Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 137 - Craigslist Phil Cheats on his Wife with Escorts

Episode Date: August 1, 2016

Craigslist Phil (episode 121) calls in again to discuss where he is at in regards to cheating on his wife. When he first called in he believed as long as he wasn't having actual sex with the women he was hooking up with, he wasn't actually cheating on his wife but things have changed. He recently started having sex with escorts and he's done it a couple of times. Where does he find the escorts? What does he exactly do with them? Is he going to continue seeing escorts? Why does he cheat on his wife in the first place. Tune in to find out plus hear a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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when you want to do it on iTunes, right? You put in your iTunes account and then it shows your name. So I totally get it. But if you could do it and you have a name that doesn't really show anything or it's not going to show your name, write me a review because reviews really help the show and I need them. so what else i'm just going to get right into who's on the call today i have on craigslist fill now craigslist fill has been on the show before one of the first the first actually the first time he was on the show

i think his title is craigslist fell i don't know the exact number um but he was on the show in the past and it was one of my favorite episodes craigslistville was fascinating to me because he was like this christian guy he's pretty religious and who was married to a woman who was very religious and totally not into sex. So he just went on to Craigslist and started hitting up women on there to do all kinds of interesting things with them. But because he wasn't having actual sex with them, he figured he wasn't really cheating. That's what he believes. I wasn't to the first podcast. It's fascinating. The stuff that he would do on Craigslist women was fascinating too. We talk a little bit about his history on this call because I assume that a lot of people

I haven't listened to the first one. But then we get into what he's doing now, which is having sex with women. That was the thing that he felt like, you know, he had never crossed that line, but he crossed that line and he wrote to me and said, hey, I want to come back on the show because I have this update.

He finally is like actually having real sex with women. And like I said, he calls in to talk all about it. So that's the update on Craigslist Phil. So we're going to, I'm just going to, we're going to. I'm really bad with grammar sometimes. I don't know if you know this. I'm sure you do.

Anyway, so I'm going to be right back on with Craigslist Bell. Do you have a story, lifestyle, or situation you can't talk about to anyone, to anyone? Or do you just want to let your freak flag fly and be on the show? Well, Strictly Anonymous wants to hear from you. Send us an email, Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com, with your story and your story. anonymous name and remember everything is strictly anonymous strictly anonymous hey Craigslistville how you doing long time no I'm good no talk yeah it has been a while hi Kathy yeah hi I feel like I mean have you been on more than once before or is this like your third time this is my third time actually I

think I came back on the second time and talked with a cousin or a friend of yours oh yeah yeah I know that was my cousin. And then the first time we had, I had my co-host Tommy, right? Right. Right. That was one of my favorite episodes. I thought like it was really good.

But anyway, I don't have a co-hosts, just me and you on the call. For people that don't know you because they haven't listened back, you know, that far, you were a guy that's married. And correct me if I'm wrong,

but I have a good memory, so I should be right. You were a guy who was married to a woman who was kind of vanilla in her sex life, right? And you had... Very. Very. Okay, very, right?

She was Christian, right? And you were, too. Like, you guys have a deep, like, religious sort of belief that keeps you from... That's what was interesting about you. You were on Craigslist looking for women, and you did all these kind of crazy things with women, as far as I was concerned, right? Yet you would never screw them, like have actual sex with them, because that, to you was where you crossed the line and that was cheating, right?

but you did do stuff like you would like it started out with like first you exchanged videos with other couples right and it was just like a virtual thing and then it sort of got to a point where you were meeting women and having giving them massages right naked massages right yeah it was right nude erotic massages and fingering and toys and that kind of stuff exactly but because you never even got blow jobs either right you didn't get blow jobs either right not for a long time right you didn't get black I got my first one recently I think I told you about that in the second call I was on I got my first blow job oh okay traveling on business right so you like started dipping your toe in like because at first it was kind of like you would massage a totally naked girl you would finger her you would do all that kind of stuff but to you and I've had other people on the show like everyone's definition of like what cheating is and where they draw the line is very different and it's different and it's So that's always like one of the most interesting things to me. Yours was, I'll massage a woman totally naked, finger her, all that stuff. But as long as she doesn't, you know, do anything to my dick, right? It's not cheating. Well, that's an interesting line because I would sort of tell myself that in my head. But on the other hand, if they wanted to touch me or do something to me, I wouldn't stop them.

So there were a few times I got hand jobs and stuff like that, which is great. but I you know my goal in my mind was you know don't cross that sex line right no sex but now and then you got a blow job right but now it's been a long time since that other call a long time went by right I don't know what you've been doing but you'll fill us in but you eventually recently have had sex so you did cross that line and you're going to fill us in okay so yeah so it has been a while and I did cross the line and I did cross the line and it didn't intend to tend to do it. It was kind of a accidental thing with the blow job, you know, which I told you guys about last time. So then moving past that, I think some of those experiences just kind of built up

a threshold that, you know, the more stuff I did, the more comfortable I got with it. And that just escalated a little bit. So I got to a point where I hadn't done anything in a while. I stopped traveling for my job. And ended up getting into a really frustrated, sexually frustrated position.

I mean, I guess I kind of digressed into your typical desperate guy, right? So I decided passively to look around and see if I could find somebody, and I had looked for a long time for like a friends with benefits kind of thing or maybe a couple who would let me join them for a threesome or something like that. And I could never find anybody local. The people I found were always in a different state, too far away. You know, really not a good option. But let me ask you this.

For a while, though, wasn't it that you weren't doing anything locally because you didn't want to get busted? But you were, like, so frustrated that you decided to sort of do that. Is that the deal? Or did you always do local stuff? No, I could never really find anybody local. It was always stuff when I was traveling for my job. Oh, okay. until last year. Okay, cool. So go on. Sorry. And part of that was, you know, because I was traveling

in the New York area. There was a lot more option. Oh, right. You know, I found swingers clubs and couples and stuff really easily, relatively speaking. So that was part of the reason why that happened. But around home, no, I couldn't really find anybody locally. There was one couple that I talked about on the first episode where I was on, and they moved out of the area. So I kind of lost them as an option. And I never did actually have sex with the life of that couple. It was more just erotic play at that point. Okay, and you're still married. Yes.

Right? You're still married, and your girl is still very, very vanilla, and she hasn't caught you yet. So now, fast forward. Yep, so fast forward. I'm in this desperate state. Decided I'm going to start looking online to see, you know, I had done a little bit of reading,

kind of looking at some options and what people recommend for, my situation. And one of the things that I read was that somebody said, well, why don't you hire an escort? Because these people are paid professionals in a sense. You know, they get this all the time. The desperate guy neglected at home. They know what to do with you.

Did it, was I the person that told you that? That would have been my advice. I don't remember. I don't remember if that's something you told me or if it's something I read online. Okay, cool. So I figured, you know what, that makes pretty good sense. and maybe that should be the way that I go about this. You know, there's stuff I want to experience that I've never gotten to experience.

And, you know, maybe I should just pay someone and have an experience. And so that's kind of what I decided. I was super nervous. My throat was in my chest. I was just really a lot of anxiety about it. Wait, let me walk me through, like, how you, where you found her, how much you paid and how that process. Like, did you go to, like, one of the high-end websites where, like, the people, post ads did you go on Craigslist for like a you know a hundred dollar hooker like what are you

what were you shopping for so my my normal method would be Craigslist the thing with that is it takes a lot of patience and a lot of posts and a lot of responses and oftentimes you don't get a reply yeah but if you're looking for a hooker like an escort you're not really you're you're emailing them right you're not sort of posting that you're looking for someone right okay so where do you go looking. Right. So, so instead of Craigslist, I found Backpage, which is kind of like a minor competitor of Craigslist. Yeah. And they have a lot of escort ads on Backpage. They do not have a lot on Craigslist. They do have some, but they're not usually very good. I once by the, page or paying. No, this is, I used to pay to advertise my podcast on Backpage as well. And I got to

tell you, I know that there's so many escorts on there. I found a guy, um, a couple guys actually from my ad on there. I didn't get that much, but I actually got a woman once who really wanted to be on the show. No, she was, but what she was, this is why I know there's a lot of escorts there. She was a madam. She ran like a high-end escort service, and she wanted to come on and talk all about it. It was like striking gold. I thought it would be so great.

And it turned out that her partner at the end of the day just didn't want to do it was very anti-in or whatever. Yeah, I was pretty bummed out because it would have been a great call. So anyway, but yeah. So, yeah, that's where you... I would love to have heard that episode. Me too. So that's where you go to find your escort. So you went to Backpage and like, where the, let me ask you this.

Were the pictures of the girls like pretty legit? Like, did you go by the picture? Is that how you chose it? Your girl. I do look at the picture because I do prefer like a more slender body type. I'm not into the BBW kind of thing, which is a lot of that. So I do, I use that as my first filter. So I find pictures of a girl that I think is attractive, and, you know, that could be anywhere from an average kind of body type to a petite, slim kind of slender body shape.

And that's kind of what I find attractive. Right. So that's, then I find the pictures. I bring up, I'm such a browser whore. I bring up all kinds of tabs and have to look through stuff. It takes me forever to do any kind of, like, research and looking around. Even for an escort when you're horny? Right. Exactly. Because I want it to see, the thing is, I'm not, it's not just that I'm desperate and I want to get off. The issue is that there's stuff I want to experience and things that I want to do and pleasure I want to give. It's not just what I want to get. It's what I want to give. And that's what's missing for me usually. I don't have that option to give someone.

Oh, right? Your wife won't even let you go down on her, right? Not usually. So, you know, I end up in a position of great frustration because I'm, you know, I'm, you know, I'm not. sort of like a sex nerd who just really wants to drive somebody wild all night long and I've never been able to do that. I think a lot. I don't think that that's like a sex nerd kind of thing. I think that's a lot of guys. I mean, you definitely get a lot of guys that are just totally selfish and they're thinking about themselves. But I think most guys have a healthy ego about it and they do really want to please a woman and they love going down. And that's like the best way to have like total control over a girl right. You could drive for fucking crazy. It's very rare that you find a woman that's like, no thanks you know right which i remember that about your girl is very bizarre yeah it is weird and i don't really know how to explain it other than you know she's just very inhibited and controlling and selfish and it's her way or the highway so i don't really have too much choice i don't pressure her i don't give her any consequences to do what i would prefer her do yeah it wouldn't work anyway i've

had other guys on the show yeah but i've had other guys on the show that have told their girls like you know, listen, I'm going to go, they still don't, you know, so what are you supposed to do at that point? You don't want to leave her, right? You want to stay married. I've talked to many men in this situation. So, you know, so you hire an escort. So who did you wind up, how much did you pay for her? Okay, so this first one, because I've done this a couple of times, and I'll explain that. But the first one that I ended up meeting was, I believe, $120. Wow, that's cheap for full-on sex. And it, yep, and it is cheap. And I realized that after looking at the pricing on some of the other ads that I've seen.

And I know that like some of the really high-end escort services are hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands of dollars for whatever you're looking for. So I got a good deal. You know, I found someone who was attractive and the price was decent for trying this out because I wasn't even sure if I'd get there and be able to go through with it. I'm pretty sure I would. but I didn't know until I was actually in that experience. Right. So I show up and the address she gave was the door over from where she really was, I guess for her own protection. I think she was sort of new to the whole escort thing. And so I walk in and she's really cute.

She has long, black, straight, beautiful, shiny hair, great skin, very petite, very slender. She had very nice breasts, probably like a 34B or C, something. something like that. She had a great body. She made me very comfortable. We talked. She reassured me. Everything was going to be okay. I told her my situation. And she was very sympathetic and seemed like she really wanted to help. She was talking to me in very sensual terms and trying to make me feel masculine and, you know, kept saying things like, you know, you need to be treated like a man and taken care of and, you know, let me help you and all this stuff. So that was really nice. because I've never been talked to like that before.

And that's a part of like what you said before is what you're paying for. Like you want that. Like you really need that as well as just the, you know, getting off. Right. Because I want to feel wanted and desired. I want to be enjoyed. And I don't want it to just be me using somebody. I want it to be, you know, a mutually enjoyable experience.

So now, don't get me wrong. I understand that these people are being paid to do this act. But I don't fully. your fantasy. It's just a part of a fantasy, right? And that's what you want. And I totally get that. Right? I don't really want it to be a fantasy, though. I want it to be real. No, no, no. I know. But that's your fantasy is that it's real. It could be real. I don't know. I'm not in that girl's head. Do you know what I mean? But your fantasy is that you want to meet this woman. You want to pay for her, but you want her to actually really like you and really enjoy you. And who knows that she could have. I'm sure plenty of these girls that get into it. like sex and if you're attractive and she has chemistry, why wouldn't she get into it?

You know what I mean? I don't know. Right. So anyway, so go on. And I think she did. And I think she did. And that made me feel pretty good. So it started out. She had me take off my clothes and she took off her clothes.

I laid down on the floor. She had kind of like a, I think she just moved into this house. There wasn't really any furniture in the bedroom. She had like a blanket laid out on the floor. So she had me lay down. No, no. They rent these. These are places where they rent.

I don't think that they live at these. I don't think they let you come to their houses. Right. Yeah, I don't think so. Sure. So she got out, she got out a condom and started to put it on me and started to suck my cock, which again,

I am kind of an experience with, so that was really nice. She said she wanted to practice her deep-throating skills on me. And she did. That's nice. You know, to be honest, though, I wasn't really into that. A lot of guys are. It may sound surprised.

No, no, no, no, that's a... But I just... So that's normal? Yeah. I would always surprise, because I could never really deep throat, and I always felt like inadequate and thought, oh, like, I could give it even a better blowjub if I could just deep throat. And guys are like, no, like most guys that I know could care less about that.

A good blowjob is never about deep-roating. It's about all these other things. Yeah, it's very common. And I have a lot of guy friends, you know, and we talk about... I'm like a guy with them. No, no, no, you're not weird at all. I always thought like you I always thought like you that that would be like

the ultimate thing you could do with a guy and I was like I want to be able to do that I can't and turns out it's not that big of a deal I mean some people might have a fetish for it but I would say the majority of guys that I know don't think it's the end all be all really that they don't really give a shit about it right I don't think it was all that great

and you know it doesn't feel particularly better than anything else and honestly I think it's more intense when there's like direct sucking on the head and that kind of stuff. Totally. Where there's, you know, tongues moving around, and it's just much more intense and direct. And the deep throating stuff, I think, is overrated. But anyway, and just kind of a note about the deep throating.

I did actually get deep-throated the first time I had a BJ last year. And that was great, but that woman, it made it great just because she was so into it and made me feel amazing because of just how sensual she was. It was a different kind of experience than this one. This one was just more of, hey, you know, let's get this condom on and get us going here. It really wasn't a sensual, like I'm really into this kind of experience. Right. And that probably, that other one by that other woman, if she didn't deep throat you, it probably would have been just as good because she was just totally into it.

You know what I'm saying? It wasn't the deep-throding that was good. I bet she was so into blowing you, right? Right. Exactly. Okay. So this girl, though, was hot and you were attracted to her, right? Right. She was very sexy, very sensual. That part was great. And this girl, the escort that I hired, was also very sexy. She had a great body, like I said, but she wasn't like as sensual. She was very reassuring and kind of encouraging on, you know, like I said, trying to help me feel like a man and, you know, do all that kind of stuff, which was great. But it was definitely a different experience than the first time. I had anything like that.

So she gets the condom on and bends over on all fours, which is one of my favorite positions that I hardly ever get to do. And so I fucked her doggy style. And as soon as I got my cock inside of her pussy, she started doing the whole thing, which makes me think it was kind of a show, but that I understand it's fine. You know, she was moaning and telling me how good it was

and what a nice cock I had. And all of that stuff, right? So, you know, you laugh and I, you know, I get it. It's kind of cliche and cheesy, but whatever. So as a first experience with sex with someone else other than my wife, it was, okay, it could have been a lot worse. And I think it went pretty well. It felt good. The view was amazing.

She had a great body again that was great to do doggy style that first time. And, you know, I don't think I lasted very long, which made me. kind of feel pathetic, but, you know, it had been a while and I don't get this kind of thing often, so I'm not beating myself up over it. Right. But, you know, it was pretty intense, and, you know, it was a quick in-and-out thing. And on the way home from that, you know, it was kind of like on Cloud 9, I was feeling good. I had a new experience, and I was kind of worried if I would feel really guilty about it.

And surprisingly, to me, anyway, I really didn't. And I think the rationale behind that is, you know, so many years, almost two decades of being neglected and ignored, I'm kind of given myself, you know, a free pass, right? You know, there's things I want to do. I don't want to be an old man full of regret. So I need to have some experiences is basically the deal. So that was the first time. And like I said, it went pretty good. And then a day or so went by and I thought, you know what, it was okay, but I don't know if I want to keep doing this.

So I thought, well, let me try it again and see if I can find somebody who's maybe more sensual and more into it. And not just a quick, you know, hello John in and out kind of deal, you know, somebody that would be a little more able to take care of me in the ways that I kind of wanted this thing to go. So I found another girl and we met the next day. Same thing in escort. It was even pretty much the same price. I think it was like 120 or 140. And that one was really close to home, which was great because that I thought to myself could be a nice option.

If she's always in the area, then I could maybe go after work or, you know, being near home was a good idea because then I wouldn't need to be out super long or, late. Wouldn't need to come up with crazy excuses or anything. I could just go and have a session and be done with it. So that girl also was pretty hot. She wasn't quite as slender as the first girl, which is fine, though. I'm not super picky about that. And she also was a little bit more sensual than the first girl and reminded me a little bit of the woman that I met the first time who actually gave me my first blow job. But it still wasn't the same. It was a little bit. It It was still like a rushed in and out, you know, let's get this over with kind of thing.

She moved with me, though. She, you know, I, it was a doggy style thing again, so I kind of just stood up on my knees, and she fucked me just sitting there for a little bit, which was kind of nice. And, you know, I don't really get that either. So that was a new experience for me. But again, you know, I come and then it's, oh, okay, you're done. Let's get out of here. It's over, which feels very empty and shallow, and I don't like that.

I would, you know, and actually I met that girl again a second time just a few weeks ago. And this time I took my time with her. I asked her if I could give her a massage. So she laid down on her stomach and I was giving her a massage on her back. And then I, you know, slipped my cock inside of her from behind and kept giving her a massage. And I tried to drag it out a little bit more. So it was a little more, you know, drawn out and enjoyable for me in terms of giving something back. but again I just keep feeling like this is not what I'm after it's empty it's not it's fake

you know and I can smell the real deal a mile away totally I want the real deal I want to be wanted so bad you want to find a real girl on Craigslist that's looking for some side action like a friends with benefit what you were always looking for in the past but a girl that at this point you want somebody that you could actually have sex with because you have found people online on Craigslist all the women that you gave you the naked massages that you were fingering that you were sending sex videos to like those were all women you found on craigslist right that's right so you want to find that girl there i would love to but my issue is i've never been able to find one locally who is interested in like a long-term

ongoing thing because i don't want to do this once and never see the person again i don't want a string of lovers you know i just want to find like one person this probably sounds crazy like a monogamous friends with benefits kind of thing but no you sound like a girl like that's how what I used to always do I know I would have like very monogamous long-term booty call like I was always a monogamous I pick one guy that I wanted to have sex with

if I was single and because I wanted you know and I would just always just screw him and I didn't care who he was with but I would want you know I wanted to know where my thing was coming from and I wanted one person right and for me it's just a matter of you know I want to get to know the person I want to actually be friends and not just you know

sex and be done and never talk you know and I want it to be like like you're like literally like that's what women that's the kind of friends with benefit that most benefits that most women are looking for and they find it very hard to find because most men don't want that I would say 99.9% of the men would never want what you're looking at so you know if you could find that girl like she'd be very lucky and then you might find five of her friends that want to jump on the bad wagon because there's a lot of girls I just want to get laid you know what I mean but they don't they they need certain things and it needs to be exactly right for women and most guys don't understand

what it is that they need and it's like what you're looking for is exactly what the girl wants so it's funny you say that because I've had a couple of girls that I've talked to from Craigslist who seem interested and then I start chatting with them about what I want and then they don't believe me and they end up being like I'm getting a weird vibe from this you know this can't be real, see ya. Yeah, because they just, exactly, because it's not, I just told you 99.9% of guys would never, it does, it's totally sounds bizarre. It doesn't sound real.

Right. They think you're going to, like, show up and, like, kill them and you're just giving, telling them what they want to hear. I know you're telling the truth because you're on my show anonymously. What do you, what's, why would you be lying? You know what I mean? But, like, those girls totally think you're full of shit. And I get, I get why they feel that way, because it's,

very not guy-like to sort of go about looking for meaning of sex the way you are. And what you're looking for. Right. And I was, yeah. And I was listening to your shows with

Sarah recently. Which one was Sarah? You know, she was looking for. That was the one that went with well-hung-will. Oh, yeah, Sarah. Well, does she live by you? I forget where she's from. And I don't really know where anyone's really from, kind of, but I'm just,

Sarah. Yeah, I don't think. anywhere nearby. Oh, okay. It's probably, you know, not an option, but, you know, she sounded like a lot like me. She reminded me a lot of what I'm looking for. And if I could find that, like she found which, well, she sort of found what she wanted it, but, you know, moved on. No, she totally didn't find what she wanted what, it wasn't ideal. She wanted long. It didn't work out. She wanted that big cock, multiple times, not just once. Yeah. So, you know, I'm stuck in that same situation. At this point I just can't find what I want and I don't want to keep paying for sex and you know I'm already

the guy whose wife doesn't want him right so I don't want to keep having to be like well you know if I want to get these kind of experiences I got to go pay for it because I can't get it you know it just makes me feel like a lame loser and that's no fun either right I totally get it I like I have a lot of guy friends right and I have like guy friends who are married that are looking for some side action and there's one in particular that I remember where he has a lot of money like a lot of cash and he's very good looking and he's but he's got a wife who he's in love with but she's like kind of nuts and she never likes have sex so he's like would always be like you know what i want i think i want like a woman who i could just like meet in a hotel room and i could like fuck her he's like but then i want

to cuddle and i want her to like tell me how great i am you know i mean and he's so it's like kind of like the same thing like he really he needs that extra stuff too you know but what you you're looking for on top of that is one person. Like you won't even, you know, you want that, like, you know, that constant sort of action. And maybe there are other guys that are like that that have a wife. You know, they just want to know where they're getting it from. They want to really believe it. Maybe you're like, I'm trying to, now that I'm thinking about it, the guy that I'm saying is, like, wants that.

He kind of wants what you want, too. So maybe it's 98% of guys are in that way. Yeah. And, you know, I'm open to a bunch of different scenarios, too. It's not just that. You know, I would love to find a couple, like the first couple I met and just never really went that far with. If I could find a cool couple that was into like the hot white for the wife sharing thing, that was perfect. Oh, you could find that.

You could find that. So locally, you just sort of live in like a vanilla area? You wouldn't think so. I live in an urban area. But the problem is online. Yeah. And when I look online, I don't really see any options. and I don't do the club and bar scene.

So for me, to try to find somebody, you know, how do you, I don't even know how to go about that. Right. I think people have affairs of people that they work with, people that, you know, it's like, it's that kind of a situation. Yeah, totally. If you can't go out to bars and stuff and, like, hook up that way. Unless you start being creepy and, like, hitting on girls in, like, coffee shops and stuff, I can't stand that. Like, I just need to tell all my listeners, if you're a guy, like, just don't, go hit on girls like in broad daylight on the street or in a comment.

I find that really irritating and I just think that it's creepy and weird. No, I wouldn't do that. That is creepy. Guys do do it though. They're like, I don't know. It's so weird. So yeah, but I feel like I need to apologize.

Why? I feel like I need to apologize for other guys' behavior all the time because honestly, I get why women are so cautious and jaded about men sometimes because they really are pathetic, desperate losers. and I get it. I totally get it. It's just frustrating because, you know, they ruin it for the rest of us. So here I am.

I'm a legitimate, genuine person trying to find something. I think there are people out there who would want, but getting connected with them is the problem. Yeah, but yeah, but it's not because other guys are douchebags. It's that you can't go out to bars. You're not single. If you were single and you were out in the field and you're halfway good looking, what are you on a scale of one to ten? I forgot.

What was that? What are you on scale of one to ten? 10 looks wise again, I forget. I'd say like a seven and a half, maybe an eight. Okay. So you're a decent, solid looking guy, right? So you can walk in a bar and pick up some checks, okay? You would have no problem doing it.

It's not like the state of affairs that's keeping you from finding this. It's your situation. It's the fact that you're married. It's the fact that you can't go out at night. It's the fact that, like, you know, you're correct. So where else are you going to look? You could, but this is too risky. Like the problem is, like, you can't go.

on a regular dating site even like even that like because something i would say you could do that people that's where people pick up people all the time but your wife her friends your cousins your mom's sisters brothers aunt like you don't know who the fuck is on there that knows you and it's going to see your face like so you can't do that either so you are kind of screwed you know i am yeah that's been my experience for sure but you have because i know that we discussed this and via email that you wanted to talk about like how you've been successful on craigslist getting women right you have found women in the past I mean if only

you met those girls now because in the past those you did get girls to like totally get it on with you and that's very rare I'm always talking about how you can't find women on Craigslist to like do that kind of shit with you and you did you got multiple women to literally strange women that don't like you were total strangers to them to come over meet you at a hotel get totally naked and have you give them a massage and finger them Like normally people pay for that.

It's called a happy ending. You know what I mean? Right. You were doing it the opposite and you were finding real women that were into it. Right. And I think the reason that they were so open to it. Yeah. Well, because I think it's the area because.

Oh, right. You found this people traveling. New York, right? So yeah, it was all while traveling. You know, I was in different places, all over the place, you know, going to areas where they just have more people that are looking online. And I guess because I'm kind of in the South and there's really not as many people online, even though it's crazy because I live in a big multi-university city area.

But, you know, I just can't find anybody that wants what I want locally. Most couples just want another girl. And most of the girls are not looking online for what they want. Right, totally. Tough. Yeah, what about adult friend finders? I used to advertise them there all the time. I just got off of that for some reason.

Because it's not hard for me to find people anymore. Like I have a lot of people emailing me directly. So I don't really need it. But I used to be on there. And there's a lot of like if, you know, all the freaky people that are into like, like, like stuff that's a little bit more hardcore. Like the couples that would want a guy. You know what I mean? Like those people are on adult friend fighters.

Do you ever try that? I did try them. I did try them a couple years ago. And I paid for an account several times. And I kept an account there for probably over a year. And I did chat with a few people there, but honestly, there weren't very many people local. There were maybe 100 local listings. Oh, that's not a lot.

Right. And most of those people, I mean, they never really logged in. They didn't respond. Yeah, totally, totally. It was just a huge, you know, money pit, and I just gave up on that. Okay, but is there a place six? Yeah. Sorry, you say, go on what you were going to say something where you were successful?

Well, I do, yeah, I do have a little bit of success with an app called Whisper, where you can post anonymous things and other people can respond and you can chat and that kind of stuff. And I do end up meeting some girls on there and we'll chat for a little bit, maybe exchange some pictures. But most of the time, again, they're not local. They're from other states. So I keep an eye on like the local thing there. If somebody's posting something like, hey, I'm looking for an FWB or, you know, talking about threesomes or something and I'll post some ads there and occasionally chat with someone. but again, it's more of a local issue.

There's really nobody around my area. So when you go on Craigslist in your area, do you put ads yourself as well as look at ads from women? Do you do both? I do. And when I use Craigslist, that's the only way it really works. Because for a guy who's looking for something, you have to, number one, be more than just a one line.

Hey, how you doing? Are you there? Are you still looking? That's lame. Nobody responds to that. So I'm kind of a word. and will respond in detail and tell people about myself, send some sample photos that are not obscene. You know, I'm not the dick-pick guy.

You know, I don't do that. And, you know, just trying to help them get to know me and what I'm looking for. And then if I'm responding to their ad, I'll kind of comment about what they said and hope that they respond. Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't. Right. But it takes a lot of patience. I post ads hardly ever get a response except for scams and spammers.

Right. But usually the responses I get are from when someone else post something and then I reply to them because I'm probably one of the very few guys who's actually sending them a complete sentence that actually helps them understand who I am and what I'm looking for and probably proves that I'm not just some scam or free. Totally same thing. Right. Exactly. Same thing's happening. Yeah, same thing's happening in their inbox too as well as I think a lot of the times. or they're just getting like real creepy

creepsters that maybe would murder them. I don't know. I'd be a little nervous to go on Craigslist to find a guy. Yeah, and the funny thing is I've had guys that respond to my ads and post some whisper and stuff like that who are like, dude, you should try this. You know, try OKCupid and try blah, blah, blah. And, you know, I'm like, ah, but that's one more thing

I have to sign up for and I have to remember the profiles I made and passwords and, you know, it just gets to be a little out of control. Yeah, but OKCupid, first of all, is free. So it's very easy. You don't have to put right much on that website. I actually liked it. I was on there for like a second. Yeah, I tried it.

And again, nobody local. But how could you do that locally? Are you afraid to put, or do you not put your picture up until you start talking to somebody? Like, how can you put your picture up locally? Yeah, I wouldn't put my picture up until recently. And then I started to do that when I tried some of these apps like, OK, Cupid and stuff like that. You did? In your local tab?

Yeah, I did. Kind of stupid, but. Yeah, I'm going to call you crazy, Phil, crazy Craigslist, Phil, because you're like looking to get divorced, okay? Because how, doesn't your wife have friends, a family? Like, are you out of your mind? Well, it's kind of a, it's a unique social bubble. I don't think that there's really any risk of that. You're wrong.

You know, you can happen. You're so wrong. You're crazy. You to put your face as a married man on a, like a website dating a regular vanilla website in your local area looking with your pick is crazy i i highly don't recommend that well i did take some security precautions with that usually when i would go ahead and put a face picture on there it would be something where i was in sunglasses and not super obviously recognizable oh my god you're i don't remember anyone that

knows you knows you in sunglasses i wear sunglasses all the time and my baby knows it exactly who I am, okay? It doesn't move. Sunglasses. Well, but I also made it, though, so that you had to be a member and logged in to see it. It doesn't matter. Everybody's a member. Everyone's a member now.

It's free. It's free. I'm just telling you, it's not the smartest thing. You're not on it anymore. Are you, like, listen, I just can ask you this question, that you could just answer me yes or no. Is there any part of you, even 1% that wishes that you could just, like, leave your wife and like have a new life.

Yes, definitely. Well, that's the part of you that posted yourself on OgeCupid. That little naughty part of you that wishes your whole marriage would be sabotaged and you could just get the fuck out, okay? Maybe you're like, your dick

is like that's your dick talking, okay? Because that is just like welcoming, you know, a major problem. You know, and maybe, listen, sometimes that's what I think that's like a subconscious thing that you did because anybody that was 150% like I'm never leaving my wife like what would never put their face on a on a dating website in their local area do you know what I mean I know it wasn't a smart move

and I don't leave it up long and I took it down pretty quick right I don't think anybody saw it and nobody said anything no obviously not I understand what you're saying you got away with yeah I think it's a little deeper than that I don't think it was just done I think it was some part of you that wishes it could get out. Do you know what I mean? And we all have like different parts of ourselves. It is. It totally is. And I don't think she would leave me.

So part of me wonders, you know, maybe if something like that happened and I got discovered, maybe that would be the motivation needed to really kick some button, get some things moving or changed. I don't know. Right. That maybe she'd let you go down on her. Like what's your guy? What's her, so she's just like super vanilla. Like do you think I would.

I wish like we could get her on the phone. Because what if she has this secret life where she's doing all this crazy sex stuff behind your back? What are the odds? I wish. I know. You do, right? It's so weird.

I wish. But she literally. She'd make a great nun. Seriously. It's bad. I mean, no sexy slang terms, no sex talks, no. But does she ever, okay, does she have orgasms when you fool around? Well, that's the thing.

she is fairly easily orgasmic. I mean, I can get her to come in like two minutes from either hands or mouth and, you know, on the rare occasion she'll let me go down on her. And it's not long, it's not hard, but she just never wants it. She has no desire. She doesn't do foreplay, you know.

Let me ask you this question. Is she on the pill? Nope. She used to be about 10 years ago, but it hasn't been in quite a long time. Okay, because a lot of times, the pill, these poor guys, they put their girls on the pill

and they don't understand it's like the worst thing you could do. Girls get, they've become mental patients, they don't want to have sex, they don't like, you know, they cry for no reason. And it's like the pill, get them off the pill. Like it's not good. Yeah, I've read about that. Especially when they're younger. Yeah. Right.

You know, it can affect people. You know, we've gotten off of it. Okay. So. I was hoping it would make a difference, but it really didn't. Yeah, it's interesting. I wonder what her problem is. Do you think she's like kind of repressed because of the religion? It could be. I think she's very repressed and very, um,

damaged from the upbringing she had. It's just a really hard to describe situation. But the thing is, I get it. I understand why she is the way she is. So I'm a compassionate guy. I don't want to just leave her and send her back to that life. I get it. And I sympathize, but on the other hand,

is driving me nuts and I can't, this is not sustainable. Yeah, no, not at all. Because what you're really, like eventually you're going to start looking for another wife. Like, you know, every time you're looking for more and more, right? basically what you're doing is looking for someone to replace her. And maybe if you found that person and you really like it, maybe you would. I don't know.

And would that necessarily be a terrible thing? I don't know. Maybe it would be good for both of you. Who knows? You know what I mean? I don't think just be able to people get divorced. It's a bad thing. Yeah.

And I used to be a really possessive guy. I mean, I was the, you know, one woman, you know, your mind, that kind of thing years and years ago. And, you know, at this point, after what I've been through, I'm, like, totally open to wife sharing. And like if I could, I would totally let other guys fuck her. I would, you know, be into couple swapping and swinging and all that stuff. I've totally gotten over that because of the way that she's treated me sexually.

So do you think it's that you feel that way because do you think, okay, let me ask you this, though. You think you feel that way because you're not into her? Is that what you mean? Or because you're so frustrated that it opened you up so much sexually and made you become so much more open that you'd be open to it? or did you just say it's because you don't like her anymore enough to really give a shit? It's probably most of the first two and maybe a tiny bit of the last because I do care. You know, I choose to stay in this situation and I do like my life that I have with her except for the sexual part. But at this point, I mean, it's just like I think that just being neglected and being desperate and ignored has just made me bitter and resentful.

And I just, at this point, I really don't care, you know. I do care, but I don't care if that makes any sense. Of course, you care about the life that you have. You have a history there. You care about all that. It's like it would maybe be like you would say that phrase, like I love her, but I don't like her. Right. You know, because it's like a-

Right, exactly. That kind of a thing. I mean, how long have you guys been together for? Almost 20 years. Oh, my God. How old are you and how old is she again? I don't remember for some reason. Mid-30s.

Right. Is there any way she's going through like perimenopause early or something? Like is she mid 30s like 35 or she mid 30s like 37? 36. Oh, she's 36. She, something's going on with her unless she's repressed. But it's like if she was repressed, I would feel like she wouldn't even be able to orgasm. The fact that she could orgasm. It's all in her head. Yeah. It's weird though that like she can orgasm and she knows how great it is, right? And she could do that fast. Yet she doesn't choose to do that. Oh, yeah. I remember.

Now I remember. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if I could squirt, I'd be squirting all the time. I can't. There's no much potential. I'm not even kidding. She's got a lot of potential.

I kind of hope I'm around still when she does come around and embraces her sexuality because I'd love to see it. Do you think that like, do you think that maybe she like has like a, like in her own mind, maybe she like jerks off and like pleasures herself secretly and sort of. of let's loose that way because I mean how could you know how good sex is and how good an orgasm feels because it really is like amazing

right how could you know that and not be really interested in the fact that she comes really easily do you think maybe she does like a lot of like maybe she's really into masturbating and that's the only way she feels free I wish no but she would do it privately can you put up cameras look at your browser look at her browser history have you ever we talked about it yeah and maybe that's one

something I should do sometime, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case. And the reason being is we talked a lot about that early on in our relationship. And she would never masturbate. Yeah, but she might never tell you that. Okay, let me ask you this. Craigslist, I'll just wait. Hold on. I have a point to make.

If I was talking to her, okay? And I said to her, like, you know, if you don't screw your husband, he might go on Craigslist and start massaging women and finger them. And then he might actually buy a hooker. Like, what would she say? I'm sure she'd say the same thing. Like, no, I know him. Like, he would never do that.

Like, I just think that, like, you know what I mean? Like, he's not cheating on me. But, like, some people are secretive. I, that's what my whole show is about, okay? Like, I had a guy recently that was stealing cucumbers from his refrigerator and shoving them up his ass while his wife was in the other room. No, it's fine. It's like, that's what people are doing.

People just regular people or, like, getting themselves off secretly and privately, because they feel uncomfortable and they're, quote, unquote, repressed for, you know, sometimes it's they're repressed because, like, for him he wasn't repressed. It was just that, like, he's sort of like this, the stuff that he didn't feel comfortable telling his wife about, right? Maybe somebody didn't want to know that he liked anal stuff, you know? But then there's somebody like your girl that might really have thoughts about sex that she was really into, but she can never express them. So she does it secretly.

I have people like this on my show all the time. You just don't know. Well, I wish that that was the case, but I'm very, very convinced it's not because I've tried to enable her to do that. I've begged her to do it. I've written her letters about it. I've bought her toys to help her do it. She won't do toys. She might only be able to let herself be free and go to those places alone.

That's all I'm saying. I know she doesn't want to do it with you. I know that. Okay, that's not what I'm like saying. No, she doesn't want to do it at all. Like, she has guilt and shame and the programming. I don't know. Do a little investigation.

Do it a little bit. Start looking at her browser history. Like, I don't know. Try to find out. I'm hoping she has a freak flag for your favor here. I'm just trying to find hope in your situation, okay? There is a possibility, Phil. Okay, I'm just telling you.

You just don't know. And I only say this because I've had so many people call up my show that are doing these secret things. And I just, you know, so I find it really hard to believe that somebody wouldn't. But I think if, listen, if it's going to be anyone, it's going to be a woman over a man. Like if it was a man, I'd be like no fucking way. He's definitely jerking off in the other room. Right. I think about shit, right?

But a woman, like, you know, I've had girlfriends that like have sort of said stuff like that and were really repressed. and I really believe them too. But I just, I always have that part of me that thinks like there's no way. And that's probably a projection because I've always liked sex. And I could never imagine not living out my stuff in real life. And if I didn't want to do it in real life, the stuff that I wasn't ever comfortable doing in real life, I would think about it on my own and get off, you know. So I can't imagine that somebody else would do it.

But like I said, that might just be a projection. But I think that there is a chance you don't know, okay, that. This girl. I can accept that. Yeah, and she could never let you know about it because it would literally like it would, you know, because she's like probably in denial about it. There could be a chance. I don't know.

Well, she has. Well, let me tell you. She has. She's written, you know, like I've encouraged her to do it. I told her it turns me on and I'd love to watch her do it. And I said, even if that doesn't happen, please do it yourself anytime you want. I don't care. I want you to do it.

And, you know, there have been a couple of times. over, you know, almost 20 years that she said, hey, I just want to let you know. I was thinking about us today and, you know, whatever her little innocent terms for describing it were, like, you know, I started touching myself or something generic and, you know, clinical. Right.

So she has done it and she has told me. Yeah, but she's telling. Okay. Yeah, of course, because those are the times she jerked off and thought about you, okay? Maybe there's a hundred times that she's jerked off and thought about crazy things. things, maybe a black man, maybe a woman, maybe a fucking goat.

I don't know. You just don't know. Okay? So like, that's all I'm saying. I know. I get it. I get it. I get it.

I mean, that's such a waste of jerking off. Like, why don't you just go get the real thing? You're in the other room, okay? Jerking off is for shit that you can't do in real life. That's how I feel. Like, I mean, what a waste of a fucking jerk off session. You know what I mean? Like, what is she thinking about you for?

That's so lame. But maybe that's where she started out. But I just think that she might be thinking of other. naughty things that she could never tell you, okay? You just don't know. And I say this because you can have 136 people on my show at this point now. You're the 136 episode, okay, if I air this. Well, and that's why I say she has so much potential because she told me she had an

experience as a kid with another girl that was sort of sexual in nature where there might have been some touching and whatever going on. And she was just in tears and felt so guilty and repressed about it. I mean, I just don't think this is the personality type that's going to go and have all these secret things going on. Well, if she was going to do it, it would be secret. If she was going to, I just feel like she would. It would be secret because, listen, look at how repressed you are like in your life. Like when you're repressed, it still boils over.

Like you, for a long time, we're very anti-like having sex with somebody, but you eventually did it because you got so frustrated. Don't you think like every now and then she gets so horny that she jerks off and probably thinks about that? that girl that she fooled around with and fucking loves it, and then she feels terrible about it and praise to God and goes to sleep. Like, you just, I'm sure that happens. It's possible. Yeah, I would love that if that was the case.

Yeah, you got to, like, I wish you had. Do you have any, do you have, like, any baby monitors left over in the closet that you could put up and, like, stalker? I mean, I don't know. Like, and find out, I only want you to do that. I would never do that to somebody, and I wouldn't even think it's for you to do it. I want you to do that for me for the show. I want to know if I'm, you know what I mean?

Like I don't, I don't, I'm not saying you should do that as her husband. I want you to do it for the show and I want you to call me and tell me that I'm right. Because I just have this feeling that you just don't know. Maybe she's secretly gay and she's just, it could never face that. Do you know what I mean? Well, I think that's part of it. She's at least got like some bi curiosity going on there. I mean, if she had experiences as a kid and feels bad about it, there's obvious,

and, you know, scientifically there's a normal level of same-sex attraction. anyway. Totally. So come on. I mean, she just beats herself up over any kind of sexual desire and is afraid to embrace it. Right. So I get it and I understand and that's fine,

but I would really love to see some progress and not just excuses. Right. And listen, for the sake of this podcast and for the sake of, you know, where you're at and what you're going through, it doesn't matter if she's jerking off and thinking about all these naughty things because she's doing it privately and you're not included. And so it doesn't change your situation, right? So who cares? Right.

I just want to know from my own thing. And that's the funny thing, too. Like, I'm open to all the wife sharing stuff and, you know, have another guy's fucker. And if that was the case and she was doing something without me, I wouldn't mind except in the one specific scenario of this. If she was doing stuff, she wouldn't do with me with someone else. That would hurt. Right, right. I don't think I would, you know, I would not think that she's out there doing like what you're doing with other.

people. I think if anything, if anything, she is doing it with herself and her, in the farthest part of her mind, you know, when no one's around and, you know, who knows, you know, I would, there's no way she's doing it with other people. And you have a long way to go to think that she's going to start swinging with you. This is a woman. Oh, yeah, I know. That's a delusion. Yeah, I can't even like, you know, I mean, maybe if she ever like bursted her bubble and like came on the other side, she would be more like you, you know, which is like, because you're such a, like, even the way you talk and everything, like, I feel like you seem so proper and so vanilla yourself, right? Yet you're so open-minded and into a lot of different things sexually that a lot of maybe

regular people wouldn't be, you know what I mean? And you seem like probably the type that wouldn't. So maybe she's the same way. And I don't know, but I think that it's, you know, you're not sort of Matt, like in life, if you guys were like on a path, you know, you're like way ahead of her. She's, and I don't know that she's ever going to catch up with you on that path. Do you know what I mean? Right. Because she's got some issues and you don't have them. And you are like going full, like you keep going forward on that path.

And she's just like in the same place, you know? Right. And that could be a problem down the line. You know, you've been with her for 20 years. How old are you guys? Oh, you're mid 30s. Right? Yeah.

And let me ask you this. And that's my worry is, you know, once the kids grow up and move out, then what? Then you guys could leave each other or you could become swingers. I mean, because probably if that's not going to happen, you're going to leave her. I think you might leave her if, like, you ever found somebody that you were really compatible with, that you really liked as a person that was, like, really into sex. And I think if you found that and you realize how great that could be, and maybe your kids were, little older and you didn't feel like you were going to ruin their lives. Like, why wouldn't you

leave? That's what I'm thinking, yeah. You know what I mean? I mean? Why not? Why is life meant, listen, I believe in men. I think it's great when people are committed and there's something to say in that. And especially when you have kids, you know what I mean? And I think it's, you know, but I think it's difficult. But I also think that when people get divorced, it's so weird how everyone thinks divorce is such like a terrible thing. You know, sometimes it's like not everybody's meant to stay in each other's lives for their whole life. Like even if you guys parted ways tomorrow, you were together for 20 years.

It's a really long time. And that's something to be proud of. Right. Sometimes people go in different directions. It's very rare, I think, personally, that you're going to find one person, you know, to walk in the same path with you and stay at the same place and always be on the same page for your whole life.

And I think that's what it should be. So, you know, maybe in 10 more years, you, there won't be any kind of, coming back and you will go and divorce her. And that's not a bad thing. That'll be okay. You'll have a whole new life, you know. And her too.

Sure. Her too. Maybe she'll go date a lesbian. Like, you don't know. Like, we don't know, you know, what could be. And, you know, time will tell. Yeah, that's true. So what would you suggest for me then?

And what's your advice for my situation right now? Okay. Right now, I'll tell you. For sure, you have to make a decision. If you don't want to leave her anytime soon, okay, you have to be much safer. You have to figure that out first because I believe, and I've said this before my podcast, like if you start like, it's like I'll give you the example of like a job. You know, most people that like get fired from their job, like they were talking about hating

their job for a long time. And it's like you'd like attract it to yourself when you start putting that out there, right? So if you're thinking a lot about like you just wish you'd leave her and then you're doing this shit and like you could have a really bad situation because i think that if you're going to leave your wife and your kids you want to leave it with your head held up high five or ten years from now because the marriage isn't working you don't want to leave it because you're doing like crazy things on craigslist like your wife would be horrified your children like forget about it it would be very bad oh yeah do you know what i mean right so you have to so i really

believe that if you have a hundred percent committed to staying with your wife and you get in that mindset, you could do your business and you're not going to get caught. But if there's a little part of yourself that keeps thinking that you resent her, and, you know, you might wind up sabotage. That's what sabotage is all about because that part of you, like I said, will be naughty and will do things to kind of fuck you up. So first you need to get your head on straight. Okay, you need to figure out what you want to do. You need to say, okay, I'm staying in this relationship and I'm going to do it because I'm gonna, that's it, right? And forget about your resentment with her and everything.

And you're gonna go get what she doesn't give you with is just sex on the side. Okay? You figure that out. Or you still don't know and you still, and you know, and you might be calling me up six months from now because your wife found out. And that'll make a great podcast. But if you don't want that podcast, okay?

And you want the next podcast to be like you found the greatest like girl who just fuck you, you know, who's married. I think you just got to keep doing what you're doing. And eventually you will find somebody. I think that the hookers are okay. Listen, I think if you use the same one and maybe you found the right one, there could be a friendship that develops. You know how many emails I've gotten off of Craigslist from guys who, I mean, it never goes really well. And it's probably not the best person to have a booty call with.

But like how many guys have told me that they were sleeping with that they were hiring an escort and then they started dating them? Like it happens a lot of the times because a guy will use the same girl. and they do wind up becoming friends. And they do have something a little bit more real. Like it does happen. You know, a lot of times, though, I get emails from these guys and they tell me that there's,

like, a lot of drama there. But, you know, maybe because you're not the drama guy that you might wind up finding that one, like, escort out there that's like a normal girl that's, like doing this because

she's a little fucked up, right? And then you start talking to her and you're like a really nice guy. And maybe she winds up feeling safe with you and she starts opening up, you know, if you use the same one. Yeah. You know, and then you could get a little bit more of what you want,

and then eventually she stops charging you because you don't want to keep paying for that, right? No, I don't have that in my budget. No, I think in the meantime, so you don't, like, get so frustrated and you hate your wife, I think you should continue with the escorts, but try to find one. When you're looking at the pictures, that looks like she would be somebody that not only you'd want to fuck, but that you'd want to go out and have a cup of coffee with. You know what I mean? Fine. Look at that.

Yeah. Right? Look for like a nice girl that you feel like you would be friends with, you know? And then you want to fucker. And then give that a couple more tries. The other thing I would say is, you know, keep posting on Craigs and keep looking because, listen, I go on there all the time, right, in the same places. And I'm always finding new people.

It happens all the time. You just have to keep at it. Sure. You know, and in the meantime, what you could maybe do is have some virtual stuff. You have the hook. You know, you have to, like, do what you have to do to get yourself off, right? Do the escort thing. Yeah, sure.

We do the virtual thing. And that's it. You know, you're not, like, there's a lot, there's not a lot of options. You did adult friend finders, and I would say that a lot of people told me that they don't find real people on there. I think Craigslist is the best bet. Listen, I've had women on my show that have gone out and did shit on Craigslist. Like, I found plenty of women on Craigslist. Like, a couple of my women.

So there are women out there, you know. It's just like, like they say with men, like you just have to, it's what they're like cabs. You just have to be there when their light goes on. It's like that's what you need for your girl. You know what I mean? You need to be there when that girl posts that ad, when that person that's going to be right for you. And I think that there's no reason why you can't find that, you know, eventually. It just takes some time.

It takes time for everyone. What you're looking for is like when someone's looking for the one. You know, it's harder to find than just like, you know, it's harder to find than just like, the easy thing, you know, because it's something long-lasting, it's something that's really perfect. Those things are always a little bit harder to find. Sure. And if you ever hear from anyone in like the Florida area, I'm sure you could hook me up, right? Oh no, let's, I, no, but wait, okay, do you want to give a little shout out? Where do you want to give up where you live? Like, are you South Florida? Yeah, like South Florida, Central South Florida.

Okay, so Central South Florida, listen, you know, people talk, make jokes about Florida all the time. there's so many crazy women there. Okay, like you should be able to find out. Okay, so listen to up Florida. There's a guy, okay, in Florida named Craigslist Phil. He might tell you his real name. I don't even know his real name, okay? But he is like the best friends with benefit around.

Like, right? Like, give your pitch to tell them what you're looking for. And then they could email me and I'll put them in touch with you. What would be your ideal? Let's do this before we wrap up. Like, what is the idea? woman that you're looking for. So my ideal would be like a split.

Like I said, I am interested in like the couple thing. So if there was a couple that wanted to do the hot wife scenario and wanted just one guy who was clean and reliable and, you know, a regular thing, that would be totally awesome. And, you know, if it was just a girl, same kind of thing, just some like a friends with benefits where it's not just, you know, meet one. No, no, no. What I mean with the girl is like, are you looking for someone? Because listen, there might be some like milts that are like 45 that are like married that they're, you know, they stay with their husband, but they want some, a piece of ass on the side, you know, like, are you open to that? Like, what would be your ideal thing? Do you want a woman who's around your age because you want to be friends with her?

Like, what are you looking for like that? Well, I think my literal idea would be somebody in a similar situation, maybe like a, you know, a married woman who's not satisfied or something. Because I kind of, I would like to help somebody. If I'm going to do this and explore, it would be kind of cool to be. be able to help someone else in a similar situation. Yeah, and I realize that's probably a little tricky too. No, it's not tricky. That's most likely where, that's what Ashley Madison was all about.

That's like what most likely you're going to find because any other girl that's totally single is going to start liking you and then put pressure on you to leave your wife. Okay, a woman who's married and taken as well is never going to give you that pressure. So that's really what you should be looking for. So that's a good thing. Yeah, I didn't think of that. So someone married, that's maybe unhoused. That's maybe unhappy that's looking for a relationship.

That's like maybe looking for a guy that's a seven. She's got to be slender. You like skinnier girls? Right? Yeah. I mean, I'm not super picky. Like, I don't like bone skinny girls. But, you know, I don't want a BVW either.

Okay, cool. No offense to the BVWs out there. But, you know. Right, but you want to be binogamous. You want to be with that person. You're not looking to leave your wipe anytime soon, but you're looking for a regular kind of scenario where you could have sex with this person. and you're really into pleasing your girl.

Right. Yeah, somebody who was, you know, adventurous and open-minded and wasn't going to be all inhibited in vanilla, somebody to help me explore and share some first-time experiences. I mean, I think I have a lot to offer in some of these areas, and I'll do anything. I mean, they can do anything to me. You know what?

You want to peg a guy? Hey, I'm open to trying it. I mean, seriously. That's fucking in the ass, right? Yeah. I would try anything. I just want to explore and have some of it. experiences with someone who will enjoy that. Okay, great. So when you say, so, okay, so South Florida

in the South Florida, South or Central Florida, which one? Or is it close together? Kind of close together. Okay, so they could be either in South Florida or Central Florida. It would work for you, right? Yeah. Okay. So if there's any married women out there looking for some side action, I think Craig Lewisville is like a safe kind of guy. You know you're not going to be chopped up and thrown in the gut or someplace like you know I think definitely not right and uh you might find a nice a good friend and while you're at it right it would be awesome yeah thank you Kathy yeah thank you no thank you for the update and I can't wait to uh for our four if things come in three so you have your third podcast so once we do another one you're going to do six so you know the next podcast I hope it's

that you you know you found that relationship but not that you got busted and your wife left you and everything's horrible. Stay safe. I hope so. That would be awesome. Be smart. Yeah. Oh, totally.

I'm trying. Okay, good luck. And I'll keep you posted if I hear from anybody, any girls. Great. Thanks so much. Bye, Phil. Bye.

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