Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1591 - Victor Went from Cheating in His Sexless Marriage to Swinging with His New Girlfriend

Episode Date: September 16, 2026

Victor went from cheating in his sexless marriage to swinging with his girlfriend and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how and why sex and affection disappeared from his marriage, the first time he cheated and who he cheated with, how he became addicted to transactional sex, how he started taking photos of the women he was seeing in exchange for threesomes, how he pretended to be an escort’s cuck partner for one of her clients and what he was asked to do, how he became a mentor to new workers at a brothel and how that arrangement was set up, when and why he finally left his wife, the first woman he dated afterward and why he eventually cheated on her too, how he met his current girlfriend and the bold way she let him know she wanted him, how they wound up at a swingers club early in their relationship, the boundaries they had going in and what wound up actually happening  their first few visits, how hearing stories about his new girlfriend’s promiscuous past led him to start fantasizing about watching her with another guy, the first time she hooked up with a guy in front of him and how they both reacted, how they admitted that they had both cheated on previous partners, why they now love watching each other with other people, how and why they created a “hookup card” to pass out to people they meet, what he loves about watching her work a glory hole, what she wants to see him do with another guy and why he hasn’t done it yet, the stranger he secretly arranged to hook up with her and exactly what went down plus a whole lot more. 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Don't you wish you could just hit skip on the worst parts of your life? You know the same way you can skip an ad? I get it. I'm Siaia and I live in Ice Cove. I've made some questionable decisions that didn't end up the way I planned. And today I'm still figuring it out. Somehow things usually get worse before they get better. Apparently, that's how I roll.

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click on the link that's 37712. or just go to the description and click on the link. Okay, today I have on Victor. By the time you get to the third woman he hooks up with, named Elizabeth, you're going to be like dying for Elizabeth to call in. Hopefully she's going to call in. I just taped with him.

I always do my intros right after I hang up. But he is going to ask her to call in. Hopefully we'll get Elizabeth's story. But his story is fascinating because he had a wife. He married young. It went sexless pretty fast. He was like early tweets. He was like in his 20s when he's having like no sexes.

One thing when you're in your like 50s and 60s and you're sexless, but he was like sexless in his 20s. So he took matters into his own hand and he cheated on his first wife with sex workers. He lives in Europe where it is legal. And he kind of got addicted to it. He didn't just meet them for sex. He liked the companionship too. He was definitely lacking a lot in his relationship with his marriage.

He talks about that. She never found out, but he did wind up leaving her for somebody that he met at work. He was with that girl for a few years and then cheated on her too because sex went out the window with her. But let me tell you, with Victor, third time's the charm, okay? And you're going to know that third time was the charm when you find out exactly how he met Elizabeth. The way it happened, you're going to be like, oh, yeah, this was going to be the right one. You got to hear the story of how he met Elizabeth. She worked for him.

I'll tell you that. They wound up in bed together eventually. And then they wound up in the lifestyle and that whole story of how they got into it and what went down their first time they went to a swingers club. And then they're like heavily into it. And she loves screwing tons of guys and he loves hearing stories about it and watching her. And they have glory hole stories and for some stories and you name it. They've been at it. Like I said, you're going to want to hear from her for sure because he talks about how she also had a cheating pass and can never sort of find.

somebody that was like equal to her when it came to the bedroom. But they're very much the perfect pair. He finally met his match and he couldn't be happier. It's a story with a happy ending. So you're going to love it. I have pictures of them over on my Patreon. You can see them over there. Hopefully, like I said, we'll get Elizabeth on. But if not, his story is killer on its own. Anyway, so anyway, I'm going to get right to be right back on with Victor. This is the strictly anonymous podcast. Strictly Anonymous podcast. Hi, Victor.

Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you today? I'm good. Thanks for having me. So, Victor, you have a whole story that has a happy ending, right? I mean, that's what it sounds like to me. I mean, basically, I'm going to give the short story, which is you were like doing a lot of sex workers and stuff like that. Now, I don't know if you were doing that behind someone's back and cheating with them.

I don't know, but doing that. And you live like in Europe where it's legal, right? So we're not talking about anything that's not legal. You were doing that for a while. It led to something, I don't know what this means. You're going to have to explain it. And the less I know the better anyway, that led to you doing photography and mentoring. And I'm wondering if that's with the sex workers, I don't know.

And then eventually you met a woman and you decided to come clean and talk about your past. And now you guys are maybe in the lifestyle. I don't know. But that's the short story. Are you with, you're obviously with Elizabeth now, correct? Correct, yes. Okay, how long have you guys been together? About three years.

Okay, cool. Now, were you married to anybody when all this other stuff was going down? So I have been previously married. I was married for seven years and then left the marriage for someone else. And then that went for about another four and a half years and then met Elizabeth. Okay, but you didn't answer my question. Is that a yes? I was married while I was seeing the sex workers?

Yes. Okay. Okay. And you, like most guys, left your wife for another woman. Most guys, I want to meet the guy that left their wife without another woman in the background, taking them in to do their laundry for them. No guy leaves alone. They stay miserable until they find another woman and then they leave.

Women leave men for nobody, but you did. Okay, so let's go to that first marriage. Is that you started cheating on her with sex workers? Is that like the story? Is that the sentence we would start with? Pretty much. Everything was, you know, good as it always is in the start of a relationship. I was actually a big advocate for starting couples counseling before there was issues.

I think it's just something that it's good for couples to do. Yeah, proactively, right? Why not? Maybe all couples should do that, right, don't you think? Yeah, absolutely. I'm a big fan. But she was very much against it. and her family frowned upon saying any kind of psychologist or counselor or anything like that.

Oh my God. Did she ever hear of, don't tell your fucking parents everything that you do? I mean, like, who cares what her, her mommy and daddy thought she's a grown woman married? You know what I mean? Like, who cares? That's stupid. Go on. So, anyway, things go on.

We're together in total for about 10 years and would have been about halfway through and just everything just kind of switched off in the bedroom and even. for just day-to-day affection towards each other. Things started switching off, and I pushed more and more to go to counselling, and then my 29th birthday, I went, I'm going to go source something myself. And so my very first time was at a massage parlour. I justified it in my head that I was paying for it. It wasn't someone that I knew it was transactional.

And it kind of just started something that I wasn't getting at home, and that turned into a little bit of an obsession. And it was just from there, it was just constantly trying to find what I would describe as, I suppose, my next fix. Let me ask you a question. How did you feel, you know, the first time you did it? Did you feel guilty? Did you feel bad?

Or did you just still feel justified? No, I always felt guilty, especially to start with. I think as time went on, I probably felt less guilty about it. There was always that initial guilt walking in. And then as soon as I was inside a session or inside meeting with somebody, it would kind of just go away for that moment that I was there. And I was able to, I suppose, enjoy that moment at being with somebody. Yeah, because when you're horny, it's like being drunk.

You're not in your right mind. But then there's post-knock clarity. Is that when you would feel guilty again? Is that the ride you would take? Yeah, sometimes. I think afterwards it was. was very much a thing of I was on a bit of a high afterwards. So it would take me quite a while to come back down from that. And for me, it was very much a thing of trying to, I would repeat,

go back to the same people to find that intimacy and that closeness. It wasn't just about sex. Because men cheat for the same reasons women do. A lot of people think men just cheat because they need sex and they're so horny and it's like so this thing that, you know, women never do and women just cheat for emotional reasons. Men are most of the time cheating for those same things. They lack that real intimacy that's more than just sex. And you can get that from these other women. And that's what you were looking for.

Yeah, absolutely. And that's why you kept going back. You used the word addicted. Like, I got addicted to it. Like, what does that mean? Like, you just couldn't, you couldn't, like, what does that mean to you? Like, why use that word? I was just constantly searching for the next time that I was able to be free.

or whether it was finding the money or whether it was, there's a, I don't know if you know about it, it's something called Punter Planet. No, I've never heard of it. What is it called? Hunter Planet. Punter Planet. Punter Planet. Puntor.

Okay. And it's pretty much a review site for escorts. Okay. So it's very big here. And it's used to especially kind of weed out escorts that would give really poor service or rip people off or whatever the case may be. And if people write really bad reviews about them doing things like that, then they wouldn't get future business, I suppose.

Yeah, it's like Yelp. They have it for everything, including escorts. I've heard of that before, for sure. And it's smart, you know what I mean? And I've heard that they also rate you, by the way. In America, they also rate the guys. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, they let other people know how that person is.

I don't know if that's on that site or where you are. So let me ask you this. So you're seeing all these women. And how are you keeping all this shit like on the DL? Like just through what I was doing from work. I was on the road a lot. Okay. So I was able to have large amounts of time where kind of no one would be like,

hey, where are you? Yeah. But like did your wife notice like a little pep in your step or something different going on? Did she have any kind of feeling about like something changed? Because I would imagine, you know, going from like a. sexless marriage where you're very unhappy and you're that, you know, constantly getting high off of these encounters, you might have had a different vibe about you. I don't think anything was a noticed.

No, probably I've always thought that our marriage actually improved when this started happening. Exactly. That's what I mean. If she would have noticed, she would have realized it was improving because you were fucking other women. Yeah. That's what I mean. But no, I don't, I don't think she ever put two and two together.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would have, but yeah, I get it. Okay. So, but there was something different, right? And it did actually help your relationship because you were happier, right? Yeah, 100%. Yeah, that's what I mean. I think the relationship would have broken down a lot earlier if it wasn't for that.

Yeah, isn't that crazy? But that's probably true for a lot of people, met both men and women who are getting their needs met someplace else. Yeah. Because you'd be served and you'd be forced to leave, you know. Did you ever get caught? No. No? So, no, never, never did.

Did you eventually start seeing other people besides escorts? No. So only ever escorts. Okay. There was a couple of escorts that's how I got to the photography side of things. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You want to get to that too, because I don't know what that even means. So I had been seeing.

particular escort and she was working in a brothel over here and she was looking to go out on her own and do one-on-one outside a brothel and and so she needed photos done and so she asked me whether I would do a photo shoot of her and her girlfriend and they're pretty much the payment was having both of them at the same time and so there were I did a couple of photo shoots for the both of them over the years just as they wanted to update their photos and improve their ads and whatever they did with them. So that was one area that, yeah, again, I would go overnight and do photos. And, yeah, it was, it was pretty crazy. Hey, guys, unfortunately, the truth is, great sex doesn't just happen automatically all the time, okay?

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Yes, 100%. I mean, you know, the girls are super hot. You're having threesomes. They're hooking up right in front of you, right? Like, what else did you wind up experiencing that you probably would have never experienced at home? One of the escorts had another client who wanted to have sex with her in front of her partner, but she didn't actually have a partner. So she asked me if I'd come into the session and pretend to be her partner.

Uh-huh. Interesting. And so that was my first ever experience in a male, male, female kind of scenario. Yeah, that was a big eye opener. But yeah, so she asked me to come in and pretend to be her partner. And he walked in and asked me to go sit in the corner and watch. And then at one point, come over and lick her out while he was fucking her. Oh, my God.

How was it for you? I was in a bit of shocked, tell you the truth. I'll sound shocked. Yeah. I was just happy to go along for the ride. Like, it was an experience. And I was all for anything that was coming my way at that point. Yeah.

interesting. Oh my God. But did you like it? Yeah, absolutely. You did say, and I think the truth is, because I'm an addict, right? And whether you're, you know, addicted to like, you pay in for women or drinking, whatever it is, when you get addicted to anything, you know, you kind of always need more, right? Did you feel that going, you know, because it's like you get that high right from that experience. And then you're doing the same thing. And then maybe you don't get as much of a high. So you need to kind of push it. Like how far did you push your stuff that you were doing to get it to keep that feeling going? I know at one point I was gambling in the hope to get money to be able to go and do it because I didn't have enough money to keep up with what I was doing as well as keeping the finances hidden from.

Right, right. You needed extra cash that she didn't know about. Yeah. Yeah, right. Okay. That probably added to it. right? Because it's another secret. Yep. And then I had, it was almost lucky, I suppose, that I had hobbies that were expensive

hobbies that I just cut back on. Oh, smart. Yeah. So, and I'd use funnel some of that money into feeding my other wants and needs at the time. How many girls do you think you saw during that time? We'll get to the mentoring part of things too, but during that time while you were seeing that before you got to foot photography and mentoring. How many women do you think you saw?

And how many years did it go on in your marriage? I went on for probably the last three or four years of the marriage. And there would have been easily 50 to 100, maybe more. Right. Right. Okay. So what's the mentoring side of things with these women? Or that was like he became friends with them and it was like they're just like,

They're therapist. I don't get it. So it actually started. I went on a holiday somewhere and went to a brothel and met the owner as I was going in. And she kind of does a bit of a screen on you and just make sure that you understand what the rules are and et cetera, et cetera. So anyway, I go in and I had a chat with her and had my session and said to her afterwards, you know, It was honestly one of the best experiences that I'd had up until that point. And that was pretty much all there was to it. And she goes, you know, thanks for the feedback. And as it turns out, her business was moving to the same city as mine.

And she just threw out a text message and said, hey, just letting you know that person that you saw last time, a girl that you saw last time, she's going to be coming down to where you live. And so, like, awesome. I'll organize and I'll book in. So anyway, she didn't end up coming down, but I did end up booking with other girls that she had. And I would say I'm most definitely not an alpha type. So I'm not, what's the word I'm looking for? You're not like a take charge kind of guy or like you're, I don't know. No, I'm like I'm not intimidating.

Okay. Oh, right. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, she said, I went in there one day and she goes, oh, look, I've got this new girl. And it's a very first day. she hasn't seen anybody yet and she goes you know just on the house oh do you want to go spend an

hour with her but i want you to you know just help guide her give her some confidence yada yada yada went into the session and then there was just you know it was pretty normal and i just guided her as to what i know it usually happens in the sessions with with the other girls and things that they you know i was honest with her and said you know she went to i can't remember what is she went to do but she went to do something and I'm like just probably what you don't leave yourself vulnerable in that position or whatever it is and anyway that turned into you know get phone calls every week or two from the from the owner say hey I've got someone new come down oh wow so you turn into whenever she had new girls starting and you would be like what you would get out of it is the hookup with the

woman mm-hmm yeah wow so that probably really helped you you because you didn't have to find the finances, right? That was free. Correct. Yeah. Oh my God. So interesting. So yeah, that was, yeah, it was, it was, it was strange. Like, it was a bit, a bit surreal. But let me ask you this. I would assume, you know, that kind of talking and would add to that intimacy that you were looking for on top of the sex, no? Did it make it, right? Did you make your, did it make it, did it make it, did it make it that you felt like a little bit closer to those women? So it was like, you know, giving you the two things that you were looking for, that companionship as well as the Sacks? Yeah, 100%. So there was also women that I met along the way that were like international,

whether they were students or they were traveling or whatever. And they would be like, oh, where do you recommend going to see? I'm like, I can take you. And so then we'd meet up afterwards and be like a tour guide for around town and show them around. And because they often and didn't have cars themselves. So there was quite a few women that I was able to do that for to. Okay. Who's the woman that you wind up meeting? As in that I'm with now.

No, you said you left your wife or a woman at some point. She was someone that I met through work. Okay, so while this is all going down, you have a workmate that you are talking to? Yep, just talking to. Okay. And I, yeah, at this point, I had, I was already putting wheels in motion for leaving my wife before anything had actually happened. What were you doing? What does that mean? I had already, like, engaged a lawyer and started working out what would happen, like, what actually goes down with a separation, with houses and all that kind of stuff.

Right. And your wife had zero clue. though, because you're not talking about leaving at this point with your wife. She thinks everything's fine? No, yeah. So I've spent the last couple of years, again, just trying to push for counseling and whatnot. And she was like, no, no, no. I'm like, all right, well, if you don't want to work on it, then in my mind at that point, I was like, well, I'm... Listen, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just wondering if, you know, if she was sitting there thinking that everything's fine in the relationship, because you were getting your needs

elsewhere, but yet you were like planning on leaving, or was it so obvious in your household at this time that you guys were like headed for an ending? I think she knew something was coming in that she knew that I wasn't happy in the relationship. Because I would assume you stopped voicing it because she stopped doing anything about it. So you stop voicing it, right? And you're just going and getting your needs met living this whole separate life. She's thinking everything's fine because she has no clothes. she doesn't notice anything that's happening.

She never catches you fucking other people. So she's thinking that you're okay with this subpar relationship, right? Because she's obviously, I mean, maybe she was cheating on you too. Who knows? You know what I mean? Are you having sex with her all this time, like throughout this cheating? Very rarely. Right.

And you use protection with all these women to make sure you were always safe? Yep. And health checks as well. Yeah. it's interesting to me that these women would you know or with men and when you say very rarely like what is very rarely to a married couple is that once a month is that once a week once every once every two or three months wow and so she just thinks like you're just fine with once every three months is going to be okay for the rest of your guy's life like i don't understand if she was i always say this but like if she was my friend i'd be like you need to fucking fuck your husband more you know what i mean like What do you, most guys, because you're young at this time, right? I mean, you are young. You're like, right?

Yeah, in my 20s. Yeah, you're in your 20s. Oh my God, you have so much jizz that you have to get out. You can't be fucking once every three months. Do you mean? It's like poison in your body. You need to release it. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know what she was thinking. I'm very extensive porn collection. I mean, I don't know. Like, that's what I mean, like you going and setting it up. I'm not to, I'm just asking you questions, but by no means, am I judging you were saying that was wrong to do. You know what I mean? I just, I'm just wondering where her head is at, right? Like, you're like sort of doing what you're doing. I'm wondering, is she just like living in denial in this relationship and thinking that everything's okay? I think there was a lot of denial

there and just not saying it. Yeah, right. She'd rather not talk about it. I mean, that's the same kind of person that would not want to go to counseling. That doesn't believe in it. That doesn't want to tend to the issues, get ahead of them and just sweep it under the rug and think it's going to be fine. So you were like, you know, looking for, you're preparing for your out. You know it's coming. Did you guys have kids? No. Oh, okay.

That helps, right? Yeah. Thank God. Did she ever want kids? No. No. So she never wanted kids. I never want a kids.

Yeah. That would have been way harder. So many people stay because of the kids. You know what I mean? So that really clears things up. Okay. So you're friends with that girl at work. You haven't fooled around with her yet, though, right?

while you're looking for your lawyer like while you're sort of setting up for your exit? No, I hadn't. Okay. What was her story? Was she single? Yep, she was single. Would you talk to her about your marital problems? No.

Okay. No, it just kind of, we, it ended up being that we eventually went on a camping trip. And, um, how do you wind up on a camping trip for work or just you and her alone? Like, how does it work for? buddy who's just your friend that doesn't know anything's going on at home bad and knows you're married how do you guys wind up on a camping trip together i just asked her i said do you want to do do you want to go on a camping trip and she said you say what about your fucking life not didn't didn't ask questions did she know you were married yes and you never explained to her that i'm like

in a sexless horrible marriage and i'm looking to leave never you said that to her she thinks you're just like some regular married guy and she's like, I'll go camping with you? That doesn't make sense. So maybe I did talk about it. I can't remember talking about it. Of course. You guys were friends. I mean, that's typically how it starts.

You know what I mean? You start bitching about your shit at home. She knows that there's like an inn. You know what I mean? There's no way she's going on a camping trip with a guy she thinks is happily married. Yeah. So we went on a trip and, yeah, it actually like the second last night of the trip. And yeah, just nothing happened except for a kiss.

And I think that just motivated me more to put a full stop. Of course. So how long after that, you didn't bang on the camping trip? No, no. Where did you tell your wife you were going that weekend? Work? No, I would sometimes just, like, for photography stuff, go away for days at a time. And she thought you were doing photography, like, legit photography stuff?

Yep. Oh, okay. So, yeah, came back and that week had the conversation with my wife and said, you know, I think we should go our own ways. And that's the day of the night that we discussed that was the last night that I've actually ever saw her, never saw her again after that. And then it was probably about three months later, three, four, four months later that the girl did get at work, that she and I ended up getting together. So, and that move. proved incredibly fast. Okay, listen, if you're having trouble relaxing at the end of the day or shutting your brain

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Stream a new episode of North of North Tuesdays on CBC Gem. like I had money from the house and stuff and she had some money but between the two of us we only have enough money to buy like a little apartment or townhouse or something somewhere so we decided to put our money together and buy a full-sized family home kind of deal and just went oh well let's go for it if it doesn't work out then we'll just sell it and split the money and go our own ways so we did that so we ended up buying a couple of houses and but did you go do we're still seeing the escorts when you were with her or did that all stop? It stopped for the first two years and then it was a very similar kind of situation.

Kind of just it fizzled out and I kind of fell back into it again. The minute it started fizzling out. It's because you have that in your back pocket. You know what I mean? Yeah. And you're less likely to. Yeah, of course. I mean, why did it fizzle out?

Why is it fizzle out with you and all these? women. Why? I mean, you weren't even married with her for that long. You didn't have a kid or anything, right? No, no, no kids. So we were together for about two years when it, it was like a light switch. I can't put my finger on it. It was just like one day it was there and the next day it was gone. Sex? Yeah. And then, and then it all came to her head when she had something, she had a co-worker hit on her quite forcefully and she came home and told me about it. And at this time, I was at the point where I was pretty much begging for attention. And then she came home and said that this happened and she actually turned out.

She goes, oh, I actually liked it. I'm like, hang on, I'm here. And you're saying that you're, you know, welcoming advances from other guys. I'm like, no. But why was she? Did you ask why? she was, like, did she say because you weren't giving her enough attention or something? Because why else would she say that to you? I don't know. She couldn't tell me why. She was just,

she enjoyed getting the attention. As a woman, I'm just going to tell you, typically you're going to throw that in a guy's face because you want, like, you're trying to get him back. Like, that's like a revenge thing because you're not paying attention to her. No girl's going to throw that in your face unless she's like not happy with something. you know what I mean? Because that's not nice, right? But that's like a tactic. Obviously, she felt like you were not paying her any intention because no offense, you're like already at this point out sleeping with other people again, right? Like that's what you do. So you go get your needs met so you don't have to push for it at home. So two years, because you said it started at two years

and you stayed with her four years. So for two years, you're going and getting your needs met. so you're not probably looking to her to get them. So you probably was, you know, didn't push for anything. And she probably got resentful. Not to say she's not a fault. You know what I mean? But, you know. I never thought of it that way, though.

Yeah. I mean, no girl comes home and tells you that unless they want attention. She's trying to tell you something. Listen, and that's not a smart way to do it. You know what I mean? I would have done that when I was in my 20s. I wouldn't do that now. It's not the right way to go about things.

She probably had many, plenty of time to say, what the fuck is going on here. It doesn't sound like maybe you guys were communicating. And that's like I said. And I've talked to many people who live a completely separate life. And like I said, not to say that it's not like justified because it is or whatever. But like when you are getting your needs met someone or somewhere else,

you're less likely to tend to the problems at hand at home, right? Because you're getting them solve someplace else. So what happened? So that ended up fizzling out as well. So he went, yep, all right. And this, and initially it was quite amicable in that we went, all right, we're going to go different ways. And we stayed living in the same place while we were sorting everything out.

And then that didn't go well for very long. And then I met Elizabeth. Now that girl, though, by the way, she never caught you cheating, correct? Correct. Okay. Keep going. You're obviously good at hiding all your shit. Apparently.

Go on. So yes. Met Elizabeth. and again, through work, I was, I was her boss for a little bit. Mm-hmm. With the age difference. How old are you at this point and how old is Elizabeth? There's about 11 years difference.

Okay. She'd recently gotten out of a, out of a marriage probably six months earlier. Uh-huh. And initially it was just we were, we were just having a lot of sex. And I turned around to her early on. I think it was actually after the first time we slept together. Yeah. And I'm like, and I'm like, don't fall in love with me.

And she like hard scoffed at me like, ha, as if. And so I very constantly remind her of that now. It went because when I was her boss, everything was fine. Like I was always very careful with working with people that I wouldn't, wouldn't cross that line. And we're at a work thing on a weekend. It was like a farewell to someone who had resigned. And I said to her that night, I said, I'm resigning on Monday because I'd gotten another job.

And she leaned in and she goes, you know it'd fuck you, don't you? Oh, my God. You must have got a boner right away. Absolutely. Yeah. Anyway, we were going at it for a bit and there was like nothing really much happening outside the bedroom. It was just lots and lots of having sex. And then we said, oh, we should actually go out one night.

So I jokingly said, do you want to go to a swingers club? And she just smiled and went, yeah, okay. So we talked about boundaries. We talked about, you know, what are we okay with doing? What are we not? So we talked about, are we going to, are we going to be okay with having sex with other people? Are we going to, is blow jobs okay? Is kissing okay?

Yeah. So we spoke about all these kinds of things. And we went through between us as many scenarios as we could possibly think of Yeah. What wasn't okay? So no kissing the opposite sex. And initially it was just, so other than the no kissing opposite sex, it was just that first time was we just wanted to keep to ourselves. Okay. Interesting. So we're okay having sex in front of other people and all of that kind of stuff.

But we just wanted to keep to ourselves for that first time. So the first time went and we live a really, really long way away from where the closest one of these clubs are. And so we had a good drive home to be able to kind of unpack everything and discuss and what we liked and what we didn't like. And did you see that? And no, what, you know. And so it was a lot of talking to each other afterwards, followed by more sex when we got home because we were turned on from talking about everything that we'd seen. Right. I always say that that's kind of like a great.

great thing to do for couples, you know, even if you never plan on doing anything more. I'm assuming you guys eventually do. But like, even just doing something like that and staying completely monogamous, right, just could add so much, right? Look how horny you were afterwards. And you didn't even do anything. Yeah. Right? Yeah. It was so good. And to even, even just to be able to have, have her on her knees while I'm in a room full of people who were fucking and doing everything else, it was, yeah, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it amazing. Yeah. Okay. So that that pretty much carried the same kind of deal for the first, I think three times we went. We didn't play with any other couples. But I had definitely,

and it's something I'd never imagined that I would have been okay with, but the idea kept rolling through my head about seeing her, seeing Elizabeth being fucked by another guy. And by this time, there were definitely feels like it was more than just, we weren't just having sex. There was, you know, a lot more to it. And we'd discussed a lot about what that would look like. And now, it sounds funny to talk about it now, considering where we've gone to since then. But initially, we said, we're not going, I didn't want Elizabeth to be able to see the guy, and I didn't want the guy to be able to see her as such.

I wanted them to be able to walk past each other in the street and not know that they'd fucked each other. And so the very first time, we were in a room and, Elizabeth was on her hands and knees with me sitting against a wall and she was blowing me and a guy came in behind and said can I and kind of gestured towards, gesture towards Elizabeth if he could start playing with her and I pulled her chin up to look at me and I'm like, are you sure? And she's like, yep. And then she went back down to blowing me and I said to the guy, here's the deal. You don't look at her. She isn't looking at you.

Grab a condom. Grab a condom. And he goes, yeah, I'm good with that. Okay. Yeah, right on. So, and that's how, and from memory, he just happened to be huge. And so I straight away knew that she was, she was feeling it because she's not someone who's quiet. And, but the whole, probably the first two or three minutes, she didn't look up at me. She was too scared of what she'd see. She was worried that she'd look up at me and that I'd be mortified and having that instant regret. Yeah, of course.

But I wasn't. She said, I noticed how hard you got. Notice how hard you got as soon as the guy started talking about me. Wait, was that surprising to even you? Yes. Yeah, I didn't, neither of us knew how that was going to go down. Yeah, interesting. So, and which is why we did the whole, we didn't want them to have a conversation.

We didn't, we just wanted to, the actual act of sex, can we handle that? Yeah. And then, take it from that. And then literally five minutes after the first guy, and now there was a line of guys out the door. And the next guy came through and he's like, can I? I'm like, do you want to go again? She's like, yeah, right.

So straight away had two guys within 10 minutes. And, and then she was like, okay, I've had enough now. Let's go find a room on our room together. So we went and found a room on our own together. Can you believe? I can't believe. You found the perfect girl for you. I mean, she's almost having a gang bang now first time.

It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. And in amongst this, like when we're just having sex ourselves, there was definitely times where, like, she'd been with a lot of guys in the past, and she's got some pretty good stories and worked in the sex industry as well in the past.

like a long time ago, but it was, she was the first person that I'd ever told anything about my other life. So I think that helped to really open, open up conversation lines and where we would often have sex and she'd tell me about her past exploits. And that's what got me thinking about her having sex with other people, because whenever she would tell me about a story from her past, about how she'd hooked up with someone, I would blow my load in three minutes. And so that, and even now sometimes I'll be like, have you got any stories I haven't heard? And then she's like, no, I'm running out. Yeah, what a good way to test out whether that is something that you'd be into, right?

Because a lot of times it does start with that, right? And that's like good foreplay before you sort of cross the line. You knew because this happened before she was with the guys, right? In real life. She was telling you the story. Yeah, but before we were in the swinging scene, all her stories happened. But she, you know, like she did with me, she would often go up to guys in the past and just be like, hey, come on, let's go over here. And then just like within, you know, she's told me stories that she's the number of guys that she's had sex with.

without having a conversation with it all. She's just been like giving him a head tilt and gone out to another room or out the back or somewhere like this. And she's just, to her, sex is like playing sport. It's just for something that you do. It doesn't have to be linked to. It doesn't have to be linked to emotions and everything else. It's just something, something that's fun.

Well, that's why she scoffed at you when you said, don't fall in love with me. Because she was like, yeah, I'm not falling in love with guys I fuck for a long time. But the truth is, and what's amazing, probably for her especially, because a girl like that, a lot of times guys maybe can't take them seriously. You know, there's like a stigma to women that love fucking sex. You know what I mean? A lot of times guys don't, can't feel both things for them, right? They want to fuck them, but they're afraid to fall in love with them or whatever it is, you know, or, you know. But like, you guys obviously wound up falling for each other too, correct?

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, she must be super happy that she. She has a guy who, like you, and you have this with her too, that really accepts her for all of who she is. Yeah, I think, and the one thing I said to her from the start is, you know, I'll treat you the way that you should be treated, not the way that she had been treated by other guys in the past, which is, I think, other guys had taken her promiscuous past and gone, you know what, just, you know, go for a good ride here. and but I think she's, I think I've been able to teach her a lot into how she should be treated and respected in a relationship, not just because she likes to have sex.

Yeah, because there's, because a lot of guys, there is that double standard. You know what I mean? Guys would like to fuck a girl like that, but they don't necessarily see her as like wafing material, you know, but like you're not that guy and look what you got. Probably like a girl that was, is very well suited to you. You're obviously not going to change. sheet on this one, right? How long you been with her for? No. Three years. Three years. Do you guys, are you guys married or do you plan on getting married? Are you living together? Living together, no talks about marriage at this point. Neither of us are in a hurry. We've both been married in the past. Yeah, yeah. And she was the same as me in previous relationships as well

with cheating on partners. Oh, you're kidding. No. She always cheated on her guys too. Yeah, because she was just wanting more. And she actually ran into an ex-boyfriend who, not long ago, and they were having a conversation about how she thinks she never knew what to do with those wanting to have more people or more guys or whatever in relationships and feeling stuck in that. And that she feels like she's not stuck in it now because she has all the freedom to have extra. her dick whenever she wants it really. Yeah. And now, same with you. Do you screw other women when you go? Like, tell me some more things that are going down with you guys. Are you totally into going to the Swinger Club all the time? Or do you, like, bring people in at home with each other? Like, what do you do?

So, home is out of bounds. So home is just for us. So it's either hotel rooms or at Swingers' Clubs or things like that. So sometimes we have like private parties where we had one about a month ago and it was just four couples in a hotel room. And yeah, unfortunately, two of the girls got a bit ahead of themselves earlier on in the night with some alcohol and they wipe themselves out. So it ended up being four guys and two girls. But no, we actually both really get off on seeing the other person with other people. So I love the amount of times now I've seen her with five dicks waving in her face or you know just anything like that and she's seen me with women and she's there's been times

where she's like just sat back for a second and just watched and played with herself because she's like she's loved watching so but then she will she will get involved as well so it's yeah it's really it's gone from that very early stages of you know all that to look at people to even now we have a we just recently created a business card and on the business card it just says curious on it with a question mark

and it has a QR code and that we've had a couple of times where we've met somebody and it's mostly Elizabeth with you know the most recent one was we're on a train and she struck up a conversation with a guy on the train

and afterwards I could tell that she was into him but didn't do anything because she's yep she just didn't want to anyway I said and then I came up with this idea of doing the the business card and so it literally says nothing on it except curious and a QR code and the QR code goes to a website and it just tells the person a bit about us and what we're into and just hey if you're into it and you want to join us here's our here's our email address or or telegram account and if you're not then take it as a compliment have a good day right so

So now it's kind of like a not so confrontational way of when you meet somebody and you have that moment with someone that you might meet just randomly that you can kind of shoot your shot and it's not quite so in their face. Right. Does she hook up with women at all or just guys? Both. Both. Okay. And have you ever been with a guy? No.

I would say I'm probably. that doesn't sound like a definite no but if you listen to my show you know that there is like you know erotic orientation versus sexual orientation so sometimes someone in the moment might suck a dick but it doesn't really mean anything but it's just because it's like in the moment you know so i've like handled a couple of dicks and like and then like pointed them towards her to suck them yeah and it's been like in glory holes and things like that yeah because club that we often go to. My favorite thing is the glory hole. I love watching her in the glory hole and then playing with her while she's playing with other guys. And then she had the one

that we're in had multiple holes going into the glory hole. And she was like, here, hold this dick for me. I've got to go to this one. So yes, that's the extent that I've gone to. It's been very anonymous. But yes, no, no sucking dick. she would very much like to see me do that. She's the look in her eye. She's like, oh, it's so hot watching you grab a hold of a dick. She goes, feel free to do anything you want with it. And I'm like, no, I'm okay.

And she's like, don't knock it till you try it. She knows. So, so yes, she's very keen to see me do it. But no, I haven't gone there. Does she want kids or now? She already has kids. She does. That's good. Yes. Right. So I had, I had the SNIP years and years ago. Uh-huh. Because I decided I didn't want kids. Yeah. Uh-huh. But so yes, she, she has kids already.

That's perfect for you. Because sometimes I think when guys are older, like, you know, if they're with a younger girl, she might eventually want kids, right? And that could be an issue if you really don't. And that could be a big deal breaker. but the fact that she already has her kids and you don't want kids makes you and her a very perfect pair and more ways than one, right? Because the sexual compatibility is like off the charts for the both of you. I think more so for her, but I think it's hard for both men and women

to find people who are totally compatible. Like for you especially, because look what you're kind of really into. Like this is like who you are, right? Like you're like now in the lifestyle, you're digging all this stuff. Would you ever have thought that that's, you know, that you had that in you? I don't know, you know, but like this is how you're thriving and this is like probably your best relationship that you're satisfied in, right?

And for her, considering how horny she is, the fact that she has a guy that not only could keep up with her, but also loves her. And like you said, treats her like just as great as any other woman. And you're living together is great for her too. Yeah. She, if you had have told me five years ago, that I'd be arranging without her knowing, it was like surprising guys for her in hotel rooms. I would not have believed anyone, not for any money in the world. Would have I set that up for a previous partner?

No, no chance. But no, that we'd role played a few times having her blindfolded in bed and having like a stranger kind of come in. and have his way with her. And there was the very first time that we ever played with anybody outside of a club. I had put something out on Reddit and said, we're going to be here on this night. And I wanted to see her with someone who was the biggest dick I could find,

pretty much. And found this guy. He was six foot six. And he was six foot six everywhere. he was like nine or 10 inches and as thick as a wrist. Oh, wow. And spoke to him during the week and had a chat with him on the phone. And I said to him, all right, I'll meet you at this place on Friday night just so we can, you know, meet each other face to face.

And then we'll go back to the room. So I'd already packed a bag and we're all staying in a hotel room just for the night, just for something that we had on the following day. in the city. I had snuck into the bag, another little bag, and it had dildos in it, it had handcuffs in it, it had lube, it had all sorts of things. And so I'd gone to meet this guy, and on our way back to the hotel, he was really nice guy, just very, he's like, yeah, this is all about you guys. I'm just, I'm just here for a good time and some laughs. I'm like, awesome, that's all we like to. So walking back, I called a little bit. I called a little bit.

Elizabeth and said, there's a bag in the suitcase, go get it, put the blindfold, take your clothes off, lay on the bed with all of the toys laid next to you. And so at this point, she still thought I was role-playing. And so anyway, the two of us kind of sneak into the room very, very quietly, and I go up and I start giving her a massage, and she's laying on her stomach, blindfold on, and I started giving her a massage and then he and I swapped over at some point and he started giving her a massage and and then this went on for maybe 15, 20 minutes and then I started giving her a massage at the same time and it was at that point she realized there were two other people in the room not just one. Oh my God. And so yeah, it went from there and she kept the

blindfold on for a little bit and then she's like, I've got to take this blindfold off and so she officially kind of met him and went, hey, how are you going? And then looked down and she's like, fucking hell, you've got a big dick. So he would. And yeah, so that was, I've organized a few hotel meets for her like that. We even had one guy who was brave enough, silly enough. I don't know what you want to say, but he, I convinced him to meet us in a hotel room for the very first time with him blindfolded laying on the bed. And he, and he did.

He, we got there. He gave us the room number, walked in, and he's laying naked on the bed with a blindfold on. And, and then Elizabeth just slowly went to work on him. And he was, he was absolutely shitting himself. He was shaking. He was kind of those, those nerves of being very excited, but also, also very scared to not know who was walking in the door. He'd never met us before. Oh, that could have been a guy.

could have been anyone so we've we've got can i get her on my call on the phone why isn't she calling in i need to talk to her well it's one o'clock in the morning here not i don't mean right now are you out of your mind i'm not talking about now saying she should come on the show in the future i'll have i'll have a talk to her i might be able to convince her to come on does she yeah oh my god she's the type of girl that people love to hear from she's she's got a hell of us story as well. Yeah. Just in wash. Yeah, listen to her story. I love like, you know, people love to hear from women who are not repressed sexually. You know what I mean? And sort of like own it and and are and have no shame about it, right? And I think that that's like a great woman always talked to because there's so many women that aren't that way. And I think a lot of women find my show because they like hearing from women like that because it inspires them or they live vicariously through them, you know, because like I said before, a lot of times women can't. express that side of themselves, you know, but she's so open. We've even played with the idea of she's, she keeps bringing up the idea of going back

to doing sex work. Right. Because she really enjoyed it. Okay. So that's something that we're, that we've been talking about for probably over a year on and off now, just like, how would it work? How would you go about this? How would you go about that? You know, just more about staying safe and doing those kinds of things. But yes, no, she's got some... Great stories. Well, you have to get her... Does she know you're calling into the show at all?

Or no? Yes. Okay, great. So, you know, if she... No secrets. Yeah, no, I love that. Of course, right, why would you? So listen, if you want to send me in picks of you and her anonymous picks, you can

from my Patreon. You'll get access to my Patreon for a month to see the comments. But I'd love to see picks if you want. I only take picks of the woman if she's not on the call, if she agrees to it. You know what I mean? So she'd have to say, you know, right? But you'll also get access to my Discord. What were you going to say?

Are you okay to change my voice? I change everyone's voices. Not one voice that you hear is their person's voice, unless they're like an expert or it's their real name. You know what I mean? Everyone is fake voice. So they all sound normal. Your voice will be very different.

Most likely deeper. You'll hear. She does jump on. She'll be out of like especially about our journey through. being in the same. Like we've had some really good stories. We need her to come in and you set the stage for your beginning. We'll get a little bit of her beginning too, which will be interesting, right?

And her experience with guys and then we'll get, but we'll get quickly to your guys' experience. She could do your part too. But thanks so much for your story. I love your, it's like I like stories that like read like a good book. You know what I mean? This is like a journey that you were on and it does have a very happy ending and a crazy ending. I'm sure you even look back right to like the guys. that was married in that first time, like, can you believe, like, this is who you are now?

I can't. No. Right? Definitely not. It's not like you set out to plan this, right? But here you are, like, in the lifestyle with a woman who's, like, almost hornier than you were. Like, you couldn't have wrote this yourself. So thanks for calling in and sharing your story, Victor.

And send me the picks ASAP if you're going to send them, okay? We'll do. All right. Thanks so much. Bye. Bye. Don't you wish you could just hit skip on the worst parts of your life? You know the same way you can skip an ad?

I get it. I'm Siaiaa and I live in Ice Cove. I've made some questionable decisions that didn't end up the way I planned. And today I'm still figuring it out. Somehow things usually get worse before they get better. Apparently, that's how I roll. So bundle up and come along for the bumpy ride. Stream a new episode of North of North Tuesdays on CBC Gem.

Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available in paperback or e-book or audiobook version. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like, there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck story. There's a gang-bang girl story. Like I said, 17 stories, and they're all told in the third person, and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person, and I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like Penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top

like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories. 17 of them. They're really short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two. and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format, and finally, the audio book is available. And if you buy my book in any format, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint, okay? There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay, I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other, and that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of

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