Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1589 - Vanessa is a Cuckquean Who Loves Sharing Her Husband with Her Friends

Episode Date: September 14, 2026

Vanessa is a cuckquean who loves sharing her husband with her friends and she called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how she was always extremely jealous at the thought of her guy with someone else, her three previous marriages and why each one ended, how she met her current husband and why he was so different from all the other guys, her experiences as a unicorn with couples when she was younger and her first experience hooking up with another woman, how she convinced her husband to hook up with a woman in real life, where they went looking for someone to have a threesome with, why she signed up for Club Voluptas and what she digs about it, how she and one of her female friends started flirting over text and how Vanessa and her husband began hitting on her, how they started hooking up while out one night and wound up back at home having a threesome, exactly what went down between her friend and her husband that Vanessa enjoyed watching, what Vanessa did with her friend, what her husband said that really turned her on, exactly what happened between all three of them, what turned Vanessa on most about the situation and how she felt afterward plus a whole lot more. GET A COPY OF THE STRICTLY ANONYMOUS BOOK! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY HERE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠    To see HOT pics of VANESSA plus my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show." Want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. All voices are changed.   Sponsors:  ⁠https://beduc.at/pd2634-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Click here to take the quiz and  get your personalized SUMMER roadmap to sexual happiness ⁠⁠⁠https://TakeLean.com⁠⁠⁠ - 20% off + FREE rush shipping on Lean weighloss ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://VB.HEALTH⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠- To get 10% off DRIVE BOOST by VB Health, use code: STRICTLY  ⁠⁠https://inda.shop/STRICTLY⁠⁠ If you’re 21 or older, get 30% OFF your first order @IndaCloud with code STRICTLY #indacloud  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Buy 2 months of Bluechew GOLD and get the third month FREE! Use code: STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Follow me! Instagram  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I love Vanessa because she's a cuck queen. And anyone that listens to my show knows I'm a little cuck queen too. But Vanessa is a cut queen that's had in a cuck queen experience. I never have, really. I just know that I'm one. She eventually at some point in her life realized she was one. She didn't ever think she was one because she was actually the type of girl. I was very jealous at thinking about her guy.

having sex with somebody else. She was married so many times before her husband now. We get a little bit of that in the beginning, which is hilarious because she's married four times. This guy, she's with, though, is like the one for sure. And they were both very vanilla when they met each other. And then she just, you know, started realizing that she was like into seeing him with another girl. Now, she did have an experience as a unicorn when she was younger for a couple. She talks about that. And then we fast forward to, like I said, when she started to realize she really wanted to see her guy with a girl. And it's kind of like there's like other things that they did with each other that led up to it, you know? And you'll hear her explain what those things were. And then they

eventually get to the point where they are role-playing it so much and talking about it so much that she can't fucking take it, that she's got to have it happen in real life. And then it does fucking happen. This is a girl that's like, whenever she's looking about girls is like her friends. Wait, too. It's like all of her stories are with her girlfriends. And this girl that they fucked was her girlfriend. Okay, and then she gets in the whole hot threesome that they had in the cut queen experience and it didn't disappoint. And she talks about how she felt after her and how her guy felt after her.

Because he was like a little afraid of doing it because he was afraid of how she'd feel. And she talks about it and she's fucking dead. But anyway, it's a great cut queen story. Her threesome and how they got there and the buildup is all super hot. So I'm going to get right to it and be right back on with Vanessa. This is the strictly anonymous podcast. Strictly Anonymous Podcast Hey Vanessa, welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast.

How are you today? Fabulous, thank you. Well, listen, you and me have something in common, I feel like, because you do use the word cuck queen in your description of yourself. You're discovery. You've recently discovered, I don't know, that maybe you're a cuck queen, right? Which is super interesting to me because I discover that about myself too at some point. Yeah, no, I would have never actually seen this coming.

because I was so jealous, I would say, like my entire life at the idea of thinking of whoever I was with with somebody else. It never could I have imagined this. And I think it's just because my husband now, it's got to be a trust thing or confidence. Or I just trust him so much and I'm so comfortable with him that all of a sudden this kind of popped into my head out of nowhere. Yeah, I'm going to dig deep into that. But what I was going to say, because I have heard that some psychologists that dig very deep into it,

will say that a lot of times that person that is very, very jealous, also can have that other thing in them. You know what I mean? And because your husband, you feel so safe with him, it's like the different side of the same coin in a weird way. You know what I mean? And so it's like all that jealousy could now be like a turn on, because like you really, really trust him. You know what I'm saying?

It's a weird thing, but there is some sort of correlation there. I used to be a very jealous girl too. Have you ever been cheated on? No. Okay, but you were always just really jealous. They would say that maybe it's like a,

like a projection. Like you, you know what I mean? I can't explain it, but I did hear that there could be a correlation there. Who knows? Well, yeah, and it wouldn't be like,

it wouldn't be jealous like, you know, like at a party and like, oh my God, are you looking at her? Yeah. It would be more if I imagine, and whoever I was with somebody else.

Yeah. The thought of them fucking somebody else. Horrifying. Yeah, but actually a turn on. And that's this thing. You know what I mean? That's like what they said. And I'm not going to do it justice,

but there is some psychology behind it. You know what I mean? And I totally get it. But so how long you, but let's get a quick snapshot of you and your guy, right? How long, like around how old are you and like, how long you been with your husband for? 50s and have been together going on nine years.

Okay, nine years. Now, were you married before him or he's, your first husband. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. How many times more than once? I love girls. I love people that have been married like three or four times. I'm like fucking into it. It's definitely an Elizabeth Taylor situation. No way. How many? This is four. This is four. Oh my God. I love it. I'm obsessed with extremists. You know what I mean? Like I'm an extremely not married person and you're like an extremely, I'm going to fucking get married person. Like you just keep doing it. I love it. I did. Well, and I couldn't say I'm never going to do it again. I always. I'm,

I always said I'm never going to do it again. Oh my God, that's even better. That makes it even more interesting. And then you just do it again. Isn't that fucking crazy? You probably drive your friends mental, but I find you fascinating. So wait, so every husband, well, like, could I just, could you just like real quickly go through like why you ended each one, the three before this guy? So classic caretaker.

First time? First time? Actually, yeah, I had a therapist actually tell me I was the most excited. extreme caretaker he'd ever encountered in his entire career. What's a caretaker? Like a codependent? Is that the same thing or no? Yeah, like finding wounded birds that need to be taken care of.

Oh, I know guys like that. Are you a cancer? What's your horoscope sign? Definitely water. Okay. Okay. Okay. So wait, so you just like the wounded bird.

You like to get the guys that need fixing. Exactly. What was your first husband? What was he? Was he like an addict or something? What was wrong with him? Yep. Yep.

Okay. Addict. Yep. Mm-hmm. And then you, how long were you married, Tim, for? Um, six years. Okay. And you ended, I'm assuming, with all these people, right? Yes. Okay. Second guy, what happened with the second guy? What was his problem? I went, went to the other extreme total control freak. Um, let's just say law enforcement, um, very jealous, very controlling, kind of started out really being open and fun. And that was really just, kind of a bait and switch. Oh, God. Yeah, that happens a lot of times in marriages on both sides, right?

Like, you think you're marrying somebody and you get, the minute they're locked in and they have you nailed down, they become their true selves. And you're like, who the fuck are you? Right? Yep. Yeah. Okay. And he was horrifying. Yeah. So he, I mean, he wasn't a horrible person, but he definitely, I wasn't able to be free and happy. I felt like I was living in somebody else's body. Yeah. How long? Did you stay with him? So that one was, that one was about eight years. No,

did you have kids with these first two guys? All of them. Oh, okay. How many, how many fucking kids do you have? Four.

Okay, first one, how many with the first one? One. Okay, how many with the second one? One. Okay,

I can't wait to ask you like how the fucking holidays go down. Like, what's going on? Sorry, we'll get to the sex. Wait a second. So one with the second one.

And then you, ended with that dude, right? You end it with him. First of all, when you're with a control-free guy, it's hard to, like, how did you get away from him without him, like, going fucking mental? Well, he wasn't like that. He wasn't, like, he wouldn't, he wouldn't be in a movie. It was just, if I wanted to go out with friends,

it was, like, just, like, walking on eggshells for two weeks after, you know, like, I just couldn't. But, I mean, he let you go? Like, when you want to divorce, he let you go. He didn't get, go a little nutty or anything? Yeah, yeah. I think he actually, he actually, He actually kind of admitted that my chaos, let's just call it, or freeslowing, I gave him a lot of anxiety. So I think he was relieved.

Oh, okay. So you just, he wasn't into the way you were either. No, I think he thought he wanted it, but then it freaked him out. Yeah, yeah, both of you, the same thing. You both had the same experience. You just were not compatible. Correct. Yeah.

Okay, cool. Third guy, because we're on your fourth. We still got to get one more. And how many babies with this guy? Third guy. One? One. Okay. Okay. So he was another addict. Okay. So he went back to the first thing, another addict.

Yep. Yeah. Just like a rubber band just going back and forth. And listen, I laugh because I'm right there with you. I mean, every guy that I ever dated for the, you know, they were all the same. You know what I mean? We can't help but recreate our stories a lot of times. It's very normal. It's like psychology one-on-one, you know. So that guy addict, how long were you with him? I think seven years. seven years and one baby with him yes okay so four babies with four different guys yes this guy you had a baby with the one you're with now i i took one on with him i adopted oh okay he came to he came to the table with yeah okay cool so all right so that's where you got the four you didn't have the baby with him but he came in with the baby the other guys had no babies before you no okay cool okay cool so you get to this guy you got three guys under your mouth. You were always super jealous and everything with those guys.

And always vanilla with them, like normal stuff going down in the middle? Totally. Totally vanilla. Okay, cool. So you get with this guy. Now, I know H.R.T comes into play. And I don't know if this is what makes you really horny or like where that is in your story. Is that like what kicked into you realizing things and having a threesome?

Because you guys do wind up having a threesome and opening up. I don't think so. I actually started that like three years before I met. my current husband. Oh, okay. Mm-hmm. So it didn't really propel anything too crazy until until him. Okay. So you're on it for three years. It's just keeping you like young and not moody and you're not a Karen, right? Because you're on the fucking woman. Exactly. Yeah, right. Okay. Yeah, it saves your life. All right. So you're on it. You meet this guy and and how is the everything with him like, you know, because you wind up like opening up your

relationship with him and realizing you're a cook queen. Like how is the sex like going into that relationship. It was just like nothing I ever even knew could be possible. How come? I think first of all, we were just so compatible. And he was also the first person I was ever with that didn't need me at all. But chose me. So there was just a different level of everything.

We were not each other's type, but we ended up being so completely attracted to each other. I think because I went outside of my type. Yeah, what do you mean you weren't each other's types? Like, the first time I saw in my reaction when he picked me up for our first date was literally my first reaction was, huh. So not your, like not your type physically? Yes, not my type physically. Okay. Kind of the opposite.

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And how is that for you, somebody who's used to chaos and red flags galore? Well, I had done some therapy prior to meeting her. And I had made a very clear intention with myself that I would never be with anyone that needed me again. Smart, right. You were done with that. Yeah, good. So, yeah, so I think I was just, I was ready for this. Obviously, because listen, the one of the most important things you said was this guy didn't need anything from you. Now, five years before, you would have never been interested in this guy because you had a need to help guys. You know what I mean? That was,

something was, that's what you needed to do. So you would have never drawn in this guy or been interested in him if you were it ready to not have a relationship. relationship based on that because he didn't need you. That's what you said, which is amazing and great for you, right? Right. Because it really did. I figured out at some point that it was an insecurity. Of course. If somebody needed me, I knew they'd always be there. I knew they'd always love me. So it was almost like to the deep end of getting ready to jump into the deep end and going, oh my God, I don't have anything holding me here, protecting me. But once you do it, it's the best thing you've ever done because it's just based on everything good. Yeah, because it's like nothing

protecting you. It's like they have to just like you. They just like you for you. And if you really think about it, those people that are overly nice and codependence, there is like they think that they're the nice ones and the other addicts and all the terrible people that are taking are all the, you know, the selfish ones. But in a way, being codependent and an overly nice is like a little selfish too because you are getting something out of it, right? That isn't coming from a totally pure place, right? It's coming from, like you said, that insecurity, like, people have to need you or you're not worthy. That's exactly it. Yeah, and that's what it's all about. So, okay, so you wind up at right time, you finally, like, fix yourself and this guy's great and the sex is like, so when you,

like, the first time you see him, you're like, yeah, like, how long did it take for the chemistry to, like, really build? Was it immediate, like the month, the minute you, like, you went out with him? It was that night. I mean, I don't even, and I don't, and I don't, that's not my pattern either. Yeah. And it's really not his either. So, I mean, we just, we didn't, it just happened. Like, we just fell into each other. We made out in an Uber from one restaurant to the next bar we were going to.

I've never done that either. I mean, it was just, it was, it was almost like we just could not keep away from each other physically. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, that's amazing. I think you do have to kiss someone to really tell whether there's any chemistry or not there. Don't you think? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah.

I think I just got married to everybody, so I don't even remember. You wouldn't even make out of them before. Like, I didn't really date. You know, I didn't. Like, it was, like, I just fell into things. Like, oh, I've known this person forever and all of a sudden I'm married. You might as well marry them. Yeah.

So I didn't really, like, date ever my entire life. I didn't go out on dates ever. Yeah, yeah. I kind of get that. I mean, yeah. Okay. So, all right, so this guy, the chemistry's off the chart and you guys are like glued to each other from day one, right? Like you're back in another relationship immediately with him.

Yeah, except for that it was a slower progression because he had an actual life and a career and all these things that, you know, so that we didn't see each other every second. I think it was kind of like every other weekend for a while. It was a much healthier progression. Yeah. But when we were together, it was phenomenal. And so I think it was about a year before we actually moved in together and then we got married like a year after that. And for somebody who like, you know, you was so used to like falling into things and things going fast and having people need you so they're always around like was that a little like, did that make you a little anxious? Yeah, I would think so. That beginning thing. But eventually what you came to through waiting out

that beginning part of like, you know, the fear of the unknown because that was new for you is that you developed a real relationship probably for the first time in your whole life, right? built on like what it's supposed to be built on. 100%. Yeah, that's amazing. So you get to the year, bark, he moves in. When do you start talking about like other kind of things?

Well, so our first date, we were sitting at a bar and there was a super, super, super hot bartender. And so I think one of my first comments was about how hot she was. Okay, so I was going to say, I'm sorry, we don't know if that bartender's a show. or hey. Okay, quick question before you go there.

Had you ever been with women before? Yes. So I was, I guess, now that I know some terminology, I did not know this at the time, but in my 20s, I had three experiences where I would have been the unicorn. Oh, a couple's? Yeah.

You were picked up in a bar, like drinking one night or something? How did you wind up? No, good friend. It was a good friend who, who in all situations was trying to save a relationship. The same girl? Wait, but was it always the same girl with different guys? Yes.

Yeah, same girl with two different guys and one of the guys twice. Oh my God, so she's bringing you as like a silver platter to try and save the marriage. Totally. And not marriage. It wasn't married. It's just a relationship, just her shitty relationship. Like, let's try a threesome. He'll stay with me.

And let me get Vanessa. She's on board. she's so codependent. She'll help me too. Exactly. But I was also turned on by the idea. Yeah, obviously.

But the first time I was definitely like really uncomfortable. Like I didn't, I was so out of my element. And then like the second time, it was like, okay, this is fun. Like, I left this for sure. Okay. And so you're with your friend and the guy.

Yeah. And how was that for you? And you realized more the second time like that you're into chicks? Yeah, I definitely thought it was really, I think, I've always thought women were very sexy. I've always noticed women. I don't think I ever really thought about being with one sexually. And so it kind of opened my eyes to the idea that it was, it was hot. Right. But I was still kind of terrified. Like she went down on me, you know, in two of the situation scenarios, she went down on me. I was like, I will never do that. Like I'm horrified, horrified, terrified. Can I even? do that, what I want to do that. How do I know it's going to smell good? Like all the things.

Yeah. So I never did in those, but everything else happened and it was phenomenal. So it, none of that, during that time, three times with her, even the last time, you never went down on her, right? Like she just went down on you, but you did everything else. Yeah. Okay. And over that time, and so that was the only experience with women, but now you're when

you're with your guy, right? you wind up seeing this girl and you're like open about how hot she is and you're talking to your guy about it. Yes. Okay. And then what happens with that bartender? Or what's a conversation like? Yeah, it was, I think he was, I think he had been, he had not been with anyone in his past that would have expressed that. They would have just been questioning him on whether he was looking at her.

Yeah. Okay. Okay. So he didn't know what to do with it. He was, I think he was pretty turned on by it. Oh, of course. And then that, like, just became our kind of little game, actually, for years. Like, where we would be at the beach or at a pool or wherever, and we would kind of pick out a girl and talk about them.

And we would see if we had that, like, out of, I don't know, if there was a place with 10 women, what's our one, two, and three that we would pick. We would do all these kind of little games. That's fun. Did you have the same taste? Always, every single time down at the team. What's your guy's type? Well, it's not, it's more, it's a, it's a sexy vibe. Yeah, interesting. It can, yeah, it can be in any package, really. Yeah. It's really just there's this aura of sexuality that some people have and we both sense it and see it immediately. So I like the range is, yeah, the range could be really any, anything. I do like big boobs though, for sure. Okay, cool. And I'm sure he doesn't mind that. No, he was always kind of more of a, an ass guy, but I think I've gotten him on board with the whole boot thing. I love it, but it's so great that you guys both could pick out that same hot girl.

Like what you both are into sexually is the same thing, right? Yeah. And that, and that I think for whatever comes next or whatever has happened is probably a big helper in that because it isn't narrowed down into, you know, he's got a type that's blonde and short and I like Latino or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just a vibe. Okay.

So you do this for like a year where you're playing these fun games, which I think is like kind of fun and hot, right? And you're like kind of role playing scenarios and stuff and using it to like, it makes stuff hotter between the two of you, right? In the beginning, just talking about it? Yeah. And in the beginning, I'd say it was more in the moment. It hadn't really carried over into like sex talk.

Oh, okay. And that was kind of more recent. I'd say in the past couple years, all of a sudden it was kind of like I would start saying things about the person that we had noticed earlier that day and start describing what I wanted to see him do. Oh my God. So that ramped. I mean, that ramped everything up and that really escalated.

I think everything because we were imagining it so intensely every single time we were together. But I think he was still like he really wasn't quite clued in yet that all of a sudden I'm imagining like real life of this. Yeah, but wait, let me just go to the point. Like when do you realize that it like you, Because it's one thing where you're both looking at her and you're both thinking about it. Like, when do you turn it to be like, I want to see you do this with her and you realize and start putting this together that like that's kind of like very much in you?

Kathy, 100,000 percent, you. Oh. So. I don't know if that's a good answer or bad answer. So when all this started to ramp up, I started doing research, looking online, trying to figure out what was going on with me. and I found your podcast. And so, you know, obviously there's so many different kinks and so many people doing so many different things. Yeah.

And this one's hard to find. I know. I mean, they're everywhere. Exactly. But when I started reversing the hot life stories, all of a sudden I understood these guys. And I'm like, that's me. I'm that guy. Yeah.

What is going on? So really it was like listening to your podcast, doing a lot of research, and all of a sudden, realizing like I'm kind of into this and this is a whole lifestyle that I didn't even know really existed and so where do we kind of like where do what do I think about that and then how do I have this conversation with him and so the first time you kind of brought up was like in the heat of passion right like you would start talking about it and using it like play and then we started talking about it during the day and that's where I was like you know I really really could imagine this and and his first instinct was definitely he's a little more tradition

He's so loyal And I think like he's like I don't I don't know if I really want to Like I need to have a connection I've always needed a connection I'm like explaining to him like I think me and you have the connection That's the connection

So this is like this is the fun This is the whipped cream On top of our connection cake here Oh my God you're like the guy in the relationship Totally Yeah And so then what happened is we were out one night And we had had all these conversations.

He was kind of sitting on it. I was definitely not like pushing. And also it's impossible to, you know, you can't snap your fingers and have a unicorn. So this is a long game. Yeah. So we're talking about it a lot. And we go out one night and we're with a bunch of friends and a friend of a friend comes in. And she's young.

She's probably like in her early 30s and she's got on like the little yoga pants and the little yoga halter thing. And she's very, she's got the sexy all over. over the place. She comes in hot, sexy, and kind of immediately locks in with me and we're kind of, I mean, a little flirty. It's definitely a lot of energy. Then she kind of looks at my husband and she kind of locks in with him. And I think sort of at the end of the night, the comment she made was like, like, I like her and I like you too. How do that happen? Is there a little bit of alcohol going on here that like you're talking explicitly like this? Well, I would say that's fairly typical. with my friend group. I didn't know this girl, but all my friends knew that I was dying for all of it. Like, I'm pretty open.

Oh, oh, right. So we, that's a part of it. So you have to put that in there. So all your friends know that you're on a hunt for a unicorn. Kind of. Okay. Yeah. Okay. But they didn't bring this girl. She showed up randomly. And we left. Nothing happened that night. But the funniest part about it is we're driving out of wherever we were. And my husband looked at me and he goes, I think I get it now. Oh. So that moment really allowed him to kind of understand what that dynamic would feel like. Right. Because there was a real girl and it was like more closer to reality than it had ever been. And it was comfortable and I was good. Yeah.

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or anything, right? It's more on his part that he's worried. that you would maybe feel that way, but are you very clear that you're going to be fucking into it and fine? Or are you a little nervous? I felt a thousand percent like I would be fine, but I also knew that reality is different than imagination. So I was very curious to see what I would actually be like. Yeah. I don't, I don't think he was worried about me being jealous. I think he was worried about being able to connect physically with somebody that he wasn't connected to emotionally. Yeah, totally. because that's his thing. He's more that way. And you were like fine with, you didn't need to physically connect with the girl. Like you knew that you'd just be fine for the hot scenario, right? That

would be enough for you. Well, I would say that again. Did you also, you didn't need the connection with her, right? Like, for you, for you, for you, the connection is the scenario. Like, you're so hot for the scenario, it doesn't matter if you don't have an intense connection with this person, correct? You're not. No, totally. It was all, it was all the sexual energy. I think that was so hot in that moment. So then does eventually he say, okay, let's like fucking do it? Yeah. Okay, because you're waiting on him at this point, right?

Yeah, yeah. Then he taps in. He taps in. Okay. And then it's like, well, what do we do? We're in a place that has no nothing. I mean, we're probably in the worst place in the world for, you know, there's no clubs. Where do you live in a mountain somewhere in the middle of nowhere?

I mean, don't tell me where you live, but like what does that mean? Where are there no... It's just a very conservative state. Oh, okay, okay, cool. All right. I understand. Okay. Right.

Yeah. So, you know, we start looking at kind of like, well, we could go to Florida or, you know, somewhere that there's like a club and just kind of see what that might be like. And when you say a club, you mean like a swingers club or a sex party because you're looking for someone that's down to doing something like this, right? Because literally, even if you're in a place with no, like, clubs in conservative town, you probably have like people doing crazy things, you know, on apps in your area, no? So the apps, I kind of, I got my toes wet with the apps.

I went on some of them. Oh, okay. I used your code for one. Yeah. But then I started to get really uncomfortable with that, like, because of the business that we have. And I'm like, this is just, it's just, I just, I just ended up deleting it and thinking, I just don't think that's the way for us. Yeah, that's smart.

I get that. I overthink things too. Like, you know, I would be a little bit, like, if you're in a position of power, you know, you don't want people to know your fucking business. Yeah. It's better to go far away. Okay. So you, so where do you wind up going?

Well, we, I do all, I do a ton of research. I mean, I'm literally Googling like my chat, if my chat, GBT could talk. You know, like, is there, is there anywhere that escorts are legal? You're a kid. Oh, my. Yeah, brothels, brothels, brothels. Yeah, I listened to all the brothel episodes, and I'm like, I just think that would feel a little forced for him. And so we really were kind of at a loss.

And then I did find a group in our town that seems kind of intriguing. So we're kind of like considering going to one of their parties. But we're terrified because we're, I mean, we're just terrified. Right. So we really have not gotten a game plan. I listened to your podcast with Jen and Rob the other day, and I ended up applying for their deal and had an interview with them and got into that. So that's kind of a new thing.

Wait, wait a second. Jen and the guy that high-end club plays? Yes. Oh, my God. Can you tell me about that? Because people gave them such weird, like, slack about their whole setup. And I just didn't understand because I thought, like, what they sort of developed was so smart. know, they filled this niche that doesn't really exist, right?

Like this kind of private club that's very high end, that there's nothing forced and it's not just like, you know, gangbings galore. You know what I mean? It's not like a hardcore swinger club, but it's still like open for sexy time. But like I said, also very high end. Like I thought it was like a very interesting concept that they came up with, you know? And so you signed up for it? Yeah.

I thought it seemed really perfect for where we're at. Where if we walked into a club and things were going down fast and furious, I mean, we would be shaking in our boots, I think. I don't know. But it feels like it could scare us. And so the things they talked about, you know, and the fact that we are so close as a couple, we love each other so much. Everything they talked about just really resonated. I love that. Yeah.

And then we had our call and I loved them. They're phenomenal. I know. It was so weird. you don't see like what I see. I saw all these comments and then even on Patreon and I just was like, wow, it's so bizarre because I saw everybody out of my show. If you listen, you get that I'm like fucking being a detective with every single person,

you know, getting all the details. And I get vibes. You know, I can see through people at the end of the day. You know, I know who everybody is. And like they were like amazing. Like I love them. I thought they were like fucking great. I loved what they did.

And I totally got it, you know. And I just couldn't believe that so many people didn't get it. And then I posted pictures of them and they're like hot. They're like beautiful people. So hot. Yeah. It's beautiful that I'm like they look like they could be like AI, but they're like the real deal. And I was like, is this jealousy?

Like it really blew my mind of how negative some people were. And I didn't really understand where that was coming from. And I felt like it had to be some sort of like, I don't know, jealousy or they think that these people think they're better than other. I don't know what it was, but I felt like what they created was exactly what you got from it. This place that was perfect. for a certain kind of person, including you guys. And they were as wonderful as I knew they were to be when you talked to them, correct?

Yeah, they're fantastic. And, like, part of the thing that happens with us is if we're out and we have a couple drinks, whether it's a cruise or a bar or whatever, we're so sexual that the idea that we can't actually just start making out or, like, you can't bend me over the bar. It's, like, frustrating. And so, but, but again, that's about me and him, less somebody else. And so that's the other thing that kind of resonated was it sounds like the environments they create. It can just be that.

Exactly. Without worrying about some single guy coming up and like being in your face trying to, you know, whatever. Force you to do anything more. You could be, you could have your own sort of hotness with each other out in the open on the fly in this safe space. Without it going further, without anyone coming involved, becoming involved. But you can go further than you could in a regular bar. That's why I just really felt like, like I said, they really, like, created this thing that didn't really exist. What was the name of their club again?

Let's give a shout out. It's that word that has a Greek meaning. Oh, fuck. What's the name? I want to, oh, my God. It starts with a V. Club Volepta. Yes.

Yes. Okay, Volepta. Club Volepta. Okay, people need to go listen to that episode and don't judge them for any, just take it at face value. They're everything they talk about everything. They're cool. And you're here to say they're like wonderful people, right? Like you were vetted, you got in and everything, right?

They were fantastic. They are exactly who they present themselves at, you know, as on the episode. Yeah. I love that you give them that shout out because people were so fucking weird. Okay. So I know you wind up having a threesome, you know, I don't know where we're at in the story. I mean, you're looking for things at this point. You're, you know, you're going to go to a club in your area, but you haven't been to a

club, you didn't like the apps. How do you wind up into three? So it ended up being another friend who is single and I knew that, well, she's very bisexual. So I knew she was attracted to me, but nothing between us had ever happened. We'd known each other a long time. And then I kind of felt like she was attracted to my husband too. And so it was kind of like starting just flirting and talking over probably two or three months even. And then one day we were all together and she was getting ready to leave. And all of a sudden out of nowhere, I said, why don't you kiss her before she leaves? Oh, my God.

But did she know that you were on the hunt? She knew we were definitely open. Okay. I don't really remember how much I had told her, but God knows probably everything because that's what I did. Okay, cool. So, and I think in that moment, I kind of paralyzed my husband because it was so unexpected. And so nothing happened. She left.

And then, but it was very, and then we kind of texted. She and I texted a little bit. And, you know, she kind of would have a couple drinks at night and text me all the things that she wished she had done. Like what? Well, let me ask you a question. What were the kind of things that she would be texting and you would be texting? Like I didn't wear panties today when I saw you. I was hoping that you would put your fingers inside me.

What? That was like the minute that I, like the minute she knew that the door was open when you said kiss and like the things change between the two of you? No, I think that had actually been going on a little bit prior to me saying the kiss thing. I think those texts kind of let me know that she was interested if we were interested. And so that's kind of why I threw the kiss thing out that day because that had been going on for probably a few weeks. The text started before in what sense? Like who threw out the first text? She definitely did.

Why do you think? Because she knew you were like into this shit. I mean, somehow there had to been something sad or something. She knew that I was very open. She knew that I wanted to explore different things. She knew that I wasn't jealous. I didn't, really, what I didn't know is whether she was attracted to my husband. I knew she was attracted to me.

Okay. And so you guys are flirting, hardcore. Oh, yeah, hardcore. Yeah. And how horny are you getting, like just doing this? Because you haven't been with a girl in a very long time. You've been literally talking about this for so long that I would just think that the build-up and all of this is like making you nuts, now?

No, it's crazy. We brought her into our talks, like we would start in. incorporating her. And so probably for a few weeks. And then we even had one night, like, on vacation where we left a restaurant and we're talking all sorts of shit and talking about her. And, like, we ended up having sex outside where he bent me over something. And, like, I mean, it got crazy just because it escalated from this idea to something

that could actually happen, which like kind of heightened the talk about it, I guess. So that's sort of where we were when I threw the kiss thing out. And then it was like a week later when it actually happened. Okay. So after the kiss thing doesn't happen, you guys still texting for that whole week to build up again? They're kind of hit or miss. Like every few days maybe I would get a text and just kind of giggle. Okay. And then we went out. one night and she and I went into the bathroom and made out in a stall and came back and told him about it. And I think he was pretty excited about that thought. Okay. How was the makeup, by the way? It was good. I mean, it had been a while. It was super sexy. It was, you know,

I think there's a certain age where bathrooms start to get a little, like, feel dirty. I can imagine. You know, yeah, if you're 20, you're like, whatever. And I'm like, oh, my God, I might get pink eye. Yeah, yeah. You know, but it was hot. It was definitely, definitely hot. Okay.

But that night, you don't take her home or anything. That night, you just tell you're a guy. No, we do. Oh, we do that night. Okay. Yeah. Okay, so you come back, you tell your guy. Tell him, he's kind of visibly excited.

At one point, he kind of had his arm around both of us, and it was kind of cute. and I wasn't feeling any kind of way. Like I was also measuring myself to see, okay, this is probably going to happen. How am I feeling? And I was good. I was super good. And then we all drove together. And on the drive home, like, she was kind of leaned from the backseat up to where I was sitting, making out with me.

And he put his hands down my pants while she was kissing me. And it was this, it's a miracle we did not get pulled over a die, actually getting to where we were going. because I think it had just been building so much. You know, it was like, good, it was the longest drive ever. So, and then we got to where we were going and it was pretty immediate. She and I were making out. And then I said to him, go down on her right now, which is, you know, I always thought that was kind of more intimate than anything else.

Yeah. So the fact that that popped into my head and I wanted that so bad kind of surprised me. Like you wanted to see that. Yeah, I wanted to see that. And, and it was probably, it was the hottest thing I have ever experienced in my entire life. Oh my God. I can imagine because, I mean, you're building up to this for so long. You know what I mean? Have you ever, like, we're going to get more details of this three. So I mean, he goes down on her. Like, have you, did you go down on her that night? Yeah. Okay. So we'll get to that. Okay. So you're, so that's the first thing. Now, right?

So you say go down on her and she like pulls her pants down and he goes to town? Yep. Okay. And then what happens? Yep. He made her come. Walk us through the whole experience. Okay.

So he made her come. I was kissing her, playing with her boobs while that happened. And then I don't know how I ended up going down on her. But I did. And he was kind of playing with both of us. and I got her to come, which was really, I mean, if I could have a medal, like, it might be my proudest moment since I was so afraid of it. Yeah, I could imagine. And so that was amazing.

And at some point, he said, can I fuck her? And those words still can almost give me an orgasm thinking about it. Right. Mainly because he was so gunshot and so for him to be that turned on in the moment and that bold and brave and writ, I was just like, ah. But also you're just so wired into being a cuck queen. That's why those words fucking take you over the edge. I guess. I mean, really, this is wild to me. But it is definitely the hottest thing in the entire world. And so he did. And then at one point he had, she was laying like kind of on her back. and I was on top of her, so we were face to face. And then he, like, took a dildo and was kind of like fucking both of us back and forth while we were making out, which was also incredibly hot.

Like, from, like, in her to you, to back to you, to her, like that kind of a thing. Yeah, yeah. And so I would say she probably came like five times at night. She definitely had a good time. At one point, his cock was in his mouth. I'm not her mouth. I'm not sure how that happened. but that was super hot too.

Oh my God, but wait, how long you've known this girl for? A long time. Isn't it crazy that like you're getting to know her on this intimate level out of nowhere? Like you're so close with her? Yeah, no. And you know what? When we were talking about the unicorn experiences, there was one situation that happened in between this and those,

which was sort of a random thing where I was asleep at a friend's house one night and kind of woke up with her going down on me. What? Why did you miss that one? Why did you not tell us that story? I don't know, but it, I, it was just such a random. It wasn't like anything led up to it. Was it this girl or someone else?

No. It was a different friend, another friend? Yeah, totally different. What's up in the water? You think you live in a conservative place, but look at all your fucking friends. None of them are from where we live there. Oh, okay, okay, okay. All right, so wait, so you wake up to some girl that you know going down on you.

Yeah. How do you think she got the invitation? I think she I think she went to bed and I went to bed we had had some drinks and I think she was probably like watching porn or somehow

got turned on I was like the only one left and so she just came in there and start and my first reaction was kind of like what the fuck and then I was like well it's actually really fucking good so I guess my point is just yeah my experience has been with friends

and has been with friends that I've had for a long time. So I also knew that it wouldn't change. Right, of course. It wasn't like the craziest thing you've ever done. You've been there done that many times. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. But how was it going down on her? Because like you did say in the beginning, like I didn't know if it smelled bad, if it would be girl. Like I was like, no way. I mean, but this time you did go down. Besides being proud of yourself that you give me to her calm, like how was it for you? I loved it. Right. I mean, I loved it. And I knew she was, she's very hygienic. Like she always smells delicious.

I knew she would probably be really nice. And so, yeah, I mean, it was, I don't know, it was interesting. It was sort of like, and I've been kind of like practicing, like, if, when my husband and I are together, like, sometimes I'll just like start licking his arm or something in the middle of sex, like kind of like motions of it sort of, one, it turns him on because he's thinking of me doing that. but two, I was kind of practicing, I guess. Oh, you mean like a flatter, on a flatter surface?

Oh, but wait, but that tongue movement is like as if you're going down on her. Yes. Oh, okay. That's so interesting. Yeah. So I've kind of been just getting a little bit of, so, I mean, I don't know. It's different. It's so different than having a dick in your mouth.

Right. I can probably right. Of course. But yeah, I would definitely, I would definitely do it again, 100%. Well, so when. And what was like the hot, like the hottest thing for you of that experience? Was it watching him, fucker? Was it you going down on her?

Was it all of the above? Did you ever do 69? No. I don't think so. Although maybe. But that's definitely, that's definitely one my husband's really, really, really turned on by the idea of me doing 69 with a girl and then him coming back and forth. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So, but did you love seeing your husband fuck her? Like, what was, was there like a part of that whole three, some that really stood out to you? Or was just the whole thing, like, super hot? What's, first of all, the can I fuck her. Yeah, there you go, yeah. Yeah.

And then the going down on her, seeing his cock in her mouth. Yeah. Okay. I would say, though, it's that just what turns me on most about the whole thing is the level of turn. on that he was. Yeah, that's a part of it a lot of times, right? Seeing his pleasure, him being pleasure. Yeah, and there's something about, I guess this is the whole thing, but there's something about when you're one-on-one with somebody, it's just very different what you're seeing and taking in. And so being in a situation where you can actually like watch that person

that you're so turned on by be turned on in a way that isn't, isn't so involved. with you that you're kind of missing it, I guess. Yeah. So it's that. And then the other thing I realize is that the act itself was amazing, but what it gave us since then is ridiculous. Like the amount of sex we've had since that night. You're like living off of it?

No. Oh, yeah. That's what people say. That's what people say the reclaiming afterwards. And it's like a lot of times people say it's not just the one time after. It could be three weeks later. You know what I mean? Like how long have you?

Has it been since that threesome? Yeah, probably about three weeks. Okay, so it's very recent. Now, has she been blowing up your phone? Are you guys still sexting? Do you have plans to go there again? Did she get freaked out afterwards? Like, what happened, like, after and what's it going down with her now?

Yeah, there was a lot of checking in. I think she was really worried that I would get freaked out or jealous or whatever. Yeah, she just fucked your husband. Yeah, so I'm like, girl, like, do it again. Do it tomorrow. do it in a second. I'm good. Like literally not.

And that's the other interesting thing is listening to your podcast. I know that some people have this experience and there are those moments, but of little sparks of jealousy or whatever. But for me, I had none. I almost was controlling the situation a little bit with nothing. There was nothing that affected me in a negative way. Yeah, that's great. And so I kept reassuring her, really, that everything was. fine. But it was funny that the next day, like, he and I had to do, I don't know, errands,

it was a Sunday. So we're kind of driving and he's like, how do you feel? I'm like, I feel totally normal. How, I feel totally normal too. How weird that you both feel normal, right? Like, that's what's not normal is that you feel normal. Yes. That's the most abnormal part. Exactly. Exactly. So now it's, that you don't feel abnormal. That's so fucking funny. So yeah, I don't know. We haven't, our friends been out of town. So I have a feeling it'll probably happen again. We kind of created this space recently where we have like a sex swing, which we haven't hooked up yet because I am frankly terrified that somehow something will go wrong and

medics will find us like crumpled up on the floor. Imagine the cops have to like the, yeah, they have to come and get you out of your fucking sex swing. Probably not the first time it's happened. Right. But we got one. Okay. That's fun.

Yeah, and we got this like riding thing. It's like kind of like a rubber. No, it's like a rubber kind of, it's like a blow up thing that rocks back and forth and it has handles. And then you can attach any kind of like suction dildo to the center of it and sit on it and rock. Interesting. Yeah, so we got a bunch of like fun stuff for this room. So we're kind of like getting into that. And it also gave us a space where if we did encounter somebody,

we'd have a fun place to bring them back to, which is kind of cool. Now, is your, like, what would be your next move? Like, if you could just, like, set up your next, like, six months, would it be that this girl would be the one girl that you would use all the time? Would it be that you would meet other people? Like, what do you have your, like, what's your plans for your future? Now that you know that this is something that you're very into. I would say we're definitely open to her.

We're definitely open to any other encounters. We're probably going to check out this club in your house. Yeah, we're probably going to go to one with a really, really firm, with a really good exit plan in case it's just, what I'm honestly afraid of is it's going to be a bunch of gross looking like, you know, like weird sitting around naked like. Yeah, but it could be the complete opposite. Like you have no idea.

You're just making it shit in your head. what you have to do, you have to go. And you can might, there's a chance that you're completely right, but there's also a huge chance that you're totally wrong. And you'll be like, oh my God, they were like the loveliest people. I saw this, I saw that. You know what I mean? I think you're more likely to not have that as your experience and have it. But that could happen. You just don't know, you know. Every club has a different vibe and party and stuff, you know. And sometimes you do hear that people go to a place and it's just like they're really turned off. But I typically hear the opposite that people go and they just love the people there and they're so lovely and cool and

you know and it's very different than what you imagine yeah and i've communicated with the person that puts these parties on and they seem lovely and they they definitely like helped alleviate some some of the fears so i would guess that in the next couple weeks we're going to end up at one of those parties and what about club volupta what's the deal with that so we just started our like seven-day kind of trial and we've been kind of playing around in there. It's definitely really sexy, really hot. What's in there? Meaning they have like an online

community? Yes. And to me the way I would describe it is sort of like a sexy, multi-layered Facebook almost where you can communicate and, you know, share pictures and it's

really cool. I've never seen anything actually quite like it. It's pretty awesome. So, but we've some stuff going on in the past week so we haven't been able to super dive in so that's kind of on the table this weekend is to look at that look at when they have an event coming up I would definitely love to go to one of their events and what are the demographics of the people that are inside there once you get in it seemed like a range kind of probably late 30s 40s seemed kind of primary yeah hot hot people yeah definitely I love that yeah yeah yeah I think it was the

ugly people that were jealous of them. I don't know. I never, I didn't understand. Maybe. I don't know. They're so sweet. I just makes sense out that anybody would have that reaction. Yeah.

I was filling out the application before your episode even ended. Yes. I was blown away. Because listen, I have these conversations. Like I said, I grill somebody. So by the end of an hour, I know who this person is. You know what I mean? Like I get a good vibe.

You know, they were just like, like I said, I just like loved everything about them. And then I edit every. episode myself. So I listen to the, like, I'm going to listen to your episode twice, right? I have the conversation. Then I edit it and I hear it again, you know, and like never once did I think anything other than what you thought and what I got out of it. And then when the comments came in, I was floored. I just like didn't understand it at all. So I'm so glad that we're giving them another shout out on this episode because it was weird. And listen, just because I've been an content person for a long time. And, you know, the little people that are saying shit online,

most of the time is not the majority anyway. You know what I mean? It's, it's, the minority that really sort of comment sometimes it's typically like a lot of the negative stuff. I just was surprised that they didn't get more positive but I love that you went and so other people were not like the negative people which is great

but your so your story is like you're going to go to the party you're going to be in club of left now let me ask you this is there ever anything on the table as far as like your guy wanting to see you with the guy or is it just going to be like you guys with girls? He's definitely

not a fan of that idea and I'm not either. I think what like the hot wife stories where it's that way, I'm like, nope, I have no desire whatsoever. Yeah, that's typically the way it is. Yeah, but now when it comes to the swinger side of things, I don't, I guess our definition of what we would be into would fall in the soft swap umbrella to a degree where I would be very comfortable and I think he would to being in the same space as another couple. and she and I messing around and if she was wanting to mess around

with him, that'd be fine. It would just kind of be I wouldn't be comfortable doing anything with the guy, but I'd be fine with him watching. So that could kind of maybe open up a few more doors, but I don't think that swingers necessarily love that scenario.

Yeah, I mean, it's very specific. You guys know what you're looking for and stuff, and you just never really know. I know as a cut queen, I was never interested in the opposite. until like my guys, one of my guys sent me a video of him fucking other, the girl. Oh, no, that's when I figured out I was into the hot wiping, but then that same guy at one point said, oh, you know, I'd be interested in you doing the same thing. And then the thought of that, like, it turned me on.

And I was like, out of nowhere. I'm like, I realized, oh, I'm into that too. So you just never know. You know what I mean? If you called me up a year and a half from now, I'll be like, oh, I'm fucking guys now too. So who knows? You know what I mean? You never kind of know. It's weird. And I, that's what I learned from my show that I've like, just like you, like, realize I was into something that I would have never thought that I was, you know, especially. And what I love about you is you were like, kind of like me, like someone who's very jealous at the thought of their person fucking somebody else. And now it's like literally like that's a thing that turns you on more than anything,

which is more than anything. And I do believe, I remember when the first cook queen called into my show and I aired it and she was the one that made me put it together for myself a little bit back then. But I remember getting so many emails from girls, you know, and then I would get another one that we're calling it. And every time I do have someone that talks about this, I get so many girls email me because I still think, and you tell me if I'm wrong, but like, I still think there's not so much stuff out there. Like, there's hard to get information. It's not like a big thing in porn or, you know what I mean? And typically it's all this like the humiliation. You know what I mean?

It's not like what people like you and me are looking for. And it's like, when I had this one porn lady on my show that created Afterglom, I'm like, do some cock queen like scenarios. I'm like, I could give you like the fantasies that girls are looking for, because it's very hard to find it, you know, but yet there's so many, I think, women that are down for this than people think, you know? Yeah, I definitely think there is a, there is a hole in the lifestyle about this particular thing that is just not. So, I don't know, maybe we can, maybe we can create something, a world for this universe for people. Yeah, well, listen, just you, honestly, just you calling in and the Cuck Queen word will be in your title.

You know, girls will find it that are looking because they're trying to put a word, you know, and that's what's going to happen. And every time I have another cook queen call in, it just creates that awareness, gets more people, puts the light bulb in other women's heads, you know what I mean? And it just, and it becomes a thing. Because listen, I got to tell you, the hot wave thing wasn't so big in the beginning of my show. One guy was calling in talking about it. I didn't even know what it meant.

And then so many years later, hotwifing is the biggest fucking thing since I don't even know what. So, you know, maybe 10 years from now, Cuck Queen will be all the rage. But there needs to be more shit out there for Cuck Queens because it's a few and far between. But you're having, you had a hot Cuck Queen experience, I got to tell you. And I'm sure that girl's going to be down when she comes home.

Yeah, I think she had a really good time. So that also, it's also kind of we're high-fiving each other. Like, yeah. Oh, my God. Is she single? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

That doesn't sound, you don't sound convincing. when you say that, but it's okay. Well, there's somebody there, but I think, I think they're on the way out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I could tell that you were like, I can't really say she's with someone, so she's kind of cheating on them, but she's not really because he's a fucking asshole. Like, I don't know, I could tell that whole story. Exactly.

That's exactly. 100%. Yeah, I got it. Okay, listen, I'm obsessed with your whole conversation. I love your whole story. It's so super interesting. Your guy must be blown away and, like, really happy. He's pretty happy.

like the fourth guy was the charm for you. I don't think there's going to be any other marriages in your lifetime. Never. No, I love that. But listen, if you want to send me a pick for my Patreon, you can. You listen to my show like girls always send in picks if you want. I always say for Patreon, it's like R rated, like not X rated because, you know, whatever. And I don't show faces over there. But you'll also get into my Discord, which is very naughty. It's not as high end as Volupta. Like people there are hardcore in my Discord, but you could get into there. You'll get a link. in. Oh, you're already in. So you know. No, no, no. I mean, I'm in on that. Oh, okay. Good. Oh, okay. Good. So you'll love it. So when we hang up, by the way, when you get my, my calendar, we'll send you like a stock. Thank you for calling in, blah, blah, and the link to my discord is in there. It's private. It's free, but it's private. Like nobody else gets the link unless you're on my show or buy my book or join my Patreon. So you'll get that when we hang up and you could go in and make sure you put your name as Vanessa, because when your episode airs, I'll give you access to the guest channel there and you could post in there if you want to. okay.

Okay, awesome. And I'll send you a free month of Patreon so you can see the comments when your episode airs. And keep me post. If you ever go into Club Volupten, have some experiences. We'll have you back on to talk about it. Okay. Awesome.

Thank you. All right. Thanks, Vanessa. Thanks so much for calling in and telling me you're sure. We need more Cuck Queen stories. So thanks for calling in. Spreading the word. Yes.

All right. Thanks, Kathy. Bye. Thanks, Vanessa. Bye. Okay. I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession.

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