Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1503 - Tony & Francesca are in a Throuple with Tony’s Ex Girlfriend?!

Episode Date: June 29, 2026

Tony and Francesca are in a throuple with Tony’s ex girlfriend and they both called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how they met, Francesca’s first open marriage and why it didn’t work for her, how Tony reconnected with his ex and how Francesca wound up meeting her, when she realized she was attracted his ex and the ex was also attracted to her, how they all wound up in a threesome and what went down, how Francesca felt seeing him connect with his ex at first, the next hook up between the three of them and what went down including Francesca being cucked by them, how and why Francesca started worrying about their connection and how the ex helped her work through it, the trip that Francesca took where she first hooked up with ex for a week and what went down between them, the threesomes that went down between them when Tony showed up, how the ex did cop to having feelings for Francesca at first and how she feels now, how and why they want to continue being non monogamous moving forward when this throuple ends plus a whole lot more.  You can find Francesca here: https://frankierivers.com GET A COPY OF THE STRICTLY ANONYMOUS BOOK! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY HERE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  or Pre-order audiobook version ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   To see HOT pics of FRANCESCA & TONY plus my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show." Want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. All voices are changed.   Sponsors:  ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beduc.at/pd2626-anonymous⁠ Click here to take the quiz and  get your personalized SUMMER roadmap to sexual happiness ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://Rythm.Health/STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠for 15% OFF your first month  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://LoadBoost.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ - To get 10% off LOAD BOOST by VB Health, use code: STRICTLY   ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Buy 2 months of Bluechew GOLD and get the third month FREE! Use code: STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Follow me! Instagram  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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you get a free trial if you use my code 37712 or just go to the description and click on the link that's 37712 or just go to the description and click on the link. Okay, I have a great story for you today. Tony and Francesca are on to talk all about their little. thruple that they wound up with. I mean, like the titles I could create for this episode are so good. It's like, Tony is now fucking his ex-girlfriend and his new girlfriend, and they're in a thruple. I don't know. I don't know what I'm going to name it because I just hung up with them. But their story is so fascinating. They're just two very cool people, very open and honest people. Francesco was out of a 16-year marriage. Tony was out of a few-year relationship.

they met each other. They were super into each other. Francesca, you know, she does chatterbate, she does only fans. She was very open with her husband in the past. They were like polyamorous, group, sex, all that stuff. She talks about it, but she didn't want to do that anymore.

And she was really looking to be monogamous. Now, Tony didn't know if that was really the case. He left it open to her. They just started dating each other. And then in comes his ex. Okay. It's so interesting how they wound up with her because it was really like Francesca and the axe meeting each other and getting horny for each other.

And you're going to have to hear the details of that because she gets very specific on how they both felt and how that came to be and how they copped to it. And then they told Tony and then they all wound up in bed together. Okay. They didn't do it the first time. But then eventually they do and they've had vacations together and they talk exactly how the vacations were set up. Because really, Tony and Francesca are like their primary relationship. They're not like copping feelings. They're not in a thruple with her in that they have feelings for her.

They're just having fun with the ex. But it's such a super interesting episode because Francesca had some trauma in her past relationship with her husband with another woman. So there's definitely a little bit of an angst there for her with the other woman. But that's a part of her turn on. She's a little bit of a cuck queen. She talks about that. The ex girl, though, is like super cool. And everyone's been very open and honest.

And like I said, they're a little vacation together just happened very. very recently. And we end with that whole hot story of how that was set up and what went down and all that kind of good stuff and what's on the horizon for them. It's such a interesting story. Trust me, if you think I told you everything that happens, I didn't. They get very detailed. They're very good at telling their story. You're going to love it. It's super interesting. So I'm going to get right tuned and be right back on with Tony and Francesca. And Francesca, by the way, does like sex shows on chatterbate and she has an only fan and she's been talking about this whole experience and her cook queen scenarios. And she's going to be talking about it on.

chatterbate and she's going to give a shout out at the end to it and the link will be in the description but anyway i'm going to get right to it and be right back on with tony and francesca this is the strictly anonymous podcast strictly anonymous podcast uh hi tony and francesca welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast how are you guys doing today wonderful glad to be here kathy thank you for having us i'm so excited you're both on the call you did tag you did say something in your email that i was like oh i like this you're like it's a story about set like hot sex And healing all at the same time. I'm like two things I love, psychology and layers of, you know, emotions and sex.

And we got, we're going to talk about both of it here. We were discussing. I'm going to be completely honest. Francesca wanted to be called Frankie. And that is her like, like fake name online. And you are like, you do work on only fans on chatterby. Like you do have a hot voice and you do work that angle. And you guys said you do sex videos online already, right?

But we decided to call you Francesca because people will, you know, think it's a hot, it's a hotter name. but you're in the business in some way, shape, or form, correct? That's right. Or just you, Francesca? Well, I have an online business as a sex worker. I do only fans. I do live sex shows on chatterbate. And he has started appearing with me in some of my content lately, which has been really

exciting. And, yeah, you don't know, I'm going to say anything about that. But wait, you're going to, wait, no, no, I'm going to get your whole story. Hold on one second. But you guys are, I just want to finish my little intro, which I should have done in the beginning. Like there is some sort of thruple going on with you guys, right? There's another girl involved who isn't on the phone call with us today. But there is a, we're going to end with you guys winding up in a thruple, correct?

Yes. That is the trajectory of this experience. And the third person is actually my ex-girlfriend who I separated from about two years ago. Oh my God, I'm obsessed with the story already. I have a million questions. Let's go. First of all, how long you guys been together right now and around?

Like, what are your ages and all that kind of good stuff? And have you ever been married? Or is this like, you know, your first, like, dates or something?

I don't know. You tell me. Yeah. So we've been together just about a year. Uh-huh. And I'm 36. I'm 48. Okay.

How did you guys meet? Hmm. At a retreat in the woods together. We met at a hot springs outside of Portland. and we met dancing actually. Like in the woods? Yeah, well, it was kind of a retreat center at this hot springs and they had these dance experiences and it was a blindfold dance.

Oh my God. Listen, people don't know how beautiful the Pacific Northwest is. There's so many outdoorsy things. Like I could totally get that vibe because I've been there. You know what I mean? That they would have this kind of a thing going down over there. And so it was like a blind, like you were blindfolded? Yeah.

It was kind of a blindfold. contact dance. So all the participants are blindfolded and then they move through the space and dance with each other, but everyone's blindfolded. So it's a way to drop into your body and connect with each other and connect with yourself without having the kind of blockers that you would normally have when you're seeing things. Totally. But I cheated. I was really interested in this man. And so I peaked so that I could find him in the room and initiate a dance with him without his knowing that it was me so that I could see what he feels like. Okay, but let me ask you this, Francesca, because you didn't see him first. Like you got interested in him before you saw him and

then you lifted up and like cheated to see who the fuck that was. Like what was it about him that intrigued you before you saw him? Was it his vibe? Was it his smell? Was it? Did you grab his crotch? Like what, what made you want to know who this guy was anyway? Because you were blindfolded. Well, I had just met him briefly before that. And I was. I wasn't sure what it was that was so alluring about him. It was just that my whole system lit up, even though I didn't know very much about this man at all. It was just my body and my heart and my mind were like, yes, yes, yes.

So this is when you were blindfolded. So this is when you were blindfolded. So when you were blindfolded, you wanted to make a beeline to him. That's right. Okay. Because I was interested. All right. I thought you were feeling about blindfolded and then you're like, I got to see who this

person is. Okay. So that makes more sense. Okay. So you make a beeline to him and you're pretending that you don't know who he is. And now your guys are touching each other blindfolded. That's right. And I invited some erotic energy into our dance to see how he would respond.

And he got interested in a little bit. And then he got contained and was like, oh, I better not get too spicy in this dance. It was very honorable of him, actually. It made him even more attractive that he held that energetic line a little bit and was willing to get a little spicy in the dance. but then was like, oh, I better have some integrity in this blindfolded space. Oh, my God. Were you allowed to talk? Because if you used your hot voice, you got a great voice, by the way.

You know what I mean? If you use that voice, were you using your voice and your touch at the same time? No. Oh, interesting. Yeah, the voice would have melted. Just my body. Just my body. It can say enough.

Yeah, I'm sure. You're the whole package, right? Okay. So, all right. So, Tony, were you like, oh, my God, this is totally, like, were you getting super turned on even though you couldn't see her? I was I definitely noticed that level of sensuality

that was coming through in the dance and had to play with it I didn't have to but I got to play with it and enjoy it but then there was a level of wanting to kind of rein it in a little bit because of it being somebody I didn't know and I wanted to not let them feel too much of what I might be feeling

and you know I didn't know who I was dancing with so I wanted to honor that boundary so yeah but I definitely noticed it And how long had you been separated from that ex-girlfriend at this point? About a year. Okay. So were you open to me? Like, were you looking for somebody new?

Yeah, I was open to dating. I wasn't actively engaged too much. I was enjoying just being single and just doing my own thing. Right. But I was definitely open to it. And so, yeah, me and. Francesca. Emily is what we're calling my ex.

Oh, your other girl. The other. were you with her by the way because she's going to come back in the picture because you're in a thruple with her how long were you date how long did you date her for about two and a half years okay cool so you got you take off your thing and are you totally taken by her i'm assuming you guys ummask so then there's another after this we unmask and then we we know we're hanging out and then there's another dance later that day where it's the same kind of dance but then there's no blindfold and you know how when you're in a room and you're tracking somebody and the other person's

kind of tracking you and you kind of know where they are in the room even if you're not direct looking at them. We were doing that a whole bunch throughout that space and that time. And then eventually I was sitting on a bench and Francesca rolls over, Frankie rolls over on the floor and just kind of takes your little toe and taps my little toe. And it's like a little like, hello, how are you? And it initiates this dance. And then it's not blindfolded. And we're rolling around on the floor and we're like, oh my God, there's like this supercharge of sexual energy and intensity and attraction. And I was like, Primal. Primal, yeah, we're putting it. And then from there, we just were hungry for each other. We were looking around the resort for each other and we were kind of having these misconnections, but then getting anxious around, where is this other person? Am I going to see them again? And then the resort is about to, you know, the end of the event is about to come to a close and I think, oh, I'm not going to see her again. And then I run into her randomly. And I say, how would you like to join me for an epic cuddle session? And so then we go back to my place where I'm staying and have this really sweet, connected, roly, you know, those almost kisses that are really hot and lingering.

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description and click on the link. And what was your backstory, Francesca? Like, were you recently out of a relationship? Did you, were you ever married before him or in a long-term relationship? Yes. Yes. I was with my husband for 16 years. Wow. And when I met Tony, I was in a place of a bit of nursing heartache and and I was in a place of no, which is why it was so surprising when I met him and my

whole system lit up with a yes and was just like that. I thought that I was a little closed off. I knew that I was opening back up again. And so I think that encountering such a good match just lit me up because I had just enough receptivity to be able to recognize what was being offered. I think, I mean, isn't that thing like that electric thing that you get when you meet that right, that next person, whether they're going to be the perfect or not? You know what you mean? That's typically there, don't you think? I mean, it's...

Yeah, my system really knew. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Wisdom in my body. Yeah, for sure. So, okay, so how was the sex when you first got it on with each other? Was it as amazing as you knew it was going to be that first time you, like, rolled around with each other? Mm-hmm. It was pretty electric. Yeah. Right. We waited. We waited until we were on the river. Yeah, our first time was in a tent next to the river. Mm-hmm. Under the stars. Under the stars. And Francesco, was that the first guy you were with after your husband? Oh, no. I had just, I wish. I wish I had waited.

I had been with a good friend of mine a little bit during that time, but it was very loosely held and comforting during that time. It wasn't a relationship. Right. And so it was when I met Tony that I was really moved to cultivate relationships. Right. Okay. So you guys get it on and everything now. Are you both, I mean, because you're, you wind up in a thruple. So you're open to other people. I mean, have you both been open to those kinds of like alternative like relationships and lifestyles before? I mean, have you, because I'm assuming, should I just assume that you were doing sex work and online stuff like way before you met,

Tony? So, well, she asked you, but I'll, I'll answer for my. myself. No, I was asking you because I said before you met Tony, not Tony. Oh, before I met him. Yeah. So, yeah, I've been doing sex work and in my marriage with my husband, we went through various phases of openness and polyamorous relationships and fun adventures. So I have a long history of experience having group sex and navigating open relationship. Right. And I'm coming at it without that experience. I have an interest in being, I guess, you know, what Dan Savage calls monogamish. And I tried with my previous partner to open up and to connect with other people, but for various reasons it didn't quite happen or come into fruition. But it's always been an

interest of mine. But I was pretty clear that I didn't want to be in a polyamorous relationship. It sounded like I interviewed quite a bunch of people that were in polyamorous relationships, and it seemed like a lot of effort for not a lot of, you know, not a lot of fun, you know. It was like a lot of processing, a lot of emotional stuff and a lot of things. As one polyaramous friend of my putties, like, juice wasn't worth the squeeze. I was like, okay. Oh my God, I get a lot of headaches. I talk about it all the time.

I've come to the conclusion that I think these people, they need that kind of, like their brains just need all of that nonsense. Yeah. I call it nonsense, but for them, I think it's like how they're wired, you know, because who else would want that much. But the people that really like it, like that's the part of it that they dig, I think you have to,

because there is a lot of that squeeze and not a lot of juice. Yeah, there's not, it's no judgment and I think it's wonderful, but it's like there's a certain characteristic of personality that wants to be engaged in kind of higher drama. Totally. That's what I agree.

And intensity or, you know, there's like the... Talk, talk, talk, talk. Yeah, there's like, I, I love to process. But what's funny about this is that when I met Tony, I was actually seeking monogamy. Interesting. So why were you done with it?

Well, I think I was just feeling a heartfelt call towards devotion. Right. And this was a new experience for me. Previously, I was like, no, I need freedom. And for whatever reason in this place where I was at, I was like, oh, now I want devotion. I want I want full attention. Right. And you feel like maybe you didn't have that in your previous marriage because it was so open?

Yeah. And I didn't want it. Yeah. In fact, my husband would have loved it if I would have been agreeable to monogamy. Right. Not that he didn't have a very good time with all of the fun that we had with others. But I think that that just wasn't something. I was the driver.

Yeah. Interesting. Because you just felt like that's what you wanted. And so now you're going. in the complete opposite direction. You think you are actually after. Right. Interesting.

Yes. Where is the healing come in? Is it for you, Francesca, because of your previous relationship and everything? Like, where is that part of this story? Or is it with you, Tony? Yeah. So I think that there's a lot of different healing that's happening in this dynamic and this throuple dynamic.

And for me, one of them is healing past wounds and feelings of, betrayal and fear of loss. You know, I'd always been really open to my husband being with others and never really felt threatened. And then I had an experience where I did, where another woman almost kind of coerced him away from me, you know, or like threatened to steal my man. And, and so suddenly, I didn't feel as secure anymore. And so as we started navigating this, this thruple dynamic, all of those fears came back up for me and I became afraid of betrayal. And I became afraid of that she would take him away from me. Of course. Yeah. And so that was that was the thing that was coming up for me that needed healing. And I had a lot of mistrust. And so we've been

navigating a lot of that and just my my past experience showing up in this current one and needing a lot of care. And the two of them have shown up beautifully in holding me in my my fear and insecurity and and helping me be brave so that I can have a good time and also get the care that maybe I didn't receive in that previous experience. Yeah, I love all this. But let's get to the point. Let's like dial it back a little bit and like I need to know how you guys even wind up in a Thruple with Tony's ex because I'm assuming, you know, this is a done deal. He's not been with her for a year. how does she come into the picture? And Francesca, you have decided at this point that you want to be monogamous.

I'm assuming you let Tony in on your previous lifestyle and all the things that you were into. Like how does the conversation start where you're going to change things up for Tony? Because he's never been like non-monogamous really. And for you considering you didn't want it. Well, I'll dive into the second question first. and it was kind of an evolution of how Francesca was coming to clarity with herself around her non-monogamous or her wanting monogamy because she had lived a good 15 years in this dynamic and to make such a shift into something new, a new paradigm,

usually what happens in human psychology is that we go through these upheavals and we think we're going to change and we go through all these transitions, especially with a large relationship transition, but oftentimes humans will tend to revert back to old patterns or just ways that feel comfortable or things that feel familiar. And so I was curious, a little trepidacious, around this statement of, oh, I'm no longer non-monogamous, I'm no longer polyamorous, because that's such a huge identity shift

that we spent some time kind of seeing if it was going to be true or not. Francesca went to Mexico for four months to Tulum in a place where normally she would go and meet partners and go have fun and frolic and kind of leave her husband and go spend some time and care for herself and go have fun with people. And so she went this winter and it was kind of a test case to figure out whether or not this new way of being in relationship was going to stick. and lo and behold, she kept getting offers from men or experiences that would come up out and opportunities that would present themselves. And so she kept checking in with her system to confirm whether or not she wanted to stay with Tony. And it kept affirming the positive that she wanted to continue this relationship and continue to honor devotion. And so, yeah, that kept coming up and it kept affirming. So that was kind of creating some stability and creating some consistency and this transition that she was making.

But what about you? What was going on in your head, though, Tony, at this point? Because, like, are you kind of like a part, is there a part of you that's kind of like, oh, if she decides she doesn't want to be monogamous? Like, I'd be totally open and interested in trying this out because I've never done this before. Like, what was your thoughts on that, on what was going on? Yeah, I think I, well, a lot of. factors would depend on that because we lived in different cities and she was originally planning to travel and then continue traveling around the world. So there could have been some opportunity

to connect, but I think I would have held the relationship a lot lighter and I would not have put as much time, effort, energy and focus into it because ultimately what I'm looking for is a more connected. But do you see open relationships as not connected? they are connected but I find that there are layers that are levels that I want to be able to reach with my partner in devotion and that I've at least in my mind and what I desire that would be more difficult in a non

you know like a polyamorous dynamic my attention would be split my attention would be diversified and I just don't think that's necessarily what I want but I'm also it's like this big spectrum So I'm also feeling into, as we've been moving into this dynamic with this thruple with my ex, is like, well, what are these belief structures I have around this? And what could be possible?

What was that? It doesn't make sense. One part of what you're saying, considering where we all know where you wind up. You know what I mean? Because you do wind up in a thruple with somebody else. So there is another person in this relationship. And that adds a whole other level. But so at that point, you're not like, you're not like, interesting.

in being open either. Like you're hoping that, you know, even though you're aware that she can go back to her old ways and maybe that is her real state of being and you just want to make sure that that's not the case and you're letting her sort of be free to make that decision herself. It's not like you want to open things up. You want a monogamous relationship with her like you've had in the past with everybody else, correct? Monogamish.

Yeah, that's where that leads us. Yeah. Monogamish on the spectrum. And even with this thruple that we have going on right now, currently, my attention and focus is with Francesca. So I'm, I'm, and that's where my relationship interviews. Everybody I talk to that are fucking other people, their relationship is only romantic with each other. It's polyamory where the feelings and attention goes someplace else. But with a lot of open relationships that are on my show, the people are very connected and only in love with each other.

And they just have a little fun sometimes on the side with other people. but it definitely doesn't affect their emotional connection. If anything, it makes it stronger. I've never heard of it. Like, obviously, when it goes wrong, it doesn't. But a lot of couples, it makes them stronger. It's not lacking in their connection. Actually, you know, it's really just about, you know, little physical stuff every now and then.

So what does monogamish mean to you? I need to know what that means. Yeah. So for me, that feels like finding a way to cultivate that devotion piece, that core relationship, and then being able to also play. Right. How's that not in a way that serves the relationship? What's the difference between non-monogamy and monogamish to you guys?

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time. But I don't see non-monogamous couples and polyamorous couples as the same thing. It's like apples and oranges. Polyamory, a lot of times, isn't even about sex so much as it is about emotions, whereas non-monogamy is all about sex and there's no emotions. That's not what it's about, you know? Yeah, I guess we're sort of, you know, yeah, I guess we fall in the spectrum of non-monogamous and monogamish as kind of the semantics. Right, but let me ask you, Tony, what does monogamish mean to you? I think I echo what Francesca said, which is, you know, cultivating care and emotion and connection with our primary relationships, but then allowing ourselves to be able to have experiences with other people and be open to those things.

Right, but that's what I wanted to know. So let me just ask you, because now that I know that you have these weird definitions of things, like maybe I don't have your history, maybe I don't have your history. I have Francesca's history down. Okay, she was like open and, you know. Yeah, coming from a place of polyamory before. Oh, well, it didn't sound like polyamory. It just sounds like group sex and fun.

I didn't realize it was polyamory because if it was polyamory, how could a woman take him away? Like, isn't it allowed to be emotional? with other people? There was hierarchical polyamory. And so me and my husband, yes, where the core and then everything else was an accessory to. And then there was a threat to the power structure that occurred. Yeah, which of course, they can because it's so blurry, right?

Those lines when you're, when you have it set up like that. So when you were giving, so my question to you though, Tony, maybe I'll phrase it differently because I was wondering, like, were you open to, you know, like maybe not being as hardcore she was with her ex, but maybe having an open-ish monogamish relationship with her, because she came in saying, I just want to be monogamous, right? But when you knew of her past, were you like, okay, maybe we could do more than be monogamous? Like, were you open to that as well? Because obviously you guys wind up there. Yes. I had a feeling that based on her past that for Francesco had to go full monogamous, that that would be,

cutting off part of who she is and that there would be some sort of a middle ground, I guess, where there was, because I think that desire to play and explore and be with others and like that, that feels like a part of her identity. But how it shows up and what actions get taken to kind of meet that need can be different for everybody. But I had, yeah, I had a feeling that it wasn't going to be full monogamous. And because that's also not what I want. I don't want full monogamy. Yeah, that's why I asked. I was, yeah, that's why. I asked. Yeah, that's what I was wondering because you know when you said monogamish I was like oh I don't think you're looking for like I that's what I was getting at so you were hoping that she would be maybe

figure out that she wanted right like you were open to that with her just not open to being Polly exactly yeah yeah and we're still kind of figuring out what our definition is and what our relationships or relationships are yeah I'm trying to figure it out too so interesting to me I love the whole all of it it's because you're learning as you go and I listen I do think I don't know Tony what you do for a living, whether you're a psychologist or anything, but I do think like you sort of feeling like, listen, this is who this girl was her whole life, right? And even though she's coming from the place where she's like, no, I don't want that anymore, like maybe it does come from trauma. And if she got over that, like maybe, you know,

who she really is is this person that's very free like she has always been. And I think you were very smart to give her free reign to sort of figure out whether, you know, who she really was and whether monogamy, which she was, you know, professing, was really going to be the right thing for her. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think you're like, are you a psychologist? I have, not professionally, but it's been a very strong hobby of mine over the years.

And so I'm taking lots of courses. Okay. So that's how, yeah. It sounded like you knew, right. Like it sounds, and I feel like you're right. Like that makes total sense. You know, you just seem to know more than the average person. So I was just wondering.

Okay. So as you're playing around and like, you know, you're still monogamous at this point, right? Even when you travel to Lume and everything, right? But you're connecting and you guys are in a serious relationship with each other, right? Well, I'll lead into how we connect with my ex. Yes, please. This was New Year's last year, not, I guess it was three months ago, four months ago now,

whatever it is. And we all knew that we were going to be together with a bunch of friends over New Year's. And I knew that my ex was going to be there. and I, all of us kind of wanted to, and I'm trying to bridge the reconnection with my ex and trying to create a friendship, trying to create a connection with her again. And so we knew we were all going to be hanging out New Year's together and we wanted to create a kind of a safe and comfortable space. And so we all agreed to meet for a lunch prior to having the New Year's Eve connection. And that's when Francesca and my ex got together for lunch. and then they also shared an interesting kind of attraction experience that happened

where they both kind of had these different sexual fantasies about the other person and they both kind of alluded to it to me in these different ways. And so I thought that was kind of interesting. You might be able to share more about that. Wait, let me ask you a question though. How do you like, okay, so there could be a couple different reasons why you're trying to bridge this connection back with the axe, right? Is it because, you know, so much time had gone by, you're over the pain of like not being with her,

but you remember her as this great person, which I totally get. I'm friends with all of my exes. You know, eventually when you get over the emotional pain of leaving them, like you remember they were great and you like so many things about them. So you want to be their friend and you can be their friend. Or was it that you were always talking to her this whole time and you wanted her to meet Francesca? Like, what's with this reconnection? Was it more to connect her to Francesca or was it more for you to connect with her again? because time had gone by and you wanted to be friends again or something?

Yeah, it was the latter. It was more time had gone by and I wanted to be friends with her again. I miss having her in my life. Yeah, I get that. She's also in my friend community. So we see each other on the regular with different friend events. So it was important to, you know, create connection again. So this was part of that process.

And I wanted, you know, if she was going to be friends with me and I wanted her to be friends with my new partner as well. Yeah, I love that. Okay. And so Francesco, what was going on in your mind that you were like secretly horny for the X? Well, I was supportive of them reconnecting and sort of healing a bit of their disconnection with one another. But then I saw her for the first time. And it was at a dance event and I saw her dancing in these short little black shorts.

And I was like, oh, she's cute. And I felt this, I felt threatened. I felt insecure. I felt comparison. And I was imagining what it might have looked like when the two of them were making love. and I felt jealous. Yeah, I could have. And then also I felt aroused.

I was like, oh, I bet it was really hot. Look at her dance. Look at her little ass move. I bet that that looked so good. And so I was having this conflicting experience of insecurity and then simultaneous arous arousal before I even spoke to her for the first time. And then we met and I realized how lovely and beautiful of a person she is. And I was like, oh, no wonder he, you know, he's got such good taste. Right. Yeah. And so when it came time for the New Year's Eve event, after her and I had had our first connection and kind of broken the ice with one another to kind of make peace, you know, as the ex and the current girlfriend, her and I wound up confessing that we were both having similar experiences of one another, that the first time she saw me, she had a similar experience of, oh, my God, what the fuck, she's beautiful.

how, you know, and being simultaneously upset and then also stimulated. It really can be like the same emotion, right? Like jealousy can be a turn on at the same time. I remember the first time learning that from somebody and I was like, oh my God, I'm going to turn my jealousy into a turn on forever. Yes. So much better than being just fucking jealous, right? You know, but it's a matter of like being open to it morphing that way.

And you both were, right? Like you didn't just stick in the jealousy. You were able to see the other thing that was there and then go into that. And isn't that so much better than just being jealous and petty of another woman who, like you said, it's clearly this wonderful person. So when you're confessing this, are you guys confessing it to each other? Or are you confessing it with Tony there? Like, Tony, do you get in on this action?

Well, first we confessed it just to each other. We were having a girl chat and we were like, hey, I feel this way about you. And she was like, hey, I feel this way about you too. Oh my gosh. You know, giggling about it. And then noticing that I was feeling it right then in that moment. So I just named it. I was like, in fact, I'm feeling it right now. Wow. And so honest of it. Yes, we're both very brave, honest women. It makes a lot of things possible that we are willing to say the thing. And so we

were both kind of alchemizing that that sort of pain, pleasure experience that we were having and sharing it with one another and then noticing it being cultivated in real time and that arousal was showing up right then in that moment. And so then what we did is we invited Tony over. We were like, hey, come over here. We got it. We got to tell you. We have something to tell you. Tony, what was that experience like? Well, it was like walking into this like a little bit of a lovelness. And I was like, what am I walking into? Because they had really cultivated this intense, this energy. Yeah, her and I were wrapped around each other. We were cuddly. And I was like, what's going on here? Oh my God. And so they just invited me into this little love cuddle.

And then shared this level of intimacy and arousal that they were feeling. And then I'm not sure who it was, but the suggestion was made. Well, let's go find her. It was her. Okay. Then let's go find a bedroom. And so we, the three of us got up and went to find a secluded space and then let in the back bedroom of this New Year's party.

Oh my God. Oh, right. You're at a party still. Like Tony gets in on this like just 20 minutes later. I still at the party. Oh my God. Yes. Okay.

So you go in the back room and you all get it on? Basically. Yes. Yeah. We all just kissing and sucking and licking and licking and fondling each other and just going to town and having a great time. We didn't have full penetrative sex that time. That's true.

Okay. Because, do you know why? Is it just because you were like, had to get back to the party? People were knocking on the door or maybe you just wanted to just go a little gently into this. I mean, it's kind of very loaded. I feel like it's the most loaded for the ex because it's not just, I mean, Francesca is someone new in her life, but like Tony is like the past, right? Like she's going back to something. Like it's very loaded for her. It's very emotionally charged. Yeah, I could imagine. I think that that's why we didn't have penetrative sex was because we wanted

to kind of be mindful of the emotional landscape that everyone was navigating. and me knowing what my ex was going through. I mean, I put myself in her shoes, I'm like, well, I'm here with my ex-boyfriend and his new partner and just the emotional layers that she must be navigating. And there was a time where she got really tender in that space where because she was feeling like,

oh, my God, I'm reconnecting with you. And she cares about me, but she's not with me. So there's this mixture of pleasure and grief that was going on. Yeah, that's what I thought. That's what I assume. Like for her, it's a, it's a one, you know, the most because of everything you just specifically said, which was perfect. Exactly. So we wanted to be kind of tender and mindful about that experience and, and then also what Francesco was going through as well in the way she's relating to it. So yeah, we took it easy and then enjoyed that moment to connect with each other. Do you want to speak to anything more about that?

I would. There were two moments during that connection that really stood out to me. and one was the moment that I saw the two of you kiss. It was passionate and it was tender. And it hit my system in that same way as the other things had where it was like, oh no, is that okay? You know, and I had like fear. And then all of a sudden I was overcome with arousal and a lot of compersion and just appreciation for how beautiful and hot it was.

And then another really beautiful moment was sort of one of the more softer, tender moments where the two of you turned to one another and acknowledged that you missed your connection with one another. You know, she looked up at you and said, hey, I miss you. And you said, I miss you too. And, you know, we got to hold that moment also just like appreciating and grieving. But did that moment bring up the same double feelings in you? Because I would assume that would be a little bit like, you know, take you a little bit aback as

well as maybe turn you on, like both things at the same time for that as well? A little bit, but mostly my heart was just really appreciating that the two of them were able to have that moment. Like, I was so glad that they were willing to have that moment and to let me witness it. Right. Okay, cool. So what happens after that? We all realized how much fun that was and we wanted to explore further. She's the hot sex part of the story.

Exactly. So then we get together, I think two days, maybe three days later. and we set up my house and invite my ex over and for 24 hours we basically have a no-holds barred you know all you know everything's available and just enjoy each other immensely yeah that's when we did have full penetrative sex and we did it all in fact multiple multiple variations of all sorts of beautiful sex acts we sure and there was this there was this fun experience that that Francesca was wanting in sort of a cuck-holding type of experience that she was wanting to cultivate. And so what, and knowing what she was looking for, which is to kind of be restrained and also watch me enjoy my ex.

And so while Francesca was laying on the bed, I put my ex on top of Francesca's head, you know, so that it was straddling her face. And so then I fucked my ex from behind. So Francesca was looking up from the bed at us having sex right above her, like inches from her face. Yes. And our legs are holding Francesca down. So she's restrained, held onto the bed and just watching us fuck right above her face. Yeah.

Glorious. Glorious enjoying that. And does that give you that little bit of angst and turn on at the same time? That becomes like a thing for some people. for sure. It does. It's visceral. And I can, when I'm watching the two of them together, especially, you know, I love up close penetration and watching that. I know what it feels like to have him inside of me. And so when I'm seeing him inside of her, I'm like imagining how good that must feel for her. And then I'm also tapping into how good that must feel for him and watching his facial expressions and his pleasure and all of that. And yes, that simultaneous angst and pleasure experience was definitely happening for me and all throughout these experiences, but arousing me uncontrollably, you know, just like ripping through me. Yeah, I remember the first time I had a cuck queen on, you know, because there is a name for that,

you know, it's a little bit of a cuck queen and you that wants to see that. It gets turned on, you know, and that is a thing. And I was like, oh, I think I might be a little bit of a cuck queen. Like, I totally get that, you know, and sometimes that's a big part of like guys that are into hot wiping. There's a little bit of that involved too, you know? Yeah, it's a bit masochistic. Yeah, yeah, but it's hot, you know, and it's for the moment because obviously you guys, no one's being hurt for real in this. And maybe that's how it's healing for you. I don't know. That's right. It creates safety. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Because it's like reliving that trauma, but it's like the same reason why some

people are into BDSM and how it can be helpful for people, right? That's right. You know, it's more you're in control of this now and you're in a safe place. It's not your ex-husband and no one's stealing him way. You know what I mean? That's right. Yeah, it's amazing. Okay, so what happens from there? Like, because your guys are trying to define things. So I'm assuming that do, does emotion start to get involved in this? Yeah, this is the part where feelings come. Yeah. For sure. Let's give me a, should I take one Tylenol or two? I don't know if it's going to be confusing to me. You tell me. What happens next? Yeah. Well, I mean, I became, you know, I had a lot of that fear coming up, fear that now that he was reconnecting with her that and you know she was reconnecting with him that she

would want to take him away from me and then I was leaving from Mexico and so I was afraid that while I was away that he would be like cheating on me with her or she would be seducing him away from me and so there were a lot of feelings coming up around that and and the two of them held me beautifully in that. And she even, she's the sweetest thing, she wrote me a song and sang it to me about how she just wants to be my friend and doesn't want to steal my boyfriend. It was, she was like really loving me well through this whole thing. And yeah, but what I love about this part of your story is that, you know, because sometimes when I've been jealous in the past, I've kept like my jealousy to myself, right, and didn't sort of express it or whatever. And what's great that you

did for yourself. And that's like the worst thing you could do, right? I mean, you were just like, bold enough to be like, this is how I'm feeling right now and right to them, both of them. And they were able to reassure you. And a little reassurance goes a long way. That was the healing for me. It was being able to say, hey, I need some care. Being afraid that I wouldn't get it and then winding up receiving it. Yeah, that's amazing. That was really soothing to my heart. Yeah, that was great that you did that for yourself, right? And so you went away and everything was good, right? And then you weren't with her, right? Like, what was the setup at this point?

Did she live with you now? Or like, how's the Thruple set up now? Hmm. So when Francesca leaves for Mexico for four months, we planned a trip where my ex goes and visits Francesca for a week. And then I come in and there's an overlap for about three or four days. And then my ex leaves. And then I spend the next week with Francesca. in Mexico. So that's a trip that happened about two, three weeks ago. Oh, let's hear about that true. Francesca, you get, you get the ex alone for a little while. I do. I got to enjoy her for about a week before he arrived for us to just have girl time together, to process things, to work on cultivating a friendship. Because at this point, we're so into each other, even without the sex,

that we're just like, I want to be your friend. Yeah. And so we were spending time cultivating that, while also knowing that Tony would be arriving and that we wanted to receive him, you know, in a really fun and sensual way and to have a really good time together. And so her and I were just having adventures and cultivating friendship and doing a lot of processing and talking and preparing for his arrival and cultivating erotic energy between the two of us also. We didn't have sex, her and I without him there. Right. Okay. Yeah, that was like not on the table. It was not on the table.

It was something that we agreed on beforehand is that the experiences that we would have together would be shared experiences. You know, but the energy was in the air. Her and I were having sexy dances. You know, we were sleeping naked and bed together and cuddling each other and being very sweet and kissy with each other, you know, and just like letting the energy rise and arouse each other of it as sort of foreplay. Only girls can do that.

Only girls. I know. Girls are so sweet like this. Yeah, the girls all. have the discipline to be like naked in bed together wrapped around and not go all the way. You know what I mean? If you were two guys, you wouldn't have an hour. Right, right.

Yep. All right. All right. So what happens when Tony arrives? Well, let's see what does happen? What kind of foreplay is that for you? That must have been like so hot the sort of build up for you, Tony, right? I would assume. It was.

I was imagining them. They were sending me pictures of them being sexy in bed together. naked wrapped around each other. It was really hot and really spicy. And I was like, can we fly there faster? Can you please put the gas pedal over to the floor? Please don't take a long time to get to the gate. I need to get off this.

But when he first arrived, we prioritized a connection just between the two of us first. We hadn't seen each other in a couple months. Oh, okay. I like that. So we asked her to go and entertain herself somewhere while we reunited with one another for a few hours and connected just the two of us. And that felt really special. And then she arrived back. And we welcomed her with open arms like, okay, now it's the three of us.

Now what? And maybe you can speak to what that was like. Yeah, I mean, the wonderful thing about them spending the time together they had prior to my arrival was that they cultivated safety and connection and ease. And so it's, it cultivated this experience where everyone felt incredibly comfortable with each other, which is rare when you run into threesomes or grouped things or whatever because it can be very clunky. Yeah. Where people are, you know, is this okay? Is that okay? Can I touch you here? What are your boundaries? What's my, you know, that doesn't feel good. Do you smell good? Do I smell good?

All these things that go into group dynamics. And so for it to have this level of trust and safety and knowing of each other and intimacy buildup and flirtation and sensual energy exchange and interplay made the experience of the three of us together just so amazing and beautiful and connecting and easeful. And so when we did go into playing with each other, which we did for like three days straight that it was so useful to just move in and out of sensuality watch different people connect with each other and just enjoy it and just watch each other

play with each other and there was so much energy and sensual exchange watching the power dynamics between the two women like one of them would be the take on the more of the masculine and dominate the other person and then they would switch around and watch the different dynamics and everyone was just enjoying each other

And it was so much groundwork had been done that we could just fall into it and trust. Right. Yeah. Okay. And this was recent. Can I ask you a question? How is the ex, like, keeping herself from falling for either one of you guys? She admitted that she was, you know, had, I don't know, kind of the Twitter pitted energy towards Francesca when she first,

met her and went through like an infatuation phase. And she told me that it just wore off eventually and that she moved more into a place of feeling just more authentic love and care and interest in friendship and kind of more of a mature, grounded way of seeing and interacting and being with and caring for Francesca. But yeah, at first it was definitely, you know, you know, she was like the teenage boy with the hot girl like oh my god what do i do oh she's so cute yeah because she's never she's never spun out for her i i get why maybe she wouldn't get that for you what were you going to say sorry oh no you're all good um and also it's a worthy note that that this is my ex is first a girl on girl

experience as well oh okay that makes it even more like like a could have been confusing right yeah a little bit yeah so there's lots of feelings and emotions and she's going through like am I, you know, am I a lesbian or bisexual? Am I like, what's going on here? Yeah. She had a, she had like a little, you know, like a little sexy fling in college like a lot of people do, but that was it. So this was her first full-on sexual experience with a woman before. So it was, and that which also makes it really beautiful because of the level of care and intimacy and connection that was built up between the two of them made it just so much more easeful

instead of this kind of, it can be, it can be awkward at first time doing things with people. Yeah. And what about for you? I mean, I know for me, I love hooking up with X's after I've gotten over the emotional part because I know that I'm just not a past person. So if I've spun out emotionally with them once and been there, done that and over it, I can never go back. But I could be great friends with them, love and care about them and fuck them and be. And it's great because I'm very close with them. Right.

So it's not like I'm having a one night stand with somebody. And it's like a great booty call to have because I'm never going to refall for that person. I just never happen for me. Is she that way with you? I mean, or has it been confusing for her because I don't know how everyone else is. That's just the way that I am. Like how is her with her feelings for you? She has communicated to me that she feels fairly clear that we're not getting back together.

Yeah. And that she's moved through that. I mean, there was a time period when we weren't together that she thought there was a possibility that we were going to reconnect. But she's moved into a space where she feels very clear that that's not going to happen. Right. But I think, you know, similarly to you, feels comfortable to be around and we have a lot of love and care between each other. Of course, yeah. That it's, that is, you know, an easy connection. But she's, she's actively out there calling in her relationship right now. So she's interested if there's any wonderful men that would like to date her. Right. Well, yeah, because listen, for the unicorn, because at this point, like right now, she's a little bit of a unicorn in the situation. I remember the first time I talked to one unicorn who brought up, and it doesn't sound like you, I mean, you guys really know how to treat a unicorn, but like sometimes what, like, you know, the unicorn is like the third, a little bit of the third wheel, right? Even though it doesn't matter how nice you guys are to her and how much you include her at the end of the day. She doesn't have that connection, but you guys do, right? Like so she does want that for herself.

Correct? And that's what she's looking for. Yeah, that's right. Right. And do you know if that, like, I mean, and obviously you guys are open to that. And let me ask you this. If she found a guy tomorrow and that guy didn't want her like fucking her ex-boyfriend and his new girlfriend or whatever like, do you think you guys would go out and look for another girl or is it just like this specific situation because it happened very organically that you just stick with it? And you wouldn't maybe go there with anybody else or what would you see in your future? this is a very specific situation that seems to fit a lot of the the healing work that all of us need have been have been needing yes but tony and i have expressed a shared desire to continue to have fun experiences with others and also to continue to maintain our primary focus with one another

so so that freedom part of you like that part of you that was always free and open and wanted would continue, but maybe you have a little bit more boundaries and you realize maybe you don't want to be polyamorous, right? But you're open to be, have fun and everything, especially maybe with Tony, because you guys are so open and you communicate so well,

that's the best partner to do things like that with. Because as long as you have that open line of communication, no matter what happens, you'll make it through, right? Because you could just like talk it out. And that's very, and honestly, that's what winds up bringing non-monogamous couples

like closer to each other than vanilla couples. And I always make jokes. And I say like vanilla couples don't have to go fuck other people, but maybe get a hobby that you talk about ad nauseum with each other because the talking and the communicating about their hookups and what happened and even their negative feelings is what winds up creating an intimacy between these couples that wind up playing with other people that they didn't have before because

they're just talking more than ever, you know? Yeah, it demands a high quality level of communication skills for sure. Yeah, and it's not the annoying stuff that happens sometimes in polyamory. It's just like, you know, it's but it's just the talking about everything. Like I said, you don't even have to, it doesn't have to be negative talking. it's positive talking about what happened. It's looking for people. It's talking about the experience.

It's reconnecting and everything. It does add to it. And as long as you're the couple that can talk to each other and be very open and you guys obviously are, you can make it through anything. Because I don't care how professional of an open-minded person you are. Sometimes, like, feelings will come up and you might feel jealous or a certain way you just don't know, right? Like Tony could feel that way one day. But as long as you could talk it out with each other, like it's not going to break you apart, you know? That's the difference.

Yeah, it, like you said it very astutely. It does bring people together if they allow that process to happen amongst each other. You get to find out about the person's wants, needs, desires, their values, what turns them on, what excites them, what their fears are. Yeah, I had a guy recently and I was like, wow, I wish more guy, I bet you other guys have felt this, but they never put it into words where he said, you know, he wound up being in a situation where he felt very vulnerable and not okay with what was going on. and he actually copped to it. And he said he never felt so vulnerable with his feelings ever in his life before. When he did that with his wife and how she cared for him, he never felt as close to her.

He felt so cared for in a way that he never felt before as a man, right? Because most men don't put those kinds of feelings out there, right? Like they're the man. Like they're not put, you know, but it forces even men to put their vulnerabilities out there. And it does wind up for them feeling closer to their partners because of that, right? But, you know, it's the good communication is key. And obviously you guys have that.

And that's why this has been a healing and hot experience at the same time for a lot of them. Yeah. And Francesca has expressed a desire to have two men and we're kind of poking around and seeing what, you know, might be possible. And that'll give me an opportunity to go through the experience that you just described. Yeah. You don't know. My feelings are going to come up around insecurity or, you know, all the things. it'll give me a chance to share vulnerability about some of my fears and have Francesca care for me

and hold that space for me in that way and create more connection and intimacy as a result. Yeah, I love that. Francesca, why don't you give a shout out to like your only fans and stuff that you have on the side? I mean, this wasn't about any of that kind of stuff. I mean, you could come back on another time and talk about that side of your life if you want. She actually would do when she was doing her live sex, you know, stuff on chatterbate, she would actually tell the story about being cutqueened and use that as fodder for masturbating. Yeah.

My whole audience knows all about this story. Oh, my God. Because I have to tell them to listen to the episode. I will. I will. I'm going to share it with all of them and they're going to love to hear this because I've been sharing with them about all of my fantasies and the experiences that I've been having. And so they've been kind of along for the ride.

Oh, that's fun. That's probably super hot. You have to, so give a shout out so that people could like come on and, you know, they could like get you to talk about it. I think that's like it makes this episode super fun because they could go in and see you talking about it on Chatterbate. Give a shout out to all your stuff. And I'll put a link in the description, but give a shout out.

Yeah, well, it's Frankie Rivers.com. That's where they can find all of my links to all of my things that I do on the internet. Spell Frankie. Yeah, it's F-R-A-N-K-I-E. Okay, okay, that's what I thought, yeah. R-I-V-E-R-S, FrankieR-R-S-Frankey Rivers.com. Oh, okay, cool. They can get to my only fans, they can get to my chatterbate live shows,

and see some of the sex videos that we've been posting on there and the things that I like to share as an exhibitionist that I am. And Tony's on there too now, right? You said Tony started doing stuff with you, so people could see you over there as well. Okay, well, you guys have to send me hot picks for my Patreon. I don't know if I could get picks off your website, but like, you know, for Patreon, I always say rated R. Like, you could send me hot, like, lingerie shots or bikini shows or something, but nothing like too revealing.

And then you'll get access to my Discord to go in there and you could do whatever you want there. And for you, especially, Francesca, there's like a content creator channel in there and you could put your links in your bio. Oh, how fun. You could put your links in your bio and then post like teasers and stuff and get people to check you out on Chatterbade or OnlyFans. Oh, thanks. Free to do that. That link will be in my calendar. my calendar will send you like a thank you for calling in email you know and the the link to discord

will be there definitely go sign up so you guys could talk to people and post whatever you want when your episode airs and I'll email you when your episode goes up on my Patreon and give you guys free access to that too so you could see comments and stuff but I love your whole story that's so exciting thank you I can't wait for your next chapter yeah love what you've been putting together enjoyed a lot of your episodes with all your interviews and it's really wonderful to connect to you Kathy, thanks so much for taking the time. No, thanks so much for calling in. I love this whole story.

It was super interesting. Maybe I'll have to talk to your ex separately. Get the whole story from her. Yeah, I'll check in with her and see if she's interested in checking in. Yeah, you never know. I know she was going to be on this. And I was like, oh, four people on a call with me interrupting a lot is too much. But like, you know, maybe the story from her separately would be good.

But, you know, your story was great. Thanks, thanks, thanks you guys. Thanks, thanks so much for calling in. And get me the picture sooner than later, okay? We'll do. Okay, awesome. Bye, you guys. Ciao. Bye.

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