Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1397 - Hotwives, Stags, Cucks, Cuckqueans & More w/Kathy

Starting point is 00:00:00 this episode. I don't do all my other stuff that I typically do, which I need on all the other days, because the only way my show runs is by that intro. It keeps me going. It's how I give you seven episodes a week. I have all the people calling in because of those intros. I get paid because of those intros. And that's why I could do this full time for you and give you seven free episodes a week, which is how many episodes a month? Oh my God. And if you want early ad free and intro free episodes, just join my Patreon and send in the description. Anyway, today I am just talking bigger picture hot wiping, hot wives, stags, and cucks, okay? Because this has been something that I have seen change over time and I give you so much information on hot wives, cucks, and stags, the whole

Starting point is 00:00:43 dynamic, all of it. And bulls, I'm going to get into, and bulls, I get into bulls too. So anyway, I'm going to get right to be right back on with myself talking about hot wives, cucks, bulls and stags. Okay, everyone in that dynamic. So I'll be right back on. Okay, so listen, I'm going to talk about hot wifing on this episode. because it's such a hot topic and it has been since day one. But I didn't really put it together from day one. Okay, I started podcasting literally 12 years ago and I had to get all of my callers from Craigslist. That's where I got everybody. Now, thank God that people just email me all day long and I have my calendar book like, you know, a month or two months in advance of tons of people

Starting point is 00:01:26 calling in all the time. But in the beginning, I had to go out and look for callers. It was like my full-time job. That's what I did the most. Is go on to Craigslist, post ads, and look for callers. Now, there was this one guy. Okay, and to this day, people are still listening to his episodes. Now, if you listen to some of my earlier episodes, you know John, quote unquote, John.

Starting point is 00:01:49 John was the typical cock guy into having a fucking hot wife, okay? I didn't know those terms. I didn't know that this was a kink. I knew that it was always, his episodes were always my most downloaded, but I didn't know it was because so many guys had this fantasy. I just thought it was like the craziest thing I had ever heard. So I thought that's why it was like doing so good and his stories were doing so good. And at that point in my life, even though I had tons of friends and I was super open-minded

Starting point is 00:02:19 and I thought I knew everything about sex, even, you know, in the world of non-monogamy, I never knew that there was something called hotwifing. and I never really knew that so many guys were into watching their girl fuck another guy. Now, I remember having a great friend who actually was picked up by a couple in a bar once. And I remember him telling me that he met this couple. And they wanted him to fuck the girl. And he went back to their like recording studio because the guy was a musician and he fucked the girlfriend in front of her. And I just thought that was like the weirdest, darkest, strangest, never ever going to happen again.

Starting point is 00:02:57 or rarely happens thing. Like really, I remember him telling me that that's how out of it I was. Because none of my guy friends had ever copped to me that they wanted to see their girl, fuck another guy. Everybody thinks, even to this day, people are on the outside that don't listen to my show, still think that MFF threesome is like the end-all be-all for every guy. And MFF-threesome is when two girls get together. And just so you know the difference between MFM and MMF is when the two MMs are together, it means not only do they touch shorts, they touch swords, they suck them and fuck them too, okay?

Starting point is 00:03:36 The two MMs together mean the guys hook up too. And MFM means two guys, fucking one girl. Okay. So, you know, we all know and think most of the time where I thought as a girl that every guy just wanted to see their girl fuck another girl, right? Like what's better than one girl? Guys are so obsessed with like girls and their bodies and their boobs and their pussies that, you know, what's better than two boobs and one pussy? Four boobs and two pussies, right? Of course.

Starting point is 00:04:03 But it turns out if you ask me over 12 years, what I have found out and one of the most interesting things to me is that I feel like a lot more guys are into the hot wiping fantasy. And when they are into that, okay? and they're calling me because they're into their hot wife and their girl fucking other guys, whether they're cuckled or a stag, most of the time those guys could care less about them fucking another girl. They don't care. They're not that guy. They don't want to fuck other women.

Starting point is 00:04:37 If they were that guy, the couples that call them to my show, they're into hot wifeing. If they were into that, then, you know, they'd be couple swapping and they'd be like swingers. You know what I mean? They wouldn't be doing the hot wife stag, hot wife cuckled dynamic at all. what they would be doing. But they're not. And John wasn't. Let me just get back to John because it's so funny. And you might go back and listen to his episodes. He called in so many times in the beginning. Now, in the beginning, because it was hard for me to find people and I only did one episode a week, but I had to like work to find people because I was reaching out to them.

Starting point is 00:05:05 And podcasts weren't like a big thing 12 years ago. Okay. Like not many people were podcasting, but I was. Okay. I started before most people started a podcast. So it was hard to get people to sign up. John called in a lot. And I allowed him to call in a lot because I needed fucking callers, right? And plus, he grew my show. I really believe that those John episodes is what really got my audience. I really like went on. It's not like today. I feel sorry for these other podcasters. It's so hard to get listeners now. But when I started, because there weren't a lot of podcasts, I mean, I got listeners quick and I built an audience quick. And I had people listening and tuning in. And I grew my show without doing anything except producing content, you know.

Starting point is 00:05:44 But I think John and his a-thing stories really helped me. Now, I got to say, what I learned now that I didn't know early on, but what I didn't know about John until he was probably like four episodes in was that he was full of shit, okay? But he was such a good liar that, and I always say this. This is why I allow my factor fiction episodes to exist because a lot of times my factor fiction episodes are bad liars, you know? and instead of them wasting my time and me being pissed at the

Starting point is 00:06:16 my air of the most factor friction episode, so I won't be pissed, right? And then it's kind of interesting to try to suss it out for people that are like me and they try to want to suss out a liar. I like to, so they're kind of fun for me. But, you know, I do enjoy a good liar.

Starting point is 00:06:28 And sometimes it's so interesting to me that someone would be lying about something. That becomes like what's interesting about the episode. But John was such a good liar that his stories were just so fascinating. And they were like getting me tons of listeners. And they were getting me so many. downloads that I let him call in. And I promise you, I did not know he was lying and full as shit until way later on. And what I'll tell you now, 12 years later, is I will tell you my Factor Fiction episodes, by far, the number one thing that people are fucking lying about is the hot

Starting point is 00:06:59 wiping dynamic, just like John. As much as I feel like things have changed over time since I started podcasting, that has never changed. John was a fucking liar. And so many of my Factor Fiction episodes are guys lying about it because it's like what they want it's funny i had the woman on from dear nicky podcast recently and she does erotic story readings on her podcast and she also does phone sex and she says sometimes she feels like guys are lying but she allows them to because she feels like that's like what the fantasy of what they really want and i was like oh that's kind of like an interesting take because i'm always like irritated when they're lying to me it's like you're wasting my time but you know i think it's the number one things that guy the thing that guys lie about

Starting point is 00:07:36 because it's the number one thing that thing that guys want to happen. And it's a kind of a hard sell, though guys sell it. Okay, they sell it. Let me just finish with John because it wind up ending like really funny. So he gave me all these episodes and I never thought he was lying and he had this, uh, he had this wife, Stephanie, okay, that he talked about. And Stephanie was fucking other guys from him and he was so into it. And then all of a sudden he started sending me picks of Stephanie and I put them into like, you know, the internet. I saw that They were like stock photos. And I started to think like, oh, he's kind of lying, but I didn't say anything at first. I just let him go on because he was telling such a good story.

Starting point is 00:08:12 Then he got really bizarre. I mean, his later episodes towards the end when he stopped calling, like his last two episodes. I mean, his stories were so off the wall. She was like fucking these famous basketball players. And there was like a wall that you could see through. And I don't know. There was like, this is just getting so off the wall that it was like, okay, now you're not good lying anymore because these are so hard to believe.

Starting point is 00:08:34 like no one's going to believe it. I had another guy. He's gangbang Steve. He was Steve that he had the gang bangs on the hill. I mean, he was one of the best liars. And if it wasn't for the ending, like towards the end, he started talking about like all this breeding stuff and all these doctors that were impregnating his wife and her friend. And it was like, oh, God, this guy's so full of shit. It wasn't even real. You know, you knew. But he had lied so good before that I heard the episode. It's super interesting. And that's what John did over time. He became the biggest fucking liar. And it was so stupid as stuff that I started to believe it. And then on one of our last episodes, I kind of called him out on the lying because I felt like at that point, if I didn't address it, my audience was going to be like, what the fuck, Kathy?

Starting point is 00:09:13 Like, how are you not talking about the elephant in the room? So many people that believed him started to not believe him over time. Because in the beginning, he was really good. I'm telling you, listen to his first couple episodes, you're going to believe every word he said. I did. And then the crazy thing is, is he disappeared. I kept trying to get him back on. After I accused him of lying, he never came back because he was lying, right?

Starting point is 00:09:32 and then one day, I would say maybe like eight months after our last call, I got a call from, I don't, why do I think it was the police? But then sometimes I'm like, maybe it was the hotel. I don't know if it was the police or the hotel. But I get a call from either the police or the hotel asking me about this person and this phone caller and this person with this phone number and they see it on the hotel bill that they called this number so many times. And they told me it was from the holiday. in hotel in Fort Lee and that's where he was and he would tell me that he was calling from there but like someone was calling to do intel on him so now I don't know if it was his wife and that found the thing and she pretended she was the cops or the hotel but I remember somebody calling and they were trying to get information on this person whether they called me what they called me for and all this kind of stuff and I thought it was like super interesting but I've never been able to get John back on but I really learned early on that this is what guys were into and it became one of my hottest topics, like I said, you know, but my hottest topics and the most lied ones.

Starting point is 00:10:38 You know, no one never calls in and lies about cheating. No one calls in and lies about going to swinger clubs, but they all lie about hot waving because it tends to be a lot of your guy's fantasy. A lot of people who are tuning into this episode are tuning in because they want their girl to go fuck another guy. And listen, you can make that happen. I have so many episodes, okay, with guys on that are real, that are telling the truth, that it's not a fucking lie, okay, who talk about having a very vanilla wife, okay, sometimes they're like from very hardcore religious backgrounds. And over time, you know, they get them to hot wife for them. And, you know, there's different games you could play. I think the long game will always work and it is a wise one to take. A lot of guys, you know,

Starting point is 00:11:26 play the long game and that is what gets their girl to eventually do that. And listen, The long game isn't like not saying anything for 10 years. The long game is like maybe putting it out there by watching porn or telling your girl that this is a fantasy of yours, but you know, you don't ever talk about doing it in real life. And then maybe you start role playing it for years and watching porn, you know, and then, you know, discussing it in the bedroom, like I said, role playing it out for years. And then eventually maybe say, hey, do you want to do it in real life? Okay.

Starting point is 00:11:57 Now listen, I have one story of a guy that is coming up that is so effing. good. Okay. You don't want to play his game though. He thinks he was successful at it. Okay. Remember this guy. Okay. Nick. Remember Nick? Okay. Make sure to listen to his episode. And don't go off on me on the comments in Spotify. I got so heated on this episode because this guy was playing the long game with his wife and then decided to play the lying game and like trick his girl into doing something for him. And that's never the way. I mean, the best way to get your girl in reality to fuck another guy is, to ask her, but I wouldn't like put it out there in the first conversation. And I think a lot of times I get like emails from people like couples are listening to my show and talking about it, passing on episodes to each other and saying, hey, listen to this. And I think a lot of times that's a great way to start the conversation going. And that's what's needed at first. First thing is you need to be honest with your girl. This kind of turns you on. Now listen, you're not saying it turns me on and I want you to fuck my best friend. I have that story coming out. Okay. It's.

Starting point is 00:13:01 fucking killer. It's coming out tomorrow. Wait until you hear that one. Okay. All you're saying is like this kind of turns me on. Like I saw it in porn, you could say, you know, make up a reason of why you're like into it. I saw it in porn. And this is what I'm into and then see how she reacts. Most girls, okay, are going to be like, what the fuck. Because like even I, who always had a lot of guy friends and I was very open sexually and guys would tell me everything and they felt very comfortable telling me stuff because I was never like, Ew, you're such a pervert. Like, I'm just super open and I don't really care what people do sexually. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:13:33 So it doesn't matter to me. But now one, okay, ever copped to the fact that they wanted me to fuck another guy. Not one copped to me that that was the kink that they have. And there's no way that not one of them had it. Okay, even my booty club guy who I have known for many years as my friend, like 30 years, 20 years as a friend. Then I've been banging him for like seven of those years or 10 of those years. And he never admitted to me till recently that he would be into that. Now, I don't know if he never knew and it just clicked for him or he always knew and didn't want to tell me because I think a lot of times, guys, the reason why they're calling up lying to me about it or you're just listening to me talk about it, but you're never going to do it is because they're so petrified to tell their girl that they're into this because their girl is going to be like, what the fuck are you talking about? Do you know what I mean? Like it doesn't make sense. It goes against every rule that every girl thinks about, right? In life, like your guy is so jealous if you even look at another guy. Okay. I always say this on my podcast and I believe it to be true.

Starting point is 00:14:28 Like there was many times in my life that guys asked me about other guys, right? I remember one guy specifically asking me if someone else had a bigger dick than him. And I was like, oh, no, don't worry like he didn't. And by the way, a newsflash between me and you and not him. The other guy had a bigger dick, but I was never going to tell my guy, yeah, his dick was bigger than yours, okay, because they happened to know each other. But now when I look back, I'm like, oh, my God, that's what he wanted. He wanted me to get into details.

Starting point is 00:14:56 He probably wanted me to tell him it was like a bigger. dick and how good it felt and blah, blah, blah, because that's what a lot of times these guys that are into hotwifing like, they like to hear about other guys. They don't care if the guy's dick is bigger. They want to hear how turned on you are because it's all about kind of compersion. Guys love to see their girls being pleasureed. And it has a lot of times, like, guys have used the term, oh, it's like, you know, my wife has become like my porn star, you know, and it makes a lot of sense. Even me and I think it was Luna or Layla, we're talking about how recently, like we thought like maybe it is the reason why guys like hot whipping so much is because they're so

Starting point is 00:15:30 into porn right they're so set up to be very visual i like porn too i'm very visual as well and a lot of people are but guys that very much so are and i think you know they spend a lot of times like jerking off to porn and seeing women that they can never fuck in real life so when they could sit back and jerk off to their wife doing all the action for them and fucking someone it's like live porn and it happens to be their girl and they get to fuck the porn star after like i think that is like the top of the mountain for a lot of guys. A lot of times that's what it's about. It's not the MFF threesome. It's not the guy with the two girls. I remember when I was doing my book and I was picking episodes to put in there. There was one guy named Franco. Now, if you do like the male, female, female episode, you need to

Starting point is 00:16:11 listen to Franco's episode. He was so sensual. He had the hottest accent. And he got his girl to like be with so many girls and he was in bed with so many girls at the same time. And I remember my writer, guy friend being like, oh, who cares? This is like every guy's heard the story. It's not that great. You know, it's not that weird. And I'm like, no, but don't guys like it? But my publisher actually pulled Franco's story out. I thought it was great.

Starting point is 00:16:32 It is a great episode if you like guys with girls. I mean, girls were girls. But this episode is all about guys who like to watch their girl. Fuck another guy. And that's a lot of guys. Sometimes they call them stags. Sometimes they call them cucks. Stags like to watch.

Starting point is 00:16:44 They like to participate. They don't like humiliation. Cocks like humiliation. And there's different varieties and variations of cucks. The extreme cucks. I've had on my show. And then there's slight cucks. There's a guy named Jay

Starting point is 00:16:58 who was one of the first callers who, unlike John was telling the truth, he's been married to the same woman for like 50 years and she's had boyfriends and been cucking him for a very long time and he loves for her to fuck other guys.

Starting point is 00:17:12 He had a lot of cheating in his past and he was able to turn that jealousy into a turn-on and he loves cucking out and having his wife go and fuck other guys. It's not about being humiliated but he doesn't like to be there. So I would consider him

Starting point is 00:17:24 a little bit of a cuck, but not an extreme cuck. But extreme cucks, I have had them on my show. And they do like to be humiliated. They do like to be denied. And that is always to me the scariest person to be in this kind of dynamic. There's a couple of people in this dynamic, right? There's a hot wife, the stag. We're going to talk about the bull too, because I always think my bull episodes are the best. There's always the bull there, right? Or there's the hot wife and the stag and the bull. But sometimes there's a hot wife, an extreme cuckled and a bull. And I always worry for the extreme cuckled because, you know, you always have to worry like because, you know, hot wifing should be about, you know, the husband and the wife sort of reconnecting.

Starting point is 00:18:09 There is always that reclaiming. Some people don't like that word. But it is, you know, the whole purpose typically of the wife going on a fucking other guy is to go back and tell her guy or him to watch. and it's really a way of them feeling closer. She gets off on seeing him, pleasured watching her. He's getting off seeing her pleasureed by somebody else. And ultimately they come back together

Starting point is 00:18:29 and it makes their sex better and it makes them closer. Now when the extreme cock gets involved, what happens is the reclaiming goes out the window because the extreme cuck wants to be denied. He wants to be less than. He doesn't even want to get fucked after. And that becomes a problem. And it just leaves so many windows of opportunity for like,

Starting point is 00:18:48 you know, that wife to go find somebody else. I think it's a very hard line for a girl to ride. And I always, when I have an extreme cuck on my show, I always warn them to try to be moderate with it. I get if you want to be a little humiliated every now and then by your girl. I get it if you're into tease and denial. But none of that shit could be 100% of the time because no girl, okay, I promise you this, I'm a girl, I know. Okay, no girl can like humiliate a guy and never, fuck him and put him down constantly and stay she can't do all of that and stay attracted to him at the same time okay i have talked to the women that have been with the the true cocks i had one

Starting point is 00:19:31 a woman on uh who loved humiliating her husband it was a female led relationship situation it was fucking great i mean she was a scary bitch i was like oh my god and she was into it and she loved nothing more to humiliate her guy all the fucking time and do all that stuff to him and it worked for them, but I think that that's very rare and it's few and far between. Now, if you are into being cuckled and stuff, I think you just got to hold back and don't do it too extreme and make sure to reconnect and don't deny all the time because those are always the, you know, hot wifeing gone wrong stories. I have talked to more than one cuck who has lost his partner to a bull because of those exact reasons. Women, just like men, need intimacy, need closeness, need to. And,

Starting point is 00:20:17 reconnect with their partners. You need to have sex with your partner. What happens if you stop? It's like you're no different than being friends or something else. You know what I mean? Like that kind of intimacy needs to be a part of the pie, right, of your relationship. And when that is not happening and she's getting it from somewhere else, it's like scary. But typically, you know, there's cucks that don't go that far. They like a little bit of a humiliation. They like to sit on the side and be denied for a little bit, but then they love the reclaiming. And I think that that's the perfect way to be if you are a cuck. Like my cuck Jay, who loved his girl, his wife to have, she's got like two boyfriends, boyfriends, literally, you know. And he loves her to go and fuck them when he's not around and all that

Starting point is 00:20:57 kind of stuff. And he loves the tease and denial of it all. But he also loves fucking his girl, okay? And he has sex with her. And that's what it's all about. So that should be important. Stags, though, you know, sometimes want to sit and watch as well. You know, and that's what I think I get on my show a lot. A lot times I just call them all cucks, but they're really not. The stag guy does exist. He sometimes likes to get involved. A lot of guys like to get involved. I think solo play is a whole different thing and I don't ever suggest that people go straight there. I think a cuck wants to go straight there because that angst of like not being included and not knowing is sometimes a part of the turn on. And that could even be for a stag and any guy that's into hot wifing eventually

Starting point is 00:21:36 along the way they might want to take things up a notch, you know. and do things and make his, their wives go out and do it solo. Because I think unfortunately, you know, with sex, and I've heard this from people that are into all kinds of things,

Starting point is 00:21:51 the more you do something, the more it becomes very mundane and every day. And then how do you sort of make it even hotter? How do you make it even hotter? And it's by pushing the envelope and doing something a little bit more naughty, right? What's more naughty than sitting there watching your wife,

Starting point is 00:22:04 fuck a guy? Maybe it's your wife going out and fucking her and fucking the guy in a parking lot in a car. in a hotel while you watch or don't watch, you know, I've heard it all. Now, solo play definitely can work, but that's another thing that I get worried about for people sometimes because I don't think it should be the starting off point. I feel like sometimes if you start doing that too much and you're not involved if like you're not on the phone or they're not taking pictures for you

Starting point is 00:22:32 and there's a big disconnect, that disconnect could start happening in more places than just in, you know, solo play. But but, but trust me, I have talked to many people who eventually gotten into solo play and it completely works for them and they're very successful at it. But I think it's not the place where you want to start out. But I could see why it becomes hot after a while after doing it. Like even as a stag, I feel like sometimes likes that. I mean, I'm a cuck queen. Okay. They exist. Okay. It's no different than the cuck or the stag. There is no like stag word for a girl. It's every girl that likes her. guy to be with another girl and enjoys seeing that is called a cuck queen.

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Starting point is 00:27:42 seeing that is called a cuck queen. Now, I never knew that it existed. Every time I air an episode with a cuck queen on it, I get emails from girls putting it together like, oh my God, I think I'm a cook queen. I totally have that. And I always talk about how there's not enough cuck queen porn out there. All the cuck queen porn that they have out there, like, involves a lot of humiliation. And when I realize I was a cuck queen, and I'll tell you that whole story, I mean, like, I just don't, I'm not the type of girl that wants to be humiliated in the process. It's just a matter of, like, getting off on seeing my guy with somebody else. Now, I did have a cuck queen on recently who was super interesting, because she did like a little bit of the humiliation. And, you know, her and her husband, like, went on this cruise,

Starting point is 00:28:27 and they brought their unicorn with them and she set up this whole scenario where she was going to, they were going to go up, her husband and the unicorn were going to go into the room, fuck and start getting it on and then she was going to walk in on them

Starting point is 00:28:40 as if he was cheating on her and then she was being forced to watch them and humiliated and all that kind of stuff and that's what she was into, right? She was a little bit more of an extreme cuck than I am,

Starting point is 00:28:49 but I have had lots of cuck queens on and like I said, whenever I air them, girls are like, oh my God, I'm a cuck queen too. You know, I realize and put it

Starting point is 00:28:57 together, okay, when one girl called in the first one, Phoebe is a cook queen. She was one of the first people who called in and said told me her whole story about being a cut queen. I'm like, oh, I think I'm kind of into that because I started to think about the fact that I always had this booty call guy named Tommy a long time ago. I fucked him for many years and he was like the biggest player. I mean, this guy was double and triple dipping in a day. Okay, and he was one of those players. We all know them where it's so obvious they're players. You kind of think to yourself like anybody that's dating them or married them like why would you ever be with that man that he reeks

Starting point is 00:29:30 of like I fuck other women behind your back like that guy's never going to be faithful. Though Tommy is faithful now, okay, he changed but back then he was a player triple dipping on the daily basis it was so obvious that's who he was but he would still fucking lie to me. I wasn't even his girlfriend I could have cared less about him I told him about all the guys

Starting point is 00:29:46 I was with but yet no matter how many times I asked him if he was with other girls he'd be like no no no of course not I'd be like did you fuck someone else before he came here? No definitely not and at one point I said to him, you know, you don't understand. Like maybe if you told me that, it would add to this experience. You know, I had been fucking him for so long. It's like, you know, and I didn't realize that me sort of wanting to hear about the fact that him being with someone else before me. I thought it was

Starting point is 00:30:12 just because I was bored of him and I fucked him for so long that I was like something, I need something else, you know, but I think, and I know now because something else happened after that, but that was like a clue that I was into being cuckqueened and it was into being a cuck queen because like I did want to know that he was with somebody else. that would have made it hotter to me that he was just with somebody else before he came to see me. And then one time, and I've told the story before my booty cold guy sent me a video of him fucking someone else. And I was like immediately turned on. I was like, I never experienced such a turn on before my life.

Starting point is 00:30:39 And that's when I put it together like, oh yeah, unlike all these other girls I call in and talk about being a cuck queen. So it can be for women to tons of women are cuck queens. And whenever I air episodes, they talk about I always get emails from girls like, oh, I'm a cuck queen too. And I will say one thing, there's not like enough cuck queen porn out there. And I always get women agreeing with me on that too when I talk about that. I once had a woman on from Afterglow, which is like a porn site made for women by women. And I was like, why don't you create more cuck queen porn for women? Because typically the cut queen porn on there is all like humiliation and a woman being cheated on and stuff. It's never, it's like set up the way I would want it have set up. There's not a lot of it out there. But I think that just like men wanting to see their wives with somebody else, there are plenty of women that have that kink too. And maybe they don't even know it. Like I said,

Starting point is 00:31:33 maybe my friend didn't know that he had that kink and it just clicked. Sometimes that can happen. I never knew I was a cuck queen until I heard about it. And then I started putting the pieces together. And I'm like, oh, that's me too. And maybe you're listening to this and you're like, oh yeah, I want to see my girl fuck somebody else. And like I said, you need to start out with role playing.

Starting point is 00:31:51 I always recommend a fucking machine or toys. you could start pretending that there is another guy in the bedroom. And then you can bring up. Like I had a great episode recently of a guy who was right on the verge of telling his wife that he wanted to move this role play fantasy hot wife's scenario that they were playing out in the bedroom really hardcore. She was into it to real life. And I gave him three weeks.

Starting point is 00:32:13 I said, you got to do it in three weeks. Bring up the conversation. And he never did. And I gave him grace because, you know, three weeks isn't a long time. But, you know, you do have to go there eventually with your girl. And as a woman, okay, I'm a woman, I know. If I'm with a guy for a real long time, this is the, you know, father of my babies, my husband. I've been with him since the long time.

Starting point is 00:32:33 Even if it's two years, this is the guy I hung my hat with. Like if he tells me this is what he wants to do in real life and I'm like, fuck you, I would never. I'm not going to like break up with him. It's not going to be like a deal breaker. Maybe she'll shoot you down and be like, no fucking way, right? Probably most likely the first time she'll say no. And I've heard that story. The woman says no first and then eventually she's doing it.

Starting point is 00:32:53 But I don't think that a woman is going to lose all respect and all that, especially if you are playing the long game and started out with just revealing this as a fantasy, role playing it out in the bedroom, and then eventually saying, hey, would you want to do it in real life? Like I said, the worst thing that's going to happen. She's going to be like, no fucking way. She is going to have a lot of questions for you. One of the number one things women want to know is they think it's a trap. Okay. So many women like me think that every guy wants to see them with another woman and that they also think that their guy just wants to fuck every other girl that passes by. on the street, right? And a lot of guys are like that. But these guys that are into hot

Starting point is 00:33:26 wifing aren't, okay? So many women don't believe their guy, okay, when he says, no, I just want to see you with another guy. They think it's about that guy starting off there and angling to the point that he wants to get to be with another woman. And that's never the case. 99% of the guys that are into hot wifing don't want to fuck other women. So if your girl listening to this and your guy has brought it up, I promise you, if he tells you he's not into doing it with women. He is telling the truth. Guys call me, call me up a night. anonymously. I don't have anything to do with them. I'm not married to them. I'm dating them. They have no reason to lie to me. So I get the truth. Okay. And the truth is these guys are not interested. And so you could believe them. And I think it's very important to know that that's one of the first things the girl is going to think. And you have to tell her. And that's where I do think that podcast episodes are a good place to start. You could be like listen to these other guys that are into this. Listen to this podcast where they have couples on. Listen to these women. And I also think a lot of times like women, you know, know we have that whole slut word that we have to deal with and we're petrified of like going really

Starting point is 00:34:27 full into our sexuality and being totally slutty quote unquote and you know doing all kinds of sex because god forbid we're looked at as less than because we like fucking sex that's always been the problem so a lot of girls are super repressed because of that and I think sometimes it's really great for a woman who maybe is on the fence and like maybe wants to try it you know and do it but is afraid like oh how am I going to feel about myself what does that mean like if she hears another woman And especially the women of my show, I've talked to so many who were like totally vanilla, like I said, religious, sexless marriages, you name it. I've heard it all.

Starting point is 00:34:59 And now they're like sleeping with other guys for their husband and they couldn't be happier. So sometimes I think it's also helpful for them to hear the women speaking to know that other women have done it and they feel okay about themselves and it only empowered them and it brought them closer to their husband and all that kind of good stuff. I just think eventually when you get after role playing, if you want to make it a reality, you have to put it out there. And if you can't, then I think a good place. to go after wanting it to become a reality

Starting point is 00:35:26 if your girl is never in person going to do anything. I've heard of couples that have done other creative things. I have one guy who haven't aired him yet, but it's super great. His name is Ray. He got permission, okay? This was all consensual to share his pictures of his wife with other guys. He asked her first.

Starting point is 00:35:43 She said, okay. And he gets tons of guys ogling his wife. And his wife liked it. She realized she likes like the attention she gets. She doesn't like to go on there and talk to the guys or anything like that, but she does like to ask him like how many likes her pictures get and stuff. And that kind of makes her feel better about herself. So that's an option to ask your girl, but don't ever do it without her fucking consent. I know guys do it, but that's not effing cool. And that's where you need to listen to Nick's episode. Remember I told you about Nick? Wait until you here fucking Nick. Okay, I went mental on him. You can't do it without her consent. But you could say, hey, do you mind if I posted you very anonymously? And this guy, okay, Ray, he said, because I overthink things too. He's like, I make sure nothing in the background shows our house. You know, she doesn't have any tattoos. I don't show her face. Nothing is going to let anyone know who she is and I could post those picks and that's what he does. So that's an option. That's

Starting point is 00:36:34 pretty safe and you're never crossing the line. I know couples who have been into that and instead of like crossing the other line like one couple, they got a fucking machine and so that's very realistic to role play. And then they started they went a little bit further, but they started actually sending videos and stuff to another couple and watching it back and forth. You know what I mean? So that's another way, like sort of having online situations, but not going further or just sharing stuff like that guy online videos or whatever. And your wife could get into it too. That's a next step if you want to go. And maybe that's the farthest you'll ever go. Or maybe the furthest you'll ever go is fantasy. But you could always try and put it out there. I have so many success stories of people being

Starting point is 00:37:17 able to go and sort of seal the deal. I think the other part of this dynamic is finding the right bull because that's going to make all the difference for your girl. Okay, I have talked to professional bulls on my show. I love a bull episode. It's very interesting. Out of all of the people in the story, the hot wife, the cuck, the stag, the bull. The hot wives and the guys who fuck them are the most highly downloaded. And the lowest downloads are always the bull. And I never understand it because I feel like the bull, first of all, is always like got the best position in that scenario, right? He's like fucking the guy's wife. Doesn't a lot of guys, don't a lot of guys have that kink?

Starting point is 00:37:53 It turns out, I don't think so, not so much. They want to be the other guy in the scenario, right? That's why they're listening to the Stag and Cuck episodes. But the bull episodes are super interesting because, you know, the real successful bulls that I have been on, have on my show, they talk about how they work the wives. And it is very important. You know, no woman, women are very, are wired, very, very difficult. different from men. Okay, we're not just going to walk in a room and see a guy that we never met before

Starting point is 00:38:17 and look at his package. And if he's got a bulge where we get like wet for him and we want to fuck him. Okay, there's got to be connection there. And it doesn't have to be romance. It doesn't have to be anything more than a fucking, just a connection, but you got to connect on some level. And that's what these bulls know. They know how to wrap to the women ahead of time, make them feel good, make them feel confident. The right bull will talk to the guy and get all the information. about his girl. He'll also befriend the guy, the right bull, the successful bull, the bulls that know what the fuck they're doing. They will be very effing cool with the husbands, as they should be, no different than the unicorn that's going in to fuck some wife's husband. If she's acting all weirded out, like that wife's not going to feel secure with her. You know what I mean? You got to make the guy feel secure if you're going to fuck her wife. And the bulls who know what they're fucking doing, that's what they do. But they also work the girl. And foreplay for her girl besides going down, her is talk, okay? Talk, compliments, texting. I had a great couple who listened to my show

Starting point is 00:39:20 and actually wound up soliciting one of the Bulls who were on my show to fuck the wife. And let me tell you, they talked about how it was the most amazing situation because Mr. Bull, who was on my show, you go listen to his episodes, he finessed the wife. There was a lot of texting and FaceTiming and all that kind of good stuff beforehand. So by the time she met him, she felt like she had a connect with them. And like I said, the connection for women, women don't need to be in love with someone to fuck them, okay? We're not wired that way. We're wired to just like the connection when we say connection and we got to like them in some way or feel comfortable because a woman has a lot of things she feels uncomfortable about it. Women is like way more vulnerable when she takes her clothes off than a guy.

Starting point is 00:40:01 You know, she's got someone entering in her. She's got so many more body parts than a guy to expose. You know, she's so much judged on so much more stuff than guys are. So women, you know, for them to take off their clothes and let a man enter them as such a more vulnerable position than a man. So she needs that connection. And like I said, that connection is just feeling comfortable with a guy feeling like she knows him. And the right kind of bull will do that. The wrong kind of bull is very easy to come by. I've heard a lot of bull gone wrong stories. Typically not from the bulls who call in, but from the couples you call in. I mean, and that's the thing about being a couple if you want to get into hot whiffing too. You are going to sometimes have to work hard to find the right bull.

Starting point is 00:40:40 Okay, they're not, they're few and far between. You know, I have heard of couples who have got the best bull ever, like right off the bat. And I've heard from many couples who get bad bulls many times before they find the right one. There's a lot of guys out there that are looking to F other guys' wives. They're online. You as a couple go online on one of these websites. Go to SDC.com. I have a code 37712.

Starting point is 00:41:04 You could go in there, get a free trial, sign up. There's tons of couples on there. There's tons of bulls. You want to, you know, get your wife to fuck another. guy go on to STC use my trial like I said 3771-2 or go to the description click on the link but you might have to work hard to find it you put yourself as a couple you're looking for a guy to fuck your wife you put you know hot picks of your wife without her face on it don't put your face on it okay you're gonna get a lot of guys emailing you it's best to get your wife involved you know a lot of

Starting point is 00:41:30 times everyone's different you know um sometimes the wife doesn't want to talk at all ahead of time she just wants the guy to set it up you know maybe she is just gonna fuck it when she gets there some People just want to, women want to be blindfolded. They don't want to know anything. They just want to fuck a stranger and maybe that's how they feel okay. I don't know, but you have to get the details of how your wife's going to feel the most comfortable. But a lot of times it is great if she's involved in sorting through the people. And then, you know, you got to worry about the flakes and stuff.

Starting point is 00:41:56 A lot of guys will, you know, waste your time. This is the stuff that I've heard. Like a lot of bulls wasting time, texting back and forth and then the couple goes and even like, you know, books the hotel room. And then the fucking person doesn't show up. And that happens more than it doesn't. So a lot of times what people say they learn the hard way is not to go first time book a hotel and do that. You know what I mean? Sort of meet the person out for a drink.

Starting point is 00:42:18 And then if it's going well and you want to fuck them the first night, go get a hotel on the spot. But don't book ahead of time because you don't know what's going to happen. Sometimes these bulls show up and they can't get it up. That's a problem I've heard of. Sometimes they're not really good lovers. I mean, typically the bulls that I talk to, the very successful ones are very sensual, very, you know, very into pleasing the woman type of guys. That's just what it is.

Starting point is 00:42:44 And they make the woman feel comfortable. And they make the woman feel like a woman feel like a guy is so fucking into her. You know what I mean? And the right bull will do that. A guy off the street sometimes doesn't know how to do that, right? Like sometimes it's just some young guy that just wants to fuck a woman and he thinks he's just going to go in, bam, bam, thank you ma'am. And that's not going to work.

Starting point is 00:43:04 A woman's going to need more than that. But I will tell you, if you get to that point, and that could happen. You know, it really is top of the mountain for the first time to see your girl. This is what they say, like with her eyes rolling in the back of her head being pleasureed by another guy. Now, listen. Will you get there ever? You can.

Starting point is 00:43:23 Okay. I'm here to say you can. Now, are you weird for liking this? No. Are you less than a man of liking this? No. That's another weird thing, a myth out there. Like, oh, you know, the word cuck is like a word my 10-year-old uses to put down guys like, oh, he's a cuck.

Starting point is 00:43:38 I was like, where the fuck did you learn that? I guess on YouTube, you know, guys are using the word cuck like you had put down. You know, even extreme cucks are not losers. You know, they're just guys that are into like a fucking kink, you know, it's just in the bedroom. That's what they want to do. But a guy that allows his wife to go and fuck other people by no means is weak or anything. A guy, in order to do that, a guy has to actually be very secure in himself. Now, the last thing I will say is I have heard of guys having their first.

Starting point is 00:44:08 experience and not feeling okay about it. I just had somebody make a comment on Spotify like, oh, I finally did it. We crossed the line and I didn't, I didn't, I wasn't ready for like the bad feelings that came up and you have to know that that can happen. But it doesn't mean you have to abandon ship. I have had many stories where the first couple of times, whatever it was, the couple did, whether it was hot wife or even swinging, you know, people have weird feelings about it right after, but especially in the hot wiping scenario. I have heard from men who have felt very insecure after the first time. I just taped a woman.

Starting point is 00:44:40 She's going to be on Veronica. And she told me a whole scenario about her guy flipping the fuck out after the first time. And he like set up the whole thing. Okay, but he flipped the fuck out. But they got over it. And that can happen. It doesn't mean you have to abandon ship. I had a really amazing episode with a guy who talked about how the fact that this

Starting point is 00:44:58 hot waving thing brought up all these vulnerable things in him and he was able to talk to his wife about them. Because like when you have those vulnerable feelings as a man, you got to put them someplace. And the only place to put them is you can't go to your guy friends and be like, oh my God, I'm so jealous. My wife, fuck this guy we found online. I mean, you can't go to your guy friend. You got to go to your wife and you got to talk to her about it. And just talking to that, her about your feelings and you feeling vulnerable and working through it with her. I mean, to me, what I've heard from guys is it not only helps and they get past it and they've been able to move

Starting point is 00:45:29 forward and be okay with it and those feelings subsided. It has made them feel closer to their wives. Okay, you know, most men don't feel comfortable being vulnerable. And the guys who said that they felt vulnerable through this experience, weren't the kind of guys that ever felt vulnerable before either. It was a really weird experience for them. But once they went there and they were able to express it to their wives, they only felt closer because of it and they were able to work through it. And there's plenty of stories. So if you're afraid and a lot of people are going in of how you're going to feel, what's most important is you need to know that you're with a partner, that you are able to communicate with. You've been with them.

Starting point is 00:46:05 long enough time to feel comfortable talking to them because maybe feelings will come up and that's okay. It's just a matter of talking them out and that's typically the way people get through them. I've heard many situations where people felt very bad in the beginning. We're able to get past it and move on and are hot wiping and never to look back and never to have those bad feelings again. And that's true. Okay. Like I said, I have talked to so many people at this point over 1400 and I do the hot wiping, cuck stories, stagg stories, cuck queen stories, because I know it's like a hot topic and it's a big thing.

Starting point is 00:46:38 You know, I'd love for someone to do a study on like, how many guys prefer the two girls together or their girl fucking other guy, like if they had to do either. What is their biggest thing that they would do this? I'm going to do that poll on Spotify. I'm going to do it on my Patreon. Now I do a lot of polls on my Patreon. It's super fun.

Starting point is 00:46:54 I always like to know what people think. I'm like into psychology, so I like this kind of stuff. You know, I personally think from doing my show that more guys are into seeing their girl with another guy than they are with another girl. I think guys love that, but I think top of the mountain is the other guy thing. Let me know what you think. If you're going to make a comment on Spotify, make sure they're clean. I can't post any comments that have like naughty stuff in there. So make your comment as clean as possible. Okay, that's like super important.

Starting point is 00:47:22 But anyway, it always, I feel like I can't breathe when I do these episodes and I just talk by myself. I could actually keep talking for like another hour. That's the thing about me. I'm a fucking talker. But anyway, I hope you enjoyed this episode. I have great episodes coming up this week. So anyway, thanks for tuning in. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly anonymous confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available, not only in paperback and e-book, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like, there's a

Starting point is 00:48:09 hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck story. There's a gang being girl story. Like I said, 17 stories. And they're all told in the third person, and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person. And I wouldn't, really call it like a total erotica book. Think like penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories. 17 of them. They're really short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format. And finally, the audiobook is available. coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or

Starting point is 00:49:00 pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint. Okay. There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay. I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other. And that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you can win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private, like I said. All you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook,

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Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1397 - Hotwives, Stags, Cucks, Cuckqueans & More w/Kathy

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