Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1558 - Simien & Abigail went from Being Mormon, to Getting Into Swinging, Pegging, Threesomes w/Women and More

Episode Date: August 18, 2026

Simien and Abigail went from being Mormon to being into pegging, swinger clubs, threesomes with women and more and they called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how Simien grew up in Mormon purity culture and the shame around sex he encountered, the abuse he experienced as a child and how his family and the church reacted when he eventually told them, when he started exploring anal play on himself, his first and only guy-on-guy experiences, how he later became homophobic and stopped anal play altogether, how and why decades later he asked Abigail to peg him, how she reacted and how she feels about it now, how and why they eventually decided to leave the Mormon church and the process they went through, how they started learning about sex clubs and the lifestyle, their first swinger club experience and exactly what went down, how they realized they were both into exhibitionism and “performing” in front of people, their bad experience at the Green Door and what went wrong, their favorite club Scarlet Ranch and Abigail’s experience on the cross and how intense it got, how some of their friends found out what they were doing, the unicorn they met at a Lifestyle resort and the threesomes they eventually had with her, how Abigail feels seeing  Simeon with another woman and what she still wants to explore with women, Simien’s interest in wearing panties, how masculine he is outside the bedroom and why Abigail loves how open he is about everything plus a whole lot more. GET A COPY OF THE STRICTLY ANONYMOUS BOOK! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY HERE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  or Pre-order audiobook version ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   To see HOT pics of SIMIEN & ABIGAIL plus my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show." Want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. All voices are changed.   Sponsors:  ⁠⁠⁠https://shamelesscare.sjv.io/xLQ3Jv⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get $15 OFF Shameless Desire or any other product at Shameless Care ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beduc.at/pd2630-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Click here to take the quiz and  get your personalized SUMMER roadmap to sexual happiness  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://LoadBoost.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠- To get 10% off LOAD BOOST by VB Health, use code: STRICTLY   ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Buy 2 months of Bluechew GOLD and get the third month FREE! Use code: STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Follow me! Instagram  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Rehide your wits and shame. Here is your host, Kathy. Hey, welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast with Kathy. If you want to follow the Strictly Anonymous podcast on Instagram or Twitter, follow me at Strict Anonymous. If you want to be on the show, it's called Strictly Anonymous because they change everyone's voices and names. Okay.

So if you have an interesting secret naughty life that you want to talk about while remaining anonymous or non-anonymous if you're out and proud, you can email me at Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com. or go to my website, strictly anonymous, podcast.com, and click on Be on the Show. Now, listen, if you have a naughty confession, you want to leave on my confessions line. You could do that 247. The number is 347, 4203579. That's 347, 4203579. Call from a quiet place. I can't use ones when people call where they're driving. Some of those confessions make it onto a confessions episode. The rest go on to my Patreon. Now, my Patreon is super fun, and it's very inexpensive.

If you ask me, it's only $7 a month and you get every single episode. I do seven episodes a week. You get every single one of them early before anyone gets them, as well as intro and ad free. You also get all the confessions and you also get Q&As that I do like every other month where I answer a lot of questions as well as you get anonymous picks of probably every single girl that has called into my show, every single female guest. I got pictures of them over on my Patreon. Like I said, it's $7 a month. The link to Patreon is in the description. If you do sign up for my Patreon or buy my book, I wrote a book. It's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. It's all stories from my show told in

the third person. They're super fun. And the audiobook is coming out in August. So if you buy my book either in paperback or e-book or audiobook version, the links are all in the description. I will also give you access to my private Discord. Like I said, if you join my Patreon, or if If you call into my show or if you buy my book, I will give complimentary access to my private Discord. My private Discord is not a paid site. It is free, but it is private. And you can only get in if I send you the link.

I promise you, you will not be disappointed. My Discord is full of great effing people. Okay. So if you buy my book, send me a screenshot of your purchase and I will send you the link to my Discord. The last thing I'm going to tell you about is if you want to sign up for SDC, I do have a free trial for my listeners. SDC is like the world's largest online and dating website and it's not just a place

where you could hook up with people. You could learn all about the lifestyle. You could find out about all the lifestyle events and meetups and all kinds of things going on in your neighborhood as well as if you're going to travel and you want to have a little fun, you're going to find it all on SDC.com. Like I said, you get a free trial if you use my code 37712 or just go to the description and click on the link that's 37712 or just go to the description and click on the link. Okay, I got a great story for you. I have on Simeon and Abigail and there have a whole story,

like a whole life story. I love stories like this because there's so many different layers to it. And we start off talking about Simeon and his childhood. He grew up Mormon and the whole purity culture thing and he had some trauma and abuse that happened to him. And he talks about how that was handled and how that was traumatizing. He also talks about how he was like, you know, got into, you know, playing with himself when he was younger as well, even before he knew what the fuck he was doing. And he eventually like, you know, started doing a little anal play on himself. And he got like really into it. And he even had an experience with a guy he talks about that. And then at some point, he just like really shoved all of that stuff aside. He talks about why he actually

admits and cops to the fact that he got very homophobic for a very long time and didn't do any anal play and the whole stigma around all of it was very much something that he bought into. And then that all went away. He's married. And he talks about how him and his wife both, you know, left the church. She became Mormon for him. She's on the call, too. She talks too.

They wound up leaving the church. They talk about that. And then they talk about why they left the church. And at the same time, they got very curious about the lifestyle and stuff like that. They also got very into pegging. He copped to the fact that he was into anal and he went full force back into it. it. She pegs them now. We talk all about that. And then like I said, they got into the lifestyle and they wound up going to swing her clubs and nudist resorts they talk about. They've had experiences with

unicorns. I mean, the whole thing is like as it unfolds, you're like, oh my God, I can't believe where this couple has gone considering where they came from. It's a super interesting journey. You're going to love their story. I loved talking to them. I have pictures over them of them over on my Patreon. But anyway, I'm going to get right to and be right back on with Simeon and Abigail. is the strictly anonymous podcast. Strictly anonymous podcast. Hey, Siby,

are you calling yourself Sibian or Sibyan? What's your name again? It's Simeon. Simeon. Simeon. I'm thinking a Sibian because, you know, I kind of have one from Motor Bunny.

Sivian, the sex toy, but you're Simeon, okay, you got your wife, Abigail, sitting next to you. She might chime in, she might not. We'll see. You guys, you are a guy,

I'm assuming, I don't know how you label yourself, but I'm assuming you're like one of those straight guys that, you know, is into anal play and stuff, and that's what we'll eventually get to. You and your wife do pegging and all that kind of stuff, but I'm assuming you explore that part of your body before you met your wife? I did. My sexual progression was kind of unusual, and I guess that's... Where we'll start. Let's go there. Yeah, yeah, because I've listened to your show for quite a bit of

time now, and, you know, growing up, I always thought I had a different story and that some of the things that happened were really strange, and they were certainly strange, but I realized that inside the religious culture that I grew up in. It's not as strange as one would hope it should be. Wow. Isn't that sad? Yeah. Because it's not like a positive story. Well, I mean, it's positive. It's all had positive impacts, but growing up, not understanding everything that was happening or not having a way to discuss it or really evaluate it was very difficult. Right, right. And, you know, listen, imagine how that plays out nowadays with all this like content online that kids could find on their own. You know what I mean? I think a lot of times, like, you know, if, you know,

You're too young to understand what the fuck is going on. It's very confusing. Yeah, I grew up in the 80s and 90s where a lot of this stuff just, I mean, it wasn't talked about in general, but then it certainly wasn't talked about in purity culture that I grew up in. Right. So explain that. So you grew up in purity culture. What does that mean?

So I was, you've had several episodes recently where people talk about being Mormon and I was one of those people that grew up inside the Mormon religion and everything. There just is zero discussion about sex at all. Right. other than just avoid it and don't do it. Is this also the religion? I don't know. I sometimes get confused.

Is this also, though, the religion that if you do something, you have to go and talk about it with the elders and explain exactly what you did? Or no? You're supposed to go and, yeah, you're supposed to go and talk to the bishop about it, but I was always really good about that. I knew from the get-go that that probably wasn't a good idea. So I just never claimed any of it. Okay, but that is what they say.

I mean, so that's where it's discussed. That's where it's discussed. Like, don't do anything. But if you do, comment and discuss it. and details with us. Oh my God. Give us all the details and some bishops will ask lots of details and because they're kind of perverted and other people just be like okay. I mean, can you believe?

How, like, I don't know, like what's more traumatizing? You know what I mean? Like that's like horrifying as a young woman or a man to have to go and sit across from an adult and tell them stuff like that and then them grill you about like, you know, intimate stuff. It's like that's horrifying if you ask me. So you were smart. enough to have your own, like you had your own mind. And even though that was something that you were told to do, you didn't. You never did that. I was like, no, no, I didn't. I wasn't talking about any of that stuff. I said, you guys are talking about. Why am I going to come here and share it with you? Yeah, but the sad thing is you probably know plenty of people that did. Oh yeah, for sure. There's stories all over the internet about people confessing everything and. Yeah, because that's what they're told and some people, like I would be like you. I would have my, I would be like, I don't care what you say. But like tons of people do what they say. That's just that's how. That's how. That's how. I would be told. I. I would be like, I would be like, I would be like, I would be like, I don't care what you say. It's just that's just that's

they're wired, you know what I mean? And that's why, and that's, and those people do do stuff like that. And that to me is horrifying. Okay, so you're, you're Mormon. Is your wife Mormon now, by the way? No, neither one of us are anymore. Okay. All right. So she was for a little bit of a period of time kind of just because of me. Yeah, we'll get to the story. We'll get to the part story where you meet your wife. But now let's stay when you're younger. So you're in this like, you know, you're Mormon and sex is not discussed whatsoever. Yeah. So we don't discuss any of the stuff. And look back at my life. I look and I remember some of the first experiences or the first introduction I had that was through my own, you know, through my own experiences, you know, we grew up kind of poor

and we grew up in a place that had a bunch of trailer parks. And so you can imagine we're young boys and adventurous. And so we're dumpster diving in the trailer park dumpster and looking, you know, there's all the stuff in there, the coffee grounds and the beer cans, but also we found some nudie mags. And so that was, I think the first thing I can remember is finding that and somehow knowing that I was supposed to hide that and taking that and hiding that in a wood pile, literally, and then getting caught by my mom who came around. And the only thing I remember from that memory is that, you know, everything around it was shame. Right.

You know, I was told that it wasn't okay. What are you doing here? This isn't good. Not necessarily the exact conversation, but just the gist of, hey, this is not cool. Right. And so remember having friends that. and getting into that and the friends and they had them and we're like, oh, wow. So that being the first introduction.

And then the next thing I can remember is about six years old. This is five, six years old as being sexually abused as a child by a babysitter. Oh, my God. Terrible. Same sex, unfortunately. So same sex type of abuse and very, very odd. And that happened on two different occasions. And so this is my early childhood.

And then I get a little bit older and a little bit more exploratory and realize later on in life that one of the things I was super good at was climbing poles and ropes. Like gym class is my thing. You know, because the whole point was that they didn't realize that the time that it felt good, understanding now that those were basically orgasms. Right, right, right. Talking to other people and they're like, oh, yeah, I used to do that. And here I thought I was weird. Like, why is this guy hung out? Why is it hanging out at the top of the poles all the time?

Oh my God, you don't even know what's going on. I feel like that happened to a lot of people because your little, you know, your little thing starts acting up way before you're even like a sexualized person, like that you even know about what is going on. You know what I mean? Can't help it. Well, we make all the jokes about women riding horses and stuff like that. Well, guys have poles.

I'm just going to tell you. Guys have climbing poles as kids. I remember having a girlfriend of mine had a daughter and she said that her daughter when they would be driving around. She'd be like, mom, go over that. bump again. I feel tingling in my vagina. It was so fucking funny. You know, she didn't know either. She's like this little girl, but she was getting sensations from sensations, you know, when you're her privates. But anyway, go on. Yeah. So, you know, having all these weird experiences and not having

any way to talk about it, I'm just kind of filing this stuff back. And then I get to about fourth grade and end up at the bowling alley. And I think to myself, well, there's the machine in the bowling alley. And I get super curious. And so I'm like, I'm just going to buy a condom. And so I buy a condom and experiment with that and realize that everything's really sensitive. We'll just leave it right there. Of course, you're a young kid. I mean, I think every guy is sensitive when they're lit. That was the first time.

Get into puberty. Basically manual stimulation here. I'm understanding that I don't need the poll anymore. I can actually do things on my own. Right. Okay. You know, but isn't that, but like, I mean, you know, every guy starts drinking off. So we don't need to get deep into that.

But is that like, is that crazy for you because you're Mormon? and you're not supposed to be. Yeah, I was just a really weird, that's not, yeah, I just, like, did you feel guilty? I didn't even know what I was doing. I had no, oh, I had, yeah, I absolutely felt guilty and I had no idea what I was even doing, to be very honest with it. I didn't know that that's what it was even called at that particular point in time. It was just exploratory.

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Yeah, I get it. So when do you find your asshole? When do you find how hard you want it? So, yeah, that's, so in my early teens, I was staying with my aunt and she had an underwear drawer. And I don't know why, but one day I was just like, I wonder what this feels like to put her underwear out. So I did. It was much too large for me, but satin and it felt good. And so I realized that the texture of the fabric and stuff, I like the way it felt and that, you know, it just got, it got me there. Super easy. And so I did that a couple times.

And then all of a sudden, I guess I was doing that and really starting to learn more. about actual masturbation and you just start exploring and you start feeling and obviously my finger went down there and I start touching and putting pressure on my what I now realize as a prostate and that felt good and so it just becomes even more exploratory. Yeah and you know what I gotta say but I just got to say like I don't think this is a very uncommon path I think more guys have gone down this path than care to admit you know what I mean because there's such a stigma with anything in that part of your body, but I'm sure so many guys, like, out of just curiosity by themselves, like, have explored that part.

I just think they don't cop to it. But at least you are. Well, that's why I want to say this is because I think it is a lot more common than people are willing to admit. Totally. Yeah, totally. You're just curious, right? You're curious.

You're by yourself. You're like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. And it feels good. Yeah, it feels good. Like, I've learned to just embrace the good feelings because there's enough bad ones. So I just did that. And all of a sudden, I'm looking around.

and because she's a woman, there's a tampon. I'm like, this looks about the same size, and all of a sudden I don't have to use my finger. Oh, my God. And so I'm using this, and the whole thing is just completely overwhelming to me. And I know what I'm doing is not acceptable at all in any way, shape, or form from a religious standpoint.

So I just don't talk about it. I don't tell anybody for decades. Yeah, I was wondering, like, you know, because you obviously have friends, and, you know, you're all growing up. in the same sort of religion with all the same rules. And I was wondering if the young kids talk about this stuff with each other and tell each other like secrets of what they're really doing,

or does everyone just keep it to themselves? No, we kept it to ourselves, but there was about the same time that I'm learning all about this and wearing ants panties. And it makes me cringe to even think about it, but I don't even know if I can't imagine the things and I put that stuff back, but it kind of creeps me out now to think about it. I never stole any of them, but yeah, that was the introduction. About the same time, I have a friend in the same church, and he was kind of like the Zach Morris unsaved by the bell.

I'm going to date myself now. I'm almost 50. Okay. So he was kind of like that, and I kind of looked up to him, and we're playing Truth or Dare in his bedroom one day, and I don't remember what you were supposed to do for the truth, but apparently it was so bad that the dare seemed like the better option. and so he dared me basically to give a 69 blowjob, a dual blow job. Right. Oh, God. I don't know why I did, but I did.

Oh, my God. Okay. And so I was like, well, that was wild. Was that confusing to you because you're like with a guy? Yeah, but not as confusing as it should have been. I was like the me now would have just ran away, but the me then was like, I don't know, this doesn't seem that bad, but obviously. I knew it was weird.

Yeah. Weird for, you know, somebody of that age. So then I, apparently I'm thinking about it and we get over there one more time and it happens again. And later find out that this gentleman ends up declaring that he's gay. And so that basically ends anything that I do and I don't have any kind of sexual experience other than just standard masturbation until I meet my wife. Right. Okay.

But like, does that ever make you question your sexuality at all or anything or no? it didn't make me question my sexuality because I knew I was into women I think it was just one of those things that felt good is kind of like climbing a pole I didn't really think about the male male aspect until I got older in my twenties I think I really struggled with that and actually went homophobic oh you're kidding so you went that way you went that extreme to try to like deny what was going on inside of you yeah I didn't you know after that that early experience with my own asshole in my you know teens and this this experience And I just basically, that was it. It scared me. I was like, well, I don't know what the hell is going on. I don't know if I'm doing this because it feels good. But I never felt sexually attracted to a guy. Never kissed a guy.

It was just more of the pleasure aspect. Right. I get it. But I think it's very honest of you to admit that because of that you turned very homophobic when you were older, like that you could put that together, right? Because sometimes you got to think to yourself, like, why is somebody so extremely against something, whether it's, you know, gay people or anything else? You know what I mean? Because a lot of times it comes from like some sort of projection within themselves, right?

And I think that's what I was doing because nowadays I have no harm. I mean, do what you want to do, be happy or be miserable with the same sex, whatever you choose. It doesn't matter to me and I've just gotten over that stuff and kind of talking about these things is what helps, which is why I want to even talk to you about it. Yeah, I love that. So tell me, could we just talk about that time of your life real quick when you got really homophobic? Yeah, so in my 20s after I got married. To this woman that's sitting there, Abigail, right? Okay. Did she know about your experience and stuff at this point? Yeah.

Because she obviously knows because she's sitting right next to you. So she obviously knows now. But like- She knows now. Yeah, but in the beginning when you first got married, did she know any of this stuff? No, she didn't know anything about the sexual experience that I had with that boy. I never told her anything about what happened when I was abused or anything.

We just kept it all quiet because it was just, it was all same-sex stuff and that's just it was it was not something I was going to bring up. The odd point that I will say is that my mom, when we started dating, went to her parents and actually told her about all my abuse and I found that very strange because my mom wouldn't even talk to me about it. How did your mom know if you didn't say anything? I told her. It came out. Well, you did about the babysitter. Yeah, it came out when I was in my teens and it all just got swept under the rug to be very honest with you. You're kidding. Why? Because was he like someone in the community they didn't want to like like why was nothing done well that's that's the part

that hurts the most i'd said that i didn't want that babysitter again and that they thought about it for a second dismissed it almost immediately and it came out when i was a teenager and there was a police report about it and everything and my parents went to the bishop of the church the same person you're supposed to give all your sexual sins too and he basically said nope this is a good member of the church we're not going to say anything wow like straight up, that's exactly what goes down. Like, this person is a good member. So even though they did that, we won't do anything?

Oh, very, very common. That's probably the most damaging part of the religion, honestly, to a lot of kids. Wow. Wow. Now, can I ask you a quick question? Because obviously, you feel traumatized by that. But, like, were your parents upset about this? Or are they, like, so Mormon that they're just like, okay, this is what he said, so

there's nothing we could do? Or were they like, what the fuck? They were defending the other person's parents. they were not They were not wanting to talk to me. They were not defending me. Yeah, that's, that's, so that makes it worse for you because your parents are buying into all of this

and they're on that same side and every, no one's doing anything for you, the victim. Unbelievable. Horrifying. That's the way I felt. Yeah, of course, of course. A lot of times people keep this stuff to themselves because the biggest fear is what happened to you.

Is that, you know what I mean? And, and it did come out and you were treated like, you know, like, you know, like, You weren't the victim. The other person was. You know what I mean? Like they're protecting him. Crazy.

Okay, so you meet your wife. But early on, are you both homophobic at the same time? I mean, how does that come out, like you said, in the beginning in your 20s when you're married? No. I don't think Abigail was homophobic. It was just me, and it was because of all these things, I had to get as far away from that mentally as I possibly could so that I knew I wasn't. And so I just went 100% the other direction.

And for all those years, didn't explore anything with anal play. It just basically left alone. Masturbation, porn, that was all still there, but forgot all the things that could be considered homo, you know. Right, okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay.

And obviously at this point, because you're really, like, not wanting to deal with it, you don't tell your wife. Like, so I'm assuming you opening up about this stuff to your wife comes first before she's pegging you, right? Like, how does that happen? Yeah, yeah, that's, we start having way more open, honest conversations. and in my 40s it just all starts coming out. We just realized that, you know, sex is good, but we're not hitting the mark anymore.

We're both kind of realizing that we wanted more and everything progressed. And we just started exploring our sexuality when our kids started getting older and we don't have to put them as the center focus of our life anymore. Okay, that's interesting. Everybody kind of looks at each other and says, okay, we're going to still be best friends and make this even better or are we going to fall apart, you know? Yeah, yeah, there's two paths to go down at that point. But you guys decided let's, let's do something to make this better at this point. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's great. We've been each other's best friends since early in life.

Yeah, that's amazing. Okay. So what do you reveal to her and how does she, like, I'm assuming you reveal like what you've done in your past and what you're into, like the anal stuff? Because like, were you doing the anal stuff before? Because there's a lot of time between when you were like homophobic and put it all away and when you're 40. So like, do you play with yourself a little bit during that time behind her back? No, not for probably 25, 30 years. I just don't do anything. Oh, okay.

That's interesting. Okay, so you were really that, like you really pushed it to the side for that long. But when you're 40 and now you start to talk about it, is that when it comes up? Yeah, so we got into some forums and there was some discussion. And one of our friends made some offhand random comment that he would not mind being pegged. And I was like, what in the world is even that? So obviously, I have to do research. And I'd start talking to my wife.

I'm like, yeah, such and such wants to be pegged. That's really, I had to go look it up. Do you realize what that is? And she's like, yeah, I had to look it up too. And she's like, that's weird. But it plants those seeds. See, that's the problem with learning some of this stuff as you plant a seed. And you're like, I remember this time when I was a kid.

Yeah. You know, when I was in my young teens and I was exploring myself. And so I told her, we had had a lot of conversations. So I said, I think I'm going to go to the store and I'm going to pick up her prostate wand. Right. And just give it a try. I was out of town. And so I went and got some lib and a prostate wand.

And I'm in a hotel. And I'm just like, I wanted to explore on my own without making it weird for her. And so I did. And she's like, well, just tell me about it. And I was like, well, it was kind of awkward, but it kind of reminded me of, you know, all those years ago. And so we just started playing and realizing that that felt good. And so we would get into more plugs. And at the same time, I'm discovering all this.

One of the reasons that I was willing to do this is because she liked anal play. And I felt like it was only, yeah. Yeah, I felt like it was a really good thing for me to know what she's experiencing. And I had a little bit of experience, but not enough. And because I've experienced that, I think it's made me a better partner for her because I know everything that she's going through. That's what I always say. And on the same hand.

You should learn yourself, your own body, because that's something that both, men and women have. So a man should learn how to work it himself and then he'll know how to work it with a girl better. You know what I mean? Then traumatizing her. Yep. And it's one of those areas that I think is really, obviously I'm anonymous, so I'm not really wanting to put this out there for my personal life. But it's just one of those things that I think is so much more enjoyed and done than people are willing to admit because there's so much stigma. Totally. That's why I have so many episodes like this on and I'm always into and down to have more on because what I always say is like, you know, there's between all the guys that say that they don't do it, probably half of

those people are and they're just not talking about it, you know what I mean? And then the other half that really say they haven't and never tried it or like it's crazy. And it's still the guy's not copping to it and the guy's not trying it. It's all because of the stigma because why else would you not? You know what I mean? It's like, and the truth is, because what I've heard from Guys, you all have prostates. Like everyone talks about it. It's like the best fucking orgasm ever. Like, why would you not want that?

Yeah, and I haven't had what I would, everybody says that if you've had a prostate orgasm, you know it. And so I'm going to assume that I haven't because I've had some really good strong ones, but I haven't had to like forget my name and have to lay there for five minutes like I've seen some videos of. Right. That's okay. But you still, do you get like really killer orgasms when you.

Oh, yeah. Killer orgasms. And you'll get the, you'll get the prostate come before you get the, the actual orgasm. Typically, that's the way it works for me. And Abigail loves that. Let me ask Abigail how she felt about you bringing up anal stuff. Could I ask her a couple questions?

Anal's like probably the thing that has been the most taboo in our marriage. We have done so much of it for so long but never talked about it. And so I'll let her tell you about that. Yeah, sure. Hello. Hi, I'm so glad you're sitting there. I didn't know that was a surprise when he called in. I was like, that's so great.

Now I want to ask you a couple questions because now you come into play and anal comes into play. And I know you were a three input girl and talking about it. But like how did you feel when it came up, like when he brought up that he was also into it and he had this history of like, you know, exploring that area and everything? Well, I guess it was pretty relatable because, number one, I really enjoyed it myself. So when you brought it up, I mean, I wasn't opposed at all because I'm like, you know, hey, feels good for me, you know. What's good for me is good for you.

it's the same part it's the same part yeah but you know there is also a little bit of apprehension you know because it's it is something different and something taboo and you know and obviously like I don't want to hurt him and I want to do it right and yeah he's more submissive and I think that's the

thing she struggles with is the fact that that's more of a dominating that's what I think she struggles with that act yeah I think that well I remember talking to Luna once and she's like that's not that's not dominant I'm like I always kind of it that way. I have heard, and I'm curious with you, Abigail, like, I have heard from women who

have said, like, you know, they weren't really into it, but they did it for their guy, and then they actually felt very empowered and actually, like, really liked it and stuff. Are you at that point yet, or are you just do it because he digs it, but it's, like, not, like, ideal for you? Like, how do you feel about pegging him? So I will say at the beginning, I was a little more apprehensive and, you know, doing it for him because he wanted to try it. And, you know, again, like, I'm submissive, so it was hard for me to take that dominant role. Yeah. But now, now, it's a lot different.

Like, it's switched a little where I am actually enjoying it. And it is empowering. You know, it is something, if I can bring him this extreme pleasure, you know, it'll literally get me off. Hey, y'all's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder what if, like, what if it doesn't hold up? That sofa was four days old. You should have ordered from Wayfair. With Wayfair, there's no what if. Just style you love and quality you can trust. Visit wayfair.ca. Wayfair, every style, every home. So, right, like you're into

turning him on. But let me ask you this, because you are typically submissive. And I also think that pegging is a little bit more of a dominant thing. Do you feel like, do you get into, like, sort of, you know, strapping it on and doing it and having this kind of like role reversal? Like, does it feel very different for you? Because some people have told me, some women have said it, they feel very empowered by it, and they get really,

they got wound up getting really into it. Yeah. At first, again, at first, it was very awkward. And I'm like, ooh, I don't know. I don't know if I like this. Of course. But now, yeah, now it's totally 100%. Yeah, I really enjoy it.

It does turn me on. It does give me off. You know, and I get so extremely wet, pegging him. You do. She asked, she asked, she requests to do it a lot. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, oh, it's your turn. Yeah. I'm like, ooh, can I, can I just, it's all about you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Play with your ass. Now, did you ever worry about the stigma?

Because I feel like a lot of times the stigma is because like, oh, what does this mean? Are you gay? Blah, blah, blah. Like, did you have those questions at all, especially because he did tell you, he, like, you know, blew a guy once. You know what I mean? Like, you have those conversations twice.

Sorry. Four times. We're not counting that one. Okay. We're not counting. No, you know, wow, I just lost the question. I'm sorry. The question was, did you ever have any of those kinds of questions or did that thought ever come into play? Oh, about the sexuality?

Yeah. No. Okay. No, not at all. The stigmas, like, I mean, him and I have been very open about it. And there's just, we kind of erase those stigmas. And it's more about pleasure. It's about each other.

It's about making each other feel good. You know, it, we don't really worry about the stigmas anymore. more at all. Right. I get it. But he was very homophobic at one point, right? And then do you remember when that sort of went away? Was it around this time? It was probably, well, maybe about 10 years earlier. Right. He's just with age and acceptance, but probably in the last five years, you know, we've done a lot of soul searching, a lot of growing. And that's when we've just realized then, you know, it is what it is. And we know who he is and who is attracted to. And, and there's really no concern anymore.

Right. I mean, you were with him for 40 years before he brought this up. So at that point, you know, he, like, digs women. You know what I mean? Like, he's, like, with you this whole time. There's no issues. And so your history, a little bit of your history, I'm just curious, because he said you were Mormon for a short time and stuff. Did you become Mormon for him, or were you brought up in the same culture?

I was raised non-denominational. Okay. I did convert when I was, what, 32? I converted for him. Okay. But at that time, I wasn't for him. It wasn't demanded. It was just something that felt right for both of us.

Because of kids and stuff? Yeah, we had kids. We had one child at that time. Right. Yeah. And it just worked out that it felt right. But it was very hard for me to get into it. I was never fully invested in it.

I never fully believed. And I did appease him by staying in it. Yeah. And then how did you? guys leave. Do you want to talk Simeon about that whole process? Yeah, tell about that. So now I'll tell you where our names came from. So I am Simeon because that is my new name given in the temple and my wife's name is Abigail because that is her new name given in the temple. And for people that don't know anything about Mormonism, there's a whole bunch of really fucked up weird shit that goes on in there.

None of it, none of it sexual anymore, but there's a lot of things that used to be sexual. But one of the things they do is they give you this new name and that's how you're supposed to be able to get into heaven. Oh, interesting. When do you get that name? No, no, no, but when do you get that name? Like, what part of your life? We got that name when you take out your endowments.

And for us, that was when we got married. It's like a temple marriage. Yeah, a temple marriage. So you're allowed to get into heaven when you get married. But what happens if someone passes before they get married? They don't get into heaven? Because they didn't get the name. It's just your name.

You have to give your name to basically God as their thinking. That's your password. No, I know, but I mean, you get a name at birth. This is what I'm trying to understand. You're telling me that this name gets you into heaven and you don't get this name until you're married. So what happens to a four-year-old if they don't get, like they don't get the name yet? So they can't get into heaven? I don't get it.

Yeah, that's, you're getting into stuff that this is, these are the problems. Oh, okay. These are the questions that you might have had to. Okay. They're still sealed to their parents and they can get in because it's for your endowments, not necessarily when you get married. It's a step before you get married. Okay. Okay.

Yeah, I don't know what the fuck are endowments. I don't even know what that means. It's just a whole bunch of special promise and stuff. Like you'll kill yourself if you ever do anything sexual and that's one of the big problems. There's two big things that I had. Yeah, so it used to be in the 90s that you would have to make emotion like you're slitting your throat if you ever discussed anything that happens in a temple and or you would be disemboweled and you'd have to make a motion like being disemboweled across your stomach.

And that is if you ever do anything. So you make all these covenants promises that you won't be sexual, you won't do anything, you won't think bad thoughts. And so you go through all. all this stuff in the temple and then imagine being who I am and having all, because everything is about being chased and pure and then you're me and I'm not really those things. Yeah, and I'm sure there's plenty of people. I'm sure there's plenty of people in your world that are the same. You know what I mean? I mean, who is that pure? I'm like, they are. I think souls are.

That's when you, when you die, you become that person again. But I think the nature of being a human being, like it's all about being not pure, right? Like, and just figuring shit out, right? it just doesn't make sense. So wait a second, did she have to buy into all this stuff? Obviously, because she got the name, right, when she converted it? Right.

And so they just give random names? No, they're not random. It seemed like it at the time, but then you go look it up, and it's all based on the calendar. So it's based on the day of the month that you go through the temple. It's kind of interesting.

And then do you change your name on everything, like on your driver's license, or is this just like another side name? I don't get it. No, this is a secret name that I'm, I'm going to be killed for telling you now. These are super special. I'm not supposed to tell anybody.

So, no, I still have my normal name, but this is my special godly name. And I can't know yours. Oh, and my wife is not supposed to know mine either. And you weren't supposed to know your wife? No, I could know hers because I had to say her name to get her into heaven. So the women, because they're subject to men, always are second-class citizens. The men know everything. I could know her name.

She couldn't know mine. Interesting. Did you get home and just like, hey, by the way, what's your name? And let me tell you my name. Like, I mean, did you just reveal your names right away to each other? Or were you still buying into it at this point? No, I don't, I never told her. I never told her until we left. And then I finally told her. I was like, oh, yeah, by the way, my name is Simeon. The only reason I could ever remember is because it sounded like seaman. Oh my God. Yeah, I said Sibian. You said Simeon. You said Simeon. We're let's know where our minds are at. But wait a second. So, okay, so how and why and when do you guys decide to like, you know, end? being Mormon. 2019, 2020, TikTok comes around and all of a sudden we are saying all kinds of great information. TikTok was very bad for the Mormon culture. I've heard that TikTok has

converted, like got other people to end it because like they found stuff on TikTok. That's interesting. Oh, for sure. Is that a big thing in your community that TikTok has done that to a lot of people? Yeah, I feel like it's taking off. So we had two things happen at the same time. We had TikTok assaulting our religion on

one side and then we have the other side of TikTok that's like oh come over to the dark side where all the naked people hang out and have fun and we're like who this seems more like us oh you mean like all the sex stuff on TikTok yes so we're learning a lot about you know nudist resorts and swingers resorts and so we start getting into that not that we swing we're not into that but boy we really learned that we love exhibitionism laying out naked and just being free so you were going the best sex of our lives, yeah. It's just, we were like, this is more our speed. Oh, no, no, you need to talk about that a little bit. And this is before you left the church, though. No, we did this after. Okay. So let's get to the point where you leave and then let's get to the point where you go to swingers clubs and stuff. Even though

you don't do with other people, you are like there in those places. So I want to get those stories. But so who raises their hand and says, let's like, let's stop being Mormon. Who decides that between the two of you? Well, Abigail definitely, she had been out for a long time mentally. And finally, I woke up and said, hey, I want out. And she's like, oh, thank goodness. I've been hiding so much from you for so long. I've been watching porn and drinking coffee and doing all these things. And she was just like, and she's like, oh, I'm glad we can finally do this stuff together.

So, wait, you're not allowed to drink coffee, but do you have like Starbucks on every corner like everywhere else? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. That could be torture if you're really following the rules. Like your temptation is all around. Well, that's one of the questions I ask you to be able to go into the temple is whether or not you're worthy. And part of that is not drinking coffee, not drinking alcohol, you know, all that stuff.

So if you drink coffee, you're not supposed to go to the temple. Wow, because it's like a drug. They look at it as a drug. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's no different than marijuana. But marijuana is okay as long as it's prescribed. You just can't get a prescription for coffee apparently.

Right. But did you not have a coffee pot in your house growing up? Did your parents really not drink coffee? I don't know. No. They really didn't? No, we had a lot of fights over that. Me, why? Who wanted the coffee? Who was fighting with who?

Abigail, I wanted the coffee. I wanted the coffee when I was a kid. My parents hated it. It's just something so stupid. Right, but your parents followed those rules. Like they never had coffee. Oh, yeah. Wow. So, bye. It's fascinating. Okay, so you tell her I want to leave in. What's that process like? Were your parents horrified? I didn't really give a shit. It wasn't, I don't care. Yeah, but how, I don't, I'm not asking about you. Obviously, you've had a mind of your words. as a get to go. How did they feel about it? I'm sure they hated it. They were pretty happy when I came back after leaving when I was a kid. And so I was kind of the prodigal son for a period of time there. Then when I left, I felt like they realized it was all falling apart.

Yeah, that's just not something that's acceptable in the religion. They're definitely still trying and would very much want me to be back. So it just never goes away. How long have you not been in? 2020, so going on in seven years. Okay. So at that point when you tell them, do they do they, disown you or no? No, they didn't disown me. No. Okay. That's good. No, they're not that kind of parent. Right. Okay. But they just like, are, you know, are there things that you're not, like, allowed to be a part of because you're not Mormon anymore? Oh yeah. I can't be a part of any temple stuff and I don't want to be. I just, I just cut all that stuff out. Right. And so did you have to,

like, sign papers and stuff? Like, is it a formal process? Yeah, we did. We actually sent in paperwork through quitmormon.org to basically take our names off the record so that hopefully they don't send people to our house and track us and do all the stuff that they do because they're weird. What do you mean? They do that to people that leave the church? Yeah, if you leave and you don't take your records off, then they'll come hunt you down for years and years. To try to get you to go back? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Wow, fascinating. They'll never leave you alone. And do you live in a place where it's like all Mormon? Is that what it's like? Is it like,

where is this place again? It's in Salt Lake City. It's, it's, Utah adjacent. Right, right. In Utah, Jason's heavily. the Mormon population. So these people are walking to people's houses because everyone's in the same location. Oh yeah, they're just like the vehicle warranty people. Wow. Okay, so you get out

and tell me about your little nudist trips and your swinger clubs. Yes, so along with all the other stuff we're finding out about religion, we find out about swingers. And I was like, so this is, I'm like, this is for real? You're telling me this stuff? for real because we've seen things like movies and stuff and you'd heard the rumors about teachers and

but you're like wow this is really for real and they told us about sex clubs i'm like oh my gosh that sounds wild yeah and we remember a time in our early 20s when we were wild and we were thinking we wanted to go to hedonism and i think that was before they had an old location and so that sat on the back burner from 20 till 40 and all of a sudden we see that we're learning about swingers clubs and we remember that we were hearing about hedonism so we look it up you know i like, yeah, it's a lifestyle resort. And we just really start immersing ourselves and what is this stuff learning about it for research purposes only. Just research only.

Do you ever wind up going? We do. Wow. It took us a while and I brought it up with Abigail and she says, yeah, that sounds interesting. She's like, I'm a little terrified, but I'm curious. But she's down. She's down. And so I do a little bit of reconnaissance and we're going to take a trip and there's a club in Florida.

I mean, there's clubs all over Florida and there's one that's fairly close. So we were like, let's just go check it out. And it took us a while and right before Christmas in 2021, we finally take the leap and go to a club. And we were the typical couple that was just scared to go in. We're like getting the, we're getting the lay of the land. And they're giving us the tour, you know, so you know what you can and can't do it

and where you can do things. And they're describing things. We're like, oh yeah, there was an orgy in here last night and you should have seen it. And we're like, is this stuff really? And I'm still kind of skeptical. I'm like, they're saying these things happen, but I just can't really see people doing this at that point of time.

I'm like, I'm going to have to see it to believe it. Yeah. And so we go and we get to tour and pretty timid. That's the way everybody starts. And we're just walking. We're sitting at the bar on the premium side and really not talking to anybody. And somebody invites us into this room that's kind of a boy room. They're like, well, we'll have this side over here and you guys can have the bed.

And we're like, okay, this doesn't seem too bad. It doesn't seem too uncomfortable. So we get on the bed and the Abigail, the person's like, I'm not doing anything. And pretty soon we're just, we're full on. She's like, okay, that's fine. We're good. Abigail. Put Abigail on the phone real quick.

Abigail was all in. She was all in. She's like, she forgot about everything for a little bit. It was just enough privacy that, and she realized that, yeah, this is kind of fun. It's fun to be watched. So Abigail, you realize you're like a little bit into being an exhibitionist? Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

Once we got in there and, yeah. But we took our mask off and we were just all in. Oh, because this is still COVID time, like people are wearing masks? No, I think, I'm talking about like your, you know, you take your mask off and show who you really are. What do you mean your mask? Oh, just meaning like your figure, like that you're not talking about a real mask. Yeah, figuratively. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I got it. And you finally realize, you know what, this is who I am and I'm totally okay with it. Yeah, wow. And we're around other people who are doing the same exact thing. and it's really empowering to just go in there and focus on him and just have a really good time. So Abigail, just like curious, like, you know, I don't know that much about you before all of this, where we got a little bit. But like, is it like shocking to you at that moment that like this is like where you're at and you're doing this or were you always like super open-minded and curious?

We've always been very open-minded and curious ever since our early age. Okay. We put that aside for the religion and raising kids and whatnot. And then at this time, we just realize, you know what, this is what it is and we are who we are. And yeah, we really enjoy it. Exhibitionism is just one of the best things ever. What about being a voyeur and watching too? I'm not as much of a voyer as I like to perform is more of what I have to do.

Interesting. Yeah, this is how you find out, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. we were we were very curious and exploratory before we had kids and we had kids kind of late you know late 20s early 30s and it's like raising kids we just lost our language to communicate about sex somehow i don't know how it happened because we were very we had been to strip clubs and stuff and we were earlier we had done all the you know the wild things that we thought were wild at that time and just sex in public yeah sex in public oh okay so you were like very open yeah i got it so you weren't like it wasn't like you were so Vanella before, even though you were part of this religion and stuff. You guys were

like open and stuff. So you come full circle after your kids are out of the house. I get why you sort of go away from that when you have kids. You get so involved with them and stuff. You know what I mean? And so your guys are just like coming back into your own. You're like who you were before and now you're a little bit even more balzy. You're older. You have more palsy because you're taking it further, way further now. We just totally regress back to who we were before kids because the same time we had kids who got involved in religion, so everything stopped. Now all those things are gone, those distractions,

and we can go just back to being who we were. Right. So go on, Abigail. So you had a great time that night. Yes. I was on such a high that night. Oh, I was just going to say we saw a swap that night, which was really, too. But yeah, and there was all.

Okay, so we saw the swap. There was that. And then we were also in another room where a couple of gals, were giving their guys blow jobs. And he looks at me. He's like, what do you think? And I'm like, okay. So we were in a small room and there was three of us giving blow jobs.

And it was just, it was so exciting. We did see a full swap that night. So again, it's just like, you hear of all these things that are going on and to actually see them with your own two eyes is like, wow. You know, okay, this stuff actually does exist. And it is exciting. And, you know, I guess that's when the voyeurism, I mean, there is a little enjoyment in that for me.

Yeah. But definitely, definitely what gets me off is that. exhibitionism. But yeah, we left that place that night on such a high. It was just like, wow, you know, mind's blown, you know, mind open to all the possibilities out there. Like, yeah, it was, we unlocked a lot that night. Yeah, that's crazy. And then where do you go from there? Because you know, though, at this point, right? I'm assuming because you don't, you're not open, you don't want to open your relationship and be with other people, right? But you want to enjoy this kind of stuff together. And I think that that's like a real great thing for a couple that wants to

remain monogamous and not be with other people, right? But you can add so much to your own sex life, right, by doing stuff like this. And in a swingers club, that's totally cool. No one's pressuring you to do anything more. Right? And that was one of my biggest fears. It's like, well, I don't want to be approached and I don't want, you know, some of their guys to like try to pick up on me. And, you know, that's, that was always in the back of my mind. But, you know, going to some of these, I mean, okay, there are some clubs where there are some rude been there. but for the most part everybody in the lifestyle is very accepting

very understanding very respectful I mean we've always had a great great time yeah so it sounds like you've had more experiences than that one oh green door I've heard stuff about that place just don't tell me the bad experience I always like to hear

the negative stuff too I think it's important like what was your experience there that wasn't so great well you know like we said we're exhibitionists and we like to put on scenes for people and so we chose an area that was a private area that had a chain across the door and and the you know like the beaded curtains and we were getting everything prepared because we did bring our blanket we brought a few toys and you know getting everything ready and you could just hear the muffling and the arguing at the door and there was like

probably five or six guys at the door like fighting to see in the door and they were just being really rude and really loud and you know it almost felt like hyenas on a fresh kill you know they just they were like pawed at the door to get in. So, Simian was getting a little frustrated. He's like, hey, you know,

if you'd actually shut the fuck up, we can, you know, get this going for you. And some other guy, he's like, well, you shut the fuck up.

And, and well, let's just say that totally killed the mood. Oh, my God. That was it. Yeah, that's bad.

And then we left. And now he almost got in a fight with one of the guys that was getting really aggressive and getting in his face. And yeah, we couldn't get out of there fast enough. Yeah,

that's the kind of stuff that should not. be going down and should not be allowed to be going down at places. And I have heard negative stories and I'm thinking it's from that same place, but maybe not. I don't really remember. It could be. Well, and from now on, I mean, from then on, we chose places that are more couples oriented and they let less single men in because I just, the single man, I'm, no, unless you're a respectful single male, I'm good. Those are the guys I've talked to. I've talked to successful guys in the lifestyle and what I like to have their episodes on to show like this is how you have to be to be successful in the lifestyle.

You know what I mean? Because, and those guys do very well and they do get included and, you know, allowed to places. But because a lot of places do have to limit it because of those kinds of problems, you know? Well, we did have, we had a great experience in New Orleans that we were again put on a scene in the theater. And a guy, you know, kind of came over and tapped him. He's like, hey, do you mind if I join in? And he's like, you know, we're good, but thank you. You know, and it was very respectful.

And then he went on his way. But, you know, guys like that, I don't mind. I don't mind performing for him. I don't mind them seeing. But when they get up in my business, when I don't want them in my business, then that's there's a problem. Yeah. And what are your scenes?

I mean, do you get any, like, is it just like you guys just having sex or is there kind of like role playing going down? Like, what are your scenes that you're talking about? We just get wild. We just expect in all kinds of different positions. Yeah, yeah. He likes to be strapped to a cross and beat to within an inch of her life. You're kidding.

I mean, come on, you say that like it's no big deal. This is why I have to ask for details. So our favorite club here a few weeks ago, we were there. And it was kind of an afternoon. They're open for a Sunday afternoon. It's probably one of the best clubs that I found in the U.S. What's a name? Why don't you give it out of a shout-off?

It's called Squirrel Creek. Charlotte Ranch in Colorado. Okay. What is it called? What ranch? I feel like I've heard of it. What's a ranch name? Scarlet Ranch.

Scarlet Ranch. Okay, go on. But it's really nice and it was just kind of a dead Sunday afternoon downstairs. And so I said, well, we get on the cross. And she gets on the cross. And I always wear a leather belt for very specific purposes of clubs. Yeah. And so I pull that out after she's up there.

And we just start doing the green, yellow, red. And I was surprised. We started off green. Then she's like, no, green, green, green. And that just means keep going. harder and so then she gets to yellow and then we get to red and she's like that was red and she's like do it again yeah and i was like okay and i'm like i am really i'm really i'm taking a full swing i was like wow this is wild and she was she was absolutely in pleasure mode through the whole thing

almost having orgasms from being spanked with the belt right and did you i mean this is something i obviously you guys have been into for a while it's developing about fighters yeah yeah Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Just like flogs and spanking and stuff like that. And just any kind of, she likes that pain, but that's the weird thing. To me, that's yuck. Don't do that to me. I got spanked to the belt as a kid. I'm good. Right. But for her, I'm like, wow, this is wild.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you dig it. That's so interesting. So do you go all the time now? We try to go every few weeks. We're in a very remote rural area. So it's a jaunt to go anywhere. have you made friends in the lifestyle? Yeah, we have made a few friends for sure. Uh-huh. Yeah, we've seen friends all over the country that we know.

And it's weird how people come out of the woodwork and friends that you already have and they kind of sniff these things out. What do you mean? What do you mean? How? How? How did your friends that you already knew find out? Well, they'll do weird things like you'll have a pineapple necklace and it's just a little thing. They'll zoom in on your picture and see that and be like, see you wear that necklace.

What does that mean? Well, because everybody knows about the. Pineapple now, you know. It wasn't upside down or anything, but yeah, they put that together. And when they reach out to us, we're like, yeah, we'll talk to it. If you're curious, we're just going to open up. Wow. Have you converted any of your friends?

We've had several people. We actually have, yes. Really? Not converted, but they educated them on what the lifestyle is about and they have explored it, yes. Wow. Isn't that so interesting? Yep. Most of them have gone way further than we have.

Yeah. Pretty tame. Yeah. Right. And do you have any plan to ever open things up? or do you like, like the way you have it now is like the way you're going to keep that? So we're okay with sharing women. Him and I have actually had, we've had a three-sum before a few times with the unicorn.

Okay. You need to talk about that. I mean, you're just throwing stuff out of here like I'm supposed to know. Yeah. So girls are okay. Like you've had. Girls are okay. Okay, cool.

All right. And how was that for you? Was that your first experience with the girl? Like, did you always know you were, like, did you ever have any experiences with girls before these threesomes? I have not had any experience. I have secretly been attracted to girls most of my life. I noticed that really in high school,

but never did anything with it until we went to Jamaica and I made out with a girl. Okay. In 21. Yeah. So that was your first clue. Like, okay, I'm into this. And then when do you wind up getting a unicorn? So we met her in Jamaica.

We really clicked with her. Nothing happened in Jamaica, but we kept in contact with her. And we actually met up in a location and just really hit it off. and ended up having a threesome with her and then we flew out again and had another threesome with her and we're still in contact with her. She's great. And at those threesome, at those

threesomes, do you hook up with her as well as your husband? I dabble. I'm still, I'm a novice. I don't know much about it. I'm still learning. I'm still waiting for my really great experience. I really would like to have a dominant female. To show you the ropes?

Yeah, I would really like to be in a dominant female, have a double female in that three-sum relationship but haven't found that yet but Simeon you hook up with the girl yes okay I have on two occasions and Abigail do you get

like are you into seeing him with her like is the whole experience like super hot yeah it is the first time was a little awkward but the second time definitely yeah once I'm getting more once I'm accepting it more with myself that it's okay yeah

interesting separating the act from actual love as well. Yeah, just learning, just learning things. But yeah, now it's, it's definitely more more of a turn on now. Interesting. Okay, so you'll do that again. Like, that's on the table. If the right, if the right opportunity presents itself, you will do it. And you're looking for someone a little bit more dominant so you can have a little bit more experience with a woman, correct? Yes. Yes. Wow. You guys are like peeling back the onion. I got so many different layers here that I didn't even know existed in your story, Simian. Well, and that's part of the Simian's story that I think is

fascinating. Yeah. Because of his young sexual, you know, his sexual exploration when he was young and his curiosity, you know, he has helped me develop my sexual curiosities as well. And we've grown together in exploring those. And so it's been, it's been a ride and I've really enjoyed it. Yeah, well, listen, you guys have taken every ride together. You know what I mean? In the same sense that he's opened you up. I mean, you did things for him. I mean, you guys are a great pair together. You know, you've been through it all together. you know, and did everything together. And now you're exploring together. Absolutely. And that's what we're learning too,

is that each other's pleasure is our biggest turn-on. Like, seeing his pleasure as my turn-on, him seeing my pleasure. Like, I mean, the fact that he wears my panties now is one of the huge turn-ons that he does for me. Interesting. You dig it. Oh, yeah, I got into that, yeah, probably a year ago.

And I don't know. Well, he has his own now, but. I don't wear, not the, you know, to yuck anybody's young, but I really like the very sexy, you know, like a thong. Yeah, satin thong. Or like a bikini, what Brazilian? Brazilian. Or, you know, just anything to kind of accentuate.

I like that because I feel as guys, we don't have enough that we can do to really accentuate ourselves. Right. These, you know, Victoria's Secret Panties that they come out with are super sexy. I love the satin feel. It kind of reminds me of my youth. And it just, it looks good on my body. doesn't, you know, I wouldn't ever wear anything like, like granny panties or little girl

panties or anything. I wouldn't either. That's not my, that's not my style. I like the super sexy, you know. It's like male lingerie. Yeah. I mean, it's super, it's super hot. Yeah, interesting.

Wow. I mean, we could do a whole episode on you being into panties. I love it. It's like a fagish thing. So, yeah, I'm so obsessed with your whole story and your whole journey because really that's what it has been, right? And you've come so far. I think it's great.

Like I said, I love couples that, like, play together but aren't that open, you know, because I think a lot of times some people aren't going to be as hardcore as people on my show, right?

So it gives it sort of like, I feel like some people that aren't as hardcore is like super great to hear from because it gives other vanilla people, like I said, who maybe don't want to fully open up, like an example of like what they could do

to spice things up. And it sounds like things are very spiced up in your guy's marriage. now. Yeah, we've been at this now for six years maybe and I think we're pretty happy. Not that we would never consider a couple or something like that. It's just we're very picky. We've been together forever and we're just not going to lose that over some rando. And we like to always say, you know, never say never. We're not going to say we're never going

to swap. It's just at this time we're good where we're at. If the possibility comes up in the future, you know, we'll explore it. Yeah. Well, listen, you guys, like I said, I've always been on the same page and you're both like, you know, it's not like anyone's like Jonesing for something that the other one doesn't want or anything. So, you know, that's, you're lucky that way. You know what I mean? For sure. You're very compatible. I love it. I love your whole story. Go on. And the one thing I will say about Simeon, too, is I don't know how other women feel about this, but him, he's a very masculine male. And blue collar, you know, muscled, chiseled, you know, masculine male. So for him to show that vulnerable side to me, you know, like, hey, you know, I like things in my ass and, hey, you know, I like

to feel upset on my cock and, hey, you know, like for him to show that vulnerable side, extreme turn on. Yeah. Because it just, to let him, again, take his mask off and show me who he really is. Super hot. Yeah. I mean, I would challenge couples to not be afraid to show that side to their spouse because you might be surprised. Yeah, I love that because I remember having this woman on Samantha. They made it into my book and she was like married to this guy. And like, I have a pictures of him because they sent them in for my Patreon and he was like this big huge jack guy that goes to the gym and he wears pandies to the gym. He got into panties like way later in life and she was like so fucking into it and he was like as alpha as you can get. You know what I mean? But this is what

he was into and I love showing those kinds of examples. I love showing people that two things can exist at the same time. You know everyone wants to make everything so black and white and make everything make so much sense but real people and real life doesn't. You know what I mean? Like both things could exist. You could be very masculine and wear panties. You could be very straight and want to play with your ass. You know what I mean? Like all these things like, like some people don't want to believe things like this or, you know,

can happen and do happen. But they happen more than they don't. You know what I mean? That's like real life. Shit, you know? Which I love. Yeah. That's my whole show is about it. I love that you guys called in. Thank you so much for sharing your story. It's fascinating. It'll be up maybe next Tuesday I was thinking or next, the following Monday. Do me a favor if you want to

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