Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1505 - James Turned his Wife Into a Hotwife and Now He’s Her Cuck

Episode Date: July 1, 2026

James turned his wife into a hotwife and now he's become her cuck, and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how and why he decided to reveal all his fantasies to his wife and how she reacted, his wife's first hook-up with a guy and how and why she didn't tell him at first and how he felt about it, her hook-up with her ex at their house and the rule she broke that time, their first MMF threesome and what happened, how his free pass to hook up with guys is set up, his first hook-up with a guy on a business trip and what went down, how and why he realized he was bisexual, how and why he does most of the searching for guys for his wife, the "sleeves" he enjoys using and why he and his wife both love them, why they started looking for couples to hook up with and why their first couple experience wasn't that great, his trip to the glory hole and exactly what went down, his first bottoming experience and how Veronica watched, how and why he enjoys chastity cages and how he uses them so they don't hurt, his favorite cuck experience so far with his wife plus a whole lot more. You can find his wife Veronica and his stuff here: ⁠https://linktr.ee/Callmeveronica GET A COPY OF THE STRICTLY ANONYMOUS BOOK! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY HERE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  or Pre-order audiobook version ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   To see HOT pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show." Want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. All voices are changed.   Sponsors:  ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beduc.at/pd2626-anonymous⁠ Click here to take the quiz and  get your personalized SUMMER roadmap to sexual happiness ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://Rythm.Health/STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠for 15% OFF your first month  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://LoadBoost.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ - To get 10% off LOAD BOOST by VB Health, use code: STRICTLY   ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Buy 2 months of Bluechew GOLD and get the third month FREE! Use code: STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Follow me! Instagram  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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SDC.com. Like I said, you get a free trial if you use my code 37712 or just go to the description and click on the link that's 37712 or just go to the description and click on the link. Okay, I have a really fun one today. Today I have on James. James Vaughn. Remember Veronica Vaughn? Oh my God, she was on recently. She was like every guy's dream. She was a hot wife who loved to like cuck her husband. They got into cucking way later. Her episode was 1475. Veronica's a hot wife who loves cooking her husband. Well, her husband's on this call and we get the whole story from his perspective. And it's so super interesting because, you know, her guy is a guy that really decided to put his fantasies on the table and open up about things that he was into. And he really hit the jackpot because of it.

I mean, because, listen, he happened to marry like the perfect woman. Okay. Because Veronica, I mean, if you see her, she's, you could see her on my patron. You can see her in her ex. She's like hot as shit. And she's really like down and into so much, including seeing him with guys. It turns out that he is a guy that considers himself bisexual now. He had a, one quick experience with a guy, but he had his real first experience with a guy with her. She's totally into it. He talks about how they got started, you know, sort of playing together. It was a lot of pegging and role play for a very long time. And he talks about how eventually over many of like hopping to the hot wife fantasy and him being with a guy and just talking about

all the stuff to, you know, they eventually started doing all the stuff. He talks about her first experience with another guy because they're very into hotwifing. And then, you know, when he got involved in their first male, male, female threesome. And then he talks about how they, you know, how things progressed with hotwifing. And then they wound up sort of trying couples, but they're not really down for couples. He's very into guys. He talks about his first like full bottoming experience and how that was, as well as his own experience at a glory hole and what went down with that guy and how that was like really great and he still sees that guy to this day. He talks about the hottest hot wife experience with Veronica, which really included him being like caged and cucked. I mean, he's definitely

got a little cuck in him, okay? And he like morphed into that over time and he talks about that. He's into being humiliated. He's into wearing chastity. He's into, you know, being submissive. And that, like I said, came over time. He talks about their whole journey. They've been doing this for many, many years. They eventually started an only fan. He has one too. I didn't even realize. His is free.

He gives a shout out to that and talks about what they offer over there. Like I said, his wife is like super hot. You would love her. If you haven't listened to her episode, listen to it. It's 1475. But his episode is great too. I'll put their links in the description. But anyway, I'm going to get right to it and be right back on with James.

This is the strictly anonymous podcast. Strictly anonymous podcast. Hi, James. Welcome to the strictly... James, is it James? James Vaughn? I've only asked you your fake name 80,000 time. The truth is I don't fucking give a fuck about names. I've never been good with names my whole life, okay? But I remember everything else and I'm going to get all your details that are much more important than your name. But you know, who you are, and I need to tell people before I tell the story, is that you are Veronica. Veronica Vaughn's husband, okay? Her episode just aired 1475. Veronica is a hot wife who loves cucking her husband. You're a little bit of a a cuck, no? Yeah, when you put it that way, 100%. Sorry. Well, listen, let me tell you, you hit the jackpot with your girl. Okay, if anyone hasn't listened to Veronica's episode yet, if you like a girl that's a little

bossy and likes to fucking dom guys, Veronica is the girl. And she's super hot. She's like, oh, on a scale of one to ten, she's a 12, okay? I have pictures of her on my patron. She also has a Twitter. Like, people can see her. Okay, she's a hot bitch. And she likes to dom guys.

And the truth is, like, so many guys love dominant girls, but a lot of times most women roll, like, submissive. You know what I mean? But you hit the jackpot with your girl. Yes, I'm very lucky. And it's wild to even hear your voice on the phone because we've been listening to your podcast for so long. Oh, that's so funny. I love that. Well, listen, I'm so glad that you finally called in.

I can't believe you hadn't before. I don't remember, listen, I talked to two people a day. I'm taping so many people all the time. So I don't remember all the details of Veronica story. I do remember a little bit of the beginning, the first guy she hooked up with. there was a little rule broken, right? We're going to talk about that. I'm going to get the whole story from your point of view, okay?

Okay. And like the cucking came a little bit down the line, right? Like you didn't start out like, oh, I'm this cuck and I want my girl to do this, right? Right. No. So we've been married for 14 years. We've been together for 17. We've been doing the lifestyle stuff for about 10.

It's a long time. Yeah, but that, but the cucking stuff, that's just kind of how it's evolved over the years. Right. That's the end of the story. But let's go all the way back to the beginning. Okay. Yep. So, I mean, the beginning was basically, you know, normal stuff. I mean, we're freaky. We had sex a lot. You know, we were young and in school. And, I mean, I met her when she was 20 years old. And we moved in together after six months of dating. And so, you know, that was a whole lot of sex. And playing around. And we would go to sex stores all the time and just kind of walk around and do those things. And, you know, I do remember one. time she found like my stash of porn and dildos and toys and all that kind of stuff in the closet. And then that caused a lot of conversations. And then, you know, next thing you know, we're into pegging and then we go down the whole road. So we've been, we've been doing a lot of the freaky stuff for a long time. And it's just kind of gradually, you know, evolved as we've done it.

Yeah. And it definitely evolved into a hot wiping thing for sure, right? Yeah. So, I mean, that that was for sure the first thing that kind of happened. than just, you know, stuff with me and her and trying to explore all the boundaries we have together. Then the next thing was like, oh, I'd like to see you with somebody else. And we talked about it, Kathy, for years and years and years. And so it's funny, you see all the guys online, like, how do I get my wife into this? Or how do I talk into it? Or how do I, the big how-to thing, right?

And it's not a quick process. And it's probably not for people that haven't been together for a long time. Well, why don't you speak to that a little bit? Because I love those kinds. I feel like a lot of guys could use that advice. Would you have something that you would say to guys? I mean, besides playing the long game? Because that typically works.

Yeah. I mean, the long game's part of it. But honestly, it's just being open and honest with your communication and telling her all of the embarrassing sexual thoughts that you have that you were too scared to tell her. Right. And that's really the key to it is that, you know, we've had a lot of discussions and stuff that I've been interested in. And that's embarrassing, right?

especially the way I grew up and all that, like I consider myself bisexual now. And so, you know, just even bringing that kind of stuff up, if you can have all the difficult sexual conversations, then when you're together with finances or all these other problems, kids, that stuff's easy. Yeah, totally. And, you know, I was just talking to a therapist for my sexual health Saturdays episode about how, you know, those kinds of conversations are the hardest ones and like why. And it's probably because, like you said, it's embarrassing. It's like the shame that you would feel if your partner sort of looked at you funny. when you revealed what you're really into, you know. But that's a big part of the whole reason why most people are keeping their fantasies hidden.

That's 100%. It's all embarrassment. I mean, even now, like we're not pros at this, but I'd consider us, you know, semi-advanced at this point, I guess. And even now, it's still embarrassing to bring up things sometimes that like, hey, I want to try this. And, you know, is this a little too on the on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the gay spectrum. You know what I mean? So it's just, it's having those conversations. And then when you can do that, then obviously, and she spoke about this on her episode

and having those conversations, not while you're having sex. Like if you can actually talk about it, I want to see you with somebody else in a non-sexual charged environment, then you can, you know, really figure that out too. Yeah. Well, what do you think gave you the balls to like, because I'm assuming you're the one that put your shit out there first, right? 100%. 100%.

So I'm the one that's kind of always been pushing this. I was always extremely sexual. I mean, even from a young age and then when we're together. And so all of the lifestyle stuff has kind of started with me. But then, of course, the fear is that you're just convincing her to do it. And I never wanted that to be the case either, right? Like, it's only fun if she's into it. And as soon as she's not into something, then there goes all the, you know, sexual intensity of it, I guess, for me at least.

So as long as she's into it or even better, or if it's her idea, then now I'm in a thousand percent. Right. So it's kind of, you know, it was going through that process, but I was definitely the one kind of pushing it from the start. Well, was it because like you got kind of caught with your stuff, like your dildos and stuff that, like you were kind of forced into admitting some of that stuff in the beginning? Maybe.

I mean, that all came out really early, like within the first, you know, three months of dating, I'd guess. And so. But with that, did it, did the conversation? about you being with guys come into play in that same conversation or no? Probably not initially, I don't think so. I mean, but now after we get into pegging for a long time, then yes, that quickly becomes like she thinks it's super hot.

You heard her podcast like she thinks it's so hot to see me with another guy. And so it kind of just evolved from there. And then that took years and years and years of talking before I made that jump. And so that's kind of been the common denominator is that you have to, you know, say what you're into, go through the embarrassment part, talk about it. And then over time, you know, at some point, then you kind of figure out like, hey, it's, you know, time to take the plunge. Now, remind me, because I don't remember if I asked her, like, how and when did you realize that you were into being with a guy? Had you been with a guy before her or no?

Okay. So that's kind of a longer journey, I guess. But no, not really. In college, I had a guy come over and give me a blowjob. And that was back when, like adult friend finder was a big thing like long before SDC and all that and I remember he came over to our apartment and I've been dealing like and even still maybe a little bit to this day dealing with shame and all that kind of stuff so this was the first time so he comes over I'm watching straight porn but gives me a blowjob and I remember I come super fast and you know he just you know gives me a BJ and leaves and you know that's all it was but I just remember like intense shame and all this kind of stuff. I remember showering. It felt like I couldn't get it off me. And so then, yeah, so then nothing happened with a guy for a long, long time other than just

role playing with Veronica and talking about it. And then eventually we hit the point to where, I think she mentioned it, to where we're having a threesome with one of our friends that we actually from college that we bumped into on one of the swinger apps. And that is wild that you ran into somebody you know, but that actually fast forwarded the whole conversation. And that becomes like our first, like, hot wife situation. This is, you know, this is the first time that I'm going to actually be there and be involved. Her first couple times were with her ex and I wasn't there. Okay. Now, listen, we all know that the best sex is when you're not in a hurry and you get to savor every moment. And listen, isn't summer the best time to kind of like slow down and

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to a slower, more pleasurable sex life. Yeah, let's talk about that. And then we'll get to the second experience because that was a little bit where she kind of like messed up a little bit. And I like those kinds of bumps in the road because, you know, you guys worked through it, right? And I think that that's always important for people to hear how you did that and what went down. So why don't you would tell that story from your perspective? Yeah. So basically for, I mean, As you heard for years, I'm just, you know, begging her, hey, this would be so hot, or I want to see you with somebody else. And then she did bring up to me like, hey, I could probably make this work with my ex. And at the time, that was probably the only person I was kind of insecure about because that was the most recent serious relationship.

And I knew they had a, you know, pretty decent relationship and all that kind of stuff or I thought. And so that was the one person I was insecure about, but also from her perspective, that was the one person that she was probably most comfortable with. Right. And so, you know, it ended up, you know, happening. And, you know, she fucked him outside and, you know, told, you know, didn't cop to it for a month. Right. But when you say it wound up happening, it's because you kind of like gave her a free pass.

But it wasn't like, it wasn't like, oh, do it when I'm not there, right? No, well, 100% she had a free pass. I mean, it was kind of, it was kind of like, hey, go for it anytime. I never really thought it would happen because, I mean, we talked about it for years, Kathy, right? So like it kind of came completely out of the blue. I was out of town. She got horny. He was hitting her up about something separate.

And then next thing you know, you know, he's over there and she basically seduces him. And the story, which I ended up being told, you know, later turns me on so much. It's so hot. Like, I mean, I absolutely loved it. I still love that story. I know. The hot part about it is that it wasn't filmed like most of our stuff are. So she even sometimes changes the details right now.

And it's hot because I don't actually know. So she'll make it hotter or whatever. And it's even it's even a better story nowadays. Yeah, but the point, and that's where you get the first sort of sign that you might be a little bit of a cuck, right? Because really what she did wrong in that situation was she didn't tell you right away, right? Like that's where she went wrong. It wasn't like that she fucked him. It was that she didn't tell you, right?

Yeah, but honestly, Kathy, it sounds way worse than it is. Like, it never became like a big thing. Obviously. You know, we talked about it immediately. And that's like, it, it wasn't fair to just say this is wrong on her part when I've been pushing her to do it and do it for multiple years. Yeah. Especially like if we're having sex and we talk about it, say 75% of the time. And then she actually makes the jump. It's not right to say, well, you know, it's kind of unfair for me to place those rules and say, well, this is the one person you're not supposed to do it with. And then that made it even hotter because that's, you know, she's kind of breaking the rules. And, you know, there's been a few things like that to where she's kind of broken the, what they're not rules, but it's just kind of like what we've talked about. And anytime she kind of crosses the line and does something sluttier than what we originally mentioned, that really gets me going.

Oh, my God, that's so fucking funny. She really is the perfect girl for you. Right. It's interesting. It really sounds like she was the one that had more of an issue with it, right? Like she felt a little weird about what she did, even though there was nothing wrong with it, like you said. I mean, you didn't even feel bad about it, right? It was more than her.

That's why, I mean, obviously. 100%. She just felt really bad about it just because the way it went down and she didn't tell me. Right. I was scared to tell me. And then that's your first time. And so, Kathy, when you do it the first time, there's all these nerves and excitement. And then you're always worried that your partner is just going to like freak out and lose their shit.

And, you know, all of a sudden, you know, you whore. I can't believe you would do this. It just wasn't that way. So it worked out well for us. And then, you know, she had a couple more with him on camera. Yeah. And that happened like on purpose that you were there and you would watch on camera. Is that what went down and how it was set up?

Yeah. So I think the first time on camera, I was at home. And basically she says like, hey, he could, like my ex could come over. You know, she explained the whole situation. trying to, trying to tell him what our deal was and he just never really understood or didn't know. And so I was like, okay, cool. I'll, you know, leave the house and take the kids and, and that's what I did. And, you know, I think I took the kids to work and put them on the computer, you know, in the other room. And then I'm watching on camera what's happening, but can't really do

anything about it. And then, of course, again, like, you know, the rule is like, hey, you know, you can, you can, you can do all these positions. You can do whatever you want. Like, he's just, you know, he's not supposed to come in you. And of course, again, with the lines, towards the end of it, she's riding on top of him, staring right in our camera. And he asks, like, do I need to pull out? And she looks right at the camera in him and says, no. And I just see him come inside of her. And it was absolutely the hottest thing I've ever seen in my entire life. Oh, my God. Veronica could be like a porn star. She's writing her own script, right? Like, she's got the whole scene down perfectly. Yeah, well, I mean, but the porn part was, I mean, we didn't do that until like the last six, seven months.

No, but I'm just saying she looked right at the camera. Like she was the future. Like, you knew what she was meant to do. Like she knew exactly how to play that scene for you. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, she knows how to play it up for me for sure. So it's been a lot of that.

And then now you can see why I was the one that was like, hey, if we put this stuff on Onlyfants, I think we'll make a killing. Yeah, totally. Yeah. We'll get to that because that comes up in your story. Okay, so now she's playing with that guy and then let's get to the second guy because this becomes like your first time with a guy in front of her. And at this point, you know she's dying to see you with a guy, right? Yeah, for sure.

So the first time was a super hot time to where I was leaving work and on the way home. And she asked, you know, could he come over? I think she said, like, are you really ready for this? And I was like, hell yeah, I'm ready for it. Like, go for it. And that, you know, the cameras are in the house and all that. And so as I'm driving on the way home, I think I was probably doing 120 miles an hour. She opens the door and she's in, like, I think either lingerie or a robe or something like that.

And he like immediately pounces on her. And then they start to, you know, having sex and doing their thing. And I can see it on the camera in the bedroom as I'm driving home, like trying not direct. The hot part was like when I got to the door, like she was so loud, I could hear. her from the front door outside. And we were in like a little condo at the time. And so like you could hear what was going on. So that was kind of like a, you know, fantasy come true.

It was like I come around the corner and, you know, her legs are over her head. And he's fucking the shit out of her. And I kind of like, they were so into it. I jumped scared them. Right. I came in the room and didn't know what to say. Like, hi. Like, you know, hey, how's it going?

And they, and that was the first time that I had, you know, watched it happen right in front of me. And so again, she was kind of. freaking out that like maybe I'm going to freak out and I was like no you know keep going this is incredibly hot all this kind of stuff and then you know fast forward towards the end again you know the

our friend is is fucking her from behind and she's sucking my dick and then he comes inside of her and then she immediately as we've talked about you know in our role playing immediately like throws me on the bed and then like climbs on top of my face and so that was kind of

you know another one of the whole fantasy things is like, you know, going down on her when another guy's coming her and all that kind of stuff. So that was the first time with that guy. That was really all that happened in that situation. But of course, that kind of escalates. And then the next time we have a threesome was the story she told to where, you know, she comes on him. And then she, you know, gets off of him and grabs my head and forces me on top of his dick. And I start sucking it and all those things.

So it's, yeah. So it's kind of like you can see how it's just kind of progressing with every little, you know, situation or new person and kind of going from there. And now when she did that, that's the first time you're going to suck a dick, right? Because you were with that one guy, but you didn't do anything to him, right? Yeah, no, didn't do anything to him. I've always wanted to or tried or whatever. And, you know, just like what she said is the first time we did it, I was like, oh, my God,

like that was great. So I didn't even do it very long. That was just kind of part of it. And then that just kind of opened the door to, you know, hey, this is, you know, something that I'm definitely into. You know, so it kind of progress. And there's been times where I've hooked up with a guy one-on-one. There's been times that.

Oh, yeah. Well, you know, you've got kind of a little bit of a side guy, right, at this point? Yeah, but even before then, I was on a business trip out of town. And, you know, for whatever reason, the urge just hit. And it's really funny with me, it's like it goes in order. Like, if I could see her or have a threesome with another guy and her, like, that's kind of the top of my favorite list. And then I'd love to just have sex with her.

But if, like, she's not available or she's out of town or I'm out of town, then it always kind of swings to like, oh, I'm, you know, horny for guys now. Oh, interesting. That's so funny. Yeah. I don't know what that's about other than just. Preference. That's your preference.

Yeah. Extremely sexual. But it kind of goes down that path. And so I'm out of town and, you know, hornying all of a sudden I get on Grindr and find a guy to hook up with and film it for her. And that's the first time, you know, I bought them for. a guy and sucked his dick and all these things and she's watching it. So it's kind of the reverse of what happened on my end. So it's kind of we've done both to each other, I guess. So she's watched

me with guys in like the cut kind of fashion or just on video. And then I've done the same with her. We've had, you know, a threesome where like we share a guy in between the two of us, you know, all that kind of stuff. I was writing it out like all the things we've done. I was like, damn, there's a lot more dicks than I realized. Oh my God. Yeah, because I didn't know that you did the guy on your trip. And like, how does it work with you guys as far as your rules and stuff?

Because it sounds like it's pretty open. I mean, you know, here you are on a trip and she's not around. So you're going to fuck him. But she's on the call. So it has to be set up somehow, right? Like,

what's the, like, how do you, like, what are the rules with solo playing and stuff like that? Um, what's the deal? Yeah.

So we try to give each other heads up. Like she talked about like, you know, there's veto power. Like if I'm super. wanting to do something and she's not into it. And she just says, you know, no, not today. And that's okay. Right. But usually she's into it. And so I actually gave her a short notice. Like it might have been, I don't know, 20 minutes. And like, hey, I'm really looking to do this.

And, you know, I think I found somebody that I can. And she said, go for it, you know. And so basically we just video it. You know, so we don't do like the live FaceTime. So we video it so we can watch it later. Right. It's usually me. Like I watch all the videos with her and guys. you know, as my porn, I don't really watch porn. And then she watches all the videos with me and guys as her porn. So it's, it's funny. We have our own, like, personal porn collection that's, you know, not even out there on The Only Fans World. Yeah, it's so funny. And so, like, that was your first experience, bottoming, right? Like, were you into it? Are you a switch? Are you a bottom now? Do you get there or something? Yeah. I consider myself a bottom. I was super into it. I mean, it wasn't great, I think, just because it's, you know, that's something you've got to kind of learn how to do and be prepared for it, all that. And I tried again in like a threesome situation with me and Veronica. And again, a lot of the guys that say thereby, it's really more about like she's super hot. And I'll do whatever I need to do with you to try to get to her. Oh, really?

Yeah. So I kind of have to filter through that a little bit because she is super hot, right? And I get it. But, you know, if we're looking for that situation, then it's really somebody that would be into both of us. And if not, that's cool. There's other times that we want a guy just for her. But don't try to do like the, you know, slide over here to get over here type situation. Yeah.

And now, when you're, are you on the apps as a couple looking for buy guys and you say your bye, right? That's the big thing is we actually are open about it. And we say, like, here's what we're into. And I'm by. And if you're not cool with it, that's no problem. And because, you know, in the swingers world and all that, a lot of people get weirded out by that. What's interesting is I find a ton of guys. guys that list themselves as straight and immediately send us a message.

Like, hey, I would totally be down for all this. And so there's a lot of people out there that are saying one thing and doing the other. Like, I've listened to your podcasts about all the guys that, you know, say they're straight, but only when they're horny and there's a dick available and then they're not. But they are straight. And you could put me in that category. But at the same time, like if you bought them for guys and suck a bunch of dicks, I feel like you're kind of bi to some degree.

So, and you don't have to put a label on it. And like, I'm not telling anybody. I'm not like out there about it. But, you know, I consider myself by just because I've done certain things. Yeah, that's cool. And listen, like you said, you don't have to label it. But the truth is, even in the swinger world where unfortunately, and it's beyond to me, why, there still is a stigma about it.

yet there's so many guys even in that world that are down for it. But nobody is like raising their hand and saying first, like, this is what I fucking want to do. And let's all just be open about it. You know what I mean? You're all still lying about it. Like they are. You know what I mean? You're not.

Yeah. But a lot of people are, yeah. If I've learned anything, there's a whole lot of people that are swingers or out there in alternative lifestyles. Then you realize. And then there's a whole lot of guys that are into a lot of stuff that they claim they would never be into. Yeah, of course.

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And so it's kind of become to where, you know, I do the initial conversations and betting. And then from there, you know, we go out and meet for a drink. If it's somebody for her, like she'll never meet and fuck on the first time. So she likes to be comfortable with them and all that kind of stuff. So we just recently went out and met a potential guy, super hot, younger black guy. Like that would be a first thing. And so we went and met him for a drink. And we're hoping to set up something in the future.

So that's kind of the process we go. And hopefully there's no red flags along the way. Or we kind of lay everything out. It's really fun to go out and, you know, have a beer with somebody and talk openly about all your lifestyle stuff. And you just kind of get all that awkward stuff out of the way first. before you actually hook up. Yeah. Do you have a preference? Like, is there a certain kind of guy you like to see her with? Are you like a typical cock where you like the guy that'd be more like bigger than you, quote unquote? No, that's what's weird. It's I probably don't. I would rather probably be my size

or look like me or be similar to me. She likes guys that are bigger than me. And because she's tall. So she once got in, you know, she's not much shorter than me. And so she likes to feel small. So there's guys that are big and, you know, do that kind of stuff. Um, I am the typical guy. I say big. I say, Like I say, I mean dick size. Well, so yes, I obviously would like that as most guys do. Yeah, that's a thing, right? She actually doesn't really care. It really just depends on what her mood is, you know.

So the size is definitely a thing sometimes. And so when she's in the mood for it, either there's a guy for her or we've used the sleeves, like we've gotten really into those in the last couple years. So it makes me bigger. And, you know, she reacts the same way she does with a guy with a bigger dick. And so it's really more of a mood thing. Other times she's into just me. So, you know, it works a lot of ways. Tell me a little bit about the sleeves.

Do they really work? Yeah, they're awesome, Kathy. So we had a few. I think our first one was just sent like for free in one of those like Adam and Eve, like, hey, you get this extra type package. Yeah. And it was fun to use and she liked it. But it would slip off and it was just, I mean, I think it was like $15.

It was cheap. And then somehow we got connected with this. this RX sleeve company. And it is more expensive. But I mean, it's, it's awesome. It feels like the real thing. Like, I can still feel it. Like, I can still come in it while I'm fucking her.

Like, it's, and it makes me feel like I have the giant dick, right? So her body is reacting the exact way that I saw it in front of me with a guy with an 8-inch dick. So, you know, it's pretty great. I love it. Wow. And they have them in all different sizes and stuff? Yeah. There's all different sizes.

colors and textures. I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of companies out there that do it. This one just kind of happened upon us. And, you know, next thing we know, we loved it. So we're like, yeah, we'll definitely partner with this company. I'm sure similar to what, you know, you've done with your podcast. Of course. Yeah, we've tried the toys that you put on here. I mean, we've, we've been listening for so long. We try a lot of those things. But this, this RX sleeve is the real deal. I love it because I'm always like, why don't more guys, like, use like, these toys that are available? Because I know as a woman, I love to try all different toys. I They're embarrassed.

Is that what it is? Yeah, I think they're embarrassed to bring it up or they say, I'd like to see you with a bigger dick or, you know, or the wife is embarrassed to be honest and say, like, yes, I would like this. And it causes those difficult conversations. So people are, you know, they just get really embarrassed around their significant other when it comes to what people would say taboo or freaky sex stuff. Yeah, let me ask you this last question on that. And then I want to get to more stuff because I know that you, you know, you guys have gotten into chastity and all kinds of things. as well, we're going to get to the point where you're really being cooked by her. But

question with this sleeve, is it like, can you still feel it? Like, are you still pleasure? Yeah, I can. Yeah, because one, I can feel it. Okay. And then also, Kathy, like, it's her body just moves differently than it does with me, which of course then turns me on because I'm really into seeing her with bigger dicks, right? Right. So just looking down and seeing it, like feeling the weight of it on me. And then the way she reacts and talks. of course we get really into it. She's dirty talking and saying, you know, she needs a bigger dick to fuck her and all the things that she said on her podcast, which was super hot. She's saying all that.

Of course, I can come. So it's, you know, really with me, it's also mental too. She can say the right thing and it takes 10 seconds for me to come. So it really, but it works. I mean, that's, I've been able to come in multiple sleeves and this one by far is the best just because of the way her body moves on it. Yeah, I love that. And now remind me why you guys decided to. to like look for couples at some point.

Okay. I guess the honest thing from me doing the searching is the single guy's market is not as attractive or as good as the guys that are in couples. Oh, that's interesting. And so, yeah. So like if you're our age and you're single or whatever, like you're probably not as hot, no offense as the woman is smoking hot life.

Right. So the ones with hot wives are typically better looking and just typically fit better. They've got kids so then they understand. our situation with our kids and, you know, it's worked out, you know, a little better from that deal. But at the same time, like Veronica doesn't love sharing me with other women. And so, you know, we kind of, you know, have to make that work. And it's hard. I mean, it's hard enough to find a third person. But then if you're trying to add four, I mean, you know, it's hard to get everybody together and on the same page. Right. And you didn't have a good experience. You only hooked up

with one couple? Yeah, we've only done that so far. You know, I think that, could happen in the future. Even since your podcast, we talked about it. Like, hey, you know, that could be really hot. And I liked talking how, you know, I was doing all these things with this girl or hearing that from her. She didn't like it, but I didn't, you know, I remembered the situation and she's on top of me. And I'm stuck in the guy's dick. And it was super hot. So we've talked about it since then. So it just depends on the person. The big problem there, Kathy, was that it wasn't what was agreed upon. It was supposed to be about the guy. We're going to play with each other.

And if there's anything else on top of that, cool, well, immediately, because everybody had too much to drink, you know, she pounced on me and it went to town from there. So it just really threw her off from like a trust level of another woman. And so I think it would just depend to where she's talked about me and her best friend, then she has no problem with me and her best friend. So it just depends on her. I think it's more about her comfort level of the other female than anything else. Yeah, listen, and that would work the same way with a guy if some guy walks in and like crosses the boundaries and isn't cool with the husband and just pounces his wife. You know what I mean? Like that other third person has to respect the partner.

You know what I mean? That's a big thing. A hundred percent. I haven't even really thought of it that way until you just mentioned it. But yeah, I mean, if that's what happened, that would be a major problem. So you're right. Yeah. I always, the bulls, when they come on my show, the Bulls one, when I get the story for the Bulls perspective, like the best Bulls and the most successful ones are the ones that like the most important thing they always.

they always talk about first and foremost, you make friends with the guy. You know what I mean? Like, you be cool with the husband because, you know, and you learn from them and you got to be cool with them. And the same thing with the unicorn with a girl. I mean, you can't just like be pouncing on her husband without her permission or whatever. So, you know, eventually you do wind up going to like glory holes. Like, do you have like a free pass to play with guys from Veronica? Yeah. I mean, it's still the same thing to where like, hey, you know, I want to do this. I'm horny. Can I go? So it's not asking for permission, but it's just kind of giving a heads up. Yeah. And then, you know, nine times out of ten, she says, go for it. It hasn't been that many, honestly, but, you know, there's been, I think, one time she said no.

But, yeah, I mean, I guess it's a free pass if you look at it that way. Yeah. So tell me about that glory hole experience where you met your God. Wasn't she watching you at that time? Well, okay. Tell me what happened. Yeah, tell that story. Yeah, the glory hole thing just kind of started out as a win.

Like, I'd always heard about them. Yeah. and seen them on Reddit or seen them online or whatever. Well, then when I found there was one in our town, I was like, oh, my God. Like, you know, let's go check this out. So I remember I went the first time and I get all nervous and I'm talking to her while I'm in there and nothing happened. It just, you know, it just, it was more like exciting just to go and then I leave. Where the next time I go through, it was the story she told to where like, hey, at the time, like I was wearing lingerie.

Ray, because I got into that, kind of the same moment. All these things kind of flooded together. Like, hey, this is available. Let's try this. I think is what happened in the new city era, in the new town. And so, you know, I'm wearing lingerie and I'm in the glory hole. And this, you know, guy starts reaching through and touching me because the hole's big enough to where you can reach through and touch.

And then, you know, next thing, you know, he's rubbing all over me. I'm into it. And he's, then he's licking my ass. And I'm more into it. And I'm basically just texting back and forth with her. As this is going on, like, is this cool? This is what's happening. And she's super turned on about it.

And I think she says, like, just fuck him already or something. Veronica's out of control. Yeah. Well, and I mean, we had condoms and stuff. So like, obviously, going to glory hole is not the safest situation. So you try to be safe there. Yeah. And so, but we did.

And that was the first time that, you know, I bought him, I guess. And it was really good. Because all the other times, it just, I tried, but it hasn't been great. either they do it too hard or they're too big or I'm not ready. I don't know what it is. But I think with him eating my ass for so long, I just was more comfortable in it. And oh my God, it was great.

And so I'm texting her as it's happening. Like, I can't believe this. Like, this is incredible. You know, I come all over the big wall and the glory hole across the room. Like, it shot all over the place. Like, he came inside, like the condom and all that. Like, it was just super hot. And I guess my initial reaction was like, I've never had this before.

Like, I want to do this again. So I literally like been down through the thing at the same time he did. So like we saw each other. It's like, oh, like jump scare. But because usually you don't see anybody in those things. Yeah, that's what I was wondering. I was like, hey, I don't. This is like my first like legit time.

But I'd love to do this again. And he was like, yeah, that was amazing. And so next thing, you know, we like exchange numbers. did backgrounds and, you know, then I've hooked up with him, you know, since then. Wow. When it comes to guys, like, are you particular? Like, do you like a certain kind of guy? Like, what kind of guys are you in terms?

Yeah. Ideally, it's, I'm even more picky with guys than women. I wonder about that with guys. Because, you know, sometimes guys are like, fuck anyone. You know what I mean? I wonder if they're same way with guys. You're more picky with a guy. Yeah, 100%.

And it's probably like some sort of, like, I don't like body hair. I like guys with like shaped chests and all this. So like the less body here, the more into it I am. I like them to be, you know, again, kind of around my size and all that kind of stuff. But at the same time, like as I'm getting more and more into like the humiliation stuff and the sissy stuff and all that, like it's kind of also progressing as we go too. So that's definitely the most new. I mean, I'm definitely not a pro when it comes to doing stuff with guys. But, you know, it's kind of progressing from there.

But that's where it started. And this guy, though, you see him now. Yeah, I mean, he's out of town a lot with his work, so it doesn't happen very often. But when I do, yeah, I mean, he's come over to the house. That's basically the exact same situation as the story with Veronica. She's watching on the camera. And that was the first time I really had real sex with a guy, like without a wall or a hole or anything. It was just, you know, this is the first time for real.

And it was awesome. So I was on a high for a couple days for sure from that one. And then we're trying to, you know, set up something all together. You know, she still hasn't watched like I got to do, you know, where it's really good right in front of her. And so that's kind of on the list of things to do here soon. That guy, what's his story? Is he a gay man? Is he married?

Is he single? What's his girl? So, I mean, he says he's gay, but he's, you know, obviously into doing stuff with Veronica, or at least her being around. So I'd say he's more gay than by, but, you know, it's a fluid deal. And he's single and all that. The hardest part is he just travels all the time. So, you know, he'll be in Japan one week or out of the country or whatever. So it's just hard to track him down, especially with our kids and trying to figure that.

That's the hardest part, Kathy, is if we didn't, if we had a better babysitting situation or some family that was close by, like, then there would probably be a whole lot more activities. But we got to work around the kids a lot. Yeah, the fact is that you are working around your kids is a lot more than most people are doing when they have kids. You know what I'm saying? You guys are fucking having a lot. I'm living in the dream. I'm not complaining. All right. So you eventually get into like much more cuckleding and as you know small penis humiliation, chastity humiliation. Like how like, you know, what's the bridge? Like how does that come into being? Because I know at first like it was hard for her to like quote unquote humiliate you, right? Even though she's like a professional now. sounds like one yes she sounds like one for sure um yeah well and i guess the the biggest thing is it took so long to where we even like went down that road so then now like once we've been doing lifestyle stuff for for 10 years and we've been married for 14 like the humiliation stuff is awesome and hot because it's not that's not real life and so the biggest thing kathy is like

with me in my normal day-to-day life is i'm the most you know tightly a like alpha personality. And then in the bedroom, it's like a complete like 180 flip type deal. And so that's why I'm super into it. Like, and it's giving up control to her and all those things. So yeah, so it just kind of came and, you know, she's into it. And and I really pushed it, I guess. I don't know.

I think it's just always finding more extreme sexual stuff to do. It seems like we're always looking for new things or I am really in pushing it and see, see if this works. And, you know, next thing you know, yeah, we're into small penis humiliation. And we've done the chastity stuff. And the cuck holding stuff is still probably the favorite. And, but it just depends on the person and the situation, like the hot, I stuff is still good too or a true threesome. But, you know, the being locked in a chastity cage and watching her with a guy with a much bigger dick and she's coming all over him and all that. Like the video that we've got out there, like that is still one of like the hottest, experiences like I've ever had in my life. Yeah, I think she told that story maybe, but like,

tell me a cuckold story that was like super hot to you. Would it be the same one? I mean, you could tell that story too from your perspective. Yeah, I mean, that's a really good one. I mean, that's probably the hottest one between other than that is like, you know, the time that her ex came over. And I think she mentioned it to where I'm in, I'm in the house. And it was like, you know, late at night. So like, I'm not going to, the kids are asleep and I'm not going to go, you know, somewhere else. So I just go over into like, I'm in, like, the guest room basically. And, you know, he comes in and, you know, they start hooking up. And I'm literally watching, like, on the camera and I can, like, peek around the bedroom door. Like, it's like

the whole, like, fantasy you see, like, in porn, right? It's like you can watch through the door and see her fucking her ex, you know, in all these different positions. And, you know, his dick is bigger. So, like, that's one thing I like is that, you know, guys with bigger dicks can fuck her in, like different positions, right? So like prone bone or whatever, like I can't really pull that off very well. But then when you see a guy with a longer dick, like that's, you know, she likes to fuck in that position, which I love because we don't ever do that, right? Yeah, yeah. So it's like seeing things that either she doesn't do with me or she's like putting on a show and being extra slutty that she doesn't do with me or there's some sort of like rule or whatever. Like that's how it started with the X.

and it's just kind of progressed from there to now, you know, hey, we put this out there with that guy. You know, we're wanting, like, I told him, like, I'm getting more into the cuckold stuff and chastity and all that. Like, here's what we're thinking about doing. And, you know, to be locked and then watch her, you know, with a guy with a much bigger dick. And he's, you know, 10 years younger and he's fucking her in all these kind of crazy positions. And, you know, it's unreal to where you can't actually get hard and jerk off and do all

those things. So it's it's a wild experience. Yeah. And then how long did you stay in chastity? Like, I mean, what happens when it's done? You're there sitting on the side like in the cuck chair? No, I mean. Or were you in another room? No, I'm really involved. So she's like grabbing a hold of it. So she's like, so she's dirty talking me and grabbing it. And like he's like puts her hand on it and she's like grabbing my balls and stuff like as she's being like pounded from behind. So like it was pretty, it was in. tense. It wasn't like you're just going to sit over there and watch. It was like, you're going to be right here and I'm going to like get fucked on top of you type situation. Oh, so you're going to front row seats and still not, but be denied at the same time. Correct. Correct. Yeah, that's hot for a cock. Yeah, we've done that. We've done like where she's pegging me and I'm locked. All the

chassis stuff is, you know, super hard to be able to, you know, make it through that without being super hard and like, you know, coming the whole time. So, I'm not great at it though Kathy I'm not one of the guys that like like I don't last a month like I can barely last a day you know what I mean I'm too horny she's too horny and so we're not doing like the locked forever deal or any of that kind of stuff it's more just like I'm gonna

you know do this cuck holding stuff in front of you and you're not gonna be able to play with yourself while it's happening and what like when you're in Chastie because I'm not a guy I don't have a dick I don't know how it works right and you're like you know being you you're horny right because all this shit is happening happening in front of you. Do you get hard, but it just like stops because you can't? And then is it painful? Like, I mean, what's the experience feel like for a guy if you had to explain it who's

never been in chastity before? That's how it is for me. So basically like it's, it has to be small enough to where like there's no, like I'm a grower, not a shower. And so we tried a bunch of different cages to start when we got into it. And there can't be any room to where like you grow because then it hurts. Right. So it has to like, yeah. So smaller is actually better. Right. To where like you don't want any room to grow at all. And so then it doesn't hurt. So like you're horny as shit and you're watching these things happen. But like you can't jerk off or anything, right?

So it's just super intense like in your brain, you know, you knowing you can't basically come. Some guys can like in it like from either pegging or like holding a vibrator on it or something. But like you're just, you know, I'm watching my wife get fucked and I can't do anything about it. is super intense, you know, so it just, I mean, it feels a lot like your heart, I guess, but it just kind of like aches a little bit too, which makes it, you know, which makes it fun. I don't know. It's really hard to explain. Right, but it doesn't hurt because like you said, but the key is to get the one that's small enough.

Is there a specific brand? Because I have heard that, like, some cheap ones aren't really good. And there's one, I forget what the name of it is that a lot of people have said is like the best. Like, what is a good chastity key? I'm not a pro on it, Kathy, so I can't recommend. And I do say, like, you have to get, for a guy like me, that's a grower, like, you have to get, like, the strap or, like, the string that basically ties, like, you'll see guys wearing it, it, like, ties the ring to your body, which helps it stay as close as possible. Because when you get hard and that ring, like, goes away from your body, that's what's pulling on your balls and ends up hurting. And so, like, the pain stuff is not fun. So, like, that's one thing we're not super into.

She'd love to whip my ass with, like, like, whips and chains and stuff. but we haven't gone down that road yet. So any of the pain stuff, we haven't really done. What about, have you ever had a prostate orgasm for all this pegging and shit that you've been doing? Like hands-free or just like a... Well, no, prostate orgasm, I don't think has to be hands-free. It's just more of a thousand percent. Oh, you have.

Yeah, that's what started. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's what started this whole journey. So, like, within three months, I remember one time we were on vacation in the shower. And, like, I'm on the floor. We're both on the floor and the shower, and I'm riding on top of her. remember coming like ridiculously hard out of body experience and I mean it's yeah I've had a million of those that's kind of what started this whole thing yeah and is it was it hard for you to find your

prostate no no no I mean so it's it's not really hard I mean it's but did you find it like with a toy or with pegging like how like what would you remember oh I mean well so I started like I figured it out in high school so like even like long before I met my wife and doing all that stuff. I remember I bought like a dildo from like Spencer's Gifts. And like I remember sticking it in my ass like and it worked like in vibrating and all that. So I knew that like from an early age and then fingers and, you know, going from there. And then like I had done the, you know, girls that stuck their finger in my butt before. And I mean, so I knew all about that. And then, you know, once we started doing the pegging thing, like it was quickly, you know, easy to find it. And honestly, we did it a lot more.

We did it probably all the time back then, probably less than we do now. so now it's kind of turned into more doing the real thing but but yeah I mean it's it's unreal if you never tried it like I mean you're definitely missing out because I mean it's that's a whole like different style of orgasm yeah no that's what I always say I used to say that on my butter ad because listen I'm not a guy but I've had so many guys on who talk about it and talk about how fucking great it is that I'm like if I was a guy I'd be like you know going in there looking for it every day until I found it you know I mean Because to me, if like it's available for you to have this full body all over orgasm, that's like the best thing ever.

Like, why would you not try to have that if it's, you can? You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, so then you get the dildos and all that kind of stuff. So it really just depends on, you know, the vibe and what you're wanting that day. But I mean, it's definitely something that I still do, you know, pretty consistently. Right. Now tell me like your favorite hot wife experience or your favorite like threesome with a guy.

I don't know. Do you have one that stands out besides the one she brought up? Um, so honestly, probably one of my favorite. I mean, it's, it's all the reason, honestly all the early ones. So like, um, you know, the time that I mentioned where, um, you know, he came inside of her from behind and which we're spit roasting her and all that. And then she gets on my face. Um, there was another time with it with a, with a bisexual guy. And that was the first time that, you know, I received like a facial after he was fucking hurt. Um, which I really, um, which I really. loved like I'm kind of in to cum. Oh, interesting. You got like a cum kink. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So like any of those, and it's really any first, right? So the first time, you know, I fucked a guy, the first time I gave a blowjob, the first time a guy comes in her and she gets

on top of me. I mean, it's all those first are the most intense ones for sure. And then, you know, the first time in the glory hole, like the first time, you know, wearing lingerie and getting, you know, basically being like the total like sissy bottom deal like with a guy. Yeah. That was, you know, that's super hot. I mean, it's, it's all of those. It's, it's so many. It's, it's hard to, like, put them all in words.

Yeah, but it's interesting that you got to live them all out. Is there anything on your bucket list? Before we get into, like, what you guys put on your only fans and what goes down there and stuff and how you progressed into that, is there anything that's on your list of first that you haven't done yet that you're, like, dying to check off? Well, what's wild is we've never done the, like, club scene. We've never been to a Swingers Club. Okay.

move into a hotel take over or we've never done the meet and greets or that kind of stuff. I mean, I've said we probably should just so we can find some like-minded friends. I do think like she's kind of intimidated to go to one of those like clubs or whatever for the first time. So that's kind of on the list of something to do like a hotel or whatever it is, right. I've always kind of wanted a guy that's like there for both of us. That's kind of like a more long-term thing, not like a thruple because we don't do like the dating situations. Like, we don't get into feelings and all that.

Yeah. But basically somebody that's long term, that's into both of us. Right. Because right now, it's always kind of been either a guy for her or a guy for me. Right. And so that would kind of be ideal if you could find it, but it's, you know, it's really hard to find that meets everybody's preferences and everybody's into. You know, a couple thing, again, would be something interesting to explore more and at

at least have friends that are in similar, you know, situations. Like, we don't exactly talk about this with a lot of people, right? Right. And then, you know, the most recent one is everybody's favorite is, you know, wanting to see her with a black guy with a big dick and do all that full-long cuck-holding stuff. So when we put out like a poll is, you know, hey, what, like we're thinking of, you know, playing this month. What will we do next? And it's really funny to see like, here's all the votes, you know, is everybody wants to see her with a black guy. They want to see like a bisexual threesome. And those are definitely the two like most popular requests. because I guess people are surprised that she's so hot and into all this kind of stuff. So I definitely hit the jackpot.

You weren't kidding about that. Oh, yeah. And people could check her out. Like, how and why and when? Remind me, like, that you guys decided to start putting your, because you were taping long before you had an only fans. Yeah, for sure. Well, and for years, I kind of just, you know, bugged her about it. Like, hey, you could, you know, you could do an only fan and we'll make this or we'll do well or whatever.

And so I don't know what there wasn't really one specific thing. Yeah. Other than just like, hey, let's try. I guess the closest thing was we met her long-term bull, the guy from the cuck holding story with the chastity cage. And he had done it in the past. Because what we didn't realize is OnlyFans is not really just a porn job. Like, it's a marketing job. And you kind of have to know what you're doing and how to post and win and where and how to get it going.

And it's a whole lot of work. It's a lot more work than we ever realized for sure. Yeah. And so, but we just started and we had so much success and it was so much fun. And, you know, you just get so many compliments. I mean, and the biggest thing is like I've seen her confidence level just absolutely skyrocket since we started the lifestyle stuff 10 years ago. And then now, even with the only fan stuff.

I mean, so she's, she dresses hotter. She feels hotter. She feels better. I mean, all of it has been a great, like, positive thing, you know, not just. for our relationship, but like for her personally, which obviously makes me really excited because it always ends up going back to her, Kathy. Like if she's into it, I'm down. Like if she's, if she wants to make a porn with 10 guys, like, and it's her idea, like, hell yeah, I'm down. Like it's, it's all about really her. And then just I've seen this kind of change everything. And so now it's gotten, you know, better and better. And then the more popular you get. And then obviously you make you make pretty good money from it. So, you know, then we start enjoying it more. And it's, you know, then we start enjoying it more. And it's, it's, like there's times where I will watch her. Like, she'll do like a custom one-on-one video, like a private live with a guy, or she's doing a video call with a guy, and she's getting this guy off.

Well, like, say she's using a dildo or something. Like, I'm watching her. She's getting off in front of me with this guy on the phone, and that obviously gets me off. So, like, I'm watching it right in front of me, right? So it's, like, we kind of can still get the cuckolding stuff going, or the sharing stuff going, even when there's somebody not physically in our bedroom,

which has been really hot, is to see her like chat and talk and sex and send pictures. And, you know, I just love watching her do it because it's all her. Like, we don't have some sort of bot and it's not me. Like, it's really her talking to all these guys. And when I watch her get horny or watch her get all these guys off online, it in turn does the thing for me.

So it works out. Yeah, no, I love that because a lot of times, And especially in the early on when people started doing only fans, I started posting more episodes of people that do only fans. a lot of some of my listeners like oh it's so annoying you don't want to listen to the only fans people because they just assumed that like people just jumped on the bandwagon for only fans this is why they're fucking and doing all this stuff like you guys were doing all this stuff way before only fans you know what I mean yeah yeah and this plays right into what you guys are totally into right her included I mean she's not talking to these guys to make a buck she's doing it because it makes her hot and you for you too

why don't you explain to people and I'll put her link tree in the description but explain to people what they get on her only fans and all that kind of kind of good stuff. Well, and I've got one too, Kathy. So, okay. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, so, so maybe I should put that one up too. Well, it's on, it's on her link tree. Um, but yeah, but mine is free. And so basically what we do is, you know, guys, I get a whole lot of like gay guys and buy guys and stuff that are kind of interested. Or guys, we honestly, Kathy, we give so much advice. There's so many people that are like, hey, I'm really into what you guys are saying. How do I get my wife to do it? Or how do I

get my husband to be open to this? And so, um, that's how, like, my, my page kind of started at my red because it was all free right um and so on mine we post like all the videos to where you can basically just go and like buy all these videos like we talk about um without having to directly send messages or subscribe which is cool and then on hers like that's how you actually chat with her and and do all that kind of stuff and do these one-on-ones and dick ratings and you know she's she's got all kinds of cool marketing things like spin the wheel and you might get a titty pick i don't know like she does all that kind of stuff oh my god that's fine Yeah. And then, you know, we diversified and we're on Fansley and sexted Panther has been a good one. That's new. And to where she's constantly sexting all the times, especially in the mornings we guys and sending pictures and stuff. But basically it's like how we can get our hot wifing addiction done when there's not a guy 24-7 ready to come over and fuck, right?

Yeah. We can still talk to guys and we're both getting off from it. You know, and it's not really about the money part. Like we would. do this part for free. It's just, you know, it's been really fun to actually kind of do that. And then we're connecting with more and more people and now these companies and you. And so it's, we've only been doing this now for six, seven months. You're kidding. And did you just do well right out of the gate? Pretty much. I mean, just as I said, like, I told her for years, like, you're so hot. People will not believe that you're actually into. And that you're real. Exactly. Yeah. So that was the, that was the hard part on the dating apps, Kathy, was that. Everyone assumes we're fake or she's fake.

Yeah. And they think she's AI or she doesn't exist or whatever. We're like, no, we're 100% real. And we have to send verifications when you meet people and take pictures like, you know, with your thumbs up and stupid stuff like that because they don't think she's real. And not only is she real, she's super into all of the hot, you know, dominatrix cuckolding stuff that all these guys are into online. She's the real deal. Exactly. Yeah. So that's why it's gone so well.

I mean, she really is like the trifecta. She's like hot as shit. She's like into hot wiping. And she loves to like dumb guys. You know, I mean, it's really like what so many guys are into. I talk to all these guys. I know what they're fucking into. And, you know, is she, the fact that they all exist in this one person is pretty rare.

You know what I mean? And it's pretty. That's why she's so successful. And she's always up for all these crazy ideas I have and let me be myself. And I don't have to worry about, you know, telling her I want to do this freaky thing. She'll be like, okay, well, let's explore that. And, you know, it kind of goes. I mean, I hit the jackpot, Kathy.

Yeah, you did. And listen, my listeners have the jackpot because they could go fucking get a custom for her on her only fans. Okay. I'm going to put her link tree, which has your only fans on there for guys, by guys. And, you know, there's tons of them out there. Right. Going to be listened to this episode too. They could check you out.

They could check her out. They're going to love her. If you haven't listened to her episode, like I said, I'll put the title, the number in the description. But thank you, James, so much. for calling it. You're going to send me, send me a couple picks, a pick of you and her for my Patreon for your episode, why not? Yeah, everybody wants her picks. I'm sure

I can send those. Yeah, you can send those. Listen, sometimes a guy sends a body show of himself. You don't have to, but if you want to, just send me some picks for Patreon, and then, you know, you could definitely go on to Discord and promote it as well, but, and I'll tag her in your Discord. Your Discord is wild now. Yeah, your Discord is crazy out there in the

Discord streets, so it's... Oh, yeah, I know. When you were just saying she does like dick ratings and so I'm like I should have had her do my dick pick contest rating them with me she would have been the best oh god Kathy we've seen since she's seen so many dicks it's crazy I thought I was like kind of big and normal and now we've seen so many big dicks I mean this whole life has been crazy it is I can't believe my listeners have the biggest dicks I just did a dick contest like 200 and something pictures and they're all huge I was like what the fuck's going on here I didn't see those dicks growing up it was

But anyway, thank you so much for calling. And I always love, you know, hearing the story from the other partner's perspective, that you always get a totally different view of things. And it's always just as interesting in a different way. So thanks so much for calling in and telling your side of the story. This is great. Thank you so much. So send me the picks ASAP, okay?

Okay, we'll do. Thanks, Kathy. All right. Thank you. Bye. Okay. Bye. Bye.

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