Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1413 - Dave and his Wife Started Swinging Way Later in Life

Episode Date: March 31, 2026

Dave and his wife started swinging way later in life and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how they dabbled in lifestyle when they were younger and what went down, how and why they decided to explore it again when they were much older, the body issues his wife was dealing with and how going to a swinger resort on France helped her, their trip to the French swingers resort and exactly what went down there and how far they went,  the first time they went to shibari event and what went down, how and why he realized he really enjoyed   impact play, their first kink sex party and what went down including both of them getting flogged, the first swinger club they went to and why his wife wasn’t really into it, their experience with fire massage and exactly what went down when his wife got one, how he wants his wife  to have a threesome with a guy and why she’s not down plus a whole lot more. GET A COPY OF THE STRICTLY ANONYMOUS BOOK! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY HERE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To see HOT pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712   Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show." Want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. All voices are changed.   Sponsors:  ⁠⁠https://inda.shop/STRICTLY⁠⁠ If you’re 21 or older, get 40% OFF your first order @IndaCloud with code STRICTLY  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beducate.me/pd2610-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Click here to take the quiz and  get your personalized roadmap to sexual happiness ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.quince.com/strictlyanon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — For premium quality Quince clothing plus FREE shipping and 365 day returns! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Get 10% OFF your first month of Bluechew GOLD! Use code: STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://LoadBoost.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — To get 10% off LOAD BOOST by VB Health use code: STRICTLY Follow me! Instagram  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And you get a free trial, like I said, just use my code 37712 or go to the description and click on the link and you'll be taken right. Okay, today I have on Dave. I love Dave's story. I decided to split up a story in two separate episodes because he had a whole E-D thing going on that he went to many doctors and he fixed it with some. stuff and we're going to talk about that on a different episode, but on this episode, we're going to talk about the fact that him and his wife, after many years of being together, like after 40-something years, they decided to kind of open things up and get into the world of the lifestyle and kink and stuff like that. They're not that hardcore, but I think that's what's kind of interesting about them, where their boundaries lie, how far they have gone, what they've done, what they haven't done, and why? They've had many conversations. He's more interested in taking things further. His wife's really not, but he's super, happy with what they've done so far because here they are a couple. I mean, he calls them

senior citizens when like five years ago they completely opened things up and they decided to like go to a like a swingers resort kind of place over in France. He talks about that first experience, how far they went, what went down, how they both felt about it. And when they came back to the states, they decided to go to some kink clubs. They've been to swinger clubs. They've tried Shibari. They've done impact play. They played around with massage. fire massages. There's a lot of firsts of me hearing about there. There's a lot of things that I've learned about on this episode of things that they've tried. Like I said, his, his, his, his faith thing and what he's really hoping to do one day is have his wife do a threesome with another guy, but she's

not down. And we talk about why she's not. And of course he's okay with that. He's playing the long game. It's what he would love to happen. But he's certainly a cup half full guy in that he looks at like all the stuff that his wife has been down to do and try with him. And he couldn't be happier that at their age, she is down to go to all these places with him, try all these things and all that kind of good stuff. It's a super interesting episode. You're going to hear all the details from him. And he talks about how they're very in shape for their age and they still look really good and it's fucking true. I have pictures over on my Patreon on my Discord. The link to Patreon will be in the description. But anyway, I'm going to get right to and be right back on with Dave. Welcome to the Strictly

on this podcast. How are you today? I'm good. Happy holidays, Kathy. Good to talk to you. Happy holidays. Same to you, Dave. Listen, you have two things going on and we're going to split up your two things into two separate episodes. You're going to call back another time and talk about your sort of history with EED and how you cured it and, you know, what you did to work through it. And it happens to be with some of the products that I've talked about on my show, the firm tech products, right? So we're going to do a whole episode on that. But what we're going to talk about on this episode because you also have this whole backstory where you and your wife, you know, you're in your later years and you guys like recently, like the last five years of your marriage,

decided to open things up and enter into the lifestyle. And I love a, you know, older couple gone wild story. And so you have one for me. So I'm like, let's do a whole episode just on that because I think that's super interesting. And then we'll do a whole sexual health episode and talk about your E.D. But in this episode, we're going to talk about you and your wife's journey into the lifestyle. Give me a snapshot. of how long you guys have been married, how old you guys are now? Sure. So I'm 69 and my wife is 72.

Okay. And we've been together almost 43 years and married 32. Wow. So you were into older checks when you were younger. Oh, you know what? I really have been and she's just continued to grow into the hottest milk out there. Yeah, I love that. Okay.

So, all right. So let's go back. So let's just talk first about like you've been together forever. How was your sex life throughout the, you know, 40-something years of your life before you open things up? Sure, sure. It started off insanely hot. We were both coming out of the second marriage. We both work in a high-stress field.

And we ended up bonding as peers and friends. And the sexual chemistry was just off the chart. So we started out, I'd say pretty exploratory. This was back in the 80s. So we started out with, we're not really going into the lifestyle, but we pushed the boundaries. So we would go to, for example, I don't know, a gathering of friends at like a bar where they're having a toga party and we opted to wear clear toga party attire. And you just started pushing the envelope there. We ended up going to play to his retreat, which back in the day, that was like, yeah, that was the place to go as a sex club in Manhattan.

And, you know, it was interesting to stick our toes in there, but it really wasn't anything we were going to continue to pursue. So, you know, that was just kind of tap, just putting our toes in the water. And then we would go to nudist resorts. We had friends that were in the lifestyle that wanted to swing with us, but they didn't really do anything for us. And we weren't opening the marriage at the time. So that's how we started. Then went into the raise a family, push a career, all of that kind of stuff, graduate work. And I'd say we probably ended up the way a lot of couples do, which is you find the time when you can.

And when you do, it's still good, but it isn't like crazy off the wall hot the way it was in the first couple of years. Of course, normal life, right? Yeah. Yep. Yep. And so, yeah, I'd say we never really discussed doing anything in the lifestyle during those years. But it was still hot in the bedroom. And then, you know, we became empty nesters.

And that was awesome. It really started to allow us to recognize that we were lovers more than just parents and like business partners with raising, you know, building a house, having a family, going all that kind stuff. That's great that after all those years when you decided to like whenever, when you were emptiness, you looked at each other and realized, oh, you're still into each other and you have all this stuff going on as opposed to sometimes I think what happens is the opposite, right? Like people are like, oh, who the fuck are you?

I'm not into you anymore at all. But you guys still were and realized you have all this like chemistry. there that you haven't been focused on. That was such a great discovery for us. Yeah. So many couples kind of hit that spot with the empty nesters and they don't recognize each other. And I'd say the good thing for us, not to pat myself on the back, but we both stayed in shape. And so that plays a big part in.

And not because guys don't like women when they get a little chunky or anything. It's because women don't feel good about themselves. And when women don't feel good about themselves, they feel good about themselves, they feel less sexy, they don't want to have sex. You know what I mean? It's like a whole domino effect that really affects women. And that's why it's not because guys give a shit whether their wives are perfect, right? It's that women were so hard on herself.

So the fact that your woman also kept it together was great for her, right? Yes, yes. But I will say, as we started to, you know, hit those later years in the 60s, I think it's very difficult for women to really feel as their sexual, being so often because certainly with my wife, for example, she was constantly hit on in the workplace when we were working together and, you know, I'd see what was going on. I was also incredibly jealous back then, too. But she was used to when she would walk in the room, she got attention. She definitely got attention. And then as you age, you know, I think there's a huge group of men

out there that really enjoy older women. But it isn't like it used to be for her when she go into the supermarket or anywhere. Oh, yeah, that's hard. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, there is that certain point that that happens. Yeah, so, I mean, while we still had great sexual chemistry, I don't think my wife was quite as confident as she had been in her younger years. Yeah. And I really wanted to try to ignite that aspect of our relationship, as seeing each other

as sexual beings and not just kind of husband, wife kind of thing. Yeah, because you still saw her as a sexual relationship. being, but she was losing that view of herself. Yeah, I just don't, I think she started to feel the way a lot of women feel when they start to get into the 60s, which is they disappear to the public. And that is so not the case with my wife, especially if you have any idea what her true age is, you just can't believe it. So part of kind of starting to explore things was I wanted to make sure that I recognize that

I need to be really reaffirming about you are a very beautiful woman. And you can get back to where you were before in terms of how you perceived. It's just slightly different than what you just automatically experienced when you walked in the room before. And so going to sex positive events, I think really helped with that to some degree. Because she was getting attention there that maybe she wouldn't get just walking around in the vanilla world. Yeah, so, you know, once we decided, all right, we're really going to reignite this, one of the things we did right before COVID was we went overseas and we spent a vacation at a place called Cape Dog. Have you ever heard of it?

No. No one's ever mentioned it. Yeah, on the southern coast of France on the seaside is one of the oldest natures-slings-closed communities in the world. And you can, you know, run a condo there or Airbnb or whatever, but it's a gated city that sits on the coast right there. And it was funny. Like, we did some research on it. We pull up. We go into our condo on the second floor story.

And the first thing we see when we go out on the balcony is there's a marina that sits kind of right across the parking lot. There's a boat there. And there were two couples with two. women, having men going down on them right there on the deck. And it was like, welcome to Cape Dog. Like, everything's open for plague. Cape Doc, D-O-C-K-L- how do you spell the second word? Cape what? Yeah, it's kind of weird. So it's Cape, and I think they spell it C-A-P. Yeah. And then it's capital D-A-P-A-G-D-E. Dog, dog like that. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Okay, cool. Go on. Yeah. And so, you know, that was like, holy crap, you know, this is this is one hell, the little mini-city. And, you know, they have stores and restaurants and clubs, sex clubs, but also regular jazz clubs and that kind of stuff.

And beaches. And then they have, you know, pretty much play is open just about everywhere. Most people are naked or in just very light clothes. And that was, I really enjoyed just kind of the feel of being in that space. But it was a little fan. We were jumping into the deep end of the pool. Yeah. That was pretty extreme. And we went to, you know, a couple of the cold spas, but they're basically sex clubs. And I think I'm much more of the voyeur and exhibitionist than my wife is, but she's comfortable with, I mean, we've played in public plenty now.

but she's not the type of person in that play event area where she wants like five guys standing over her jerking off. So what did you guys do when you were there? Like what was the extent of how much you guys played or didn't play when you were there? Yeah. So, I mean, you know, we played around a little bit on the beach, but, you know, nothing like heavy duty or like, you know, we're screwing on the beach or anything. basically what you know we're not looking to attract a crowd but we can you know still kind of play out there but not quite there are plenty of people out there playing with that wanted the crowds so so that was fine on the beach and then in the clubs it was really I guess some people call it

the soft swapping but it's you are in a play area where there are lots of people engaging in every kind of you know activity and so you can see and people can see you. And so, you know, we did that. And I enjoyed it. My wife gets into it when she gets into her own headspace, but she's also not looking to look all around and see all the other people and that kind of. She's not so much of an exhibitionist. She's not getting off on people watching her. She enjoys people that can see us, but we're not the main object of their attention. Okay. Knowing people can see us.

And that's part of that was when we were, you know, back in our hot and heavy days, we would have sex almost anywhere. And it was a thrill of almost being caught. It was fun. But, you know, then once you become parents and adults with careers that are growing, the thought of getting busted. You got a lot more to live. Yeah, it's a totally different. Like, of course. So while the thrill being seen is still fun, she doesn't quite like the like the whole, like,

obvious like we're going to be in the middle of this giant mattress room with people watching us fuck i get it that's not our thing so you just did like soft swaps at that resort at that resort exactly and you know we came and we talked about it and part of what a lot of your guests emphasize here is communication and we were just starting to really build our communication around this dynamic our marriage was rock solid and and we weren't looking to anything, we were looking to enhance things. Right. So we had, but it was still, it was tough conversations about the boundaries and what one of us

wants versus what the other one doesn't want. And, you know, it was, it was work. Explain those conversations. What were the boundaries? What was, like, what were you into versus what your wife was and all that kind of good stuff? Yeah. I mean, like a lot of men that come on and interview with you, I don't know why, but I

started to get this. Desire to see her fuck another guy. Or at least what I really wanted to do. I wasn't really so much as a whole cuck thing. No, but you want to be a part of it. But yeah, I want to be part of it. And so a threesome with another guy's part of it, I was open for. And that really just wasn't where she felt she wanted to go or needed to go.

And I, you know, I had to respect that. And I think part of it, and I think most women have. express this too when they call in is they get suspicious that the guy's just doing it to get a then a pass on their end of course have sex with a woman and that really wasn't what I was interested in I wish these guys would get their girls I've told other guys before like if your wife still thinks that let her listen to my episodes like I'm here to tell you that's never the case yeah yeah yeah so but you know you always only go as fast as the kind of the slowest person in the couple ones to go And, you know, men and women are so different along those lines, it seems like, in a lot of ways.

So we weren't aligned, but the fact that I had a wife, after all these years, I was even open to going to a place like Cape Dog and doing some stuff out in public was, it was great. I mean, I was just thrilled to be able to do that. Smart. And, yeah, and I think, you know, I think my wife got, like I said, when she said, when she was. gets into the zone, she can enjoy maybe the space we're in. But, you know, I had to really pay attention to if we did go into like a play area, I don't want guys coming over and automatically starting to try to touch or stare or that kind of thing. So for that visit at Cape Dogg, I think we navigated it through it, even with the rough spots. We got through it fine. And,

you know, I was completely sex-focused. And we were in the South of France. And, and my my phone had to go out and see other things, other than just naked people. And, you know, that's... Wait, did you continue on when you got home? Yes. So when we got home, COVID kicked in. And obviously, that changed everything in terms of us starting to really explore the community. And we lived on the East Coast.

We lived near a fairly large city. And we knew that there were events that did go on over there. So basically, I created a fat life profile. for us and started just looking to see who was posting up events. And we decided to go to a Shibari and Impact Play workshop in the city. So this was our very second, this is only our second time at this stage in our life to go out and explore and do anything. So we go into this really interesting, beautiful brownstone in the city. They have all these various rooms.

We were complete newbies to this. I think I brought a couple of basic toys. I think I brought a flogger. I brought rope for Shabari, that kind of stuff. And we're in this main playroom where you have a number of St. Anthony crosses, spanking benches. There were a massage table set up, people getting fire massages, heavy duty impact play going on. And so we were like, all right, you know what, let's start a little slow here. And I strapped her up onto St. Anthony's cross.

It's just going to do some like flogging and teasing and that kind of stuff. And we're rolling into it, maybe 20 minutes into there. And in walks, one of my old employees. Oh, no way. Oh, my God. Yeah. Small world, small world. I know.

I leaned over and I said to my wife, so-and-so just walked in the door. She thought I was completely just pranking her. And he walks over. while she's on this cross and says hi. He's with a woman, too. And it was just funny. Yeah, totally. Very second time.

And so then we had to have a conversation about that. Like, oh, my God, this is how it's going to be. We're going to be running into people. But, you know, the bottom line is they're there, kind of for the same reason you're there. So what's the big deal? Exactly. And that was fun. We had a good time.

We saw things that just blew our minds. There was a whole, not really a true Furby, but, you know, the guys that like to work, Oh my God. I've only had one on my show once. Yeah. Puppy play was something we were not aware of as they started to howl and bark at each other's butt. I can't. I can't. It was, and then we saw some really hard impact. And so the bottom line was we got this sampling. Yeah, I can imagine. This is really intense world. And to tell you the truth, I fell in love with it. I felt, I fell in love with the space. Yeah. And part of that, I come from a trauma-focused background in my first exposure to sex was abuse.

And so, you know, as you kind of get hardwired for your likes and dislikes and that kind of stuff, sometimes you feel like you're isolated and you're, you know, nobody else really understands. And just going into that room of all these other people with all kinds of proclivities and interests. That's just I just, I kind of fell in love with it. While I'm not interested in trying, I would never want to be a little or that kind of stuff. Yeah, I get it. The fact that we're in a non-judgmental space, especially at our age, was really nice. So that was our first foray into it.

And then based on that, we started to meet more people and learn about other events in the city, sex clubs, BDSM clubs, that kind of thing. So from there, it was, all right, let's, let's. let's explore a kink party at a different space. And that was one of the first times I experienced impact, both giving and receiving. And that was also eye-opening. So I come from a basically, certainly from the sexual abuse of trauma, that kind of stuff. I need to have control. Always been that way growing into an adult, got into a field that would allow me to do that kind of stuff and be very much 100%.

in control of everything. To get on across and have somebody start to flog you is really a growth moment for a I can imagine. Yeah, I can imagine because that's a total surrender. Yeah. I mean, did you know that you were interested in that? Or was it just like in the moment that you were like, I'm going to fucking go for this? Or did it?

Yeah. No, in the moment. Interesting. I was shocked at how much I, felt that that was good for me. Now, not crazy. I'm sure you have plenty of people listen to this that are in, they're into serious impact. Of course. And I'm sure you've seen the photos. And so, you know, we've, we've met people who really like, you know, the piercing and being suspended by by hooks. Oh my God, but that's not you. That's not me.

But you like light impact play. Definitely. And my wife also, started to express that she enjoyed it as well. And there's a memory burned. I'll never get rid of this memory. We went to an event where there were vendors there with equipment. And it was a holiday event. But it was strictly PDSM. You guess there could be some play in the background, some sex play, but this was mostly kink.

But anyway, somebody was selling a flogger. And they were telling us about the attributes of this. And they asked if you want to try it. and my wife just right there pulled her leggings down and put that beautiful butt out and the guy started showing me technique with flogging and I will never forget that that was that was one of the hottest things I've seen just because of the scenario you know and and so we both started to really enjoy also the different quality of impact toys you know you go from the the the Spencer's And the online kind of, you know, you could buy these cheap cloggers as compared to a really well-made one with different types of leather is eye-opening. It's a lot of fun. Right. So we started to do that. And at the same time, I started to practice Shabari, which is the art of, you know, bondage with rope.

And my wife really enjoys that. I enjoy it, but it's a lot of hard work to learn a lot of the technique. It's very intricate. And you do have to learn it. It's not like regular tying somebody up. Exactly. And so we started to get involved in that. I've let kind of my skill sets drop off, but I really would like to get back into that. So, you know, that was one of our first kind of BDSM parties. And while we were there, we met a number of people that I was blown away by just kind of the caliber of people and quality of people that we were meeting.

And in fact, a couple have become, you know, close friends of ours as well, that even though we made. may not play with them consistently. We've never swapped or anything like that. We see them socially just because we enjoy them as people. So that's been great. Hey, everyone. Let me ask you something. When was the last time you and your partner were actually really relaxed together at the end of the day? Not thinking about work, not stressed out from the day, just relaxed and enjoying each other. Because I don't know about you, but the older I get, the more I realize relaxation might be the most underrated Afrodisiac ever. If you can't let go of all the stuff you dealt with during the day, it's pretty hard to really enjoy your partner the way you should. And that's where Indicloud comes in.

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but I really would like to get back into that. So, you know, that was one of our first kind of BDSM parties. And while we were there, we met a number of people that I was just blown away by just kind of the caliber of people and quality of people that we were meeting. And in fact, a couple have been, have become, you know, close friends of ours as well, that even though we may not play with them consistently. We've never swapped or anything like that. We see them socially just because we enjoy them as people. So that's been great. And our first kind of combo play party, and let me just make sure I define the terms for you. When I say play party, I mean like open sex is, is allowable in the space. There might be people doing kink and bondage and impact that kind of stuff,

but there might just be people looking to swap up. So we were in kind of a combo play in BDSM party. And so we started playing for the first time, really, other than Cape Dogg, in a public space. This space had a number of theme rooms. And so we were in a theme room and people could walk by and see you, but they're not necessarily going to come in and join you. It's not like a mattress room. So, and we were having fun, and it was just interesting because at the end, by the end of the night, a number of people came up to us and said they really enjoyed watching us in our dynamic.

And I think part of that is because people can see we're so connected. Like, this isn't just sport banging. Right. This is two people really, really connected and enjoying their just being in the zone. And so while we were in the open, actually we were on a medical ticket. people. And it was interesting because at that point, we're both in our late 60s and the fact that people would come up to us and say that they enjoyed watching us, kind of reaffirming that you look good, you got a good energy, and, you know, you're accepted here. And you didn't disappear.

We didn't disappear. Yeah. Quite the opposite. Yeah, exactly. That was nice. And, you know, we had a number, a couple of couples that have, one in particular that night approached us. They really wanted to swap. And so, while we don't swap, the fact that we're invited to is also reaffirming that we're still sexual beings. We're not just senior citizens that are going to sit at home and, you know, watch TV. Yeah. So, you know, that was a good experience.

Again, from my wife's perspective, she knows that I really enjoy just the feeling of that seeing the eroticism of being in that space. She enjoys the costuming. I mean, she looks fantastic at corsets and stockings. And so that's fun. And then, you know, the impact, the Shabari, she really enjoys that. So she doesn't mind, excuse me, being seen along those lines. But full out open, like there's a sex club in the city that is pretty much just, for the most part, for swingers most of the time.

What's the name of that one? So if I tell you the name of that one, that would probably give away where we're at. Oh, okay, no problem. Yeah. But it's, you know, what your typical, you know, major city sex club would be like, which is a large space, a number of bars, huge mattress room, few private rooms off to the side, maybe a little BDSM stuff. But it's mostly for people. Go, dance, hook up, either screw in public or maybe just try to grab a room off. to the side.

So how do you find out about all these places in your area, by the way? So, fat life. Fat life, right? Okay. Yep. Yep. Okay. So that club is just, it was a basic swingers club.

Yes. And so we've gone there a couple of times. That really doesn't appeal to my wife as much as me. When we've been there, we've had fun. But, you know, it's. Why does your wife not like it? Or do, why is it not appealing? Then maybe not like is wrong for it.

Like, why is it not unappealing to her? Yeah, I think there are a couple of things that go on there. So, first and foremost, as compared to the kink space events, that skewed to a younger crowd probably at the sex club. Oh, okay. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, there was a broader range of ages in the kink clubs than there were in this space.

And so right off the bat, you feel a little bit different in the sense that clearly you're older than the majority of the people there. Personally, I think she looks equally good as any 25-year-old. But anyway, so that was one thing. The other piece was, you know, there's a lot of open space where, in fact, in one of the center rooms, there's a giant mattress space that it basically becomes. you're watching like just a porn movie. Yeah, like it's hardcore, hardcore. Yeah, and that's not... Appealing to her.

As compared to, we went to a space, not in our town somewhere else, but it was a large open space that had the lights dimmed down, different massage tables and mattresses. You could go in and do whatever you want there. You can just massage or you can have sex. Some people go in there to have sex, obviously.

But it's kind of dimly. lit. The music's a really good vibe in there. And so that was more appealing to her in terms of you can see people doing things, but it isn't like bright lights graphically almost like a clinical picture of what fornication

looks like. This is much more subtle the space that had the dim lights and mats and the massage. I got it. It's a little bit more hardcore in your face and that's not appealing to her, but it was to you, right? It was more straight up porn like you liked it, but your wife didn't. It wasn't her vibe. Yeah.

And I'm not quite as like in your face. I like it a little more subtle, but I would go back there. Probably one of the best memories for me going there is there was one area where there's a one area where there's like a little stage and a stripper pole. And just people that want to play around on the stripper pole would go and do it. And some of them were great. But there were couches around there. There's a bar area. And, you know, I'm just sitting back on the couch and my wife starts going down on me.

And, you know, it says out in public. I'm watching a woman on a stripper pole. It was like, wow, this is hot. Like, who does this 40 years plus into a relationship? You know, I just felt so fortunate that I was married to a woman that was willing to explore these things with me. So I enjoyed the space. I would go back, but I understand why it doesn't really appeal to my wife. So that's fine, too.

We did many of other things we can do that are fun. And so then we started to explore at the kink events, some of the other things. So like fire massage is incredible. And that's probably one of my wife's favorite thing. Explain what that is. I've never heard that either. Fire massage.

Yeah. A lot of, you know, and certainly the kink areas that we're familiar with, there's usually always a subset of people that enjoy using fire. So they have these, these wands with a wick at the end. They use a specific type of, I guess, rubbing alcohol some sort.

I'm not sure exactly what's used. They light usually it's at least two wands. And then they start to kind of massage your skin. They go over your skin with this burning wand. And it's hard to explain, but it's such a tactile feeling. You think you're going to get. it burned. But if somebody really knows what they're doing, they bring you to the point of,

that's a little uncomfortable, and then it's off you. So, and the trust, it's long, slow strokes very often, the trust between the person doing it and the person on the table has to be really, really good, obviously. And one of the last kink events we went to, there was somebody that we knew was really an expert at this. My wife got on the table and, uh, obviously you don't have any clothes on. And this guy did a fire massage front and back. It had to be a good 40 minutes. But you could tell both of them were just kind of in the zone.

He was feeding off her energy and her breathing. She was feeding off all the different areas that he was hitting with the fire. So, you know, very, very tactile, great experience. As I was only sure with somebody that's what they're doing. So we tried that. We tried the wax, the hot wax. the hot wax play, learned that I'm sure you're familiar with that. I'm assuming you can use a certain type of wax. Yeah, it's not like regular wax. I remember one boyfriend wanted to try it and

I used regular wax. But really when you're doing, like within that world, there is a special wax that you could buy, right? That is used specifically for that purpose. Exactly. Much safer than going to. Exactly. So I'd reckon if anybody shows an interest in that after listening to this, just please do your research because you can. get hurt. Yeah, get the ones that are made for that kind of kink. Like, they're specially made for that. Like, you could get them on, like, kink websites where they sell sex toys and stuff. Like, that's where that stuff exists. Yeah, exactly. It's not at the candle store in the mall. No. So, you know, you go to these events and often, you know, especially in major cities,

I'm sure they have these kind of sampling events where you kind of, you can go. And there are people with expertise in all types of kink play that will, you know, kind of show you the ropes. And so that's what we've been doing with Shabari. I started to learn wax, but that wasn't as high up on our fun list. Let me ask you a couple of questions, okay? So you've never, like you did, you said you did some sort of soft swap when you were like at that, at that resort in France. But, you know, have you ever decided, it like are do you guys ever plan to do anything more like along those lines or do you just enjoy sort of being together navigating the scene like together but not really being with other people as well as just like exploring kinks together or do you have a plan to me be hook up with other people a little bit

more eventually yeah well that's a loaded question you answer for me first and then tell me what your wife's answer would be yeah i i say for me by my my consistent answer over the last few years has been, I would love to experience a threesome. With another guy. With another guy. And really, the focus is the two of us making my wife feel great. Seeing her pleasure, you have that thing like that compurgent thing that most guys have. Like you want to see your wife being pleasure to the hundredth power.

I really do. Yeah. Along those lines, the furthest we've gone was we have invited a couple of people. that we met, men that we met, that we trusted, to engage with me in terms of giving her a forehanded massage in one of these spaces where you can do whatever you want. But the boundary that my wife put in place was she was going to touch either of us. And if anybody was going to touch her in terms of, you know, her genitals, it would be me in terms of like, like, they can't go inside her or anything. Like they can't go to third base. You can, though.

And so I, I, so that helped me kind of start to experience the fantasy that I've had. And it was super hot for me. I, you know, for my wife, I think it, once she could just kind of get into her zone and only focus on the touch and not so much, the fact that there's a strange man there, so to speak. She enjoyed it, but it was, you know, it was based on my prompting, it wasn't her saying I really want to try to do this. It was her trust in me to keep it safe that allowed us to try that. And so, you know, I still think that that would be an enjoyable thing to do. Even if it didn't turn into a threesome, I still would like to continue to do that. The funny thing, Kathy, is at this age, like I hear a lot of people that call into your show to talk about, they're playing the long game.

Yep. They start really slow, and, you know, they gradually get more and more comfortable with different things. And then they see, you know, and they might be playing for 10, 15 years. I've had those stories on many times. Yeah. And, you know, by the time we would play that long game, we're going to be in a senior citizen's home somewhere. You don't know. Listen, I think that sometimes for women, okay, why it takes like, you know, sometimes guys have to play the long game. And listen, I've had women on my show who are wired like men in that they could, they love to fuck random guys.

They could just see a strange man and fuck him right off the bat and be horniform and everything. But a lot of times women are just wired differently in that they have to like really sort of feel comfortable or know a guy or feel some sort of connection to be horny for him. Like we don't walk down the street like you guys do and see like a pair of like a guy's balls and get wet from it. Like it's just not the way that we're wired. It's unfortunate, but it's true. It's like a very different thing. So it's like, you know, most women can understand why a lot of times a woman like your wife isn't going to be down to just like walk in a place and like fuck some guy, you know, but you don't know that maybe two years from now while you're in your journey if you guys

become friends with people and stuff that there isn't a guy that she eventually maybe connects with on some level and feels comfortable going further, you know, but it's just a matter of like, maybe she doesn't feel hot for any of these guys, you know what I mean? And I love the fact that she's not going to like, she's not going to take it for the team, like, she's not doing it because she's not into it. But you never know maybe she will one day, but the circumstances have to be just right. My guy copped to me recently that he'd love to see me fuck someone else. I was like, oh my God, I would love to do that. But I'm like, I can only call up one of my old booty calls. Because like, who else am I going to fuck?

I'm not going to pick up a random guy in the street and bring him home. You know, so then it becomes like a problem. I haven't done it yet because my old booty calls weren't available. You know, so it's like it's, it is harder for women to bring that guy in. For the regular women, there's plenty of women that aren't wired that way, you know, but maybe with your wife if she does develop some sort of connection with the guy or all the stars aligned right now, you never know. Yeah, and I'm fine with that.

Yeah. Because, you know, I really have had to learn a lot in terms of these past few years of really understanding, you know, exactly where my wife is coming from, what her needs are. And that's where the communication, it's still, we have plenty of conversations that aren't super easy. And I was not someone that was all that skilled at designing or creating a fantasy scenario. I remember you were talking to one of your folks the other day where she was saying, I apologize, I don't remember the name of the woman that you were talking to, but she said that she, you know, she initially, sorry, just lost my train. It's okay. I was talking to somebody. You're bringing up the fact of like a fantasy.

Somebody was talking to me. Oh, yes. Thank you. So your friend was saying that she was giggling. She started giggling. and and you were asking her what what made it good eventually if you phrased it but but what she said was this guy stayed in character oh yeah this was a great one because it was about role play and the girl was like really uncomfortable but the guy stayed yeah and that was like key exactly yeah

and so i i think for for a lot of men like myself that ultimately they've already expressed a number of times oh i'd love to try a third in the bedroom Now, if you're doing fantasy play and your wife wasn't, your partner wasn't initially all that into it, and you really push the fantasy play, I could see where your partner then thinks this whole part of the agenda. And then that sets up a dynamic where maybe they're not that into the role playing because they think they're just making things even worse in terms of pushing for this to become a reality. Yes, that can be a challenge. Yeah, that's if they, that's like, that would be a problem with them still thinking that there's some sort of other angle going down. And typically there's not, you know what I mean? Typically in these kinds of situations, it's, there's no other angle than what you've stated, which is you would just really love to see your wife being pleasure.

You obviously don't have a desire to be with other women. You haven't talked about that once on this episode, really. You know, you just so, and that's really your ultimate goal. And that's all that it is. but, you know, unfortunately, like, we're never in somebody else's head, so you can never really know, right? So, you know, a lot of times women are thinking it's coming from a different place, but it is really that simple. That's all that's happening, even in the role play. Listen, and sometimes I have to say, you know, and maybe that's like her fear is that it would push her to maybe do something and maybe she has some sort of block to it.

But a lot of times, role playing, if you could really get into it, because I've had couples that have done, this, you know, it eventually does lead to it happening in real life because the wife does become much more comfortable with it via role play, you know, with toys or whatever, you know. And if you could really get into that, sometimes it eventually leads to that. If not, if you're really good at role play, sometimes that's enough. Yeah. And I think to say the truth, the more I can give them thought to it, I think it would be actually enough. Yeah. Yeah. I had a one couple and I loved it. They got a fuck machine. And they were like, you know, what they were doing, they were like on a website looking for other couples and we and in the meantime and they bought a fuck machine and then they

started doing that and then they did do like a little experimenting with like sending couples like videos back and forth right but then once they had the fuck machine and they were role playing and they were doing the video swapping and they realized that's enough for them they didn't want to go out and really cross the line with other people within their relationship and they were getting so much out of those two things that they were doing that why not you know and I think if you really get into roleplay enough and you have good enough imagination. Like, it can be enough. Yeah, I agree.

And that's where I really need to step up my game. And it's interesting, because when you've been with somebody for as long as the decades that we've been together, you know each other so well that I think I'd have an easier time slipping into role play. With a stranger. Yeah. Of course. I totally get it.

My booty call guy, I don't do role play with him because he was like a really good friend of mine for many years. It was more uncomfortable to not be yourself with someone you know than with a fucking stranger. It's also opposite with the way it should be, but I totally understand it. You know, but I think if you get past the initial uncomfortableness of it all, of like, you know, because it is acting, you know, that's really, like I, when I, on that same episode, I talked about how, like, the one guy that was like the best role play guy with me was a guy who was an actor. Like, that was what he did for a living. And he was so good at it. And that was the time in my life where I was

able to go there the most. And it was because he was staying in character. Like one person, I think, sometimes just needs to be good at role play and the other one could relax into it. When you got two people that are like, oh, like a little shy, because it is weird. Like I said, it's acting. Then you could have some problems, but I think, you know, you just got to do it and keep doing it. And then you could really get into it. Yeah. And, you know, what's helped too is, you know, I listened to your ads about Dipsy.

Yeah. We ended up subscribing to it. And because women tend to be less of vision, you know, we're not. The audio aspects of it, we both enjoyed. I've learned to enjoy more. Yeah, yeah. So that's been a great tool as well as experimenting with these other things. Well, you could use that in your roleplay, you know?

It's like talking about this stuff, like letting her lay down in bed and like just talking, like creating a whole scene with another guy and just, you know, just talking that through without doing anything. You know, if she gets turned on by what she hears more so than, you know, what. what she sees. Yeah. Yeah. So all those things have come and play, your podcast has been a tremendous resource for me to start to think about how I can continue to build on what we have here. Yeah, I love that.

And listen, I just taped somebody else today, and he was talking about how him and his wife, like, listened to my podcast, and they just recently opened up and how they would, like, stop. And, like, they listen to episodes, and then they're listening together as a couple. And they stop. and then they discuss things that they hear and then they talk about like what what like if his wife says oh I would never do that he says like why and you know they use it like as a way to communicate and bring things up and discuss things you know different topics depending on what they're listening

to and what I noticed and I said to him on that podcast too is that like over time I've been doing my show for 11 years right I've talked to 1300 people back in the day when I started it was all guys listening to my show you know and the two things that I noticed recently that have changed over time is there's a lot more women and a ton of couples doing exactly like what you guys are doing. Couples that are like listening to learn and become educated, you know, whether they're listening together or the guy listened first and then he got his wife into it, you know, and that's like a very new thing over the past few years, you know, and I think that that's great. Yeah. And now our health providers have to figure this stuff out because, and I know we talked about, I'll call back another

time to talk. Oh, we'll get into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a good teaser. Tease it away. But I will say, as we started to kind of really want to rebuild this incredible sexual chemistry that we had, I'm realizing the cock isn't working the way it used to. And it's, I mean, it's working, but it's not like I wanted to. And so I really started to try to figure out, you know, I can't maintain the erection quite as long as I used to. orgasms don't feel the same at all, et cetera, et cetera. I went to three different urologists, and every one of them said, that's what happens when you get old.

Wow. Oh, that is not goddamn acceptable. Yeah, see, this is the kind of shit. This is why I started my sexual health Saturdays, because I can't wait to talk to you about this for like a whole fucking hour, because it is a problem, and I love that you say that, like, this needs to be changed and these people need to start, like, sort of thinking differently, you know, because, like, these doctors, a lot of them, unfortunately,

or like haven't been to school since they graduated, right? They haven't learned anything new. And it's just like the things that they tell people when they get there is like, it's shocking to me. And, you know, I love when people think for themselves. Like, you know, everyone has to advocate for themselves. I don't believe anybody. So I never just listen to my doctor no matter what they said.

But a lot of people do. And it's kind of dangerous because a lot of doctors will tell people, oh, you don't need hormones or your levels are normal. Yeah, normal for a 70-year-old. But maybe you want to be normal for a 40-year-old. and you could go on testosterone and feel fucking better. You know, maybe your dick, you want, it's normal for it to be that way for 75, but maybe there's something you could do to make it like you're 45, right?

Exactly. Yeah. And so you didn't stop after three doctors, obviously. No. And that's what we're going to talk about. Right. I love that. It was unacceptable.

Yeah. And so, you know, part of it is stuff that I've heard from your podcast. I did the research. I kicked it off from there. Yeah. And then I did my own. And then I found a couple. of tools that we'll get into in another call. Yeah, I can't wait. Yeah, it brought me back not to

be in 25, but 45? Yeah, I mean, 45, 50 in there. Yeah, that's amazing. Better. Yeah. Yeah, that's amazing. And listen, I think that that's like, that's what's key. And I think, like, just like people are coming to the podcast to learn all those kinds of things, whenever I air an episode on HRT, especially for women, you know how many guys email me like, where was that doctor or what was that my wife needs it you know blah blah blah and same thing with like your episode coming up that we're going to talk about like guys are looking for that kind of information too so there's a lot of education around this kind of stuff that needs to happen and I think it's happening on podcasts too which is great and that's why like I said I started my sexual health Saturdays and I'm very excited that's why

I was like let's split up these episodes I don't want to you know sort of cut short your whole experience with your wife because I think it's super interesting for such an a couple like older age you know getting into the lifestyle and doing what you do especially because you're newbies and that you haven't gone too far. I love a couple that hasn't been so hardcore. I think that that's such an interesting angle on its own. But I really want to, I think it's really important to also do the whole ED thing and your quest to figure that out and your whole story about all your doctors and everything because I think that that will be educational for other people as well. Because you're not the only one, you know? No, no, not at all. Yeah. Yeah. So I love this whole

episode. You tease it up perfectly. You told a great story. I love your whole. thing. Now, you sent me in a couple of picks of your wife. Now, am I allowed to use those picks on my Patreon or my Discord or were those just for me? No, you can because we wanted to make it anonymous and... Yeah, I'll make it anonymous. I'll take out the faces.

I'll put, there's just one that you sent me. I'll put it up, it's a little X rated, so I'll put it up on Discord, but, you know, thank you so much for calling in. You will get a free access to my Discord when you hang up. Are you on my Discord yet or no? I am, yeah. You sent me the connection already,

Oh, okay. So you'll, you know, but you'll get guest channel if you want to like post picks and stuff when your episode airs. I'll put it on there. It'll be after the holidays. Your episode will be up in January. Do me a favor and book right now from that same link, a time to call back in for your sexual health Saturday episode so we could talk about your whole, all of that stuff. That sounds good. Okay. Okay. Thank you so much for letting senior citizen come in and for all of you out there. senior citizens hang in there. You can become sexual again. It's fantastic. Yeah. And for all you younger people out there, just senior citizens still fuck. Okay. So it gives you hope that one day when you get older, you could fuck too. Stay fun. You know what I mean? Like I love these stories for that reason. So anyway, thank you so much for calling it and sharing your story. And I look forward to talking to you again soon. Book it soon. Okay. So we could get that other one tapes. I will. Thanks so much. All right. Thanks, Dave. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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