Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1563 - Is Your Body Trying to Tell You Something? The Mind-Body Connection Explained w/ Dr. Demartini
Episode Date: August 22, 2026Dr. John Demartini called in to discuss the connection between psychology and physical health and why he believes your body's symptoms are giving you important feedback. Tune in to hear all the detail...s including how being raised to see things as one-sided can affect us, why the desire for what is unobtainable and trying to avoid what is unavoidable can create stress and suffering, how black-and-white thinking can make us less resilient, the connections he draws between emotions and thyroid issues, knee problems, digestive issues and chronic stress, how stress can affect the liver and other parts of the body, the emotional states he connects to car crashes and the crazy car crash story he shares, what he says about psychosomatics and autoimmune conditions, how he traced one mans neck issue back to something that happened during gestation, his Breakthrough Experience and what people get out of it, the incredible hurdles he overcame in his own life and a whole lot more. You can find him here: https://drdemartini.com GET A COPY OF THE STRICTLY ANONYMOUS BOOK! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY HERE: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd or Pre-order audiobook version here To see HOT pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at strictlyanonymouspodcast@gmail.com or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show." Want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com — Buy 2 months of Bluechew GOLD and get the third month FREE! Use code: STRICTLYANON https://beduc.at/pd2630-anonymous Click here to take the quiz and get your personalized SUMMER roadmap to sexual happiness https://LoadBoost.com- To get 10% off LOAD BOOST by VB Health, use code: STRICTLY Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ X https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else: https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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been there, done that. He's wrote 43 paperback books. He does seminars all over the world. On this
podcast, on this episode, since I've got the whole sexual health Saturdays series, we are here to
talk about decoding the body's messages. Okay. He's here to say that your body is not broken. It's
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And let me tell you, he breaks it all down. It's not just like totally woo-woo.
stuff. I mean, he has all kinds of information to back up what he has to say. He gives so many
amazing stories, so many great examples of how things affect your physical body. He also talks
about the breakthrough experience that he has to offer. He does it online now. He's so interesting,
we go through so much about physical health. And then towards the end, we do talk about his
breakthrough experience of what he's done. And then at the end, I should have probably asked,
him in the beginning because he has such an interesting backstory. When you hear like what he
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Hi, Dr. D. Mortini.
Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous Podcast.
How are you today?
I'm doing great.
Kathy, thank you.
No, thanks for being on my show.
Listen, I know you.
To me, you're one of like, you're like a very big name in the self-help world.
And half my life was spent reading all the books, doing all the things, self-helping myself,
totally, right?
You are a world-renowned human behavior expert.
your educator, researcher, chiropractor, and a best-selling author.
You have 43 books, right, at this point?
43?
Is that the total?
43 paperbacks, yes, and there's a lot of other texts.
Oh, my God, crazy.
And you basically help people all over the world better themselves, right?
You have the breakthrough experience program that you have.
We'll talk about that at the end.
But today, we're going to talk about decoding the body's messages, right?
Like you're here to say like your body's not broken.
It's just trying to tell you something.
Is that like the whole mind-body connection thing or is that something more?
Well, your physiology is a byproduct of your perceptions.
Right.
And so when your perceptions are skewed and balanced and you're not seeing what's actually
there, you're only seeing what you realize.
Your physiology will create signs and symptoms to let you.
you know it to give you an option to interpret the symptoms as feedback to guide you back to an
authentic state where you're seeing things as it actually is in a way that empowers you.
Right. So it's not like, oh, you get a symptom or you have something, some sort of ongoing
illness and there's nothing you could do about it. I mean, right? You're saying that it's,
sometimes it's just a message or a signal that something's wrong and you need to pay attention
to it, but so many people just don't believe that for some reason.
Well, it may not even be wrong.
It may just be a guide.
I don't like to put a moral language on it because that sometimes limits it.
But it's simply feedback.
Let me give an example.
Okay.
If you perceive somebody challenging you, criticizing, rejecting, something of that nature,
and your sympathetic nervous system comes online, your blood pressure will go up,
Your heart rate will go.
Your platelets will thicken.
Your lipids will go into the blood.
And you'll increase the probability of arterioschrosis, hypertension, ethrosis,
and your pancreas will release glucagon
and actually increase the probability of having diabetics response.
So the symptoms are feedback to let you know that you're perceiving a challenge without a support,
a negative without a positive, a pain without a pleasure,
predator without a prey, a challenge that you're not seeing, you're unconscious of the upsides
and benefits of that moment. So your body is giving your symptoms to let you know it. If you stop
and ask what are the benefits of this, then the blood pressure comes down. The blood sugar comes
down. It changes. So our physiologies guide to remind us when we're not seeing whole,
we're still only apart. Right. So you're saying it's not even about like rethinking things. It's
kind of like about stopping in that moment and kind of shifting your attention to like what is
my body trying to tell me as opposed to staying in whatever that state was that was creating
the physiological things that were happening? It's giving you feedback. Right. It's like if you're
infatuated, meet somebody you're infatuated with. Yeah. And you're conscious of the upsides and
unconscious of the downsides. You're going to get a parasympathetic response, a disempsonsor. A
desire to impulsively attract to them, you're going to want to nibble on them, if you will.
Yeah.
And so what happens is you're going to call them sweetheart and cupcake and sweetie pie and
honey bunny and all these different sweet terminologies because of that natural parasympathetic
desire to digest and rest.
You want to kiss on them and then take them to bed, if you will.
as a result of that, the parasympathetic is giving you a sign that you're blind to the downside.
Just like you're blind to the upside. Now you're blind to the downside.
Because in a day, a week, a month, a year, you're going to find out that this person's not the fantasy that you imagined.
Right. Yeah.
And then as that calms down and you start to see both sides simultaneously, you start to finally realize that you love somebody.
If you ask somebody who's been married, I'm about to go to a 50th, a third.
year anniversary tonight at a dinner.
Yeah. And they've been married 50 years.
I know them very well. And I asked
him if you could list both the positives and negatives of somebody,
this partner you with for 50 years, they could rattle off
100 positives, 100 negatives. But when you've met somebody for the first time
and you're infatuated and go, oh, my God.
There's no negatives. You can't think of the negatives. You can only think of the
bogs. And then when you resent somebody and you want to kill them
almost. You can think of the negatives without the positive. So emotions that are polarized are
incomplete awarenesses and it's, and it's you're unconscious. And whenever you're unconscious,
your certainty goes down and you're having now dramatic emotional vicissitudes and
volatility. So when you can ask questions to make you conscious of the part you're overlooking
and become fully conscious, you can stabilize yourself and change.
it and your symptoms dissolve.
They let you know it.
And you get a tear of gratitude.
When you actually balance it, you get a tear of gratitude because you see the hidden
order in the apparent chaos.
Interesting.
And it's probably like what you're saying sounds kind of very simple, right?
But probably a lot harder to do in the moment than it sounds, right?
Well, we're so programmed from childhood.
Yeah.
Your mother, your grandmother, everybody around you, your schoolteacher said,
Now be nice, don't be mean, be kind, don't be cool, be positive, don't be negative.
Be generous, don't be stingy.
They're trying to make you one-sided in a world that's not one-sided.
You know, I'm not a nice person.
I'm a nice person if you support my values.
I'm nice as a pussycat.
You challenge my values.
I mean, it's a tiger.
So I'm not, I'm an individual with a unique set of values that are filtering my reality
and I can play either side.
Yeah.
And so trying to get rid of.
half of yourself and try to love yourself is contradictory.
But owning both sides of yourself and loving both sides of other people liberate you.
Yeah.
And that's what brings wellness.
That's wellness instead of illness.
Illness is the pursuit of that which is unobtainable and the avoidance of that which
is unavoidable.
Oh my God.
Say that again?
Because that's brilliant.
And it's like you could break that down even more because that's like says you're
saying so much in such a short little sentence.
Well, the desire for that which is unobtainable.
and the desire to avoid that which is unavoidable is the source of all human suffering.
Right. Like what you resist persists.
Exactly. That's a young end idea that, you know, can you be yourself in a world that doesn't want you to be?
Oh my God, I know. Can you be both-sided? Can you be both-sided in a world that wants you to be one-sided?
The fantasy of one-sidedness is the addiction of the dopamine rush that comes from the amyglo, which is the animal brain,
searching for that which is unobtainable. Right. And these fantasies are what bring all.
lot of our nightmares together and create our symptoms.
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I mean, I think that it's much easier for people or for most people to see things as very
black or white, right?
This or that.
They see one side or the other.
but it's not that simple, you know, but a lot of people don't allow for that, you know,
and that's therein lies a problem, I think.
Exactly.
The more fundamentally radical you are and extreme you are.
Yeah.
The more you exaggerate into all or nuns and absolutes, the less resilient, adaptable,
and the lower the emotional, you might say, intelligent you have.
Now, there's only two forms of stress in life, only two.
Yeah.
The perception of laws or non-obtainance of,
that what you seek and the abtention of gain and non-escaping of that what you avoid.
Wait, wait. Say that second one again?
The inability to escape or avoid that what you're trying to avoid.
Right, right. Not having control. Not having control over something.
Those are both out of, yeah, because you're wanting it. So what's interesting is, if you stop and
look at any moment you've ever had stress, you'll find out it's a perception of loss of something you're
seeking or the perception of gaining of something you're trying to avoid.
And the more polarized you are, the less resilient and adaptable you become.
And the more infatuated you are, the more you fear their loss.
Right.
The more resentful you are, the more you fear their gain.
So you're living in fear because of your own misperceptions.
Not because of anything outside you.
It's because of your own perceptions.
And each one creates signs and symptoms in the body to let you know it.
Right.
To try to get you to see things in a loving manner,
or both sides are there.
Because, you know, the truth is I'm an individual with both sides.
I want to love for both sides.
I don't want to have to be one side to fit your fantasy.
Yeah.
I love that.
If only more people felt that way, though.
That's the problem, I think.
Sometimes people just, you know, give up that one side of themselves because they're so
afraid of that backlash.
But everyone has it, right?
Yeah.
Anytime you try to repress one side of yourself, you attract people and events in your life
to force it back out into expression.
You can't, you can't sustain one-sidedness. It's not obtainable.
Right. Yet so many people do try. Now, what are like, give me like some real live examples of like
specific kinds of symptoms that people have and where it could be coming from.
Well, I used to work a lot, many years ago, with people with hypothyroidism.
Okay. That's a good one. And I found a pattern in many of the hypothyroid. I found out many of them are women.
And some of the women were having their second or third child.
They stopped their careers.
And now their husband's taken care of him.
He's now having to have a bigger house.
I call it the second house third child syndrome.
He's now going to work harder.
She's not having to work harder with the kids.
They're being a bit distance because they're not having time for each other.
Then she's afraid to speak up about it because she's dependent on him now.
So she represses what she's saying.
the thyroid gland originates from the thyroblossal duck which is from the tongue believe or not
that's why people that have low thyroid it originates from the tongue and so people are low thyroid
have thick slow speaking tongue and they end up with the you know metabolic drop and fatigue and
not having energy and they end up having dry hair and there's a certain symptoms to go with it
and this is because they're not saying what they want to say it
it lowers the thyroid and the hyperthyroid the hyperthyroid are people that are tactlessly saying
regardless of what other people think so there's no someone like that yeah go on so so when the
hypothyroid comes in they are able to say things and not worry about they're tactless they don't care
what you think about it they just speak up yeah and the other ones are afraid of it so these two
poles of activity are associated with hyper and hypothyroidism as an example so each of our
Each of our organs, each of our glands, each of our tissues, express emotions.
Now, we're all familiar with the facial muscle expressions, right, that are emotions,
smile and frown and things.
Yeah.
But every muscle and every joint is related to an emotion.
If you have a knee joint, the purpose of the knee is to stand up to authority.
Giving into authority is bending of the knee.
So straightening the knee is standing up to it.
So people have difficulty straightening the knee, their meniscus, then they have some issue with
standing up to authority and speaking their mind.
And the other one is the person that's afraid of giving in to authority.
They have difficulty giving in, so they want them to listen to them.
So these these psychologies affect our joints, affect our muscles, affect our organs,
through visceral, somatic, and sentry mechanisms.
So if you understand applied physiology, you can read a lot about what's going on in people's lives.
Yeah, I mean, like this isn't just like woo-woo stuff.
I mean, you have like all this stuff to back it up.
Like I just finished, I just finished presenting a program to help professionals for five days.
Wow.
A thousand page textbook I've written on the correlations between psychosomatics.
And it's a very solid autonomic, epigenetic endocrine specific.
aspect. It's not,
Alexander Lowen showed
posture impacting psychology.
If the serotonin levels go up,
your more chest is out.
If the serotonin levels go down,
the chest is in.
You can't.
High serotonin goes with pride,
and low serotonin goes with shame.
So each of the signal molecules,
transmitters, modules,
you know, regulators,
hormones, which are signal
molecules, all are associated with different
emotions. That's why Candace Perth called it
molecules of emotion. Oh my God. What other ones? I love how you connected the hypothyroidism and
you know to the to the tongue and that was speaking your mind or not and that the posture related to
like shame or self-worth. Like what other ones can you talk about just because like if someone has
something chronic like chronic like always they have stomach issues like what could be going on
in that person? Like I love these little tidbits because they're so interesting.
the the sympathetic nervous system when we're under fight or flight you're being challenged yeah the sympathetic
system makes all of our blood supply go back out or most of our blood supply go back out to the periphery
for our muscles for running and for fighting but the digestive tract shuts down right and so our mucus
secretions our serious glands goblet cells our peristaltic action slows down the secretion slowed
down. So our digestion, our microbiome is off. Our digestion shut down. And what happens is in
the small intestine shuts down the enzymes from the pancreas and the bile from the liver. It shuts it
down, congests it up, dries it out. Yeah. And increases our constipation. slows everything down because
we're in fight or flight because we're not meant to eat during that time. Right. Our leptin,
our leptin goes up, our grayling goes down so we stop our interest in eating. There's two types of
stress responses when you're stressed, you can overeat or under eat. If you're losing something
you're seeking, you overeat. If you feel like you're gaining something you don't want, you under eat.
So these are very, very clear and precise reasons why we do it. And our liver and our gall matter,
our byproducts, their derivatives from the intestine, small intestine, they go through a common bile duct
and go into the amply voderm and go right into the intestines at the duodenum. And so when that doodum shut down,
sphincter locks up on the ampula, backs up the gall, congested, increases gallstones,
backs up the liver, increases liver problems.
And so we can literally manifest that from a chronic stress response.
And if we're angry and galled, we create the sympathetic response and it affects the liver.
And even Hippocrates referenced this.
So this is not new.
This is old stuff.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
Well, and I'm assuming that you don't believe in like a quick fix, right?
So like what is it that people could focus on instead?
Like if there isn't a quick fix to these kind of issues, like what is the process of sort
of working through this?
Well, if a person is having an acute hepatitis and acute cirrhosis, well, not acute,
but a chronic cirrhosis from drinking or something or liver cancer, you don't want to,
you're going to do a long term and an immediate response.
Right.
Because you might have an emergency.
Of course.
So in some cases, you need emergency care.
Yeah.
In other cases, you need to supplement that with changing lifestyle, changing attitude, et cetera.
Yeah.
So each of these organs give some indication and patterns of psychology that you might ask questions, narrow them down.
And then there's ways of asking new questions to help you see things you didn't see before and change your perspective.
See, the quality of our life is basically quite the questions we ask.
And each question makes you conscious of,
what you're unconscious of. And most of the illness comes from being unconscious of something in our
environment. So if we can ask questions and become more fully conscious and see both side to things,
we can bring wellness and increase use stress, not distress. And we can bring transformation and
healing. It happens every week in programs that I've been blessed to do. I've watched it over and
over again. People have chronic illnesses and they start to transform them when they start clearing
misperceptions and balancing out their way they see life. Yeah, I remember having some sort of
vertigo come on suddenly. And when I went and did a deep dive on it, I just found these forums
with people that had it there for years. And I was like, life's too short to be one of these people.
Like, I need to fucking fix this. You know, and I believe very much in mind body. Like, what is my
like, I believe in like, what is this happening? Why is this happening? What's going on with me
emotionally, you know? And once I figured it out, like, boom, it was like gone. You know what
me once I kind of like figured out what it was and what I was being overwhelmed with and the fact
that I didn't need to be overwhelmed and I could deal and I was like fucking strong enough like it went
away in two seconds you know what I mean and and so I totally believe it like how do you how like
when you say like you ask the questions like how do people ask the question and how do they
receive the answer well I'll use an example you mentioned vertigo yeah doesn't there's
vertigo.
Yeah.
That can be because of a lot of things.
It could be your semicircular canals are affected.
And your autonomic nervous system, believe or not, has little filaments and fibers that do impact
this function of the semicircular canal, the thickness of the fluids of tetra.
You also can have neck and injuries to the neck and have trigger points in the neck.
and every time you move your neck or stretch your neck, you can get dizziness and vertigo.
Yeah.
It can also be from another aspect of the inner ear because of sounds, asymmetry and sounds.
So there's kind of a differential diagnosis that you first go through and narrow down exactly
what is the cause of it.
Right.
Once you do, then you can look at the psychology that patterns that are typically associated with it
and ask them questions.
If they have an emotion, a strong emotion, it's buried.
inside it's associated with it, then you can go in there and find out, okay, what exactly,
because an emotion means that you're seeing more positives and negatives or more negatives and
positives. That's all you're seeking or avoiding. Yeah. And so if you're seeking, I ask,
what are the downsides of what you're seeking to calm it? If you're avoiding, what are the upsides
to it? And they think, well, there is no upside. The other is, there is no such thing as something
that's positive or negative. There's something that we make it. As Milton said, we can make a heaven out of a
hell or a hell out of heaven thinking makes it so.
Right.
William James said the greatest discovery of his generations,
a human beings can alter their lives by alternate perceptions and attitudes of mind.
Your perception, decisions, and actions, you have control of her.
And if you choose to see only the downsides, things become traumatic.
If you choose to see only the upsides, things become ecstatic.
If you choose to see both sides, you realize that it's an experience of love and it's
trying to help you in your mastery of life.
Right.
But where would someone find out like what this vertigo is attached to?
Or do you have a handbook that you created that you listed out?
Yes.
Oh, okay.
That's what I'm, that's interesting.
Yeah, that's the thousand page handbook that I just had people go through with me for five days.
Yeah, amazing.
Yeah, it goes through all those differentials and it goes through and it asks different questions.
Some are more easily addressed because somatically.
Others may require intervention.
So it depends on what they are.
If you've had a car crash and you've injured your inner ear, that's another story.
Yeah.
Then you've got to ask, you know, where were you cocky and proud at the moment you got crashed?
Oh, interesting.
Yeah.
Yeah, because you attract tragedies whenever you're cocky or manic.
Yeah.
Anytime you go above equilibrium, tragedies bring you back down.
Yeah.
And just like comedies bring you back up when you're down.
So there's mechanisms in society that give you feedback.
and I used to do it when I was in practice.
I used to take car accidents.
We had them every single day in the practice.
We used to analyze the car injuries and what was happening and where did they hit you from
front or from the back or from the side.
Each of those had some different message back to our lives.
You are kidding.
Like you saw a correlation of like things that made sense.
Oh, my God.
Can I share a story?
Yeah, please.
Please.
Okay, so I had a lady named Betty.
and she was already a patient of mine and she was married to a guy named Bill.
Bill was working on a doctorate degree in Divinity, who was wanting to be a minister.
And she had an herbal life company at the time.
Now, she was a little bit feeling left out because he's working long hours and then he's going to classes in the night and he's hardly seeing her.
So she's feeling a little, you know, not getting attention from her husband.
Yeah.
It's not that she doesn't love him, she does love him, but she just kind of wished she had more attention.
And he's just having to focus.
There's just no way you can get this doctorate degree without working a butt off.
So she ends up when because she's feeling neglected by him, you know, when you feel that there's somebody withdrawing from you, nature has a way of making you open your mind for other people.
So all of a sudden a guy appears and starts showing her interest.
And she kind of enjoyed the flirtatious.
She wasn't really interested in, but she was enjoying the conversation.
So this guy was interested in her.
She wasn't really interested in really having a relationship with her, but Bill was not giving
her attention.
So she felt vulnerable.
In the process of doing that, she ended up occasionally meeting for lunch, this other guy,
and never anything sexual, but just sort of, you know, there was some spark there.
One of those things you meet people and it happens sometimes.
Yeah.
Then all of a sudden, she got called by him and you said, let's do this, come over for dinner.
Well, she was now anxious about it.
She was like going, wait a minute.
Now, that may be too far.
She was feeling awkward about it.
But at the same time, Bill's not been around for a while, and she's wanting somebody to give her some attention.
And she's caught between a rock and a hard place.
So she ends up getting in the car and starts to.
to drive over to see this man.
There was a bridge between her, their house and this other man's house.
And when she was going over the bridge, she started having this panic attack.
She was like going, this is not really what I want.
I want this when I'm getting for the man for my husband.
Yeah.
And it's scary me because I'm afraid if I go over that bridge, once I'm there,
it may not be turning back.
I made something that's not what I want.
Yeah.
So suddenly when she gets to the top of the bridge, she goes blank, losing control of the car,
spins, hits the guardrail,
gets in a car injury,
etc. When the car stopped
finally, it was pointing directly
to her house. Wow.
I just got the chills, by the way.
Now, when she came into my office
the next morning for her injury,
I asked her a question
because I had a sense
that she might be a little bit more
metaphysically thinking.
Yeah. And I said, you know,
what the hell's going down?
What would make you have a car accident like
You've got something.
You're either elated.
You're either manic or you're cocky and looking down on somebody.
Something's going on.
What's happening?
Yeah.
And she got really irate and just stormed out of my office and how dare you ask for those
questions after an accident.
Yeah.
And she ran to her home.
Too soon.
Too soon.
I've known her for a number of years as a patient.
Something's odd here.
Something she's got some hidden thing going on.
Yeah.
The next morning she comes back to the.
office and she says can I speak with the doctor and I go into the same room from the day before
and she said Dr. D. Mertini when you asked that question yesterday I wasn't ready to handle it
because it was too close because you know Bill but I'm going to spill the beans and she told me
the whole story wow says I was scared going over a bridge I was about to have an affair and if I did it was
it was overwhelming and I lost control of the car and then when I ended in the car I was facing directly
looking at my house and when I did the first person it came was Bill I almost felt like you were you were
and you were asking that question I didn't want to admit that I was thinking about an affair
but at the same time I got what I wanted do you think it's even remotely possible that I did this
to make sure I got my husband I said you tell me wow
I love that. Any other stories like that? I mean, because you're seeing these people as a chiropractor, correct?
When you say they're coming into your office? Well, I don't practice as a chiropractor. I haven't practiced in years.
Okay. So what are they like, what are they coming? What was she coming over? Right. Okay. At the time. Yeah. At the time. At the time. Yeah. But now, now I'm primarily, you know, traveling the world. I'm on my ship right now, sailing in Alaska.
But I travel the world.
I travel the world and educate now.
Yeah, of course.
But I have seen, you know, thousands of people with various health issues over the years that have psychosomatic involvement.
You know, when I first started studying autoimmune conditions in 70s, 1973, there were six listed, scleroderma, lupus, these kind of things, narcolepsy.
And now it's more like 400.
So the relationship between the psychosomatics and the autoimmune conditions are definitely more correlated and seen because we've seen how stress underlies most conditions.
But what is stress?
Stress is simply the perception of loss of something we seek or the perception of gain of something we're trying to avoid.
And once we understand that, we can easily correlate what is that stress, what is the underlying perceptions and expectations we have?
associations we've had, and then we can change those and reduce the stress and change it.
Every time we get stressed, we create an anti-inflammatory or a pro-inflammatory cytokine.
You know, the reason why the COVID caused such a stink, it wasn't just because of COVID.
I'm certain about that. It was because of our cytokine storms that we were creating because of the
stress. Oh, my God. I'm going to get a choice. Yeah. The media and the misinformation campaigns that were
going on at the time that Fauci's now getting to deal with.
It was horrific.
All those things, they created a situation where people were thinking they're going to die
like a cancer diagnosis or something.
Yeah.
And as a result of it, the sympathetic cytokine pro-inflammatory response was super heightened,
which then aggravated a lot of the symptoms we had.
If we would have just had somebody come online, maybe the Dalai Lama or somebody, come online,
come online and say we're going to now have a meditation.
We have the opportunity to use this, this flu, this virus to our advantage.
We would have had a whole lot more, a whole lot less deaths and a whole lot different response.
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ETF investing IQ. Oh yeah. There was like a ticker tape online of how many people were dying. I mean,
it was horrific. And I got a major autoimmune skin issue all over my body. I mean, it was like crazy
what happened. And when I looked back and thought, oh, it's the COVID vaccine. It says what I really
realize is that like for during COVID, like I lived in New York City and it was like horrific, you know,
and I was never more glued to the news, something I never do in my life.
I was never more angry and attached to it every fucking day.
You know what I mean?
And I realized, like, I was like, the way a lot of people, unfortunately, live their whole
lives, right?
So many people are angry and attached to the news and looking at all the terrible things
all the time.
But like, for that time during COVID, I was like that 24-7.
And it was just so bad for my physical being.
It took a toll for sure.
And I knew it was like more so my mental state at that time.
And of course, like, I don't blame myself.
Like you said, it was like, you know, it was a crazy thing that we lived through,
but it was not healthy at all emotionally.
You know what I mean?
I was never more, I've never been that type of person that I was during COVID.
And I'm glad that it's passed and I'm back to my normal self.
But and my autoimmune rash went away.
But like during that time, I knew that that's what made it flare up.
It was my anger, constant.
Well, there's no doubt.
Yeah.
You know, I had a young 16.
year old girl that had osteosarcoma.
And osteosarcoma, very commonly affects the femur or the tibia.
And depending on the side of the body, right or left, it has something to do with male
and female.
And so when I started to work with her, I documented the language she revealed.
And she had alls and nuns every.
And she basically said, my father is always cruel to me.
I'm never good enough for him.
Oh, God, yeah.
I can't communicate.
He never praises me.
He's always on my case.
He's always mean to me.
And I'm frightened of him.
And she couldn't stand up to authority, the knee.
Mm-hmm.
And she couldn't, didn't know which way to go.
No matter what she did, you couldn't please it.
Of course, her mom was the overprotector and support her.
And whenever you got an over-supporter and protect her in the family,
you got somebody that got to play the other side in order to get you balanced.
So you got one that's preoccupied with supporting you and the other one's challenging you.
Now, she had osteosarcoma and they ended up having to, it was a very aggressive cancer.
They had to take away her knee and take away her hip.
It was just not so fun.
I got to work with her right before that was a terminal state.
It was like two weeks before she was about to die.
And we finally got out and saw things from a new perspective.
We took all the language that she revealed.
we asked her some new questions.
We hope to resolve her issue with their dad.
And this is what was interesting.
She said, the cancer is what made my dad give me attention and play the opposite role.
Wow.
And she said, and I always say cancer is sometimes the last ditch effort to teach people how to love the people they've had difficulty loving.
In this case, she actually, when she did pass and she did.
Yeah.
When she did, her father was right there.
That's what who was holding her in our honor.
when she died. And that was her dream to make peace for her father. Yeah, that's crazy. You make me
realize something a girlfriend of mine told me recently. I recently got some weird thyroid thing and it was
like a Tyrods vibe and it wound up being nothing. But I was talking to my friend. She's like,
oh, you know, when I had that happen to me once and I was nervous, I was going to get cancer.
I thought to myself, well, if I did, at least like maybe my father would finally be nice to me.
It's like those are the kinds of thoughts you don't want to have, right? Because that's the kind of
thoughts that lead to that kind of stuff.
Well, the thing is, the body,
the body doesn't lie.
Yeah.
We lie.
Yeah.
The body is trying to give us feedback.
Yeah.
Most of us don't know how to interpret it.
We're not students of applied physiology.
Right.
So because of it, we don't study physiology.
We don't study psychology.
We don't.
That's not our expertise.
So it's oblivious.
But the majority of people have some intuition about some of their symptomatology.
Right.
They sense it.
Yeah.
Sometimes they can have extreme anger and they get to flu suddenly.
Sometimes it can get all of a sudden really, really, really, you know, raging or whatever and they can feel their gut tighten up.
Yeah.
You know, and feel almost like an ulcer in there.
You know, but our physiology, if we study the autonomics, the sympathetic parasympathetic autonomics and study each cell, because the nerve endings go, most every cell in the body has some autonomic arrangement.
some sort of thing and each cell responds to the autonomics for instance the bone cells are have two
types of cells a three types of cells in an osteosite an osteoclast which destroys bone and
osteoblasts that builds bone a class is sympathetic oriented and the blast is parasympathetic
so if we are basically under stress we start breaking down our bones and if we are under
If we're under relaxation, we'd rebuild them.
So during the day, we tear them down and at night we build them up again because one's sympathetic, one's parasympathetic.
Right.
So these are normal homeostatic feedback systems, but if we have prolonged one-sidedness and perception, we get the symptoms that that body does.
It's not even a mistake.
It's not even an illness, really.
It's a feedback system.
Right.
Let me give you another analogy.
let's say that you go out and you feel that you're not getting fulfilled in your relationship or not fulfilled in your career and you go out and do a binge eating and you just pick out some night and then you go oh my god I ate way too much what a meal though but way too much and you wake up the next morning and you got gas and bloat and you're feeling full and fatigued and you're feeling snuffy and puffy and puffy and you end up having this
this kind of, ugh, fatigue, you're having difficulty breathing, you lay down right after you
ate, so your stomach got pushed up into your diaphragm, it's blocking your breathing excursions.
And you go to the medical doctor, and the medical doctor says, well, you need an anti-acid,
you need an antiflachlant, you need an antihistamine, need an anti-blote.
You need all these anti-drugs, which are palliative symptom treaters, but not necessarily
a curative. And they don't ask you what the hell started this. When did it begin? Well, it started
this morning. What did you do last night? Well, I picked out. Now, the question is, are those symptoms
disease? Are those symptoms normal, biological, and healthy responses to doing something foolish?
What's the answer? And the answer is both, depending on the perspective.
You're right. But if you want to empower your life, the second perspective,
is the one that's wise. If you want to become a dependent on pharmaceuticals, the first one is.
Yeah. I had really bad heartburn. Maybe I get it like once every five years. And I,
and, you know, I thought to myself like that same day earlier that day, because I'm very, I believe
all of this stuff. I'm very mind-body conscious. I always am looking deep into things.
That's why I was excited to have you on because I love this whole topic. But I remember having like
a conversation and being very negative about something, like viciously negative. Like,
more so, something that really bothered me and talking about it for a very long time with somebody
not being able to get past it. I'm like, that's not a coincidence that I got that really bad
heartburn after having that really negative, long conversation with those terrible feelings. Do you know
I mean? Because it's typically not the way I roll. Like I said, it's not something that happens to me.
Plus, I never get heartburn. This was something that strongly affected me. And I didn't sort of look at it in the
proper way, right? Like it was negative the way I was speaking.
And I believe that that's what caused it, for sure.
Don't you think?
Well, what happens from the mouth to the stomach is the ferenics, the oral cavity, the pharynx, and the esophagus.
Yeah.
The esophagus is two-third strided muscle above, graduating into smooth muscle, it goes to the stomach.
Yeah.
Now, what's interesting is when you're under stress, the strided muscle, the actual strided muscle contracts under stress.
Because of fight or flight.
Yeah.
and it pulls and contracts the esophagus up.
When it pulls the esophagus up, the stomach gets pushed up into the diaphragm,
and you get girt, right?
You get the stomach pushed up into the diaphragm.
The diaphragm becomes separated.
Then what happens is re-vergitation occurs from the contents of the stomach up into the edge,
upper portion of the, where the bottom portion of the esophagus,
and you just undermine and damage the esophagus,
and you end up having difficulty breathing, you end up having a heartburn.
And then because of the sympathetic, the pyloric valve contracts, the iliosico valve contracts.
And what happens, the food fits in the stomach longer, which makes it even more indigested.
And these things then aggravate.
So it's not just a random thing.
Yeah.
And then if you eat too much and lay down, which then repositions the stomach into the diaphragm
and puts pressure on it, you aggravate the condition.
So if you eat heavy, you're angry and you lay down afterwards, you're almost guarantee you to have those
symptoms.
Yeah, totally.
Yeah.
I mean, I never get heartburn.
I was like, this is definitely related because I believe in that for sure.
So how long did it take you to put together this thousand page handbook?
Like, how long did, you know, how many years were you researching and doing all the work to put in to have, to, you know, create this handbook?
Well, I've been, I've, I taught physiology and I taught pathology.
and I told embryology, neurology, and lots of stuff in professional school.
Right.
So I've been doing that.
That book has started about 1978-9, right, the Johnson 7-8-9.
And I've been making new additions of it and adding to it as research comes in and as I get studies that I put into it.
So it's a big textbook.
It's a medical textbook that has alternatives and orthodox and alternatives and psychological components.
it's all woven together.
Right.
But it's available for people, correct?
No, I don't sell that on the open market.
Oh, okay.
It's mainly for health professionals.
Right.
I just did a five-day program.
About three times a year, I do a five-day program,
and I go through the whole thing and answer questions
and help professionals work with people.
Right.
So that's mainly for that.
But sometimes I do things like this, podcast, where I discuss it.
And occasionally I have people that ask me,
you know, I've got this problem.
what do I do and I'll make a copy of that section and send it to them to try to help them.
Yeah.
Or I'll do consulting.
I do a lot of consulting with people with health issues, helping them with issues that are like that,
just in case there's a psychological reason.
For instance, can I share another story?
Sure.
I love your stories.
Okay.
So I had a guy.
I was speaking at a metaphysical group in Houston, Texas back in 1983.
I think it was, 84 maybe.
and there was a gentleman, a black man that came out to me named D.K. Knight, lovely guy,
really, really articulate, deep, voiced, intelligent man.
And he came to me and he says, I really loved your presentation.
I think you're the doctor I've been looking for.
And I said, great, here's my contact details.
And he showed up literally the next day.
And he said, I've got a problem in my neck.
I would love to know what the reason for this stiffness in my face.
neck is. Yeah. And I said, okay. So I did a normal palpation and I did a range of motion.
And no matter what, there was a restricted range of motion. So it's not just musculature. There's
another reason, mainly because of the rotational component. I took a film of it. And he had what
they call it congenital blocked vertebra at C4-5, which meant that two vertebra never segmented in
embryology, which is a very early stage, like the seventh week of fetal development.
Wow.
So it didn't segment.
So I knew that something came up at seventh week of fetal development.
And I asked him, did you have any other congenital anomys?
Because usually when there's one congenital anomy, there's another.
He said, well, I have horseshoe kidneys.
I said, hmm, guess what?
Seventh week.
That's when they separate.
So I said, okay, so this is narrowing down through embryology, the date of when something
occurred in gestation.
So I had him come back the next day for the report of findings.
And I said, D.K., because you're metaphysically aware, I'm going to ask you some crazy questions.
You're going to think they're weird, but that's part of the game.
And I said, the good news, as I found out what the problem is, the bad news is I can't do anything about it because you have a congenital vertebra.
I can't stop the stiffness because of the vertebra are locked.
Yeah.
But I do have some questions to ask.
ask you. It just helped me identify what this, what might have created this. And he said,
what's that? And I said, and I looked at him, he thought it was a bit crazy. I said, what happened to you
on the seventh week of fetal development? And he looked at me with a blank steering, says, well,
how am I supposed to know that? I don't remember even my two and three and four year olds.
Right. I said, D.K., close your eyes, get really present. What happened to you on the seventh week
of field development.
And he goes, I don't know, Doc, I'm sorry,
but I have no idea what happened to me then.
I said, close your eyes, get present, D.K.,
what happened to you on the seventh week of fatal development?
And then all of a sudden, his face twitched, his body shook,
and a memory came up.
And I said, what is it, DK?
He said, something my mom said.
I said, tell me about it.
Wow.
I'm getting chills in my spine.
I said, what is it?
He said, when I was about eight years old, nine years old, I asked my mom, why come I don't have a daddy?
Everybody else has a daddy.
I don't have a daddy.
And she said, your dad told me that if I had a pregnancy, he would leave.
And on the seventh week, when I found I was pregnant, I didn't know whether to tell him or not.
and I did and he left wow I just got the choice yeah when he left when he left when he left
I was in shock because I was going how am I going to survive yeah I got a baby and she started
having a miscarriage literally within an hour one of the babies of two oh there was another
baby okay yeah but they she didn't know there she didn't know there was another one okay okay
So the twin died.
Yeah.
But he still lived.
Right.
Now, what was interesting is, weeks later, she discovered she's not, she's still pregnant.
So I said, so, D.K., what's coming up?
And this little boy, it was the strangest sound that came out of this deep voiced man.
This little eight-year-old boy spoke.
And he said, and I was all alone.
They cried.
Just a deep, deep, guttural, tearing, crying response.
Mm-hmm.
He says, is it possible that somehow there's some sort of tissue memory or still memory about this?
I said, I have no idea.
But something's been kicked in in gear and he says, I just, I just know this has something to do with it.
And I said, well, I asked you that question.
because I thought you might be receptive.
Now, that did not help the bone that was frozen, that was unsegmented,
but it helped all the muscular in the neck, which increased some of the range of motion,
because some of it was the stiffness around it.
So it gave him some relief, mild, maybe 10%, 12%,
but it freed him up because what we did is we asked him,
what was the benefit of being alone?
What was the benefit?
And then he realized that he was special in his mom's heart.
Right.
And they've had a connection.
To this day, he still has been there with his mom and still close to his mom because she was there and she didn't give up on me.
Right.
And he cried some more and he realized.
And when you see an event that you think is terrible or whatever, and then you find the terrific half of it that was there the whole time.
there's a healing.
Yeah.
And in his case, the healing was there.
The tightness was still there because you can't move a bone that's joined.
Yeah.
But at the same time, the stiffness of the muskleture, which the emotions effect released.
Unbelievable.
That's crazy.
And isn't that like what you do in your breakthrough experience?
Like you help people learn how to like change their perception so they could like change
their life because so many people to me are very half cup empty people.
You know what I mean?
And to me, thinking that way and being that way does affect your whole life, right?
And it is about changing your perspective.
It is about reframing things.
It's all about how you look at it.
Isn't that what you do in your breakthrough experience?
That's it.
Yeah.
The purpose of the breakthrough experience is to help people break through whatever is in the
way and turn it into on the way.
Yeah.
Talk about what people get out of that experience because I love stuff like that.
And you have that, you know, and explain, you know, what goes down,
how people could sign up for it, all of it, and what they get out of it.
Well, you know, I jokingly, because when I'm engaged and everybody's engaged in the program,
we forget time.
Yeah.
So I jokingly call it the break to experience because I said you rarely get a break through the experience.
But no one wants to.
No one cares because we're so engaged in what we're doing.
Yeah.
But I'm giving them insights on how the psychology and physiology,
works. Right. I'm explaining
it, you know, how
perceptions affect physiology.
And I'm helping
them go back and take a look at what are the
things that they're judging.
And helping them with a science, I call it the
Demartini method, but it's a science
on how to dissolve those judgments.
And the
before and after physiological impacts.
Right. So we
help people. It's not limited
to health issues. Right. Of course.
It could be financial issues. It could be
relationship issues. It could be social leadership. I've had them from six to 94 in that program.
Wow. I've had people that are celebrated people that everybody heard the name of to people that
are unknown. All different people. I've taken, I've done it 1,270 times. Wow. It's a two-day,
26-hour experience. And I've taken about a couple hundred thousand people through it. And I, it's a
tear-jurking, open-heartening, heart-opening realization weekend where people see the hidden order
in their apparent chaos and they open their hearts to themselves and the people that they may have judged.
It's, in a sense, distracting them from the truth about who they are.
Right.
So it helps people.
There are healings that occur.
That's not the primary reason and only reason why we do the breakthrough experience because people come there without health issues.
but there are people that may have blocked relationship stuff with family could be you know they've
been injured and they're trying to get coming out on the other side of it right it or could be people
that are plateaued in business and have a billion dollar company or a hundred billion dollar
company i've seen them all yeah so so i don't know what they're coming to break through
there's it's a variety of people of all different walks of life i've done it and god knows i've spoken
in 174 countries so i've done that program and over a hundred of them so it depends on what the people
coming in for you know my next one is going to be in japan in a couple weeks and and i i i know there'll be a good
crowd there and a good group there in japan and some of them are in relationships some of issues
with the parents some are health issues had a lady that had Parkinson's condition it was shaking
and stopped now she's one of my facilitators helping me teach programs
So I've seen pretty amazing stuff.
I've seen, you know, cases that are not necessarily, you know, easily repeated.
Sometimes they're anecdotal.
Sometimes there are things I've been able to duplicate over and over again with people and I feel confident I can resolve it.
There's a whole spectrum.
But all I know is that the people have a deeper appreciation for their lives for the way the world is.
I always say the magnificence of how life actually is as far greater than the fantasies you keep in.
posing on it. Right. So you can appreciate life as it is, not the fanacies you keep comparing
it to, which make you depressed. So it's something I've been doing. It's two days. And if anybody
is remotely interested in that, they just go to my website, Dr.Dmartini.com and look up the
break-to experience. They can go and read about it. And you're doing one in the U.S. in September.
Do you know where it is in September? Where in the U.S.? You know, I'm assuming it's in the
Houston time zone.
The central time zone because in September I'm going to be all over Japan on my ship,
but I'll be coming in on Zoom.
That will be an online one.
Oh, right.
It says online.
Yeah, that's cool.
So you have them online too.
Of course, it's 2026.
Yeah.
I do them online.
I do them live.
So I'm doing a live one in Tokyo and I'm doing an online one in Houston within that week.
Yeah.
I do them all over the world.
And you have a break.
It's a movie, right, on Apple TV?
I've done 75 movies actually
But one of them is about the break to experience
That came up a little over a year and a half ago
And it's got 38 film festival awards
It's done really well
Yeah amazing I mean I could talk to you for 10 more hours
I love all your stories I think your story is interesting
I should have asked you in the beginning
Could you just talk real quick if you have the time
Just about like all the stuff that you like you went through when you were younger
Because you overcame a lot of hurdles in your life
before you became who you are?
Well, I was born in 1954.
I'm 72 in a couple months here.
And I was born with my arm and leg turned in.
So I had pigeon arm and leg.
Wow.
And had to wear phrases on my left arm and leg.
I also had speech impediment.
I wasn't making sounds.
So from a year and a half to about five,
I was having to go to speech pathologist.
to try to make proper sounds with strings and buttons in my mouth.
When I got to elementary school in first grade,
found out I had dyslexia and aphasia,
and no matter what I was doing, it wasn't working to get reading and speaking.
My teacher invited my parents and explained to him
that I'm afraid your son's never going to be able to read or write
or communicate effectively,
probably never amount too much, go very far in life.
So the only way I made it through elementary school
is asking very smart kids questions.
See, I'm about questions.
Yeah.
And I got that at a young age.
That was the perfection of it.
Then I moved from Houston, Texas to Richmond, Texas at 12.
And at 12, I had a decent school that I was going to where I could get some smart kids to help me.
And I was able to pass by asking questions.
Because if people told me things, I could write down answers.
Yeah.
But when I got to Richmond, Texas, where my parents moved to a small town, a low,
Swiss economic. No smart kids. And so at 13, I left home. And I became a street kid.
Thirteen.
Yeah. And I took up surfing. And Texas wasn't the best surf place. But we had hurricane surf,
but that's about it. And then at 14, I hitchhiked to California and down into Mexico.
At 15, I made my way over to Hawaii, North Shore. I lived on the North Shore. A first
lived under a bridge, then a park bench, and then a bathroom, an abandoned car, and eventually a tent.
And I was a long-haired hippie surfer, long-haired surfer guy.
And I did pretty well.
I got in surf magazine, surf movies, things like that.
And then I nearly died at 17.
Right.
And in the recovery of that, I was led to a health store and eventually to a yoga class.
And a Paul C. Bragg was a guest speaker there.
And one night, this man inspired me in a way that nobody else's.
never done and the way he spoke made me think that maybe someday I could become intelligent
overcome my learning and speaking problems wow and so I sat on on a dream it was a it was a
special moment in my life where I set out on a dream to learn how to read and be able to speak
properly well I've read 31,000 plus books now and I've spoken to millions of people billions of
people in fact. So it just goes to show that if you, the thing you're told you'll never be able to do,
maybe the very thing you end up dedicated to. Oh my God. I love that whole story. I love what you do.
I think it's so great. I'm going to make sure to put your website, Dr.Dmartini.com,
in the description, right, for people to go there. You know, you have so much stuff on your website
like that. People, I'm assuming, like online resources, the breakthrough experience.
on there. What other things are available online on your website for people to get?
Well, there's a value determination process to help you determine what's really, really important
to you and what's priority. Oh, yeah, the 13 questions, right? You got the questions on there.
Yeah, those are helpful to people. Everybody can benefit from that. But there's just, you know,
I've done 9,000 interviews over the years. I used to have my own TV show back in the early 80s.
So there's just a plethora of interviews, articles, information, YouTube things.
There's education for people.
And so they can just browse and see where it resonates and take advantage of it.
And just the more they put their energy into their website, the more they'll probably appreciate what it can do for them.
Yeah, I love it.
Thank you so much for coming on and talking to me.
Like I said, I was very excited to talk to you.
I love what you do.
And thanks so much for calling in, Dr. D. Mortini.
Thank you for having me, and thank you for the wonderful questions.
Awesome.
Bye.
Have a good day.
Yes, bye.
Bye.
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