Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1550 - Brian and His Second Wife Are Into Full Swaps, Adult Resorts, Bi Play & More!

Episode Date: August 11, 2026

Brian and his second wife are into full swaps, adult vacations, bi play and more and they called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how he met his new wife after getting out of a sexless marriage, his new wife’s first shook up with a guy up and how he felt afterwards and why, how long it took before they started full swapping, the rules and boundaries they had at first, their trip to Desire and what went down including a full swap that included a little guy-on-guy play and how he felt about it, when his wife started hooking up with women during their swaps, how they then started looking for couples with bi guys on the apps and how they find those couples, their full swap when he intentionally hooked-up with a guy and exactly what went down and how he felt afterwards, their first full bi full swap where everyone hooked up with everyone and exactly what went down, the swap where he was topped on a swing and what went down, the ir hook up where his wife used a strap-on on a woman and he topped a guy for the first time and exactly what went down, the most recent full swap where his wife had DVP and exactly what went down, their experiences at Desire, Secrets and Hedonism and which one they prefer and why, how Brian went from being homophobic and judgmental about guys hooking up with guys to hooking up with guys himself and what changed in him, how his wife feels about it plus a whole lot more. GET A COPY OF THE STRICTLY ANONYMOUS BOOK! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY HERE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  or Pre-order audiobook version ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   To see HOT pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show." Want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. All voices are changed.   Sponsors:  ⁠⁠https://shamelesscare.sjv.io/xLQ3Jv⁠⁠⁠ Get $15 OFF Shameless Desire or any other product at Shameless Care ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beduc.at/pd2630-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Click here to take the quiz and  get your personalized SUMMER roadmap to sexual happiness  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://LoadBoost.com⁠⁠⁠⁠- To get 10% off LOAD BOOST by VB Health, use code: STRICTLY   ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Buy 2 months of Bluechew GOLD and get the third month FREE! Use code: STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Follow me! Instagram  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Like I said, you get a free trial if you use my code 37712 or just go to the description and click on the link that's 37712 or just go to the description and click on the link. Okay, today I'm on Brian. Let me tell you. Brian is a great effing story teller and he's got a great story. Okay, this is like a guy who like and he claimed he's like yeah, I was like a former close-minded homophobic dude for like most of his life. He was married for 30 years to the same woman, very vanilla marriage. You know eventually that ended and he quickly met somebody else. else, even though he wasn't looking to and got married and they wound up opening their relationship. They had a couple friend of theirs who were swingers and got them into it and

eventually they started playing together and then eventually he started playing with guys. Here's this homophobic, conservative, close-minded guy that like opened himself up and now he's like fucking into it and he tells so many different stories like how they got into swinging and the the boundaries they had and the soft swaps they had and then the full swaps they had and then the couple times where he just like slightly kind of hooked up with guys and then when he started intentionally hooking up with guys and how he realized he's a bottom and when he topped and oh my god it's so interesting they very much have been there done that his wife has done dvp and dp and dp and he tells all those stories he tells so many different stories of all the different hookups they've been to

secrets they've been to hedonism they've been to desire they've been on stc looking for bye guys they've done couple swaps without buy guys. They've done couple swaps with by guys. They also have been to, so what's another one? Secrets is Iron hedonism, okay? And he talks about the ones that he likes the bass.

You're going to have to listen for that. And he talks about his experiences there. He gives so many different stories. Their time being open has spanned, I think, about six years. And he's like, oh, we're kind of like casual about what we do. But you just hear so many different stories in this time that even though it's six years, it just sounds like they've done a lot.

Like I said, I don't really have to talk much on this episode because he just did his thing. He's a fun guy. He's living his best life. Okay. And he's super honest and very open about like who he was and who he is now. So it's a great episode. You're going to love it. So I'm going to get right to it and be right back on with Brian. This is the strictly anonymous podcast. Strictly anonymous podcast. Hi, Brian. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. Are you today? I'm great, Kathy. Look forward to talking to you. Yeah, I'm going to change your voice, but you do have a good voice. I don't know how it's how that it's going to sound when I change it, right? Because I have to change it. I probably make it

higher, but you got a great voice. But anyway, you also have a great story, which is why you're on the show. You're an older guy, second marriage, second time around. You're like swinging with your wife. You've been swinging with her for like six years. And just recently, which I think is super interesting too. And we'll go in a chronological order and get to this part. But like just recently, you are like hooking up with guys for like the first time in your life with your wife's approval. Right. So that's pretty big as well. But I, you know, I want to go back before you met this woman. Like your first wife, was it like totally vanilla, regular marriage, got divorced and then started swinging with this one? Oh my God, yes. You know, we got married very young and, you know, got into a routine.

Yeah. Did the old stereotypical, you know, seven-year itch and decided that we're going to have kids or stay together and we decided, well, let's have kids. Had kids. Love our kids, great kids, whatever. I'm married almost 30 years. And we, very generic, very generic. I mean, once a, maybe twice a month, we'd have sex or something like that if we were lucky. If I was lucky. Yeah, you are lucky. Sometimes after 30 years, it's once a year.

Yeah, well, it got down to, you know, maybe monthly at the end there. But it was just, you know, it was just we just felt, you know, drifted apart and interest. Once the kids moved out, all our interests came on to me. It's like, well, I don't mind that, but, you know, let's come on. Let's, you don't need to micromanage everything I'm doing in what I'm, my whole life. And it was just miserable. Yeah, it's just a normal story. You know, you think about, like, the age you got married.

Like, what were the odds that by the time 30 years past that? You're the same people and you're still going to get along. You know what I mean? Not high, if you ask me. No, they were. Yeah, of course not. Because you get married when, that's why when you get married in your 20s, you're like a fucking amoeba, you're going to be like 80 people before you're, you know, 30 years later.

And it's like the fact, the fact that you'll still be on the same. same page as that person that you met in your 20s is rare. Some people are, you know what I mean? And those people are real lucky, right? But most people aren't. And that's okay. Like I don't really necessarily see like divorce as like this big failure thing. I mean, you had kids. You had a very long relationship. You know what I mean? And now you're both having new lives and why not? You know what I mean? It was successful while it was successful, you know? And we just, you know, we just start interest drifted apart. And it was fine. And listen, I give you guys credit for splitting up. and starting something new because some people just stay in that miserable marriage

because they don't want to get divorced because there's such this stigma attached to it. You know what I mean? And it's like sad because look at your life. Okay, you're here to say you could have a whole brand new life that's like literally opposite end of the spectrum. So how did you need your... Yeah, what were you saying? The best outcome was learning to communicate properly and knowing I would never repeat those mistakes and I knew exactly what they were.

Yeah. So the second one benefits from all the mistakes. right made it the first time yeah they get a different person so how did you meet your new are you married your new wife oh yeah we're married been married uh 11 years okay cool so met at work okay were you like friendly with her while you're going through your divorce and everything and always had a crush on her uh no actually uh interestingly enough uh we our business had a happy hour and i came back from the arbitration for the divorce and i was just miserable and she and her assistant were just comforting me.

Oh my God. So, kind of us. She was there. Oh, my God. That is so funny, that same exact day. Yes. Well, it was the arbitration. It was one of the arbitration days.

You know, you're going through. Yeah, but still. It's like, yeah, yeah. And she's like, well, you'll be all right. And then a few months later, her sister was having a birthday. Uh-huh. And said, would you come? She's a, the sister's much older lady.

And sure, I'll go. I'll go with you. And so we went. And of course, my now wife was there and a bunch of other people. And we just, for some reason, we just started connecting. bonding very quickly. I just like, oh, she's fun. That'd be nice, you know.

Yeah. Amazing. And so what was her backstory? Totally, like a total vanilla marriage too before and all that same stuff, kind of similar to you? Yeah, she had been married and her husband had passed a few months before I met her. Oh, wow. Neither one of us were looking for a relationship.

Yeah, well, your timing. I mean, it's kind of perfect timing, right? Because you're together and it all worked out. But it's like really crazy, you know, because it was really like at a very pivotal moment for the both of you, right? Like endings were very recent for the both of you, big endings. Yes, big endings. And the other one had an attention.

I wasn't planning on getting married. I had this ridiculous idea. You know, if I was going to date someone, it was no kids or if they had kids, they had to be older. Oh, my gosh. And my wife had, you know, a three and a half four month, a four year old and a, sorry, a three or four year old and a 18 month old. And so I'm like, oh, my God.

You know, what? I have to say, you know, that's the truth. Like, some people think like, oh, you know, know, like people have these lists and stuff, but all that shit goes out the window when if you meet the right one. You know what I mean? Yeah, I met the right one. Yeah, yeah.

That's amazing. So, okay, so you guys get together. How does swinging, because like, I'm doing the math because I know you've been swinging for about six years. You're married 11 years. So, like, what goes down, like, what leads up to you guys, like, opening up your marriage? Because you're both vanilla people. Right.

We had some good friends that we've been hang out with on Fridays or Saturdays just, you know, became a regular thing every once in a while. And we learned in the relationship. friendship with them, friendship with them, that, you know, she was a closeted raging bisexual. And so she would kiss a kid all the time about wanting to kiss my wife. And I just saw this. So eventually one day, it's like, we're all drinking, got a little too drunk, you know. And she's like, okay, well, sure, kiss, you know.

So they kissed. They made out. So my wife had, you know, she's like, oh, that wasn't too bad. I kind of enjoyed that. She had never had those kind of experiences before. but that kind of continued for a while and we'd get together a few more times and then get you know of course the guys were enjoying it

and eventually our cocks are out and at some point I say to her my wife well you know I think he needs a blowjob and everybody's like no to the other guy like you're saying to your wife like I think he needs a blowjob from you yes oh my god like where did that come from

we were just all horny and I thought it would be hot if she gave him a blowjob but I mean like let me ask you this had you like been like you know, turned on by sharing your partner and knew that about yourself or you just thought it was hot in the moment. In the moment, you're like, oh, down. Interesting. Okay. And I think part of it, and I left out a little bit. They had been to a local swingers club and we're telling, had told us stories in this period of time. It's happened over maybe 18 months or two years. We heard these stories and sorry. Then they talked about they'd been to the swingers club once. And so they told us all about it when I got us all interested. Of course, that's part of the reason. It's like, oh, swingers club,

that sounds interesting. And of course, that was hot. And then eventually this episode happened. And I'm telling you the next day, I was like, what the fuck did I ask? Wait, did she blow him? Oh, yeah, sure. Everybody's like, okay, sure. Wait, did the wife blow you?

What else went down that night? No, no. Just your wife blowing that guy's wife. Just, and it was just, you know, a few minutes. And he didn't finish and she wasn't trying to make a finish. She was just to be drunk. Anyway, so that, you know, that happened. And then next day, I was just like, oh, my God, I can't believe I asked her to do that.

It was like, oh, you know, and she thought she had done something wrong. I think, no, I asked you to do this. It was hot in the moment. I'm just thinking, I'm processing it, right? So we had developed this great communication, and we're talking to talk and talking two or three weeks later. Similar kind of scenario we're drinking. The girls start making out and the boys are hard again. And I said, do it again.

And she's like, no, I remember everybody's like, we know what happened last. Well, what happened last time? Like you just, you kind of just say it really quickly. But I think it's very helpful to like break it down a little bit of how. you felt because it sounds like it wasn't totally positive. Well, I wasn't, I wasn't jealous. Yeah, that's okay. I felt like I crossed a line about what would this do to our relationship, you know, you know, I wasn't really worried about whether she would have any feelings for him or anything. It wasn't any of that. It was just like you. You felt like you tarnished your marriage or

something like that. Some weird thing. I came from a very conservative background. My dad was a deacon and a Baptist church. And so, you know, sex is in your marriage and you don't do these things. you know, whatever. I got it. And so, but then, you know, the more we process and talked about it, she's like, well, what was, what was bothering you? And I said, I just, you know, feel like, you know, I asked you to do something maybe you didn't want to do, and, but you enjoyed it. And by the way, yeah, you know, she gave him the best blowjob I'd ever seen in my life. And I was, you know, you give me a blowjobs, but I remember them being like that. Oh, okay. Oh, well, but she, she has. Of course, of course she has. But I don't get to see her giving me a blowjob. I see her

So you don't know how good, like, look, that's kind of interesting. And I think you're hearing on something like. Yeah. So seeing how enthusiastically and how well she did it. And he was just, his mind was blown. And it was great. It was fantastic. It was all, you know, and then again, like I said, a few weeks later, processing and

everybody's like, are you sure about this? I said, I've been through all this. I know exactly what I want. Okay. Yes, I'd love to see her do that. And so she did it again. Oh, my God. No looking back.

It was just wonderful. And again, a few more times happen. We get together and next year, you know, the girls are naked playing on the floor, touching each other. And at one point, you know, my wife asked me if I want to lay down next to her and touch her while she's playing with her. And so I maybe touch her boobs. And, you know, I get asked if I want to kiss her. So I kiss the other moment. And my wife is like, oh, this is, you know, I get it.

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And everybody's like, are you sure? So she fucked him. And I did not do anything with the other women other than maybe kiss her or play with her a little bit. But then we did that a couple of times. And eventually my wife said, you should fuck her. And so I did.

And never looked back. It was like, oh, this is fun. We like doing this. I was more of a relationship. I need to kind of have a bond or connection to do it. But then we played for several years. We had a few relationships and the lifestyle, some better than others. And eventually I began to realize, you know, DTF isn't quite so bad after all.

So we've kind of warmed up in the lifestyle community. You know, we had boundaries and rules. Rules you don't break. Boundaries are things that I don't want to do it right now, but, you know, someday we may consider this. So all the boundaries are gone. The rule, you know, a few rules are left. But, you know, we're all very comfortable with each other. We began to realize that, you know what?

They are friends, which, you know, you don't fuck your friends is what the big rule of. But you did fuck up. But we did. And it worked and we kept friendships. We're still friends with them. You know, I've known, I knew the wife longer than I know my own wife. But, uh, but we've known them and we're, we get along great and we play occasionally. But eventually we said, you know what?

It's best for us because we don't want to develop, start developing anything beyond just a sexual relationship that we should, you know, branch out. So I created a SDC profile and a Cassidy profile and we came up with these, well, I came up with them because I'm a logical mathematics background kind of person. Yeah. These rules about, you know, what the process is going to be, first date, second date, third date. All right, give, give, list out your rules, man, guy. It was ridiculous. It was ridiculous. I want to hear them. I want to hear Well, you know, the first date would just be drinks. We would not play.

Okay. Then the second one was if we wanted to play, maybe we would try soft. And then if the third one, the second one worked out and they still wanted to see us, we would consider a full swap. So, you know, we very courage, we thought courageously had our first experience where we found this couple that were very much like us. We like your third, you know, the three date rule. We love it. So we had a date. We met him the second time.

We both got hotel rooms. And we had our little soft swap. and there was absolutely nothing wrong with the soft swap. But we walked out of there just feeling so awkward. Why? Performative. It was performative. It was like, you know, we had the boundaries of the soft swap.

If you wanted to touch, it was like, oh, you know, we were talking about touching that part. Don't touch that thing, you know. But we didn't say it, but it just was. And, you know, they were great people. There was nothing wrong with them. There was nothing wrong with what we were doing. It was your boundary. We were also new.

They were new, too. Yeah. We just didn't know what the hell we were doing. So we had, because we were, I realized we were kind of sluts at that point, it's our only first experience. We thought, well, you know what? We were there. Let's have brunch the next day. Oh, this other guy was reaching out to me about wanting to meet and they happened to leave down the street.

And I'll meet you for brunch the next day. So here we have this soft swap. And the next date we're meeting with another couple to figure out whether we won't play with them or not. Okay, that's good. Yeah, we had told them this other new couple that we had met for this brunch. we were planning on going to desire because that was one of our things. We want to go in next,

maybe be a little exhibitionist and voyeurs and watch and whatever. So we told them about this at this brunch and they said, well, can we go to? I said, hey, listen, it's a public place. You can go. Here's when we're going. If you go, great if you don't.

We don't care. Turns out we bonded with them very much. We like them quite a bit. I'll get that a little bit in just a second. But then, you know, fast forward, we go to desire and they're with us and we went as to force them. And it turns out with this couple,

that we met and went to desire with, we began to develop a little bit more of a, it wasn't polyamorous, but we became talking about being exclusive and just because we all bonded very well. He was, I don't like a lot of men and men could be dicks, but this guy was really my kind of person and she was my wife's kind of person and we just all got along fabulously. So we went to desire and had a great time and stuck with the forest. And you had a full swap with them and everything was. Oh, we did.

Is your wife always with the woman? I mean, you're not with guys at this point, right? But is your wife hooking up with the women in these situations? Well, you know, my wife would have called herself at this point by comfortable that if somebody wants to do something with her, she would do it. But she didn't at the time have confidence going down on the other woman, but the other woman wanted to go down on her. That's fine.

A pillow princess like. Yeah. But she did go down on the other women and she was fine with it. I mean, the women enjoyed it, but she just didn't have the confidence with it. She's built that over time. Right. But with this couple eventually, we put up with them for pretty much most, I'd say almost every interaction we had in a lifestyle was with him for a few years, maybe two and a half years, two years, let's say two. And then, and he was the first guy that ever wanted to do anything with me.

He actually asked him to suck my dick once. And I, you know, it happened for about, you know, 30 seconds. Everybody's giggling. Oh, whoa. So I returned the favor. And eventually, you know, he and I talked and said, well, I'm open to things or you're open to things. If our wives are open to things and it doesn't bother them, we can. into things. And so fast forward to an interlude where she's going down on my wife and I'm behind

her and he decides he's going to slip in behind me and slips into my ass. Oh my God. Without asking. Well, we talked about, you know, we're open to doing it, right? So he's just like, he just got carried away. Oh, in the heat of the moment. Yeah. And I'm like, oh. Only another guy understands a guy doing that. You know what I mean? Like, I think you're a lot less judgmental of him just, like, doing that in the heat of the moment than a woman would be, you know what I mean? Because you're like a guy and you understand when you just can't, you just think it with your dick. Keep it, well, keep in mind, though, I mean, we had been talking about maybe experimenting because we had done. Okay, I got it. Yeah. Just to, you know, just, hey, man, we're more, working our lives while we're doing it. Like, are you guys okay with this? Yeah. Anyway, so when he did it, it was kind of like, we'd already talked it enough. It's like somebody had to break the seal, so he decided he was going to break mine. How was it for you? It lasted all of maybe 30 to 40. Yeah, but how was it?

I said, oh, I like that. I definitely knew I liked that at a point. Right. Now, could I just ask you a quick question, and I remember exactly where we are, and I'm going to make you give more details. You know, did you, like before this guy bringing it up to you, was, like, had you ever, like, been curious about hooking up a guy,

ever dabbled in watching guy and guy porn or anything like that, or knew that you were slightly interested in it? it at some point? Well, I will tell you this. My very first sexual experience was with a boy. Right. So when you're really young. Very, very, very, very young.

Right, like a place. Camping in his backyard and I look over and he's got a boner and he starts stroking it. Right. I thought, can I touch it? It's like, yeah. And then I realized I had a boner and he said, well, can I touch yours? And next thing you know, we're giving each other hand jobs. Oh my God, yeah.

Yeah. But then I don't know what changed in me. I became this conservative weirdo that, you know, very, I don't know, traditional and like maybe marriage did it to me. I don't know what it was, but it was like, I don't know, judgmental, homophobic. It was bizarre. I don't know where... That's very honest of you. I have another guy that coughed to that too that was on my show. It was ridiculous. Yeah. But interestingly enough, I do thinking back when we went, when I first marriage, I'd watch a lot of porn on my own because my wife, you know, didn't want to do anything.

Yeah. And part of the desire for me, you talk, you mentioned this several times on your podcast. I've been listening to is that, you know, I'm more of a dick-focused by interest, right? Then I'm not, I'm not any interest in a relationship or loving relationship in the male. I just, I just, hey, let's get that dick, you know. Yeah, totally. So, yeah, so that, so fast forward that, right? And then this starts up again. And when we started talking and doing these things with this particular couple,

I find I asked my wife, you know, how do you really feel about this? Because I am enjoying it. I would maybe want to explore this a little bit more. And she's like, yeah, sure, we'll talk about it. So we did a few more things. That relationship ended. That's when we decided let's go into more DTF kind of phase. And eventually we talked more and more.

She just pegged me a few times. I bought some toys. And we just had some open conversations. She said, you know, if you're ever willing to do it, try it and be more serious about it. Let's find some couples on SDC that have bisexual males. And if it happens, it happens. And if it doesn't, it doesn't. Yeah, and I got to say, because I feel like,

because there's still such a stigma for by guys, even in the lifestyle, that a lot of people probably don't put that out there. But I would assume, because I know, because I do my show and I have people come on here anonymously, that there's so many guys in the lifestyle that are fucking into it. So I would assume that a lot of people are stupid to not put it out there, because I assume that when you put it out there,

it's not like you got nobody hitting you up, okay? Because there's tons of guys out there that are into it. Come on. Well, that's what's happening. I'm finding profiles where the men are listening is by, and I'm not. Just because I do have some friendships. Oh, you don't list.

You don't list as by it. I'm one of those closeted. Oh, my God. You just, you just, okay, so yeah, okay,

but you said we were going to go on SDs. Oh, so what you did was you were looking for the people that said they were by as opposed to putting yourself as by. Yeah, yeah, and you know if I was,

wait, no, but if I was talking to those guys, they'd be like, yeah, you know how many guys are hitting me up and on their profile doesn't say that they're by.

Of course they do. Yes. And one of them, for example, we had a lifestyle for swap, right? And he uses this app to track all of his sex that he has.

I thought, I'm a math person, mathematics degree, etc. So I'm like, oh, tell me about your app. So he happened to show me and he pulls up the calendar version of it and has icons for the kinds of sex that you're having on a given day. And there are a lot of these asteris. And I thought, oh, what's the asterisk? He said,

he's straight on the profile. He said, that's where my wife pegs me. She pegs me on those days. and like, well, that's half the calendar. We have other sex, too. But I do enjoy getting pegged. And I said, well, I'll be honest with you. I've been thinking about exploring.

And eventually, you know, that went a little further. And we eventually had some experiences together. Wow. I think I told you that we decided, all right, let's stop talking about finding this other male or male couple or whatever. And let's just go to a takeover. And I knew there were going to be a couple of guys at the takeover. so I said, hey, we're going. This would be my first experience, real intentional experience with a male.

Are you interested? So we set up a date for Friday night at the takeover, and then we set up a date for Saturday at the takeover. With a guy that was, like, signed up. And I'm going to give up my code. I'm just going to say that, like, SDC, I did partner up with them, and you can get a free trial, use my code 37712, or go to the description, click on the link,

and you could get a free trial there. And what's great about SDC or even Cassie, any of the lifestyle things is they, The reason why you knew that those people are going to be there is because you find out about the hotel takeovers at a site like that, right? And then you could see the list of the people that are going, right? Absolutely. Look at their profiles, the pictures. You can set for the personality.

You can message them. Yeah, it's great. It's a great app. I love it. It's a great way to connect. So we found these two different couples by males. One of them happened to be the couple we had played with before and we learned that he liked to be pegged. So I said, listen, you know, we're going to be there.

Maybe Saturday night. Maybe we can finally experiment as the. and the foursome with the men participating. Sure, we'll see you Saturday night. So I set up a different experience on a Friday for my first ever intentional male experience, right, where my wife was there to support me. We're all going to have a foursome and when the males could do whatever they wanted to do, right? So I have no interest in kissing a man, zero, right?

So their door opens, he's buck naked on the other side of the room. What do I do? I walk across the room and I start kissing. Oh, good. I'm glad. because I was going to say. Well, you know, and my wife afterwards was like, what did you think about kissing a man? I said, you know what?

He's a really good kisser. No interesting kissing men. I just didn't enjoy kissing him. Oh, you didn't? Okay, that's good to know. But you tried it. That was the irony. Yeah, yeah.

I'm glad. You know, that's cool of you. Yeah, well, you know, the idea now is that as we have grown and we've opened ourselves to each other and our communication, etc. It's this, you know, it's about us living our best life and having experiences that we want to try. and we want to do things. Yeah. And by the way, try them a couple of times, make sure you don't like them. So I've kissed one man.

I may kiss another, but it was fine. I kissed him a long time. And then when I was done kissing him, I look over his wife's showering. And can I get in a shower with her and clean up too? So I got in a shower with a wife and we made out in the shower. And then I come back out of the shower and I said, you're ready for your blowjob? He's like, what the fuck is going on here? Because I was the aggressor, right?

I was the new guy. So it was like I had a plan. I had to kiss. I had to suck. You know, I just had to get things done to make sure. that I was going to do them. You wanted to take control. Well, I just felt that was how I was going to get through it, that I felt I'm more confident.

If I just knew it, I told my wife that, you know, we're just going to have to rip the Band-Aid off. And Dan, I'd write him with the Band-Aid. I thought I got a little skin in hair when I rip it off of them. But anyway, so we didn't do any anal things at that point, but we, a lot of blowjob making out between them. And eventually, I got to a point, I felt overwhelmed with the moment. And they were really kind of beautiful people because I said, you know what? We're all about to have sex, but I'm kind of overwhelmed with what I had just experienced with the male that, you know, I think I need to break. You guys are done anything wrong.

We'd see them again. They'd see us again. It was just like, and they were like, you know what? We get that. That's your first time. Oh, good for you. You know, it's very supportive. It's very supportive.

And you did see them again. Oh, well, no, we haven't yet. That was just in May. So we're, we call ourselves kind of a casual swing. We'll play maybe once or once a month. rarely twice a month. Right. And since the next night, we had another date that counts almost as time.

Anyway, so we had a good time with them. We saw him the next day. He came over and hugged me and it felt a little too intimate in a hug. So I got a little, you know, just like the first blowjob. I got a little like, oh, my God, why did I do that? You know, but I got over it quickly because I know we had that date that night. So what's really interesting about the fellow that with the Friday, I'll call him the Friday night fellow is that, you know, he had a distinct odor.

bad odor, but I mean his cologne or perfume or whatever he was wearing, right? Yeah. So, so fast forward to two weeks later, I'm putting on my own geodorant and damned if it wasn't the same shit that he was wearing because every time I put it on, that guy's mind would pop up and his dick would pop up in my mind. It's like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. And where I'm going, this fella is like, follow me around and, you know. And the experience and reminding you of the experience.

Yes. It was reminding me the experience. Of course. It was a great experience. It was a fantastic first time. They didn't pressure me to do anything. It's like he could have basically said I want to, you know, fuck you in the ass. I probably would have said yes, but he was not pressuring.

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So we had a very windy dinner at a rooftop restaurant that was. We're all laughing how disastrous that was. And we said, well, you know, let's just come back to our room and we'll have a good time. Well, we get to our room in the Florida summer air conditioning is out. It was like 90 degrees in there. So we're four hot, slippery bodies rolling all over each other, but it didn't stop us from having sex. So anyway, we eventually meet with them a few more times. And as I said earlier, I discovered that he's tracking his sex and all these little asterisks. And we had said, okay, you're interested.

So maybe we go to the takeover. If you're interested, let's experiment. So the life is very sensual and shows desire for others very well. My wife needs that for any experience. So when we walked in, she just came to my wife and they started making out. It's the hottest thing I've ever seen two women that were very much into each other, having a great time. So eventually he and I, just, the traditional swing or story, the men watch for a little while. And then the men decide, you know, they've had it enough, they get naked.

And I look over and he's got a hard on. I said, are you doing this? He said, yeah. So I started giving him a hand job, stroking him while we're watching. So it was really dumb, like we're watching a football game stand in the stadium, making beer, watching two women. make out and I'm stroking his dick and I said laid out time for a blow job so again I'm the aggressor I'm driving this thing and which I was planning on just letting him the more experienced person do it but whatever

and I gave him a blowjob for a while and really enjoyed it was much better because I was much more comfortable just like the last time you know I told you when my wife gave the second blowjob it was better because we knew what to expect it was he was really responsive he's you know if he was enjoying himself, he'll let me know. And, you know, everybody wants a lover that's like that, right? Yeah. So he eventually started blowing me, which was nice to be reciprocal, and he was very, very good at it. I think men give great blow jobs. And what the beauty of this is, once we had had this experience together, then the four of us all started mingling. And a lifestyle swap where it's just a full swap between two men and two women is out of this world. It's a great experience, a lot of fun. But when you have four

people that don't give a shit about what body parts are touching what body parts and you could just have a blast. We did. I mean, yeah, that's what everybody says. There's no boundaries. It's like the opposite end of the spectrum of that first awkward, you know,

a soft swap you had. There's zero boundaries. Everything is a yes. So there's no stopping. And a heterosexual full swap, if a man's got his penis and your wife, you can't reach over and touch your wife's clit and start rubbing it because he'll freak out because you might be within two inches of his dick.

Oh, my God. Exactly. And I was never that way. I mean, even if there was no bisexual things going on, if you want to touch something, touch it. Let's have some fun. And so we had a great, great, great, great, great, great time with them. They were, again, we had several experiences of them before,

and we all realized afterwards how much better our experiences were together because we were all willing to just do whatever we all wanted to do in any given moment. We have another couple that we see from time to time, and you could tell she she's pegged him but they don't really talk about that she's pegged him but you know she's pegged him. How? Because she's got the strap

on and the equipment and she got hints that it's happened and he's like I know nothing. He's like Sergeant Schultz in the interesting. Hogan's heroes. I know nothing, I see nothing, but yeah, you've had it, you've had it. And but she, you know, when she's giving me a blowjob or head or something, she goes right

to the assholes, finger in the butt. First time a woman had ever done that and she's giving me a blowjob when she put her finger in my ass and I'm like, she's like, how do you feel about that? I said, you need to keep doing and wiggle your fingers some more. I loved it. It's a great time. Yeah.

So there's been a few other experiences on the lifestyle about that. Similar things, you know, where, you know, one woman's willing to touch you in certain places or do certain things. And it's, so it's, that's, it's, I can't describe how much better it feels to have somebody playing with your ass while you're either fucking or sucking or doing something. It's wonderful. I'm addicted to it. Do you guys go to, that couple, that initial, the original couple who got you into the swinger lifestyle, do they, are, is that guy by him? I mean, you blew him once, right? Isn't that how it kind of started?

Well, that's, that's the last story I'm going to tell you because that's not, that's not the next story, but that's, we just had, we just had a recent experience with them where it all came full circle. And I, and some, you know, he, give you the heads up, he eventually decided that he wanted to try more buy things. some of those drunken escapades the girls would dare us to suck each other's dick and we would but it would be like so stupid it was just like yeah little bit ridiculous teenage bullshit but then recently he decided you know what I'm going to try some more stuff

if you want me to jump to that I can tell you there's other stories in between but anyway so he eventually said well I want you to put your dick in my ass and I said we were it was just this last weekend actually we're over there to just maybe do some skinny dipping in their pool.

And he's like, well, you know what? I've wanted somebody to put a dick in my ass. Would you do it? And look at my wife. His wife is like, yeah, sure, we did that. So the way that worked again, the girls were playing. And because they were about to play, I thought, you know, if he and I are going to do something, I thought ahead,

I brought this strap on. And I said, you know, if we're going to be doing this, then the wives need to be doing it too. So my wife strapped on and fuck his wife for a little while. And he was fascinated watching that. That he just bent over and said, put it in my ass while I watch your wife fuck my wife. Wow.

And so it was, you know, it was actually, it was a better experience that I thought it was. I mean, I'm more of a bottom. I guess I would call myself a switch, but a verse or whatever, but I definitely prefer to be at the bottom. I found it pleasant. It was, you know, if you want to know about the feeling, I mean, pussy's 10 times better than an asshole, but. It is? Yes, absolutely.

I just, I don't, you know, that's why I say I'm not really top. It's like it was fine. It felt good. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you have a condom on, which, you know, that also makes it duller, but I'm sure I would never do that without a condom. But so it kind of dulls the pleasure for me a little bit, but I was doing my thing. I mean, we took it slow. He eventually asked me to fucking proper, which I did.

We did that for quite a while. I sucked his dick a few times. And he was very, you tell he was nervous because he didn't touch me or blow me. He would have, but he was nervous. Oh, interesting. Yeah. We eventually decided, you know, that his wife started fucking my wife and we're still doing things. He went over and eventually said, okay, I can't take it anymore because this is my, you know, doing it the first time.

It is an experience that you don't want to last a long time. But he, so he goes over and he enters his wife from behind while she's fucking my wife. And eventually he said, hey, I think we should DVP. And my wife is, by that time, it's tapped out. She had been fucked properly. Regularly. And she's like, yeah. properly and regularly and by three people right so she's like oh you know what uh you know i'll just watch

and so i laid down the other wife got on me cowgirl and uh laid on my chest and then he came in behind her and fucked her and that was really a great feeling having his deck grab against my dick inside of her tight little pussy it was just amazing how was it for your wife she was i looked kept looking over at her and she was smiling like a chestyard cat she would come over and she would touch him and touch his chest and back and ass and she'd kissed the other woman and rub her breasts and kiss her suck her tits and stuff and she was rubbing

her hands all over us. So she was kind of like the hands bringing us all together and bonding us all together, cheering us on. She was enjoying the show. I mean, it was fantastic. And then he eventually finished in his wife when the DVP right? And it's like, I can't believe

if I just came and I'm still inside of her and she sets up and starts writing me. And I look her with my wife. I said, are you okay with this continuing? Because we play together, and if she's not going to play, I'm not going to play. But she's like, no, keep going. This is sexy as hell. Right.

So she fucked me and Cal Girl for a little while, and I picked her up, and later on the couch and fucked her. Eventually, I just realized, hey, I didn't think I was going to finish because after a while, if you keep putting it off, putting it off, it's hard. But it's like for something just drove in me, I had to finish her because her come, his cup was just dripping out of her. and just was plucking a pussy that had come in it is just that was just amazing it just took the sex

and I don't know you can't explain the loob and the softness and smoothness whatever. Yeah, now a lot of people are into it. I think they called sloppy seconds. Slop and I'm telling you I had no problem with the sloppy seconds Yeah, that sounds worse than it is right? Well, it's heavenly second

It's exactly, yeah. So I eventually said, you know what? I think I could come so but I only know If I'm having trouble coming, I even have my wife get into prone. So I had her lay on her belly and I entered her from behind and I just start going back to town. And I kept on and ask him to come over so I could suck his dick and get some of that come off of it. But I never did. It's the regret from the night.

But eventually I finished inside of her. And it's like, it was just amazing end to the night. We had a great time. Yeah, that sounds like in a crazy night. And that was going to be your last story. You had other stories before that one, but this was a great one. because you know in other these stories I've told you whether I bought them I told you I think I want to be a bottom yeah yeah boys and my wife has pegged me so and I knew I was I've always knew that I would

taught but it'd have to be asked to be taught so you know being a good friend I did my business right yeah but the but the so after the hotel takeover I I said oh yeah I definitely need to have that experience where I could bottom and we have a couple of of of the SDC searches we've been doing with trying to connect with this couple for ever oh my god it's just a bit impossible well, their schedule, our schedule. They play separately. We don't. So the wife would be available, but not the husband or the husband available, not the wife.

So we weren't interested in that. We like being, we're a team sport. We like watching each other, have sex. We like having sex with each other. We like in front of people, watching people. We like it all, right? Yeah, sounds like it. If it's not a four way, we're not doing it.

Anyway, so they eventually found some time, hey, we got a Saturday afternoon, you know, come see us. We'll have some good, we'll have a good time. So we go over and we never talk it on the way down. I said, well, you know, this guy, I know he likes to top. And so if this is going to happen, this might be the time for me to be topped. And we talked all the way down about how I really felt about it. Was I ready for it? Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Really excellent. All the communication you really have to have in a relationship. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And because we're swingers, we also have it even better because we're talking about everything. Exactly. And we get down.

he's fully dressed but the wife's in a robe she's ready to get business apparently they had a date that night and they wanted to get it over with so hilarious but you know what it was like what is a date to them like another hookup I don't we didn't know I mean all pride other people's business I mean part of the thing kind of one of the rules is it's okay to mention whether you're playing with other people but I really give a lot of details so yeah I get frankly I was there to get fucked so I didn't really give it down of course no I just didn't know if date meant something different. But anyway, they were having a date with you guys too, probably.

Well, but you'll be a day date with us. I think this sounded more family-oriented dinner kind of called nut lifestyle kind of thing. But I will tell you, this couple, both of them are Bifurious. You know, we traded pictures and

the videos. My stuff looks like it's out of a Disney movie and their stuff looks out. It's out of Hustler magazine. It all has sex and naked people in it. But they, you know, I don't how many videos I've got that of that guy fucking some another male on the ass or some man coming really face or chest yeah they they were really into the by scene they love the by scene and very open about it very that was what appealed to me is that I could go there and and

you know I keep it okay so listen this is you know this is I wasn't supposed to meet with them I was supposed to meet with them before I ever did the hotel takeover or any of this last experience I told you that we just had this last weekend yeah they were supposed to be my first right, first male intentional topping or bottoming or sucking or whatever. It just never worked out. So eventually we finally got the date with them and it was like, oh my God, we're finally meeting these folks. And it was worth the way. Oh, hell, yeah.

I mean, we're, you know, the usual, we're all the women played a little bit. But this became more about us, the men. The women didn't play as much eventually, but they watched more because I think they kind of knew that this was going to be something new for me to get to be bottomed. because we said, I'm interested in open to being bottom, it's just going to depend on how I'm feeling at the moment. They're like, okay, we're no pressure. So again, sucking cocks, hand jobs. He, I don't know what the guy's got a magic dick or not,

but he fucked my wife twice and made her come both times. She rarely comes in a lifestyle. Oh, really? Yeah, she said, it's something about the way his body touched her body. I mean, like, you know, the anatomy was enough that his mom's, right, the area above his penis was just slapping into her clinton just the right way and just made her explode. It was the hottest fucking thing. You were saying she really enjoyed it so much so that she said,

can I get in the swing and you can do it again? Right. So she got the swing and they fucked again and she came the second time and she was like that point like, okay, I need a break. I've been messing with the wife fucking her and blowjops and going down on her, etc. So eventually it's like, he's like, are you going to get in the swing? And so they have Obviously they have a sex swing

I get in there And a great picture of me You're in the swing He's gonna fuck you while you're in this way My wife gets out of the sex swing After having a second But how are you in it Like laying down with your legs like

Up on top Yeah so I'm laying on my back Okay Just like any woman would be in the sex swing Right okay same way right Okay yeah I can do just to hide a little bit Because of my anatomy versus her anatomy But anyway they

And so he said You know So he lived up Condoms everything right, we always play safe in this way. And he said, are you sure? And he took it very slowly, which is perfect. But dude had

a fat dick, I'm telling you, I thought, there's no way that thing's getting in the... But I tell you, I play with some toys, right? Toys are fun. Yeah. And whatever. Nothing beats the real kids. I know. That's why guys that are intimidated by their girls using toys, sometimes that they have the weird issues with it. It's like, it'll never

take over for the real thing. You know what I mean? At all. It's a, it's like, apples it's not you can't even compare we love toys I mean toys I mean I've been trying to you know if I've been fucking my wife for 30 minutes and I haven't been able to make her come fuck yeah I'm grabbing the rose yeah exactly it's fucking fun matter of fact I can keep fucking her and it's going to feel better to her than if I was not using in the first place I don't give a shit well you guys are like the poster children of like you live your fucking life have fun you know what I mean you're all about that's what we're doing right exactly so this this guy gets but

behind and it's you know i it being it's just fat that's all i mean so i thought because i played with some toys and i thought oh that i could feel the stretch right but whatever and so he slowly pops it in it's almost like a pop

that's not a bad pop but just a you can just like oh it just you could tell the head made it in my ass i'm like oh that's not bad at all it's so much better there's no that discomforting stretchy feel when you first started stretching your ass and all that and so he just moved very slowly

took his time, very patient. Really, again, it's hard to say kind. It makes it sound, I don't know, emotional, which it wasn't. But it was just, he just knew he was doing something for the first time, and he wanted to make sure I had a great experience. And eventually, he was just let me have it. It was awesome. He went.

How is it on the sex swing with his big fat dick? Oh, it's probably the best way to do it because the angles were perfect. Yeah, yeah. He got deep. He probably got too deep because I think he was, it was a little, when he would get all the way in, it would hit my spot. And eventually, because I'm a researcher. Yeah.

I'd look it up. It's probably a sigmoid bend on your anus. He probably went too far and was starting to pop into that thing. And it kind of felt uncomfortable? It felt uncomfortable. But it wasn't enough to where I'd say stop what you're doing. Of course. I'm just like, hey, don't go so deep.

Yeah. But, man, I wish he would have come. He was using trimix. It's hard to come when you're using trimix. So he fucked me good. And I loved it. I'm hooked. You're a total bottom.

I'm a total bottom. I mean, like I said, I'll top if you want me to, but when I've done, you better fucking top me because I love it. I just the, I just can't, unless you have experience, you know, but you have, I mean, you've talked, you've toys, you talk about toys and real pieces. I mean, there's just, but in your ass, there's just no difference. I mean, I enjoy toys in my butt, vibrating toys, whatever toys, you name it. I've tried everything.

I've tried the big enjoy fucking metal piece. It's not really that comfortable. Yeah. But a real penis in your ass is amazing. So we have a big fuck-it list now as a result. At least I do. My wife's supportive of it. It's that, you know, I want to make a man come with my mouth.

I want him to come in my mouth. I want to come on me. You know, we wear protection for anal. Actually, every couple we wear protection just for regular sex as well. We have one or two fluid-bonded couples, but most everybody else were. with condoms. But I, you know, I would like, just to have the sensation of having somebody come in my ass, but that'll probably never happen because that's just too far across the

safe threshold for me. Right. Yeah. But we're, you know, I think I'm, my wife has said, sometimes you seem cock drunk now. We, why don't we can't just, let's just, let's just make dates to make dates. And if that happens, it happens. And that's frankly where we're going to do. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're going to, we're not going to start, when we first started, I did, I clicked off all the bisexual male shit. I did not want that experience, right? So that was off. But now,

every search engine, it's on. The couples we meet are interested in it. And you could tell when you're reading the profile, the male says straight, but there's keywords. Like what? Like what?

Oh, okay. I'm open-minded. What's your style? We're open-minded. Parts touch in the dark, you know. Yeah. And there's just subtle little things like that. It says, you know, things bump, things touch, you know.

Yeah. My wife likes seeing everybody have pleasure. Oh, okay. Those are little codes for work. But they can't say, they can't say I like seeing everybody have pleasure. They have to say my wife like seeing everybody. Is that what you do though too? And listen, I will never.

Yeah. And listen, I will, you know, it's not like I think every, listen, I'm anonymous on my own show as well. So what the fuck is, what am I doing? I'm like keeping shit under the rap. So I, there's always a reason for it and I totally understand that you do it. It is interesting though that even in this world, right, that you have to keep it on the deal. Like you said, that's because I have some friends, right? Like you have some friends and you feel like if they knew in the lifestyle, like they would get weirded out.

Right. And we want to meet new friends and I don't want to exclude the friends that I'm meeting because, you know. Because they might think, oh, because you're by, you're going to want to fuck me so we can never have a foursome because you're going to be. be looking on my dick and I'm not into that. All you're going to want is my dick. You don't really want my wife. I don't want that. Right?

So they just don't get it, right? Yeah, makes sense. I don't walk in. I still don't walk into any. We had an experience that was straight and it was like I, not once not even think about wanting to touch him. Yeah. Because I knew that was what's his preference was.

Yeah. They don't think you can respect. You think you're overcoming. Oh, by the way, I might turn you into something that you're not. It's like, what do you? I mean, just because, listen, it's the same thing. It would be no difference if you're talking about like you fucking women. Just because you fuck women.

and you're into women, doesn't mean that any woman's going to walk into the room and you're going to fuck her. You know what I mean? Well, that's, we have these friendly conversations with the people that are out and open is that, you know, they say they're bi-comfortable or by-curious. Well, what is by-comfortable means? Well, I don't have bi-sex with everybody. I said, well, I don't fuck everybody either. So am I heteroconfortable? Because I don't need to like people I like, you know?

Exactly. But we've-buy comfortable. Oh, my God. So the, you want another interesting story. My wife had a DVD experience where I guess I didn't even think about that, that I had a double vage. Double Vagge, yeah. Yes, yeah, double vaginal.

And we were, we actually just went to a happy hour at a speakeasy. And I thought, oh, I know those are lifestyle people over there. So I went over and talked to them. And they said, oh, they're lifestyle people too. And we'll introduce you. So we, because the first couple we recognized were there to meet some absolute newbies. So we got that experienced couple. They're meeting some absolute newbies and they pointed out this other very experienced lifestyle couple.

So we all four couples all start getting together. And we turns out the last couple, the experienced couple I mentioned last, they were there to meet a male for a hot wife experience for his wife. And they said, you know, we're kind of ticked off that he's a no-show. We've got a hotel room next door and you guys all want to go, fuck. And of course, the other experienced couple. And we're like, yeah, sure. I don't even know who these people's names are actually, the newest couple. I don't even know who the fuck there, and I certainly don't know who the newbies are.

But they, so the other couple talks to their newbie friends, which would like to go do this experience. And you can see the wife is this, absolutely, let's go do this. And then the husband, my boyfriend, I think turned out was his boyfriend. But like, okay, I'll go along. But you can tell he was scared to death. So we go up and we have, everybody is just, there's two beds that they, I jump on the bed with the, my wife and I jump on the bed with the couple that we had just met last. other experienced couple came with their date they're on the other bed and they had their their fun over there but they were done in like 10 minutes I don't know if the other guy just

came quickly or what happened but the other wife was just she wanted more sex so she came over and joined us with the male of the experienced couple came over so there's six or seven of us on this bed just all fuck in every possible position and the other wife the the experienced life the let's just call them uh the most experience of the bunch I'm fucking her and she says spit on me spit on me oh my god I said what she said spit in my face

spit on my kids yelling at me to spit on her and I'm like of course as soon as she said it my mouth became a ball of cotton I could not get into it oh my goodness dry heaving on to her it's like I can't spit somebody comes spit on this woman

that's like people trying to pee on people they can't do it it's like against everything you've ever thought of in your head so it's like you can't Eventually, I worked up a mouthful. I gave her some spit, but it was just, it was like, and then she had to try to spit in her mouth. It was just like, that's just not me. But anyway, so while I'm by fucking this woman, I look over and my wife's being split, this spit roasted by the other experienced males.

Okay. And it's just so fucking hot. Oh, God, it was so freaking hot. And just out of nowhere, I said, babe, you want to DVP? And she said, what? You said that? DBP. Yeah, I said DVP.

Okay. Yeah. So, you know, there's a mechanics to DVP. you know, the longest dick on the bottom kind of stuff. Oh, really? It's just, it's just better to have the longer dick on the bottom. Oh, that's interesting. I never heard that.

When we found, well, just, it just mechanically just, because what happens is you can't get quite as deep as the guy coming in from behind, so you want to be a little longer to be able to stay in. Okay. That makes sense. Anyway, all right. So, again, I get on the back and she writes me a cow, actually, actually, you know, he's a longer dick. So he lays down on this on the bed. She gets on a cowgirl and she said, are you?

And it also helps that the partner that you know and trust the most is coming from behind because some of these women, you know, my wife does not want anything in her ass. Yeah. So she doesn't want a stranger trying to do a DVP and accidentally slip on her ass. Of course. She's agreeing because I'm going to be the one behind. So he lays down, condomond. And she's riding him. I'll let her ride for a little while because now she's riding him, cowgirl, the other guy that was getting his dick sucked where they were spit roasting still wants his dick suck.

So she's sucking his dick while they're fucking. and eventually I position and slide into her. And same thing, it was just like, that was just amazing. And it was my turn to be the premature ejaculator. I must have lasted about three minutes because it was so freaking hot feeling him rub against me and inside of her. Yeah. And seeing her suck him and kiss the other guy and him squeezing her tits and this other woman. Now it's two other women.

They're just kind of touching our bodies all over, everybody that's, so it's now, what, the three, four of us that were fucking in the other two women. and we're just touching us. And it was just mind-blowing. Your wife, like, how do I get your wife on this show? She's shy. She's shy. Yeah, tell her. I'll ask all the questions.

I'll lead her. She just have to, like, answer questions if she's down. I mean, listen, we got to, listen, you're, like, one of the best storytellers. I didn't have to, like, say a fucking word through this whole thing. You know what I mean? And you got, I mean, it's like you act as if you're casually doing things. But I guess it's over six years, but, like, it sounds like you've, you've fucking been there done a lot, you know, in the time that you guys have been playing for

sure. Yes. And we're picking up. I mean, we've been to Hito now. We've been to, you know, we've been to, we've been to, we've only been to Hito once. We've been to Desire once, but I tell you if I had to go back, I would go to Hito. How come? And we've been to secrets, too. Okay. Why is Hito the best? Desire is pretentious. Okay, good to know. I mean, fine, you have high income. You're, you know, successful, blah, blah, blah, blah. But you know what? We're all here to be naked and just drink and have fun and have sex. And maybe not even drinks.

Is it more expensive? Like, why is the high income people there? Is it a little more like a five-star hotel? Well, the grounds are just absolutely gorgeous. They're just impeccable grounds. The rooms inside are, and Hito are inside identical. Once you're in the room, identical. Oh, interesting.

So it's not even like great. But everything else, everything outside of it is just desire is fabulous. It's gorgeous, beautiful. Beautiful. The people are nice. It's much more laid back, less in your face. It's a lot of people walking around naked and then, you know, it seems like every four o'clock, five o'clock in the afternoon, people have gotten, and this is my characterization of it, but they've gotten drunk enough to get in the hot tub and start fucking. Yeah, yeah, of course. And so people are naked all day long and there's sometimes you're making deals for the night. I get that. But then it's, you know, there's a routine about desire in five o'clock. Everybody's in a hot tub. You'll see sex. That'll be over about seven o'clock. Everybody go back to the room and clean up. And then you go to do. dinner and then dancing and it's just every day's the boom boom but boom whereas he'd always just you had never knew what to expect I mean we're everybody's naked in the pool we stayed on the nude side there's a nude and a prude side you have to be naked on the nude and prude side you have to be

naked yeah at Hito on the nude side you have to be naked anyway oh interesting I know really oh yeah it was so casual I mean we're we're sitting in a talking to pool with these people we've never met before we know them by the you know I remember Jersey girl because I know you're a Jersey girl we're talking to her and as I'm talking to her my wife's talking to him she's smacking him on the ass and I'd look down I didn't have to look down I knew what she was doing she was just stroking my dick while I'm talking to her about Benahito what do you like to do you're going on the boat tomorrow I mean it's like it's like a handshake of course then you look across the pool and there's a couple that he's setting on the

he's setting on the edge of the pool and she's laying with her back to him in between his legs and then it seemed like every 30 minutes it was like an alarm went off she would turn around and she would blow him for five minutes and then turn back around and watch the crowd. All fucking day long. Eventually we went to dinner with him and said, what's that about? She likes giving blow jobs

and I don't want to get a finish because I would say when it was still at the pool. If she finished me, I'd want to go back to the room and take a nap. She just sucks me when she is inspired and we just sit here and enjoy the pool. And she's very inspired a lot of times. All day long, I'm telling you.

Every 30 minutes, it was like a freaking alarm went off in her head. I got a second stick. So the first is with the desire, right? What's the second? The second place we went was... No, no, no. I'm saying, what is the first one that you recommend, that you like the best? And then rate the three.

In this order. I would go to... I would go to Hito. Oh, Hito first right. Sorry, yeah. Relaxed, comfortable, open. No pressure. None of these places have pressure. But it was just free. It just felt freeing. I felt like that, you know,

if I was going to describe the old. hippie experience. This would be the place that I would go. Yeah, it's total hedonism. It might. If you want to fuck on the side of the pool, you're fuck on the pool. If you want to take somebody back to your room and fuck them there, you want to fuck them on the beach. It doesn't matter. It wasn't just about the fucking, but I mean, when you're talking, I don't think I talk to any woman or any woman talked to me or my husband talked to any man or talked to her, that some body part wasn't being touched or stroked. Not always that a sexual way, but you know, you touch somebody's arm when you're talking to them. Yeah. Well, it's got to touch you in their arm. I'm touching her

tits. Right. You know what I mean? It was just the same kind of conversation. Just, it was just so open. And where desire is a little bit more beautiful. I would go back there. I don't know.

It was, it would just not be my first place to go back. Yeah. And he, a secret is as close to you that we have been able to find. And we don't have been to a lot of other places other than it. We live in Pascoop County, Florida, which is not enough to tell anybody who I am. Okay. We actually have more nudist and.

sex clubs in this county than anywhere else. Well, isn't that just Florida in general? You could just say Florida. And people would be like, oh, yeah, I heard about that. Is it Florida known to be like the Swinger capital of the world? Well, it is. And I happen to live in the Swinger. Capital of the capital?

Yeah, yeah. Oh my God. Good to know. So Secrets is a party. And we thought we wanted to be in the middle of the party just like we were at Hito. And Hito, we stayed away from the pool and all the action because we want to be able to rest. Well, secrets, we want to be in the middle of it. We're only here a weekend. Let's get in it.

Yeah. So we get a room. We didn't realize it was right over the loudspeaker for the music that they play from 8 a.m. to 2 a.m. at the volume. Oh, God. At 1 o'clock in the morning, I'm like, I got to sleep. Jesus Christ. Yeah, I'd be fucking all day.

I've got to go to sleep. Yeah. And so I would go back there, but, you know, I would stay on an outside room or away from the action because you do need to rest. We had a great time in secrets. Like I said, it's as close to Hito as you can get. If you want to do something by the pool, you can. A lot of places, you know, there's no public sex or nudity that, or there is nudity,

but you can't have sex. But secrets you definitely can do whatever you want, anywhere you want. And that's what Hito's like. I love it. I can't believe what you guys have done. I mean, looking back like in, you know, because you started all of this stuff way later in life, you know what I mean? Like, would you ever believe that you'd be doing all this shit now?

you know, 20 years ago? I'd say between 20 and 55, I was a homophobic, ridiculous, uptight asshole. Yeah, interesting. Could I ask you a quick question about that? Because a lot of times people will be like, oh, yeah, like, you know, that homophobic sort of tendency is coming from a place of maybe like they're gay, right? Like, that's what they're kind of like into. Like, how did that homophobia show up in you?

Like, did you, like, you know, outwardly say, like, derogatory things about it? Were you, like, so anti it? Where, but it was probably because you loved it? Like, I mean, how did it show up for you? You know, watch it. It wasn't, I was, I'm not, I would describe it this way. You know, you're in, you know, media today, you know, if you're, if there's a TV show or a movie or something, there's a gay person. Yeah.

Or some bisexual experience. Yeah. Well, you know, when I was 30, 40 years ago, you know, it didn't happen. But when it happened. I'd say, does every show have to have a gay sex in it? Yeah. You know, I didn't mind that they were having gay sex. And by the way, if it was two women doing, I had zero problem.

Yeah, hypocrite. What a fucking hypocrite. I was such a hypocrite. Yeah. The guys were, it's like, oh, fuck, you know. Yeah, that's a sad thing. Yeah, about guy and guy action. I was watching porn.

Yeah. At the same period of time, I'm watching porn. I'm like, oh, man, look at that dick. That fat dick go into that pussy. And I think about it. It was like I was very interested in what the dick was doing to the pussy. I enjoy the pussy. Isn't that interesting?

Yeah. It is. Yeah. I mean, that's why I said. It was narrow-minded, shallow, hypocritical asshole. Yeah. So how many other homophobes out there are going to be sucking dick maybe 20 years from now?

You know what I mean? Or maybe they're sucking dick at the same time. I know there are some that are doing it. Yeah. And that's what I'm always here to say on my show. And that's why I feel like it's so crazy that like even you, when you were in that stage of your life, like girl-on-girl-girl-action was fine,

even though you're phobic, right, to gay sex. It's only for men, right? Not for women. And it's like, it's so crazy that it still exists for guys and there still are guys. And it's just, it's really a sad weird thing. Especially because it's not like there's no by guys out there. Like if there's a spectrum of totally homo and totally hetero, most people fit somewhere in the middle. You know what I mean?

And so many guys are open just as much as women are, you know, but they can't cop to it. They can't admit it and it's sad. And that's why I love, like, having stories like yours on and all the other guys that call in and cop to the fact that they are into it, you know, because I think it helps promote, you know, the fact that this is something that exists and there should be no stigma anymore. It's, like, ridiculous. Well, I think I would be doing this. We'd have probably done this earlier in this relationship.

Yeah. But I was, I'm very protective of this relationship. If my wife is not happy, because it's so. important and so valuable to me. Of course, yeah, right. That even when we were doing these little early experiments, I mean, I was, did you really feel about this? So only recently after the, the takeover, because remember, that was when I really did

anything with attention. I said, really, listen, now that we've had those two experiences, one right after the other, how do you really feel about that? She's like, well, I don't want to do it all the time. Exactly, yeah. But why are we doing the swinging? Why are we having swaps? And she said, we're having swaps to be pleased by the other person.

and to have the other person please us, right? Right. To have desire, to feel desired by the other person, and have the other desire to feel me. She said, if I could be a desirous of a woman and be pleased by a woman and please a woman, why can't you? Exactly.

And I said, are you really believe that? She said, yes, I would say that we're, you're, I don't know, people talk about heteroflexible or this or that. I'd say we're sexual flexible. That's what we are. It doesn't matter. Let's just have fun.

Let's touch. Let's desire. let's give pleasure, let's receive pleasure and all sorts of ways. And, you know, she said, listen, if somebody wants to have anal, now we've got somebody that can give him anal. I won't.

You can't. Oh my God, it's crazy. I would love to have your wife on, by the way, if she wants to come on. If not, it's totally fine. Like, you did such a good job telling your guy's story. I'm assuming she knows you're calling into the show, correct?

Oh, yeah, she's going to listen with you. She's going to listen with you. Because she wants to listen. Okay, good. I love it. So listen, Wifey. If you want to come on. I'd love to get the story from you, but if not, it's fine.

Your husband did such a great job telling your guy's story. And I love your story. You know, you're going to get a link into my Discord. You could go in there, do whatever you want in there. If you want to send me picks for my Discord, for my Patreon, that's totally cool. You know, you're going to get, when this episode goes up, you're going to get a link to my Patreon. So you could see the comments and stuff. So you could see like what other people send in.

But like I always say for Patreon, like rated R picks, nothing X rated. Sure. You'll see Discord is totally X-rated. Are Paci's okay for that? Yeah, yeah, totally. Uh-huh, yeah. But maybe I'll put those, and sometimes I put like stuff if I think it's a little too racy over on Discord, but I have guest picks in both places, so send what you want.

And email to me, email them to me sooner than later, so I know that I have it. So when your episode goes up, I have them if we're going to send them in, okay? Okay, okay. I love your tenacity, Kathy. You are very interesting and fascinating person. Oh, I love that. I love what I do. You know, I mean, I keep adding episodes because, like, I,

could be done with seven episodes by Wednesday because I work all day like anybody else. You know what I mean? That's like my work ethic. I grew up with that kind of work ethic. So that's what I put into my show. You know what I mean? It's and, uh, but I love it. It's very educational without being educational without being in your face. Well, that's what I want. You do. Yeah. Yeah. You're tenacious about and your passion for it. It's just, it's wonderful. It's refreshing. So I appreciate it. That's intentional. And I love that you get that. You know what I mean? And I think sometimes like, you know, my show from the, on the surface doesn't seem like that, right? Because I do very. It's very. It's very. It's

clicky titles. I get people in, but I feel like I'm smart. I do that on purpose. Like, I know how to get the guys fucking in, but I'm giving you a lot more than you think. You know what I mean? Yeah, you get a little Woody, but I feel like I offer so much more. And I feel like it's, you know, it all works. And I love that. And my audience that I have found over these 12 years, like all appreciate it and get that. And I love it. You know what I mean? So, and so thanks so thanks so calling in. This was fun. Sure. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Okay. I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly anonymous confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available,

not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about it on my show, like there's a hot wife story, there's a cuck queen story, there's a cuck story, there's a gang-bang girl story. Like I said, 17 stories, and they're all told in the third person, and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person, and I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over-the-top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But

These are true stories. 17 of them. They're really short. Chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format, and finally, the audio book is available coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint. Okay. There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay, I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there.

Everybody shares content with each other. And that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you can win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total, strictly anonymous community. And you will love it.

I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private, like I said. all you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the ebook, or the paperback. Send it to me at Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com. That's Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com. And I will send you the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in.

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