Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1502 - How Women Can Get Back Their Sex Drive WITHOUT Hormones w/ Susan Morgan Taylor

Episode Date: June 27, 2026

Susan Morgan Taylor called in to talk all about how women can get back their sex drive without hormones. Tune in to hear all the details including why women encounter dryness and what they can do to increase blood flow, a woman’s pleasure core and what it includes, how women can get int touch with their pleasure core and relax into it, why some women become disconnected from their their body and what’s the first step to getting reconnected, how working on muscles and then energy comes next, how and why even women on hrt can use her method to get back in touch with their sex drive, how and why you dont need a partner to stay in touch with your sex drive, when men change and go through “manopause,” her journey getting in touch with her pleasure core and what kind of changes she had including becoming a squirter, how long it took her to see the changes plus a whole lot more. You can find Susan's course here: https://www.pathwaytopleasure.com GET A COPY OF THE STRICTLY ANONYMOUS BOOK! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY HERE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  or Pre-order audiobook version ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   To see HOT pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show." Want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. All voices are changed.   Sponsors:  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠VB.HEALTH ⁠⁠⁠- To get 10% off DRIVE BOOST by VB Health, use code: STRICTLY  ⁠⁠Shamelesscare.com⁠⁠ - Use code STRICTLY for $15 of all products ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beduc.at/pd2622-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Click here to take the quiz and  get your personalized roadmap to sexual happiness  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Buy 2 months of Bluechew GOLD and get the third month FREE! Use code: STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://Rythm.Health/STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠for 15% OFF your first month PLUS FREE shipping Follow me! Instagram  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Okay, today I have on Susan Morgan Taylor. She was on in the past. She talked about how to get your spark back in your sexless marriage. And today she was talking about how women could get their spark back in their own vagina. Like seriously, she's here to say that. Like even if you go through menopause, if you don't want to take HRT, like she, you know, knows how to get your sex drive back. She talks about the principles that she created to get a woman there.

Like I said, without HRT. Or even if you're on HRT and you know, your sex drive and desire isn't necessarily back to where it was. She has this course pathway to pleasure, I think it's called. She has a course where she teaches women how to get back in touch with their body. I mean, it's a whole course. She talks all about it. She gets very specific about, you know, what women have to do, why they lose their, why, you know, why, you know, she talks exactly what women have to do. She went through the course herself. She did it all. She talks about her experience with it. about, you know, why, you know, the three different things that women have to do to get there.

She breaks, she breaks down her whole course a lot in this episode. So you hear all about it. Like I said, I think it's a great solution for women who don't want to go on HRT or who are on it and still don't feel like they have all their, you know, sexual desire back to where they wanted to be. I know guys, a lot of guys listen to this show. If you have a woman who maybe lost her drive as post-menopausal and just isn't so the way, you know, and, you know, but it's post-menopausal, but doesn't want to go on HRT. This is like a great course for her to take. This is great.

You're going to learn a lot of information from her today. She gives a lot of that up. The link to her courses will be in, the link to her course will be in the description. But anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Susan Morgan Taylor. This is the strictly anonymous podcast. Strictly anonymous podcast. Hi, Susan Morgan Taylor. Welcome back to the Strictly anonymous podcast. How are you today? Hi. I'm so excited to be back and super excited to talk about our topic today.

Yeah, I love this topic. You did call in before and we talked about how to get the spark back in a sexless marriage. Okay, that episode was 1228. That was September 2025. People could go check this one out. This time we're going to be talking about women, specifically about how they could stay like wet and horny, you know, throughout their whole life. even without hormones. You're like all they need is a vagina. And you know what? That's something that every woman has, even a woman that's been through menopause. She still has one. So, you know, I was like, oh, this is kind of great.

Because, you know, I have a lot of people on with HRT talking about how that sort of rub them up and stuff. But of course, there's so many people that never want to take HRT and maybe they don't want to go down that route and are looking for the information on how to do it without that, right? And then there's younger people that maybe lost their libido for other reasons, you know? So absolutely. Yes.

And I think HRT is just sort of the thing that's sort of the default. Like we're just, as soon as we hit pari menopause and things start going wonky, it's like, oh, just get on HRT. But like you said, that can help a lot of people. That's wonderful. But there are a lot of people who can't take it or don't want to take HRT or whatever number of reasons. And then, even if you are on HRT, like, isn't it wonderful to be empowered with some other ways? Because HRT doesn't always solve all of the issues that women tend to face when we go through this midlife transition. So we'll talk about that today, I'm sure, but the hormones can only really do so much.

It's not the be all end all. And I think that's really one of the myths that I want to bust today on our conversation for your listeners. Yeah, why don't we start there? Like bust the myth and then we'll get detailed. Yeah, well, I think, you know, part of, I'm a specialist in women's sexuality. That's kind of like my main jam and it has been for a very long time. And I know when I started to go through perimenopause and then kind of now really deep in the transition, not fully post-menopausal yet, but getting close.

You know, I just started to have a lot of changes in my body, and I knew, like, being a sex therapist for as much as I've been doing this work for so long and studying women's sexuality, I knew that there were other ways to stay aroused and to stay lubricated that had nothing to do with going on hormones. For me, the hormones, I didn't sit well with them. I did try some bioidentical hormones, and it just did not agree with my body. So I really was at a need to kind of find a different way.

So the hormones are great to an extent. And again, they work for some people and they don't work for others. But really, when it comes down to lubrication, let's just start with that. Because dryness is a big problem that a lot of postmenopausal women have. And even if you're just sort of in the perimenopause transition phase, that can be an issue as well. But that is not entirely dependent on hormones. What the hormones are typically going to do for that, it's going to keep the quality of the tissues kind of supple and like the estrogen really helps with the thinning of the vaginal tissues, right?

And so it can kind of keep the elasticity there for us, which is wonderful. We also have factors like collagen, for example, that decline as we age. That's like another thing that hormones don't necessarily address that issue. But what can help that has nothing at all to do with hormones that we don't tend to think about, there's a function that creates lubrication, the scientific term is transudation. And transudation is when the cells of the vaginal wall become engorged with blood and it literally pushes out a fluid through the membrane of the cell. That's literally what lubrication is.

So hormones alone aren't necessarily going to do a whole lot with that. How you resolve that is actually through what nobody's telling us this, but it's actually through blood flow. Right. And what we can do, you know, when we get older, what happens is those blood vessels start to shrink. They shrink away from the edge of the skin as to the nerve endings. That's why we have sometimes that lack of sensitivity. We can talk about that in a minute. But so this blood vessels will start to shrink. And so what we can do to counteract that is actually learning how to manually

pump blood into the genital region through what I call the pleasure core activation ritual, which is actually a three-part practice that I've developed. The first aspect of that is actually learning how to work with the muscles in our pleasure core, which is everything. down there, right? Like everything around the vagina, in the vagina, all the muscles, how we actually learn to strengthen and tonify and also to expand and stretch those tissues, the connective tissues, the muscles. And in that regard, we have control, literally control over stain lubricated. There are studies that have been done on this recently within the last couple of years on postmenopausal women, where they found that just one round of they were doing,

some kind of pelvic floor strengthening practice. Just like one set, like immediately resulted in increased lubrication. They had some way to objectively measure the lubrication. But that's a scientific study and they found that in postmenopausal women. So we know that their hormones are, and I don't think they were on HRT, these women. Right. In the study, I'll have to like look at it more closer. Right.

So we haven't already built in to our physiology to be able to be in control of our lubrication. We don't have to depend on external things such as lubrication. like, you know, external lugs or going on the estrogen, those things are lovely to have available to us. And it's wonderful we have them, but we don't have to become dependent on that. And there's more that we can do to keep that function functioning properly at any age and at any stage, whether you're postmenopausal or even if you're in your 20s or 30s, though a lot of women don't seem to find the need for it because we're sort of relying on our goals of, you know,

we've got the hormones and things tend to be functioning without so much effort in our earlier years. Mm-hmm. So, and like to me it makes sense that it's like more blood flow related and there's things you could do for that that are physical, right? Or because it's like we have the same kind of erectile tissue that men do, right? And so it's the same thing if a man is not getting erect. It's more blood flow, right? Sometimes. And you know, testosterone is desire. Right. That's more desire, but it's not erection. Right. So. Yeah. And so it makes sense that the same thing that gets us erect is blood flow too. Now, I do know when it comes to pel. And like when you're talking about all the muscles down there and working on them and getting them all in tune and everything, is that the pelvic floor or is it more than the pelvic floor? So my term for is the pleasure core. Okay. Because we're really working in, at least in how I teach, you know, when I'm working with women inside of my pleasure revival experience, which is a program I created where I teach women this ritual.

There's more going on than just muscles. So the tendency, I think, with Western approaches of Western, sexology, we're really just looking at physiology. Like, what are your muscles doing? Is there blood flow? What are the hormones doing? We forget that there's actually different aspects to our sexuality that has nothing to do with physiology. So physiology and working with the musculature down there is really just one aspect of the

pleasure course. So that's the term that I like to use because I think it encompasses really what we're doing. We're not just like lifting weights at the gym. Right. Right. It's not as an exercise program. It's really about actually creating more movement, more dexterity, more flexibility, and also actually more pleasure in that part of our body. So in a sense, yes, we're working with the same musculature that you might work with if you were doing something that's pertaining to the pelvic floor.

However, there's a lot more going on down there than just the muscles. And so that's why I refer to it as the pleasure core. It sort of encompasses the whole, the vagina, the whole entire thing down there. The vagina, the cervix, all the muscles around it, the connective tissue. the blood vessels, the nerves, and also the piece that's overlooked that's not really addressed out there is really the energetic aspect. We also have energy that's running through our bodies. And when we access turn on and arousal, we're actually generating sexual energy, creative life force energy. And so there's an aspect of learning also how to how to come into a relationship

with that piece of our sexuality. And really that's not being taught. You're not really going to find that walking into your doctor's office, you know, complaining of low libido. They're not going to teach you that, right? They're going to put you on a pill probably. So you're saying like how to harness that energy or how to get it back if you've lost that connection kind of a thing? So for a lot of people, generally that's sort of a new idea. The energy piece, it's a much more subtle aspect of ourselves. So really what I'm doing initially, unless someone's already a little bit more advanced or more familiar, perhaps authentic practices or energy work. For most people, it's going to be kind of a new concept. And at first, they might be like, what am I supposed to

feel? This is weird. I don't feel anything. So at the outset, it's really just about learning how to come into a connection and an understanding that it's there, it's flowing, and it's really just about developing an awareness of it. And so I teach just some very simple practices in the pleasure core activation ritual that just help you learn. how to start to become aware of our subtle body, of the energy body. And then from there, you know, we can go much more advanced from there, but first we have to first admit that it's there and then come into the ability to gradually come into relationship and connection with it and the ability to kind of sense

and feel. But yes, it is absolutely tied to arousal as well as pleasure and as well, especially of full body orgasms or different types of orgasms if people ever want to learn how to access something other than just the clitoral or a vaginal orgasm, part of that pathway is actually learning how to relax into our subtle body, which is very different from our physical body that we're sort of hyper-focused on on the day-to-day basis. Do you think there's a psychological reason, maybe more even more so than like a hormonal reason why maybe women would lose that connection or not be able to access it or not have that as much when they're in menopause?

Well, gosh, like menopause versus any other stage of life. Or any time. Why would a woman like not? Why would a woman not like, yeah, not have access and need to work and get that back? You know, I could feel the energy. I know it's energy. Like if I get horny, I feel it tingling inside of me. It's a feeling. It's a tingle, right? It's like, that's what you're talking about. It is an energy. I remember meditating once and I only did it once in my whole life. And I got so freaked out that it was going to happen that I mind fucked myself out of it, but I was meditating and I took this power ball that was inside me and put it between my legs without even touching myself and I almost had an orgasm just by sending

the energy there. And mine fucked me so much like I said because I was like, this can't be happening. But it is energy and you can't harness all the things inside of you, right? Like feelings and all those kinds of stuff. You could feel them in your body. You're talking about like that tingly sensation, right? Well, yeah. I mean, so yes, like that's one aspect of it. People might feel energy in different ways. But if we're just talking about arousal, most of us recognize that by the way that you just described it. Right. And then, of course, orgasm, you know, traveling through those nerve pathways in the body. Yeah. And then, you know, there's other aspects too, like what's referred to as a valley orgasm, for example, which is really just like cool waves of energy that flow over the body

and the body. And so why a woman might not be, feel like she's been able to access states like that, sensations like that. It's not, say, so much stage of life as it is our conditioning. We tend, again, to be very conditioned to focus only on one type of orgasm, being the clitoral or even the vaginal orgasm. They're, you know, they're much easier to accomplish for most people. They're a little bit more external, more, you know, just tighten up the muscles and, you know, make the thing happen. But in order to access more subtle sensation, it requires us to learn the art of relaxation, being aware and present in the body, meaning we're not really defaulting into mental fantasy, which can actually sort of disconnect us from the sensations

in the body. Like it can be great to use if we need to get to climax. It can sometimes detract. I'm not saying all the time. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. But learning how to just be present in the body with physical sensation. And then the ability to hold our awareness there. So relaxation being present.

And where is our awareness? Like you said in that example, you took your awareness down into your genitals. And you know, you just like almost, because the energy is going to flow where your attention goes. So we're learning. If we want to learn how to access the energetic aspect, it's really a matter just shifting our awareness. And oftentimes how people go astray, they're looking for something. What am I supposed to be feeling? It doesn't work that way.

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And we learned eventually how to kind of track those sensations as like rivers of sensation that can open the gateway into, for example, a full body orgasmic state. But those are very different than a genital orgasm. So again, a lot of times people are looking for that genital type of experience, whereas the energetic types of orgasms are much different. It's a totally different sensation in the body. Right, right.

And is that where you start with this whole aspect of like, you know, sort of getting back in touch with yourself from there to getting all your arousal back without hormones or without anything else? No. It's not really where I start. Where I start with women is on first, we're first connecting with our pleasure core, which is everything down there. It's what I might call the yoni.

It's all the apparatus, the vagina, cervix, the vaginal canal, the labia, the muscles. So we're actually just learning first how to bring our attention and our awareness into that part of our body. And you'd be amazed at how difficult that could be for a lot of women. If you've never really done some really intentional sexuality work, just taking your attention into that part of the body can feel really can be very threatening or can be emotional. So first, we're just learning to have a relationship. And then we're really learning how to work the physiology. We're working with the muscles.

We're working with both the strengthening and the tonification of the pleasure core as well as the relaxation and the expansion. So through relaxation, essentially, learning how to also deeply relax those muscles breathing into them. So we're not just tightening. want to just tighten, tighten. And then the energetic piece sort of comes last, because once we've done that first part,

what you're going to start to notice is you're going to start to have more arousal just naturally. You're probably going to be more lubricated naturally. You're going to feel just kind of the turn-on much more naturally. And so then we know we're sort of waking up that part of our body. We're developing a relationship to it. And from there, we very slowly just start to bring in the introduction to, the energy piece by learning how to just gently move it up from the genitals through the heart

about the crown of the head, learning how to sense into what's called in Taoist sexuality, the microcosmic orbit, which is just a channel of energy that travels around the body. And it's different directions. There's a lot of things we can play with in terms of that. But I keep it very, very simple at first in part because especially that energy piece is a really new concept for a lot of women. Right.

And they can't put their head around it. Like they can't wrap their head around. It's hard. it is. It's like, is this even working? It's anything. And so we just have to trust that it's there and just relax and soften. And, you know, you just trust it. And eventually you'll be able to start to tap in a little bit more just by developing that relationship with it. Right. Whatever you're at, right? We're not trying to make anything happen. That's a big difference as well. So that takes the pressure off, don't you think? It should. Although, you know, our minds always want something to do, right? Like something's happening. Yeah, it's hard. You know what I mean? Like, how long does the, whole process sort of taken. Well, let's start with more so. What I want to know is like, what kind of women are you seeing? Are you seeing mostly postmenopause of women? Are you seeing women at all ages? Well, so the pleasure revival experience is a program I created specifically for women at or beyond the midlife transition. So women basically 40 and over, you're either,

you know, menopause, we just need to call it a whole journey, right? I mean, it's a whole journey that we sort of enter into in our usually around age 40 or so and it continues on until our period stop and then it continues on from there because now we're postman puzzle so it's any woman who's sort of in that phase of life but I will work with a woman in any stage of life I just got passionate about sort of the midlife woman because of my own experience and what happened to me when things shifted for me I was like oh shit like this isn't the same like I'm not getting wet and I'm not I'm having a hard time reaching organ like what is going on like this can't be happening. So I got really passionate because there's just not enough stuff out there, I think,

and have resources for women who are going through the sexual changes that happen at midlife. So the program is really designed for women at that stage of life. But any woman at any stage of life would benefit from. And it's not, let's say, the practices that I teach aren't necessarily relegated only to women who are menopausal and such. Right. And can it also be a woman that maybe is on HRT, but not like some women are on testosterone. So it's not really, it's helping with a lot of other things, but not really helping with desire and, you know, their intimate life, right? So I'm sure you see women also who are on hormones, but just still need extra help. Absolutely.

And I mean, I think it's really for any woman who wants to really just reclaim her pleasure and be in more control of it. Because the cool thing is, is we're just learning how to own our pleasure. A lot of the exercises that I teach in the pleasure crackivation ritual, they're exceptionally pleasurable and what they can do is if you are having partnered sex, you can be in control of your own orgasm. Like literally you can start to use some of the practices while you're having sex with your partner in order to bring yourself to orgasm. So we're learning in a way how to have an active aspect to our, you know, there's an aspect of relaxation I think just really, really important,

but it's also equally empowering to have the equal and opposite of that, which is the ability to move our vagina in ways that give us more pleasure, where we can literally take ourselves into orgasm if we choose during sex. And how much does like past trauma have to do with any of this? Sometimes I've heard somebody talk about how menopause, sometimes things come full circle and you do, you know what I mean? Like maybe past trauma is like revealed or comes into your body and shows up, right? Well, it's, yeah, it doesn't, I think it's because what happens at menopause, if we look

at it from a psychospiritual perspective. Yeah. Yeah. Let's get beyond. It's just about hormones and yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Psycho spiritually what happens for us women at menopause, it is an exceptionally incredible transition. First of all into a whole new chapter of wisdom. I know my intuition has just been out of the freaking chart. Right. Since I've gone through like, I have dreams that are like so psychic. It's just like my kids are like, shit, that kind of freaks me out. Oh my gosh. Yeah, but you know, so what happens, it's an opportunity. If you think about our menstrual cycle, right? While we're still cycling, if you know anything about the menstrual cycle,

we have that pre-menstrual phase right before we bleed is the time in our cycle where all of the debris in our lives that we're not really dealing with, things that we really need to clear out or address, that material starts to come up into our awareness. And that's why a lot of women get irritable, they get moody, stuff that didn't bother them on the first part of their cycle, suddenly starts to bother them. That is our body telling us like, hey, you need to pay attention to this. You need to deal with this shit.

Take the garbage out, right? Right. It turns into when we don't listen to those little nudges for long periods of time, that turns into things like PMS or, you know, other issues in the pelvic region, other imbalances. And what's happening at menopause, that is like our one big last hurrah. It's a one big like pre-menstrual phase, so to speak, that we have a chance. to sort of review our entire lives, take the garbage out, deal with the shit that we have not

dealt with. It's all going to start to reveal itself because the veils are thinning at this transitional stage of our lives. The veils become thin and we start to, it's really an opportunity. It's not something that we should be scared of. We should look at it as this is an opportunity to really deal with this shit now because it's up at the surface. So that's really the opportunity of menopause. That trauma's been there probably all along. It's just, that it's coming to you now, just like it probably did every month before you had your period. Interesting, right. Yeah, and now it's like, okay, here's your last kind of chance where we're going to give you

to really address these things in your life that you haven't addressed. Do the healing that you haven't done or haven't wanted to do. I've been too afraid to do. And I think the women that avoid that are scared of it who try to numb it out. I think they have a harder time in the menopause transition. I really believe that it makes it much more difficult. Well, do you think a lot of women don't even know. No, they're not even putting it together, right?

I mean, how does it show up? You know what I mean? It doesn't show up as words like, hey, by the way, this is your trauma, right? So, I mean, I think some people that don't know that, like, I'm very into self-help stuff and all your spiritual things. So, like, I know that kind of stuff, but I feel like a regular person might not know how it's going to present itself. Well, you're absolutely right.

I think that's why we're so lost in our culture around this phase of a woman's life. There is just too much misinformation. and the lack of information in general. There's a wonderful community that was started by two women. And what they do, they actually, they have a book that they wrote, I think, called Wise Power. And their community is called the Red School. And they educate women on the menstrual cycle, menstruality, like how to use that in the ways we're talking about. And also how to educate women going through this menopause transition around like,

what the fuck is actually happening here? because it can be so disorienting. And if you don't have sort of that spiritual perspective on it, to ground yourself in that. I mean, this is the midlife crisis. You know, people say when you turn 40, I'm like, the 40 was great. But I'll tell you, going into 50, it's just like one thing after another. But because I have this understanding of, you know,

we're going through a spiritual death. We're going through the descent into the darkness, spiritually speaking. But we get to be reborn on the other side of that. And it's exceptionally intense going into that. But because I am grounded in that, I know I've been able to navigate it a lot better than probably my mother was. Yeah, for sure. She had a terrible time and she was such a bitch.

And of course, she had teenage kids to deal with when she was going, lucky my kids are grown already. But I thought, my God, my poor mom, if I was like this when my kids were like 13, I mean, yeah, I would want to fight their heads off too. Right. Yeah. So it's really a matter of being grounded in that perspective. And the Red School is worth checking out for anyone listening to this who just wants

to like tap into more of the body wisdom and the women's wisdom because we are hardwired for our intuition and for these ways of knowing things through our bodies. It's really there to help us. Our menstrual cycle as well as this menopause transition. Yeah. And I remember like because when I hit peri menopause, I was like, what the fuck is this? You know what I mean? So many things coming on. And I did a book. I did a book called Perry fucking menopause. I, and because I love that as a title. So I wrote a book with a doctor, you know. And I remember her talking about like with the loss of sex drive, you know, before I met her and she wrote that chapter, I always thought, oh, it's just all hormones. You lose your hormones. You lose your thing. But she was talking about how it's like this whole

sort of like thing that happens all at once. Like a lot of times a woman is also, you know, very stressed out. She has her job. She's got her kids. She's been with the same man for 40 years. You know, it's just like it's a lot of things wrapped up in one that just happened to be happening all at the same time when she loses that. You know what I mean? Whereas maybe sometimes I've heard of women that keep their sex drive going through menopause and beyond because they just met their new partner around that time. And they were like fucking like rabbits all the time.

You know what I mean? That whole saying like if you don't use it, you lose it. You know, that's that connection that you could lose if you're not sort of going there and you're not intimate and you don't feel it with your partner anymore. Well, and again, let me help to spell that myth as well because yes, you've got a you will lose it if you don't use it. And we don't need to be having sex with a partner in order to not lose it, which is another reason why I created the pleasure revival,

because we have this idea as women that we have, and I had too many women reaching out to me being like, hey, I'm 55. I've been single for the last 10 years, menopausal, and I just met this great guy, and it hurts so bad when we tried to have sex, help me, what do I do? Oh my God. You know, like, yeah. Yeah.

And so we don't, we shouldn't. We shouldn't wait. because that's often what happens is then like it hurts. There's pain because it's dried up, it's shriveled up. We haven't been keeping things supple and tone. It's been blood slow going and keeping things flowing through the body. We've gotten like crusty and dried out.

So we don't have to be engaged with a partner. And if anything, I'll tell you the women that I work with inside this program, most of them are motivated because they miss their former sexy self. It's not to please the partner. Yeah. It's not necessarily even because they want to have, I'm sure they do want to get back to having sex.

A lot of them do. But they sort of miss that vibrant aspect of themselves, that radiant aliveness that they felt when they were younger. We can get that back and we can be in control that. The difference is that once we're at this stage of life, this midlife and beyond, the difference is we actually have to work at it now. We actually have to do something.

We can't just like lean back and let our biology kind of do it for us. And so that's the mindset shift that we have got to be willing to make as women And if we care about this, if we care about feeling vibrant sexually alive, if we want to own our turn on, own our pleasure, be able to engage in sex with our spouse or our partner or a future partner that we haven't met yet, we actually have to be intentional about it and start to do something. Okay. Now, I want to tell you about my favorite sexual health company, and it is shameless care.

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I think you do have to be intentional. And I think unfortunately what sometimes happens to, and it's kind of like with depressed people, like you're depressed in the beginning and you get it because you remember what being happy was felt like. But after a while, you don't even remember, right? So it just becomes the norm. And I think sometimes when women lose their sex drive and it happens so slowly, they just forget and they don't even have that desire to get it back, right, sometimes. Because it's been so long and it just is. I know for me, like once I, I went on the pill once for one month in my life. And I was like, oh, I fucking hate this.

I know. I was like, I felt like a dead person. I was like, I don't like this deadness. I like to feel horny alive. You know what I mean? Like, and so for me, you know, I would never want to lose that part of myself because it, you feel more alive. Like, you do feel like something's missing.

I just think what happens sometimes the women is if it just goes away and the longer it goes away. And that's when I get these guys on my show complaining or emailing me. And they're literally listening to episodes like this. to go to their wife and help them. You know what I mean? Because sometimes these women, they don't even have the desire to get it back, you know, where I think you should.

There's not many, like, pleasures in life. You know what I mean? Food is one of them. Sex is one of the, you know. And so why nowadays when we live so much longer should we go like a half a life without it, you know? I totally agree. And what I will say to that is, yeah, like you need to have a why.

Now, for some people, if they're in a marriage or a relationship, and it's just not really a big deal to either of the partners. And, you know, no big deal. You don't have to want something that you just don't really give a shit about. Show me those five relationships that exist. Yeah, right. But oftentimes, what you just described is so common. A lot of times it is the man.

Like, I, you know, help my wife. And I have worked with that for many years in my sex therapy practice. I mean, working with couples where the man's dragging his wife and, like, she doesn't want to have sex when you fix her at all stages of life. life, not really because of menopause. Yeah. But when we look at that, there are, there's a lot of women out there who care very much about the relationship

and that not losing him because she doesn't want to fuck him. So those women often are motivated by, I know that this isn't working because of me, which is not necessarily always true, but I'll tell you, if it's a menopausal change and you're like, you've given up, but your partner is still interested, I do think that you have a responsibility to do something about it. Just because you don't feel like it, right? Because it's not fair. He's welcome then to go look outside the marriage at that point, in my opinion.

Like, try to do something about it or face the fact that he's going to get it elsewhere. Eventually, yeah. Or cheating or checking out on social media. Like, right, if your partner is willing to be there and to try to help you for God's sake, like please just try to help yourself, even if you don't feel like it. Because if you just start to do it, like at least with what I'm, know, when I'm teaching women with the pleasure core activation practices, you're eventually you're going to start to feel better.

You will have more arousal, more turn on, you'll feel more alive. And you do it, sometimes in the beginning you do it for the relationship or for your partner, but eventually really the ideals we do it for ourselves for our own pleasure, independent of any man or any partner. Right. Let me ask you a quick question. Then I want to get back to like your course. What do you think?

Like why women, like we go through this really intense spiritual thing that you're talking about. Like, is there an equivalent for men? I, yeah, absolutely. I don't know what they've titled it yet for men. But when it doesn't happen and what do they go through, do you know? I don't, you know, I know that men, absolutely, I think a man who's closer to age 47 or 48, like, honestly, that's when they've really come into their deeper wisdom. Like, give me a man, like right around there.

Like, as great as the younger guys are. Like there's really something that changes for a man around that stage, which is the same, you know, women we go through our menopause stuff at that time. And I don't really, I can't really speak to the men's, the psychology. They do. But I know that one way of looking at it too is for a lot of men, it's coming into, again, like as women, we come into like the queen archetype, right? Like our capacity to receive, hopefully, is really well developed. A lot of men come into their king archetype, which is really about providing and giving and being generous and less. And less. so about trying to nose to the grindstone and trying to kill it and drag it home and make money and like the career wise like their focus tends to shift a little bit like it they become

often at that age too and beyond much more available for relationship and I think that's because of the decline in testosterone and men this is funny because men will develop more of their feminine aspects at midlife and beyond whereas women actually we develop more of our masculine

aspects but we don't see shit from anybody anymore Yeah, totally. We'll go out in the world, maybe because we've been raising children, maybe we've been working jobs, but a lot of times we'll go through a transition at midlife where we really step into our life calling when that become activist. We might start a new business. We actually come into more of our mask and capacity. So it's equal and opposite, which is so very interesting.

A lot of that does have to do with the hormonal transitions and then also just the psychospiritual transition. Yeah, and I think what happens for women in their 50s for sure, too, and this is why they really should get back in touch with their sexuality because it's such the perfect blending and you have the best sex ever because you do sort of get to a place in your life where you don't care what anyone thinks anymore. You're comfortable in your body. You have more confidence than you ever have.

So I feel like women that are very in touch with their sexuality in their 50s are having the best sex of their life because of that. I totally agree. Right. And I mean, forget this whole like men stop noticing you after your summer age because I'll tell you like I'm, I don't have any problem, like any younger men, you know? Like the older I get the better, the younger ones start looking, you know? Yeah.

So I think, but partly why that is is because they've done study, the studies that have been done on this, the most attractive quality to a man is confidence. Right. It's not like your body size or your hair color or like it's actually how the confidence that you exude when it's a genuine, authentic woman who knows herself and knows what she wants. and she's confident and comfortable in herself. That above anything else is what men find attractive. And when we get a little older, we know ourselves.

We're not like we're in our 20s. Oh my God. Forget about right. Never go back to my 20s. No, ever, ever, ever, ever. Yeah. You know, everyone thinks like, you know, that's what every man is looking for. Well, not really.

I get way more attention now at 50 than I did even when I was in my 30s. You know? Like, I don't know why. That is probably because of the confidence thing. I think so for sure. You're never going to have that kind of confidence when you're 20. And, you know, it's kind of like a weird thing because there are like physical things that happen when you're older.

You know, you get a little bit more wrinkles and stuff and you're like, I wish I could be, I could have been like in my 20s with this feeling now, you know, but I don't know many women that are in their 50s that would ever give up like all those things you talk about, like the wisdom and the feeling confident and the not giving a fuck anymore to go back to that other time where you had all the great physical things, but you were like a fucking mess, right? Right. Oh, yeah.

Never the 20s. You know, mid-30s was pretty hot. Like, I got to say, like, because our, I think for women, that's when our hormones really peak is right on the mid-th century. Like, we're like 18-year-old boys in our mid-30s. Oh, no, 40s. Come on. Forties were like my horniest time.

I was banging a 25-year-old from my gym when I was 40. I was like, I saw a girl on Instagram. She goes around. She's a dating coach. and she's very beautiful and she looks hot and she goes around to all these old guys on the beach and ask them like what their age range and they're all old guys like I would never date anyone over 35 yeah and she happens to be like 40 something and she doesn't tell them to the end and she'll ask them like well would you date me and she's like super hot and they're like oh yeah I totally wish she's like well

I'm 40 something you know not one of them said they date I'm like I look like a baby when I was 45 still I'm sorry like you know it's a very different time but you know we're not really talking about that we're talking about like getting in touch so what are like the kind of experiences women have like that you've seen them go through, you know, who they were before and, you know, after they took that course and how long it typically takes and, you know, who, you know, what happens to them on the other side. Yeah. I mean, I can speak for what happened for me.

Yeah, that would be great. Yeah. Tell me your experience. Because, right, because everybody, you know, has different ways of showing up for themselves or not. And in order to really make movement, we have to be willing and be dedicated. So I can certainly speak kind of for what happened for me is I started really working with my pleasure core and doing some of these practices and developing the pleasure core activation ritual.

Yeah. I had amazing things that happened. I mean, I started having, going into instant squirting orgasms just from kissing my partner. Not even kidding. You're a kid. Stop. No. But wait.

Were you able to squirt before? I had squirted before once many years ago with another sexual partner. Okay. Like just sort of, uh, it had happened a couple of times, like through Jesus, really intense G-spot simulation. I was like, oh, that was cool. It was pleasurable. It felt good.

But it had never happened really, again, sort of on its own. I didn't have a partner really where we intentionally kind of worked on that. But when I started to do these practices, you know, AI became exceptionally aroused kind of all the time. B, I was just always wet. And then C, when I started to engage with my partner, because I actually was single at the time when I first started all the practice, then I met a man and was in relationship with him.

And like all of a sudden, like, I just in kissing him, I went into a, full squirting. Well, first during sex, it just happened. I was like, holy shit, that was amazing. I was like laughing so hard. It just like happened. And then it started happening just when I would sort of like, you know, I'd be standing next to him and I would, and I'd be very open and receptive and feeling him. And then I'd still go, oh my God, I'm going to go into an orgasm. So yeah, like, and then just from kissing him one time. And so it was pretty incredible. And I think some of that was absolutely the practices. And I was dedicated. I mean, I was. Of course. doing them every day.

And then also someone I think does have to do with the relationship itself when there's a lot of trust and a lot of receptivity and a lot of attraction that certainly helps. But because I was just staying so dedicated to my practice and having fun with it, it wasn't like, oh, I have to do this exercise thing. It was like it became very much a very beautiful time that I would take for myself. And I learned also how during sex to take myself into if I just wanted to bring more pleasure in for me, I could do that. But what also was so fun is I could do stuff to his penis that he would be like, oh, my God.

Like, what is that? You know? What do you mean? Your practice teaches you that too? Well, it does. Because it stems from a practice. I actually learned some of this from a woman who teaches a body of work that was used by, like, sex workers would use it to please their clients essentially, where they learn how to like squeeze and pull and pulse and push and ring and do all kinds of crazy stuff to a penis. Mm-hmm.

So the pleasure Curactivation ritual is inspired by some of those same practices. I don't teach it for that or really because what I got out of it more than anything was my own pleasure. Yeah. My own enjoyment. And the side bonus was that I could like make my partner freak out

by doing stuff to his penis with my vaginal canal muscles. Like that was the side bonus. It wasn't the focus of, you know, that's a very active thing too that you have to do if you're trying to do that to someone, the focus that is on the person, it's on their penis, you're doing the practice is kind of for him.

The real value is in our own pleasure, I believe. And so how I teach it is very different. Plus, I've added some other pieces with the energetic aspect and that whole thing. But yes, absolutely, because once you're learning how to have control over your pleasure core

and the musculature down there, you know, we're not just doing kegles. Like anyone can do a keggle, but can you do a side isolation and a pulse and a suck and a squeeze? Yeah, we don't even know what those are. And how do you know? I mean, because I remember having somebody on talking about pelvic floor and sometimes people think, oh, I do need the kegel or the kegel.

I don't know what the right way you say it is. But like, but some people, they don't. They're actually tight. I mean, there's different. Right. Like, you know, how do you know the difference and how do you know what to do according? Right. You're right.

A lot of people are too tight. And that can cause all the same problems that being not tight enough can also cause. And so, yeah. And I also think with kegles, I mean, that's just one. that we can do with our pleasure core. Also, like, the word caggle is so not sexy. Like, does anybody want to do caggles? No. Like, I don't want to do cagles. So let's get rid of that. Yeah. So some of the fun, fun names for some of the practices like, like squeezing the juice, hovering over the flour, milking the nectar. Like, there's a lot of really fun names for some of the

practices that we do. Yeah. I've just wanted to make it more fun and more pleasurable. So it's not so clinical and just about like, oh, I have to do, I have to do this thing. Yeah. Nobody wants to do that. And are they kind of like movements of you like doing stuff in your body and moving the muscles while you're orgasming or while your pleasure or while you're just sitting there? I don't, I'm trying to imagine. So really, right. It's a three part process, the pleasure practice, the pleasure practiceation ritual and the first part.

I mean, I once did the first portion of the ritual sitting at the airport while waiting for my airplane because you're never going to know. Yeah, exactly. I'm just like, I'm just like lifting the right side of my vaginal wall. Okay. Do that 10 times. Let's do that. So side isolation, sucking.

squeezing like I'm just sitting there you know nobody would have any idea that I was doing that so it's just it's like that so we're not actually going into movement because we're trying to learn it takes quite a bit of mind body focus in order to learn how to connect with that part of the body and doing these muscle isolations and that's a whole piece too by the way that we're not taught that studies have been done on the mind body connection it's actually called my god I love it it's so true come on the right the technical term is a interoception. It's the ability to sense the body from the inside. So like if you can sense your breathing or your heartbeat, that's interoception. And what that's doing, it's actually igniting a part of the brain called

the insula. What the insula does is said, oh, let's send, make more neural connections to that part of the body. Let's put more real estate there. Let's put more attention there. So what we're also doing and why we can increase sensitivity as well as orgasmic capacity through doing these practices because we're actually creating new neural pathways into our pleasure core. They did a study on this that showed that women that had a very high interoceptive ability, meaning they were they could very, it was easy for them to focus on their internal sensations. They had a much higher score on satisfaction as well as the ability to reach orgasm. Right.

And the good news, and that's a study, again, that was done recently in the last couple years, but that's a skill that actually can be learned. So even if you feel like you suck at it, you can learn it. So we're also developing that skill when we're doing these practices. And I had got off track on your question on that. No, you were talking about your, you were talking about the three different ways because I was asking you like how, like I was trying to imagine what you have to do.

Oh, like what are we actually doing? Right. Oh, because we have to focus. So right, we're not doing a whole lot else other than like mind body, like take your awareness there and now we're going to isolate or now we're going to do move the muscles like this. And there's a whole series. There's five different pleasure core skills that I teach.

It's a five day. It becomes a five day a week practice. We don't start five days. We work into it very slowly. Okay. And then the second piece is the piece that we often miss, which is what you were speaking to a minute ago, it's actually stretching and expanding because we don't want to just tighten.

And some women need to actually focus more on the stretching and expanding than the tightening at the outset. Right. Because you can be too tight and you lack blood flow. It's harder to orgasm, like all the same problems that if you're not tonified. So we always have that second. part of the ritual where we're actually coming in and we're doing really beautiful, you know, they're like yoga poses where we're opening up the pelvic floor,

we're stretching the whole pleasure core, everything going on down there. And then the third aspect of it is that energy piece. We're just coming into relationship with the subtle body. And there's just a couple of very simple practices I teach there that help the women learn how to actually start to move some of that juicy, erotic energy, getting it out of just the genitals so that we can radiate and be vibrant in our entire body. And it's very simple stuff. complicated. It's really just more of like a very introductory level of coming into contact with

the energy body or the subtle body. And how long, like for you when you did this, right? How long did it take before you were like, you know, squirting through kissing? Yeah. I mean, shockingly it did not take that long. I want to say, but I was, you know, I was dedicated. I was probably showing up five days a week. And honestly, I worked up to the five day a week practice and it, it took me longer at first. You know, I really had to slow down because some of the moves are like, this is weird. or if I'm doing it right. Like it takes a little time to, but once you get it, it's maybe 20, 30 minutes a day. And I want to say for me, it was probably five or six weeks in to being really dedicated.

It wasn't a lot of time. Yeah, that's not bad at all. But I think it's going to vary for every woman, like, depending on where you're at, too, and how long it's been since you've used your apparatus. And, you know, if you're overly tonified too tight, you're going to have to spend more time kind of with the relaxation practices and opening and releasing, then you're going to want to spend with the tightening. But the good news is it all really takes us to the same place, right?

It's all about tonifying, stretching, relax, blood flow, breathing, and then energy. Like, if we're working with all those things, it almost doesn't matter which one you start with as long as you're starting in the appropriate spot for you. Right. And now is this all done online? And is it a course that you like, you know, download, you know, how do they experience it? Yeah. It's an online course. I actually live launch it, but it's, it's, you've got a learning platform that has all the mom.

All the teachings are like there, right? All the lessons. It's all video lessons plus PDF resources to help support the learning. But I do it as a live launch, meaning there's like an eight week period where I'm tuning in with you live. I have a part of the program is a private podcast feed. We call Pleasure Revival Confidential. And so I'm jumping in there about once a week.

And I'm giving encouragement. I'm giving support. I'm answering any questions that people have submitted. Yeah. Yeah, so because I really feel like how we go, the challenge with just self-paced online stuff, it's great and I've done it. But, you know, it's easy to lose focus or feel like you're isolated all alone. And some people need a little bit more support, a little more accountability. So for an eight-week period, like I'm there.

There's other people in the course. I do maybe one or two live practice calls or I jump on a Zoom call. And we just go through one of the pleasure core practices together. So there's lots and lots of support. We have email support with me where there's Q&As are submitted that way. And so you don't feel like you're just going through entirely alone. But it's also private because people, what I noticed when I created this program,

the women really wanted, especially around sexuality stuff. People are very sensitive to privacy and where, you know, they don't necessarily want to be in a group call with 20 other people. So I really tried to make it so that it could be conveniently accessed anywhere. You don't necessarily have to show up for certain calls at certain times. But you still feel like you're part of a community and you have all the support you need. And in that eight weeks, if you do the program and you just show up for it, you're definitely going to get some results in an eight week time period.

And then you have lifetime access to all the materials. So you can always go back if you need to at any time. And I'm always updating the course too. So people get lifelong access to those updates and all kinds of good stuff that I'm constantly adding in there. Love it. So why don't you explain to people where they could find it, what they have to do to get it and all that kind of good stuff? And just so people that know that are listening, that are driving, I'll have the link in the description.

Okay, yeah, that'd be great. Well, it's susanmorgantaylor.com forward slash revival. That's where you can get more information, like, about it. And right now you can get on the VIP list to be notified when enrollment opens. I actually have another course we'll be opening or another cohort. I'll be opening enrollment very soon. We're going to start the course this June. So like next month, late next month.

Okay. But if you go to that URL, the Susanmorgantaylor. com forward slash revival. You can get more information on it and then get on that VIP list because then you'll be sure to get the email when the official enrollment opens in June. Right. Love it. Okay.

I'll put that link in the description. I love talking you. I love your course. I think it's a great thing for women to take. Like I said, I hear from men all the time that are emailing me like my about their wives not wanting to be on HRT but still wanting to get back in touch. So I think it's like great that you offer something like that. that, you know, I think it's a really great thing.

So thanks for calling in and explaining everything, and I'll put a link in the description, and I'll email you when your episode goes out. Oh, well, thank you so much. It's always good to chat with you. Thanks for having me on your show. No, thanks so much, Susan. Have a good day.

Okay. You too, bye. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available, not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order.

Order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck story. There's a gangbang girl story. Like I said, 17 stories. And they're all told in the third person. And they're all true. I took the interview. rewrote it in the third person. And I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like Penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories. 17 of them. They're really short

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