Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1555 - What Women REALLY Want From Guys & How to Give it to Them w/Marni the Wing Girl

Episode Date: August 15, 2026

Marni called in to talk all about what women really want from guys and how to give it to them. Tune in to hear all the details including how and why “nice guys finish last” isn’t necessarily true and what kind of guys actually finish last, how guys become like that and what women really want instead, the three things women dig most about guys, how men can get past their fear of rejection and approach anxiety, how she got into the Pickup Artist community and became one of the first women in the space, the good and bad of the most famous pickup artists and why she’s actually a fan of some of their tactics, how she feels about Andrew Tate, the steps she takes to help men get their game back after a divorce or break up, how she helps men reconnect with their partners when they’ve lost that connection, how and why what’s a fire for a woman isn’t necessarily a fire for a man and how to get him to realize it, how and why men are sometimes judged unfairly and what women need to understand about them, plus a whole lot more. https://winggirlmethod.com GET A COPY OF THE STRICTLY ANONYMOUS BOOK! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY HERE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  or Pre-order audiobook version ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   To see HOT pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show." Want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. All voices are changed.   Sponsors:  ⁠⁠https://shamelesscare.sjv.io/xLQ3Jv⁠⁠⁠ Get $15 OFF Shameless Desire or any other product at Shameless Care ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beduc.at/pd2630-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Click here to take the quiz and  get your personalized SUMMER roadmap to sexual happiness  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://LoadBoost.com⁠⁠⁠⁠- To get 10% off LOAD BOOST by VB Health, use code: STRICTLY   ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Buy 2 months of Bluechew GOLD and get the third month FREE! Use code: STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Follow me! Instagram  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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know how to do it. She totally debunks the whole girls don't want nice guys. We dig deep into that. And she talks about what like nice guy really means and why girls don't like, quote unquote, nice guys. We talk about what girls actually do like and how she teaches guys to do those things or be that type of guy that girls are more attracted to. She says she talks typically and helps, typically guys from 40 to 65. But of course, she's helping all kinds of guys. She even helps married guys. And I, like, this is such a smart thing for all the married guys that are listening to my show that are in sexless marriages or their wife isn't really like that into them anymore. You lost your connection with your wife. She could like help you get that back because she really teaches guys, you know, what women want, how you could like change the game, how to flirt, how to communicate.

We talk about the whole pickup artist strategy. She was one of the first women who actually studied in that world. And she really loved it. and that's what she started working on. She talks about the good people in that world, as well as the people who weren't so great, but she talks about why she liked it and still uses it in her practice.

We talk about so much more on here. I mean, there's so much good information for men to take from her. She's super smart. She's been helping guys since the dawn of time. Like I said, I feel like it's so great that she not only helps single guys. She also helps married guys get back in the game, okay?

The right way. And she explains the whole process as well. Like I said, she's got a free course that you could take, a quick five things that attract women on her website. I'm going to put a link to that. She talks about that at the end. But anyway, I'm going to get right tuned and be right back on with Marnie the Wing Girl. This is the strictly anonymous podcast.

Strictly anonymous podcast. Hi, Marnie. Marnie the Wing Girl. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. How are you today? I'm doing well. I'm being strictly anonymous. I did not have to do my hair or makeup today.

It was lovely. Oh, I know. I know. You're not anonymous on my show, but you're kind of anonymous. I've never done video because I would say 99% of the people are anonymous. You're not. You are very much out there. You're very big on YouTube and on Instagram.

You also have a lot of courses that you have. You put together something called the Wing Girl Method. We'll talk about that. You do your dating coach for men. You're the Wing Girl for guys. guys, right? Like, that's who you're, you're winging it for guys, right? You're the, yes, no, not women. I do not help women, and I don't know how to, but men 100%. Yeah, and don't you think, like, you know, that's who men should learn from, right? And same with women, too, a lot of

times, you know, it really is great to get advice, I think, from the opposite sex, because who else is going to tell you about girls than another girl, right? It's like, I used to have a really hot friend who used to watch sex in the city because he learned so much about women. I'm like, You're a smart dude. Yes, exactly, because you see them in their natural habitat and then you have somebody coding them for you. That's how you learn the most. But I would say if people can have a balance of both, they can get skills and they can

learn from watching other men. And then they have to be selective with the women that they get their advice from. So I'll even say, like, whenever my female friends have real issues with guys that they're dating or even with their husbands, I always say, talk to my husband. He's the one who's going to give you better advice about what that man is thinking. But I think for skills and for what to do, you go to men and you can go to women as well who know what they're talking about. But for the actual insight into what women are thinking that men have no idea about, that's when you go to a woman to get that advice. Yeah.

And you have got, I would assume as a dating coach, you're helping guys, you know, and helping guys like pick up chicks. You're not like pickup lines. It's more about confidence, communication, right? Absolutely. Right. Yeah. But listen, there are tactics and tools that you can use. Same thing with, you know, Dale Carnegie, how to how to make friends and influence people. Like there is a psychology to it of what is going to get you the best results. So in the very beginning with all the men that we work with, we work on them first, their inner game, who they are as men, establish them as like the men they want to be. And then we do give them lines to use as training wheels so that they can get the feel for these lines that actually are said correctly. with confidence in our back by psychology.

And then they let go of the training wheels. They let go the lines. And then they can just use their own style. And that's like, you know, the step-by-step process of what we do. And what kind of, like, you know, what's the demographics of the guys you're, you typically, who are typically coming to you? Are they sometimes younger guys? Are they sometimes guys who are like divorced?

Everything. So, like, I've worked with hundreds of thousands of men, right? And I've sold products to them. We've had coaching with them. And there are guys who are in our program as young as 18 and as, and as old as 85. They're divorced. Some of them have never been in relationships,

never been married before. Some of them have been divorced or been divorced multiple times. A lot of them are now widowed. So we have every type of man under the sun. But I would say our sweet spot right now for our live coaching program is between the ages of 40 and 65. Like that's our very healthy good nook of men who actually want to do some work on themselves

and then do the work to become the men they've always wanted to be. And tell me something. Why do you think now at 40, you know, these guys are looking for help? Is it because they've been married for so long? And now maybe they're back on the market and they have no idea and the world is so different. They have no game anymore. I used to call them Dickless divorcees, you know. Right.

So many of my guy friends, oh my God, out of the divorces, they are like a shell of a man. I'm like, no girl's going to want to fuck you. Yeah. They've been beaten down on their relationship mode. So right, they're in this mode of pleasing women, which is where you get to typically at the end of your relationship. And you've been beaten down because you've been told how shitty you are for a very long period. And ill. And ill.

You've heard ill for a long time. Yeah, it's terrible. Yeah. Exactly. So that's where they are. So I would say there's a big chunk of men who are in that position. A lot of the men who are 40 years old, they're like, oh, I've spent so much time focusing on my career. I've never focused on my love life.

And now I can't need anybody because really I've never known how to do this. How the heck do I do this? And then there's other guys who just, they just don't know how to interact with women in the right way that gets them responsive. They've been super nice. They've been super pleasing. And they come to us as well and we turn their switch on so that they are not the nice guy and Mr. Pleaser. And then everything changes for them. So again, it runs a whole gamut of the guys that we see.

And why don't you like deconstruct the whole, oh, nice guys finish last? Girls don't like nice guys. Like is it really that girls don't like nice guys or is maybe nice guys the wrong term for it? Like what? Oh, it's the nice way to say wimpy. Right. But it's not nice. Right.

No, it's not nice. Like women want a nice guy. They want a kind guy. They want a good guy. And I say all the time, my husband is the nicest man in the entire world. But I'll also tell me when to stop saying something. He'll express his values. He'll tease me like crazy.

And he knows how to take risks with me. So he's not a people pleaser. And I'm attracted to that. So it's not that we don't want someone who's nice. We don't want somebody who's wimpy and who doesn't speak their mind, who isn't more masculine than we are. Yeah, because you hear that all the time, right? And people throw that out there. But I was like, that's not really necessarily true.

Like they're twisting it. You know what I mean? And I do. Well, it's just a nice way to say it because you don't want. Because I just think it's easier to identify yourself as like, I'm a nice guy versus I'm a big freaking whim. because that is what's going on. Because it's trained. They're trained to be that way.

They're not being a wimp because they're choosing to be a whip. They're acting like a wimp because I'm using the correct word because they have been programmed to be that way. They have been programmed to please and appease and they believe that that is going to get them the thing that they want and it bites them in the butt every single time. Where does that programming come from? It comes from their moms. It comes from them being put into schools that have.

mainly female teachers and being told to be quiet and listen and that you are not a good boy if you don't do X, Y, and Z. Many people really heavily take that to heart and they don't break out of that shell. So they're programmed continuously to be nice. And when you're younger, if you are nice, you do kind of get things. You get the good grades. You get the good results in school. You might get your mom to love you at the end of the day if you're quiet and don't speak your mind. So you do get those results. But what it does teach them to do over a long period of time is not be the men that they really want to be, not say the things that they want to say, not do the things that they want to do. And they start suppressing their real personality and put out this facade or this nice guy

mask that they think is what other people want. Right. And they just have no clue. And, you know, and I think they do have some clue. That's the thing. Because they have the clue that what they're doing isn't working and they have the clue that they feel that they're on the outside constantly and not getting the things that they want. But they don't know how to leap to that other space of being the men that they're seeing with women or the men that they're seeing in the office that are getting promotions. They don't, they've never been taught those steps on how to advocate for yourself, how to have strong opinions, how to be a leader, how to speak your mind, how to blurt out things that it's okay to say certain things to women. That's okay to stop women on the street. They've,

they've never had the practice or somebody's showing them that they can do these things or that these things are acceptable in society. Yeah. And like what are the top, I don't know if there's, there's probably like 10, but like what are the top three things maybe that maybe woman really dig in a guy that really turns them on that maybe guys have no clue or they just don't get it. Oh my God. A man who can lead who like makes you feel feminine and itty-bitty. I hate when I am with a guy and right away, I can. I feel more masculine than him, but I can boss him around that I could walk all. You can feel it. I know that you've had this as well. Oh, I'll tell you a funny story. Yeah. Oh, I want to hear the funny story. Because that's a huge thing. When I feel like I have the masculine edge around another man, it makes me feel sad for him. Sadly, it makes me like want to treat him badly. And I feel like I'm also a very nice person, but yet I will still do horrible things to these men. I'll be nice to them at first. And then. and mean. Because you lose respect. You lose respect for them. So that's a, that's a huge one. But I want to hear your story before I go on with the other two. Yeah. My story was I was once, I had this guy I was like with and I really liked him and he was definitely like an alpha to me and I'm

very alpha, right? So I need a guy that's going to, you know, right? And so we're like bike riding together and we're going around Manhattan. I live in the city and we're going down this path that I know. And so I say to him, hey, listen, when we get down to the river, like, you know, just follow me because it changes a lot, and I'll just show you the way that we're supposed to go. And he's like, okay, and we get down to the river, and the minute we get there, he goes right in front of me.

And I'm like, that's fucking hot. Do you know what I mean? Like, he was not going to listen to me. You think he was going to follow me the whole way? Like, this is not that. No. This is the CEO of a Fortune 500 company. He's like, yeah, but then when we got there,

is like, fuck off. And he led the way. He doesn't need to follow me. And that to me was like hot. That's hot. I know. I know that to me is hot too. But sadly,

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And like, that might be a pain in the ass down the road, but in the beginning stages, that is freaking sexy and attractive because he is, what is it, drumming the beat of your own drummer, what is it called? Yeah. Going to the beat of your own drum. You're doing what you want to do. And not that you're disregarding what I want to do, but you're saying that your opinion still matters. You're not bending over backwards to please and appease me.

Right. And yeah, and there's definitely a fine line to everything that you're talking about. What are a couple other things besides that one? Okay. So I said what I said before, being masculine. Yeah, totally. Being a leader, like what you were talking about. So like there's lots of men who will say, oh, I don't know, what do you want to do?

Or here, you pick a plan. A man, like, I think this is the sexiest thing. My husband just makes plans. Not all the time, but he does. And in the very beginning of us dating, he always was like, I have a plan for our date. This is what we're doing. Obviously, I could have input if I wanted to. But he led the entire evening.

He knew where it was going and knew where he wanted it to go. And I liked being around that energy. I am also an alpha, an alpha, female. But I like to be led by a capable man, not by a willingly wishy-washy man, but by a capable man who, like, has a plan, who knows how to walk into restaurants and put his hand on the small of my back when we walk in and lead me through a restaurant, who knows some of the people at the restaurant and says hi, who has a plan for us after dinner of where we can go to. I think that's the sexiest thing in the entire world. So a man who leads is extremely

attractive. And the other thing is a man who can say what he wants to and doesn't worry about whether or not I'm offended or if I disagree with him. So there's a lot of guys that I work with who know how to agree with the things that the women are saying and not really add onto a conversation. And that becomes extremely boring over the duration of a date or potentially a long-term relationship. If you're with somebody who's always saying nothing and not adding any value to a conversation, not even ruffling feathers in any way to debate to you or challenge the things that you're thinking, that's boring and unattractive. So many nice guys tend to fall into this category because they don't want to ruffle feathers. So being able to speak your mind,

extremely powerful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I can imagine. I mean, you know, listen, conversation goes a long way with every woman, right? I mean, that's key. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like, I'm doing this webinar in a couple of weeks. That's about the nice guy mask and the nice guy loop. And it is a mask that guys put on, right? This nice guy mask is it's not really them. It's not really their personality. It's what they think a woman wants or what they think will get them what they want. And this mask covers up everything about them. And don't you think it's the same for these really nice women that you meet too? A hundred percent. Yeah. Oh yeah. No one's not nice all the time. Yes, exactly. I remember my friend in college. She's like, don't trust people who smile all the time.

Because you've got something, and it's true, if you're smiling all the time or happy, I'm like, what the hell is going on in your personal life? It's not real. It's not real. And like even more so now, especially with AI taking over, real is what we're looking for. And I know we were going to talk about flirting before. But flirting, I believe, in my industry at least, is one of the ways to show that you are not a nice guy. Because flirting involves teasing.

It involves challenging. It involves calling people out. it involves stating your opinion and then challenging her opinion. Like that is everything that is anti-nice guy is flirting. It's not mean and cruel. It's fun and engaging and playful and the kind of like activity that adults want to participate in. But nowhere in there is there the activity of being nice. Right.

Yeah, totally. What about for though? Because I feel like a lot of times the guys that quote unquote nice guys who are trapped in, oh, guys, you know, girls don't like me because I'm too nice, whatever. You know, there's a lot of times they're afraid of even like approaching women. You know what I mean? Like there is that huge fear of rejection. And I sometimes talk to, and I'm sure you have these guys in your thing too.

They're way younger than the 40-year-olds or the like 20, 30-year-olds that have never like had to actually go through the fear of rejection phase because they've just been doing stuff online and everything. They've never put them out in real life, right? because they think too much or whatever, you know, they're just wired a certain way. And so now they're like petrified. They don't have any tools at all to get out into the real world. Anything that you're not exposed to. Exactly. You're not going to have any practice doing.

Yeah. So what are the first steps? Oh, the first step. Okay. So this is how to get over, approach anxiety. You have to first change your mindset around approaching because so many men that I work with, they look at a woman and they're like, she's hot. I want to approach her.

I want to attract her. I want to take her out on date. I want to sleep with her. I'm like, that's way, way too much of an expected outcome and pressure to put onto yourself. So you have to drill it down. And what you actually have to do is reverse it so that you're not thinking about what is this experience going to feel like for her? You have to reverse it so that it's like, what does this experience accomplish for me? So as soon as you change these two mindsets.

And then the first baby step is drilling down your intentions. So instead of looking at her with those huge outcomes I listed before, you look at a woman and you think to yourself, yourself, okay, what do I want in this situation? What I want is to approach that woman, who I think is freaking hot, and see if she's cool. Like, that's it. It's the smallest intention that makes it manageable and doable. And I know that even that still creates so much approach anxiety for people, but you have to push yourself to do it. And if that becomes too intimidating, then you have to drill it down even further and just start approaching random people that you're not attracted to so that you can get over that hump of coming into somebody's

space where you're not invited in and getting over that hurdle and that anxious feeling in your stomach and calming it down. And once you can approach ugly people, then you can approach women, unattractive women, then you can approach more attractive women. You just have to build up your skill set. And that's why working with me or my team is really wonderful. Because the men that we work with, it gives, like, it has them be accountable to someone. We give them these exercises of going out and approaching people. And then they have to do it. They've paid for it, right?

So either they lose a lot of money by never coming back to us and admitting that they didn't do the task. Or they do it. They may not do the 10 that we advise every single day, but they do five in the very beginning. And slowly, as you get over that hurdle, it becomes easier and easier and easier. Because I used to have approach anxiety. And I'm a cute girl. Like, I know we're on the phone. I was like when I started doing yeah you're yeah yeah thank you but like when I was 23 I was the most

uncomfortable girl in the entire world I was nervous I was insecure I didn't I was I was a nice girl right I didn't want to rock the boat I put this nice girl mask on top of my face and I just I pleased people because that's what I thought was easier and that's what I thought was going to make them like me and then I went on a trip to Australia with my best friend and she would walk into a room and she would make a friend in like three seconds and I wouldn't make any friends because I was just like this this cheerleader on the side or this nothing on the side and I decided I wanted to be more like my friend. So in Auckland, New Zealand, I promised myself I was going to become better and get out of my shell. So I went and I approached people on the streets of Auckland.

I went downtown one day and for two hours, my goal was to approach 10 people, not men, not women, just people in general. And it took me two and a half hours, two and a half hours to do because I was so afraid to do it. And then I went back every single day and I would do the same thing. And it got easier and easier and easier. And by the fifth day, I had knocked out the 10 people in like seven minutes because it's a skill set. All of these things are habits and skills, right? But because our nerves get in the way, it's.

stops us from doing things that we can be trained to do and can be trained to handle. So once you can get that mindset a little bit better, to just say, I'm not hurting myself, I'm not putting myself in danger, I'm doing this for me, right? That glowers your anxiety and let's see what at least get over that hurdle to do what you need to do. And then with the approaches in place of doing 10 every single day, again, starting off at ugly people or people you're not attracted to, it helps you get over that. hurdle slowly and surely. And that's with any fear, right? I mean, that's like a real, that's like a

tactic that, you know, people use for any kind of fear. It's exposure therapy. Yeah, exactly. The more you avoid a fear, the worse it gets. And the only way to get- Yeah, because you build it up in your head. Yeah, the only way to get over it is to go into it. And there's no way after you do it 20 times and it's not going to, it's not going to start releasing. You know what I mean? It's a, it's a fact. It's pretty simple. But it's hard. It's hard. It's so hard. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't want to downplay that it's not is hard. That's why you comment to play. It's paralyzing.

Yeah. For some people, it is paralyzing. Yeah. That's sometimes why you need help. Yeah, the first step is always the hardest. That's why I think it's so great that nowadays with social media and podcasts, like we could all know that there's people like you out there. People could go and get the help right and the push that they need because a lot of times

it's very hard to do these things yourself, especially out of the gate. If you've been, I haven't done it forever. You know what I mean? And also the other nice part about my program or about podcasts or just about all the information that we have out there is that you realize, oh my God, I am not the only person who has this issue. There's like 300,000 views on this video about approach anxiety. That means that's a lot of people feel exactly the same way. So it helps to not feel so alone because this, this is not something that we learn in school. And I wish we learned this in school. I wish we learned how to

communicate. I wish we learned how to get over our fears. I wish we learned how to ask somebody for something and not become a pleasing person, but they're not skill sets that people teach. Yeah, no, I know. So what about the pickup artist strategy? Because that is a strategy and a tactic that will, it doesn't just work on a mouse in a cage. It could work on anybody, right? Like that whole pickup artist strategy, right?

Yes, because it's based in psychology. Everything is based in practice and cycle. So that's the world that I started out in. So I started doing this. Interesting. Yeah. So 23 years ago, I stumbled upon this pickup artist community. community that was dominated by men. It was very underground. It was not popular because this was before

the book the game came out. I just literally I fumbled into it. I was not smart at all. I just you didn't realize. I was very lucky. But I was the first female run and operated company within the pickup artist world. I got to speak at an event with Evan Pagan who's really David DeAngelo in the pickup artist world. And he was the first digital marketer in that space who was distributing DVDs all over the world to millions of men. And so I was invited to speak at one of his conferences, not realizing that he was doing this and that I was going to be exposed to so many people. So I was, again, one of the, like the first woman to be invited into that world. And so I was very close with a lot of the people that were in that industry. And so many of them were teaching unbelievable things to men.

But the coolest thing about these men is how much work and effort they put into this. skill set. So Brad P., who I've become friends with, I've interviewed so many times for my own podcast, he talks about the amount of times that he would go and do things. Like, he would go to the subways in New York, and he would do 200 approaches every single day. And he would work on his, his, what is it called, his routine. Yeah. Like, his was a routine, but it was like psychological. And he would basically say, like, seven out of 10 women responded to this line. So therefore, I'm to keep saying this line as my third line. Then he would go to the next line. And he would just build up this routine over weeks at a time. But he found out what worked best so that it was a

number's game for him and what psychologically would trigger women in these ways. And his was just figuring it out. But a lot of them read great psychology information about what works to connect you to people. What makes people more trusting of you? What makes people more open to you? because these were men who didn't have that skill set. So they wanted to have an upper hand. There were some men in that industry who would use this information as a negative with bad intention. And that was not guys that I wanted to be connected to at all. In fact, these were like the most inauthentic guys because we would speak at different seminars and different workshops and they would get up on stage and they would preach whatever they were preaching to guys.

and then they would get off stage and like could not even make eye contact with me because they were so uncomfortable and insecure but the ones that I really really grabbed onto and appreciated were the men who were the same man on stage and the same man off stage and who I would feel attraction towards and I would feel connected to and I would feel what the things that they wanted me to feel like even mystery who I met as well he did his whole routine on me and I'm like this works I get why it works I didn't want to like poo-poo it because it was working and it was engaging in fun, but I still had a choice at the end of the day. So I love the pickup stuff.

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It was so like just like anything, it's women, even when I first started doing what I was doing, I would tell people. And some people would go, my God, that's amazing. And they started talking about relationships and dating. And it would open up this huge conversation. Yeah. Right? For about 80% of the people. And then 20% of the people would say, oh, you must work with the biggest losers ever. I cannot believe that people need that. And they would just have this completely negative. And I was doing it with good intentions. Yeah, of course. That help people. Yeah. And I was just so surprised. And for me, that just said that person's really insecure, right? That they couldn't see this beautiful side to people wanting to learn to be better and to get a skill set they didn't have before that they see a ton of other people having. a skill set too. So I think it's a lot of people's interpretation of what that world was that actually gave it the negative spin. And where do you think Andrew Tate comes into play? Like is he a

byproduct of that? Is he like, you know, what's your view? I assume so. I always just think men like that either were really hurt by women or really hurt by their mom or whatever it is. I think it's just people grasping onto power, anything that they can control. For me, I had it with disorder. eating when I was younger. I grabbed onto control with that. I think that's where it comes from for men. Either they believe that society is against them and they have to be stronger and louder and angrier to get what they want, or it's from the experiences that they've had with women, either romantic scenarios or their moms in their life. It's just from past experiences. There's no need for anybody to have boundaries that are that firm and that are that strong and that are that angry and charged.

They're so emotionally charged. But I do also have to say, I did a reaction video to one of Andrew Tate's video a long time ago. I didn't even know who he was, but I asked my team to send me over a video. And I was watching it. I was like, why are people so angry at this guy? I like everything that he's saying. I don't like how he's saying it, but I like what he's saying underneath it. So it is interesting.

Even when I watched that Manosphere documentary, there was a part of me that was not as emotionally charged as so many other people. Because I understand also where the men who are watching, why they want this information. Because they feel so, is it disempowered or unempowered or not empowered? They're looking for help. They're looking for help. And this is what's screaming out to them. Yeah. This is what's available, yeah.

Yeah. And it was the same of the pickup artist world in the very beginning. Like that was what was available to them. It was angry men who wanted to objectify and be little women. But then other people came into the industry and made it a little bit more palatable so that everybody could enjoy it. But I remember a lot of guys when I first started doing what I was doing were like, I didn't have options of where to get information. So I went to the pickup artist industry. It never rubbed me the right way.

and I always wanted something more authentic, but that's all that was available to me. And I always found that so interesting. I think the same thing is happening in that manosphere space. I think that's what's available to them right now. And hopefully many of these guys just take tidbits of information and watch their videos the way that I was watching it, but I know that so many are not,

and they're getting misinformation that is really just going to bite them in the butts. Yeah. No, I mean, listen, I read a lot of self-help books. when I was growing up, I was totally into all that stuff. And I mean, there wasn't one person out there that I believed every single thing that came out of their mouth. But I was, you know, I took it, I picked and chose the things that I liked that they had to say. And then I moved on to the next.

And sometimes people, just because someone says one thing they don't get, they throw everything they see out the window. And you really lose a lot that way. You know what I mean? Like I just to read Norman Vincent Peel. And he had a lot of religious stuff in there. You know what I mean? And that's not really my thing.

But his books were so fucking good that I just wouldn't pay attention to those words. or that part of it, but I got so much from his books, you know, where some people would never even touch it because he used the word God or whatever, you know. So I feel like sometimes people do themselves a disservice because they think they have to follow someone 100%. There's not one person out there that I follow 100% except myself. I'm the same. I'm the same thing, same way as you. I wonder what that is in people, that like, that some people can distinguish information that's good for them. Yeah. And decide and other people like, you know, people who get into cults. Like there's, there's just other people who are, are looking for a path that is easy for them to follow.

They don't want to be the people leading. No, they want to believe someone 100%. They want someone to give them all of that. And I, because maybe he takes it off of themselves a little bit. Let me ask you this. Like, how does it work inside your coaching, like, thing? You gave a little bit of information, like when they come to you, like, you know, to get them over, like, fear of rejection. They have to go out and you give them practical things. Like what are the other steps that a guy would go through if he takes your coaching class? So our coaching program, so I sell a whole bunch of digital products based on specific needs, like the F formula, which is a program all about flirting. Yeah. It's an at-home digital program that guys can do on their own. But my actual

coaching program, and I will say most of my products have this same sort of flow to them. But our coaching coaching program that is six weeks or 12 weeks, it follows this same path. It's first you work on yourself, you discover who you are as a man because if you don't know who you are as a man, you're not a man I want to be with and not a man women will be attracted to. So you got to figure out who you are first, what your values are, what your boundaries are, what your legs are, what your legs aren't. Just understand you as much as possible. Because when you understand you, you can be confident, you can be armed, you can be ready, you don't fall into this nice sky category because you know who you are compared to other people. Then the next step. Yeah, but how do you do that? Like, is that a

questionnaire? Oh, how do you do this? Oh, yeah. There's a, there's a whole, I mean, there's a whole bunch of exercises that we do. So the first, the first thing that guys have to fill out is this book that's called discovering you. And it's, it's, it's all based in psychology, but it's, I don't know how to explain it, but it is, it's a questionnaire, but it puts you down a path that makes you really think about the things that are important to you, and you end up with your values at the very end, which most people don't know what their values are, even though it may state it's not in my values, but it really makes the values so clear to you and concrete. And once you know your values, it's like you know who you are. You know what you stand for. You know what kind of a person

you are. So I think it's, I think it's 25 questions they have to answer. But each of them leads them down a path of who they are as men, how they want to be treated, what kind of women they want to allow into their life, what kind of women they won't allow into their life, what kind of boundaries they want to place. Again, all questionnaires that these men answer on their own. And it proves to these men at the very end that they have all the information within them. They don't need somebody else to tell them something. And we are there to assist them because there's a lot of fear around saying the wrong

things so we can help give them permission to say the things that they want. And that is one of the first steps for releasing everything, but also opening up their mind to see the kind of men that they truly are. And then we have a whole bunch of exercises as well that help them really hold on to this incredible man that they are. Because so many of the guys that I work with come in with all of these negative labels for themselves or these limiting beliefs about their situation or misunderstandings about what's actually possible for them. So we have have them make lists of 10, 20, 30 unbelievable things about themselves. And sometimes, again, these men need help. They can't even think of five. And so we help them together come up with these lists of great things about them,

interesting things about them, things that are valued by others. Because most of the people that come into our program are in this negative thought pattern. And they need to reframe the way that they talk to themselves, they talk about themselves, they seed the world. And we help them reframe this vision and look at the world through a different lens. So a guy who thinks that he's, you know, below every woman's league has no chance of getting a woman. We help him to see that he actually can and could be, with the women that he's attracted to just by helping him pull out the wonderful things about him

that already exist. So that's the first step. It's like getting them to a place where they're like, no, I'm a freaking amazing man. And I will tell you, 99% of men in our program get to that place because everybody has something of value. Everybody is interesting. Everybody who's listening to this as well who might think, oh, I'm not any of those things. Like you are. You absolutely are. Your brain just isn't focusing on those things right now. It's focusing on all of the negative things. So that makes you think that you're a shitty person and that you have nothing of value. But when you start to see things differently, which we help you do, that's when things start to shift. So then after they get through that portion of the program, which there's a whole bunch of things called Get Off Your Bud exercises that I have them do that help them to own these characteristics for themselves, get them comfortable with their body, get them comfortable with their voice tonality, get them comfortable moving around the world and being really comfortable.

in their own skin. Then they go to the second section, which is activating your social life. So that's, that's building a world and a community that you can enjoy for yourself and you're proud of, and one that women want to be part of. So it shows men places and spaces that they can activate their social life, communities they can enjoy, places that they can meet women. And it's all individualized. And we help them to put together plans and paths based on where they live, their ages, their interests of places they can light up their lives and make more friends and invite more women into it and then also to meet women. And then the next stage is where we start giving them the tools, the tactics, techniques, that's where a lot of, I'll call it pickup artist stuff, but it's just an easy way

for you to grasp onto what we do. It's where we teach them the skills. We help them get over-approach anxiety. We teach them how to approach. We teach them how to speak with emotion versus logical speaking. We talk to them about how to connect to women, how to validate women and still create attraction. We teach them about how to flirt the right way. Again, this is the time period where we give them training wheels to use. So we might give them lines. We have different flirting styles that we teach them about. We practice those flirting styles. We have flirting sessions where guys get to actually practice with wing girls so they can feel it working and get immediate feedback. Yeah, that's super smart.

From the girls. Yeah, and then the last section is about how to establish yourself as a lover and not a friend. So we, again, it's like it's a whole 12 week program, but we're teaching them about how to not just be a great guy and connect with women, but to be a man that actually creates attraction that states his intentions that can be sexual around women without being perverted and disgusting and creeping them out. Yeah. And it's an amazing program that we get testimonials from men every single day telling us that we've changed their lives.

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Get tickets now. Yeah, that's amazing. And what is it, is like for, like, what is the commitment like? I know it's six to 12 weeks. Is it an everyday thing? Is it a once a week? Is it all online when they want to? It's a few times a week.

So there's an online component to it of a curriculum. they have to go through. And then we have weekly Q&A sessions. We have a weekly lesson as well, sort of like going to a college class. Yeah. And then they get one-on-ones with their wing girls. And then once they get into the second six weeks, they start having flirting sessions every week. So it's like a college course that they take.

It's intense. It is very intense. But that's why we get the results that we get. And what are the results that you see? Like give me like an example. Oh, my God. So we have, we have on our Slack. We have a success stories Slack channel that just goes on and on and on.

Every single day a wing girl is putting a new picture of a guy who's in a relationship or a story about a guy who just is like dating five women and having the time of his life and having unbelievable sex. Or gives us stories about a guy who came to us whose wife hated him and she's now holding his hand and wanting to kiss him every single night. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. How do you work with the, what are you doing for the guys? So you also, what I think is super interesting, and I, and I believe in it, and I feel like there's probably a lot of married guys that could also use this kind of coaching. Yeah.

You do work with guys in a relationship to get their relationship back on track, right? Yes. Well, we have a program that's called Be Her Hero, which just teaches men to get back to that guy who she first started dating. Yeah, I love that. And we just, we help him go down that path. And we also, we really just help him understand her and understand. and understand where she's coming from.

That she's not the devil. She's not this horrible bitch anymore. It's just she's become this way to protect herself. And on the flip side, he's become a certain way to protect himself as well. And we help him understand what her words really mean, how to get her to soften up, and how to get her to feel that attraction before? Because so many guys come in and they're like, how do I get my wife back? How can I just start flirting with her?

I'm like, if you start flirting with your wife, she literally is going to cut off your penis because she hates you right now. She's so much animosity towards you. No, don't flirt with her. Then she's going to like hate you even more. She's going to think you just want to bang her again. Yes, because because he's not seeing her at that point. You can't see that she's sad.

She's hurt. She doesn't feel feminine. And she's a shell of herself. She feels unseen as a woman. That is why she's turned cold and hard. She can't get sexual if you're not seeing her. So you have to see her first, validate. how she's feeling in her experiences, and she'll slowly start to open up. And we do that through

teaching them different communication styles and conversation styles, but really it's just exposing them to the female perspective of like what their wives are saying to them, what it really means, and what they're doing incorrectly, that even though they think they're doing it with good intent, is actually making it worse. So we're just, we just help decode for a lot of of these men. You know, you're saving marriages because how many times, like, you know, and I get these guys on my show and they'll be like, oh, yeah, and then my wife just divorced me, she wasn't happy anymore. I'm like, yeah, but she was probably telling you what she wasn't happy about for, like,

the past seven years and you weren't listening. That's why, like, typically, like, when a woman's done, she's done. But she has tried for like five years. Like, no woman gives up hope like that easily. I wish we did. Okay. It would be so much easier. I know.

We are so hopeful even when 2% will try and try. And they should fucking tries until she's, you know. and tries until she's done. Blue in the face. You don't listen because you don't really take it that seriously. You think it's in the bag. And by the time she says, I want a divorce,

you're never going to get her back. That's not the time to go to you. Because she's already done. Yeah, she's done because she's tried for seven years. She was talking to you. You weren't listening. So it's like you have to get these skills

way before that happens. You know what I mean? And it happens so many times in marriages because you're just on autopilot. You got kids. Did you have kids? Yeah. Do you have kids?

Oh, so my kids are at an overnight camp right now. Yeah. So I've had two and a half weeks with my husband. And I love my husband. And I know that I do, but I forgot that I did. I'm like, do I, do I still love him? I can't, like, there's no space for it. So we had two and a half weeks with each other. I was like, I do like you. And he's like, I know I do like you as well. It's these damn kids that are screwing it up for us. But it's, it's just exactly as you said, you go on autopilot and you forget these things. The hard thing for so many men to realize is that for women, everything is a fire. Right. Right. Because she's looking to the future. So she's trying to not have anything drastic happen in the future. So her fires may seem tiny to you, but those are huge fires for her because she sees the potential of what it can turn into.

And I learned this from another male coach that for a man to pay attention to something, he has to hear it's a fire by you literally saying this is like, what is it called a five o'clock fire? What does it mean? A level five fire? Whatever it means to be an extreme fire. You have to say to your husband, this is a fire. And then they'll hear it properly. And then they will single focus on it.

But if you don't say it, they're like, that's not a big deal yet. It's not a big deal. It's tiny. Because for them, it is tiny. And that's the wonderful thing about men as well. A lot of them don't dwell on these tiny things. Thank God for them sometimes, right? Yes, exactly.

But when it comes to a relationship, women dwell on the tiny things because the tiny things become big things. Exactly. And if you don't want to wait until it becomes big, because then it's over. Like as you said, the worst thing to ever hear out of your wife's mouth is nothing. Yeah. That's when it's done. Yeah. She has zero percent hope.

She's, it's over. Yeah. She'll never come back. You know what I mean? Yeah. And that's when the guy wants to start working on it. Yeah. Exactly.

Yeah. Yeah. And so, I mean, the biggest, and I've actually learned this this year as well. So I used to tell my guys, like, you know, you don't need to tell your wife that you're working on these things. You can just work on them, but just know you're going to come up against like, skepticism. She's going to push you and test you and poke you and proud you to make sure that what you're showing is real. And I've actually learned this now that it is better for them to say,

hey, this is what's going to go on for me. I realize our marriage is shit right now. We do not connect. I don't pay attention to you. And that's my fault. It is completely on me. And I am taking this course to learn how to do it better for you. So be patient with me. I'm going to screw up over the next few weeks, but what I'm doing now is for us. And then you do whatever you need to do. So she's not confused of like where this new shit's coming from. Is that what you're saying? Exactly. So she's not like, wait, what's going on? Why are you doing this? Why are you now rubbing my feet and ask me questions about me? Exactly. Because we're trained to realize inconsistencies. Oh my God. We're on high alert. Yeah. And we don't always know what it means, but it means something's off.

Yeah. And then we don't trust it. So I don't know. this is fully true. I maybe still like both methods, but I have been taught now that it is better to prime a woman and let her know what you're doing. I love that there's guys out there that come to you like before, like, you know, while they're, and oh my God. The men I work with are amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. Men are amazing. And I'm sure you know that too because of what you do. Yeah. Like I, I, it's so funny because when my, my girlfriends, like, talk down on men or Oh, I know. When people bring up, like, the patriarchy and all this stuff.

I'm like, I just see men so, but because I've been lucky enough to get to work with them on this level. You understand. Just see what they're capable of. But I didn't know that in the very beginning. I thought all men knew how to pick up women. I thought they were all players. I didn't know that they didn't have these abilities. Yeah.

Yeah, I didn't know to feel sad for some men because they were insecure. I didn't know men could be insecure. So it's opened my eyes completely, and I'm sure it's done the same thing for you. Yeah, I had a guy on recently the other day, and he was very crass and very angry. He had been burned really bad, and people were fucking going off on him, and they're like, why? And I'm like, I didn't have a problem with him. Like, a lot of times, like, yeah, in the perfect world, would he be more evolved emotionally that he could be burned and he could talk about it without being angry?

Yeah, that's in the perfect world. But like a lot of guys, that's how they communicate because being vulnerable isn't comfortable for them. Like I totally get that he was doing that. And it doesn't put, doesn't, I don't define him by it. It doesn't horrify me that a man is angry. I'm not triggered by it. I mean, it's just that that's where he's coming from. And yeah, could he have said the stuff a different way?

Yeah, but that's sometimes the way men communicate when they're hurt is, you know, and that's just the fucking fact. You know what I mean? I love that. You said that. It doesn't make a terrible person. Yeah. Yeah. And he was open with me.

If I would have started acting triggered to tell him, you stop talking that way, you should, like, he would have never, I got the whole fucking story from him because I never judged him once because I know how men are. And I know what's underneath that. That's a hurt guy that was told to, you stop crying when he was four. You're not supposed to have feelings. You're be a fucking man. And this is the way he expresses himself when somebody burned him badly, you know.

And that's the case. So, you know, is he a terrible person? No. should he be perfect, like more evolved emotionally? Yeah, maybe. You know, but that's not, I'm not here to judge him. I'm here to see like what's really going on. And that's sometimes the way men communicate. People just, it's the same. But women do it too. Women do it too. It's like when you are in pain, you're not the most pleasant person in the entire world. You have all these guards up. You have daggers in your eyes. And really, I think like whatever you did with this man by just listening to

him and show him that a woman can listen to him and not get mad at how he's being, that's what helps soften him by giving him those opportunities to express himself. And then once he trusts you, you can say, you know what, maybe next time you don't have to be so angry when you express this because when you talk like this, it actually makes me not want to listen to you, but I want to listen to you because I know that you're in pain and I can see that. So I love how you know that. A lot of the wing girls that I work with, that's the first part of the training that I have to have with them is to be able to see through the exterior behavior. and see the pain underneath.

Because that's, it's triggering for them. Yeah. But you have to get to that point. Yeah. And if you judge them for it, they're never going to open up. You know what I mean? That's why they're closed up to begin with because God forbid they feel like less of a man or they showed their emotional side, you know, and that's the problem that men have

across the board. But I really believe it. It's like on both sides, men and women are, you know, very different, right? That men are from Mars women for like brilliant genius book. We are very different and it is always super helpful to. understand the other sex better. You know what I mean? It's only going to help.

So I believe so much in what you're doing. I love that you have this whole wing girl method that you started. Why don't you give a shout out to like where all of your stuff is because you have that private, you have the coaching, you have a lot of digital product and everything. So I want you give a shout out to where everything is and where they can find you. Oh, thank you. So actually, for anybody who's listening, I want them to go to f with her. com and there's a free crash course there on the five things that attract women instantly.

And it teaches you the five different things. So it's a free crash course that I want to give away to guys. But that's going to put you onto my newsletter list as well. So then you'll start hearing about all the things that we have available. All the free stuff and all of the paid stuff as well. Okay. Awesome. And you have a podcast.

Do you want to give a shout? I'll put, by the way, I'll put F with Her.com in the description. So anyone driving, just click on the link. But why don't you give a shout out to your podcast? too. Yeah. Yeah. It's called Turn Her On and I would love to have you on my podcast. I would totally be on. I think you would be fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. Turn her on. That's wherever you could get podcast. But I'm going to put the F with her.com link in the description. I love what you have to offer. You know, I feel like it's so great for whether it's a single guy or that married guy that's girls doesn't

want your sexless married guys in my that are listening to my show. It's like they're. Yes. But honestly, this is what you need to get her. wanting to fuck you again. Exactly. Exactly. It's so funny because part of the Be Her Hero Hero Program is a book that I wrote that's called Why Won't My Wife Sleep With Me Anymore?

And it's really just, it's all about how to get her to be excited about you and want to sleep with you again. Because that's the most disheartening thing for men. It's like, why does she just turn me away every single time? And I'll tell them why. Yeah, yeah. And if they could go through the course and, you know, start communicating better learn how to woo her back their way and get that back.

You will have sex on demand. Totally. Totally. Totally. I love it. I love what you're doing, Marnie. I'm so glad you came on the show and I'll put all your links in the description.

Oh, I appreciate. And I've really enjoyed talking with you as well. Awesome. Thanks, Marnie. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you're not. you can pre-order the audiobook.

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