Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 159 - Where are They Now 2016: Honey Lexx has a New Sugar Daddy

Episode Date: January 2, 2017

Happy 2017! Honey Lexx (episode calls in again to talk all about her new Sugar Daddy who she recently started seeing. Where did she meet him? Have they had sex?What kind of arrangement do they have? Is she still seeing her previous 63 year old Sugar Daddy? Tune on to find out plus hear a bunch of updates on some of the callers from 2016. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Send me an email at Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com. It's the end of the year, so I always like to do a where are they now kind of episode. I always email all of my callers who've been on my show for the past year to see if they have an update so I could give Some people have longer updates than others, so I'm just going to be taping podcasts with them. That's who I have on the show today. Honey Lex is back on with an update. She was the girl that was sleeping with a 62 or 63-year-old guy, and things were going well. But she was wondering, I mean, she called in because he was giving her like a lot of money and stuff, and she was like, what do you think?

Like, I was, well, she wasn't like, what do you think? She was thinking maybe she should instead of just be. monogamous with him go out and start looking for other sugar daddies because she couldn't believe how easy it was to get cash from guys. And so we kind of hash that out on her last episode. And a lot has gone down since then. So I decided to take a whole podcast with her. So that's what's going to be on this show. You're going to get an update of what Honey Lex is doing now. And then there's a couple other people who emailed me. Those will be podcasts. I'll air in January. But the other people who emailed me back that had quick updates that I'll give you. There is Melissa, Melissa from

Brazil. Her most recent episode is number 118. She was like single. When she first called in, she was single dating like a guy that was like just an unavailable piece of garbage. And she eventually broke up with him, met a really great guy and was dating him. The last episode she called in on, I think it was episode 118. Things were going good with her boyfriend. They had a threesome. And the good news is that, you know, I'm here to tell you or, you know, Melissa's life shows that you could have a threesome with your boyfriend of just maybe like a year. I think she wasn't even dating him that long. And things could be okay and turn out okay because they actually moved in together.

And they recently went away to Brazil, where she is from. And they got married and things are great. So I'm very happy for Melissa from Brazil. I predicted that was going to happen to her. I knew she was on her way towards like a healthy relationship. I got an update from Sam, Sam, who was by gender. He's episode 144. He, you know, he was at a crossroads because he didn't know whether he should transition physically.

He had this rare, like, disease or problem when he was younger where he grew tits and he had to get a breast reduction. And he always sort of regretted that as he got older because it turned out he was transgender and he wanted those breasts back. So what he told me is that he's looking into maybe having that surgery. He was, he didn't know whether he was going to do it on the last podcast. but now he's come to the place where he definitely feels like he's ready for that. So he's reaching out looking for a doctor that could do that. We'll see whether it's possible. He's also thinking about starting his own transgender podcast, which I think is a great idea.

I'm sure there's ones out there. I don't really know. But I think, you know, it's a hot topic. And I think a lot of people want to hear about it. A lot of people are confused about it. If, you know, they're going through it. So I think if he puts himself out there on a podcast, that'd be really great. The other person I heard back from was Diamond.

Remember Diamond? She was episode 119. She was dating a sex addict. She was like just, he was just like a big cheater who was making her feel terrible about herself and crazy. And she was a woman who had two kids with another guy. And she cheated on him and her marriage went south. She was got married very young, had kids very young. And, you know, after being with her husband for a bunch of years, their relationship went south because she strayed. But it wasn't because she's a whore like people would think was because things were going well in her relationship and it was dissolving. And then she went out and dated other people and wound up with this guy who was a total asshole. The good news is she left that guy. I think my advice to her was leave him. I mean, he just never changed. He was like one of those

once a cheater, always a cheater. He just kept cheating. And she left him. And she's actually back with her husband, which I think is fantastic because she has two kids with him. And they were really young. So I think, you know, sometimes maybe it's a timing thing, right? So she's back with him. They've been together for six months and she said she couldn't be happier. Like things are they're working together to create a family and to do it again the right way. And I think that they have a good chance of succeeding because they are older. You know, I think age, especially when you're in your 20s, you change so much year to year that once you hit like your 30s, you're a little bit more, you're less changeable.

And I think it's easier to maybe commit to the same person. and stay with them because there's less change going on. So I think that they have a good chance of making it work. And I mean, she said everything was really great. So I'm happy for her as well. And like I said, I have a lot of other people who sent me updates. But because their stories were much longer and they had a lot more stuff to say in their updates. I said, like, why don't we tape a whole podcast?

So I'll have those coming up in the month of January. It'll be like the where are they now month. But anyway, I'm going to start this. podcast and be right back on with Honey Lex. Do you have a story, lifestyle, or situation you can't talk about to anyone, to anyone? Or do you just want to let your freak flag fly and be on the show? Well, Strictly Anonymous wants to hear from you. Send us an email, Strictly Anonymous podcast at gmail.com with your story and your anonymous name.

And remember, everything is strictly anonymous. Okay, hey, honey, Lex, you're on the strictly anonymous podcast with an update. How are you doing today? I'm good. I just sounded like a robot. No, I mean, the normal intro thing. I know. Okay, cool.

So, hey, listen, I know I typically do, you know, update shows at the end of the year. And you had sent me an email with an update. And I was like, okay, let's wait to see if there's even more of an update, like in December, right? Because things changed very quickly. after we last spoke. And where we were when we last spoke for people that didn't listen to your first episode is you were dating a much older guy

who some would say was like your sugar daddy, right? Because he was paying your bills. I mean, you were getting a lot from this guy. But you really actually cared about him. Like you felt like it was a real relationship, though it was a secret relationship because he was way older than you. He was like 61 and you're like 23?

Yeah, he's 60 and 20. And it didn't start as that at all. It was like, you know, super natural a person. Then it kind of became that sugar daddy. Oh, it wasn't even a sugar daddy thing. It was like, right. I mean, you really liked him. But eventually he started paying for things and everything.

And you did come on the show because you were thinking maybe you should go get other guys to pay for you and stuff. Because you were like, you couldn't believe how much shit you were getting from this guy. But you genuinely liked him. And my advice to you was like, keep dating him. Because you're probably, it's not as easy to go out and get other. you know sugar daddy quote unquote sugar daddies even though what you had wasn't really a typical sugar daddy situation because you guys kind of had a real relationship there was a weird thing about your relationship which was like he never wanted to have sex like actual penetration sex

which was fucking weird but yeah we never had sex we still haven't had sex yeah okay you're gonna I'm davia that shit and then that was like a weird thing so if people want to hear all about like your relationship and the backstory to it they could listen to your first episode but and you had cheated on him like right before like right very like right before you spoke with me

you had cheated on him but we decided you weren't going to tell him or anything like that and think and that's where your status was like you cared about him you were not going to go looking for other booty call guys and you were just going to hang out and date him so take it from there

what happened yeah so I think also with that cheating scenario like it kind of got me like wondering because honestly you know it would be like I said earlier too it would be easy like it wouldn't be hard for me to like go out and get more if I wanted to but you know like I don't I'm I'm pretty faithful when it comes to the relationship so everything was going good I talked to in October yeah it was like the end of October it's funny you aired it on his birthday oh really does he know

did you tell him yeah no oh right right right okay right I forgot you cheated on him But, yeah, so it was all good. So then he started like, so I wasn't working at the time. And then I think recently after that, I did start working because I was just like starting to like get bored and just I don't like, I like having my own a little bit. Of course. But before that, before that he started like, he, I guess he has like anxiety. And so he started like this. including like we like doing him got less and kind of less and then every Monday I would always like

we'd hang out I like go over to his place and stuff and it's just like we either get dinner like you know I go over there and like you just hang out and watch you know Netflix or something but like that even got like to a point where it's like he wouldn't even like leave his room like I'd come over sometimes and like even cook for him and like um and he wouldn't even get out of bed so it just got to be like kind of just like a downer and I feel like every conversation we had it was like I was just holding so much like emotional baggage of his so it got really stressful like even times like I'd go out of my way to like I'd you know like make dinner since because I know like when he's with me like when we're out he'd be good like nothing would bother him but he just would just like poke in his room and stuff so that would be like you know like that like he'd do that and make everything worse. so like it just got really like hard like I even like go out of my way like drive an hour to see him and I'm like halfway there I'm like so we're doing this for sure like yeah you know actually I don't feel like it and stuff so it just like it was just like not fun it's like really I guess like that's when

it hit like damn I'm dating like an old man yeah like if that was your father it would be great because you'd be like okay see it later go now but like it's different when it's your boyfriend Yeah, I just got in like, and I know that's not him, you know, I get like he's going through something, but it just like, it wasn't what it was at first, like what I was attracted to. I like to fund outgoing and like him and stuff. So this was like kind of foreign to me and I did not have to deal with it even though I try to be like so supportive, even though now like I'm still super supportive. But it just, it was just hard for me. So we kind of got distant, especially when I started working. and we both acknowledged and kind of like spoke on it but like didn't really like change our like relationship you know but it was like that weird tension in the air so about a few weeks so I started actually um I signed up for seeking arrangements like it's like the sugar you dad do what I'm like just to like kind of like and I was like going out a little bit more just to like see what's out there and like you know just kind of waters and um um I actually, so like a few weeks ago, I spoke with him and like kind of just like, so we were on the same page.

And I like, like, I told him like, look, I, we have this kind of expectation for each other because we kind of have this title of boyfriend and girlfriend. So like I expect, you know, you expect to see me and like I expect if you have plans with me like to come through with him. And it's like, you know, I know you have a lot to work on right now. I don't think that I'm helping. I think we need to go, you know, you need to work on this, you're on yourself, and I'm still going to be here. And like, I can get myself together and like, you know, we can still have this, but just like let it be known we're on the same page kind of, I think. So you're kind of giving him the breakup speech, kind of, right? Like, I'll still be your friend.

It was kind of like, let's be friends. Kind of, yeah. Like, that was a goal. But also, you know, like, he knows I do need his help, kind of, you know, in the situation, I'm still trying to, like, build myself. So he's always been supportive, like, you know, all, like, so... Financially. Even though... Yeah, even though it's gotten definitely less and less.

But, yeah, so... So I started, like, dabbling on those speaking arrangements, and actually I found these two guys I was talking to, this one guy, whatever, he's like, he's whatever. But this other guy, so, like, I got tired of just, like, messaging back and forth with people. And so this one guy, I was just on it late at night, and I see like he, like, messaged me or liked my prey. So I'm just like, hey, like, what's up?

Do you want to, like, video chat? Like, let's just, like, or talk on the phone. How old was this guy? He's 42. Okay. So younger, you know? More appropriate, maybe. Still way older than you, but younger than the other guy.

Yeah, yeah. And so we, like, really hit it off. So I want to say this was like three weeks ago. And so at that point, we were talking like every day because he's actually in London. So we talked at night. I talked to him at night and in the morning like every day. And we like type kind of throughout the day. And so we were talking for maybe a week.

And like, you know, we were like kind of making plans. Like I'd love to see you, this and that. And it actually came a point in time where like my friend was out in. in Europe and I had a week off of work. So I was like, hey, you know, like, you want to try to make this happen, you know? And so we were first like kind of nervous, but we ended up like going for it. So he got me a ticket to go to London and see him. And so actually last week.

Now, he had pictures and everything that you saw and everything. Yeah, yeah. He's legit. Like before he showed me. you know, like all this information and stuff. And I found out he was married, too. When did you find out when you were, before you flew out or after? Before I flew out.

Before I flew out. How did you find out? I asked him, it was probably like a few days after we started talking. Well, this was all happening like a seven-day period. Okay. So I want to say maybe like the third or fourth day, because I forgot to ask and I forgot that's even a thing I have to think about. and he told me he was married and like he was really up front about everything

well I would think if you're on a website called seeking arrangement.com you might have to ask that question you know 20 something girl guy of course yeah but he was honest he was honest yes very honest and he was like you know I don't know if I want to like

um constantly cheat on my wife so that's why I'm kind of just you know but like I've had a situation like this before and like I kind of like that and I miss it. And let me ask you this really quick on seeking arrangement.com. Like do they tell you what they're willing to give you and you put in what you want? What was what did you put in that you wanted and what was he willing to give? What was the arrangement you guys like had agreed to online?

They were, both of our things were set as negotiable. So there was no there was no, yeah, there was no arrangement set. Okay. Right. Did he ask you that question, though, like in the beginning when you guys first started talking or did you just start talking like normally? Yeah, we kind of just like started talking. Like we talked about like why we were on the site and like, you know, kind of like our past and like what, you know, like bought us there. But no, we still to this day, I mean, literally now it's been two weeks, you know. But still to this day we haven't talked about a specific arrangement, which I actually want to talk about soon.

but but yeah so he ended up so wait what was they down right yeah you flew out so he got your ticket did he fly you first class or coach no um what was it coach okay okay it was it it was to me yeah that's okay you could work up to that right yeah eventually yeah you could yeah yeah in your arrangement non-negotiable person I'm sorry but you know why not whatever I sound so obnoxious. No, the thing is, I've actually, I have set a, I have set a dollar amount, but also that's a deterrent sometimes. And every situation's different.

So I feel like it's better to like kind of like figure out. Mm-hmm. So you fly out there. Does he pick you up from the airport? Like, what's your first meeting like? Yeah. So I was so nervous. I was freaking out because like it, he was really honest like with me.

When he bought the ticket, I was on the phone. I was like FaceTiming him and stuff. And that's when he was like, you know, are you sure you want to do this? Like, you know, he was kind of like telling me like, this is like, can be go both ways, you know, like I know you're going to be wonderful, but I don't know. It's like, you know, he was freaking out then. I was like, yeah, I mean, like, if you're okay with it, that's fine. And it's not like, it's okay. We can figure out that at the time.

And I think me being like, like, honest and listening to him, he liked that. So he was like, okay, you know, like, you're not like pushing me to do this and stuff. So I feel like that this will be okay. And so I was like, yeah, let's do this. And then the weekend before I went out there, oh my God, I was literally flipping out. I couldn't focus on anything. I was like, this is real. Like, this is craziness.

I don't even know this guy. I'm going across the world to meet him. I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah. And so it was like pretty stressful. But when I met him, it was so easy. Like, he was such a gentleman, Kathy. Like, this is like such a sweet guy.

And like, we just spend the whole day. So he didn't meet me at the airport, which is like better. I feel like, you know, I got situated in the hotel and all that. Now, do you pay for your hotel? Yeah. Was it a nice hotel? Yeah, it was a really nice hotel in the middle, like right near Oxford Street, like central to everything. Okay.

And so I like his pictures. I'm sorry, I keep cutting you off. Yeah, it was him. No, yeah. It was, it was him. We FaceTimed himself before. Oh, right, right. So you knew.

So he were attracted to him. He was good looking. Yeah, I mean, I was attracted to his personality. Like that's, I don't really, you know. He wasn't ugly. He wasn't somebody I'd be like, hey, there, you know. But you liked his person. Is he funny?

Yeah, he's funny. He's smart. We talk about politics. We talk about, like, candy. We talk about, like, everything. Okay, cool. And we don't, and it wasn't, we didn't even talk about, like, anything really sexual. So that was, like, kind of, you know, reassuring, too.

Like, he made it, like, he wanted, he wanted it to be platonic. He told me that. We didn't do anything the whole time. Oh, interesting. Another guy, listen, this is your thing. We've discussed this before. Yes, it is. Yeah, like attracts like.

This is a perfect example. You have like a thing. It's not just your guys thing. I peg this, the first podcast. You have some weird thing about not having sex with people. And so you attract men that aren't into sex too, which is like, honestly, I think you've almost reached the point where you've dated every guy that's not into sex in the universe.

because there's not many of them, but so far you're two for two. Okay. And through now, you're three for three because you had a long-distance relationship where you didn't fuck the guy for eight months. And either he was cheating like crazy beyond your back or he was a weirdo too. Okay, so this guy doesn't even. No, he doesn't. Stop. We're not going backwards.

He doesn't, he flies all the way out there and he doesn't want to have sex. No. Do you guys make out? What base did you get to? Yeah. What? What base? Like, you know, first, second, third.

What base did you get to? We got to, like, first and a half base. So he grabbed your tits on the outside of your shirt? Is that what you mean by a half? So, like, we made out. Oh, my God. He was super, like, we even, like, ran it. I told you he was married, right?

So we went out to eat after, like, he, like, toured me around. And we ran into a few times. He ran into, like, his co-workers. and we didn't have a back story anything because I guess he wasn't expecting that. So it was kind of just like an awkward situation. But the one time we went out to eat and this is like the day we hung out the whole day

and like we were drinking so we were like tipsy and like just having like a really fun time. And this guy, he's the, the fact of him who used to work with and he's actually the godfather of this guy's children. So we're on his date. You know, obviously like dady. And he comes over and like, hey, and they're having this conversation.

I'm just sitting there like, you know, hey. And like that, you know, that happens. And we stay at this restaurant maybe for like three or four hours. And so we end up like making our way to the bar. And we're still talking stuff. And he just like kisses me. It's like no shame. He just like mixed out with me.

I was like, okay. You know, like that's what you want to do. So that's where it started. And then so we're just like making out. and we take me back to my hotel and so I'm like hey do you want to come up and then just like chill and so we get to my hotel and yeah we were just chilling like kissing and stuff like yeah he grabbed my boobs like he saw me like in my lingerie and that was about it so there you are you flew all the way out there he knows you're leaving and he's not going to see you for whatever he's been married

with the same woman so he hasn't seen a new badge and a very long time and there you are I'm assuming he thinks ready willing and able you're half naked more than half naked your two thirds naked and he doesn't try to do he doesn't even grab your tit underneath your neck like your little nighty

he just yeah no he did he did but like that was as far as it went did you take your tits out and play with them no no that's what I'm saying he so he grabbed them oh on top of your thing that you were worried. He didn't take him out. I don't know.

I think he like started like and then he was like kissing my boobs and stuff. But that was it. I don't know. I wish I had like 18 guys on this call with us so they could tell me if I'm being crazy to think that this is another weirdo with a capital W. Okay. I swear. Gabby, I swear.

No, I believe. Oh, listen, 100% I believe that this existed, that this has. that this happened. I know you're not lying. I just, I'm wondering if I'm crazy that I think it's so bizarre that this guy didn't try to go farther

and kept it the way or whether some guys are just like that. Because we can't say, oh, he's a nice guy. Like, he's cheating on his wife. He's on Seeking Arrangement.com. So it's not like this is like, you know, I don't know,

some guy that never cheat. I don't know. So it's like very bizarre to me. So what was his reason for saying, let's not like, who was the one that was like, oh, let's not go? move it any further. I mean, you're kind of naked. You're in your whole get-up, right? Like,

it's a little weird. You know what? I think I was the one who was like, you know, like, let's, you know. No, actually, I think he was nervous. And then also, I've never been with a married guy. So I didn't know how if I wanted to go further. And so I guess like, we kind of just like cooled it down, you know, it's like, hey, you know, I don't really know how he left or whatever. But I think I'm the one who pumped a break because obviously if it was up to him I'm sure we would have gone more but I think we both didn't want to cross that line

that's what you say you said a lot of things on another podcast where you just assumed you were like reading the guy's mind but I don't believe you I don't believe that he didn't pump the brakes I think he stopped the brakes as much as you did I think he's another you know kind

of guy that doesn't probably want to have sex okay so anyway so first of Well, where do you tell your guy, your 70-year-old boyfriend at home? Like, where did he think you were going? Or you guys were already broken up at the point, at that point? We talk all the time still. Like, we're not really broken up.

But does he know that you're with another guy and you're in London? He has no idea. Okay. No, he thinks. So would this be cheating? I don't know. We didn't do anything. No, but you know what I mean.

You know what I mean. Yeah. No one's, he's not listening. The truth is, if he found out, would he consider it cheating? Of course. Okay, so you guys are still technically boyfriend and girlfriend,

even though you don't really, you know, you're working yourself out of it. Yeah, kind of, yeah. I mean, he doesn't understand that the minute you find another guy, he's history. Yeah, well, the minute definitely thinks, like, the minute I'm moved on, oh yeah, he's done.

Like, he's not going to talk to me and, like, that's it. So that's why I don't. No, but you're going to, you're never going to let him know until you get another hookup because he's paying your bill. So you can't sort of let him know. So you have to have something in the bag. Like you have to start getting wire transfers into your bank account from the guy in London.

Yeah, that's what needs to happen. Exactly. Before you dump this guy. And that's what you're trying to do, right, on some level? Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I think I misjudged you on my first call. If people listen to it, I did think that you were like not,

maybe you shouldn't go after the booty call thing and you would have, You might be like good at this and this might be okay with you. You know what I mean? So anyway, so, you know, like seriously. So you don't fool around with them, but you guys have a great time, I'm assuming, right? Yeah, we're an amazing time. Okay. You went back to, you know, the States and you guys talk all the time.

Do you guys, like, do you like phone sex or pictures, like dirty pictures? Do you do FaceTime? No, nothing dirty. Of course not. Of course you don't do anything dirty But Kathy you have to remember Literally that at this point now It's only been two weeks

Who cares? You flew all the way out there Long distance relationships have different rules Different rules of the game It's like if you meet a guy Even you live in L.A. or wherever you live in Chicago If you meet a guy and he's on vacation Or you're on vacation and you meet somebody

Like you fuck him right that and there Because it's like you're there for three days That's like your whole like that's it like a time is of the essence. You live here, he lives there. It's different rules, especially because it's seeking arrangement.com.

I mean, so eventually we all know that he's looking for somebody to give him a little companionship, whatever that is. Listen, you'd be very lucky if he wants a little bit of just like emotional companionship, no sex,

and he's going to give you money. You know what I mean? And that's what I'm kind of like, maybe like, that's why I don't want to go step that boundary because it's like, hey, maybe it's fine. And it'll be like long lacking. if it's platonic, you know, and if it's not too, like, if it's not sexual, you know. Well, yeah, that's always your thing.

I mean, we decided that that's your thing. You hold out on sex because you're so afraid that when that gets involved, that, you know, everything goes out the window. So you hold out on sex, like, for summary. And then you eventually, because you have that on some level, you pick these guys that are okay with it. Like I said, you had one boyfriend that was long distance. You didn't screw him for, like, eight months. you have this guy who wasn't having sex with you.

Now we know he was like very depressed and something's going on with him, hardcore. And then now you have this commitment phobe who lives all the way in London who's like half-ass dating a young girl in from far away that he doesn't even fuck. Perfect for you. Yes. I just wish I knew what was going on with them. So what is he? So what do you guys just so you're just like nobody's sort of talking about like the arrangement part of it or as he said like I would like to take. this further, like no sex kind of conversation has come up at all?

No, no sex. Not, well, yes, I met him face-to-face once. Yeah. Twice. Because once that whole day, and then the next day for lunch we met and then I left. And then, so since being back, because I got back Monday. And so, oh, it was such a truck getting back. Oh, my God, I had to go to, like, Iceland and Amsterdam.

Yeah. Yeah, that's fun. Now it's like an adventure. You get the stamp in your passport. I don't know. Yeah. No, but so I, it's been hard to talk because of the time. And now I'm like with my family and he's, you know, he has a wife.

So it's, you can't really just talk whenever. So like I was able to talk to him yesterday. He wants me to come to, he was actually like talking about this when I was out there. Next month he's going to South Africa. And he wants me to come with them. and I mean I was down at first but now I'm just like okay I came up with it that's the thing too like I came with the excuse for London that was fine I was me my friend if I'm just gonna be like blind to see this guy and like I gotta come up with

all these excuses not just to you know my my guy but he's like my family and friends what the hell is going on I'm just like everywhere but with who you know yeah yeah you have to either get a good explanation going or because listen, or find a guy that lives here. Because listen, that's not a bad deal, right? Like, you could go to South. Like, this is like a once-in-a-lifetime kind of chance to do exciting things with somebody that you like, that you know isn't going to rape you or whatever.

He's probably not even going to have sex with you. Is he going for work? What does he do for a living? Yeah, he's a lawyer. Okay. So he's going for work. And how long does he plan on having you fly out for? well we didn't discuss that far um yeah because i'm not like i was working a because i have some time off of work too but

during i don't know if i'm going to be working that like you know it was like a we haven't discussed the dates and stuff right but you don't know you're thinking like maybe you shouldn't go because you wouldn't know what to tell people yeah i guess i'm kind of on the fence about it uh just because it's so random too like South Africa, you know? Like, I don't know. So I'm kind of on the fence. We didn't, we didn't like hardcore

make the plan, so I still have time to think about it. And I do want to go. Like, I really do. But, yeah, I think the only thing holding me back would be the excuse. The excuse, especially with your boyfriend, too. I mean, when do you think, do you, like, if this guy didn't offer you any money,

would you continue to just see him? Or are you looking for, like, some sort of cash arrangement? with him. Yeah. Yeah, I'm looking for the cash. Definitely. I don't know why that's funny for me, because you're so honest, I think it's great. Like, you know, I mean, and that's, and I always say, like, I think people make up their own rules and regulations and then you have your own morals and values and however you want to play it as your deal. And like, you're totally cool with that. And, but you would, I mean, to stay with this guy, you would definitely need some money. And what would you think would be like what what you would need from him or what you would what would be worth it

for you to continue to date him and give up the other guy or maybe not maybe he doesn't care you know because you have he has a wife no he doesn't care he's married that's and that's what's a great scenario for me because it's like first of all you're in a different country you're married like there's not a real commitment i have to oh see you know like and let's like and so i can do my own thing i'm sure he's not going to care you know right so what would mean make it worth like how much cash are you looking to get from this guy? Well, so before I was getting like $6,000. So I would look for something even with that.

But also I don't want to like scare him or him off. Right. I don't know. I'm looking for like $5,000, $6,000. But okay, but I remember you telling me when you updated me that that guy took a little bit away from you, right? Like you were getting $6,000. But when you started to work.

like he cut back. How much are you getting from him now? Yeah. Now like $2,500. So couldn't you just get $3,500 from the guy that was in London? And then you'd be making six, you know, from that guy and that guy. People listening are probably horrified by how I want to. I mean, first of all, I know that people are screaming, women, especially, are screaming at their earphones or how are their cars.

however they're listening to me because we have not really talked about the fact that he's married. And it's only because, listen, I don't believe it's like cheat. Like if I was married to someone, I'd be horrified if they're cheating on me. It's not that I like, but I don't typically judge people for doing things like that because like whatever. Like I don't know. And I've never been, I don't think I've ever been an affair with a married guy. But the shit happens. So I don't need to get into sort of that thing, right?

because you're fine with it and that's that. And that's why I don't touch on that because you don't have an issue with it. If it was an issue with you, like, is it an issue with you? Well, that's the thing. So, I mean, I see it as far as what happened. I see that as we didn't cross any lines, you know? Right. But what you would.

Okay, but let me ask you this. Forget. So that's like some, like, okay, if he said, hey, babe, I'm going to give you five grand a month, right? Oh, yeah. Whatever. He made the arrangement, right? He's still married. But now you're having, would you have sex with him?

Would I have sex with him? Yeah. Would I? If he gave you the arrangement that you were looking for? Yeah. It wouldn't be like, hey, you gave me this money, let's have sex. Like, it would all have to be natural. But, I mean, yeah, I'd definitely be willing to have sex with him.

Right. So you don't care that he's, so it's fine with you that he's married. Like you're saying now it's fine because he's married, but we didn't do anything. But I mean in the future, like, do you have a thing? are you the type of person that cares whether he's married or not? I think I do and I think that's also like what was holding me back at first, like when we were in the room and stuff like that. Like it's obviously it could have gone farther if I would have wanted that to happen.

I don't think so. I don't think it's honestly it could have gone farther. He didn't even grab your tits like really, not really. Yeah, you were touching me and stuff. Did he put them in his mouth? Did he put them in his mouth? I feel I like I like them a little bit Nothing too intense

No I don't think it definitely could have gone further And that you stop it That's all in your head No I think he's up I have complete control of the situation You think? I do I do Okay

I think he was just nervous And so I got I was like okay You know like I know I don't want to you know Make this man cheat And then like make him feel bad You know And like I've never been with a merry man

I don't know You know I don't want to feel bad Like, what if I'm going to feel like a bitch after? Right. So you don't really know. So where you stand right now with the whole married thing is like you don't think it's a problem, but you don't know. Like maybe you would feel weird or something, right? But you're willing to give it a try.

Yeah, we're not. Yeah. And that's why I didn't, it wasn't an issue to talk about. Like some people, maybe I get a call from somebody one day. Like I talk to people with all kinds of problems who is with someone married and that they feel terrible about it. Like you just don't know where life, like, you just don't know where life, like, Yeah. So then I would talk that that would be a thing that I would talk about.

The reason why I wasn't really bringing it up with you is because it seems like it's not, that's not really an issue. I think you have other issues with the situation, but him being married isn't a big one, right? It's not a huge one. Yeah. I think it hasn't gone to that point to, I don't know. Like, because when I was with him and stuff, like, I didn't feel bad.

Right. I mean, you bumped into his. He just thought of hide it. You bumped into. his friends. Yeah. And he even like spoke about her too like because yeah, he was like oh like Boa like he would mention her bring her up the conversation like a few times. So he was like it wasn't a big thing to him.

Right. Mm-hmm. Well, he's not hiding it from you. Yeah. I mean he was straight up honest, which is good, you know, like. Yeah. In this kind of a situation. He's, does he know about your guy?

Does he ask? Yeah, he does. He does. Yeah. Um, like, I don't think he knows that I'm with him now. I wouldn't care if he knew or not. I just, you know, didn't know. But yeah, I definitely told him, like, how I got into the situation and why I'm on

seeking or racist was kind of like because of him. Right. Okay. And he's cool. So where you leave it off with him and the other guy is, like, you're kind of dating the 61-year-old. Does he explain? Does he know what's going on?

Like, is he having, like, um, is he just like a depressed person and he's going through like a bad phase or does he have a real thing going like do you know what his deal is why he's so depressed he doesn't his life is great like I mean of course every like mental illness like I'm not trying to like downgrade that at all like but he has he doesn't have like problems like right it's like the difference between situational depression and chemical depression like he just might be wired that he gets depressed and he's just in that place and even though everything's fine in his life so he has that disease like you said he has some sort of mental disease yeah mental illness this. Of course. Yeah. Does he talk about that with you? Yeah, he's really open. He goes to therapy. He talks to his therapist about me too. And there's one time he like, oh my God, he kind of like turned a situation on me because I guess he was married before.

And he like, he got into a lot of trouble like with the law with his ex-wife. And then he got mad at me one time. I don't know if he was mad. He's like such shit. And I'm like, what the fuck? Like are you caring? yourself and he was like yeah well my therapy said that maybe you trigger my anxiety because you remind me of what I went through with my ex or something he said something along that line I was like yeah and so

like yeah listen that's not your right but that's not your fault people's patterns it's not nobody creates your patterns like you know if you're a part of his pattern it's not you're the problem if you left there'd be somebody else doing the same thing what was the thing that his wife did that he's that he thinks

you're doing? Like what was he implying that you're using him for his money? No, well his wife, his ex-wife she just, he tried to he wanted everything. So he just like did everything his power to I guess provide that and

he did some illegal stuff and he ended up going to jail for it. You mean like he stole or like swindled people to get money for him? he was like I don't know if I should yeah nobody knows who I don't even know who you are let alone him yeah so he was

doing he was working with the Italian mob or something doing money laundering because he had a business back then like he made money on his own but he made more doing that and so he got caught up went to jail and also I guess that's when the anxiety started

and so He's kind of like that's where he doesn't have like PTSD, but it's like, he's like, everything's good. Something wrong should happen now, you know? Everything's too good. Like I should be worrying about something. Right, right, right. But then, so he said that to me. And then I was like, why are you?

Okay, you need to explain what's going on. What are you telling your therapist? Like, do you really think that? And so then he started backtracking. And so he sent these things just to like throw it in my face. Like, and he'll say shit like, like the other day he was like, oh yeah um when it comes january you know you know no more help i'm gonna cut you i was like what are you talking about and he was like yeah you need to be an adult i'm like what the

fuck are you talk about being adult like you before you were like so willing you like yeah like this is this doesn't you know harm me at all like i'm so happy to help you with this like i want and it's not like i'm just laying back and like yes give me money i don't even ask like you just hand it over you know like this was you you wanted to help me and now you're like you're like you're trying to take it back. So it's one thing if I'm a needy bitch buying all these persons shoes, I'm literally just living and I'm trying to get my life together, you know?

So it's like these are all things that are contributing to like me taking steps back from him and being like, no, this is not what I thought it was, you know? Yeah, it sounds like he's taking a step back too. Like he's second guessing himself. He doesn't know where he's at. Like he's blaming you, but it sounds like he's also thinking maybe I shouldn't be giving her money.

You know, and that's his right. Like that's what's hard when you're in a situation that if you're not, you know, right? Like that's the scary thing for you, right? Because he could just cut you off at any time. And another thing is that I always say this on some level, okay? And this is like I say this a lot with like guys who are cheating massively and they have girlfriends and they're like, oh, our wives. And they're like she's fucking crazy. She's always accusing me of anything.

But it's like they are doing things behind that person's back. But that person doesn't know. but they think that person's crazy for assuming things. But it's always like it's like undercurrent stuff. On some level I think we just on we pick up on things that are going on subconsciously. I think the fact that you're like, listen, he's not, you're not treating him well and you're totally monogamous and you're totally 100% on board with him and he's cutting you off. You are taking a lot of your attention into another direction and you are like abandoning.

You're leaving him. And on some level, I believe he senses that. And that's why he's saying, oh, I'm going to take your money. Even though he doesn't know for sure, like on some level, he's picking up on that. You guys are sort of splitting up. Well, it started when I started working. And, like, he was happy that I got a job. But then he was like, well, we don't spend no much time together, but, like, complaining about that.

Yeah, I'm fucking working. And then when I try to see you, you know, like, he's like not even getting out of bed. So I know. But this is the deal. This is the deal seekingarrangement.com, girl, okay? This is what arrangements are all about. Do you understand? Like, if you want a real relationship, right,

with somebody that's going to give you all the attention and always be out and give you that life, like that's going to be a real relationship. And most of the time, people don't give people money to do things like that for it. Okay? People give money and people have seeking, or on seeking arrangement.com,

because probably what they're offering a woman isn't that great, okay? If it was so great, they'd be marrying the person and it wouldn't be an arrangement. Do you know what I mean? Nobody would be exchanging. It wouldn't be that kind of a deal. You have to understand what you're doing and remember what you're doing and react accordingly. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

You say in one sense that you want to use this guy for money or you want to have a sugar daddy, but then you're sort of treating him as if he's your boyfriend. or like having the expectations of that. So, and then he's going to want to have those expectations too. So if you just want to purely, like if this guy, you still want money from him, then you have to stop asking him to get out of bed. You have to drive an hour away and not watch, do whatever he wants to fucking do. Okay?

That's it. That's what you should do. No, but listen, but that's where, that's where this relationship got really confusing because it didn't start out as I didn't find this guy on my first guy. I know, I know. But like, listen, we all,

I think on some level he's 61 years old. What does he think of 23-year-old's doing with him? You know, he was paying you to keep you around, okay? Hoping that that would be the reason because he couldn't offer you what you would want at 23. He just can't offer you. But I like him.

I know, but if you really, but why you're flying out, you're on Seeking and Ranger, You don't really like him anymore. Anymore, yeah. You like what he was... I have love for him. I have love for him.

I believe you. You like him as a person. He's too old for you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yes. And that's where, you know, it's like... And that's the thing, like,

I'd rather be in an arrangement than something like that, you know? Because, like, at least you know what it is and what you're getting. Right. But it's like, this is a whole bunch of gray area. And it's like, exactly. Right, right. You're right. Yes, exactly.

So now it's like if you really want to keep that relationship going, look at it like an arrangement for right now. If you don't want him to cut you off in January, okay, because now it is feeling like an arrangement to him because he's sensing you're not being happy and he's worried you're going to abandon him. So he's going to be, you know,

all that kind of insecurities happening in your relationship. You know, start treating it like an arrangement. If you don't want to be, you know, cut out of the will or whatever, you know. that's what I would do if I were you out. That's a no, probably not. So like I said, just deal with his stuff and be kind to him and give him security

or whatever he wants, you know, while you do this other thing. Or, you know, you might get cut off by him, but you'll eventually find somebody else. If I were you, I don't know that that London guy is going to give you six grand for a long-distance relationship. Lawyers don't make that kind of money.

What? We can start high and then negotiate. Yeah, well, when are you going to negotiate? How does that happen? When do you think it's going to happen? I don't know if I'm like, okay, I want $6,000. I wish you would have negotiated today so we could have gotten like the report on that. I want to know how that conversation goes.

Can you FaceTime him right now? Let's see, right? No, he doesn't even have to know. I want to see you ask for the money and see what he sort of says, you know. and what he offers. I don't know that you're going to get. I don't think you're going to get anything close to six grand, but maybe. So I suggest to you if you're really.

Women on there get him 10,000. Yeah, but I'm sure they're fucking the guy and he's, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. He's a lawyer. He flew you coach. I bet you he doesn't have that much money. I don't know that he has that. No, he actually is like a partner in his firm or something like that.

Okay, but still. I mean, you know, anyway, I think like the money that you, like to just send somebody that you're not even having sex with that you barely see six grand a month, I think you have to have, you know, more than a partner in a law firm would have. That's just what I think. But maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. And I think the euro, the exchange rate, maybe he could send you $3,000 and wines up $6,000. I don't know. But I think you should look for it.

My point is I think you should maybe look for somebody here. where you could have an arrangement where you make more money because maybe there's a little bit more involved in it. I don't know. It's getting complicated, which I like because it's an interesting story. And I met this other guy. He's like super into me. We went on one day and he like at first I was asking so like, you have kids, like what's going on? He's like, didn't tell me.

And we went out and like he was cool. Like we really quick. Like he's funny. I can see him as like someone I would like hang out with. You know, he has like a cool boy now. Why did I find out he has like four kids with like four different baby mamas? Like, and then he's like and he's like, yeah, like I'd love to take care of you. I'm like, I don't even think that's like humanly possible.

You take care of these kids, all their like these women and what you want to know, it's not going to work out. But he was from Seekingarrangement.com too? Yeah. most guys on there are going to have other people I'm telling you yeah but I mean that's just ridiculous

well did he have a lot of cash did he say he had some to spend you should like not not what I was searching for why what did he offer you it was like well no and I asked him because I was like really up front one time

because I speak thought I found dancing arrangement and he's like I really like you like I love to start you know like a relationship you know I can see you like being my woman. I'm like, wait, hold on,

you know, I don't really know you. Like, what can you offer me? What is this? You know? So I asked him, like, before I went to Europe,

I was like, before I went to Europe, I'm like, hey, can I have some cash? He was like, oh, how much? I was like, I mean,

maybe like 2000, like, not that much. And he was like, oh, I can't do that. Like, I was like,

well, what can you do? He's like, 300. Did you take it? Did you take it? Hell yeah. And I'm like,

what the fuck are you doing on this speaking arrangements if you like only have $300 you can give me right now like that's bullshit I told him that too and what did he say? I told him like he's like he's just like oh my gosh shut up you're so cute yeah listen some girl might some girl would take some girl would be like okay 300 I'll take it you know listen everyone has different sort of uh you know because you went in having like a guy that's giving you 6,000 and he was giving you a lot of other things that you you know you have

a higher bar and higher expectations. Whereas, you know, that guy could probably find somebody that he throws $300 every now and then. You don't know, you know. But yeah, you have to weed them out like that. I would ask them up front, like, really quickly what they're going to offer you. I wonder what the London guy is. But, you know, he also is offering you travel to exotic places.

Yeah, yeah. You have to take that into consideration. He might be a good part-time guy. You know what I mean? Part-time. You might get another guy and then, you know, and that, And then somehow if I were you, I'd stay friends with your 61 year old and, you know, be kind to him, maybe more honest to him that maybe you guys can't be together and figured, I don't know.

I don't know what you do with that one. But you're going to do whatever you want because you're young and that's when life is supposed to be totally whatever it is. And, you know, and that's what you do. And that's what you're doing. And that's what's interesting to me. so I can't wait for the next update. I know it's not going to be a sexual update. We're never getting good sex.

I normally don't even care about them. I know. I normally don't even care about that. But it's so interesting that you don't have any of those, yet you have all these guys. You know, and it's that typical younger woman, older guy thing, and everyone would always think that's all about sex.

But look, it's like really not, you know. And that's what's so interesting to me is that, you know, people just assume things if they saw it on paper, but this is the kind of stuff that really goes on. Sometimes people are seeking arrangements that don't have any sex involved because people have weirdo sex issues or who knows what's going on, you know, but everybody's getting their needs met in one way or another, you know, and whether that's right or wrong to anybody else doesn't really matter because it's where you're at, right? It's serving a purpose for you. For them, you're all learning lessons and figuring shit out.

you know, it's not even the end of the year. We have like 10 more days. I feel like you could have, I would hope, I hope, because I don't know when I'm going to air this. I hope you have the talk with the guy about the money soon before I air. Yeah, no, I need you soon. You do it?

And then email me what you got, what you came up with so that I know. I have a feeling it's not going to be that much, but I love being wrong, you know. So let's see. Yeah. I'll start. I'll start maybe at 5,000

see what we can do. Okay. All right. Keep me posted. Thank you so much for the update. And good luck with everything. I want to know if you go to South Africa, too. I think you should go.

Okay. Okay. Well, we'll think of an excuse for me. Okay. I'll help you. You can email me. Okay. All right.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

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