Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1512 - Jen & Rob Couldn't Find Their Perfect Lifestyle Community So They Created Their Own

Episode Date: July 8, 2026

Jen & Rob called in to talk all about Voluptas, their exclusive invitation-only society and events they created for happily married couples looking to elevate their sex lives. Tune in to hear how and why they wound up at Desire for Jen's 40th birthday and what they did and didn’t do there, how the experience opened up conversations about their fantasies, boundaries, and what they were and weren’t looking for, why they kept exploring the lifestyle but never found the right fit and how that led them to create Voluptas, the elevated vibe of their events, where they're held and what goes down the day of, the black-tie dress code and how it changes the energy, what goes down during the event, their detailed vetting process and what it entails, the kinds of couples they're looking for, why Voluptas appeals to couples who want an erotic, high-end experience without the typical swinger-club atmosphere, the meaning behind the masks guests can wear plus a whole lot more. You can find them here: https://www.instagram.com/clubvoluptas/ GET A COPY OF THE STRICTLY ANONYMOUS BOOK! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY HERE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  or Pre-order audiobook version ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   To see HOT pics of JEN & ROB plus my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show." Want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. All voices are changed.   Sponsors:  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beduc.at/pd2626-anonymous⁠⁠ Click here to take the quiz and  get your personalized SUMMER roadmap to sexual happiness ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://Rythm.Health/STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠for 15% OFF your first month  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://LoadBoost.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - To get 10% off LOAD BOOST by VB Health, use code: STRICTLY   ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Buy 2 months of Bluechew GOLD and get the third month FREE! Use code: STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Follow me! Instagram  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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the ones I get in because they don't let everybody in. They really vet people because they create a very unique, highly elevated experience. Okay. And they talk about how and why they created voluptus. okay and it is because they were a couple, a married couple who was looking to have more fun in the bedroom and they wound up at desire, not kind of on purpose. We see here the story of how they wound up at desire and, you know, they kind of had a good time and they talk about what they did and what they didn't do there and then they went to some strip clubs and some swinger parties and they tried all these other kinds of experiences in the lifestyle and realized there wasn't really a place for them that they were totally into, right? But they were a couple that wanted to have great sex and have fun. And fun for them

is not so much having an orgy or playing with other people. But they do like to be an environment where they can have great sex with other like-minded people. They want to create the exact environment that they would enjoy. And that's what they did with voluptus. Now, voluptus, I think I said it wrong. They talk about, like I said, their journey. first and then you know how and why they wound up starting it and then we get very specific about how their events take place okay it's their very high end they're very smart in how they run things and how they work things towards the end when we were almost like saying goodbye these bring up a couple things about the events that they didn't tell me earlier on so you want to listen all the way

to the end because they talk about masks and how you can wear masks so nobody talks to you if it's on one side and the mask another side, but their events are like super interesting the way it's set up. They're like black tie. They talk about exactly what goes down, how they're run, how to get in,

and all that kind of good stuff. I was still, there was still, it's very mysterious. Their club and their community to me, even after I did all my questioning and really talked to them for a long time, I still felt like it's such a mysterious

place to belong or be a part of. And you know, you're going to feel the same way too. And you're going to want to fucking try to get in because not everybody gets in. Like I said, they really vet people. And we talk all about the vetting experience. I will put a link to their website, Voluptus. They're also on Instagram. We're going to learn a lot more about what they're all about on this call than what I

just told you. Trust me, I didn't tell you the whole thing. you're going to have to listen because there's so many specific details and so interesting. I was obsessed with them. I was obsessed with their whole idea that they put together. And you're going to be obsessed with them too. So I'm going to get right to it and be right back on with Jen and Rob. This is the strictly anonymous podcast.

Strictly anonymous podcast. Hi, Jen and Rob. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you guys? We're good. Thank you. Hey, we're great, Kathy. Thanks for having us.

Listen, you guys have a, I don't say it's a little surreal having you on the other line right now. Well, listen, what's surreal to me is, first of all, you guys like, you know, I'm going to get your backstory, right? But eventually, because I'm assuming you have a backstory in the world of what I talk about on my show, but eventually, and I don't know for how long, you started something called voluptus. Am I saying it correct? I practice this like 10 times before we get to the time. That's correct. Voluptus.

Voluptus, which is a very private exclusive. I don't even know what you want to call it because it's not a swinging community. It's not a swingers club. You don't know what I mean. You're going to have to explain the whole deal. It seems very exclusive. It's like you kind of, like your kind of motto is like 95% of the couples won't make it in. I don't know.

It's like VIP only. You got to get in like into this community that you guys started. How long did you guys start voluptus and what is it all about? But then it would just do a quick thing. And because then I want to go back at your story and we'll work up towards. like the long story of a loop dust. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, absolutely.

Okay. Absolutely, Kathy. We're going into our third year right now. We could not be happier. Oh, okay. So it's kind of new, third year. How many couples you have in there now? Do you count?

Like, do you, like, is, because I know you're like, you don't let everybody in. No, no. It's, it's very exclusive. We have a little over 100 active right now. Okay. Yeah. So we have a pretty lengthy vetting process. And there's a reason for that, obviously.

the curation is really part of the product. What is, okay, first of all, what does the word voluptus mean? So, voluptus was the Roman goddess. She's actually the daughter of Cupid and Psyche. So she's the personification of love and soul and commitment and desire. So she's really a perfect representative for what we're about. Interesting. You think the word voluptuous, which I was getting very,

confused with voluptus comes from the word from the name a very beautiful a very beautiful word and i believe i believe it is it probably derives from this one of these derives from it don't you think they sound because they're so close absolutely yeah okay so um okay quick though like what would how would you explain voluptus to people so we are a private society for happily married couples and married couples understand that maintaining that growth in their relationship is vital. When something's not growing, it's dying, right? And the best way to do that is through eroticism. It's the best way, the most fun way. And not all married couples understand that. And our married couples do. We like to say it's the group of the most happily married people you'll ever hope to meet. And guess what they have

in common? They're having the best sex of their lives. Whatever that may mean between each and every couple, whatever that may mean, but they are having incredible sex. No doubt. Okay. Last question on this, and then we're going to get your story, and then we're going to get much more in detail about this. But like, why three years ago did you start voluptus? Well, it's because what we wanted didn't exist. I mean, I think that's the most simple reason. And we had some lifestyle kind of adjacent experiences that we can get into.

Yeah, we will. Some other experiences just in life. and we thought, you know, what would be cool would be this, this and this. And so we started looking for it and couldn't find it anywhere. Oh, my God. I love how you're still keeping me intrigued and not really telling me anything. And I still don't understand, but I'm going to get there. And I like that we're got to get there in your story.

I like it. We like to say that, you know, one of the things is so important to us is desire in long-term marriage. And one of the elements of desire is mystery, keeping them mysterious. So we hear that all the time. We'll take alignment calls with people. and they'll say, I have no idea what this is, but it sure looks cool. Oh, my God, I'm going to get to the bottom of it. Let's get your story, though, you guys.

Like, first of all, how long have you guys been together? So we're going on our 15th year being married. Okay. So we could not be happier about that. And, you know, we are, we are, yeah, we are just lovers, soulmates, all the cheesy things. All of it. Okay. And always, sex was always great between you two?

Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely without question. Now, I would have to say, obviously, you know, bringing kids into it, careers, other things happening, you know, you can't always put that at the forefront, but I can always say that we always made it intentional to prioritize our marriage and our sex life as well. Yeah, and I'd say it's also like, it's kind of been a beautiful series of baby steps, you know, we first, we weren't one of those couples that immediately dove head first into this and that and the other, you know, we did the beautiful making love. and then I think one Christmas we had a dirty Santa and then it just kind of kept going from there. Yeah, so let's talk about that journey, right?

So you guys are like open, very communicative, a couple, both in and out of the bedroom, I'm assuming. And at some time, you know, you guys start discussing maybe doing something that's not so vanilla or maybe going outside of your bedroom and playing elsewhere, I'm assuming. Yeah, absolutely. I'd have to say, looking back, it was my 40th birthday. Okay. He looked at me and he said, hey, what do you want to do for your 40th?

And I said, I want to go somewhere and be fucking naked and comfortable in my own skin around light-minded people. And that was it. That was the start of it for us. Wait, but wait a second. Did that just come out of nowhere for you? Absolutely. Interesting. Absolutely.

You can imagine me when she said that I'm feverishly looking at. And, of course, my mind immediately went to Europe. So I'm looking at, you know, all the different places that I could find. in Europe thinking about nude beaches and things like this. And we finally settled on going to desire in Mexico for her 40th. And that's a lot more than just being naked on the beach. Oh, was it? I think at that time is when it opened up all the possibilities and the conversations

and then we started to fantasize and then talk about our fantasies and started to communicate on a more deeper, intimate level, which opened up a lot of other conversations and, you know, so forth. You know, I'd say something else, too. Like, when we were there, we just, everybody was so happy and so in love and communicative. And it was, it was just an experience that was really eye-opening for us. So to walk me through that experience, you get there. Now, I know you just want to be naked in front of people.

Did you guys go further than that or, you know, that first trip? Or did you just, like, sort of go and be voyeurs and then start talking about everything? after that trip. I don't think so we joined a bunch of forums and so forth prior to, you know, prior to to go into desire. And, you know, it obviously opened up a lot of conversations for us, things that were on the table, maybe off the table. You know, we discussed boundaries and so forth. And you can only have so many conversations when you're, you've never been exposed to that type environment before. I don't think that we were expecting quite the environment, meaning when I said, go get naked. I meant go get naked with him, not in the lifestyle type of environment.

Listen, there's a big difference between like a nudist resort and like a swingers resort. You know what you mean? In an adult vacation. Exactly, Kathy. Exactly. So go on. So you get there and what goes down. We get there. We were nervous as fuck as you can imagine. I mean, like, it was like, oh my God, what have we done? You know, but here we are. Um, no. intention initially going in to take my clothes off per se. I'm very reserved and very shy. That goes without question to say. But I got to tell you, the first couple of hours after settling in and seeing everybody else so comfortable in their own skin, despite their shape, their size, their age, it was absolutely infectious. And the next thing you know, off my

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Did you wind up doing any of that kind of stuff or just like getting it on in front of people? Like how far did you guys go? Like how much further than being naked in front of people did you go if you did? We had some time together. You know, people who are out there and know the resort, the hot tub gets kind of fun in the afternoon. We had some time just her and I alone on that and we enjoyed the kind of exhibitionist scene and that sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah.

So you hooked up in front of people, but you didn't play with other people at all when you were there that time. Exactly. Okay. Exactly. Okay. Did you get off on seeing other people? Because I'm assuming besides like being a little exhibitionist, when you're there, if you have any kind of voyeur inside of you, you could, you know, you're seeing a lot of stuff going on as well. You know, I'd say for me, it was just more the, the comfort level that everybody had with being being naked.

It was just a really, it wasn't like, it wasn't like a sexual thing. It was like a beautiful human being thing. Listen, I've been to a nude beach and I get that vibe from the nude beach. You know what I mean? It's kind of like you notice people less, their bodies less when they're all naked. Everyone's, it sort of evens the playing field in a very weird way and everyone looks very natural and it's a very, you know, interesting experience. But you were in a place where there's a lot of sex going on too. So I just wonder what you guys are thinking about all of that.

That was a lot. That was a lot to take in for my pure eyes. I don't think I was personally prepared for it. I know. I don't understand why you guys wound up there. What's that? I don't know why you guys wound up a desire instead of like a nudist beach down the street. Well, we don't take baby steps.

Obviously. So what kind of conversations did you have after that show? Well, it was a lot about like the things that we liked, the things that we didn't like. It definitely expanded our boundaries and kind of the things that. that we were thinking of. But it also was kind of laying the foundation for the things that we didn't like as well. You know, and things that if we could do it on our own,

we do it a little differently, a little bit different environment and that sort of thing. Okay, so I mean, let me just ask you this, because maybe I don't remember in your emails. I get tons of emails and I never read through anything because I'm just gonna get all the information when I talk to people. Do you wind up playing with other people down the line

some point. No, and that's kind of our interesting story, I would say. Oh, okay. I like that. I don't mind a story of people that are having fun without opening up their marriage and hooking up with other people because I think there's a lot of people that probably listen to my show that are living vicarious to other people that maybe would never want to, you know, maybe be with other people, but they want to spice things up, right?

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, which I love. I love those kind of things. So you went there, you saw all this stuff. You still, though, like, I mean, and what's interesting is it was kind of in your face, but you both knew, like, we don't want to do that and we don't want to go there, correct? Yeah, but we also, you know, we had those times where we're still trying to be exploratory.

And I remember one night we were in Vegas outside of a, like a sex club or something, and we're kind of watching people go in. And we're sitting in the car nervous and saying, oh, I don't think I want that. And I don't know about that. We ended up driving away, and that was another layer of our experience. Why did you drive away? It just didn't seem like it would be something that would meet our level of expectation, if I could say that. Yeah, I got it.

Okay, but when you got back from desire, like, did being there and being in that, like, environment, like, make you think of other things to do? I would have to say being there, we learn more. I think it made us think about things that we did not want versus the things that we did want. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, time to figure that out. I mean, don't get me wrong, we had an incredible time at desire. We've even been back once afterwards. We have some wonderful friends that are deeper into the lifestyle that we absolutely love. And I can't say enough of good things, you know, about them, but it definitely made us come back and say, hey, what did that do for our relationship, our sexual journey that we're on together? Did that turn us on? Why didn't it turn us on? And, you know, it just opened up a level of conversation to let us know that while desire was fun

and amazing, it was definitely more of that spring break, you know, kind of like, woo vibe. We wanted something more elevated is what we figured out more luxurious. more with like-minded married couples who have amazing marriages but want them to be elite. And they want to have sex together and, you know, push their own boundaries, whatever that may mean, without committing to, you know, the hierarchy of the lifestyle of that language, so to speak. So it wasn't like we don't ever want to play with other people. It was more so maybe we would, but it wouldn't be in that kind of circumstance. Exactly, exactly. We had not ruled that completely out at that point. Oh, okay. Interesting. And what's great is that you were both on the same page, right? Because like you never know, right? Like Rob could have been like, oh my God, this is like this is, I found my people. You know what I mean? But you both like felt the same, which I think is great. You are so right. And you know what we, one thing that I can tell you a huge thing that we took away from desire was you always have to move at the speed of the slower partner in this type of situation.

It does you no favors pushing one, you know, further than they're ready to go and so forth. It bonds you better and deeper and you're, you have a better chance of getting your partner to open up by being patient with them and moving at their speed. Right. Now, do you go to other places? Like did you ever wind up going to swingers clubs or ever other kinds of places to, so that you could really know for sure that none of those places were right for you besides desire? Yes, we have. been to several different lifestyle adjacent events, gatherings, parties, so forth. So we definitely, you know, had our eyes open and our minds open to see what, you know, what we might be willing to try. Okay. So walk me through some of those experiences. So yeah, some were just with friends that we had known and, you know, a little, like I would say kind of house parties, the experience

like the sex club thing that we kind of drove up and then ended up leaving. There was a, I'm going back to Vegas again, another time in Vegas where we attended sort of a lifestyle. I guess it would be like a meet and greet, right? Like everybody is kind of lifestyle like there. And then it just wasn't, it wasn't really organized in a way. You know, you didn't really talk to anybody. It was just awkward for me anyway. Yeah.

And also, I got to say this too, you know, thinking about it now, is something that's really important to us that we found out along the way and that we hear every single one of our members that we align with, and that's a part of the voluptus society, is they want connection. They want connection, not that transactional kind of environment where you go there to do a thing. People want connection. And that was missing in our journey as well. But it is interesting that you guys say that you didn't want to really play with other people. You knew that. but you kept going to these kind of place, like you kept going to like lifestyle events and places, trying to find a place where you fit in. Like, what do you think you were looking for? Yeah, I don't know.

I think sometimes we were just, we were just, look, we were, we were, I think it was that thing. Like, I, we believe you have to keep growing in your marriage. And so we were always looking for that next little edge to give us that little high. You know, the, that I can't believe we did that secret that, that you share as a married couple that's so beautiful that the world doesn't even know about. And I mean, we tried everything.

I mean, we went to, I think, every strip club we'd go to and, you know, be like, well, that didn't do it for us. I mean, we really tried everything. Oh, my God. So none of these places turned you on. They didn't. They didn't. They just did not have that elevated type of environment, that eroticism that we were looking for. I mean, you know, what we go for with with Volupisc, I'm going to tell you right now is more that James Bond meets 50 shades of gray type of atmosphere, that type of sexual.

erotic energy. It's almost like you can't make it up and shit's happening out of a movie, so to speak. Yeah, but does Volupus put on events? Yes, we put on experiences. Okay, so now let me ask you this, and this is kind of getting to the end of the story, but I'm going to get right back to the middle of it. But like, you know, if you guys have created the perfect vibe for you guys, right, exactly what you were looking for, the more elevated experience with the people that are very like-minded, right, because you're vetting these people like crazy. How come there has still been no hookups with other couples? Between us?

Yes. Yeah, and I think that's a great question, and it really has a lot to do with voluptus itself, is that is not something that we aspire to. It's not the thing that turns us on. Like, we're humans are so, I mean, I don't need to tell you. Everybody's so different in what they're into and their secrets and their fantasies and all this kind of stuff. And that just was, it's sort of like this implied hierarchy of, you know, that's the top

rung or the top level that you're supposed to reach. And we kind of, we kind of don't agree with that. And because that's not, that's not us. We want a really crazy, charged, erotic, unbelievable atmosphere, but it doesn't need to result in, in that. Okay. But does it result for other people in that? Or is it a place where couples don't play with others, but they get to be sexy in a vet?

Like, I'm trying to get, like, exactly what you're offering. Yeah, so, I mean, I think the easiest way we like to explain it to people is that we create a very intentional and elevated erotic container for our married couples to play in. And that means so many different things to so many different people. Right. That some like to just come and be voyeurs and absorb the energy. Others like to come and be visually witnessed. And so it really just depends on the couple and what their fantasies are and what they're into. But do some people like to fuck other people and have swaps?

You know, it's the atmosphere. That's what I'm trying to get to. The atmosphere is extremely erotic. So the atmosphere is extremely erotic. And a lot of times couples do find themselves surprised at their level of openness in an environment like that. And yeah, of course, there are shared connections. Yeah. But the difference is that's never expected and it's not really the point.

Yeah, I get it. I get it. But I think, you know, there's nothing wrong with like letting people know that that, like, it is kind of open to however far people have to want to go. And some people do go a lot farther than maybe you guys go. I'm curious, but I just want to get a little specific with you guys. Why have you decided not to ever cross those lines? It's just not something that turns us on. Right.

So being with other people, like you're just like very monogamous. Like you're not interested in being with other people. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. We're not interested in being with other people. Now, that's not to say that could not change over time because we're also, you know, able to play within our own container as well. and we want to push our boundaries and so forth too,

but it's not something that's within our, you know, our fantasy bucket list, to speak or whatnot. It's just, yeah, like he said, it's not really what turns us on. He says the thing that turns him on the most about, you know, like me is my fuck about mine. Because I say some crazy shit, but that doesn't necessarily mean that, you know,

I plan to live them all out. Yeah, that's fun. So at these events, I mean, I'm just like, walk. So how many do you have? a year. You say that again. How many events do you have a year? Is like, is the club something more than just the, or like, let me try and think what with

it. Hey, I got to tell you, we have been just, I mean, just, wow, this, the past eight months, I, I, I, when we started, we started with several small gatherings throughout the year, two years ago. This year, we had planned for four. And I don't know what in the hell happened about eight months ago, but it's social media. and it just went crazy. And so now we went from four to having six with two deeper experiences,

which is going to be more, you know, retreat style where we spend a certain amount of days with a smaller group of married couples doing some fucked up erotic shit during that time. So we're hosting two of those this year as well. So six opportunities for couples to join us for a gathering or weekend experience, and then two for a deeper experience. Where do these weekend experiences take place? They actually take place in locations that our members themselves vote on. You know, one of the elements of desire is novelty.

And so having our couples have the ability to travel to a different destination is kind of part of the experience. And it makes an entire weekend out of it. Yeah, and usually it's more plausible deniability cities. You know, L.A., New York, Chicago, Miami. but I can tell you this. Most of our members, hey, they've been to those cities, but never under these circumstances.

So they still get that novelty aspect. Now, do these take place in like pet house suites and high-end hotels? Do they take place to rent a, you know, a beautiful apartment, exclusive in these cities? Like, where's the actual physical event? Yeah, absolutely.

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let's just use Vegas for an example since we just finished that up about a month ago. we had 28 incredible, incredibly beautiful couples join us. We released invitations. Boom, they were gone, like, instantaneously. So we do, we try to do things on the smaller end because we want it to be more intimate. It's a huge commitment to say, hey, you know, financially invest in this, leave your families, leave your jobs, emotionally invest, and come here and let's have a nightclub experience where it's so saturated that you won't ever be able to grow your marriage, sex. actually. So we keep them on the smaller side with intention. It's done intentionally. And how do you keep these parties going? You know, considering that there is a vibe you like to create

and an atmosphere. You said it's kind of like 50 shades of gray meets a something or other. Do you have, you know, is someone running events while during the event, you know, like is it just like a cocktail party and people get to do and be fluid and do whatever they want? Like, how is it run? Well, it all starts. We discovered that when the woman is comfortable, all kinds of crazy things can happen. There you go.

You're ready. All of our experiences start. Jennifer actually will host a brunch or a luncheon, and only the women who are going to be attending. The wives go to the brunch and lunch, and they get to know each other. Yeah, because what happens is you remove us from our husbands in that environment, put us in an intimate space

together. Get us dressed up. Let us feel feminine and beautiful and realize that we're not just dressing up for each other. It's also for ourselves and that we're there happily married. We want to have incredible sex with our spouse and there's no shame, no judgment. And what tends to happen is we get a lot of confidence from that time we spent together prior to stepping into the gathering that evening. And we also feel very sexually empowered and, you know, aroused, so to speak from that time that we get to spend together. Oh, I love that. And that happens like the night before?

Nope, that happens the day of. The morning of. Yeah. And what's really cool is so now the women are going into the evening and they already know half the people in the room and are comfortable with them. So it really kind of plays with that energy. Yeah, that's very smart. That's very smart.

So walk me through an event. So everyone shows up. It's not too big. It's typically very exclusive. Yeah, we have a very elevated dress code. prior to any event, you know, half the fun is the anticipation. Everybody knows that. Yeah.

So, so before. And getting dressed up for each other. I mean, look at us. We're in T-shirts and just sitting in here, just hanging out with you, Kathy. And, you know, we don't all get a chance to put a tux and a gown on and slinky lingerie. Yeah, I love that. So it isn't, so what is the dress coat? Usually black tie or similar, depending on the venue.

Yeah. A lot of tuxedos. A lot of, cocktail dresses, just. dependent. Velvet jackets, that sort of thing. Love it. And the idea, the idea is that you also feel worthy of desire. You feel desirable. So you're, you're in this space that maybe you never thought you'd be in. You're holding hands with your spouse. You're dressed in presenting to each other like you never have before. She feels incredibly aroused and confident from the day, in the morning the women spent together.

And it's so elegant and beautiful, but you're here under certain circumstances, which is, which is really fun. How are the people, before we get into, like, you know, when they walk in, what's going down, like, how are, like, how are people vetted to get in? Is it like, you know, are there a lot of different requirements? Like, is it age? Is it look? You know, do they have to send pictures. I mean, I know some high-end places in New York where they vet it with a lot, in a lot of different ways. Yeah, we, we do have an introduction process where people go online and, you know, answer a few questions and submit a photograph. And if it's, if it's, if it's, if it's, somebody were interested in meeting. They actually schedule a Zoom call with us, and we do a call over Zoom with each and every single couple that's part of the society. So no one actually gets in without talking personally to us. And we call it an alignment call. It's so we can not only feel aligned with the potential couple that would be joining us, but they feel aligned with us and also, you know, what they've learned about voluptus on the alignment call.

Right. Yeah, I mean, our goal is marriage. And so, strong marriages. And so we want our couples to be able to get off and talk about it and say, hey, is this going to be helpful for our marriage with where we are right now? That's really important to us. But I would assume you don't talk to every single person who sends in a submission, right? Like, what is on the initial form that, you know, what do people have to do to actually get on a call with you? Because by the time they're on a call with you, they're pretty much like you've vetted them even before. And what is that process like before that? You know, call. We have a huge belief that if you're not intentional in other areas of your life,

you're probably not intentional in your marriage. So when people write, you know, really silly, quick responses, put no effort into it. Or they want to use this to, you know, fix their marriage or they're having problems and so forth. Those aren't our people. And even even a photograph, you know, some couples will send in a, they'll take time and send in a beautiful, elegant photograph and other people, it's a selfie in a bathroom. And it's just, you know, being intentional, is says a lot about you in all aspects of your life. Yeah, and it's not like we're out here, you know, rooting for hotness, so to speak, Kathy, or anything. We want the total package.

That's what we want. It's about showing up for each other. How intentional are they during the application process? When we actually have the time that we spend with them on the alignment call, are they showing up together? What questions are they asking? You know, is she's sitting there saying nothing and it looks like he's pushing her? well, those aren't our people, you know? Like, there's just not.

We're not trying to fix a marriage. We're trying to, again, take great marriages and make them a leap. That's what we want. So people do have to fill out a questionnaire ahead of time, right? And that's when they submit with that questionnaire their photo as well. Yeah, exactly. Right. How many questions on that question?

We actually go through each and every one of those, generally goes through each of those personally. And I reach out personally as well. And even go back and forth with any, you know, questions if they need more clarity prior to booking a phone call. so they're always talking to me directly via text message. How many questions on your questionnaire? That's a good question.

I think there's about seven. A lot of them are kind of like multiple choice, and then three actually ask you to, you know, take some, you know, take some, taught and put your own words to it. Yeah, only seven? Yeah. Okay, that's interesting.

That's not a lot. And then a picture, people submit. And then you say, I mean, I don't know, I saw someplace where like, you know, you don't like 95% of the couples don't get in how many people like that submit you know what's a percentage of people that submit a questionnaire that actually wind up on a call from you like because i'm assuming there's drop off at every step of the way before they make it to an event right yes of course and i mean i think we've had 20 some thousand applications and you know uh probably 300 calls so

i can't do that math in my head but it's wow it's a pretty small number yeah out of seven What questions? Like, people could just get disqualified like that easily. Oh, Kathy, you wouldn't believe what people say. No, I actually can because, you know what? Yeah, no, you know why? I just did a dick pick contest on my Discord. And there was like, I do an annual dick pick contest, by the way.

And I got to critique every single one of them. It's like an hour and a half episode on my Discord that I do. And like, let me tell you people how they complain like, like, I'm so picky. It's like, you're winning $300 for this picture. Like, if you just like took a picture in your dirty room, Like how is that going to be, how could you be a winner? Like I'm the same like you. It's being intentional.

Yeah. Like you gotta take your fucking, you want to win a contest. That's the best of. You got to like be, take, be intentional, take your time. Like this has to be a real deal. You know what I mean? Like that's what it takes to win a fucking contest. You should see how people are like criticizing me of how picky I am.

It's like a fucking contest. But the same thing. Well, hey, you sound like us about our members. Yes. You sound like us about our members because we are fucking. picky about who joins the members that we have as a part of our society right now. Put in some effort. Put in some effort. What are the typical things that like are just the big red flags that are like immediately you're like no way? A lot of times when couples, this sounds kind of crazy, but it's kind of how they're sitting in the room.

They come on the Zoom camera and sometimes the, you know, one person will be front and center and the other is kind of back in the dark corner and not saying anything. That's definitely a red flag. Yeah, definitely. Now, we do give them time to obviously warm up because we all again move at different speeds and so forth and whatnot. But a lot of times, typically what you see is there's no change in the body language or any shift in that area. And what we do at that point is we immediately eject. We have to. We want to protect our time and also their time as well because obviously time's the most precious thing that any of us have and we don't want to waste anybody's by any means. Yeah, I can imagine.

And so do you have like an age requirement, a time of like, you know, how long you've been married, like no newbies, no old people, no young people? Like, are there any kind of things you follow when it comes to those things? You know, it's such a good question. And it's been really interesting because it's really been kind of self-selection. I'd say the bell curve of our average, the age of our members is, you know, 45 to 55 if you were thinking of a bell curve. Now, we do have some in-shaped, gorgeous members in their 60s, and we have some in their 30s as well. But I would say the majority is that. And most, I think, 99% of our members have been married at least 15 years.

Wow. These are really committed married couples. Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. And I love that. Listen, I have plenty of newbie stories on my show. But most of the time I'm talking to people who have been together for a really long time, you know, and either they've been doing. it for a long time or they, you know, wound up opening up after a long time. And I love those

stories the most because it just goes to show that most of the time, you know, that sort of foundation of being together for a long time is like a great thing to have going in, right? And I would assume for you guys vetting people that says a lot about those couples because you don't want the couple coming in that have no experience or are going to flip out if they're out of place and they don't know how to handle themselves, right? Exactly. You know, that's a, it's a great thing to say, you know, that's another red flag is if the word jealousy comes up. If you're jealous, then that means you've not had the conversations that you need to have to make it to this point. So revisit us when you've gotten there. Yeah, oh my God. So the couple comes in. Everyone's

decked to the nines. The guys are in, you know, like you said, it's like black tie. The women could wear lingerie or they wear like they're black tie too and then they get they, as the night goes on, changes. Yeah, as the evening goes on. So we have a rival process. So our arrivals are staggered. So everybody kind of gets a journey. We tell a story really in an arc.

I'd say the best way to think about it is an erotic, elevated art gallery opening. In other words, we're not, we don't have a dance floor. We don't have stripper poles. We usually have live string music of some sort. Oh, nice. And we also will have humans. art installations, human bodies doing things in certain corners of the room. And it's interesting because they're not performances.

You don't sit there and watch and clap. They're just sort of happening and you notice them. And those stories as the night goes on get more provocative and a little more interesting and kind of heat up the room. Where do you find those people? Some people can't figure out why, but they're there to turn you on. Where did you find those people? We find them. We dig deep.

That's part of the work, right? You must enjoy it. We do. We absolutely love it. Right? I mean, obviously, you like to put this all together because it sounds intensive. I mean, because you're going to different cities, right? So you have to, in each new city, you have to find these kinds of people in the background,

as, you know, besides putting the whole thing together to create the whole event. It's a tremendous amount of work. But, you know, after our most recent one and the way our couples responded and just, I just, I just love them all. And it was just such a beautiful experience that it, it, it, it recharges your batteries, right? You kind of get, you get drained doing all the hard work, and then all of a sudden you get your batteries recharge. Yeah. They all go home with a sex high and we're just going on a member's high. Oh, my God. So, so the people arrive, you have live music, but it's like high end, like you said, I wonder what those people think of what the fuck's going on in these places, right?

Well, you know, something really important is everybody, staff and all of our members all are required to sign an NDA prior to being in the venue. Also, as well, privacy and discretion and safety is utmost important to us as well. Our members before ever attending a gathering or experience, they are required to sign NDAs and privacy documents. There's also never any type of photography allowed. we have spaces before they ever fully enter a venue that they put their devices and get their own key. And that way they can retrieve their devices on exiting the venue. Yeah, I love that. But if I was like a violinist, you know, hired to come to your vent, I would have like a million questions.

I know I would not be able to ask them and I know I would not be able to talk about it. But I know those people are sitting there like, what the fuck's going on here? You know, Jennifer and I are so hands-on. the wrong term in this circumstance. Yeah. But we're so hands on that we actually, you know, speak to them. Yeah. Meaning like they know what we're about.

Yeah, love it. They're comfortable with what we're about. They believe in what we do as well. And most of them beg to come. I can imagine. Part of other experiences, gatherings, even though it's in different cities. Yeah, there you go. Right.

So they are, they are, they do like, they're not like just there as robots. I mean, they are like curious and into it and, right, thinking about what's going on. Yeah, absolutely. That they do talk to you. Which makes it more. real. Yeah, I love that. So it's interesting. So once the erotic art installations have come to a crescendo and then the staff and everyone begins to, you know, leave the venue, that's when the women will change into our lingerie and the men as well, assuming they brought something, you know,

different to change into. But I'll tell you, the staff, they're never happy to leave. They always want stay. I can imagine. Is there food in that beginning part? No, we don't, we don't do food. Like as the evening goes on, we put out a board, you know, things to nourish people. But that's definitely later. Honestly, between me and you, I think it's gross. Oh, you're just speaking our language. We have a thing. Eating is gross.

Yeah. When it comes to sex, it's just. Yeah. I never get it. And I hear the weirdest things that people are putting. I just think it's like I would not be interested in that at a place at all. So I think it's great that you don't. Is there alcohol involved?

Yeah, we do have an open bar at our events and bartending staff and that sort of thing. So there's predominantly champagne and some cocktails, white wine. We think beer is kind of, you know, not necessarily sexy, so we don't do beer either. Oh my God, I like the way you guys roll. Okay, so wait, so all the staff leaves and now it's time for people to relax more, like, or get changed. What is the deal? Like, what do you tell people? Once the staff leaves, portions of the venue that weren't open earlier, like, say, a door or a velvet rope or something like that, they're now open and available.

And we call that our erotic field. And so at that point, the erotic field is open. And it's just more often than not, it's just sort of an organic thing where you blink your eye and all of a sudden everybody's in lingerie and the lights are dim and the music is on. It smells like sex in the air and it's just incredible and just delicious and like a total beautiful mind fuck, really. Yeah, wow. And I'm assuming that you don't need to like give people rules of regulations. Like all because all these people are vetted, I assume they all know like what is the deal walking into these places and everything that you're not ever having to like tell people what they can and cannot do, correct? Yeah.

And again, it's sort of our, I would maybe call it our self-selection. a little bit. You know, these are married people, 15 years. They kind of have their ship together, obviously. They're professional. And so, you know, if it's something that they want to organize, you know, be a part of and, you know, it's something they can enjoy. So you don't feel like you're ever having to babysit people because you're not just letting people in off the street. That's exactly. Exactly. And we're only married people. So there's never, there's never singles. So, you know, you're always, you always come with with your spouse. You leave with your spouse. We, we, we, know every single person personally, obviously over Zoom and repeat guests and members and things like that. So it's a really, it's a really curated and interesting atmosphere. Yeah. And another thing to kind of throw out there, I think that's important to mention is that when we release our invitations for any upcoming gathering or experience, once they're fully committed to and they're no longer available, we open up a private space within the society. So that way,

all of the members, they know who's coming. They have the opportunity to get to know one another. We had some that in Vegas made plans together for Maria and went and rented cabanas and spent all Friday hanging out, getting to know one another. We have some that are now traveling together, you know, that's met through the society. So it's not all about just the gatherings and the experience as well. There's a whole element on the society on wine to it too. Right, which is your website.

There's a portal that people are inside of once they're allowed in, correct? So, and people have access to each other. Exactly. Right. I love that. And so these retreats, these are, that's something new, correct? Like, and so that's something that you haven't started yet. You're doing your first one coming up or you have done them before?

Yeah, exactly. I'm hosting a women's feminine retreat here in Montana in August. So it will be the first one I've done. It's completely committed to. I could not be happier with this beautiful, incredible, sexy group of women that we get to spend four days together in the mountains, just learning more about our sexuality, our fantasies, our desires, and so forth. So that's women only.

We have our couples, deeper experience coming up in October, and that is actually in Hill Country. And how long, these retreats are weekend long, the whole weekend, correct? There's four days. Four days. The deeper. experiences and the women's experience is a four-day time that we'll spend together. As far as the gatherings are concerned, which is the ones that we do more often, those are more of a weekend, like a two-day type of experience.

The 10-Dependent and time of year. The ones we just talked about, right? Yeah. It's two days. Oh, okay, I love it. How long do they last for? How many hours? Till everybody leaves.

So you never know. Right. Okay. So from like, you know, what time do the doors open? Our arrival windows are typically from eight to nine local time. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Cool. And your retreats. Do you have, I mean, listen, what is your goal? I mean, it's obviously not to get, you know, tons of people in there. You're not, you're right? I mean, like, do you want to, is it, do you have a cap amount of people that you want to let in? I mean, you are coming up to my podcast and opening up to a lot of people that are going to want to get in.

Like, what is your deal as far as like what you're looking and how far you want to or how big you want to grow? Yeah, it's a really good question because, you know, with scale, obviously, you know, you don't want to lose that curation. So we definitely intend to stay on the smaller and more curated side for sure. It's not like we have a number in mind. I mean, at some point, you have to have enough experiences where everybody's enjoying the fruits of being part of it. So you're definitely capped at that. And I don't really ever see us outsourcing anything because it's really not who we are. Yeah, but you can't, I mean, listen, there's a place called Sanctum.

I'm sure you've heard of it, right? Yes, of course. Did you ever go to check it out? Because it sounds like, I mean, I had the woman on who puts on all the events that take place. And they are very exclusive and have a certain vibe. Yet it's like, you know, a much bigger experience than you're doing. but I think that they're able to keep the vibe the way they want it through their process. I mean, you could certainly have a thousand people and do the same thing you're doing on a bigger scale,

even though now you're doing it with 100 people, don't you think? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I think for us it's just more about the right people. Like he said, less of a number. We definitely just want to make the best decision and be very, very protectful and mindful of the group that we've all raised. that we're already curating. So it's definitely, you know.

And Kathy, it makes it so much harder, you know, when you have this experience and you share it with these lovely couples and you're just such amazing people. You're so protective over them now. Yeah. I mean, do they not want you to grow? Do they want it just to keep it the way that it is? Like, I mean, you could be in like a weird position at some point.

You know what I mean? Because maybe some people just want to keep it small. But maybe you guys want to grow it. I don't know. do you, I'm assuming you're monetizing it in some way. Well, the thing is, is we have careers outside of this. And this really started as a passion project for us. So it's not, it's not something that we look at through the lens of, you know, how are we making money or are we making money.

I mean, you know, for the example, you know, sanctum, they, from what I understand, you know, the single guys kind of make up a lot of the revenue. And we don't have the single guys who are willing to pay to be, you know, who want, you know, that's just not our, not our vibe. and not what our product is. Yeah, yeah. But people pay, right? Obviously, you're not paying for all of this out of your pocket, correct? Do people pay a membership to be in the club as well as to go to the events as a separate thing? Yeah, exactly.

There's a little monthly membership fee to be part of the society. And then obviously only invitations are only available to members of the society. And then each experience is kind of priced, again, based on the venue, where we are, what city, that sort of thing like obviously New York is expensive so I don't need to tell you that oh my god I know $37 burger no sides I tell my friend I how much I pay for a burger no set we'll have our next one in your in your in your in your space oh my god so you are so you're looking for more you're always open for more couples to join correct you have only about a hundred and you've been doing this for three years that's how picky you are quote unquote which I think makes me

it more like, I don't know, for somebody that might like a challenge, like, I'm that kind of person that people are going to like want to get in just to be the ones that get in. Do you know what I mean? I mean, because you've been doing it three years. Only a hundred couples inside, right? Only a hundred, but I got to tell you, the majority of them has come from the last eight months. That's like when we've seen the most growth. How come? Did you start going on podcast? Did you start promoting? No, we've never done anything like that. We just, someone said, hey, why don't you have an Instagram last summer? And we thought, well, okay.

And so we started an Instagram last summer. And that's our only social media channel. And it just kind of blew up. Really, just from the Instagram. Yeah. And you've talked about a lot of lifestyle friends that you have. Is it couples that you've met through this club that you guys have created? I don't know what you call it.

The couples that lifestyle, I'd say most of them were like people we met at desire. Yeah, at desire for sure. Yeah, no, I love it. How do people are going to, I mean, I feel like I'm slightly obsessed with you guys and this whole experience that you guys have created in this whole world that you created in this club. I think it's such a specific niche and I think it's like really appealing, right? And, you know, people are going to want to know how do they find you, how do they apply,

how do they get in? So why don't you give all your shoutouts? And I'll put a link to your website or your Instagram. whatever you want me to put a link in, just give me that for my, for the podcast description. So anyone driving right now, don't worry, like whatever they're going to give you, I'll put a link to. Yeah, we're on Instagram. We're at Club Voluptus, and our website is just ClubValupus.com, and you can learn more about us there. Probably Instagram is the best place to go.

We have a lot of stuff on our stories, and a lot of the stuff we do is also backed by data and science. and so it's cool to go on there and say, hey, this is real stuff. This isn't, you know, this is what couples should be doing. What do you mean? What kind of science that you guys look into or that you guys are like following? Well, everything from, you know, your neurons fire when you observe sexual arousal and others. So your brain actually can't, it can't distinguish between experiencing it and actually

witnessing it. Really? Yeah. We take a lot of these things into account. And then especially things like women's arousal, again, telling that story, women's comfort going into the evening. So they're sort of primed and programmed even before they show up. We're not just throwing people in a room with a bunch of mattresses and saying, here, have fun. No, you're really like, right, you know the science behind it.

And you're taking all of that into consideration. And you realize taking all of that into consideration that you don't need a mattress and people to pile on to have a great experience. Right. Maybe it's even a hotter experience the way you're putting it. together, right? Very cerebral, yeah. Yeah, very. Yeah, yeah. For that kind of person and there's plenty of people. I mean, there's so many more, there's tons of couples are going to want to fucking get into your club. I feel like you're going to be in a thousand soon. You know, I was driving along listening to you

and I never thought to reach out. I mean, we've listened to you forever and you said something, you said, well, hey, not everybody identifies as that. And I thought a light bulb went off. I love that. Yeah. Not everybody identifies as a swinger. They want something erotic, but they don't want a strip club. They don't want to go to a sex club, but they want something beautiful and elevated and elegant. Yeah, I love that. And I love having people on that aren't so hardcore. You know what I mean?

And that maybe haven't ever cross the line because I feel like the majority of people are never going to want to maybe open up their relationship. Right. So I feel like it's more relatable in a way a lot of times. I mean, listen, my show grew and got an audience from having like all these hardcore people that are very, very extreme that do all these kinds of things. But now that I do seven episodes a week, I like to show all kinds of different ways for couples to have fun. And I know that there are plenty of people listening to my show that are living vicariously. And I know that plenty of people that are just wired to be monogamous. And maybe we don't want to get into an orgy or do

any of the kind of things that people are doing on my show. But they want to have a spicier like sex life with their partner, right? They're more elevated experience. So I've, love to offer all kinds of stories that appeal to all kinds of people. And I think what you guys are doing is very appealing, probably to a lot of more people than just a regular swingers club experience in a way. Yeah. Yeah. Without question, you know, just to kind of like tie this into the conversation, another thing that we realize, too, through our journey is that we all have things that we're into. Let's call it kinks. Like, your kink might not be my kink, but, you know, we all have our own It doesn't mean that we have to share the same kinks, which is, you know, part of the beauty of it.

We're respectful and we love that there are people out there, you know, having the best sex of their lives, whatever that may mean, enjoying their kinks with whomever that may mean. That's life. It's beautiful. And it's, you know, we only get one. Yeah. And listen, you're a couple who, you know, you've kind of really looked around. You had experiences in a lot of different places and you have now created a place that is exactly

what you, like you guys say, were looking for it and you couldn't find. So, like, if there's, you, like, they always say, like, where there's one, there's many. And it's very true. Like, if you guys existed and couldn't find the perfect place but created it, it means that there's so many other people out there looking for exactly what voluptus is. Did I say, right? Got it. Yeah, you said it perfect. Voluptus. Yeah, it's, that's true. And it's, it's a surprise us. We thought, wow, there are a lot of happily married couples. So, that want to have incredible sex. They want to push boundaries in their, in their marriage sexually and erotically.

Right, but maybe they don't want to go the route of like a swinger club or a hotel takeover or a, you know, a house party, right? It's something different, a little bit more elevated, which I love. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. And you have some that are so new and it's never done anything. We're the first point of contact with them. Something happened on their social media, the algorithm we showed up.

This looks amazing. And then boom, they're on a virtual. you know, Zoom call with us. And they're saying we've never done anything at all in our relationship. This is our first step. And so to have that gift that people are entrusting that with us, given what we've built, is absolutely undeniably humbling. It's fucking amazing.

Yeah, but I also think the fact that you guys haven't ever kind of played with other people or have been involved in an orgy or a gangbeng, probably makes all those people feel very safe. Do you know what I mean? Because you guys are like running this whole thing and you guys never took it to that extreme. So I feel like it would make it very safe to like newbie couples who maybe just want to spice things up but don't want that pressure of having to worry about how far they take things. Exactly. Exactly. There's also that point where you are in such a, you know, a beautiful curated environment with like-minded, you know, happily married couples, again, that want to grow together sexually, they might come into it thinking, hey, this is where we stand. These are our

boundaries. Let's live out this fantasy, but go no further. But then what happens is they start opening up more and they want to try other things and grow sexually in other ways. What we realized is we hit that mark of what our boundaries were and that we know where we get off and what turns us on. And it's not past that point. Yeah, which I love and which is super interesting to me. But I've also had those stories of probably people who have been to your events and who felt the same way as you guys have but maybe went a little bit further because that's what they were into but there is no pressure and that's what I love you know what I mean so it's like it's such a cool space I'm still as intrigued after I found out about everything that you guys told me I still feel like there's more now

and people are gonna want to go check your art. We didn't even talk about masks. About what? We didn't even talk about masks. What do you mean mask? Everyone wears. them? Well, yes, and it's sort of our internal visual consent system if you want to think of it that way. So we have one side of the mask where a couple can come, and if they're wearing that, our etiquette is that no one can approach them to talk to them, and they are not expected to approach anybody or talk to anybody. So what it does, it just removes any sort of internal or external social pressure whatsoever. Oh, of having to reject. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, they can come and be in the environment and not have to worry about someone coming up or feeling like,

hey, we should go talk to them. They can just be together. The other side of the mask represents more, you know, traditional adult cocktail socializing, toasting champagne, that sort of thing. So couples have the opportunity to kind of choose their path. And they can switch throughout the evening as well. Yeah, if they need time to decompress and, you know, talk to one another. They can obviously go back to the black side.

also we have a few couples that's been with us from the beginning. So whenever they attend a gathering, they keep their black mask on the whole time. They are there to absorb the erotic energy. They are there to take that part of it in. It's what turns them on. It's what gets them off. And it's a very beautiful thing to see they've discovered that's where their boundaries are. Yeah, or what makes them feel comfortable.

A lot of people roll like that. I love that. I want a mask to just walk around New York. so that people know not to fucking start talking to me when I go into the deli. That is excellent. But no, I mean, I really think, you know, talk about intentional. Like I really think all these little things that you thought of are like really brilliant stuff, you know, brilliant and like really smart and only adds to your experience and makes it super comfortable

besides being so elevated, you know, but also just very comfortable and safe for couples. And that's what's most important, you know. You know, another thing to throw out there, too, with that said, is that this past gathering or the weekend experience that we did, we did something a little different. We brought all of the couples back to the private pit house on Sunday in the late, early afternoon, and we had champagne and we had music and we did clothing, optional tanning, and all got to just talk about real life and what happened the night before. you know, where we're from, travel, food, and really make those connections that are so important to our members in a real, you know, a real, real time environment, so to speak, versus, you know, that out-of-body experience, everybody most likely had the night before, which was very, very beautiful. Yeah, smart, smart, right? A broad daylight, totally different headspace, but it only helps people connect even more on a totally different level, but a level that's important. It is only going to make them have a better time the next night, right? Yeah, a little aftercare Yeah, yeah, love it.

You guys are the best. Do you fascinate me? I know you're going to get a lot of people emailing you or whatever they're going to do. I can't wait to see how many of my people you are allowed to get in. Us either. You know what I mean? That was an evil laugh, Kathy, evil laugh.

Well, listen, I always say like I vet people to go into like my, like my listeners are really cool. I mean, not all of them are so elevated, but like my listeners are really fucking cool And there are certain vibe people. I know that they're like super respectful and everything. I just wonder how many though are going to, because you guys are, you know, very picky in a very different kind of way, how many you're going to get from me.

But let me know, okay? Yeah. I'm curious. Hey, we're your listeners too. That's how we ended up here. I mean, that when we came across desire, you know, those years ago, that's when we came across you and we've been listening to you ever since. Oh, I love that.

And I always say I love my listeners. And when I have like content creators on and people like sign up for them, they're always like your listeners are like the best and like I vet everyone that gets into my discord because it's private and I mean it's very rare that I have anybody acting like an asshole. I rarely get dick pit. You know, I have other friends who do sex podcasts and they get like really inappropriate stuff and people harass them and I don't get a lot of that. I'm just telling you like in all the years.

I don't get dick pics or guys. You know, because I think my listeners are fucking cool people. So, you know, they're all going to be checking you out. So let me know how it goes. But thanks so much for finally calling in. I'm obsessed with you. your whole story and with, I'm obsessed with voluptus. Well, we're obsessed with you and thank you for your time.

Yeah, absolutely. You guys are the best. Send me in some picks if you want, okay? Will you do that for Patreon? Do you want to? Anonymous picks? Absolutely. Are you kidding?

We'd love to. All right, awesome. Thanks for calling in. You too. Bye. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly anonymous Confession,

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