Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1378 - Andy is a Professional Cheater Who's Been Cheating Throughout his Whole Marriage

Episode Date: February 24, 2026

Andy is a professional cheater and he’s been cheating throughout his first marriage and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including the first time he cheated and what went down, his affair with his college professor and how and why that ended, where he met most of the women in the beginning, his sex life with his wife and how he’s tried to make it better, where he does all his cheating, how most of the women he cheats with are married as well, the reasons the married women are cheating, the apps he uses now to find women to cheat with, his hook up with his fave porn star and what went down, his trip to Fetish Con and what went down there, the TV news reporter he hooked up with, the one time he went against his rules and cheated in his house, how he feels about his cheating, where he hides all his stuff and why he might wnat t move it all plus a whole lot more. GET A COPY OF THE STRICTLY ANONYMOUS BOOK! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY HERE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To see HOT pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712   Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show." Want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. All voices are changed.   Sponsors: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beducate.me/pd2540-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠— Click here to take the quiz and  get your personalized roadmap to sexual happiness ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠PikaVibe.com/Strictly⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Click to get $15 OFF your purchase ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Get 10% OFF your first month of Bluechew GOLD! Use code: STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.quince.com/strictlyanon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — For premium quality Quince clothing plus FREE shipping and 365 day returns! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://LoadBoost.com⁠ — To get 10% off LOAD BOOST by VB Health use code: STRICTLY Follow me! Instagram  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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the cheating he has done for a very long time he's been married for a very long time you know probably about five years into it he said he started cheating there's a college professor story there's porn star stories there's hot wife who has been on my show stories. There's, you know, there's a lot of fucking stories that he has. And he just also talks a lot about, you know, the rules that he has when it comes to cheating, the times that he's broken those rules. We talk about where he hides his shit, how he keeps it from his wife, how and why he's never been caught. He talks about, you know, the affairs that became a little messy. He talks about in the beginning where he got his girls from. He is definitely living out

his kinks with the women that he meets up with. Of course, we discuss why he. He's cheating on his wife and what goes on at home in the bedroom. It's not ideal. He talks about that. And he talks about all the things that he's, like, doing with all these other women that he's cheating on his wife with. We do end with, like, where he's hiding his stuff. And I'm like, you better fucking hide it better. I don't know.

You've heard on my intros, rehide your whips and chains. I'm like, rehide your fucking shit. But he's a professional cheater. He doesn't really feel that bad about what he's doing. And not in a way that he sounds. that he comes across as like rude, but in a way that, you know, he explains how and why he feels the way he does about cheating. We also talk about like how and why most of the women that he's hooking up with are all married and why they're cheating on their husbands, you know, because he's got

the inside scoopage because most of the women that he's with are married as well and are cheating as well. So it's a really interesting story if you want to get in the mind of a cheater, which I always think is interesting. So I'm going to get right to be right back on with Andy. Hey, Andy. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. How are you today? I'm great. It's good to be on with you. It's good to have you on. Listen, I love a cheater story. I don't know why. I mean, listen, I do believe that, you know, cheater stories are super great because people could, like, learn from them. And I do believe there's like a scale, right? Where you have like a philander on one side and then the guy who's been in a sexless marriage for, you know, 15 years and finally cheats on the other end, right? You emailed me and said, you are like a chronic cheater. You have cheated with everybody, people in the media. people in the porn business. You know, I think you fucked Cindy wife.

One of my guests who's super hot, okay? People should go look at Cindy wife. Okay, she was on my show. She is hot. She is the one to turn me onto your podcast, in fact. So I was, you know, as soon as I saw, I'm like, wait a minute, here is a meeting of the minds, certainly. So I had to reach out to you.

Oh, my God. I mean, so I don't know, like, you know, listen, like I said, there's so many different variations of cheaters that I do, like I said, like having them on because sometimes you can learn from them. Like, you know, I don't know. sometimes it's just an interesting story of how some people roll, you know. So let's get your story, Andy. Are you currently married and still cheating at this point?

Yes, I'm not still still. Well, you know, you never know. You never know. A chronic cheater could be caught and dumped. You know what I mean? You don't know. I was really fortunate many, many years ago. And then I had a mentor, a former, you can believe it, a former college professor of mine,

who sort of became my guru in the ways of, of he'd, And I decided a very long time ago to be in control of my own sexual happiness. And so that's, and so with the advice of my college advisor, someone who was the keeper of most, if not all of my secrets, I sort of went about my merry way. Meaning what about cheating behind your wife's back, but you've never been caught. I've never been caught. I mean, there have been a couple of close calls.

Operational security is everything. Yeah, we'll get to that. Yeah. The problem with rules, of course, is the rules occasionally are meant to get broken. So I've really tried to hold fast to the rules that I have. Some of it has to do with never cheating at home and never cheating in your hometown and never cheating with anybody who's part of your set. Don't cheat with people.

You know, your kids go to school with that kind of stuff. Right. But occasionally you've broken those rules? we'll get your whole next story so yeah every once in a while I've broken they broke in those rules in a variety of capacities many many years ago and then we're going to get to your whole story but I'm going to say this really quick and I'm going to try and find the link to this article many many years ago there was like this amazing article and I forget if it was in GQ it was in some men's magazine and it was written by a guy who was a cheater like you and he had all these rules

and he talked about why he cheats how he does it the rules he has how he's been successful And it was like a really interesting article. And he had a lot of those rules, but I don't think he broke any of them. You're a little bit more, you know, off the rails than him, which is super interesting for my show, you know. So anyway, let's get, okay, so you're married. How long are you married to your wife for? Just over 25 years. Wow.

Okay. And have you been cheating the whole time or it started with this college professor? Like, when did it start? Like, I don't know. Just about the entire time. I mean, here's the thing. I didn't really come into my own until I was. was in my early 30s and I sort of, I'd lost weight and I'd gotten a lot of confidence and was

no longer sort of being friend zoned by a lot of women that I was attracted to. I mean, the real, the struggle that broke the camel's back was that I went to a high school reunion and I ran into my high school ex-girlfriend. And it was very clear that there were still sparks there. And nothing happened at the reunion. And it was almost a year later where she and I were emailing with each other. And, you know, I was sort of just, we were clearly flirting. And I said, well, I think we could get together and have dinner without anything bad happening. And she said, well, I don't think that that's the case. And so it was like, okay, that was a really clear sign. And so I think it was two weeks later, I was, she lived in a different state than me. I made a quote unquote

business trip to her state and wound up spending the evening, well, the two of us spent the evening fucking each other. And so, you know, that sort of, that, that unsealed the dam. Okay. Well, what, what high school reunion was that? Like, how much into your marriage was that first time? How long into your marriage? Well, that's a good question. So let's say that it was, it was my 15-year high school reunion, so I was probably four or five years into my marriage. Okay. Now, before. And hold on, and she'd been married a little bit longer than I had at that point. Okay. Interesting. And we'll get back to that part. But before you're cheating on your wife, like when you were in relationships and dating and stuff, I mean, I'm assuming maybe the answer is no because you still, you hadn't lost the weight and coming to your own.

But like in the past before this time, were you always monogamous to your girlfriends or were you always kind of a cheater? Well, keeping in mind that, you know, my wife and I started dating very early on when I was in college. Yeah. There wasn't a lot of other opportunity. I mean, I guess there were a couple of opportunities in college. and then yeah, I mean, I did some playing with professionals, shall we say. So, yeah, so I've never been strictly monogamous. I will say that.

Okay. And maybe you didn't cheat as much then because you had the weight on and you weren't that confident and like this new thing that came up so many years later. And listen, I heard that before from Dr. Guy who's been on my show and he was a massive cheater when I met him. And he once said to me, hey, you know, and he eventually like came to terms and found a girl that was like really slutty like him and he's all good. But he was like, you know, Kathy, I was always like, and he was like a like a,

really fucking hot guy. A lot of cash. He was a doctor and he could get any girl he wanted. But he was like, you don't understand. When I was growing up, I was overweight. I never got chicks.

Like I never had that experience. And he felt that, you know, he's like, you don't understand what that's like, Kathy, you know? And so when he got older, made all this money,

got his degree, lost all his weight and was like fucking hot. And every girl on the Upper East Side wanted him. He like couldn't help himself, you know? And so it's like being a kid in a candy store.

It's like literally, you know, you just, you can't sort of help it. Yeah, and you know, as human beings, we all have egos. We can't help it for better for work. And, you know, and there was that ego as a man who wasn't being fulfilled all his life. And now all of a sudden there's all this opportunity. And that's like the devil on your shoulder. Like, what do you do now that you're skinny? You could get all these chicks. You're married. You chose to be like, go fulfill all your fantasies that you never lived out before. And that's, and that's just it. I mean, it's about ego and some of it. All we'll admit is about it. And some of it is about, you know, it's about sort of this idea of we're put on this life for a limited amount of time. We should really derive the most pleasure that we can while we're in that time. So that's, you know, that was sort of how I looked at it.

And so as I said, I had this college advisor who was the hot college advisor, you know, hot professor that a lot of guys wanted to sleep with. And in fact, here's the thing. You know, there was a moment, you know, she and I kept in touch after we never did anything while I was. Yeah, that's what I was figuring. because in the timeline of this. No, no. But I knew she had slept with a number of my classmates. Oh, okay.

And in fact, married one of my classmates. I said to her, you were having drinks. And I said, well, you know, why didn't we sleep together? You know, as she was sort of talking about the bad attributes of one particular conquest. So why didn't we sleep together? And she said, you never asked, darling. You never asked. Was she still with your friend?

Wait, was she still married to your friend when you're talking to her at this point? So the guy she married wasn't, wasn't a. I wasn't a friend, but he was a classmate. Oh, okay. But the point is that, that yes, she was married in, but we weren't, we weren't sleeping together. I wasn't, at that time, I, I, you know, was not going to, there was sort of a no-fly zone there. No, I know, but now when you reach out to her and you're talking and saying, why didn't you? Is she married at that point or, or no?

So she was married, yes, she was married at that point. We're just sort of sitting and having drinks. Okay. And she was always, always provocative. But it was a really important lesson, which is, you know, when in doubt, before, forthright and ask for what you're looking for. Show that confidence. You know, fuck the potential for rejection. You know, everybody's going to get rejection. But as they say in soccer or hockey, you know, the only goals you're not guaranteed to get or the shots you don't take. So, you know,

so there was that. No, tragically, well, let's just say this. Her, she found herself single a couple of years later. We were still very close. I wound up doing because I was doing photography because of a girl that I had been dating extracurricularly. And she had, asked me to do a boudoir shoot for her. And even then we didn't hook up. It was like six months after that. She wanted to feel sexy. We did a boudoir shoot in a hotel and like six months later we were, we were fucking. Oh my God. Your college professor. But at this point, you're cheating a lot. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. It was, it was that, you know, because I had fantasized about her for so many years, I mean, it really was kind of, not kind of, it was a mind-blowing experience. I mean, it was really,

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something? What blew how to blow up? That sort of parameters changed. And she and I broke it off, but then a year later, I guess her husband was getting ready to leave her, and she confessed to her husband about our affair, and the husband reached out to me and made accusations and threatened to upend my marriage. And it was a whole big thing. How did you get him not to tell your wife? Well, it started with sort of giving him the apology that he supposedly wanted, but being very oblique about it. And then when he really started threatening me, I went and pulled the various laws of cyber harassment and blackmail from his state and discovered that he was, you know, using his work computer to send the threats to me. And I said, you know, listen, I have a pretty good idea that your wife doesn't know that you're contacting me.

And I pretty much know your employer doesn't know you're contacting me. So unless you stop, I'm going to go to both your wife and your employer and blow the whistle on you. And that ended it there. So you scared him, but I mean, you know, I'm surprised, you know, because like, they say hell hath no fury than a woman's scorn, but I'm assuming if you're fucking some guy's wife, he's fucking scorn too. It's going to try to get you back as much as possible. I think it's, you know, yeah, I mean, that there, yes, it is, it is one of those things where, yeah, you always, you'll always wonder about that, about that circumstance. And, you know, the world is not a big place. So yes. So, you know, listen, Yeah, there's a reason why I'm not more high profile in my world. What do you mean? Well, no, it's just, you know, you never know about sort of the blowback that's out there.

So you got this, you know, this guy out there and all of a sudden all kinds of crazy things can be said. No, I know. Is that one of the times that you would count as like you almost being caught? Because that is almost being caught. I mean, the fact that he did. The fact that he went to you before he went to your wife, you're fucking lucky. Because some people just go straight to the partner. But I think at the end of the day, what he wanted was, I think he wanted to scare me, and I don't know what was going on inside his marriage at that point in time when he reached back out to me.

You know, I think he recognized that if he had done that, it would have really upended his marriage in a way that he really didn't want. So he wanted to stay with his wife, even though he knew she was cheating on him. He stayed with her. I thought you said their marriage was blowing up. Clear as I know that they're still together today. Okay, cool. Let's move on from her. So you're cheating with her. the first affair, right? Does the college, like, and then do you start to just like, I mean, does it always wind up just being people that you bump into or that you know, or do you at a certain point start looking for women? For the longest time, listen, the greatest, the greatest,

the greatest thing out there was Craigslist casual encounters. Oh, yeah, you know, that's how I started my show. I got every single caller for the first, like probably five years from Craigslist. There you go. And that's just it, because Craigslist was great, because, you know, you could put up an ad and if you were, you had a reasonable skill at being able to write and you sort of use words to attract people and turn them on. Yeah. It was great. So you could go and, you know, if I went into a random city, you know, I could put up an ad and a couple of different ads given what somebody might want to be looking for. And so, you know, that was, that was where it was for the longest time. And I swore I was not going to fall in love with anybody again. And that lasted,

it lasted for almost 10 years. I mean, I had, you know, that one, the one relationship with the high school girlfriend, I had a very long-term relationship with a woman that I met on Craigslist, which was amazing. And then she decided to make things work with her husband, and she got pregnant from her husband, not from me. And, you know, so we dialed it back and I moved away. But, you know, that was, that was great. And then I met the person in media, and that was a long-term thing.

I mean, there have been one-offs here and there. But for the most part, if I played with someone who knew me in real life, I had to be really, really careful. I had to be really sure because I was definitely afraid of the potential for blowback. So it was a lot of getting to know somebody semi-inonymously and then sort of going down that road. Did you hook up mostly with women who were married, so they had something to lose as well? you know, by blabbing, so they kept it to themselves? That was, that was, that's one of the rules. Never, never cheat with someone who doesn't have as much to lose as you do.

Yeah. And it only, it only blew back on me once where I started hooking up with someone who knew me. We were working on a professional project together. There's a couple times that's happened. And it turns out that she was looking, she was cheating because she wanted an exit strategy from her husband. And what I didn't realize at the time is, that as she was fucking me, she was fucking another guy.

And I found out later because he came to me about pulling away from the project and sort of admitted that he'd been fucking her. And I'm like, okay, well, you know, I didn't say anything to him about me. But then it turns out she was dating somebody else and then and then I wound up marrying, divorcing her husband and marrying that guy. Oh my God. So she was getting around. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, that was that, that's the, other part of it is also, you know, because I have certain kinks, I don't like sharing them with people who might be able to use them to blow up my life. So that's a whole, that's a whole other thing. So it's got, I've got to be, you know, again, the rules. I don't, I don't fuck anybody I work with. I really try to steer clear as much as possible for that because of the blowback. And then, you know, it's in terms of, in terms of the kinks, you got to, you just got to, you just

got to be careful about that. Yeah, I'm going to, I have a million questions for you. I don't know where to start, but this is a question I have for you now. And then I want to talk a little about your wife and then I want to go to get your list of kinks. Okay, that's the order. My first question to you, though, is because I recently did a whole episode about like how to keep a booty call and do it correctly without anyone fucking copping feelings. And my whole thing is like, you know, let's have sex and that's about it. You know what I mean? Like there's no like kissy faces, emojis, like fake boyfriend, girlfriend, shit. Like, how do you play with these girls? or are you one of those guys because I know them that are cheating and are not looking for anything more than just sex.

But you add in all that nonsense when you're sort of like, you know, communicating with these women. If they do go more than just like a one-time thing, are you like feeding your ego in that way as well with the texting and stuff? Or is it just strictly like you go there, have sex and you call it a day? No, I don't ever say I love you to anybody that I don't genuinely love. You're not love bombing people. I'm not love bombing people. I mean, I'll show attention and all of that. But, you know, it's, it's, it, and I think,

and I think there's a difference sort of between the anonymous things and or semi-inonymous things. I guess if you're, if you're, you know, fucking someone many, many times, but you don't know their actual identities. I mean, it's a little different than being anonymous because there's a consistency there. But, you know, it's, it's tough because, you know, the one long-term relationship that I had after my high school girlfriend, where it really did turn into a love affair, she had warned me that I was going to catch feelings.

And I was like, no, I'm not going to catch feelings. I'm not going to catch feelings. And I did catch feelings. And it was, and she caught feelings too. I mean, to be really clear, I think part of it is the old adage of you never say, I love you first, which I think is important. But then again, she is the only other one that I've had this sort of love affair with. For besides another girl that you cheated.

Well, so the high school ex-girlfriend and I said what they call in the, in the adultery biz, I-L-Y, as we said, the I love yous. Yeah. And then, and then this other woman that I've been with for many, many years. Got there too. But beyond that, no, I've never, I've never said that. Oh, you know, obviously with my wife. But, you know, it's, so, yeah, so I think it's very hard to not catch feelings. I think some of it is if you do focus it in the direction of the sex, and even still,

you can even sort of focus it on the friendship aspects of it, the whole friend's benefits. Like, you know, my high school advisor, you know, or high school, my college advisor, boy, that was a 40-inch slip. My college advisor. You know, we very much love each other. We're not in love. It's not a whole I love you thing. Yeah.

I would go to the ends of the earth for her. you know, but there, there's the mutual respect. But it's ultimately about fun and fucking and support. And, you know, and also what was always great about her is I could literally tell her anything, tell her about any kink. And it was, it was never going to be, there was no king shaming at work. What happens? What's going, okay, these are my questions about your wife and you. Sure.

Because you sound like a single guy having fun right now, but you're not. You're actually married. You have this whole other life. right at home with the wife. Now, you know, what's your sex life with your wife? And have, did you ever try to tell her about your king so get her to like explore those things with you? And how did that turn out? Yes. And not very well. I mean, here's the thing. You know, I think my wife, like a lot of women, once she had kids, I think that sort of changed her outlook on things. Shex was always very vanilla, very routine. And not that there's anything wrong with

vanilla and routine. You know, vanilla ice cream is the most popular flavor of ice cream out there. Yeah. But, but, you know, it's, it's, you know, one night a week, maybe I'm always the one initiating, the lights are almost always off. I mean, maybe on occasion there's a, there's a daytime thing, obviously harder when the kids were still in the house because the kids aren't in the house anymore. But, you know, it's little things like my wife has not been comfortable with me going down

on her for years. Well, for years. I mean, I think when we were, when we were first going out and dating, she was more into it. But, you know, I think, I don't know if it's a self-conscious thing. I don't know if it is truly a sensitivity thing. But it's, you know, it, no, I mean, and I love it. And from what my various, and I know women out there are going to cringe and all the guys are going to say that I'm not doing it right, clearly but you know as jerry seinfeld said i know what i'm doing i'm in the union um so no other women complain is what you're trying after one after one particularly frustrating evening i was on vacation and i i i had i'd been shut down and i emailed or texted this friend of mine you know when i was in a longer-term relationship with it i'm like you know be honest with me am i am i am i bad at this

she's no you're you're not now you know she might be biased as well i don't know but so so you know i mean And then there was the point where I did finally get up the courage to admit one of my, one of my kinks. And she essentially shut me down by saying it was weird and she wasn't going to do it. So I said to myself, you know something? I am just going to focus on pursuing these. I'll be happier. She'll be happier if I am pursuing these things on my own. So I just got to tell you something about like women going down on like, you know, to me like oral sex is like.

like pizza, like even bad, even if it's bad, it's good. Like, it's so great that like, you know, the fact that, like, if you were that bad, she would just speak up and be like, go lower, do that. Like, it's got to be something going on with her. I mean, not just what I think as a woman. I don't know, you know, but my guess is that, you know, she would tell you because she loved it so much that don't like it. There's some women who don't feel comfortable with it.

I know, but this is your wife and you did it with her a million times, I'm assuming before she got uncomfortable with it. So it's, you know. Yeah. I wouldn't say a million, but yeah, quite a bit. I mean, again, it was one of those things where, and then clearly I'm enthusiastic about it. So it's, you know, I throw myself all in a, God, listen, God forbid, God forbid I try, I try, I try, I'm going, boy, it's something else I love. Okay, so you try to, so, you know, your wife wouldn't let you go down on her.

You have ever tried to, like, talk dirty at her, get her to, like, go to the places you like to go, like, in the bed. Every once in a while, I'll get her to say, fuck me, dad. but never sort of down that road and it didn't it didn't go anywhere. I mean, she made it really, she made me feel a bad for even asking her. It's okay. I've got other other opportunities to sort of deal with this. So I won't put the pressure on you. You know, I'll just go and find my outlet elsewhere. Currently is it like once a week you have sex with your wife or less than that at this point? Once every couple of weeks. Once every couple of weeks. I mean, it literally, it, yeah, so this weekend, you know, I mean, you know, we,

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in you kind of like shed some weight and then all of a sudden you're getting like all this action on the side and it sounds like you became professional and I'm sure there's so many more stories you're going to share with me of people because you said you've been with porn stars and like you know somehow you met Cindy wife you know what I mean so after Craigslist went down you must have got creative and I don't know where you meet your girls now but like did your wife ever like be like notice any kind of difference in you or anything? or does she ever question why you're not like hounding her about sex as much as maybe you should? Because you are getting it from somewhere else. So like I wonder. Not at all. I mean, I mean, because I was still, you know, work and I getting it at home. For me, I'm, I think it's one of those

situations like, like I know with a number of married women who, you know, had been dead bedroom situations. But then once they start getting some action on the side, then they start fucking their husbands again. Exactly. So, you know, it's so yeah, no, there was never really any, any lull. I was always, you know, a confident guy, obviously more confident with women. I think she noticed many, many years ago, and I've always had women friends. And so she, I think that was always sort of normalized with her. And that's, but that's another part of this, right, which is always be where you need to be, you know, always, you know, be in situations where if you're with somebody that you may be fucking to make it a normalized situation.

Meaning you're not taking them out to a romantic dinner and a candlelit restaurant. You're like meeting up with them in a place that if someone caught you, it wouldn't seem weird. Is that what you're doing? It would be. Yes. There would be an explanation there. You know, if I'm going to be away for a night, there's an explanation for where I'm going to be, right?

And why I'm going to be there and who I'm going with. Oh, yeah, I'm talking to so-and-so on the phone. You know, oh, yeah, so-and-so has got this going on. Now that's again, sort of getting back to, you know, being in relationship with people I knew. Otherwise, it's a matter of, yeah, it's a matter of making sure that you have a plausible reason for being where you need to be or some plausible reason for having your phone off or what have you. Okay. So that's a good segue into like one of my questions that I have for you is like, where do you do all this cheating? Where do you, do you, like, travel a lot for work and you just, like, fly these girls out with you, like, or, you know, how are you getting around, you know, without getting caught?

So I do a lot of, a lot of travel for work. You know, I travel to one very specific city for a lot of work. And so that affords me the opportunity to, you know, be in a hotel room and I can host, which, by the way, you know, if you are a guy and you are working on setting up affairs with married women, having the ability. the host for a rendezvous is a very attractive quality. You know, that's not to say, and I know you've spoken and talked to people about car sex. That's not to say that car sex isn't bad, but still, it works. You know, I had a friend for a long time who had an apartment relatively near where I

lived, and I had the key to their apartment and was ostensibly responsible for making sure when this person was traveling, that everything was taken care of. So that helped for a while. Of course, that ended a couple of years back. So, you know, there have been opportunities there to do that. And I'm, you know, I'm in, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm, with, you know, that I, that I, that I, that, you know, if I need to get a hotel room in town that, that, that doesn't, uh, raise a lot of ire either. Yeah. Interesting. Well, now after Craigslist went bust because, like, thank God for my show at that point, people were emailing me and I didn't need Craigslist anymore. What did you do because Craigslist was your weight of

meet married women. Did you go on Ashley Madison or any of these like kind of app that specialize? No? No? So, I am very reticent of Ashley Madison and Seeking.com. I've never really been on plenty of fish. I don't even know if that's still a thing. Yeah. I had pretty good success

with Tinder for a while, though that dried up. There was an app called Whisper, which was really great because it was very short messages. I met a great play partner. She was single and so much fun figure skater, which was great. Juice flexible and in shape.

Yeah, very. And, yeah, and kinky. Yeah. And, you know, Reddit. I mean, Reddit, so, you know, I'm, I just started talking to somebody on Reddit. I haven't had great success there, but, you know, I'm working on it. So Reddit, and then it just like, how do you meet someone like Cindy wife? Is that like, oh, you sign up to her only fans and then you, like, hit her up?

Or does she live near you? Yeah. There was a social media thing and I messaged her there and I did the, you know, I do the photography thing. And I think I offered to take pictures of her and we got to talking and I happened to be going to Indianapolis for something. And I said, hey, let's get together. And it was, yeah, it was great. She's fantastic. But yeah, so that was, this is going to sound awful.

And I didn't set up my photography profile to meet women. I set it up so that I was dating a woman at the time who wanted to meet women and she wanted to meet hot women and take pictures of herself with hot women. But I kept that profile going. What was that? That's very specific. She wanted like that with like her fantasy like, oh, get me chicks and we could get naked and you could take pictures of us together. Like that was like her kink. That's exactly right.

Yeah. She was very, very into that. One of those things where I'm sure you've experienced this, if you ever spend, those of you who were on Craigslist, you know, you go and you put out your ad and you meet somebody and you talk to them and they send you a picture. And I was genuinely shocked when she showed up and was better looking than her pictures indicated she was. Was this the woman that wanted to take pictures with girls or Cindy wife? Yes. Okay, yeah.

No, no, this was her. Cindy wife, we know. Yeah. But no, no, yeah, this was, this was her and she was fun. But yeah, so, you know, every once in a while, you know, you go out, you take pictures with somebody and, and there's a, there's a vibe there. And so something might happen. I tried to stay away from that because you don't want to be, you don't want to be accused of being unprofessional. So, but, you know, they can be very heady and charged environments. Okay, what are some of your other kinks that you have or stuff like crazy things that you've done with these other women? It sounds like, have you had, you had, threesomes with them and stuff like that and lived out like a kind of like a like to hardcore stuff like that with with these people that you're hooking up with on the side yeah i mean and you know listen let's let's be really clear i've never been a stranger to you know going and seeking someone for you know professional time so you know i think i think it you know probably the craziest has has been a couple of instances

where i hooked up with uh with porn stars i wound up i was in i was in uh florida for work and and reached out to one of my favorite Milf porn stars, showed her some of my work and said, I'd love to come and take pictures of you. And I literally thought that was all that was going to happen. And then, you know, as we're shooting, and we're shooting for a couple of hours, we did a couple of different looks.

And at one point, you know, we were spinning this fantasy and she is playing with herself on a futon, and she asked me to sort of talk about one of my fantasies. And she came very hard while I was talking to her, about one of my fantasies. And then she sort of saw that I was hard and invited me over. I wound up going down on her. And to quote Elaine Bennett from Seinfeld again,

yada, yada, yada, we wound up spending the afternoon fucking. And I wound up being a stunt cock and a video for her, which was great. Can you mention her name by any chance? Is that okay or no? If it's okay with you, yeah. It's okay for me for sure. Yeah, what was her name? Her name is Margo Sullivan.

And frankly, if you look at, I don't know, her website's probably not even still up there anymore because I think she's retired. But if you can go back through the wayback machine on her old Margo Sullivan.com, there's a picture of her naked looking in a mirror putting on makeup with her ass jetted out. I took that picture. Wow. But how crazy is that there you are like, I mean, you know, this is a woman that you're watching her videos and everything and every guy, you know, and now all of a sudden you're like having sex with her. Right. I mean, and that's not sort of, that's not even the first time that was, that was the first time that it happened, wasn't the last. So I, I went up going a couple of years back, I went to fetish con down in, again, Tampa. Oh my God. So is this like you're on one of your quote unquote work trips? Because, you know, how you have fetish come for the weekend? I was, that was, that was exactly it. So I had this one sort of random weekend where for a reason, my wife was away with the kids, like away away.

And I'm like, you know something? I have never gone to fetish con. I've always wanted to go. I've known a handful of folks who were down there. And so I went down to it. And it was amazing. And it was amazing. If you're at all like a kingster,

if you have any kind of kink or fetish. And to a fetish con, I urge you to go because, you know, you can cut loose and be yourself for three days, for four days. And I wound up meeting. First I met this. couple and they were looking to play with another couple and and you know rarely but on occasion

you find couples that are looking for single guys but i i knew that they weren't interested in a single guy so it was like no pressure so wound up hanging out with them and people watching and the wife wound up walking around with me when the husband was working during the day and because he was doing work wound up doing a couple of photo shoots there post script to that real quick is that like Four or five months later, I wound up inviting me into a foursome with them, which was completely unexpected. But it was also at this event that I met a model, an actress. And we just sat there talking. And she admitted later that she had just seen an empty Shays lounge and just wanted to sit down. Turns out we had connected on Model Mayhem years before and traded some messages, but never really had talked.

and there was like an instant, an instant click. And we wound up making out and not doing much else, because she had like a strict rule with her husband at the time. She couldn't fuck other guys. She could fuck women. But, you know, and so she and I wound up hooking up a while later. By the way, I'm also, I also encourage folks, you know, play the long game. It doesn't have to be immediate.

Yeah. So it was a couple of years later. So, you know, things like that. And really a truly, truly amazing event. I would love to get back down there. I have a friend who really wants to go at some point. I just don't know if I could swing it without my wife being away. Oh, my God.

Let me ask you this. I remember you saying something about political pun. Like, didn't you like women? What are they? Like something about political women. Like, haven't you been with a lot of women in politics or something? Yeah. I mean, I've, I've been sort of adjacent in the media over the years.

And I've got to be really careful because I got it. I get it. someone is going to come and find it. But yeah, you know, I will tell you this much. Let's start here with being in an event and meeting a producer for a foreign news network. And hitting it off with this person at this party wound up taking them back to my hotel. And then the next morning waking up and having to be on set with this person as a producer. That was fun.

But yeah, but then I, yeah, I was involved with someone. for a very long time who was doing a lot of commentary on on TV. And she, and she was the one I was in, I was in the very long term relationship with. Oh, okay. And I got to say nothing, nothing more, nothing more bizarre than sitting with my wife, watching this woman on TV. Yeah. And like, I, I fucked you.

I fucked her. And we're watching her right now. That's strange. But also, like, at one point, We were in a city. We were fooling around in my hotel room, and I had been fucking her from behind before she was going to go off to work. And I specifically did not want her to come, and I didn't come, because I wanted her to be worked up to come back to my room. And I watched her, well, an hour later on TV, and she was so worked up.

I she was completely discombobulated and I watched this meltdown on TV and oh by the way she was so super fucking pissed at me that night that she didn't come back to my hotel. Oh my God. Why? Because you got her all frazzled? Yep. I got yes. I completely, I completely undone. I listen, I would have liked to have gotten off but nevertheless there was something quite fun about seeing that on TV. So how are those women that are so like they seem so buttoned up and polished and you know, not uptight but you would like are they like? Are they like? freaks in the bad room. Listen, I have very, very rarely have I met a buttoned-up woman who once turned on hasn't exhibited a major, major freaky side. I think, you know, some of it has to do with, you know, comfort and safety, you know, the more secure you feel.

Lord knows, I've, I've been down that road. You know, with my, with opening up about some of my more serious kinks to my college advisor, That was hard for me because I did not know how she was going to react. Of course. It was, again, a huge lesson in, you know, when she said, no, no, no, I want, I want to know the really dirty fantasy. I'm like, okay, well, how about this? And that was, and that was great. I mean, you know, now I don't really particularly care.

I mean, obviously depends on the circumstances. But, you know, I am more forthright about what I'm into. than I've ever been, really. And don't you think that, in turn, allows the women to be very forthright with all the, like, kinky crazy things that they're into, too? Because it's not like women are into kinky things themselves. It's just a lot of times they feel the same way you did at first, you know, like afraid to sort of put that out there.

And unfortunately, people out there are sometimes able to, like, let that side of them show to, like, a total stranger over than, you know, more so than letting their long-term partners know, you know, because it's almost like weirder to do it with that person that it is to just like put it out there with someone you just met right up the get that less to lose and that's exactly it right there's the comfort and anonymity right when you're talking to someone that you need on on reddit or something and you can sort of you're you're already based in whatever the kinks that you have yeah are like you're putting it out there but right you know you meet somebody and like I can't even tell you how many times it's happened where you start sort of down

the road and you're sort of probing them for what they and I that sounds manipulative I don't mean it that way but you're you know you're asking questions to sort of see what their kinks are what their limits are. They might say that they don't like something. I've got a woman friend that I've known for years who for years said that XYZ kink was not something she was into. Oh yeah, she was into it. She just didn't feel safe enough to tell me because she'd been burned on it before. So, you know, it so yeah, so you just, you know, you go down the road. But on the other hand, for some women, as Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes they say things and they mean it. And, you know, it's like, okay, that's a no-fly zone. So we'll, we'll go there.

exactly okay so what like you have like these certain rules like have you done those like to me the worst kind of cheater and i always say this is like the guy that like you know cheats with his bet his wife's like best friend or the woman that she sees at the fucking pta every day or so like i know that you have those rules not to do those kinds of things but like what is the worst thing you think you've ever done uh when you've broken your rules yeah yeah the worst the worst the worst rule baking is is is probably having sex in my in my bed at home. I mean, yeah, that's pretty bad.

Yeah, I would, I would never, you know, at my house, but also specifically in my bed. That's something that I, I, and how come that happened? Well, how come you did that? You didn't do it is what you're saying. Or did you do that?

It was no, no, no, I did do it. I mean, it was circumstantial. I mean, it was one of these things where I was working on a project with somebody. Yeah. And, you know, somebody I knew in, in the town where I was, and she, you know, had plausible deniability.

It was one of these things where I, was getting a couple of hints that she was into cheating on our husband. And in point of fact, I later found out that I was like the third, third man down. I was the side piece, maybe to the side piece of the side piece. It's not just the side piece. And, you know, at one point, we'd been flirting and then we're sort of flirting and she's daring me to do something. And I wound up sort of really just pulling her over and, you know, ripping off her clothes. And she loved that. And then we wound up upstairs in my in my bed and and once we were done I was like yeah at the very least if we're going to do this again in the house I'm going to do it in the guest room but yeah so that's

the worst I mean it's not like I you know we had family friends where the husband was he would fly his mistress to wherever his family went on vacation and was sort of sneaking yeah that's exactly that guy yeah that's that's that's that's that's terrible but you know it's like little things like you know, so that's a rule, you know, never with somebody you know in town, never with somebody who's friends, never somebody who's married to a family member. Yeah. You know, you know, never talk, never talk ill about your spouse to the person you're cheating with. Yeah, I love that because like I can't tell you how many times people are with somebody who is like

cheating on their partner. And they're like telling them like all these terrible things over. I'm like, yeah, but if this was like a movie and there would be a split screen, you'd see them at home being so nice to their partners. You know what I mean? Like, they have to tell you that shit. And I sometimes think people say that because they think they have to. And the other side of it is you can also the split screen of them being a complete another bitch or whatever to their spouse.

I mean, it's, you know, so it's like literally I was just talking to somebody who started talking down her husband and I'm like, yeah, that's, that just, that just doesn't sit right by me. Plus, time is so fleeting. And why waste, you know, important together time talking about the partners? know, bitching about a spouse. Okay, wait, another question. Like, have you ever, like, in the beginning, did you, like, feel a little guilty the first

couple times and then that went away? Did you feel maybe guilty after that time you fucked that woman in your bedroom, or have you never felt guilty? No, I mean, there have been pangs of guilt from time to time. And, you know, it's just sort of as things get crazy. And, you know, so, yeah, I mean, obviously, it's, I'm not a sociopath, even though it may sound like I am. But you know, you get the, you get the, the, the pangs of remorse. Why am I doing this? Why am I spending so much time doing this? You know, the other part of it is, it's a matter of

timing, the amount of time, because it's, anybody who's out there knows, the search can be exhausting. And especially when the payoff just isn't there. And so, you know, there are moments of, of regret, you know, some interlude. I remember once I met a woman on, on, on, Craigslist and her thing was for me to go down on her in her office and and that was just it was just not an ideal situation and I'm like what the what what the fuck am I doing here yeah so yeah but you know but but again then you're then you're back because the rewards outweigh the pangs yeah yeah unfortunately now you live in this world where it's not only you cheating you know you're hitting up and in contact with like by all these women who are cheating too do you find

that they're cheating for the same reasons you are? Do you find that it's all different reasons? Like, why do you think you cheat? And what do you think most of these women who are hitting you up that are cheating on their husbands are doing it as? I think, I think it falls generally into two categories. Yeah. Who are not getting fucked properly by their husbands. And by fucked, I mean, you know, across the board, there's a whole blanket things. Their husbands aren't going down on them. You know, their husbands can't do this. Their husbands won't do that. Their husbands are really vanilla. but then there are the women who are, they are in so much control of their lives, right?

That they are, you know, they're taking care of the kids. It's like, remember the Anjali ads? I think it was Anjali, you know, I can bring on the bacon and frasper pan. So, you know, they are so much in charge of their lives that they need the escape, right? They have so much burden on their shoulders that they need a time of pure fantasy. and so there's there's some of that that's out there and some of it it's the romance is dead but but it's generally those two categories sometimes you know combined together so you know the one sort of long standing relationship I had her husband wasn't fucking her properly and she was in sort of a high

power job and and couldn't uh you know and it sort of needed that needed that escape and what about you would you say you fall into those two categories too do you think it's different for men than it is for women? You know, and not to generalize about other guys and what they do. I mean, for me, it really is about, I've always had a focus on hedonistic indulgence.

I think some of that may even be a, no, maybe it's not a generational thing. But, you know, it's, for me, I was always reading. I was, you know, like a lot of the nerds who were reading about sex when they were, you know, in their teens and into their 20s,

you know, you come away with an idea of, well, this is normal. It is normal to want to indulge in these things. These fantasies are normal. And our time on this planet is finite. So let's have as much fun as possible before

what was it? As Jim Morrison said, before the whole shit hits the fan. Yeah. Listen, let me ask you this. Where do you like because I think like there's, what's ruder than like cheating on somebody? Like being fucking sloppy about it. You know what I'm saying? Like one thing you never want to do is

have your wife find out because like that would that's like the you know it's bad enough you're cheating people would say but like if you do it to the point where you're sloppy like you know you got to do it smart like there's like there's that extra disrespect to me I feel like when someone's so fucking sloppy about it you know what I mean like I think if you have the the sloppiness to it I think there's almost it's almost like a you want to be caught a maniac thing I think it's almost like you want to be caught there's a certain degree of humiliation there or sabotage or sabotage Yes, yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, whenever I have a cheater on who feels really bad about cheating, but they're cheating, I'm always like, you're, you're the type of person that gets caught. Not the cheaters that feel like they're, it's okay and whatever. It's the cheaters that feel guilty. Like, that's going, you're going to sabotage that. That part of your, yourself, that is subconscious is going to ruin things. So where, so how do you, so how do you keep, like, I mean, you have pictures, you have texts, you have, like, bills, even though you have your own credit card. Like, how do you keep everything. So, so how do you keep everything. So, like, I mean, you have pictures. You have. You have. You have. You have. You have. Like, separate and where is everything fucking hidden, hidden? Well, I mean, you know, that's, that's the thing.

You know, anything that's sort of physical, I have certain locations that I think my, my wife is not going to go and see. And, you know, I've been done pretty well so far. So I think that that's, that's not going to be the case. Yeah, I mean, I'm very careful about what I put out there online, what pictures that I, that I send to people. No, but you're taking pictures. Do you have this whole picture business? Oh, I mean, well, that's, listen, I, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, That's very true. Where is all that shit? Where is all that shit?

I mean, if you died, okay, after we hang up, you get in your car and you're driving home and you got in a massive car accident and died, okay, knocking on with, sorry. But like, you know, would your wife find a, you know, a hidden laptop and with all this shit on it? Yeah, I mean, probably at some point in time, she might find that. Oh, you know, I once thought, I had a very wealthy friend who was a massive cheater. And I was like, you know, I need to set up like a business. like a cleanup business for these really wealthy men,

you know what I mean, who's got all this like nonsense going on, that secret. So that the minute they die, you know, that somebody comes in and cleans all that shit up because like someone has to know where this shit is because you don't want your wife finding it if you do die.

I'm sorry. Like you just don't want her to remember you that way. I had a massive wake-up call. Yeah, you know, but the other part of it is I just, I guess I'll be, I'll be,

you'll be dead, but she won't. No, but she won't. You know, it's it's that's just it I mean it's yes it's like there's that aspect of it there what are you what are kids think if they find out yeah and I'm sorry you know what happens every single thing that you did that has nothing to do with the cheating every single good thing goes away and all you remembered by

is that and that's a that I think you do yourself a disservice you're a good dad you're like all these great things but no I'm just telling you I'm just telling you like do you have a friend that knows that you fucking cheat. Does your friend, do you have a friend? You just need a clean-up person, okay? You can't hire me. I never set up the business, but you need a cleanup person. I think that would be where my college, or my college advisor comes in on something like that. But, you know, at the end of the day, I mean, I'm also, that, that ship has largely sailed. I mean, it's not even that because I can do as much clean up as possible. And I've had APs die. Actually, this is a really, really great place to go with this. So I had a good friend that I hooked up.

with years ago and she descended into a spiral of pills and wound up getting very sick and wound up passing away. And I actually wound up being friends with her husband in the interim. Like he was friends with friends of mine. Again, when she and I started hooking up, we didn't know that we had these connections. And right after she died, I got the phone call from her husband. And I assumed that he was going to tell me that he knew all about the affair. And it turned out not so much, but it, you know, I guess my point in all of this is there are a number of people that I've had relationships with that's, you know, that there's that legacy that's out there. And so, you know, there's always that risk of folks finding it. You just got to do what you can.

No, I just said, is there a laptop laying around where she could find? It's only the stuff that's like in your house, you know what I mean? So I would just say be careful with that stuff. I remember it's like in my intro. It's in my intro where I remember one of the first guys is Dom that was on my show. He was like, you know, I was like, where do you hide your stuff? He's like, you know, in my trunk. And I was like, whatever you do, like, rehide your whips and chains. Like that's like what's when, you know, it's in my intro and it was forever in there because I love to know where people like you hide their stuff. Because I overthink everything, you know what I'm thinking to that of that point. And like, I don't want your wife to know when she's mourning you to have to have that put on her. So like, you know, try to. Try to. to think a little bit more so, like, further down the line with that, the physical stuff in your fucking house, okay? Yes. You should. I will absolutely do that.

Or maybe I do. Someone does need to set up that business. Like, you know, Ashley Madison should have a side business clean up like the fucking cheater's shit, you know? Because it's like, what do guys do like that? Because I do think it's sad if your wife then has to, because let me tell you, she would forget all the good that you did and you'd be, you know, all you'd be was a fucking cheater scumbag liar to her and you don't want that to happen to you. So,

re-hide your laptop and whatever else you have fucking hidden in your house. It is a good, it is a good New Year's resolution in any case. But we move in the spring to engage in a little spring cleaning. No, I think you're right. Yeah, yeah, just do that because, I mean, you're taking this, listen, you sound like a professional, you got this down, you've been cheating for a very long time. You've never got caught. I'm assuming you love your wife, and besides, like, not having great sex with her or not like the sex you're having with those people, like everything in your guy's marriage is great, every other aspect of it? And that's exactly it.

So why let this, why let this aspect ruin it? You know, we can be a good couple together. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so keep that hidden. You were born in the wrong time. You know, don't you think it's so great that these younger kids and the younger generation are being a lot more open about, you know, who they are and what they're interested in?

And they're so much more open to like open relationships and non-monogamy and all that kind of good stuff because so many people, you know, there's just, a lot of guys like you and people who just like sort of, I don't know, like, how natural is it to be like monogamous to one person for 60 years? I was always like did marriage math. And I was like, oh my God, like I could never like breathe thinking that I'd have to be with one person for all those years and never be with anybody else. It just didn't make sense to me. So I never got married. But like so many people did and had to because, you know, that's what you do. But, you know, it's, you know, to be with one person your whole life, I don't know how natural that is for most

people for a lot of people. I don't, I don't think it is. I mean, I'm also someone who believes that there are, you know, everybody has what, five or six different sort of loves that are out there. Yeah. You know, people that they can meet and have and have great, great affairs with. Yeah. Well, the good, like I said, the good news is the younger people are getting to do that with it all being on the up and up. The sad part of your situation is your wife doesn't know and it's all done behind her back. But like, thank God now people are being more realistic and they're being more open and honest right up front. it's funny I was talking to somebody who was talking about her husband and now she there was a period of time where she was blowing him every day once a day if not twice a day and I'm like well shit if I had that in my life

you know I would I would I would never I would never cheat yeah at least I say that maybe I would still I don't know but I yeah no she was taught well I mean you know you you hear these funny women on on Instagram telling people like that was someone someone gave her that advice and they were really right like you know what I mean like don't let him leave like like to get all that jizz out every single fucking day but that's a lot of work for a woman to do long term you know what I mean like that's a lot of fucking work you know so you got to give it up for that woman so you know whatever so anyway rehire your stuff thank you so much for calling in and being like very honest about your stuff I think that that's very cool you know thank to Cindy wife for setting this up people could go see Cindy wife on my discord because she's all over

there she's super fucking hot she's a 10 you know she's like a 12 right you're you're going to get free access to my discord you're going to get free access to my discord you can probably hook up with some people on there okay because there's a lot of action going down to my discord it's very x-rated you'll get a free link you'll get well it's free but it's private i only get you could only get in with the link for me so you'll get the link okay okay you're going to get the link when we hang up you can sign in there if you want you don't have to but i will let you know when the episode goes up and thanks i mean i feel like i could have had a million more uh questions for you but we got enough out of i have any updates if i have a

any of this I'll let me know, but I don't think you're gonna. It's only the guilty ones that get caught. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, thanks. Yeah, I get you. Thanks, Andy. Thanks for calling in. Bye. Bye. Okay. I just want to tell you before you go that I do have a book. The book is called Shickley anonymous confessions. Secret sex lives of total strangers. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck. old story. There's a gang bang girl story. There's like I said, 17 stories. And they're all told in the third person, right? So I took the interview and I rewrote it in the third person. I wouldn't call it like an erotica book, though there's plenty of sex in there, right? But I didn't write it to sound like erotica because that's like the vibe of my show. You're going to learn a lot. You're probably going to get a little turned on. It's a different way to hear these stories, like I said, because they're written out in third person. There's an e-book available if you don't want your partner to know that you're reading my book.

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