Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1481 - Carlos is a Gay Man who Hooks up with Straight Guys & Couples

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Starting point is 00:02:08 Probably the only good advice I'll ever give you is to re-hide your wips and change. Here is your host, Kathy. Hey, welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast with Kathy. Okay, listen, today is Sunday. And on Sundays, I don't go through my whole blah, blah, blah stuff and promoting all my stuff before I get into the guest. It is Pride Month. June is Pride Month. I live in New York City. We have the best game pride parade ever, okay? And I decided to have on Carlos. Carlos emailed me randomly, recently, saying you want to be on the show and talk about being a gay guy who hooks up with straight guys and couples, okay? He is on like the other side of a lot of my episodes. Okay, typically I'm talking to a lot of guys who are into a guy and guy action, but they're doing it on the DL and they're straight, right,

Starting point is 00:02:54 and they're married and all that kind of good stuff. Well, he's the gay man that sometimes these guys hook up with, okay? And he has a very interesting perspective about all of that. Besides a super interesting story. So we get his perspective on like how he feels when he hooks up with these people and how they treat him and what goes down in those kinds of hookups compared to the hookups he has with gay men and how it differs and, you know, what maybe these guys could do differently. Okay. And he also then, we talk all about his life. Like when he knew he was gay, how he came out. He had a very long-term relationship. He was monoccur. He was monocon. And when he got out like three years ago, he started doing all kinds of crazy things.

Starting point is 00:03:32 Like he even hooked up with couples, like I said. And he's been on sniffies and abs. And he had a lot of hookups with straight guys. And then we talk all about all that kind of stuff too. It's super interesting episode. Like I said, I'm typically talking to the straight guy who he is hooking up with. I'm so glad that I was talking to the gay man that he hooked up with the straight guys. You know, and got the story from his perspective, especially because it's Pride Month.

Starting point is 00:03:56 We started off talking a lot about sniffies. and I'm obsessed with Siffies and we're like, oh, I should do for Pride Month this month, a whole episode about Sniffies and going on there because I'm so obsessed with it. You'll learn about Sniffies on this call too. But anyway, it is Pride Month, so I'm airing him now on a Sunday. So I'm going to get right to it and be right back on with Carlos. This is the Strictly Anonymous Podcast. Strictly Anonymous Podcast. Hi, Carlos.

Starting point is 00:04:24 Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous Podcast. How are you today? I am doing great. How are you? Listen, I think it's perfect timing. I have to say. You are, it is Pride Month, okay? And you, you like, emailed me. I was like, oh my God, I need to, like, I don't have a lot of gay men on my show, though I have a lot of guys who like to suck dick. Okay. And a lot of guys who are like into guys, but I'm not gay. You know what I mean? And I'm like, oh my God, you wanted to. And you were like, hey, I would love to come on. You know, not even about Pride Month. I'm just, I'm just hooking this up for Pride Month because it's such perfect timing because it happens to be Pride Month. And like I said, I don't get a lot of gay guys on my show. And you happen to say that you want to talk about being on the opposite side. Like you are a gayman that hugs up with straight guys sometimes, right? Like those guys that are on my show that like want to suck a dick. You know, of course I'm going to get your whole story.

Starting point is 00:05:10 But I think it's like kind of perfect timing because it is prime month. So there you go. Right. Yes. No, I agree. And I can't. Yeah, we can really, I'm looking forward to talking about it. And yeah, it's true.

Starting point is 00:05:21 Your show does not have a lot of, a lot of air quotes gay out men like living on the streets. that gay. You know what I said? Maybe I could like be something and like talk about my side of things along with my whole story like you mentioned. Like I don't know. I think there's I think there's a little bit of unspoken sides on the gay side. Yeah, like what?

Starting point is 00:05:39 Yeah. Let's start there. And then we're going to get your whole life story and and your stuff and everything. But what are we going to say about the unspoken stuff? Well, maybe not the unspoken stuff. I don't know. I'm a little confused about that. But like it all to me, it always feels very transactional, right?

Starting point is 00:05:54 Which of course it's going to be transactional. because that's how hookups are. Welcome to the world of straight women. Okay? That's how we feel too when we hook up. I'm right. It's not so bad. I don't feel the same would I have hookups with gay men.

Starting point is 00:06:08 It's kind of hot for gay men to do it. Right? We're like, oh my God, forbidden fruit. Like, you know, this and that. But they don't think that we're forbidden fruit. It's not mutual, in my opinion. They just want to come and stick their dick in something. Or, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:06:22 Or put a dick in their mouth, right? Right? And like post nut. clarity for straight men is very different. Usually it's like come, they're gone and it's like, I mean, I'm not looking for a cuddle either, but like it's like you could tell how uncomfortable they get sometimes. Yeah, well, listen, I mean, how many times do you hear it on my show with these guys? It's like, oh, I like, oh, I like the second day, but I'm not okay. And I'm like, well, why would that be a bad thing? I don't understand. There is still this like huge stigma. It's like ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:06:49 I do. I agree with that. Now, I, like, in their defense, yes, want to continue this narrative, I have met someone recently. And it's actually the person who turned me onto your show, which is kind of funny. He is a straight guy, and he kind of explained it to me. He was like, I don't get it once or twice a year. I just need to suck a dick. And I don't want to be with you. I don't want to really hang out with you very much.

Starting point is 00:07:12 I don't know what it is. And I'm like, no offense. I love the communication. That's awesome. You know what I'm saying? We all know what's going on. So like, and I think he kind of opened my eyes a little bit to like, I don't know, like, you don't have to call a straight dude gay.

Starting point is 00:07:29 Like, don't put people in boxes just because you want to dick in your mouth. Like, they're tons of fun. I'm gay and I like boobs. Like, that doesn't make me. So many gay men do. Isn't that a real thing? Yeah, I don't know what it is. It's just our breed.

Starting point is 00:07:41 We're wild. You know us. Yeah, you're fun. I always tell my straight guys, like you, my straight friends, you'd be so much happier if you were gay. I think gay men have the best sex lives ever. You know what I mean? Because the person that you're hooking up with is like wired like you are.

Starting point is 00:07:54 are wired very differently sexually than men, you know, most women, the majority, right? Yeah, for sure. I couldn't agree with that more. And I also think, like, no shade towards straight people or straight men or anything, but like, get on prep. That's not just for the gays. Like, you know, protect yourself and, like, own your own sexual health. And I think that's why we also feel very comfortable because 99, I don't want to speak for all the gays, but a lot of gay people, you know, we're known for being sexual, you know, and if you're married, you're in an open relationship. And we don't, we want to take care of our bodies as just as much as anybody else. So. And thank fucking God you can. Because I mean, like what happened was like horrific.

Starting point is 00:08:35 You know what I mean? Because that happened in my lifetime. I remember when AIDS became a thing. And the fact that in my same lifetime, there's something called prep and you could take it. And even if you get it, you there's now there's also many medications, but there's a medication that you could take that you don't get. I mean, it's like unbelievable how far things have come. Oh, I know. Yeah, what you're talking about, like the undetectable viral load if you did contract it. Right. I mean, it's amazing.

Starting point is 00:08:59 Yeah, I think it's awesome. It's awesome. I really, like, I always think about this with like hearing a lot of your, I say straight listeners or straight guests or whatever because a lot of them are male, female, whether they're, so I consider them not straight, but they're a straight couple, so to speak. Like, and you guys are swinging and you're doing this? Like, I want to be like, are you doing? And I get it, condoms. I always hear condoms. That's like a rule.

Starting point is 00:09:23 but like come on. If there's like the extra protection of like the extra layer of protection, open your eyes people. Like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have plenty of people that say like what the fuck are they doing to. Trust me. Plenty of people look at them and be like, how are you protecting yourself?

Starting point is 00:09:37 You know, but for so long it was this big stigma for in the gay community. But like, you know, straight people have anal sex. Straight people could still contract. Like there's all kind. You know what I mean? It was just more prevalent. But it was like, you know, straight people could get it too. Right.

Starting point is 00:09:52 we're just having more sex. Like in the gay community. I really think so, to be honest with you. Like, oh, and it's a great thing. I used to have, like, you know. Because there's no girl stopping you from doing whatever the fuck you want. I mean, straight men are stopped by women. That's the only reason why they don't get off as much as they want to.

Starting point is 00:10:09 That's the, sorry. Right. Then they hit me up on fucking sniffies, creeps like. Oh, yeah. I, by the way, I'm obsessed with sniffies. I had a reason. Did you download it? No, not yet.

Starting point is 00:10:21 I was dying. I don't know why I have it because I'm just stupid. I'm only like a one woman show and I do seven episodes a week on my Discord, my Patreon. So like honestly, like I don't know if you heard the episode. I had a real young guy on who was like married six month in and like going on Sniffies. And I was like fascinated. Yes. You know it was the guy with the Home Depot?

Starting point is 00:10:38 Oh my God. Do you know what someone told me on my Patreon? They told me that Home Depot, there was one Home Depot in his town that it was so rampant from Sniffies, people going in there. Because I never knew that people went underneath the stall. You know what I mean? That whole underneath the stall thing. So you know what?

Starting point is 00:10:52 this Home Depot did, it was so bad, so many gay men were hooking up that they built the stall all the way to the ground. They had to redo the whole bathroom. I'm like, I'm obsessed with the Sniffies and Home Depot and everything that's going down with Sniffies. You know what I mean? Yeah, Sniffies is wild, wild.

Starting point is 00:11:08 I'm actually, I'm not new to Sniffies, but like, once I kind of like get my story out, like it's kind of a newer platform for me. And I was like, whoa, this is wild how these people can, like, oh, I'm at the JC Petties. bathroom. I'm like, crazy pennies. Jesus. Get it together, people. No, this guy told me like it's in the mall.

Starting point is 00:11:29 They're certain, like, everyone, they're kind of like in the know where you could go to have these bathrooms that are like on the DL. I was like mesmerized. I'm like, oh my God, every time I go to the mall, my son I'm going to be putting on sniffies and looking around to be like, where's the bathroom where there's a gay men in there? You know, I haven't done it yet. I don't know why because I'm very curious. But I was like obsessed. Is it, but do you find as a gay man when you go on there that you find more gay men on there or is it more? Or is it more? straight guys that are like cheating on their wives or whatever or like the guys that are on my show just like look in a sick of dick yeah i like i live in a city so it's like i i feel like i see a little bit of both like like a good thing of 50-50 we have like the gays who are like hey i'm going to the bathhouse i'm going to the arcades i'm going to this right and so like and straight men do that too but you're why you don't have to commit to it kathy you can like you can cruise air quotes anonymously. You don't have to create a profile. No, I know. That's what someone told me. They're like, it's so easy. You could just open it up.

Starting point is 00:12:26 Like, it's that easy. You do like a little captcha and usually it's something gay. Like, oh, match this like, you know, this butt plug and like to the right place. Oh, that's fun. Yeah, like this jockstrap, move it over here. So it makes sure that you're a human being, right? It's like the cruiser. And then all of a sudden these bubbles of like dicks, headless torsosos, you name it. There's not a lot of faces on there. Yeah, you need to check it out. I would love to like hear about what you think about it. Yeah. And then I'll do a whole.

Starting point is 00:12:51 Sniffy's episode for Pride Month. I'll just keep doing Pride runs. Every Sunday is going to be like a Pride thing. I'm going to do a whole Sniffy's episode because I'm obsessed with it. So I'm going to do my homework because I really was like obsessed with it after I got it. And then I got like probably obsessed with something else for some reason. But real quick before we get to your whole story. Like do you like have you like where besides Home Depot and the mall like where's like the kind of other places where people are doing this on Sniffie's?

Starting point is 00:13:15 Like is it in rest stops? Like where have you met up with people in your city? I have it. I haven't met anybody up. I'm not a big public play person. Oh, interesting. Okay.

Starting point is 00:13:25 So I'm not. This is what I see. People will post on these threads saying I will be here and so and so. So what I see here is, yeah, sure, Home Depot, that's a pretty popular one. You know, video arcades with glory holes, all that kind of stuff. Of course, right? Right. Interesting.

Starting point is 00:13:41 Yeah. Like, again, people are like into that, like public play stuff, which is, hey, no, yuck on anyone's young. I'm just saying I'm not about to get caught up in that. But they'll, yeah, they'll talk about parks. They'll talk about what else do they talk about? I don't know. One day I'm telling you, just no, they have this.

Starting point is 00:13:59 I'm going to. I'm going to. If you paid, they just literally post, post, post. And I think you live in like Northeast or something. I live in New York City. So I wonder. Oh my gosh. Crazy, right?

Starting point is 00:14:09 I need to like, I need to be on the street walking around it, like live from Sniffies. Yes. Your Sniffy's segment needs to just literally be you reading what these people say. They have no shame. They have no shame. I'm hogtied in my hotel room with the door open. Just come on in. Well, listen, I appreciate.

Starting point is 00:14:31 I'm like very much a girl, right? But I'm very much like a guy, guys kind of girl. You know what I mean? Like, I'm a little bit like a dude in certain ways. So I tend to be very direct. And I tend to like I always have my girlfriends, you know,

Starting point is 00:14:42 but I love having guy friends because I love how fucking direct and to the point guys are. And it's no difference when it comes to sex. Like they're right there. But one of my favorite. episodes, by the way, the title was James is a cum dump. And honestly, like, James was a gay man who, like, found this guy on Twitter who set up, like, these gang bangs at his house for men who wanted to be, like, gang banged and he would, like, put numbers on their ass as they said, you know how many got, you didn't know what I'm talking? Yeah. And I was like, oh my God. And, like,

Starting point is 00:15:08 he was like, literally, like, the most hardcore crazy, like, here, like, what he was doing was just, like, seriously as, like, raunchy as the title. But he was the most loveliest man, like, ever. I was obsessed with James. And it's just like, you know, I think gay men get to be like all of who like every straight guy wishes they could be. You don't mean because they're not like no one's saying like, ew, you're so gross. Like they don't have to hide their sexuality and what they're into. And I kind of love that.

Starting point is 00:15:37 Yeah. It's not like my guy, straight guy friends don't wish they could talk like that. Yeah. No, again, like I think back and like a lot of like my friends would be kind of joke. And like people say, well, if you could change it. Would you? Absolutely not. Like, there is no way. I would not want to, I would not want it.

Starting point is 00:15:55 No offense to trans people. I'm just saying, like, I am like, being gay is just like a life that I've come into. And I love it. Well, let's talk about how you came into it. I want your life story too, because you wound up, hook it up with a straight guy that listened to my show. So I know you kind of play and you have an interesting life. Let me start where you're at right now.

Starting point is 00:16:13 Are you like in a relationship or are you single? No, I am single. I am currently single. Okay. And when you are in relationships real quick, are you typically a monogamous person or do you, are you, do you have open relationships? Because I know that every gay man has open relationships. That's a myth. I know that.

Starting point is 00:16:30 Yes, that is a myth for sure. So I have only been in one relationship and it was a very long term monogamous relationship. Okay. So currently, like that ended about three years ago. And currently I'm like having fun. I live in my best life when it comes to sex. Yeah, why not? I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:16:47 I'm exploring. I'm like doing like everything that I feel like I want to do. I'm a gay person. Yeah, I love it. I'm usually monogamous. I'm thinking forward. I think I'm about ready to start dating with intention again. Uh-huh.

Starting point is 00:16:59 And I don't think I would, I want to be monogamish, if that makes sense. Yeah, of course. Just like, yeah, I think we should probably be together because that's this kind of like comfort I need to be together for a few years or a couple years or a year, whatever it works for us, not just me. But then maybe we can open it up when we're on vacation or, you know, we have a fun event or I don't know if something happens with one of our friends and it just happens. Like I don't want to put super big rules on if we're going to be monogamous or not. And I find that as a

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Starting point is 00:19:53 I mean, I get it. So how long were you in that long-term relationship for it? Was it like 10 years, 15 years? Yeah, it was like flirting with like 10 years. Okay. I mean, like in gay years, God, you multiply that much. Yeah, and in your younger life, I'm sorry, but like 10 years, this feels like, like 40 years. You know what I mean? When you get my age, it's like a year goes by in five seconds.

Starting point is 00:20:11 You know what I mean? But like you were like doing 30 to 40 or 25 to 35. Those are like major 10 years of your life, you know? Yeah, they definitely were. I mean, it was a great relationship, you know, don't really care to talk too much about it. We don't need to. I want to go back though before that relationship. Like when you came out, when you knew, I find those kinds of stories to be interesting and how your family reacted and how you felt about it. Yeah. Those are the best questions. I've gotten from all my straight friends my whole life, so I'm really good at them. But yeah, I actually knew I was, I knew I was gay, something gay, oh, probably when I was like four or five years old. Right.

Starting point is 00:20:47 Right. A lot of gay people, they always like, will ask each other like my gay friends, like, oh, what was your childhood like, like, scratch the itch? Like, what made you think that you were gay? And I was like, well, I was on Target and I was looking at this freaking underwear models on the cane. And I'm like, I knew, I didn't know, I mean, I knew, I didn't really know what, I didn't really know what. was, but I was like, I think I want that muscle man to be somewhere around me, okay? I don't care where it is. But my mom actually caught me like looking at it one time. I was like really funny.

Starting point is 00:21:19 But yeah, so I knew like kind of going to that and then just growing up, it's like, okay, I know it's, I came out when I was like 14, like really young. Before I was even physical with another guy. I knew it. I was like, if anyone said. And what gave you the balls, though, at 14? to come out. I just,

Starting point is 00:21:40 I am so sure that I'm gay and like, you just didn't want to live in the closet. Like you didn't feel shameful. Because I feel like even though some people really know, they just don't have, like they hide it for so long. It's like, I remember when Ricky Martin,

Starting point is 00:21:54 like it was so obvious he was gay the whole time. And I was always like, why doesn't he fucking admit it? Like, what's this problem? You know, and then he finally did. And then when I heard him talking about why he kept it himself, like I really felt for him.

Starting point is 00:22:05 And it really, like I really understood it in every. And you know, you just never know someone's journey, right? And their reasonings. But so I feel like a lot of people they might really know, but a lot of people are really afraid to put it out there for one reason or another. I feel like it's very bold of you back in those days to have come out at 14. Did you have like a very open family and you knew that they would be cool with it?

Starting point is 00:22:25 So I think the reason why, yes, I'll answer it in a second, but like kind of the follow up to what you're saying if it's okay of like the reason why I think I had the balls to just come out with it is because I'm not a masculine man. There is not hiding it. I don't care. I take for a lot of therapy to figure out how much I love my non-masculinity. You know what I'm saying? Oh, good, good.

Starting point is 00:22:46 But like growing up being bullied, right? Oh, you sound like a girl. You do this. I like remember thinking, well, fuck it. Yeah, you're right. I'm gay. Good for you. Good for you.

Starting point is 00:22:57 Move the fuck on. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's the best thing to diffuse the bullying maybe, right? In a weird way? Yeah. I mean, kind of also, I think it was just like, I wasn't, I was kind of shy back then and like, you know, I just, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:23:12 I just, I don't know. That sounds like I was not shy, but I was really. And I was just, I just felt like how to be true to myself. You could be shy and have balls at the same time. Being shy doesn't mean you don't have balls. Both things can exist. Yeah. That's true.

Starting point is 00:23:25 Yeah. But to answer your question about the family, I actually have a very, like, supportive family, which is like, I know how fortunate I truly am. Because not everybody in the LGBTQ community, I know people who have been completely disowned for whatever handmade sale reason that their family feels like they need to just own their kids. You know, like that's bullshit.

Starting point is 00:23:44 I know, sad. You're your children, like, I don't even want kids. I don't even like kids. Like, no offense. I don't want them. Like, seriously, but like, I don't care who you are. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:55 They're your kids. You need to, like, you know. Somebody, let me say, let me tell you, I always wanted a kid and I have a kid. And when you had a child, okay, like for me as a mom who has a child and the way I feel about my child, I can't even believe a parent would disown their child for anything. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:24:11 Like so to me it's like horrifying that somebody would do that to their child just because of their sexual preference or whatever. You know what I mean? It's like I can't fucking understand it at all. As a mom, as someone who likes kids, I just like your love should be unconditional. And it's sad because I feel like it's like religion. And it's a lot of like stupid shit that has nothing to do with anything that people buy into these like, you know, the people like, you know, for conservative people or people that

Starting point is 00:24:36 raised to not have their own free-thinking brain, you know, and it's kind of sad. Oh, it's super sad, but I think there is, like, sometimes I like to look at like things half classful and like, like, yeah, but something that it has done for gay people, though, has made us friends become family. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, that's nice. I think that's what our community can be pretty strong. I mean, I think so I don't want to speak for all gay people, okay, but I know the people that I've met who've had those really terrible experiences with their families. like they do become family to me, even though they might come to my Thanksgiving. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:25:11 Yeah. Amazing. Right. Right. Yeah. And so I don't know. I just, I feel like it creates certain bonds with people in a horrible way. You know what I'm saying? Right. But at least there is that bond and then there's a place where they feel like they could belong because that's what it's all about, right? I mean, that's. Sure. Yeah. And that's great that people like welcome in and then that's what it happened. So you didn't, so that I'm sure help that you knew that your parents were going to receive the news okay and you weren't going to be shunned. I feel like probably a lot of other kids that are too afraid.

Starting point is 00:25:38 It's like, you know, it's because they sense on every level that their parents aren't going to be okay. And that's like a scary thing. So your parents, were they like, oh, we always knew because you said you were so like feminine acting and stuff? Like, were they like not surprised when you came out? Oh, no. They were like, we never.

Starting point is 00:25:54 Like, you know, which, and that was another reason why. It's like, I felt like I was lying to my family who I loved. Right. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, and like friends and stuff like that. I'm like, oh, I don't want to keep that. You know, there's just like too much.

Starting point is 00:26:06 And so, yeah, of course we knew. Well, thank God. And thank you for letting me make it my journey, you know, like, or whatever. Right. They never, so, right. So, right, so they never said anything to you first. Like, they waited for you to tell them. No.

Starting point is 00:26:20 They were never like, Carlos, do you, like, they didn't say anything like that. Like, Carlos, do you want to, like, be with men? Do you find men? Right. They never questioned. I don't know how parents talk about that. Like, I've never heard that. But, like, I'm sure.

Starting point is 00:26:33 has something that I don't know how they never really hounded me or asked me any questions about it. They let me come to them, which is great. And then what about your friends? Oh, my friends, they didn't care either. Right. Now, there were peers, right, growing up, like high school and stuff, and they were kind of mean. Like, I was telling you bullying, like a little bit. But, like, I also was just like, fuck you.

Starting point is 00:26:53 Like, I was always kind of like that. Like, even as now, like, oh, I don't like, cause for what you're wearing or this or that. And it's like, no, fuck you. Like, that's not up to you. So I kind of let it slide off my back. But also it would hurt. You know what I'm saying? If you wanted to be accepted.

Starting point is 00:27:08 I mean, that's what human race. We want to be cool. You know what I'm saying? We want to be like the hot person and this and that. And like was not the hot person. Not a lot of gay people in my school. You know,

Starting point is 00:27:19 not a lot of pickings for me. So, you know, yeah. When did you have your first? Like, first of all, are you like,

Starting point is 00:27:25 what's the name for like is a gold star gay a man who's never been with a woman? Like, what are those terms? I know. I like the terms. In the community, this is like such a specific country. Sometimes we're like, this is wildly offensive. Sometimes it's like, oh my God, like this is meaningful.

Starting point is 00:27:41 I don't get offended, so I don't really fucking care. Oh, okay. So, yeah, like, seriously not at all. But I don't even need the terms. I just think they're funny. But I'm like, have you ever been, were you ever with a woman in any way, shape, or former? Were you never ever, like, hooked up?

Starting point is 00:27:55 Okay, you were. Yes, that's part of my journey, too. For sure, for sure. Like, I am not a gold star. At all. Okay. Like I'm not, I don't even think I have a star. Maybe bronze. Maybe bronze or color. I'm not sure. Whatever the chief one is, I am not. I am not a gold star. Okay. And I don't care. Yeah, why not? I mean, like, so were you just exploring when you were younger? Like, were you first with women because you were just like pretending and, you know, maybe thinking maybe you were into them? No, actually, not really. So I guess can I like kind of? side swipe into like the first sexual experience. So like, yeah,

Starting point is 00:28:35 that's where I want to go. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, in high school I did have my first like sexual experience of the guy. Okay. Mm-hmm. One of the other,

Starting point is 00:28:43 what, two, no, including myself. So, and that was great, you know, it's just like a blowy,

Starting point is 00:28:48 nothing big. I mean, obviously none of us lasts a long at all. so, but like it really like solidified. Like I was like, yep, yep,

Starting point is 00:28:55 I'm gay. Yeah, you know, yeah. Yeah. Like I knew I wanted this, right? And this is,

Starting point is 00:29:00 this is great. So, moving forward like again I had mostly straight friends now I did you're going to be a little shocked I did have some straight friends in college right that you know oh oh we joked about blowing me joked about blowing me well then here I am blowing them you know my guy you know my times I've heard that story yeah for sure oh my god me too like all of the days we joke about this we're like oh my god so yeah so that kind of happened which was I think cool experiences for me because it was more like friendly stuff but like also a little bit older and it's like oh this is like this guy's actually

Starting point is 00:29:35 like six foot like back then i'm like you're like a few years older than me so you're like a little bit manual manlier than me you know what i'm saying and so it's like oh this is cock it's like bigger than the last one like this is what i want like i'm learning all this kind of stuff right yeah interesting so then i kind of like take a break after all that i get into my relationship which was again wonderful it was great but through all of these times i'm I'm really realized that I'm starting to listen to a lot more like sex podcasts. And like under like not just when I say sex, I mean like sexuality, relationship building. You know, like that kind of stuff.

Starting point is 00:30:11 It's not all crass, you know. Yeah. A lot of it's like just interesting and informing and like I don't even to learn people. Yeah, I get it. Right. Like I lost my virginity to my first relationship, right? I felt like I was missing out. You know, like wait, there's more to this.

Starting point is 00:30:26 So after I, I went, we went different. ways from each other. I remember walking into my apartment, still in like the little town over there wherever I lived. And I walked in there and I was like, you know what? I remember telling myself, I'm going to learn how to fuck. Like, I am going to learn how to fuck and I'm going to try different flavors of men. I need to experience it. I know it's not like a movie magic moment, but like literally I was like, I felt suppressed, right? I am not religious anymore. I don't have anything. I'm fairly successful at this point. You know, like I can take care of myself. And like, I am ready to experience men.

Starting point is 00:31:03 Like, and I don't want just one. Yeah, interesting. And so we're talking just three years ago. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's like I'm very new. Yeah. Yeah. A little bit of a late bloomer, but it's never too late.

Starting point is 00:31:16 I mean, you're still really young. It's like, you know. Yeah. Oh, oh, I'm fucking like I'm in my 20s. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't even. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:23 So, yeah. So I was, before I moved to the West Coast, I was like I did this little saga, right? I had this amazing, like the next person I had sex with, I was like, I want them to be different. I want them to be spicy. I want them to savage me. So, of course, I find a hot, sexy, tall Latino daddy, of course. Those are the best kinds of find.

Starting point is 00:31:42 Oh, really? Because they're so sexual and sexy and hot. They're so sexual. Life to date, best sex of my life still. And I've had sex with a lot of people after him. Yeah, I get it. So he was with Latin men. I get it.

Starting point is 00:31:57 He was married. Don't worry. he was married. Yeah, found that out the second time we met and, you know, yeah, I know.

Starting point is 00:32:04 And then there's guilt there because I'm still kind of like, oh, you know, and it's, it's a bullshit. I'm like, well, does your wife know?

Starting point is 00:32:09 Well, it's like, don't ask, don't tell. No, she doesn't fucking know. You, who do you think I am?

Starting point is 00:32:14 Like, grow up hair. Anyways, really good sex. He really taught me, like, things that I've never done before, actually and things that I actually,

Starting point is 00:32:23 like, I want to, though? I mean, like, do you mind me asking, like, what kind of things that you had never done before with your boyfriend, that one guy?

Starting point is 00:32:30 Yeah. Like, like, like, like, just this guy, like, loved to eat ass. And, like, I've never had anyone just, like, love to eat my ass before. And I'm like, oh, I get it. Like, you are, you actually like this. This isn't a chore or a to do for you. You are eating it like you're mad at it. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:32:49 Right? And, like, you, like, I don't know. Just like, fun, spontaneous things. Like, I know, this is, like, so weird and cry, I was like, hey, I'm still, like, giving my bearings with sex. I was like, no, we got to leave that patio door. And no, I want them to hear you. I want them to hear you know, like,

Starting point is 00:33:02 yeah. Like that where I'm like, oh, fuck, you'd like make me feel worthy to be sexy. And like, it felt so good. Yeah. So, so, so, so good. It must have been freeing for you considering, right? Because it was kind of like one note for you before, right? Always with the same guy, a little vanilla maybe.

Starting point is 00:33:18 And now all of a sudden you're like, really, this guy's like sounds freaky and fun. Oh. Yeah. No, he was like super freaky. He was, I'm more of a, on the bottom side of things. Like, just to clarify that. And he was like strictly atop, like, blah, blah, blah. So I'm like, okay, that's fine.

Starting point is 00:33:34 You know, that's, that's all good, whatever. Is that perfect? It was perfect. Like, it was great. I like, it was so much fun. But then I also. In the gay world, by the way, is there more tops or bottoms? Or is it typically kind of equal?

Starting point is 00:33:47 So there's always easy to find somebody that's a perfect match? It's definitely not even. You'll hear a lot of gay people. talk about, oh, there's like a top shortage because most people, like, also think about by guys, like, yeah, that are married to women. I get it. They are topping constantly because they don't have a choice. They probably want to know what it's like to have something in their fucking ass.

Starting point is 00:34:08 You know what I'm saying? Like, doesn't it make sense? Like, I would be the same way. And I have topped guys like that because I'm like, I get it. Like, that's fun. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah. So I think there is a shortage.

Starting point is 00:34:20 There's actually, you can do some research online, which is wild that, like, you can see, like which major cities have like more tops and bodies. Oh my God, you're fucking kidding. No. I actually think I heard on like a podcast because I listen to some, you know, like gay, heavy podcasts.

Starting point is 00:34:36 Yeah, I love it. And it's like so fucking funny. Like one of like most like tops are like Washington, D.C. Because like, you know, they're like all closeted and like. Oh my God.

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Starting point is 00:41:00 But it's just like when I moved away like it's just like, okay, let's cut ties and also just like stop. Like we don't need to be having an emotional relationship. You know what I'm saying? Like we were fucking here. So super good. And then I have this is a very transactional kind of like what I was talking about at the top of the show where like straight men are transactional. I met this guy and I was talking to him on fucking Grindr for like ever and you know, quick question on Grindr, do these guys that are straight

Starting point is 00:41:28 or do they like say that they're straight on Grindr? Do they like say that they're straight on Grindr? Do they pose as gay men and then they like and you could just tell? I mean how like you know, what do they do? Yeah. So usually so with these like grinder scruff, even sniffies, when you fill out your profile, you have the opportunity to choose like your sexual orientation or something like that. That's what I would think. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:50 Like and nine times out of ten if there's no answer to that, you're probably straight. You know what I'm saying? Oh, okay. So that's what they do. They just don't put anything. They don't put anything and they might have like blank profiles

Starting point is 00:42:02 so there's no pictures. Headless torsos. That's super, you know, for like the athletic guy. It's like, hey, I'm straight. Look at my packs.

Starting point is 00:42:10 Like they're desperate. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's so fun. Okay, so that's maybe a tell is what you're saying. That might be the tell. Okay. So you meet this guy on Grindr.

Starting point is 00:42:21 So I made another guy. I made a headless torso on Grindr. I don't know. I was just like, like, he was like in and out of town, but like we would like talk and he seemed like really nice, right? So,

Starting point is 00:42:31 well, he super was, right? He like came over one time, okay? After weeks of talking, okay? Came over. He was like super nervous,

Starting point is 00:42:41 which was really cute because he was like six three and like this big. like muscle daddy like then he's just like scared to hook up with like a little bottom over here. I'm like, stop it. Like you're fine. And like it's really normal. Right. It's crazy. But so we like did the hippity deadity and it was like really hot.

Starting point is 00:42:58 But he was very vanilla. He's like I don't really want to. I only want to do do do do a doggy. I don't want to look at your face. You know what I'm saying? And like so. But like the sex was like super mediocre. I mean it was good.

Starting point is 00:43:08 But I also learned that's where I like big tall guys. Oh, that's like your thing. Are you a tall guy or a short guy yourself? Oh, no. You're a little guy, right? You said that before. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I'm not super tall.

Starting point is 00:43:21 So, like, I really like the size difference feel. You know what I'm saying? It's like, oh, you make me feel smell. Like, oh, that's stupid crap. And so that's when I was like, oh, I didn't get much from you except for something, but it's all part of my experience. You know what I'm saying? Right.

Starting point is 00:43:36 All part of my experience. And that was just a one-time thing, right? It was a one-time thing because this is the most transactional part of it all. He leaves, and he does. just blocks neon grinder. Oh my God. As if it never happened. Maybe that's how he,

Starting point is 00:43:49 like, is able to sit with themselves or something. It's interesting how people mind fuck themselves. You know what I mean? That happens all, I know, but it happens all the time. Interesting.

Starting point is 00:43:57 On these apps, it's like the PostNet Clarity scared, get dressed, block. Oh my God. Yeah. You know, which I honestly feel bad

Starting point is 00:44:05 for people that feel like that because like, oh my God. I'm usually just like, oh, that was fun. Right. And you're, and this is like 10 to 10 times.

Starting point is 00:44:13 That's only happening. with the straight guys, right? It's not happening with gay men. Don't do, don't pull that shit on apps, correct? No, the game and I have hookups with like I'm friends with. Right, right, right.

Starting point is 00:44:24 You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. Yeah, that's so interesting. I would never think that I got to start to, when I have these guys on my shows now, I'm going to start educating them, okay? I'm going to help you. Yeah, no.

Starting point is 00:44:36 You're going to help the gay men out there that are hooking up with them. Yeah, well, I also don't want to like drag the straight man because like some of them are like super nice, right? You know, well, listen, but sometimes they just don't know. And I think it's sometimes it's a matter of just pointing something out. Maybe they just don't even realize, like, how that other person feels. I remember the first time I had a woman on talking about unicorns, like for, you know, she was a unicorn, Lola Jean.

Starting point is 00:44:56 She's like a famous unicorn with couples. And she talked about like the unicorn's feelings and how the couples treat them. And she brought up certain things that couples do that I would never even think of, you know? And sometimes when I bring it up to couples, they would never think of it too. And so sometimes I think people are doing things to other people without even really considering things, you know, know, so I'm just going to plant it in people's heads. And after she told me about the unicorn thing, I always bring that up to couples and explain it because I was like, oh, and I think sometimes people don't even realize that they're

Starting point is 00:45:24 hurting other people's feelings by doing certain things, you know? And so that's just why I'm saying it. Yeah. No, I, hey, you preach the word. Yeah, there you got. Like, it makes sense. I mean, you eventually do have a couple couples too. I mean, somehow in there.

Starting point is 00:45:39 Is this something? Yeah, that's, that's my next. Yeah, keep going. So, so then I can. So then I get on field. Because remember, I'm like, I just go-go-stick my way around everything. And I'm like, you know what? Like, I want to do a male-female.

Starting point is 00:45:53 I want to do something. And I, you know, what- So wait. So wait. So you're like hookup with a woman. Like, you know, it doesn't happen until like recently. Like it wasn't like something in high school before you like hook up. Like two years ago.

Starting point is 00:46:06 Oh my God. I love it. Your story is so interesting. Okay, go on. I'm on math, dude. No, you're not. It's interesting. So I get on field

Starting point is 00:46:15 I kind of find and like I know Also let me preface with When I'm talking about I want to be with a male female couple I currently still do and I've learned new things from your show that I'm like Yes I want this but I know that I'm a very specific catch for a male female couple Right so because we can get into that anyways I was on field found this couple right They were super nice super fun right

Starting point is 00:46:40 They were both looking to get boyfriends right so he was by she was straight both looking for boyfriends but they always want to meet each other whenever you know whatever so we have a date all three of us and uh we go out they come towards me and we go to this bar right we're not getting like too crazy drunk or anything because like that's weird you don't want to like just meet people and get like weird drunk and that's a red flag actually if people are getting too drunk during these kinds of things you know right it's kind of dangerous yeah for sure i don't know you because like Like, I'm not, they're like, oh, well, let's go to your place, right?

Starting point is 00:47:14 Oh, God. Two against one? Like, oh, like, oh. Totally. Yeah, it's scary. So, nothing bad happened. We all kind of, like, hooked up orally. I thought it was, like, a really great, like, segue for me.

Starting point is 00:47:28 Turns out, eating pussy is not that bad. Oh, my, I was dying to know if you went down on her, too. You did? I did. I did. I went down on her and no. Okay. But if I would have stopped you, like, one second before you went there.

Starting point is 00:47:42 would you would have been like, oh my God, this is going to be horrible? Or were you like, I'm curious or were you like, I don't know. Like, how are you feeling about it? Like right? Like, now I know it wasn't so bad, but like, how were you feeling about it right before? Were you just like doing it because you had to in this moment? No, I generally was curious. Okay.

Starting point is 00:48:01 Interesting. Like, again, I identify as a gay man, okay? But I also kind of have this idea that pleasure's pleasure. and like women are pretty like you know what I they don't give me butterflies I don't want to date a woman and I don't want to hook up with a woman alone no and you might not even be into women you might be exactly like the guys who call into my show that sometimes like to suck a dick and what Joe courts said Dr. Joe courts said it's just like you know in the moment in the heat of passion maybe it's just like a hot thing to do because it's like something different you know what I mean did you listen to the Maverick man do you know who they are as a gay man you don't know the fucking Maverick man oh my god no I'm not that gay oh okay well okay well they're like two gay men who lived in New York and I knew them through my old co-host time because he owned like a very famous bar here and they've been on my show more than once but what happened with them they were like a very lovely couple who've been together since the dawn and time they just got engaged and they're probably married by now but they were always like fucking other guys and filming it and stuff and then they started posting it online and they became like big they became very like big down there and then some adult person came in and made their fucking website huge and they're like pretty famous out there now and they've even fucked celebrities but the celebrities like hide their faces and stuff and what they do do is they bring in guys into their relationship, but they have three sons. They're so fucking raunchy and hot, but they're so in love and they're so cool. And they're very famous out there. If you just Google Maverick men on Twitter, you'll see them right now, just like suck a dick.

Starting point is 00:49:22 Like it's crazy how raunchy they are. But they've been on my show and they're lovely, you know. And honestly, they recently, the last time they were on my show, they were on twice, right? Once when I first started in recently, like maybe two years ago, they started hooking up with couples and with women too. And they were like really open and they had never done it before either. And we talked all about that on their episode too. So I just think, you know, it's like what in Rome? Like, why not? It didn't mean anything.

Starting point is 00:49:46 Same thing like what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I feel like it was, yeah. I, again, I don't get the butterflies from women like I do with men, right? Yeah, of course. Of course. You know, if you're in the mood, you might.

Starting point is 00:50:01 I mean, I just, I know a lot of gay men are like absolutely not. You know what I'm saying? That's what I would think. Yeah, they're not into this, blah, blah, blah. But I just think, you know, hey, if it's there to be rude not to do something, which then it kind of, I felt back because then it kind of got a little bit more of me and him,

Starting point is 00:50:17 you know what I'm saying? And like she was kind of like voyeuring a little bit. I mean, it was really cool. It was a good experience for me. I'm going to babysay not as great for them because I don't know exactly what they were expecting. We never really talked about it. We also fizzled.

Starting point is 00:50:32 I think he was looking for more like, like, I think they were both looking for more like top people. You know what I'm saying? Like, because again, by guys, just like I told you, like they're already topping. Like, they want to do something different. Yeah, yeah. So, but super nice people, like, it was a great connection.

Starting point is 00:50:48 It sounded really fun and it opened my eyes to be like, hey, do not be scared of this. But what I've learned over the years when it comes to like the years, like it's been that many years, like the male-female connection, it needs to be very special. Like me and her have to have a good connection, I think, because I mean, you can suck anyone's dick. you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But I feel like I need to have like more of like a friendship or something with her. To get a little turned on, you mean? Well, not, yeah, a little turned on, but also like trusting that like everything's great and

Starting point is 00:51:22 we're going to actually have fun together. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Like I just feel like it needs, there needs to be like more of like the rando hookups. I don't think I can do that with with women. Right. Because it needs to be something more than just physical because you're not just like physically attracted to women.

Starting point is 00:51:37 Maybe that makes sense. No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm down to play. Yeah, that makes sense. Another thing with women, I like trying to like put myself in their shoes too. Usually when they're opening up, they probably want like some big old macho man besides her husband who's not doing something for them, not a gay man, but you never know. It's 2026. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I'm keeping my options open. Yeah. And listen, how many couples you hear on my show were, I mean, I just talked to a woman

Starting point is 00:52:03 and she's a follow up, Carrie, this woman, Carrie, I'm going to air her up with those children. And she's talking about like, it's like she's been there, done that everything. She's like really promiscuous and having so much fucking fun. And she said, oh, my favorite thing that I can't wait to see is two guys together. Like, I really want to see that, you know. So there's so many women now that would love to sit back and watch their husband with another guy too, right? Have you had that experience? No, I haven't.

Starting point is 00:52:27 You haven't been hit up in that way. Like I had, I remember Samantha and someone, you know, her husband started hooking up with guys. And his favorite play partner was a gay man that would come over. and they would hook up and that was like their thing. So you haven't been called in for that kind of a scenario. No, I've also gotten off field after that because then I moved to the West Coast and like, I'm like, you know what? I'm going to go for gay men because there's way more gay men over here.

Starting point is 00:52:50 You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I'm going to. I love that you're trying everything. You're having fun. I am. So I'm like off field that I've been recently thinking about going back on the field and then you have a platform that I was thinking about trying that.

Starting point is 00:53:00 I forget, you talk about it all time. But I don't know. SDC? Yes, yes. because you have a free week trial or something. Yeah, 3-7-7-1-2. Use my code. Just go on there and see what you could get.

Starting point is 00:53:12 I mean, this is the one thing. Like there's so many, what's so great about you if you went on there, I feel like, because you're open and you're, you know, you're a gay man that's open. So many people on these sites, especially in the Swinger community, which is always, like, fascinates me and it horrifies me at the same time. And I'm just like never, I stop talking about it is the fact that there's still this big stigma on guy and guy action. And, and, and, but yet it's not like.

Starting point is 00:53:36 nobody's into it. You know what I mean? Like it's there and it's rampant. So I feel like, you know, so many guys on there or couples that are really looking for that, that maybe aren't advertising that would reach out to you because you're open. And you know what I mean? And so they know where so many people on those sites are hiding out. You know what I'm saying? It's not like those guys aren't into it. I know. And you know, it's so funny you bring that up because I just listened to an episode today of yours where you you were talking well I mean so many of them I keep hearing that same thing and it's like that's so crazy like I forget what episode it was I was like there were like an army couple or something like yeah like things in like Atlanta and like Texas or I forget it

Starting point is 00:54:18 there's a really cool story and I love it because I was like oh my gosh he like came out as like no I was not expecting this yeah but it is crazy the judgment and like in this in the like in the scene I mean like how I still don't understand that I like people are so scared of the whole gay thing, but like you'll do it behind closed doors. Like, calm down. It's not a bad thing. I actually live a really good life. And I like, like, things are going good for me. Okay. I just really, yeah, I don't, I don't understand it because I felt like, like, I used to make jokes and be like, like, I feel like whoever was the PR person for trans people

Starting point is 00:54:48 should, like, be hired for the gay men because why is there still such a stigma for, like, you know, for guy and guy action? It's like the last thing to go away. Like, in my lifetime, by the way, like, there was a stigma for even girls to hook up with girls. There was like a time where that completely shifted. And the minute it did, every girl was like, oh, I got a girl crush. I want to hug up with a girl. Girls are making out with girls. It just became like the cool thing to do.

Starting point is 00:55:12 But there was a stigma on that too. But that just has never happened for guys. And it's weird. I mean, I think personally now, I mean, I watch shows with my son. And every show I watch has gay people, buy people. I mean, it's like straight people, straight kids in these shows that I watch are actually the minority, right? So I just think it's changing with the generations and stuff, which is fantastic.

Starting point is 00:55:32 right but I just can't I still blows my mind especially in the lifestyle and in a world where everyone's so open and doing whatever they want and whatever that they would be still have a stigma on guy and guy action when you know it just doesn't make sense to me I'm it blows my minds yeah I'm sure it'll change like over the next years because like like your your son's probably like youngish right like yeah like their generation like it's almost like cool or trendy to be gay No, yeah. I think it's going to be weird if you're a had a row. Right? Yeah. Breeder. Yeah. You only like girls? What's fucking wrong with you? Yeah. Yeah. It's so gross. Yeah, I think it's

Starting point is 00:56:14 going to change with the future generations for sure. Yeah, it's already change. Right. So, but it's just like still though it's sad in our generation and your generation, you know, and the one like right before it, it's like it's sad that that stigma still exists. And you know what the Maverick men said to me because I'm like, I don't really get it. He said, you really think about it Kathy like the whole stigma against gay men it's really misogyny right because like what are they really saying if they say like you're you're a gay man you're like not a man so then what are you if you're not a man if you're not a real man you're like a woman right right so it's like he was saying that's like really where it comes from like oh that kind of makes sense because as a woman I know like

Starting point is 00:56:48 I'm a cockroach to most anyone else you know what I mean like women are always beneath men right and so it's like the real man a real man who wants to like fuck a lot of girls is like the real man and then anything else is less than, which is like so weird and ridiculous, you know? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I don't get it. Whatever. Yeah, who cares?

Starting point is 00:57:08 You're living your best life, which I love. And this is Pride Month, so I don't really care about that. I love, though, that you are, like, sort of. And what's super interesting about you is how open-minded you are to, like, try different things and stuff. Was that the only time you were with a woman, that one woman, right? The one woman you try?

Starting point is 00:57:25 Yes. Of course, I've done the whole makeup with chicks at bars, you know, blah, blah, blah. but I'm not really, I'm getting too old for that shit. So, yeah, I haven't. But it's on my, it's definitely on my list of things to do. Like, I kind of am looking for, like, that specific thing I was kind of talking about before. Also, like, I heard I was hearing something, I don't want to get into too much of it.

Starting point is 00:57:44 But I heard of like the cleanup crew and like the fluffer. Like, I was like that guy that was like a cuck or something. Yeah. Like, it was like super dominated by the bowl. And I was like, whoa, that could be interesting. You know what I'm saying? Play that role with the male female, but also, I don't know. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:58 I'm really going to figure it out. I'm going to look at some different platforms. And I think I'm going to start opening my horizons more again, because I really do want to make a connection like that again. It sounds like your horizons are pretty fucking open. Is it because you just move that you're trying to like get back in or you got off field? Like what like? No, like I don't think it's because I move.

Starting point is 00:58:17 I mean, I mean like move again, going to the West Coast, there's so many more gaze out here. Yeah. That's just like, oh, readily available. Right. So it's like, well, I'm going to make up for some last time there, which I have in like a super fun way with sprinkles of straight men, of course, you know. But yeah. And those straight guys. So you've obviously had more than that first guy that like the first two guys, right, the one that block you and everything. Like is it, is it like very easy for you to sort of go on Grindr or whatever app that you're

Starting point is 00:58:45 on that's easy to find like a straight guy that's going to come and suck your dick? And are they typically like married guys, single? Like, do you even know? Yeah. So yeah, the one that I mentioned to you early about, like, who actually told me about this, was, is married, you know, and it's kind of going through like, oh, my gosh, I've heard so many episodes, like, the same scenario where it's like, my wife wants to, but she's timid, and I don't know how to bring it up. And I'm like,

Starting point is 00:59:09 just communicate, dude. Like, I remember, like, he was actually cool. We kind of hung out for a little bit. I was like, you're not communicating. You just need to communicate with her and make her feel good. And do, like, what is your problem? He's like, yeah, you're right. I'm like, of course I'm right now. Go home. You figure to talk out. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:59:23 Yeah. Which, you know, he just wants to have fun and enjoy because he goes the potential right but yeah and he just came over and suck my dick he was the guy that told you about my show you mean yeah yeah yeah that guy and he was married and on the deal yeah i mean i can't tell you how much like you know how much that goes down and i mean no it's crazy it's crazy and again something you always say too like hey straight guys like literally if you need your dick sucks like literally it's out there and like oh my guys come on Like, yeah, you want to blow job with no strings attached, like super easy.

Starting point is 01:00:00 You know what I mean? Don't have to take anyone out to dinner, text, whatever. Like that, like there's going to be guys lining up, you know? It is so true. And because, and that's a thing with I find, and do you find this with a lot of these quote unquote straight guys that like are looking? Like, because a lot of them, they just want to suck a dick. They don't even want like, they don't want to reciprocated.

Starting point is 01:00:19 You get that too? It is exactly like, like how I've been described. like a couple of guys. They're like, no, I can tell like, hey, you're kind of a good looking guy. You know, we don't, but all I'm interested in is this area, right? Exactly. You can imagine what I think. Like, this is all I want.

Starting point is 01:00:35 Yes. Like, do not, you do not need to feel like you need to do anything to me. In fact, let me save that for my wife. I'm like, whoa, that is. Yeah, see, they don't say that to me. What they say to me is like they just like have this, like, it's just like this oral thing. Like, they just want a dick in their mouth. They do.

Starting point is 01:00:53 They want to suck a dick. I don't necessarily. I think that they don't want to see your face. I think they just want to suck a dick. And then when they're done, you know what I mean? And then they want to go home and jerk off because they're not getting, you know, they're not doing it then. And then they go home and jerk off about it.

Starting point is 01:01:06 Yeah. It's incredible. Like, and again, like I'm almost like too important. I'm like, the law, now always. I'm a very open person. As you can tell, like, I'm like, no judgment. Like, I'm happy I can be a service. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:18 Like, you know, because like I'm typically more like, not on the submissive side of things. Like I'm kind of a little bit. switchy on that situation. But like it's, it's great for like, you know, someone that's more on the bottom side of things, maybe more sophisticated sometimes. Like usually it's the other way around like in the gay community.

Starting point is 01:01:34 But like now it's like, oh, let me get these masks straight guys coming over here. Just like stuck in my dick and walking away. I'm like, this is like so funny. Like me, I just can't believe this is happening. I can't believe this is happening. Yeah. Like. And I'm sure it's like.

Starting point is 01:01:48 Brush her teeth before you kiss your wife. Like. And and do they present like, do they let you know or do you just know? or do you just know that they're married or they're showing up with their wedding rings? Like, how could you tell? Yeah, so one time a guy, we just swapped oral actually.

Starting point is 01:02:05 He was putting on his wedding ring on the way out and I was like, oh my God. My God is right. Sometimes they don't tell. I don't ask. Yeah. Which sometimes that's another like straight or gay guy experience.

Starting point is 01:02:19 It's like, do I feel bad? I don't like I'm the other person but you know sometimes I'm like you know what like I'm not in that relationship they're responsible I don't know if they're open or not you know what I'm saying like but I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings of course or like be the other person because like I do have some morals besides this entire story I've told you about you know what I'm saying? Of course. Like there are some things like I have a soul but like some of them are like very very straightforward like on sniffies and stuff they're like hey married guy.

Starting point is 01:02:52 on the down low and a lot of those profiles I'm noticing is I'm also looking for the same exact connection and so sometimes I'd be like well that's not me do you still want to talk sometimes they'll say no I'm literally looking for someone with my sick because it'll keep them safe right they don't know me they know I know of course I'd be a horrible person which they don't know I'm not like no it's like cheating people cheating cheater what's up Ashley Madison is married men and married women and they want to hook up with each other if they're cheating because they don't have to worry about some crazy persons knocking on their door.

Starting point is 01:03:27 Right. Yeah, that makes sense. So when they say I want the same thing, they want another guy, straight guy, quote, unquote, right? Not a gay man is what you're saying. Yeah, right. Like, some, they don't care, to be honest with you. It's not why now most of them don't.

Starting point is 01:03:41 That's the one's my show. Yeah. They literally don't care. And I'm like, man, like, and they're like, oh, can I have your apartment code? And I'm like, no. Oh, my God. Calm down.

Starting point is 01:03:52 Like, you know, I'm vulnerable here too, dude. Like, leave me, like, we're going to do a walk around the block because I don't need to make that mistake again. You know, like, no. Look, last question to you, like, let me ask you this. Like, so do you, like, because, you know, I always used to feel like maybe, like, is it a thing where, like, a gay man loves to, like, sort of, like, get a straight guy and hook up with him? Is there, is there a thing to that, like, for you? Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:04:18 It's super high. I mean, there's a reason why I do it. Yeah. Of course. I do think it's kind of hot. Like I think I set up, they're the forbidden fruit, so to speak. Yeah. If you get a gay man, or if you get a straight man, you're fun and, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:04:32 Yeah. And he's like, okay, I'll bend the rules just for you, Carlos. You know what I'm saying? It's like, oh, I'm fun. You know what I say? Like, I could do this and then, yeah, it's like a little challenge. Yeah, that's what I would think, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:04:47 Oh, yeah, for sure. It's totally hot, too. It's totally hot. I mean, gay men are hot too. I love gay men. Of course. And also you said they're very masculine, right? And you like dudes, right?

Starting point is 01:04:57 Yeah. Yeah. Right. I do. Even like the gay men that I connect with. Like I have a connection with right now. Like, like very masculine. Nothing against feminine.

Starting point is 01:05:07 I mean, like I love myself. I love my feminine friends. Like, but like in the bedroom, I'm just like I went like boom. You know what I'm saying? I want a man. Like you get it. You talk about it all the time too. Like you like your men to be manly men.

Starting point is 01:05:18 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:20 It makes me feel more like, I don't know. I just, that's what I like to find hot, you know? That's like, listen, I am so glad that you called it. I love to know that I have gay men who listen to my show. You know what I mean? Yes, I do. I feel like I'm the only one. No, James is a comment on.

Starting point is 01:05:37 James was gay. Oh, that's right. Yeah. There's a guy named Will who was a cock in a gay cuck relationship. I love that story. You should listen to his. You would love that story. That was Will.

Starting point is 01:05:48 I've had a couple. I had a guy Chach. just aired his episode recently who was a gayman wait my I do have another question the guys that show up because I'm always like you know people I feel like sometimes have in their head like oh what a guy looks like that would want to suck a dick or whatever like the guys that are like straight guys that are showing up to you like are they just like from all walks of lives look all different ways like you know like you know what's the demographics there's nothing that's that's like stands out right it's just like all different kinds of guys like someone you would never know right yeah no it's it literally

Starting point is 01:06:23 it's i mean yeah you never know what you're going to get usually i you know will require a face picture of course before but like you know and i like a certain type of look or whatever but no i mean you typically the ones that i've met up with yeah you would never never know right you you would never know sometimes i mean i don't know like some of the And I'm like, oh, my God, you didn't, you just came from work. Stupid straight. Oh, yeah. Come on.

Starting point is 01:06:53 You know what I'm saying? Like, get out of here. I'm not into that. Well, let me tell you, because my co-ho, my old co-host, Tommy, he was my co-host for like six months. And he owned a very famous gay bar in the city. And I would go over there all the time and hang out. And like literally, like, you know, at 6 p.m. or 7 p.m. on a Friday or any other night of the week, you saw all the guys in the business suits, like all the married men who were like.

Starting point is 01:07:18 stopping over at the bar before they went home to their families in New Jersey. You know what I mean? Like that's what the bar was full with. Like, you know, guys in their suits that were on the way having the drink, the straight guys that were there to do what they were doing because they were still in the closet. And then they would go home. And, you know, everyone knew who they were. And it was like a very packed crowd.

Starting point is 01:07:37 But you definitely could pick those guys out. And they were dressed up with their work clothes. All the executives with their hard jobs. But you feel, I feel sorry. Listen, I feel sorry for some people who are, like, you know, listen, sometimes there's these guys that just want us like, suck a dick. And then sometimes you do have guys who are older who are like completely living a double life. And, you know, they're married and stuff.

Starting point is 01:07:56 But, you know, deep down inside, they are gay men, but they just could never sort of come to terms of it or they just got married. And you got to feel for people like that, you know, for sure. I do. It's, that's, that's, I'm happy I lived in the time that I've lived, to be honest with you. Yeah. Yeah. Because in my generation, I'm older than you. Like, there's a lot.

Starting point is 01:08:17 I think that, you know, it was like barely anyone came out. And I feel like there's a lot of married men that are totally gay. And unfortunately, married women because this is what they had to do to keep it under wraps, you know? And it's sad. You got to feel for people like that, you know. And that's why it's so great that the younger generation is changing and stuff. So because it's like, I think one of the worst things to do is not be able to be yourself, you know? And you didn't have to face that.

Starting point is 01:08:41 Thank God. No. That's why I said I'm so fortunate. Like, good Lord. I don't know. I don't know how to not be. myself and I'm happy I have the tools and resources. Yeah, and it's great that you got out of that long-term relationship and it was a great relationship and you had that and you've been there,

Starting point is 01:08:54 done that. And now it's like great that you're just like living out all your naughty fantasy. So by the time you meet somebody, you can be like monogamous for a little while and then maybe monogamish afterwards, you know? It's like, it's like, it's interesting your life story. It's like you came out of that, but now you're like experiencing all these things. Like I think it's just like super great. I'm not stopping. Yeah. continue on. But you said you might be like looking to date a little bit more intentionally, right? And you might be ready for another relationship pretty soon, right?

Starting point is 01:09:25 Yeah, for sure, for sure. I mean, I'm going to keep it open, but, you know, I'm not going to. You're still having fun. Checking off your book at West. I'm still having fun. I'm still like, you know, I'm still exploring things that I've never explored. And, you know, I'm excited. Well, listen, you're going to be excited when you go into my Discord.

Starting point is 01:09:40 You'll get a link to my Discord when we hang up because there is my end. I actually already got it. Oh, did you see? I bought your book. Oh, I go to the vast. Wait, did you see the Dick, the annual Dick Pit contest? You see all those dicks in there? Have you seen yet?

Starting point is 01:09:52 I did. I was like, good God. It's like, it is, your discord is off the chain. Like, I, like, got on there and, like, immediately started blushing. And, like, did not. Can you believe what's going on there? I know. Like, I just, I, but you know, like it for them.

Starting point is 01:10:09 They're so free. Yeah. They're so free. And maybe I'll be one day. It's where they could all do their stuff. I just could not believe. Like, the, like, the. We did a dig-pick contest last year.

Starting point is 01:10:17 It was like literally 250 dicks. And honestly, they're all like really big if you ask me. I'm like, I don't know. What's it going on with my listeners? Really? I was like thinking the same thing. I was like either these are great camera angles or like, you know, we got some honkers on here. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:10:33 Yeah. For like great form, great shape. Like good. I know. Go guys. I know. It's like crazy. So all right.

Starting point is 01:10:40 All right. So you're already in there when you get, you know, so you're already in there. I don't have to give that to you. But when you're up. episodes coming out probably you know like I I post my episodes early on Patreon so this episode will be up tomorrow because it's going up Sunday I want to air it ASAP so I will send you an email with a free access to Patreon for a month so you could like read the comments and stuff when when I air it and and then if you want to post anything on on you know discord you can but you don't have to

Starting point is 01:11:07 because you said you like blush when you go in there you're not into that no problem whatsoever but do whatever you want but thank you so much for calling it I'm so glad you You called it. You emailed me and I have you on the show. No, thank you. Have a great night. Yes, I know. Happy pride.

Starting point is 01:11:22 Yes, totally. Happy pride to you. Thanks, Carlos. Thanks so much for calling in. Okay, all right. Bye, bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in

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Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1481 - Carlos is a Gay Man who Hooks up with Straight Guys & Couples

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