Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 163 - Recently Divorced Paul Wants to Build a Glory Hole in his Friends House

Episode Date: January 29, 2017

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I go on Craigslist law and I love the people that I find on Craigslist, but I also have had like amazing guests who happen to be listeners who wrote in and I have them on my show. Don't think that I'm only interested. Or a lot of people write in and they'll be like, I don't know if you really want this topic because I don't think it's that interesting, but blah, blah, blah. And like, let me just tell you, I'm the type of person that thinks everything is interesting. And I think, I think like my podcast is kind of like a testament to the fact that that is most

likely true, right? Because everybody that calls into my show, if you ask most people enough questions, you find out that most people are interesting. There's that word again. I don't know why I'm very self-conscious about saying that word a lot lately. But anyway, so if you have a story, if you have a problem, if you live like a very interesting secret life, send me an email and I'll have you on my show. Strictly not for the podcast at Jumel Dock. come. I have a guy on from Craigslist today. His aunt was all about glory holes. And he wasn't even like looking to like fuck a guy in a glory hole or blow a guy in a glory hole. He was looking for help on how to build a glory hole. Like he was seriously looking for like construction workers to

help him figure out how to, you know, create a glory hole in his own house. I was like, oh my God, this guy has to be interesting on more levels than just this, right? You know, there's probably a backstory to that whole scenario. So I, wrote him and he wrote back and he was interested in being on the show and that's what this podcast is all about. We talk about the fact that he wants to build a glory hole, why he wants to build a glory hole, you know, his

sort of, well, not sort of his experience with men and glory holes because he's like a guy that was married for a very long time. He had a very interesting marriage. He also had a very devastating recent divorce. And so we talk all about the glory hole thing.

We talk about his bisexual. and we also talk about his hardcore divorce. And, you know, they're all interesting topics. And like I said, I knew that there would be more to this guy than just the glorial thing. And it turns out that his divorce story is pretty hardcore. And I think even those specifics, you know, of everyone's divorce story is very different. I think most people can relate to being completely shafted at the end of a very long-term

relationship. And that's what this guy was. To me, he was really fucked at the end. And so we talk about that too. So I'm going to be right back on with Paul. Do you have a story, lifestyle, or situation you can't talk about to anyone, to anyone? Or do you just want to let your freak flag fly and be on the show? Well, Strictly Anonymous wants to hear from you.

Send us an email, Strictly Anonymous podcast at gmail.com, with you. Your story and your anonymous name. And remember, everything is strictly anonymous. Strictly Anonymous. Hey, Paul. Welcome to a strictly anonymous podcast. You're on with Kathy. How are you?

Thank you. I'm doing good. Cool. So, Paul. So, Paul, I found you on Craigslist. And because you were like, you have this whole, you had an ad all about the fact that you want to build your own glory hole, right? Like that someone was. Correct.

Right? That's right. I've touched upon glory holes in, you know, on my podcast, I've had several people kind of bring it up, but I've never done a glory hole episode. You know what I mean? Really focused on it. And the fact that you wanted to build your own, I was like, that's interesting. There's probably a lot of interesting, you know, stuff about this person that I could uncover. But let's like start out with the fact that you want to build a glory hole.

Explain all that first and then we'll get into it. Yeah. I believe the ad that you, or post or whatever that you had responded to, I was actually putting out there to like carpenters or experienced constructivizer or something that, give me an idea how I might be able to do it. And I got a few responses back and some ideas. It gets a little freakyer, actually. What do you mean? The replies that you get? Because I would assume, though, most of the time...

No, the whole thing is just a little bit more figured. I'm more than just wanting to build a personal glory hole. I actually intend to do this at a friend of mine's house in a different town. he and I have both talked about it he's not able to get out and about and around and so you know I suggested this to him and of course I'm you know it's kind of my thing too but so this wouldn't be going into my house

it's going into a person that I know its house right so when you say it gets more freakyer than that you mean the whole story about like your story or the back story on the glory yeah yeah so first of Why can't this guy get around? Is he like handicapped? He has Parkinson's, yeah. Okay.

And now you guys, you mentioned before we got on, we first started taping that you were married. So I'm just wondering how this came up with this guy that you were able to sort of be straight up with him that you were into glory holes. Like, I mean, is this somebody that always knew about this thing that you were into?

Like, how did you and this guy sort of become honest about that with each other? I've known this guy forever, actually. A friend of the families forever. And to be honest, I'm not exactly sure how it spoke that we just started discussing it or something. But, yeah, I've known for a long time that he was into it, and he's known for a long time that I was into it. And I, unfortunately, I am not married anymore. or actually I got divorced about six months ago.

Okay, so let me start with a little... After 25 years. I was going to say, give me a little backstory in you. First of all, how old are you? I am 53. Okay, and so you were married for 25 years? 25 years, yeah. Okay, and I'm assuming that when you talk about Gloria holes,

it's like gay action, right? Like you're maybe by? Do you consider yourself by? Are you doing Gloria holes to get blown by women? I consider myself orally. I am not attracted to men in any way, shape, sense, or form. You know, I don't look at a guy and think, well, my gosh, we're doing attract ever. You know, nothing like that, ever.

I am not gay. Something about a hard cock is just fucking mesmerizing to me. But you don't think, okay. Okay, I've had, listen, you know, I've had a lot of guys on my podcast. Everyone has a different way of sort of like, sort of framing things in their mind, right? And gay or by, I mean different things to different people. And they're just labels. So whatever, you know, you make up, like you know who you are and you could explain

that any way you want, right? And I have had a lot of guys on my show that are like getting fucked in the ass by trannies or getting blown. And they're like, I'm not by at all. I'm not into guys. But like if you like, and I'm just going to say this like because you're like, I'm not into guys at all, but there's nothing like a hard cock.

There's nothing more hot than a hard cock. Like isn't a cock like a guy? And nobody else has that but a guy. Right. Doesn't that mean you're into a guy? I'm sure a bi woman if you had to really break it down. She'd say, yeah, I'm not interested in women like emotionally,

but I like tits and a pussy. Like, you know, like it's just the body part that is attractive. That would be the difference between maybe gay and bi. Yeah, I guess that's probably a more accurate way to put it. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't have feelings for guys. I could never have a relationship with a guy other than like my friends. I have never, I have never performed or away on any of my friends.

None of my friends really know about it except for that one guy who, like I said, I don't even remember how the conversation got to that. Yeah, we'll get into that. I'll jog your memory. I'll jog your memory. Somehow we'll figure that out because I'm curious about how. But wait a second. So, you know, yeah, listen, gay and bi are two very different things.

And I might be wrong, but the way I think, like, what to me is the biggest difference is that, like, a gay person feels like, not only do they want to be intimate sexually with somebody, they're emotionally intimate with people. And that's who they have, like, relationships with. By people, like, say, it's a guy, right? he might he's by because he probably most likely he has relationships and emotional sort of connections with women but he sexually is also attracted to men and vice versa for women that's what I think there's a lot of buy women that could never have a relationship with a woman right they have relationships with men um and fall in love with men but they like to get it on with chicks every now and then right and that's the difference so I would say you're by would you consider

yourself buy if you buy into my definition of it? Like would you be able to say, okay, yeah, I'm totally by? Or do you still think you're not? Well, again, again, I don't think that I'm totally by. I, I, I word it. I'm orally by because that's where my attraction lies. Right, okay. So you don't have any kind of anal sex.

You just have like oral sex. What guys is that? Let's just define that because you're saying. Yeah, absolutely not. Okay. Right, I don't even do that with women. I don't know. I don't know.

You're not even into fucking a girl in the ass. No. Wow, you might be the first homophobic, bisexual man that ever existed. You kind of like, you know what I mean? Like, why wouldn't you, why? Okay, I get why maybe you'd be not into fucking a guy in the ass, but why not a girl? I mean, I have. Oh, okay.

And you just weren't, it didn't feel good. It's not my, right, it's not my first choice. I mean, it's, you know. That's fair enough. I thought you were very opposed to it. I mean, I, no, no, no. I know there are, I know people that are like, you know, like a couple guys, friends of mine, they're like, you know, that's, that's their conquer when they get a fucking chickeny ass.

You know, and I'm like, cool, but, you know, hey, I'll, I'll, I'll take. the other part. No, but this is why I think that a lot of guys like anal sex and I think it's just like a physiological thing and this is what I've always thought because like the way a vagina is someone once described it and I wish I was like on TV

because it's hard to explain over the air right because people aren't watching me but like they said the difference between fucking someone regularly and fucking someone in the ass is like you know the difference between say you like put your fingers just like two fingers around a dick and went up and down but when you're in the ass

It's like the whole hand is grabbing your cog, right, and going up and down because like the inside of an ass is like a tight tube, you know, so the whole thing is being squeezed. And I think I've always thought that that's the reason why men love anal because it really is a lot of, you know, tension on your dick when you're going in and out. Whereas in the vagina, like once you get inside, it's like a big empty hole in there. Really, the only tension you have is on the opening area, right? and then when your dick is inside there, it's kind of like, you know, not much going on.

So that's the only reason why I thought that guy's preferred it. Though I'm sure there's more reasons. Some people feel like, yeah, they're conquering a girl. Some people might feel like they're degrading a girl. Some people may be secretly gay and they pretend that, you know, the girl is a guy so they're fucking or in the ass. But like, I think that a lot of times it feels just better for guys.

So it didn't really feel that great for you. You prefer regular vaginal sex? I don't know. maybe it's that you know wow I don't know I don't have an answer for that

what do you don't know have you had anal sex with a girl I'm oh absolutely yes okay and you've had regular sex with women you've been married right so let me ask you this did you feel you didn't really you weren't so blown away by anal sex right obviously I mean there's nothing wrong with that I think you know

right right it wasn't that great for you it wasn't something that I was like oh wow this is so much better And this is, no, no, not at all. Okay, so you know, you tell me, Kathy, you're fucking wrong. I didn't like anal sex. Like, you're wrong. You know what I mean?

I don't know. I'm not a guy, so, and I'm just making assumptions. And if you really listen to my podcast, I always say, like, I give unprofessional advice. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. I'm just like another person like you. You know what I mean? So you don't, you know, don't let me confuse you on your own life. Right.

I didn't call up for therapy. I just called up the bullshit. Oh yeah, but I do like to, I hate to say it though, this is the problem. I do like to analyze like their best. But I don't, I'm not going to give you advice. Like, I'm just going to pick you apart, but I'm not going to give you advice. You're a woman, of course. You're a woman, of course you're going to do that.

You can't help it. Yeah, but you know, I know some, well, I call them like girl guys. Like I have some guy friends that like to analyze too, but yeah, that's not a typical guy. Yeah, I just like to pick things apart. Absolutely. I definitely think that that's like the girliest part of me because a lot of other parts of me are just like a man. but anyway

so okay so you're not I'm just trying to I really think that men who like to blow guys or just get fucked in the ass or anything sexual with a guy I would consider that person bisexual and I think that there's different degrees of bisexuality so like maybe you're like not that's what I think right

right I think there's different levels and different degrees right absolutely because you don't like you said you're not even into anal at all with a guy doing it to you not you just as strictly into oral so that's like a small part of you is by but not like maybe not even 50% let's give you 25%

Oh and here's another twist of that too I'm really only into doing it I don't like a guy to do it to me Wow you're very similar to my last guy that I just had on Who was uh he but he was it not even to blow He was waiting to meet someone it was more hand jobs He liked giving them as opposed to receiving them And I have to say after finding out

All these other things about him There was sort of a psychological reason why he was into that specific thing. So let's just keep talking, though. Like, how do you, so when you were married for those 25 years, right? Since you were, like, when did you figure out that you were like into guys orally?

I knew that prior to being married. Right. So you knew that most of your life? Yes. Okay. Probably, I was probably 16, 17. And then how did you figure that out? Like, did you fool around with a guy?

Was it like a porn thing that you found or like? I grew up in a college town. Okay. Which was awesome. Okay. For lots of reasons. And, you know, one drunken night, I'm fucked up and I'm walking home from a party. I'm walking by this park, this area that I know.

No, I have heard stories, things that, you know, hey, guys, blow guys and stuff down there. Right, right. That was the word on the street. Yeah, I totally get it. Right. That was the word on the street. So I rumble, bumble stumbled down there and actually got a blow job from a guy. Okay.

And, yeah, and because, you know, I was drunk. rage on and I couldn't get rid of. I'm walking home. You know, so I thought, oh, what the hell? So I walked in. And anyway, it happened. And I was like, well, holy crap. That's magic that.

And you liked it. Well, except, you know, of course I did, but I didn't because it was a dude doing it. I didn't like it, but I also knew that I was interested in trying it. And I now knew where I could go to try it. Right. So after that guy did it to you, that's when it like clicked in you that you wanted a dick in your mouth. Like that was something that was going to turn you on. Yes.

And so my next drunken weekend, one or two later or something, I don't know exactly. Right. It was like, okay, I'm going to go over there and try this. And I went over there and didn't even, it didn't really even take much courage or nothing for me because I was just walking through the trees and whatnot. And I walked around the tree and lo and behold, their one was. And so. So word on the street was right. Like this was a pick up place for guys to go and like get it on with other.

guys. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah, and I imagine it still is to this day, actually. I don't know. Yeah, there's a lot of the, like, a lot of rest stops are like that. This, right, at this college town, it probably still is the same thing going on, right? Yes. Yeah. Okay, so you bump into a guy there and then you blow him. And then did he blow you back? Like, did you get a blow, because I'm assuming while you're blowing him, you're getting really hard. Like, how did you, like, how did you get off? I just joke though Okay And I'm assuming since you like it still

Like you must have loved doing Like that's when you realize that that's actually what you really enjoyed Yeah it was like I You know My cop got super freaking hard And I was like Hmm yeah I knew that it was like

Wow Here's another thing that's kind of funny I don't know if I can even say this, but you're taping it so you can take it out of you. Yeah. Whatever. I had, I don't know if you have ever heard this, but I had listened to an old Richard Pryor album, a comedy album for you kids out there that don't know what an album is. Anyway, I was listening to this Richard Pryor.

He started discussing on there at this sucking cock, okay? Hey, you know, you guys gotta be careful doing that. It's really addictive, you know. You may get away with second one, not even get away with sucking two, but you suck three or four, and that's it, you're going to be hooked. So don't know it. And I remembered that for some reason. And I don't know, I'd say that's pretty accurate.

So my guess is Richard Pryor was probably, experience in the field because he was obviously really fucked up on stage that just talking and I think he kind of opened up a little bit right there but anyway because he was absolutely right right once you did it like you were addicted absolutely and I'm assuming you kept this though as like a secret like a secret this was became like your secret lifestyle right absolutely somewhere along the line this friend of yours finds out everybody knew nothing right and so you're with women and you know you're there's no conflict let me ask you this was there any kind of confliction like oh my god what does this mean like what the fuck am I gay or did you always just

like did you totally get it like I just like to suck cock but I really like women and was it pretty clear to you or was there a time period for a little bit that you were confused no I've never been confused I've always known that yeah that's just and I know it's weird I don't think it's weird no I don't think it's weird I think it's I think you were clear because you knew, because it was, because you weren't like on the cuss, like you were, like, you're not that by. You know what I mean?

And you weren't gay at all. Like, so why would you be confused? Exactly. I realized how much I enjoyed it. And to this very day, I just, I'm hooked, okay? It's fascinating.

It's just, to me, the satisfaction of bringing another guy off is just, it's awesome, but it's not the fact of bringing that guy off. I don't give a damn about that guy, whether, you know, I mean, certainly I want somebody that I'm doing that with to enjoy it, you know, obviously, but, but I don't really care. I mean, you know, it's not about, to me, it's not about that. I mean, he's getting his enjoyment because that's what he's looking for is to cop a night,

and that's that. But you're, it's something really that you're getting something out of it, right? It's not really for him. It's for you. Absolutely. Because you're not that into them sort of. The enjoyment is for me. Right.

But you're not into so much them giving it back to you, like you said, right? It's more about you just sort of doing it with that. Because you said you're not even that into them blowing you. Right. Yes, I'm not. Because honestly, because the real reason is it's because I've, you know, I've allowed other guys to do it occasionally here and there. and they all fucking suck at it. They're terrible.

Really women? You find women to be better up below jobs than men? I do. For the most part, yeah. Yeah, interesting. It might just be where you live. I don't know.

When they enjoy it, my ex-wife was, she had a passion for it. And she was very, very, very, very good. Right. And, you know, and that's a whole other conversation we could have at another show or something.

Oh, no, but I'm going to touch on that because I wanted to know When you're with your wife, right? Are you seeing guys on the side? I'm assuming, right? You didn't put that on the shelf for 25 years. Well, okay, here's the deal. Okay, here's the deal.

We had an open relationship. We went to swingers clubs. We shared. We did a lot of things. We actually sucked cock together on a few occasion. Oh, that's great that you were able to bring. So then. Other people know about it.

Your wife knew about your, like, she was the one person that knew about your thing with guys. Oh, she knew about everything. That's great. She's the only human on the planet that knew everything that I discussed absolutely everything with. Right. And for a long time, it was really, really awesome. It was really good. Well, she went crazy.

What do you mean when crazy? Oh, no. religion. Did she go through like what did it happen when she was going through like manopause and stuff? Well she actually because of again long story endometriosis and many many bouts with this crap and she actually did have a hysterectomy early and that made her go crazy right? Well it you know certainly I don't know play part of it but so you know she was very fully aware of my pendentcy she was very fully aware of her. She was very fully aware of

of my past. As I said, we actually sucked to cock together on a few occasions. No big deal. She gets crazy. She finds God. She's whatever. I don't want to do it anymore. Okay. That's fun. I don't want you to do it anymore either. Yeah, that's the problem. I love you and I won't.

Right. Okay. You know, I love you and I won't. Uh-huh. And, you know, we went for another, I don't know, seven years or so there. Uh-huh. I did not. And nothing happened or whatever. And I started kind of talking to those guys to do Craigslist and stuff, as you saw.

Mm-hmm. And I actually did go meet a couple. Mm-hmm. We had been married for, like, 20 years at the time. She was doing her thing. I was doing my thing. I worked eating. She worked days.

fuck I was up when she was in bed she was you know never saw each other or nothing so anyway so I met a couple guys and well she found out about it and she flipped out and left me that was just recently

because I mean you said you just got divorced six months ago or separate that was that was a couple years ago oh okay and the divorce was just finalized four months and then she came back. Okay. Okay. And I thought things were going really, really well.

Uh-huh. And she left for work one day, September 19th to be exact. And that was that. September 19th, last year, this year that just passed. And did you find out? Like, did you say, where the fuck are you? Like, what's going on? And did she give you an explanation?

Or she just, like, went MIA? She wouldn't answer. She wouldn't answer my phone. She wouldn't, I didn't talk to her for two weeks. Uh-huh. And then she called me. It was like, I filed for divorce. And da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-down.

I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah. What triggered her like that? What triggered her at that point? Did she find more stuff or do you know? I had, I had looked at some porn. There was some porn remnants on my computer. Uh-huh.

And once again, and she just totally went off the deep Jesus end. But this time, it was over. She, within two weeks, filed for divorce. Boom, boom, boom. December 8th, it finalized. That's too bad. That's too bad. It's fucked up, actually.

Yeah, you know, when you said you got divorced. So I decided, hey. so if I if I just got to you know spend you know my time alone by myself then I suppose I ought to make myself feel better I ought to do stuff that makes me happy right so la la glory hall right

so here we go here we go so now I'm on right well that's what every guy does when he goes through a bad break we just goes and fucks the world you know what else you're supposed to do but the whole glory whole thing with this guy what else are you supposed to do yeah yeah what that's how people

act that you know that's what that's what guys do I always think like you know it's just like uh that's how well I know that she's out getting I know how much she likes the fuck and I know she's out fucking I guarantee you that does she still like to fuck after her hysterectomy like was she still into sex like

throughout your whole marriage even though she was into God like that didn't kill that with you just you weren't allowed to swing or anything like that. She wasn't doing the other stuff. Exactly. So when you guys were into like swing clubs and stuff like was she doing women, men, all that kind of stuff and then

she gave all that up? Yes. Right. And then... Right. And what were you going to say? You know, she enjoyed every damn last minute of it. She had a good time. She enjoyed it. And do you know what got

her into like God or Jesus? Like, did she meets someone and they brought her to some place or like what that's what happens yeah yeah she she's and she's with a cult a cult church it's my talk of my life is crazy but yeah yeah she met some lady and they became really good friends and then it turned into this all bullshit yeah no listen they can those kind of places are lots of different it can be like cult like and get you know really sort of brainwash people and change them. Like some people, like, I think it's like, you know, someone's like a serious heroin addict or like really bad off.

It's like, you know, what's the harm if like they go into like another kind of like addiction? You know, there really is no difference there either, you know. I am, I will not knock anybody for, you know, you want to go to church, you want to read your Bible, you want to do that, that's fine. That's awesome. I don't care. If that's what gets you through the night, sweetheart. If that's what you like, if that's what helps you, if that's what calms your soul, then you do it.

All right? For me, you know, it's bong hits and second cut. Was it bong hits for her, too? Did she give that up too? She gave that up too. She did. I gave that up for two years. You did for her?

Right, when she got into Jesus. So, like, your relationship lasted for a little while, and you were monogamous. with her like you didn't have any guy actually oh well then you eventually did after a while right and then she found out and that was you know again that was two years ago and then she came back and you know things were going good and i did nothing and i would wasn't going to um you know except i looked at some porn and the porn that i looked at yeah happened to be gay yeah Transsexual masturbation

Right And so her Fies, chicks with dick Yeah I get Again my thing I like chicks I like women But you also like dick

So chicks with dicks is perfect for you It's fucking awesome Right And some of them They look like chicks And it's like that is incredible And that's what I was looking at Right

She saw that and didn't say a fucking word. Just left. Literally. I love you. See you tonight. Yeah, love you too. Bye. Right.

Maybe she just like could, like. Hey, where the fuck are you? Why ain't she answering her phone? What the fuck's going on? I went berserk for, hey, this story ain't about that. So fuck that. No, it's, I mean, listen, things, on my show, I never know what's going to happen when I'm talking to somebody.

I never have rules of where it needs to go. You're awesome to talk to, too, Kathy. That's cool. I'm glad you like that. I'm glad you like talking to me. But like, don't worry about. Like, I mean, this is a part of your story, and it's a part of the glory hole story. Like you said, so I'm like, fuck her.

I'm going to do whatever I want. And this is why you're like, you know, sort of looking for architectures to help you create a glory hole in your friend's house so you could just, you know, suck dick all the time because you're upset. Right. Because another thing, too, you know, to go to a adult bookstore where they have them. them and we have one, you know, here, up here, and I, you know, do visit it occasionally. But it costs. And that clap is expensive. And it's like, you know, I could.

How much does it cost? With the investment. It is a minimum of $6 on a card, which gives you basically about 23 minutes. And that's kind of not a lot of time. Right. So I usually put like 10 or, you know, 15 on it or something. And then. And when you go into the glory holes of that book store,

you typically blowing the guys because that's your thing, right? I mean, put you every now and then just put your dick in, too, to get blown? Sometimes I do get really, really excited from it. And it's like, yeah, yeah, what the hell? So I'll stick it through. And if the other guy on the other side is any good whatsoever, okay, I'll let it continue. But if he's not, and so. But now that you don't have your wife, right?

Like, what are you going to do to get yourself off if you're like, you know what I mean? Okay. Wow. Let's get freaky, Kathy. Sure. Let's get really freaky. All right. I was going to this church up here with my wife.

Okay. Found to be a good boy. You know, I don't know what's bullshit. And then when she left and everything, and I decided, well, you know, I think I was right before. So, you know, I'm not going to do this church stuff anymore. And a guy that I used to go ride bicycles with, and he had a camera club and stuff at the church, and I would go to that stuff while I was going there. Anyway, so he called me, yeah, so what are you doing?

What's up? How you did? Don't see you. Did it do. Yeah, you know, I'm all right. You know, he came over. this was literally two nights ago. He comes up.

He starts, you know, kind of talking about having a maddoch with his wife. And I'm like, hold on. The guy from her church? Isn't it so funny how like attracts life? Yeah, we were both. Her church, right? The one that she brought you into, right? No.

No? Oh, okay. No. Yeah. that's a different church in a different town. The only reason I was going to church, too, was because, you know, because she wanted to. And so I did.

Okay, cool. So this guy's... Right. This is a couple from the church from here in Kansas City that we were going to. And so, yeah, that really kind of blew me away. How did he bring it up? Like, were you guys drinking or, like, were you just... Yeah, you were just bullshit and stuff?

and he was like, so, he goes, you want to see something? And I go, yeah, sure what? Wait, what did he say? You should. Do you want to see something? Oh, okay, do you want to see something, right? So he shows me this gift for this picture on his phone. And it's a drawing of a chick on her, hands and knees,

a guy behind her, the guy in front of her, you know, getting to her on both ends. And it says, friends that care are friends that share. And I was like, whoa. I was like, wow, man, you know, that's a pretty good friend there. Right. And so we started docking and stuff. And so he told, oh, you want to see a picture of my wife's pussy?

Oh, my God. Yeah, and I was like, oh, no, I mustn't. Right. And, yeah. Have you ever met his wife? And he hung her after a little. Oh, yes. I've met his wife.

Okay. And she's hot? She's cute. And she's cute. She's not like mega hot. She's very average, very normal. Somebody you'd run into it at the supermarket. But yeah, very friendly, very nice.

When I was going through a difficult time with my breakup with my wife, the first time she left, when I actually did cheat on her, right? Yeah. They invited me to, like, a picnic with their family and shit. There was this concert in this park somewhere, and they invited me to go with it with them, and they were just very friendly, very nice people.

And I was out on a bicycle ride with this guy one time. And we stopped, and we were drinking our water and just relaxing and stuff. I was, hey, I wanted to, run something by, I was going to ask you. And I go, yeah, what's that? He goes, oh, well, you know, it's just kind of, you know, stupid stuff that like married people do some dumb stuff. But hold on, and his phone rang. And he said, hold on. And he answered his phone.

He was going to go, so, what was he going to ask me? He was like, no, no, never mind. It's all right, man. No big deal. And I'm like, you sure? And he goes, yeah, no big deal. So, well, this is the same guy. Right, that's probably what he was going to bring up.

Yeah. Right, he came really close to asking me back there. Yeah, probably. And I'm assuming he knew that you were recently divorced, so maybe that's why he figured now is the right time. You're maybe more vulnerable and open to you. I guess so. You know?

Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm thinking, yeah. So did you say right on, let's do it, and have you had the threesome yet, or are you waiting to? Like, what's the status of that hookup? Yeah, the status is. I'm still just waiting. Actually, they want me to send them a picture of Mike Johnson. Mm-hmm.

Right. So I'm going to, you know, later on, take my shower, shave up all real nice, and, you know, put my cock ring on and look at me with me some porn and get the buddy in gear and snap me some photos. Right. And then send it on to them. Do they have something specific? Like, are they totally looking for someone that's really well? hung or something like do you have any idea of what they're looking for I mean because some couples are specifically looking for like very well-hung guys or not like I mean what's

your deal are you average well-hung right small I mean what's I mean I don't know because because with my me oh yeah I'm I'm very average okay but so I'm sure they want to get a look at it so that's cool and you have a cock rig though too oh yeah You'll bring that with you. I get the best I can to get it, you know. Really hard. Yeah. I had a guy on once.

There's an episode of he made his dick like bigger, actually bigger and thicker through like using these like penis extenders and stuff. Like it's the real deal. Like you could actually make your dick bigger. It's kind of interesting. But anyway, so you're going to send them the picture and you feel like maybe you could hook up with them. I mean, because like you say like you're not into really getting blown by guys.

You really prefer women sexually, right? as far as when you're on the receiving end of sex. So that's why I ask, like, how are you going to get off now that you don't have your wife? Do you have any females in your life that you're currently with or no? I'm assuming no, except maybe this. No, I do not. Right. And now that guy that, the Parkinson friend of yours, the guy who has Parkinson's, he must have known that you were like with your wife, what you were doing with guys and stuff like you.

How could you not remember how he found out that you were like? you know, into blowing guys and how, or how did you find out that he was into it? Is he straight up gay or is he by, does he have a wife? Like, what's his deal? This, this is my friend that we're intending to build this house that we're talking about now. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah, I think, I think that he is gay because he's never had a relationship with really anybody.

I've never seen him with a girl ever. Even before he was stricken with his physical limitation. So I'm sure that I knew that he was gay, you know. But how did you go for a fact that he was into guys? Like, do you remember him telling you? No, but, okay. So I was over there drinking, and we were playing baseball. video games and shit.

Mm-hmm. And, you know, this remark, that remark, whatever, da-da-da-da. And then I think we watched some porn together, and he whipped his out. I whipped my now. We jerked off together. That was about it. And I left, and I felt really awkward and weird about that. Mm-hmm.

Right. But, but, so I got that talent. Right. that you guys knew that you were open to stuff like that, right? And then, so you felt really weird about it at first, but then I guess you stayed friends with him. And then when was the next, did you guys do that again with each other? You know, we've done it off and on for, you know, years,

other except for, you know, the time when, you know, because we're talking back when, again, just right out of high school and stuff, right after my first marriage, actually. Oh, okay, so you're married. My first marriage only lasted a year. Okay. Yeah, my first marriage only lasted a year and a half.

She was a real bitch. Right. So when you were really young, I mean, how old were you? And I was a young, naive, stupid. You know, how old was she? Full of myself, young fucking punk. Yeah, how old was she? Yeah, how old was that?

Like 20? I was 20, right? She was 19. Every hot girl at 19 is a bitch, probably. You know what I mean? Like, she's just young. She was just young, you know? Like, she's probably done to bitch now.

Exactly. And me too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just said you were cocky. And the fucking was awesome. The fucking was awesome. It was just, that's, you know. Right.

So that was, so after your first, so you and this guy did that whole jerking off session with each other when you guys were pretty young that happened. And then you guys continued to do it all throughout your marriage. Did your wife know about that with him? Was she ever take part of that? Okay. See, okay, but I didn't do it all through.

You didn't do it all through the marriage? Because, no, I didn't. Okay. You know, I honestly loved my wife very much. Mm-hmm. And I'm not gay. Mm-hmm. And so I didn't want that.

I, you know, wanted her. Right. But you said that you guys like blue guys together. So she knew that you were open to blowing guys. You said you guys sucked dick together. So she knew about that. Did she not know that you had done it with this friend that you guys jerked off together? That's what I'm asking you about that.

Because she knew about everything else. She didn't know it. She did not know about that until after we broke up the first time and then we got back together. Then we had to sit down. And I found out that she had had three separate affairs on me. With men or women. With men. Behind your back that you had no idea.

behind my back that I had no idea about and you know how did you get past that how did you get past that and get back with her and trust her well dude that was that was that was that was that was hard I could imagine honestly honestly um marriage was my identity my wife was I'm in love with her I love Right. You've been with her almost all of your life, right? At that point, it's like, to the thought of leaving was probably harder than staying and not trusting her. Right? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So were you able to get past it though? Yeah. And is that when the relationship became open? Because your, your relationship was open, you said. So how could she have affairs behind your back? Even though you guys were doing this open stuff, she was still had those affairs? Or was this like before you guys started? doing all the swingers clubs and everything like what did those affairs happen um okay um yeah they happened while we were doing it actually with with a couple of the guys that we were doing it with so she was secretly seeing them on the side but if you had an open relationship because you that's what

you said you had an open relationship was the fact was it just that like why wouldn't she tell you well we had an open relationship with with the agreement that you know what we did we did together and stuff okay right you know we wouldn't do anything separately you know on our own behind each other's back we would always you know and you know and she never told me about any of them until you know and we're talking you know two years ago

until she found Jesus maybe Jesus maybe Jesus told her to tell you well well yeah well that was exactly it that was exactly I mean how How could Jesus think that that's the smart idea? That's like the dumbest thing to sell someone. Why did she need to tell you that? Well, yeah, because she...

Let me ask you this. Wouldn't you have rather not known? Twist the dagger. Yeah, wouldn't you rather not known? I would have really rather not known. I would have really rather not known. I would have really rather that she would not have come back. I wish she would have just left and been gone that time,

and that would have been that. Yeah, I think, I think divulging shit like that, well, I don't know, I think there's something selfish in it. And maybe like her church told her, like to do that. I mean,

I could see that maybe she needed to forgive herself for that and she had felt really bad about it. I get that, right? And I think it's really good, maybe, that she came to that place, but she could have gotten past that and forgave herself without you knowing.

You know what I mean? Like, that's where, so I just find that sort of, advice to tell people to tell people stuff like that like such bullshit because like I said maybe it was something that she felt bad about but she didn't need you to know for her to get over it you know what I mean that was her own problem and her own issue like you did not need to know you know how did that change things for her how did like so I think there's something selfish and stuff like that I think it's bullshit or it just wrong advice was given to her and Jesus like Jesus told her

to do it like somebody at her church probably told her to do it and it's just so wrong you know Oh, yeah. But like I said, she probably felt bad, and they're like, oh, go tell him. Yeah, and I'm sure that that same people at that church are the ones behind, well, you know, you found transsexual porn on his computer. Well, that's it. You have to leave him. That's, you know. Yeah, it's sad.

It's sad because you got. Yeah, it's sad because you guys have a very honest with each other. And you had changed for her. Like, you were monogical. You were just looking at porn. what else were you supposed to do? Like that was like, like, she just didn't want you to even have the feelings. And that's like not being realistic.

You know what I mean? Because the reality is, the reality is you have this attraction. And whether religious people want to believe it or not, the truth is you can't, like, you can't train yourself not to be into it. Like there's nothing wrong with it. And that's just what it is. You know what I mean? So she just, I guess like what her church was telling her was that like it was just bad to even, you know,

have those thoughts. Like you were not allowed to be you for who you were. So like honestly as long as she's... Yeah. I was, I was cheating on her by having those thoughts. Yeah, maybe some people believe that,

but that's like so, that's like stupid. The only, that was what you were doing. Let me ask you this though, backtrack, because we could get into the whole, I don't want to like dis her church,

whatever, but like when you, when she, okay, she had these like three affairs, quote unquote, behind your back, you know,

even though you were having an open relationship. Did you do anything? behind her back in that time? No. Not at all. No. Maybe that's the reason. You know, it's always interesting to me.

Like the people that find Jesus are like, maybe that's right. More fucked up ones. Okay. Okay. Uh-oh. Yeah. I might have been over there and jerked off with my friend a couple of times. Okay.

Well, that's right. But that's it. Okay. So you did. All right. I never had a sexual affair with a woman. Right. Okay.

But let me just say this. because I did ask you whether you saw that guy while you were with your wife. And you said no. But the truth is that you did a couple times maybe jerk off with him. But this was much later, though. What does that mean? Does that mean after she told you not to be with guys? Was this after she found Jesus?

Yes, after she found Jesus. Right. So she found porn. But the truth is. is you were not able to really give her what she really wanted, which was you to not be with men at all. The truth is that you weren't able to do that. You're not going to do that.

So, right? You weren't really monogamous because you were with that guy. Right. So for her leaving you, I think it sucks and it's terrible, but because of the person who she became and she changed, like you guys were no longer compatible. You just weren't. Right.

I'll agree with that. Yeah. And that's really unfortunate. Because for a very long time, you guys really were. And with very, like, you know, you guys did some pretty hardcore things in your marriage. And you guys were very cool with that, right? And really open to that. And we're able to really be exactly who you were with the people that you, the person that you really cared about.

And I think that that's a great thing to have, right? Because a lot of people don't have that. You know, that's why a lot of people live secret lives and stuff. You were able to. You know the corny saying. Yeah. You know the corny saying. know, better to have a little lost.

Well, it's true. At least I got to, you know. Yeah, you had a long time with a woman, right? And I don't, and I don't not understand why she left. What I don't understand is how she left. Yeah, that was harsh. But maybe it was just the only way she could really do it because if she would have told you,

you would have said something that would have made her stay. Like, you just don't know what was going on in her mind or her, you know, the people that were helping her sort of with, this master plan because I'm sure she talked to people about what she was doing, you know. And yeah, I think that that's bullshit. I think it's total bullshit for anyone, whether it's a man or a woman, especially after you have such a history with someone to just fucking disappear. It's very selfish.

It's, you know, you can leave somebody. You have every right to like get divorced, you know, all that stuff. She had every right to decide that she doesn't want to be with you anymore. But when you make, it's like, you know, when you just leave and don't even have, give the person, you know, any heads up and don't let them know what's going on and you just fucking disappear like that. That's, that's not cool. And especially not right to do to somebody that you have such a history with. So yes, I could understand why you have such a problem with the way it was done. And, you know, the fact that she went back and like, you know, felt so guilty about

having affairs behind your back, eventually at some point, if she really is into a church that is, you know, a do the right thing church, they should tell her that she should feel bad about that. And she should apologize to you about that one day. You know what I mean? Because that wasn't cool either. You know, that's as, that was as, uh, you know, deceptive as her affairs because she was not even letting you know that she found her porn. Like, you know, like you said, she's like, bye, honey. See you later. Like everything's great. And just went out. That's like, that's bullshit. So, uh, yeah, you, she should eventually come clean about that and feel sorry. That's what she should apologize to you for. She should have never told you about those damn affairs.

It's like, what's the point? But it is kind of bullshit that she did have them, right? Because as well, I mean, she just might not be that honest. Well, right, obviously. And, you know, finding that out, you know, now. Because literally the last few months, she literally lied to me about everybody she was seeing, everywhere she was going, everything she was doing. Yeah, and she, and think about it all the time she was looking you in the face.

And she was blatantly lying. So, you know, and then she had those three affairs with those people. Like, did you have any clue about that? And no, none, not at all. And then to dig through my computer to find incriminating evidence that she could use as an excuse to leave. Right. What the fuck did you even come back for?

You know, that's my question. Yeah, who knows? I'd love to have her on my podcast. But, you know, yeah, listen. No, you wouldn't. She would never come on my podcast. But you know, you don't know what's going to happen to her five years from now. The real her would.

Right. The real her would and have a fabulous conversation with you. Right. Because you know that this is a woman that was blowing guys with you at some point, right? And now she's completely like denied that part of herself. Exactly. Mm-hmm. Exactly.

Because that's the real her. Absolutely. Right. Right. And she was cool with that with you. Like, I mean, you guys were doing that. your relationship, like, she was a willing participant, right? Like, it wasn't like she was doing it for you.

Like, you guys did that together, right? That's what I'm assuming. Yeah. So, like I said, I think it's kind of sad. Who knows what was going on with her to go to such an extreme, you know? I mean, most of the time when someone finds Jesus, to me, it's no different than someone finding heroin or alcohol. It's like an escape and it's like a drug when it's that extreme, you know?

So I wonder what was going on with her that, and I'm thinking maybe. It was hormonal because you said she did have a hysterectomy and all that stuff could really do a mind fuck on a woman. So maybe that's what it is. I don't know. And shit came up from her past and she just like, you know, had a real bottom. And then, you know, instead of like becoming a blazing alcoholic, she became like, you know, a Jesus holic. Like, I always make jokes. A roaring geishaholic.

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I think, I think that that's an addiction on some level because, you know, what they tell you is like, oh, you know, just. This takes away all your problems and this is like helps everything. And, you know, it becomes a very black and white world for those kind of people too, no different than any other kind of like, you know, addict. So I think when it's that extreme, it's a little bit much.

And I think it's okay. Like I was trying to say before, like if someone is like deeply into heroin or so someone's like on the street prostituting themselves and they find Jesus and that's the thing that keeps them off, I think it's a good thing. You know what I mean? Sometimes extremes are good for people that were like an extreme like that, you know, has the least amount of consequences are good for some people that are doing

other extremes that have hardcore consequences, right? But, you know, your wife wasn't that person. She was in a marriage with a man who really loved her. To go to such an extreme, you know, it's kind of harsh and seems like, not sure if it's like, you know, the right thing for her, but we don't know or maybe you know, I don't know, like what she was going through in her life

that made her sort of look for something like that. Because that's a lifeline, you know, that's for people that find that, I think, typically are people that are kind of lost or at a bottom, you know, that really need help. Absolutely. You know, absolutely. That's, that's, you know, nobody, nobody chooses it until they, you know, have no other choice. Mm-hmm. And.

Do you think it was hormonal because of all the, like, the medical reasons? It's like, yeah. It's like falling off a cliff or drowning, you know, somebody throws you something. By God, you're going to grasp a hold of that. And, you know. Yeah. because it's the only thing. Something was really going on bad with her.

That's what religion is. Yeah. Listen, it can be in moderation. It can be an okay thing for some people. But when it's such an extreme like this and she's buying into a woman who was sort of open. What? Oh, chronic back pain? She had chronic back pain.

I guess she had a really bad addiction to prescription drugs. Mm-hmm. And she hit it. I had no idea. Yeah. see, she was this like a way, like we're talking about the deception. I mean, it just keeps getting more and more about the things that she was not being honest about. So she was basically living like double lives as well. That's her problem. That's probably why she needed it too. She was an addict already. So she was. So she did, she was sort of hooked on something bad. And this is just another thing to be hooked on. But it's not her prescription pills. You know, is she still doing those pills or did she get off of that too? At least. I don't talk to her. I don't want to talk to her.

I don't want to hear. I don't deal with her. I don't, you know. Do you guys have kids? We have a son. He's 24. And I have sat down and talked to him about the whole thing. See, because she left and, you know, she had to make sure that she told everybody, okay, that I was homosexual.

Oh, God. And that's why she was leaving. Oh, that's so, that's terrible. I think that's really wrong. Yeah, that's bad. And she told your son that? Yeah. And so what was that conversation like with your son?

What did he say to you? Like, what did you say to him? I just explained shit the best I could. Yeah, that's, that's so heavy. And that's so fucked up. This is where you just really see that these like really extreme religions. and I don't think regular religion is like this and plenty of people could be religious

and they're lovely people. But when you get these real extremes and people get into it, like I said, you realize it's not healthy because like that is not the right thing to do to go around and trash you and tell people what you and her did privately. And I would love to be able to go,

hey, hey everybody, the name of this church is da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Don't ever go to it. No, but that doesn't matter. But it doesn't matter. We all know these things exist. In a tiny little town, and they are crazy. Yeah, but we know there's plenty of people that know places like that. You know what I'm saying?

But it's just, it's terrible that you, that she told your son and that, and everybody in the family. Oh, yeah. And, yeah, she's everybody. Oh, everybody. It's terrible. Terrible. I'm sorry, but this is so much more interesting than the glory hole to me. I'm sorry.

I mean, this is like a very hardcore. It's like a heavy story. I mean, it's really fucked up. I feel bad for you. I get why you just want to build a glory hole and get your dick sucked all day long or suck dick because like everything that you've been through, it's very hardcore. And I think one of the most happiest things that you've told me is what you just told me, which is the fact that she went and spilled this to everybody in your life when you just spent the last hour explaining to me that this was like something that you did and nobody knew. about, you know, it was your own thing. And you did share it with your wife and you guys enjoyed it together as a couple openly and honestly. And then for this to be thrown out to people

without you wanting it to, I think is really unfair. And, you know, you, and I think just because somebody likes a little dick on the sign, does it, there's nothing wrong with that. And there was no reason for anyone to know, especially your son is terrible. Like, terrible. And in the name of Jesus, that's so terrible. Like I said, I do not, like, say that all religion is bad. Like, it's just when things are extreme, anything is not good. That's why I don't see any difference between heroin addicts and people that are that into God, that they do things that are just so fucked up and wrong that they don't get it. You know what I mean? And they just can't even see that it's wrong. I think it's fucking wrong. I think it's so, I think you are very wrong.

Like wronged in your life. That's not a word, but I don't really fucking care. Is it a word? is wrong to word. I don't know. You know what I mean? Like, you got fucking shafted. So you do need a glory hole. Somebody should give you a somebody should give you like a free glory hole.

You know, charity to you. So you could just go and get a lot of flowchuffs. That's what my friend is for. That's what he's helping you. That's what my friend at his house is for is. So he's building the glory hall. I mean, listen, let me just tell you this.

I've had guys on my show, okay, that have talked about Gloria whole things that they go to set up in hotels, right? And I'm sure you've gone to these. And I've asked them, like, how do they do it in a hotel? Because they're not putting a hole through the wall. They said, no, they just build a thing where it's a cardboard and they put a hole. And, like, I mean, I don't think that you have to get that hardcore with it. Or are you guys just into doing it in a very, like, hardcore way? Like, can't you just make a makeshift thing?

Can you just get, like, a cardboard box and put a hole in it? Yeah, I could. I could. but that's, you know, kind of cheesy, and I want, uh, I want them to be, uh, comfortable. I want them to come in and go, hey. You want it to be the real deal. Not only. How much do you guys want to invest in this?

How much do you guys plan on spending? Um, well, again, I'm still in the phase of just, uh, like speaking to people, figuring out what the materials need to be. Uh-huh. Because, you know, it needs to be fairly. sturdy. Guys did to lead into the wall, shove it all through as hard as they can. You got to get someone to just build two walls.

You got to just build two walls against two other walls in his house and build a little room. Right. But the problem there being is that there isn't a designated spot where you can just build this into his house. He does have siblings. and parents that come by. Right.

And there can't be something obvious there that it needs to be able to be put up and and taken down and take it down. Right. It needs to be, you know, mobile and some sort. Let me ask you this. You and that guy, have you only jerked off each other? Have you ever blown each other? You and your friend?

I have blown him before, yes. Okay. Yeah, I always know when someone says, um, the answer is yes. And let me just tell you, though, something that I found an inconsistency. In the beginning of my podcast, you said I never, ever fooled around with any of my friends. I have never been attracted to them. I never would. I never did.

But you did blow this guy who's your friend. And I don't think it's any big deal. And I don't think it changes your definition of who you are or means anything. But I just wanted to point out to you that you kind of have fooled around with one of your friends. I mean, you have, right? Right. Your closest friend. But you're not in love with him

And it doesn't mean anything It's just a sexual thing Right And well it's To be honest I can almost call it more A sympathy thing Oh like right

Because he has Parkinson's you mean He's got nothing else He's got no life He's got nothing So you give him sympathy blow jobs You know I hate to call it bad Yeah but people are laughing in their car right now listening. Like, that's a hilarious concept. I bet they are. Yeah, okay. I would give a friend. Listen, I'm the same kind of

personality. I have, like, friends in my life that I've been friends with for a really long time. I have one in particular that I always make jokes to him. Like, when you're fucking 80 years old, because he's been very good to me in my life. And, you know, and you're in diapers and you can't get blown by anybody. Like, I would totally come to the hospital and blow you or give you a hand job. You know, just to be nice, because that's my friend. So I get the whole sympathy. thing, but do you do it like when you're drunk and maybe you do it because you kind of enjoy it too? Well, yeah. I mean, you know, and I'll admit, he's not little.

He's got a big dick. Yeah. Okay. And so you like it. So maybe you're attracted to your friend, but that doesn't mean that because you're friends with him and you're also attracted with him, it doesn't mean that you're gay. I don't think that it changes that to you. Okay. But, okay.

But then also, I, you know, I'm not. I can't swallow him. But you could swallow other guys. Can't. Okay, but other guys, you can. Yeah, people I don't know, I can. Yeah. Right, but with him, it would be too, is it,

is it like it would be too intimate? Isn't it so interesting how everyone has their own, like, weird rules and regulations they make, but it makes sense to them, right? For you, it's like swallowing is like the thing that, that's where you draw the line with your friend. You'll blow him, but you won't swallow. Kind of weird, but I'll blow you, but hey?

No, that's why I like, that's the kind of parts of my podcast that I'm the most, I find the most interesting. And that's why I could do so many podcasts, which if you look at the titles, a lot of them seem like the same. You know, I can have like a million guys that cheat on their wives. But if you really listen to the details of every single one of them, because people are unique and they're their own person and everybody's like made up of a different concoction. Everybody's story is unique and different, you know. so you always get these weird little things that are like, you know, change in the story. And that's what makes, to me, that's what's interesting. And that's what I love to find out about people.

And yeah, it doesn't ever make sense, but that it makes sense to you. And that's why, you know, it's interesting. I can't use that word. So I use that word too much. So anyway, yeah, that's hilarious. But, you know, like you said, it makes sense to you. Right. So that's the deal.

And like I said, I think that me, you, it's hard for you to be, because like I said, in the beginning of this podcast, you did not cop to the fact that you pulled around your friend. And if I was my therapist, who I used to go to, she would, she would, you know, say it's like, you know, there is a reason why you, you forgot about that when I asked you that question, you know, and you sort of just, you don't, you don't frame that in your mind like that you really do that. Yet when I really ask you the question, like, you do, you have filled around with your friend. But somehow you can't put your, your mind around that and be okay with it.

So it's like you do it, but you don't really file it. And that's fine. It's just interesting. I guess that's what the sociopath side of me. You think you're a sociopath? Part of me that can turn off. Well, everybody's got a little bit in them, don't they? I mean, no, I think that's a part of like, yeah, but that's okay.

I think we all frame things different ways. And I think, you know, you're not like. I think sociopaths are doing that when they're doing it, like when they're like, you know, stabbing somebody and they're crying and they can just feel nothing for them. But the fact that you sort of can disconnect that or you don't file that, I think it's because for you, it's very important. And like, I think it's because of the way you look at the gay and the bisexual thing in your mind. On some level, you would, like you would, you think it's bad if you fooled around your friends and you think that that might make you gay, but because you know you're

not gay, you keep away from it. I just think it's really about because of the way you have things in your head as far as defining yourself. I don't think, like I said, it changes the way I see you and it doesn't change the way you've explained yourself. I don't think you're keeping any secrets. I think you keep that though out of your mind, not because you're a sociopath. I think it's because it makes you more clear about your sexuality and how you want to label yourself. And that's fine. you know, because it's not like you keep it hidden. It's what you do, and you're, you just told me about it, you know. And then again, this is strictly anonymous.

Yeah. Yeah. That's right. But that's cool. I am not going to sit down and have this conversation with, you know, one of my other, you know, friends that I, you know, with the high school with and stuff. Of course.

That's why I do my show this way so that people can be at, like, honest as they can because I think that this that's how you get the truth you know everyone if people feel like they could be you know there no one knows who they are exactly they could be themselves it's kind of like right it's like the more someone doesn't know who you are you could be who you are and that's the irony of life right like um so yeah you could be really like you could tell your real story and that's what I think is interesting to people and that's why I give people the the you know I tell them make up a name one I don't even want to to know who you really are. I don't need to know. I just like the stories because it doesn't really

matter, you know. It's a story that's interesting. It is interesting that you don't file it that way and whatever, but whatever, you know. Good luck with your Gloria Holt. Like I said, I mean, I never know where my podcasts are going to go. I never know what I'm going to talk about or what's going to come out. But I always know it's going to be interesting because I truly believe people are just so interesting, you know, and if you talk to someone long enough, you'll uncover, like, a lot of fascinating things. And I think that maybe a lot of people will want it to probably hear more, like, Gloria whole sex stuff. But I think the whole story about what happened with your wife and everything, I thought that was great and, you know, and interesting as well. So I'm glad, you know,

we talked. I hope you are. You are very easy to talk to you, Kathy. You are. You're very good at what you do. And I just started listening to the podcasts just a couple days ago. I've listened to about three or four of them. Uh-huh. So I kind of, you know, I had an idea what, you know, how it went and stuff like that. Right. But, yeah, it's awesome.

It's great. And I would love to come back on and talk to you about anything anytime. Yeah, maybe one day we'll spend, we'll just talk all about, like, you know, because I think when people do have open relationships that work, right? I think it, you know, sexually open relationships like you and your wife did. And it did work for a certain amount of time. If we take away, if we take away like the Jesus thing and all that, if we just talked about the time that it did, like that would be an interesting podcast

to have at some point because I think that when you guys did do it, it was healthy. If we could go back in time and have an interview with myself and my wife, in the midst of those days, wow. Yeah. That would be one hell of a fun, fun, fun, conversation, man.

Right. So. Mm-hmm. But instead we got the version with like the five chapters that came after that one. And, you know, life is never just like great,

you know, it's full of all kinds of weird shit. But yeah, like we could do a podcast in the future again. I always have repeat callers. Sometimes, like, feel like I cock block like a lot of your good sex story. So like you could always come back on and just tell me like all the kind of crazy shit that

you and your wife did. You know, that could be interesting. I always look for people to call in with their stories. So, you know, I'd love to have you back on if you want to. Okay.

But I love this story. And thanks. I have you programmed into my phone so if you ever happen to call me again, I'll know who you are. No, I won't call out email. I will email you and, you know,

and let you know that I'm open and you let me know if you ever want to a call back in. Like I said, we'll do something just on like your open relationship. I think that that's an interesting topic. Because you guys, when you did do it, it was successful. And you guys were cool with it. You know what I mean? And so, you know, and you probably have some hot stories.

I'm going to try and find another woman that's into that. We got some swing clubs here in Kansas City. I'm going to go visit them and tell you about those experiences or something. Yeah or no. You know when we'll talk again after you have a threesome with those people from your church.

Duh, that's what we're going to talk about. Go have some threesome action. Build a glory hole. Keep me posted and we will talk again soon. You bet. Thank you, Kathy. Thanks so much for calling in, Paul. Talk to you soon.

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