Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1407 - Kevin Finally Got his Wife Into Hotwifing

Episode Date: March 25, 2026

Kevin finally got his wife into wanting to hotwife and he Calle din to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how and why he never felt like his penis was big enough and how that led to him getting into hotwifing, when and how he copped to being into it to his wife and what how she reacted at first, how and why their sex life started tanking, the “list” he made for her of things he wanted her to try to spice things up, how and why she never tended to the list and how he reacted, how they had been dirty talking about her with another guy and how that led to her flirting with a guy and how he felt about it, the rules they came up with for her first hook up, what she liked about the guy, how and why he flaked and why probably try to find someone else, how and why wife isn’t looking for another guy and how he can get her to look for someone else plus a whole lot more. GET A COPY OF THE STRICTLY ANONYMOUS BOOK! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY HERE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To see HOT pics of KEVIN & HIS WIFE plus myother female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712   Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show." Want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. All voices are changed.   Sponsors: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://LoadBoost.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — To get 10% off LOAD BOOST by VB Health use code: STRICTLY ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beducate.me/pd2610-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Click here to take the quiz and  get your personalized roadmap to sexual happiness ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.quince.com/strictlyanon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — For premium quality Quince clothing plus FREE shipping and 365 day returns! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Get 10% OFF your first month of Bluechew GOLD! Use code: STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://inda.shop/STRICTLY!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ If you’re 21 or older, get 40% OFF your first order @IndaCloud with code STRICTLY Follow me! Instagram  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Kevin's a guy that is very into his wife, hot-wifing. The reason for him getting into it was super interesting and started with him like sort of never feeling like his penis was big enough. He explains how small, big, whatever it really is. And how that led to him feeling like he wanted his wife to be with someone who had a bigger dick so she could be more pleasureed. He talks about like all the toys that they used and all the stuff that they did and how he realized she is more turned on when she has is more filled up quote on code. And then,

you know, he talks about how at a certain point in their marriage, they went through like a kind of a tough time because she wasn't like initiating sex. And he put together like a list of what he really wanted. And that whole situation of how he did it and what was on the list and how he sent it to her is super interesting because I think it was a very smart thing that he did. And another smart thing that he did is he didn't just let that list go. He gave it to her, said do some of these things. He explains the details about it. And she didn't really. follow the instructions. You're going to have to listen to hear the instructions. And so, but he kept on her, you know, and then she met a guy organically. And the whole hot wiping thing was on the fucking table.

Okay, like for real. Like she was down. She was ready. This is a girl with a guy. They've been married since the dawn of time. Okay. She's never been with anyone else. He's never been with anyone else. Finally going to live out their hot waving fantasy. And this guy has fucking flaked on them like many times. That whole story is actually really interesting about how she met the guy. how she got into him and how and why he flaked is super interesting too. And then at the end we give him advice. I give him advice on how to, you know, find another guy because her wife is a little stuck on this guy and she's not looking for another guy.

But he needs to find another guy because they were so close. So close. This guy, though, is flaking and is not interested anymore. So it's a super fun, interesting newbie episode. I think people could learn from episodes like this where the guys are really in the beginning stages of things because so many guys are. So anyway, I'm going to get right to and be right back on with Kevin. Kevin, welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast.

How are you today? Good. How are you, Kathy? Good. Listen, Kevin. You're one of those fucking guys. I can't even believe. It's like it's multiplying.

It's like a cancer spreading across the country. I don't know. I think so many guys are into the whole hot wiping thing. And then I did a poll on my Patreon recently just so you know. Are more guys into like seeing their wife with another guy or a girl? And a girl won out on my Patreon. But I'm like, what the fuck is with all these guys emailing me about getting their girl to be with another guy? It's like, to me, I just feel like it's so ramp up.

But maybe just on my show. You are someone that listens to my show. You also are a guy that is close to getting your girl to hot wife because you have a guy that just keeps flaking out on you. Right? That's the end of the story, right? So obviously she's down. But we're going to talk about the whole story of how you got there and where you're at now and maybe how to get a bull that doesn't fucking flag. I don't know what, you know, if I have to give you advice at the end of things.

I know that some sort of argument got turned things around and got you into just revealing everything or something, I don't know. Tell me the whole straight. Let's go all the way back. How long you and your wife been married? Oh, we've been married for 20 years. Okay, 20 years. And together and together for 28. Okay, so together forever. Have you guys been with other people?

Or do you lose your virginities to each other? Exactly. Oh, wow. That's hardcore, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so you lost your virginity to each other, then got married, never fucked anybody else. You, not you, not her. And you don't have a desire, I'm assuming, like your kink is this, like seeing your girl with another guy? Yeah, correct. Well, I think, like, we can go back if you want afterwards, but I think this all comes out

because, like, I'm going to be a completely like, I'm four inches on a good day. So, like, you have small penis. Do you feel like that's too small? All right, let me ask you this, four inches and thin or four inches and thick or four inches and a normal? An average. Four inches and average. Okay, four inches in average.

Okay. Your wife is fine with that. Maybe she has a small vagina. Has she always been okay with that? well she's had two C-sections so it's always been tight so there you go yeah so it's good for her I remember I had a friend once who she met a guy and he was really hot and weren't on the street was like he wasn't really that well endowed and she's like I don't care I have a small vagina I love it so you know there's everyone thinks everyone's a size queen but that's not necessarily true that's my whole point right your wife is obviously happy and fine but you have an issue with the size of your penis I'm assuming well yeah I always like like a lot of guys that point into your your show like my wife is my porn star right like when i watch porn like i'd imagine her getting by by those guys right and and for me it's more i like my goal is always every time we're

having sex my goal is to always give my wife the best orgasm she's ever had and like clitorily like she'll have multiple orgasms and i can get her off that way but i just feel like we have toys and stuff like that and whenever like i break up the big toys like she comes harder than she's ever come with me fucking her so like i like my dream is like they get a guy with a nice cock to like just fuck her and give her the best orgasm ever. Like to me, that's like the top of, that's the mountaintop for me. Yeah, I used to wonder, because a lot of guys that have this kink do like the guy to be quote unquote bigger than them, whether they're four inches or seven inches.

You know what I mean? The bigger, the better. And I always wonder, does that mean that guy's like secretly into cock and wants to see a big cock because it's like, no, it's because typically, if a girl is being more filled up, like on, you know, there's just more things that are being hit and more nerve endings that are getting activated that she winds. up, you know, eyes rolling in the back of her head more. And that's what it's all about for the guys, correct? Like, that's what it's about. It's not about the cock to you seeing a bigger cock. It's about

her being more turned on. Exactly. It's like, just seeing her, like, like, I can tell, like, when I'm, when I'm fucking, like, without, like, an extender or without a deal or something, I can tell I'm not, like, hitting spots, like, that she wants to be hit. And I, like, I just, I would, like, it's my dream that have a guy just, like, hit those spots and just, like, make her come better than I ever have. Like I said, she's my porn star. And I want to see her, like, get off. Yeah, it's funny. In a recent ad I did for Bedricade, someone made some weird comment because I said in the thing, like, isn't your wife's pleasure like the point of everything? But what I meant was that I typically, and a lot of people think guys are so fucking selfish. But I'm here to say like, no, they're not selfish. Typically what I think guys are are pleasers. They want their, it is about their girl getting pleasureed. Most guys care. They want the girl to get off. You know what I mean? Every now and then you'll find a guy that doesn't fucking give a shit. Maybe after, you know, 30 years of marriage is the truth. But most guys are pleasers. And the big, the big, the big. biggest turn on to them is turning their girl on, right? Like, that's what you get off on.

So it is important, right? That's what I meant by it. Not that it's only cares whether she. No, I'm not saying you are. I'm saying that fucking asshole that made the comment. No, but, and also for me, like, early on, like in my, like, when I was like a teenage, like, I knew I had a small dick. So like, I all, like, right, like, so even with all, like, I know you have those ads

from, basically like the Netflix of sex. But even for me, like, I was always, yeah, veggie care. Like, I was always like a guy, even my teenage. teenage years like I wanted I like don't know how I use the clip like I am like a master like of the clit. That's smart. That's smart. Yeah. So so so yeah, we can get into it afterwards. But even with this guy, I don't really feel I don't feel threatened that my wife would ever even like we have a life together like you know we like that's not like a fear for me. And also because if this is like just one offs and I know that that guy will then maybe like fuck her good and give her something

that I probably can never give her. But like, I know that my click game, like, he won't be able to do better than me, like, at that time they meet, because I know all my wife's spots. I know what gets her off. Like, this guy's coming in to dick her down, but like all the other stuff, I know that guy's not going to, because I have 28 years of experience to my wife, and I know her spots. And no guy coming in is going to do that. So I don't feel threatened at all. And about another guy. Plus, you obviously have all the other pieces of the pie that are involved in a relationship and they're all solid, correct? Like, that's important. Women don't go. No woman is going to leave their man because another man is better in bed. If she's fucking another guy and he's better in bed, it has to be that he's also nicer to her. Her husband has been ignoring her. She fucking hates him.

She's been over him for three years. And then it comes along this guy who's great and bed and she leaves her husband. But she didn't leave her husband because the guy was great and bad. Okay. She left her husband for a thousand other reasons. And that just was the kicker. But no woman, if you and your wife are super close like you are, right? And you have everything else going on.

she's not going to leave you if some guy bangs her out better. That's not how women are. I don't even think men are that way. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, so you're secure. And I think that's important to say because some people would think like, oh, my God, what if the guy's better, she's going to leave you?

I mean, really think that through. That's like ridiculous. You guys have a life together. I'm assuming you have kids. You bought a house together. I mean, like, who's going to leave someone just for better dick? Most people know. And if they do, it's not for better dick.

Like I said, it was because there was more problems at home in the other pieces of the pie that are much more important to a relationship staying together. together, not dick size. That's right. Yeah, I mean, you know, so, and you guys have been married since a dawn of time, you know, you guys are the rare breed of people, but they exist, right? People that get married from day one, first person and last their whole life, right? No one's going anywhere.

So I think there's a security in that kind of a relationship that some people don't have. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I agree with them. Yeah, we're, we're, like, getting here, like, took, took a while. Like, we had our ups and balance, but like, we- Isn't that normal? Yeah, yeah. isn't ups and downs in any relationship normal?

I think so. Any relationship that last 20 years, double-digit years, you know, people go through tough times, right? And you did go through a tough time, right? And this is how this whole hot wiping thing come back, right? I'm trying to get us. I'll get us back on the course, because I'm taking you off course. But I want to get to this whole thing.

I mean, did you, when did you realize, like, should we start with like when you realized you were into this? Kink was it always because you had a small penis? Like you always sort of thought about that? Yeah. So that's like, so like, I, I, I feel like when I like the first time I saw her like I fell in love like right away. Yeah.

I was head of our heels, right? Yeah. So I was felt like I really married up. But I was never really, you know, threatened by other guys. Even when other guys would like look at my wife or whistle, like, I feel proud. I'm like, yeah, she's with like. Yeah. Like she's my wife.

And I guess for me like the first time I realized that, you know, I was really like into this. I don't know if you remember the movie Summer of Sam with John Lewis. Yeah. But there's a scene. There's a scene in that movie where he goes with Mirre Sorvino to like a sex club. and his wife is getting, they get like high, and his wife is like fucking like another guy. And I saw that and like, I said to myself,

I would love to see my wife. I would love to see that happen with my wife. Like that clicked for you. Yeah, that, that's when like it clicked in for me. And again, it's something that, it's something that I thought about for, like, forever. And then, of course, COVID comes along and, you know, you start exploring, you have time on your hand.

And then I start like, how was your sex life during that time? It was, you know, it's been, it was pretty, vanilla like I buy toys like I you know we we I think I'd tie her up you know do stuff like that but it was pretty pretty vanilla like I was always the one like initiate me like my my wife wasn't someone who's going to you know initiate these things it was it was more me like you know she was never she never said like no to things like there's certain things that like no goes like she doesn't like to get you know come on her face you know like we can get we get

to anal play afterwards but like anal's been like a no no for her you know like every guy every guy wants But, like, it was pretty vanilla. Like, we used toys and stuff like that. Some, like, tying up, but, like, nothing crazy. Okay. And so the COVID comes and you got nothing but time on your hands and you guys are and, and the kids are home. So, like, the sex grows like off a cliff, right?

Okay. It's not happening. And so my thing, and my wife takes, like, some anxiety drugs. Oh, that doesn't help. Yeah. So that, so that that kills like the libido and stuff, right? So there was a time there from the time after we had our second child. until like during COVID were like my wife like never initiated like out of like you know 50 times

having sex she initiated maybe once was really really one-sided and as you've other other callers said to you in the past you know when you started like questioning yourself am I doing something wrong like am I not enough for hers like is like is that what it is like and then of course I have my anxiety over you know over like the size of my penis right and like you know I'm and no I'm in order to make up for that like I'm buying new toys. I'm buying all these other things to try to get her engaged in sex. Right. She's not like, I'm buying these toys and she's like, I like, she's never asking to use the toys or anything like that. I started to think of myself like, what the hell am I doing wrong here? Mm-hmm. Okay, guys, I have the best product to tell you about and it's called Load Boost by

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Just go to the description. Click on the link and use my code strictly. Am I not enough for hers? like, is that what it is? Like, and then, of course, I have my anxiety over, you know, over like the size of my penis, right? And like, you know, I'm in order to make up for that, like, I'm buying new toys. I'm buying all these other things to try, like, to get her engaged in sex. Right.

She's not like, I'm buying these toys. And then she's like, I like, she's never asking to use the toys or anything like that. I started to think of myself like, what the hell am I doing wrong here? Mm-hmm. So. Go on. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, so they, what am I doing wrong here? So did you ask her?

Yeah, so yeah, I asked her where we like, like we have fights and stuff like that. Never it gets like the one time where I like I just blow up on my wife. I'm like, you know, we, you know, I'm doing all this stuff, you know, initiating all the time. You're not like giving anything back what's going on here. Right. We have like a big blow up about it. Like I said, so whatever, we have that blow up. And after what I did was I took like, I wrote down like a list of like all the kinks and all the fantasies that, you know, that are in my head. And some of them like were like really like tame like, you know, take a nude, whatever. Initiate sex. And all the way up to, you know, watching you get like fucked by another guy and like doing deep that best doing DP. Like so it was a whole like across the board everything across the board. Yeah. So. Yeah. So I said, yeah. So I said, you know, like. You must have been in the mindset of fuck it. I don't give a shit. I'm putting it all out there. well like Kathy after you're 25 plus

serious like there's a level of comfort there where like you can you can say that right like not really you waited a long time that if the comfort was there you would have let it out a long time ago you were COVID made us all mental okay you were pushed over the ledge and it got you the balls to fucking put it out there because I don't think that there's a comfort level

sort of telling someone that you know for a long time something that you never told them from the beginning I actually think that's actually harder and that's what sometimes people go out and cheat and do all their naughty things with us stranger than tell their person that they know for 20 years. So I'm sorry. Normally that comfort that I don't think that's comfortable. I think you were just pushed to your limit and COVID made us all mental and you're like, I got nothing to lose. I'm just going to fucking tell her. What's she going to do? Go out

and get COVID and leave me. So we have this big blow up whatever. Like, and she, she accuses me of like, like, like, having an affair with another woman. And that really set me off because I'm like, I'm here all the time. I don't go anywhere. Like, tell me where I found the time to have like this affair. So I, so. You make a list and then what happens? So after that I say, look, going forward like whenever it's like an anniversary or Christmas or anything else, I told her, I don't want anything.

Like I don't want a gift. I want you just to pick one of these things from here and just do them. And that is my gift. You don't have to do anything else. Just here. These are now the ABCs of me. Just do these things. And I don't care.

Yeah, guys are kind of so easy, right? Yeah. So she sends a couple of news, whatever, but then it's sort of like, it falls off, right? Do you ever question you about that shit on the list? Well, she said, like, there's some things that, like, are just not going to happen, right? I'm like, that's fine. I'm like, it's just a list. Like, I'm like, when I sold, like, when I wrote that list, like, I knew there were things that there that were, like, never going to happen.

So I asked her, like, so going forward, like I said, holidays, whatever, just go from the, like, But then, you know, it's not really happening. Like things are coming. We go away for a weekend and like I'm anticipating, okay, she's going to do one of these things from this list and she doesn't do it. And I, at first I'm like, you know, because I know I'm just trying to get her there. Like she's really finella. She's not, you know, like she was not really exposed like to sex like growing up. Like even when we first started dating, she had never like really masturbated before.

And she was like 19 years old. So, so like I'm like I'm not yelling. I'm like, you know, like we went away like one one weekend. And I'm like, are you planning on doing anything from that list? And she was like, no, I'm like, well, I said to her like, this list is like really important to me. Like it shows that, you know, like, I'm putting all this effort in. I need to see some effort coming back.

I said they're like, like, you don't have to, it doesn't have to be 50, 50 with the initiation or anything like that. But like, it's got to be like 70, 30 or something like that. So I was like really nice about it. And she said, okay, okay, okay. And then Christmas came. Well, let me just tell you another key thing that you're doing right. And I'm just pointing these things out because these are all important for other guys to

know because I can't tell you how many times a guy brings something to the table and his girl like forgets about it or doesn't do it and doesn't listen and then he just never brings it up again. Like you have to do what you did which is like okay you did your job right but then she slacked off and she wasn't doing hers and you brought it up again like you're not letting it go and that's kind of unfortunately what you have to do and a lot of times a guy thinks oh I'm going to tell her once and if she doesn't fucking do it oh forget it you know what I mean? No sometimes it takes a while to get somebody to change their habits. She was in a habit of not doing any of things. So you have to like kind of push her to do it. And you were, you weren't letting up. And I think that that's smart. I mean, you weren't being annoying about it. You know what I mean? You're being very

nice about it. But you didn't just let it go and be like, oh, forget it. You know what I mean? Yeah. So after Christmas comes this year and, you know, I'm expecting something from the list. And again, nothing from the list. So. Oh my God. Even for fucking Christmas? I mean, that's the time for the presents. So, so I got like, I got really annoyed. Instead of like talking about it like what I did is like I took out like all the toys I had bought all the lingerie I'd bought all the stuff and I put it like on our bed like the thousands of dollars I'm like I said like this is like all the stuff that I've done for our sex like all I'm asking is like for a nude or for something and like you can't even do this shit for me what are we doing here so like I

I blow we had good makeup sex after that but that's when she starts talking with this guy on Facebook. And that's when things really, like, it's been like the best six weeks. What do you mean? She starts talking to the guy on Facebook because she takes the one thing on that list, which is go find another guy and fucking for me and that's what she chooses. I don't know,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're right. You're right. I'm not that way property. So, uh, she runs a business. So when, so through like the soliciting there, I guess there was this like, some guy who like found her and started flirting with her online. And this guy was like right up her alley as far as like what she's looking for. and a guy, you know, like really fit,

younger, you know, like 5-8, 5-9, like I'm short, I'm in good shape, but I'm short. So she starts talking to say, and this guy starts flirting with her. So this is just out of the blue. It has nothing to do with your list. And there's nothing to do with my list. Just out of the blue, this guy initiates with her.

And so she, and I guess, I guess coming off that blow up that we had, she realizes, oh, this is something that, you know, that I want. So I'm going to engage in this and see how goes. Like, this is, I guess, in her mind, you know, this is relatively like, a safe thing to do.

Like, so she started doing this. What other things did you have that she chose go fuck another guy? I, I, I, I, did you have like on the other list that was like seemed to be more hardcore? Okay, okay. So, okay. So, okay, so let me back. Let me back.

I don't, I'm not following you. So, like, so throughout, like, I never gave up, like, the, uh, the mountaintop from me, which is her having sex with another guy. So even like when we were having sex, like I had whisper in her ears, like the fantasies that I had and I'd tell her stories. and, you know, I'd use that AI to, like, write stories and share them with her regarding, like, we're, like, we go to a sex club and she fucks another guy or we fuck in front of other people. And, you know, just all these things to show, like, this is something that I really want to show her, like, this isn't just some sort of, like, passing fancy for me. This is, like, the ultimate, like, because, like, most women that call into your show, she thought there's some sort of play for me to fuck another woman.

Yeah, well, you got to tell those things. I mean, you acted as if she never even questioned that, that comment on the thing. Yeah. Yeah. So, and after I think she realized that, oh, really, he, he doesn't want another woman. He just really wants me to have sex another guy. So in her mind, I guess after all this lead up and writing these stories and talking to her and, you know, like we'd be having sex and. And I would be telling me. Oh, my God. You just said, you jumped to the guy and all of this was going on after the note. So after the note, she starts asking that and you guys start role playing this, the extra guy, the side guy scenario? Well, I had been role-playing the side guy scenario for a while, even before we had that blow up over the holidays. So I had been like, but every time that we were doing that kind of roleplay where I was talking to her about her, like, she would get like really turned on and really wet and we'd have really great sex. So like I guess subconsciously, I know this is something that turns around. I know that we've talked about it like a little bit, like even before the blow up about how like she's turned on by other guys and sometimes that she does think about it.

Whatever, right? Oh my God. You bring all this up later. Oh, my gosh. Sorry. But I guess, Kathy, that blow up really at Christmas was because it was Christmas and I didn't get something from that list. Like, I, like, everything that was on the list that you wanted.

She's not going to find, you wanted her to find another guy for a little. What was on that list that she wasn't doing? Because I don't understand the list. Like, like, like, like, coming on her face, swallowing my cum, having anal sex, watching other people. Okay. Watching other people have, other people watching. us have sex. Go to a sex club and just watch people have sex.

Her being within another woman. Like, all the, all the stuff that like most guys think about. Like, it was all, you know, from the very, like, send me a nude picture. Send me a picture. That's the one thing she did. Okay. Yeah. So, or like, you know, and what other things on this were like, asked to use one of the

toys, not me have initiating using one of the toys, you know, like. Right. And she was doing none of it. None of it. Okay. Except for the, except for the, except for the nude pick, like, maybe once every, like. Right. And on the side, you had been role playing the hot wiping thing. So when she got that list, you wanting to see her with another guy was not so completely crazy.

No, no, exactly. Okay. So, uh, yeah, so, so. So how does the Facebook guy come into play? She says, oh, some guy just hit me up on Facebook? Yeah. So this guy, like, under the guys of like wanting to like, you know, wanting to like partake in her business, like, like, user services, he starts like going, because she has her face on there on her. on her on Facebook so my wife's very attracted uh so he starts flirting with her like beyond

what the services that she provides right and so she starts like flirting with this guy and she tells me that she's working on i'm like sure go for it flirt as much do you want yeah and like you know this really turns me on so she starts furring with this guy they start sort of thing uh sex thing with each other and so so at first is like just it's just that it's just sex thing right and she's getting so turned on like we are our sex starts getting like way better. She's like horny all the time. So this is going on for a couple of weeks. And then he sends her a dick pick. But she's keeping you in the loop of all of us. Oh yeah. Okay. Can you explain all this stuff? Because the very specific things of how this kind of moves. Okay. We're almost at the end of the

story because this guy never fucking shows up. But like, you know, is she coming to you and talking to you every step of the way? Are you reading these things and getting horny? Like what's happening? So she, so she's telling me he's saying that he like wants to fuck me. He's saying that, you know, my ass looks great. He's like, so she's, like, she's keeping me, like, in touch, like, through all the time and all the sex things. She's not like, it's not like every single text, but she's keeping me, like, give me like the cold notes version of what's going on.

Okay. And, uh, yeah, so he sends her like a thing. But does she say she intends to, like, meet this guy? So, okay. So, so this is going on right here for, for a couple of weeks. And then we're sitting down. It's like a weeknight. The kids are like downstairs playing video games.

And she's like, so. If this were to happen, I don't know what she was like, if this were to happen, and like, right away, I'm like, my heart starts beating. I'm like, you're actually considering this? I'm like, really? Didn't you think she was considering it? Why else would she be doing that? Did she ever, did she say ever once, like, I'm just going to fuck with his head and tease him and make him think I meant him? Why else would she be fucking sexting with a guy? What do you think? You didn't know that that was her ploy to fuck him?

Well, well, I thought, like, she was like, always, I think I just never thought that she'd actually even like consider it and start like so you just thought you was teasing the guy i know i know but still but i thought she was just going to leave it like that like and like if that's as far as it went that's as far as it went right like i guess that's as good it's going to get and that's fine you're naive yeah i'm glad that i was so like so like so if so if this were to happen i'm like oh my god like this is my fantasy it's my dream of do so i'm like okay here's how i envision it it would happen like the kids would be away for a weekend we get a hotel room i drop you off you know we'd go shopping for like lingerie ahead of time we see

start like, you know, planning out the whole thing about how it would happen, right? And like, we get like so fucking turned on. Like, that, that night we just have like, we start talking about like, it'll be like this and then like, like, where are the rules? Like, so one of the, so when we started like talking about what would happen, she's like, I'm like, could I, she didn't want me to be there. She wanted to go and because she didn't feel that she could be as, like, really uninhibited and like explore like her sexuality with me in the room, which I completely understand. And the one thing I also want to mention two cats they should have earlier as well oh here we go it's okay i can follow anything don't worry i know but in the lead up to all this after the after i sent that known stuff i started

sharing your your podcast with her i'm like the ones that were about like hot wiping i'd share them with her and also uh i'd share a lot of the uh podcast from sexy soccer mom so she was she really like sexy soccer mom so there was that as well right so again like you said i i showed that you know i was not letting up this thing. I was being persistent that it was not about me having sex with another woman as about her and her pleasure. So I just want to throw that in there as well. Sorry about that. Yeah, so we start like role playing this entire thing about how we'll go down. You know, again, like I said, like what rules would be have in place? And like for me like the whole, get specific. So like like basically condom, you had me not there, you know, I would draw her off at the hotel.

I'd come back home. She'd be with the guy, condom. Everything. was, you know, everything that she was comfortable doing was like on the table. And though there was be there, we'd have like a meet and greet ahead of time. So like she would like, she'd like, because it all up into this time, it just all been texting. She had actually met the guy in person. So she'd meet with him to make sure that, you know, that chemistry that they had, you know, texting with each other was actually there in real life as well. And after. And if everything went down with there, then we get a hotel room.

I dropped her off. She'd have sex with them, condom. She could kiss them, do whatever she wanted. And afterwards, I would come and we would have the reclaiming. sex. So that's how the scenario played out in our head. Okay. So that went out. So he kept on sending like dick picks kept on like getting her support. Like my wife like when she had her, when she has her period, like that was always like a no go zone. Like we like don't have sex when she has her period. Like she was getting so horny that we were like fucking when she was had when she had her period.

And like I told you about like the anal play like before was like no like anal play at all. Then she was like, okay, I'm open up to a little bit of anal play. So you know, I started so I started. I started like fingering. So now like sometimes like I finger her asshole and loop. So like all like things that were completely off the tail before. They said this experience with this eye and this texting had completely opened her up. And also she was really excited too with the whole thing because as you know, when you get into a new relationship, there's that newness, right?

Like finding out about someone, you know, that excitement that you feel, you know, when you meet someone new, that after 20 years of marriage, you just don't have anymore, right? That's just something that's lost. And you're never, you're never getting that back again. So for my wife, like, you were sorry. I'm like, like I totally get why you're so excited about this guy. It's that I told her it's that feeling that you're having when we first started dating that we're not going to have again, right? And I told her as well that for me, I'm finding, I said for me, I'm getting totally turned on because I'm finding a new you.

I haven't seen this from you before. So I'm getting feelings now of meeting someone new and I'm getting super excited about this well. Right, because she's, and that's what I've heard people talk about even with cheating. Sometimes what people get out of cheating is that feeling and that newness and. it is about, but it's not just about the other person. It's about them feeling something they haven't felt in a long time. So you experiencing her feeling something, it's like she is someone new to you too. And she is to herself, right?

But you're both benefiting from it because she's not really cheating on you. You're right. So eventually there's they, so they try to have like a meeting. Like I said, we're going to have that meeting. Can I just ask you a crazy question? Everyone's going to get some out. I mean, people think I'm so rude. You don't think I'm rude the way I'm talking to you, do you?

I'm just like a, I think I'm funny. Actually, I think I'm funny, but some people think I'm rude. Kathy, I love the way you talk to people. Oh, okay. The way you talk to Luna, like all that stuff and all this stuff that went down. And I actually, I provide a lot of comments on your episode. So you can probably figure out. Oh, oh, I need to know which one is you because some of them have the delete because they're so mean.

The guys go after me so much. It's so weird. I'm like, I know if I was a guy, I wouldn't get this shit. Okay, okay. I'm the guy that's not going after you. Oh, okay. Okay, okay, I have a couple. I know my guys that are always so nice on there. But yeah, so thank God you Could delete it because people are so mean. I put my my ass off for my show every time I do an episode I attend to like you know

Help people create good content and people are just so nasty, but I don't think I talk rude and I'm never coming from RuPaul's I just want to make sure you get you're not you don't feel that way because I am kind of laughing at you? I'm kind of laughing at you? You're not you're not you're kind of laughing at you're not you're not you're laughing at these people that are not you're not you're laughing at these people that are shitty stuff. I'm not you're laughing at these people that are shitty storyteller. Yeah. That's not a rude. You shouldn't be a good storyteller. You're not a professional person. Anyway, but like,

can I just ask you a weird question? Sure. Go ahead. I think that wasn't the question. The question is, is there a chance? And I don't know why I think that's like, is there a chance that your wife maybe knew this guy and set all this up?

Like, and pretending that this was some random person that showed up? No, no. No, I'm not, because the guy wouldn't have flaked on her like this. Right. Yeah, you're right.

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like, and pretending that this was some random person that showed up. No, no. Okay. No, I'm not, because the guy wouldn't have flaked on her like this. Right. Yeah, you're right. Right. Okay. You're right. Right. Good points. Okay. I, you know what? I think the only reason why I put that together, my weirdo mind, because I'm sent to be suspicious is because she was accusing you of cheating and you never were. So sometimes when people are accusing someone else of cheating, it could be because they're like sort of maybe in that mindset. So I was just like, oh, then I sort of clicked, like, maybe this guy, because you know, what random guy comes to a business and starts hitting on the woman? You know, it typically happens in movies, but it doesn't happen in real life so much. You know, people are normally

respectable and have boundaries. So it's, I was like, maybe she set this all up. No, like I said, like I'm confident that was the case. So, so, so they set up like a time like to do like a meet and greet, right, to see if the chemistry is still there. And of course, this guy starts flaking. Every time there's a chance to actually, like, meet my wife, he starts flaking. So I'm like, okay, but they're still texting. So my wife and I are still getting what we want to order this at this point, right? She's getting turned on. It's getting neat turned on. We're still having great sex. He's still sending dick picks. I also want to say about this guy's, I don't know if I said before, but this guy's dick was beautiful. Like, he would have won your dick pick contest.

Oh, really? I'm having another one soon. This guy, like, she showed me a picture of his cock. And I'm like, That is a beautiful cock. Wow. Love it. Okay. But yeah, so this guy starts flaking on her. So she's like, and she starts, and she's been getting a sense, this isn't good, this isn't

going to happen. And then this guy completely like within the last couple of weeks completely cuts her off on Facebook. He's like, I can't talk to you anymore. Yeah. And my wife, and my story was like, this guy, you know, he initiated this whole thing. He's the one who starts sending me like dick picks and he's just cutting me off like this. So, to be honest, Kathy, like, she's been, like, kind of down the last couple of weeks.

And, you know, our sex life has kind of suffered because of it, too. It's like, it's like, and I told her, like, this is obviously something that was good. Like, he was good for both of us. Even if it was just this, this sex thing and the picks and stuff. I'm like, it was good for us. Like, we had been talking more. We've been communicating more. Our sex has been better.

Like, this is something. If it's not him having someone, just even if it's just the sex thing stuff, it's good for us. It's good for our relationship because look how happy we've been. with this happening. So basically, so yeah, just the kind of, this guy's flaked.

This guy's like, out of the picture now. So I guess what I'm looking for is like, my wife has to have that connection with somewhere. It just can't be some like, randow coming in. Like, I just wonder like,

how do I get like another guy? Well, have you, okay. So have you said what you said to me to her like, oh my God, like should we go, like have you said,

should we go pick up another guy? Yes. Okay. And. And again, And she's still kind of hesitant about it because she doesn't want like these random strangers. Like I told them like, this guy was a random stranger and you were fine with it. So why I said to her, I'm like, I'm like, this is my-

But it happened organically. There's something with women. Like, you know what I mean? It didn't. It wasn't set up. That's like a weird thing to push through. This was like the perfect storm for a woman in that it wasn't. It was a stranger, but it happened sort of organically and naturally.

And I'm a woman. So I totally get why this random stranger would be different than a random stranger on. an app, you know? Yeah, yeah. And this guy was, he was, it wasn't like, like, some of these guys, like, I, like, some of these Reddit guys and stuff like, like, like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, like, I, I, I, I, like, all the Reddit pages, like, the hot boy pages and stuff like that. Uh, some of these guys are nearly as good looking as, as, as this guy was, right?

So my wife, is the thing, my wife's not just going to fuck some guy with a big dick. My wife wants to fuck some, my wife's going to fuck some guy. It's going to be some guy who's, like, you know, in shape, you know, like, you know, like, someone, someone really good. I'm not going to just get some like some some 50-year-old guy with like a belly and like unkept like hair to fuck my wife. Like that's not what that's what this is about. How old is your wife by the way? How we're both 48.

Okay, cool. And she looks great still. I mean, listen, you could still look great at 48. I mean, it's not like I. Like I said, I think she looks great. Yeah. Like I said, like I said, she's my porn star. Yeah.

I think I married up. That guy liked her too. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I told it. Yeah. My wife's 48, but she doesn't look 40. Like my wife could like pass for like under 40.

Yeah, no one does nowadays. It's very different nowadays. You know what I mean? So that's great. Okay. So when she says, you know, what's her pushback? It's that I don't know that I can meet another guy that I like.

Like I don't really want to find another guy. Like what does she say exactly to you when you bring up bringing in another guy instead of instead of waiting around for this one? Well, I haven't like to be honest, I haven't really pushed that hard because again, it's only been a couple of weeks, right? but I know I for me I would like to find her someone that she could at least talk to or get it in connection with

because like I said it was good for us like our sex life was like what's happening is you got you both got probably hits of adrenaline you felt really high from it and you were living off this fantasy happening but because it's just the fantasy of it and the realness of her actually meeting someone all of those hits of adrenaline

have worn off and you haven't taken it to the next level that's not doing it anymore and you're missing that fucking high okay you gotta relax okay you're not gonna like that high is just like you know you could get that back but you don't you shouldn't chase it so much I don't think the words that you say are correct and there you don't want to think that you need it in your relationship it felt really great but like that's just that's like you know that adrenaline rush of something new and everything if you're chasing it too much it you can get a little nutty about the situation. You don't want to think that if you don't have that everything with your wife feels so flat. I mean, I would hope that, you know, your sex life

has improved and, you know, can survive without other men all the time. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure it will. But actually, we're, we're having like a couple's date this Friday and Saturday. And there's a part of me that was, because I know who the guy is on Facebook. Like, I can like contact him and message him. that flake guy, I was thinking of messaging him and saying, hey, we're going to be here. Why don't you just show up randomly? But I don't think I should do it. Okay, please.

Okay. You need to listen. Wait, I have not aired the episode yet. You need to listen to Nick's episode. When you see an episode with Nick as the name to fucking listen, okay, and heed his warning. He thinks he, and it was the most interesting thing episode I ever taped. I just haven't posted it yet because it's so fucking good and I don't know when I want to because I'm going to get backlash for it.

because I never felt more emotionally charged against somebody for what he did. But I do not believe ever doing something like that. Listen, your girl is down. She's into it. You can tell her, you tell her to tell him what you just said. Tell her to say, hey, listen, me and my husband are going to be on this date. Why don't you show up? Let her do it.

But that needs to be a consensual thing between the two. Please don't go behind her back and sit anything else. She's down. Like I said, like I said, there was a part of me. I probably wasn't going to end up doing it. Just don't. Just don't. At the end of the day, don't.

Okay. Well, that guy has like, so that, that, like, he's, like, he's, like, blocked her on, like, most of the social media apps, except for, like, I think, I guess, like, I don't, maybe he was, like, threatened. Maybe, like, because I think my wife, I, in their, in their, in their texting back and forth had mentioned how, like, I was down with this and I was okay with, you know, with, with, with me fucking her. Maybe, I don't know, maybe the whole hot-wifing dynamic, turn them off.

Like, I don't know. Let me ask you this. Is the guy married? What do you know about? No, no, no. No, no. He's a single guy, lived by himself. No, no, he's not married, nothing like that. But I've been told him, like, if he doesn't understand the dynamic, I, like, send, like, a couple of your episodes to her to forward him.

I'm like, tell him to listen to these episodes to under, to understand the dynamic. I'm like, I'm fine with it. I'm really fine with it. Like, just tell him to listen to this. It's okay. Yeah, yeah. But he does, it was after she told him that she was married and she had a husband and he was okay with it that he checked out?

Well, no, he's still engaged, but then, I don't know, he told my wife, like, he wasn't in, after all the stuff, he says to my wife that, you know, I'm not going to, I'm not in a good head space right now, you know, this isn't good for me. I just think he got completely freaked out. Like, if you told, I think maybe he was, I think maybe he was happy with the texting as well, but I think once it became like real and my wife really wanted to hug up with him, I think that might have scared him off because he's not a bull, right? He's just some guy. He doesn't, I don't think he understands the dynamics. And I think that might have freaked them out.

Like, that's just speculation on my point. Yeah, unfortunately, you've heard the episodes. A lot of guys who even think that they're bulls, they flake out. You know what I mean? Unfortunately, it happens a lot. Yeah. And like, I've even, like, considered, like, creating, like, a Reddit account to try to, like, get, like, guys, like, to engage with my wife. But again, I need to talk to my, my wife about that, about, like, how to go about that, right?

Like, how to set up that account and how she wants to engage with those guys. Like, I would, I would imagine I would, like, vet the guys. And after if she was cool with it, then the guys would, like, talk to her, like, through telegram or something. And that's how things would go down. But that's something I need to talk to my wife about. Well, there was a guy. I don't remember if it was Nick. It was another guy.

I don't know if he aired him yet, who did go online. Oh, no, I haven't aired him. This is, he's a great guy. Remember to listen to a guy named Ray. Him and his wife aren't going to cross the line. I don't think she's ever really into it. But with her permission, okay, and this is very opposite Nick, okay, Ray has been able to, get off on his hot wifing fantasies by posting anonymous picks, sexy picks of his wife online on

Reddit. And he talks about how deep in Reddit, I mean, there are places you could do everything that you're talking about. You know what I mean? You just need, and he gets off on the guys and his wife actually doesn't like to engage or anything, but she really loves the attention. Like she'll say how many likes it I get and blah, blah, blah. So she gets off on that and makes her feel great about herself and it makes her feel hot, you know. So maybe ask your wife if you could do these things. You know, can I go online on Reddit and see if I could find somebody? Can I post you here? Can we go on an app? Like, you have to name all the ways that you can sort of set up another guy if you want this to happen. Doesn't she, does she, did she only just want it with this guy or does she want to do it in general? I think, I think if the right guy came along, I think she, again, like, I didn't think that she would ever consider it, but the right guy came along, she started considering it, right? So it's obviously something that she would consider. It just has to be the right guy. Right. But have you said, can we go on an app? No, no. I've sort of like hinted around it, but I haven't asked outright yet.

Like, can we like create like a profile? I don't know. I think it'll probably have that discussion today after this, after this conversation. Yeah, I mean, listen, it's not like, what is the worst? Like, what do you think, like, why haven't you said that? It's not like what happened is, is that far off from what you would be asking her to go on on a site. You know, like, why would, why is that something you haven't brought up? I think it's because I've been holding out hope that this guy would like unflake. That's I think that's probably why. Yeah. Right. And how many times have they set up a time to actually meet up? A couple of times.

They probably have three times. So three times and he hasn't. And has he ever said, oh, don't worry. I'm definitely going to do it. Or he said I'm not in a good head space. I don't want to do this anymore. That's exactly the second part. So he backed out totally.

Totally. Yeah. Okay. So he's not in the picture. So you're. like I said like he blocked like in all those social media apps except for like there's only like one social media app where he can where my wife can still like view his stuff so like I think there's just probably like the fact that he hasn't blocked her like everywhere tells me that he's probably a part of him is still kind of interested that kind of sucks for my wife too right because she's really interested in this guy's kind of like leaving the door open for her right so I feel bad for my wife as well because like this guy's kind of like if you're going to block my wife and cut her out like just cut her own entirely like don't don't like keep like this like this. candle of hope alive.

Yeah, it's terrible. Women, us as women, we live off of one percent chance hope. We can't like out. You know what I mean? Even though kind of all signs point to fuck him, you know what I mean?

He canceled her out on so many other things. He flaked. He's anybody that says to you in a sentence, I'm not in the right mindset. Run for the fucking hills. Okay. That's like, like, why is he talking about his mental health?

It's a little scary. Even my wife's like, like you're sending me dick pics and stuff and saying all this stuff. And then you're just going to like, turn me down on this. And there's, my wife has a really good friend who's like really sexually adventurous. That's kind of been like our Paduan.

Oh, cute. Yeah. That's cool. Like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, she was like, and she's like, like, she'll even like say to her like, like, what's up with this fucking guy? Like, I wanted this like to happen like so badly. Like, and, and her advice has been like, don't chase.

If you want you, let him chase you. So. Yeah. I mean, listen, in this situation, it doesn't matter how you get it. There's no relationship going on here. But I would say as somebody, like, when you're playing around in, in the lifestyle and in in this world. I mean, you need people to be solid. And I worry, I mean, and I'll tell you this because I do, I've been running a show and I've talked to 1,400 people. So I deal with people all the time. And there are certain things that someone might put in an email that I know, oh, I can't ever air this person's episode or have them on because they're mentally unstable. And this is the type of person that's going to cause problems later on like tape the thing, tell me to take it down, start freaking out. You know what I mean? And when somebody says, I can't do this because I'm not. not mentally in a good place right now.

I personally think you should run for the hills, okay, because I don't know what that means, but you don't want to deal, you don't want to start get naked with somebody that's mentally unstable. I'm sorry. That's a weird thing to tell a stranger in them,

that you want to fuck, okay? Like, it's not a normal thing to tell somebody. It's maybe tell your best friend, you know, but like a woman that you're trying to bang and now you're using your mental health state,

like either he's lying or he's, mentally unstable and I would watch out for that. You don't want to fuck that. God knows what happens with that guy. Yeah, maybe we, yeah, maybe we dodged a bullet on this one. Yes, of course you did. I mean, did he, what did he say again? What was the term? I'm not mentally in a good place right now. And that this wasn't good for him. Yeah. So listen to listen, thank God, maybe know thyself. He knows his self. Why do you want to be with someone who's not mentally okay with banging a hot chick? If he's a man and he's not mentally in the place. where he could do something like that. Listen to him and run like I'm saying I this is not someone that you want to mess with. You know, that's obvious. I even I said that to my wife. I'm like like this is like every guy's like dream.

A woman that just wants to like fuck him. What guy doesn't want this? But him actually, he doesn't. For whatever reason he said that and you just need to walk away. Now for your wife, listen, I get where she's at. You know, it was just the right perfect mix of things to make her. she can't imagine you know recreating this scenario

because this is exactly what she wanted right but she needs to unwrap her mind on this guy and then get straight and then maybe look for somebody else so you do need to start looking in a different direction and get her looking in a different direction and tell her let's go online

I'll put up fake pictures like I'll do all the vetting and you could see the people and then start talking to them and we don't have to ever hook up with anyone unless you have a connection blah blah blah you know what I mean you have to get her into looking someone else and forgetting about that guy, this guy, listen, maybe this guy tomorrow is the dick is going to be hard and he's going to be, let's go, I'm ready. You know what I mean?

He's going to fuck a shit of her. Nothing's going to happen. Everything's fine. Who knows? That's just icing on the cake, but you got to let that go for now. Have her let it go and get her into thinking about other options and taking the pressure off of her. A lot of women don't want to be involved in looking at the guys.

Some of them don't want to talk to them, but they do need what she got from that guy, which is a lot of times it's like the organic thing. It's feeling very comfortable with the guy. You know, all that texting back and forth made her feel like she knew him more. She got like a connection with him. A lot of times that's what women need to get horning from a guy. So she's not just going to, you know, the thought of her going on an app and just looking at guys, you know, online is not appealing to her, right? Yeah, yeah, that's not going to do it.

No. So she most likely when you say that, she's going to be like, no, that doesn't work. Like I don't, you know what I mean? I don't want that. But you could say, listen, I'll vet. the guys and if I think it's someone, maybe you just start talking to them like you talk to the other guy. Like you have to maybe try to talk her into it because

that's the only other way. Or say, do you know anyone else that you know that? I mean, she doesn't have any other booty cause. Yeah. Well, there's been this other guy that's been like messaging her on Instagram. But this guy, she's like, this guy looks like a monkey. Wait, wait, wait, let me just ask you this. Another guy's hitting on her on Facebook? So this was a guy that she had gone through a high school with.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So on Instagram, he's like, he's like messaging her like, she'll put like a post of something on Instagram and he'll send like 20 comments like back and forth. Yeah. And he'll be making, he'll be making like, you know, very like, like, you know, a lot of sexual innuendo like comments back and forth. But this guy's ugly Kathy. Yeah.

But you know what that is? Listen, I'm telling you back in the day when Facebook came around, I don't go on there anymore. But I remember one of the minute I went on there, so many like married guys from my high school were like hitting on me. Like, I mean, that shit happens. That's like a prime place. to get hit on by people.

She should go back onto Facebook and start posting hot picks of herself. And she's going to get all these guys, maybe that she knew that are kind of cute hitting on her. You know, maybe it has to happen organic for her. And I think sometimes that's the prime place. There are all those people from her old high school that probably still want a fucker that would do it. Trust me. Where that guy, there's many of those guys on Instagram. And you just need a good looking one.

Well, to be honest, like if this guy, if this guy, the Instagram guy, that's ugly, if he was like better looking. Yeah. I think my wife would be like considering it. That's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. The seeds have definitely been planted.

And my wife, I'm sure, is more than willing to engage in these type of, the same behavior like again. Yeah. You need to meet. It's just the right person. Yes.

And you need to help her with that. And maybe it's you doing all the work, you vetting the people, you finding out and then maybe passing it on to her and telling her like you could talk to the person for a while. You know her by now. You could say I'll find a guy that I'll, I know that you would like very good looking, you know, and, you know, and say, could I just go on and look?

Just say that. Just say, can I just go on and look, you know, for now? And then most likely you're going to find, like, a hot guy and you're going to show it to her. And if, like, maybe she thinks he's, like, super hot, she'll give it a try and start talking to him. You know what I mean? And then the ball's rolling again. But you got to get her to approve of you going on the app. And you have to get her to approve by making her know that, like, you're going to do all the work.

You're, you know, she doesn't have to do anything if she doesn't want. to let's just go on and look like make it no commitment kind of thing you know what I mean because she's the type of woman obviously if the right guy comes into play and she kind of sees him and he's kind of key like she might go there you know and that's what's gonna that could happen on an app but you need to take the pressure off of her because some women don't like the thought of like the setting it all up kind of situation do you know what I mean yeah it's probably I think that's a good conversation we're to have on our date night this weekend I think yes but please don't put and why don't you tell her I mean I don't know I think you

give up on the guy. Was he a young guy? Was he young? Yeah, yeah. He was like early 30s. You need a different, you need a different guy and you need to get her on. Listen, you are so close. You're even closer than that other guy. Okay, that other guy was just fantasizing. I forget what his name was, but he was good. And he was like right at the verge, you know, telling her he wants it in real life. Your girl, and listen, your girl is so down that she even was the one that like kind of initiated it. You know what I mean? The minute she

saw a hot guy, she was like on it. And think about it. that for her and even for you and I you know I think I said before like oh you guys love that intense thing but like why wouldn't you you know I think it's more normal for both of you to be really into that high of the newness and everything because you're two people that like only had each other your whole life right like I fucked millions of guys and had that newness feeling a million times you guys have never felt it since you had it with just each other so you know I think that you know she would love another hot guy to like like her again well you after when we're setting like naughty text back and forth to each other.

Although like she'll send me like, how do I look in this? Like she'll be shopping. And I'll say, you look great and never always text back. It'd be a shame for me to, it would be very selfish for me to keep you all to myself. Right. That's always like, like I think like I said, like most guys my wife is my porn star. And I think it would be, it would be a shame for me if she never got to experience someone else or have other sexual experiences.

Well, listen, she's obviously down. Okay. She was going to do it with this guy. There is another guy out there. The star, all the stars will allow. line, but you need to help that situation and you need to try to make it happen. In the meantime, you can try what my caller who haven't aired yet, Ray did, which is ask her, can you post pictures of her and get guys checking around? Can you go or can you go looking either online or on

Reddit for a guy and tell her you'll do all the work? Try to figure out what would make her most comfortable in setting up the situation again that is in real life and let her know that, how much turned you on. It turned her on too, obviously. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, and she would even admit to that. But I'll definitely try these things. And maybe, who knows, maybe I'm calling in a year from now with a follow-up, I think. For sure. And listen, I wouldn't be surprised if three weeks from now, the, you know, the mental head guy calls up and he's fine. You know what I mean? Who knows if it passes? But the fact that he blocked her, it's very bizarre, but he went through something, you know, so I think, but keep me posted. We would love the part two. I mean,

remember I gave that last guy homework. I said, oh, take three weeks to tell your wife and he didn't. And I don't think three weeks was a long time. Let's hear from you in six months or a year. Have you guys been able to find another guy for your girl? I think you will be able to, you know, and it's just going to take a little bit more work this time. But, you know, find another hot guy. And I think when she sees the hot guy, she'll be down to talk to him. She's just probably in her mind thinking, oh, any guy that's on a nap looking for a couple is like sleazy or gross or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, it's all the unknown to her. Just, you know, give her no commitment, no, make it like no big deal. Let me just go on and look. You know what I mean? Let's just look. Yeah, and this world is foreign to her, right? Exactly.

I'm far more immersed in this world. Like I said, I've listened to your podcast for five years. I listen to the Hot Wife podcast. I know Mrs. Milford and like Ozzie Kate, I listen to that as well. So I'm immersed in this world. So I'm definitely more well versed in this than she is. She's like just a newbie, like, has no idea. like everything that's going on.

Yeah, and she just liked the attention of a hot guy. She never had enough for so long, you know what I mean? So she's like, so you need to like sort of guide her. You need to push her a little bit. You need to tell her that you're going to make it happen again in some other way. And you need to make her comfortable with that way. And like I said, the best way to do that is to just be really chill about it, make it not like any commitment on her part to tell her you'll do all the work.

I said this 10 times. You know what I'm saying. Let's see what happened. when you do that. You know, you might need to go on an app or go on Reddit. Reddit is a place where people meet people all the time. That's great advice, Kathy. And yeah, I really hope that I'm back on here in six or four months. You will be. I mean, come on. You didn't get this close and it's all going to end. You can't let it. Just like you didn't let that list go by and let her blow it off, like so many average people would have done. You kept on it. You know, you really made changes here. You're really

like just one guy away from having your hot wifing fantasy and your girl getting to fuck another guy and you're both going to be super happy. Do you know what I mean? Listen, maybe if she's that pretty, she'll get another guy hitting on her at work. Yeah, and actually it's funny that

when I said before that when she first considered and said, hey, if this sort of happens, yours would be, I told her like, my God, is this going to happen? I told him like, am I, are we going to be able to phone in to like Kathy and talk to her about this? What did she say?

I mean she just started laughing. Okay. Will you let her listen to this episode? No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will. Like we're an open book. I will.

Okay. So listen. Okay. Kevin, quote unquote's wife. You're Kevin, right? Fake Kevin. That's her name?

Okay. Kevin, listen. I understand. You're a woman. My guy recently, my booty called guy recently told me I could go fuck someone else he'd like it. I was like so horny for it. Really the thought of it.

It was the same thing. Like sometimes just when you think you're going to do it in real life, it becomes such a turn on. You know what I mean? Like, and then it dissipates. after a while if it doesn't happen, right? There's timing to all that stuff for a while.

And that's what you're missing, right? It was like that high of, like, thinking it's going to happen. I had that with him and I tried to make it happen with guys that I knew. And I couldn't. And then I gave it up because the last thing I want to do is go on a nap and find a guy. You know, and I totally understand it. But my guy's not going to take the rain and go fucking luck and everything. He's just too busy.

So that's not going to happen from me. But, you know, because you are going to do that for her, okay? She should allow you to, okay, allow him to go online, set it up, just find guys and let him pick out three hot dudes for you to just look at and look through their profile. And then if you feel like it, go talk to them. Because where there's one, there's many. There's another hot guy like the guy on Facebook. Go after somebody else.

Okay. All right. Keep me posted. I will. Kevin. Thanks so much for calling in. This was fun conversation. Thanks.

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