Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 168 - Cirque and his Girlfriend Swing for the First Time and it Doesn't Go Very Well

Episode Date: March 6, 2017

Cirque finally got his long term girlfriend to agree to swing with him but their first swinger experience couldn't have gone worse. What exactly went down that night and why did it turn out so badly? As Louis Ck once said, "guys fuck things up; girls are fucked up," and that quote basically sums up the whole scenario. How did he fuck things up? What did she do that was so fucked up? Are they still even together? Tune in for all the details as well as learn what not to do when swinging for the first time. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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really does it. But if you can write a review, that would be awesome, either on Stitcher or on iTunes or wherever you listen to my podcast. I think it's on other places too. I'm not really sure. So anyway, I'm going to get right into the podcast for today and tell you what it's all about. It's a guy who's been on before. His name is Cirque. I love Cirque. I really, I liked him since the first time he called in. This is going to be his third call. They say things come in threes. This is his third call. And every one of his podcast to me are entertaining because he's like an entertaining guy. And just to give you a little background on Cirque, Cirque's like if you haven't heard his other podcast, he's like a super open guy who's done a lot of interesting things.

If you want to hear about that, listen to his first podcast. Cirque, it's called Cirque and his endless sex stories. He's been there, done that and he's pretty open-minded. And, um, and, He calls in today because he's in a relationship, right? And he talks about this relationship with his other podcast with a girl who he's been friends with for a long time who's very straight-lace. And he's been very monogamous with her. And he was looking to get her into, you know, his sort of way of doing things sexually, which is being much more overminded, aka becoming swingers.

She wanted to get her into or like just sort of introduce her more to things that he was interested in sexually because he didn't know how much longer he could be. remain monogamous in the relationship. He wanted to be more honest and do the stuff that he likes to do with her. So this is a swinging story gone awry, like very awry. And it's so interesting. It's almost more interesting because it didn't go very well. I know that sounds evil of me to say. But, you know, this is, I think that we learn more sometimes from our mistakes than we do, are successes. I've had many couples on already who have been swingers and

who are swingers and are successful at it. And you could listen if you want to know what to do and how to do it, right, listen to those podcasts. If you want to know what not to do and how not to fuck up a first time swinging experience that your girlfriend has said okay to, listen to this podcast. Because things go kind of wrong and not, they don't turn out well. And that's what we talk about. And he calls, me literally like the day after it happened, he called into the show. So he was highly charged

emotionally, like really freaked out about what happened. And so the podcast starts off a little difficult with me. It's like hard for me to sort of get to the actual whole story because he's just really stuck in his like bad feelings. So I'm a little harsh on him in the beginning. And then he sort of comes around and we hash it out and we talk about it. And it's really interesting. So stay tuned because it's interesting. It's enlightening and you might learn something. And that might be the same thing as enlightening. I don't know.

Anyway, I'll be right back on with Cirque. Do you have a story, lifestyle, or situation you can't talk about to anyone, to anyone? Or do you just want to let your freak flag fly and be on the show? Well, Strictly Anonymous wants to hear from you. Send us an email. strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com with your story and your anonymous name and remember everything is strictly anonymous. Strictly anonymous. Hey, Sirk, you're on the Strictly Anonymous podcast again for the third time, only to beat out John.

He's been on my show like five times. You know John, the guy who like lets his wife fuck other people? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I can't find him anymore. He's like, MIA. I can't, like his email doesn't work. so I might never be able to get him back on. So you could be like the new John.

Because you kind of are calling in like with a John. You are, but you're actually, you tell, I don't know, a lot of people thought John was full of shit. I kind of thought John was full of shit. I think you're very honest. And you, but you kind of have like a John situation going on right now. We are going to talk about your girl screwing another guy. That is the, going to be the topic of this convo, right? Okay.

I don't know how we, because of that. Oh, my God, sir, please. At least in our talking to other people about it, like confidants, you know? I mean, friends. I mean, come on. Because it's not just going to be, oh, your girl screwed another guy, because that's not really the whole story. There's a lot of backstory that's interesting.

The deal is you and your girl, you finally got your girl interested and open to the idea of swinging with you because that's really your thing. You've always had these kind of open. It's actually open relationships with other women, right? right it's my fault that she snuck off and fucked a dude in the tree house without me knowing all right you want to get right to it all right so basically the beginning of the story is you wanted your girl to swing with you and the end of the story is she wound up and snuck off and fucked another guy without a condom

behind your back while you were letting her fuck other guys but she didn't do it like in front of you she did it behind your back right yeah that was the shitty part of it right so basically this is like a swinger story gone around dry. Totally. I think I can get an hour's worth of like really good content. Listen, this is why this is great to sort of talk about and put out there because there are

a lot of couples, I think, even more so nowadays than ever, that are starting to try to have these kind of different relationships, right, instead of just the monogamous one that hasn't been working for most people, right? So a lot of people are going to be trying this out. I've had people on that have been successful at it.

You know, you're like, but they're like more professional. You know, you were trying to get this girl who's never sort of done it before to do it. The thing is, it's, it's, there's a term. Uh, right. Okay. Well, the ethical part, the part, you know, that's the thing, like being honest, being forthright about what you're doing. And it's not like sneaking off from fucking other guys without condoms and they're saying,

hey, baby, I'm back. I know that's not how it's supposed to work. Right, but we have to tell us the whole story because this happening, this was happening at the place. But let's just like start at the beginning. Can we do that and just like let the story unfold? Because like I was saying before, this is like a good sort of story for people to hear because I think like some couples try this out and they're successful at it.

Some people try stuff like this and shit goes down that isn't really great. sometimes it'll be the guy's going to go. And I had a guy on here that said he was going to try swinging with his girl and she said, okay. And then he was like, but her one rule is I can't fuck someone in the ass. And he's like, I can't wait to fuck the other girl in the ass. And I'm like, well, that's kind of fucked up. But so that girl was going to.

Yeah, that's what I mean. The ethical part of it. Yeah. So this kind of situation can backfire, right? And your situation. Certainly, it certainly can backfire. Right. And it's not good that it's happened to you.

but because you're going to talk about it, it's interesting because it could happen to anybody. Yeah, yeah, okay. No, it can. When you decide to open up your relationship to having sex with other people, right? And it becomes like a very sort of gray area. Like, you know, like where do you put those boundaries?

And I think it's like really difficult. So how did it start with your girl? How did you even get her into swinging with you? Because last we heard from you, you were very open with what you've done and how you've lived your life sexually all the time with all of your girls. This was one girl that you were monogamous with, right? But she knew, because she was your friend before you dated her, she knew your sexual history, which has been, you know, pretty sort of unconventional.

You've tried it all. You've done guys, girls, been open. And she knew about all this stuff. But you and her had had a pretty straight relationship so far, right? but you eventually got her, or recently got her into sort of opening herself up to your way of, you know, sort of living. And how did that happen? How did you get her into it? Well, not her into it just because I am who I am.

You know, like I was really kinky and really promiscuous as a single guy. Mm-hmm. I was monogamous with her and I'm in. You know, and honestly, I was even really into the idea of her hooking up with this dude, just not behind my back in a tree house without a condom without me knowing, you know. Totally. Of course, right. And so, you know, she comes back, she comes back and she's like, hey, well, so, you know, he had a, he had a wife, right?

I mean, it was not like, it was just some dude. they left us both up both me and his wife alone. But wait, so wait, you get hurt. Let's just start at the beginning. Kind of in a public space. How are you at a place with a treehouse and a couple and you're going to fuck other people? Like, how does that come about? Like, she said, okay, I'm going to swing with other people and then you set something up with like another couple or were you at a party?

Like, how did you get to that place? Just go back up a teeny bit. I know you want to get to it because it just happened. Well, okay. So I met this. couple online. And I'd been talking to the guy and he seemed like a really straight up. He seemed like he was a really cool dude. Did you see picks of the couple? And what he had you put an ad up because you and your girl had decided that you were going to swing with other couples? No, it wasn't an ad

because she would never go for an ad. Okay. You were responding to other people's ads. It was on no, it wasn't an it wasn't an ad type thing. It wasn't Craigslist. It was it was more like a, a dating site. Okay, like a regular dating site. Regular for swingers. Okay, that's not regular. What was the website? Was it an adult friend finder?

Because I go on there with my podcast. No, no, no, both friend fires with each other. Okay, so fucking other people's wives and stuff. That's not gross and dirty. That's so romantic. I'm not saying that it's not romantic or some sort of, I'm not saying. You want to have the cleanest,

you want to have the cleanest dirtiest sex around. Don't go to adult friend fighters. That's just dirty, dirty sex. Where do you get clean dirty sex? You get clean dirty sex from swing your, it's just like a dating sex.

It's just like plenty of fish. Okay. Or OKupid or whatever. I mean, what's the name of the website? Singles. I think it's called SOS. SOS.

Okay, cool. What does that stand for? Swingers' Lifestyle. S-L-S. Oh, S-L-S. Swingers' Lifestyle. Right. Okay, cool. That's good to know. Listen, I want to put that information out there for other people

because somebody might want to go onto that website. Totally. And honestly, I feel like that's a better way of meeting people who are into ethical non-monogamy than something like Craigslist. Craigslist is kind of shady. Right. Because, like, all you're seeing is they're bad. Mm-hmm.

But when you go on a site like SLS or SBC, you're looking at profiles, both parties and the couple of may or may not have a fucking girlfriend or a wife. You never really know what you're getting into when you're going to. Totally. Right. First swingers. So you know that people on there are serious and these are probably people that have been doing it for a while. So it's not like, because I think probably on Craigslist you might get some legit couples that are open to it, but they're probably like newbies, right? probably anyone, the people that you find on SLS, they've been doing it for a lot longer.

So they know the rules. Obviously your people. Yeah, exactly. Not necessarily. I mean, I had two fucking rule. Right. For you and for her, right? She was honest enough.

She was honest enough with me to say that she consented. But they didn't use a fucking condom. Okay, but you're still getting to the end of the story. Okay. You're still getting to the end of the story. So you just still go through. SLS. You found this couple, right? Because she eventually, you got her to decide, like, okay, let's swing and let's be with another couple. And what was the deal? Was she going to be

with the woman? Was she going to be with the man? Like, what did you guys discuss about the situation ahead of time? What we discussed was that whatever she felt comfortable doing, that's what we would do. And she was into it because this is something that you wanted to do? And apparently her sneaking off with the other dude and fucking him without a condom and coming back and not. And not. And she was into it. And fucking involving anybody else in it is her idea of swinging. I was fucked up, dude. Okay, let's start at the end of the story. Okay, so she goes into this place with this other guy.

It's my fault. It's totally my fault because I said the intact thing up, okay? So I made friends with this dude. We're talking. We're both like, dude, your girlfriend's fucking hot. Dude, your wife's really hot. Let's hook up. Let's hang out.

Let's be friends and maybe bang each other. there's fucking significant other. Right. So we met at a bar. But wait, so you go back, after you find this guy and you're talking to him, right? Do you go back to your girl? Yeah, I'm talking to this guy. I've been talking to this dude for weeks.

Okay, but is your girl engaging in this activity as well, or is she out of the picture until you steal the deal with him? Like, is she? I'm sharing, I share, she looked at the profile, their profile. She's like, yeah, she's cool. you know the funny thing is that like I used to fuck

this pink hair chick She was like this I want to say She's a hipster Right I hate it I don't want to admit That I'm a hitter

Fucker But I dated a hitter Right before I dated The girlfriend That I have now And she's you know She dyed her hair And she was all

Into alternative Well this This guy's wife She's a fucking Dead ringer For my ex-girlfriend So yeah I'm kind of into her

I kind of You were into her and now your girl, because you knew, like, the deal was your girl was going to fuck another guy and you were going to fuck another woman? Like, what was the, right? Was that the agreement? No, I mean. No. The problem is that I. No, because sometimes swingers out.

Listen, I've talked to doing my podcast. Nobody, nobody had sex except for my girlfriend and her husband. Okay, listen to me, sir. And it was completely fucking, and it was completely behind everybody's back and nobody else was on board and nobody else even really. But what was a scott? I need to know. Before I call your girlfriend, a dirty whore bitch cunt,

okay? I need to know, like, what the deal was ahead of time. Like, maybe communication was off. Maybe she didn't really know. I need the whole story.

Well, when you guys said, we're gonna fuck another couple. Listen, I have swingers on my show. Sometimes it's like the guy is not fucking the other girl,

but the guy is, you know, the girl is with the woman or the girl is just with the guy, but the guys, like, what was your guy's deal? What did you guys decide together that you guys were going to do with this other couple? Did she want to fuck the girl? Did she just want to fuck the guy? Did you want to watch? Like, what were you guys going to do with this couple? Forget about what actually happened right now. What had you planned to do with this couple?

We never got to that point. You have to get to that point. I had a time to talk about it or else this is why things probably went awry because there was no communication about what was going to go down when you got there? When we got there, I was expecting him to be alone. His wife was supposed to get off work at 9. We got there. There was like an entire group of people there. Where's there?

At his house. He's got a really cool house out in the middle of nowhere. Okay, but before you get there on your ride there, while you're looking at the pictures of him online, when you're emailing him, when you tell your girl, you go back and tell your girl, okay, we're going to meet up with this guy. Okay. What are you guys, what are you and her talk about, like, what you're going to do with this couple? Like, what were those discussions like between you and your family? Sex was on the table. That was completely on the table.

But who's going to fuck who? Is your girlfriend buy? Is she straight? Let me tell you. I'm trying to tell you. Okay. So after the first time we met, me and my girlfriend went on a walk. And I'm like, hey, so, like, pretty cool. He's pretty attractive. He's just, pretty cool guy. And she's like, yeah. I'm like, well, would you fuck him? And she says, yeah. I totally were fucking.

And I'm like, cool, cool. That's cool. We're on the same page. So we get to their house. But does she say to you, hold on one second, in that conversation, okay, this is your girlfriend, okay? If my guy is asking me and I'm going to fuck another couple with him, like, I might want to know if he's going to fuck the woman.

Like, does she ask you that question? Do you talk about the fact that you're attracted to his wife and you're going to be with her and she's going to like what's the situation going to be while she's fucking that guy are you going to be with the wife what was your deal well when you get into more than just one other person two people you know you can communicate with just those two people when there's four people you can communicate with all four people see this my problem with him is he's a shitty host because he didn't create an environment for me to be alone with his wife while he took my girlfriend somewhere private and fuck okay but it doesn't seem like you had enough private time with

your girlfriend before you got there to really set up together what was going to go down because i still do not know what page you guys were on and if you were on the same page now i ready know that she wanted to fuck the guy but did you tell your girl that you were going to fuck the the woman honestly she thought i was fucking that other chick but really there was no way that that could have happened because we weren't alone. She thought that when she left, okay, she left with this dude. And they're having a conversation.

And they're like, do you think they're fucking? Meaning, and the dude's like, yeah, dude, they're totally fucking. We can totally fuck and they're going to be cool. Right, but what I'm trying to say, Cirque, it's like, what happened? No, you're wrong because I have this feeling, because I'm having a problem communicating you right now.

So I can just imagine how hard it is for your girlfriend to communicate with you, Okay. Like seriously. And I think your biggest problem here without even hearing any more of the story is that you did not have this talked out enough with your girlfriend. You keep going to the point where you're ready at their house and she's in the other room and what's happening then. I'm talking about your conversation with your girlfriend way before anybody else comes into the picture. That's the only person you could control is your girl and you guys are like a team going in. Once you get to that party and there's all these other people, it's a free. It's a free. for all. So if you don't have your rules and your regulations and your boundaries and you haven't talked this out like for real to really know where her head's at, where your head's at, then things could go awry. And it sounds like you guys didn't have that many conversations about what was going to go down when you were there. You're like this hippie freak about like what's, like you're just going to expect that it's all going to work out like it's supposed to. When situations like this,

I think it's the opposite. I think you really have to know what is like you really have to know your boundaries and the rules and regulations. And people that have been doing it for a long time, I think that that's just a given for them over time. But a new couple like you with your girl, especially because your girl is pretty straight-laced, you should have had a million conversations with her before going into it. And like I said, I have a feeling that it's hard to have conversations with you because I'm having a hard time just getting shit out of you on this conversation.

Sorry. I mean, it's your third time I could treat you like my friend now. Yeah, but the thing is, Kathleen, is it. You have a preconceived notion of what's going on. Like, I really don't feel like you're listening. I am so listening. I know that you told me in an email you were very excited, CERC, that you had finally, because you really like your girlfriend, you're in love with your girlfriend.

You guys have a great relationship. You were really good friends before you dated. So that's a perfect foundation. And the only sort of little kink in your relationship that you kind of weren't that happy with was the fact that you had this total freak flag sexually, right? That you sort of couldn't, like, be a certain way with this girl yet. And you were very faithful with her, probably the first time in all of your relationships. You had a monogamous relationship with her.

But you were anxious. Okay, but you were anxious. Okay, you were anxious to keep this relationship. did, if I did fuck hit that other dude's wife, I certainly would have fucking used person protection. Okay. Okay. What's going to happen?

What's going to happen if this is where I'm, I fucked up royally. I made a judgment call and decided to date a woman that has absolutely no fucking boundaries. Do you fucking dude without a condom? Yeah. Let me ask for this. What did she say? What was it?

Right. Okay. What did she say about not using a condom? I asked her this morning. I'm like, so, did you, did, I mean, you're putting me in a position where

hopefully you're not pregnant. Like he pulled out before he came, right? I mean, he didn't like totally fucking come in your pussy. And I'm not going to have to consider the fact that I might be raising this fucking dude's kid. Oh my God. Stop. Fuck that.

Like, I won't do that. Of course. Of course, but what did she say? Did he jizz inside of her? And that's what she said. She was like, well, he pulled out when he came. I'm like, oh, thank God.

Thank goodness that you had the fucking critical thinking judgment, cartoon judgment to at least believe him when he fucking said that he pulled out when he came. You don't believe. Because who the fuck knows? No, you know because they're just. He should have been wearing a condom. No, no, but you know because. I bought that motherfucker.

a condom. I stopped at a gas station on the way to his house. Bought him a condo. Okay. Did you buy yourself a condom? Oh, of course, and it was a bigger one just for the record. They come in one packs? I mean, what, you bought yourself magnums and him like regular size? I got me some magnums and I got him to regular size ones. How did you know? How did you know that he wasn't magnum size? How do you know? Well, look, I'm a big dude. He's not such a big dude. Let me tell you, I've seen a lot of dicks in my life, okay?

Not that I'm a whore or anything, but I have to put it around the block. And I got to tell you, there is no rhyme or reason with body types a dick size. Some of the biggest dicks are on the littlest, smallest, skinniest dudes. And some of the littlest ones are on the biggest, tallest, beefiest guys. So the size of body does not correlate with dick size. No way. Maybe finger size a little bit. A little bit.

You could look at a guy's fingers and sometimes no width and length slightly, but not body type. No way. So you bought condoms on the way there for you and for him. And did you give it to your girlfriend to give to him? No, and that's what I fucked up. I should have. Okay. I really should have.

Well, I didn't know they were, we were in, there was a party. There were a bunch of people there. Like honestly, if you were to say, hey, I'm going to go fuck your girlfriend. in the tree house, you got a condom? I would have fucking gave him him in one. And how did they let leave your sort of watch? They just fucking snuck off

in the middle of, in the middle of a fucking party that he was hosting. Was everybody like drinking and a little wasted? Yeah, yeah, but and here's the other thing. There were mostly just dudes, one chick but was it a swinger party? No, it wasn't a swinger party.

Okay, so you were just going over to sort of meet the best friends not to really do anything this time around? Exactly. Okay. So why did you buy condoms? See, I'm like Barbara Walters. I, you know, I...

Because when I... You're going to a party that you're not going to fuck people, but you just said you bought condoms on your way there. Kathy, I didn't know it was a party. I was only expecting him and his wife to be there. Okay, so you were going over there to have sex with them. Yes, we were going over there to have sex with that. Okay, great.

So when you got there, though, you're like, why there's a bunch of other people. Okay. Exactly. And so there's all these people around. And then he fucking runs off with my girlfriend, fucks her in the tree house without a condom on. And then comes back and there's all these other people. And I didn't know they even fuck. It wasn't until on the drive home because we were intending on staying there.

That was the whole plan. Like that was the idea. We were going to go there and stay there. We were going to spend the night with. this couple. And when I get there, there's a bunch of other people there. And we didn't

end up spending the night because I didn't want to fucking hang out there all night with a bunch of drunk retard. Okay, but did your girl get drunk? Well, yeah. Okay, sometimes when, like, listen, you know, you put alcohol in that kind of situation. I mean, she might have

done something that she wouldn't have done if she was, she might have, like, sort of just fell into it. she was like wasted and like this whole experience and this guy takes her and then it just she just might have just been caught up in the moment like maybe like if the situation was totally different and she was clear-headed it's probably something she wouldn't have done right happy that's exactly what happened right but that's that's what happens when you and like that's what happens okay sirk when like you do stuff like this and alcohol's involved and it's not thought out that properly this sounds like just a a bad like timing weird scenario, one-off thing that I think personally, because you have such a long relationship with your girl and you're friends with her and she was like wasted and the guy had all these people there that like, you should just like call for a do-over. Like I don't think you should count this. I really don't. And I know a lot of people that are listening would say bullshit Kathy. She's a

whore. A lot of guys are going to be like, he, she fucked another guy and that's so wrong. But I don't agree. Like I think you have to take everything into context. I think that. I think that. you might have to just put this aside and forget about it and try again, but do it better and more the right way the next time. And I think you should give her a pass because I do remember on a previous podcast that you were stealing panties from a woman. So you kind of were doing some stuff while you were dating this girl. So maybe she should just get a pass for this.

You know, I agree. And, you know, I gave her a pass. But here's the problem. This is where the underlying problem that a lot of people that get into this situation don't really understand is that, that now that I have it. Basically, we're playing poker right now.

Mm-hmm. And she's given me an ace in my, in my hand. Mm-hmm. And now I, I can really do whatever the fuck I want. And go, oh, yeah,

what can you really say about anything that I do? Because you do that and blah, blah, blah. No, but see, that's where you're wrong. If you, that's, no, no, no, no, you know what's fucked up about that is that you're actually sitting down at the poker team, to play that game because what that is is a game. You could stop that right now.

No, you could stop that right now by not making it a game. I know, I know, I know. But do I trust myself to not play that fucking car? Well, I don't know. Are you wired that when you're upset about this is the thing with revenge and people and, you know, listen. Exactly. Yeah. When people get hurt and they can't deal with things and they don't want to deal with a feeling

that they feel uncomfortable with, people go out and seek revenge and they do things. lower themselves to the other person standard. You could go out and fuck other people and do it. And you're going to be, you're going to be worse than her because you're doing it thoughtfully. Do you understand? Yes. But here's the other thing.

So he has a wife too, right? And he did that behind her back too. And so I had this conversation with her this morning that consisted of, hey, let's not revenge, fuck each other. we need to get together. Who's we? My girlfriend and his wife. Why can't you just forget about them?

The guy sounds like an asshole. Okay. And why? He is an asshole. Okay, so why do you need to talk to them? Like, why don't you just cut that cord? These people are strangers. You don't like the way he does business.

He fucked with your relationship. He fucked your girl behind your back. His wife doesn't even know what the fuck's going on because she let it happen. She let him, like, forget about them. That was a bad SLS that served you wrong. Okay, maybe you should go to adult friend finders or Craigslist because that was some shady shit that went down. So why do you have to have a conversation with them?

Forget about them. This is not about them. They're bad news. That guy's an asshole. Why do you need to go and talk to them? This isn't like, you know, like you're not in a relationship with them. They're not your good friends. They were strangers you met online.

And it was the wrong situation and they didn't play. They play, he played dirty, right? and your girlfriend was just too naive and too drunk to really know what the fuck was going on. Okay, so that's the deal. His wife, she doesn't need to know. Should I stay with her, though? Excuse me?

Kathy. Yeah. Should I stay with my girlfriend? Yes, absolutely. I think you should stay with her girl. Even though she's got really shitty judgment and she breaks the golden rule. Well, this is what it is.

You don't sound like, listen, I tried for 19 minutes. I looked at the time when I was still fighting with you trying to get information from you. 19 minutes I fought with you to try and get information about the conversations that you had with your girlfriend before you did this, okay, for situation. And you didn't give me anything. It's like you guys barely sort of talked about it. So I think you should give yourself a pass too. I think you both need passes. I think you both acted wrongly. You're the one that's more experience when it comes to stuff like this. Your girlfriend isn't. She's the naive one. She's the one that's been. normal. You know what, Kathy? You know that women know everything.

She's not innocent. What do you mean? Yeah, but she's not innocent, but you weren't going to do an innocent thing, okay? And you put alcohol in a situation where now she's going to be with another person and you got her like all horny for like this sort of situation and then she did it.

So she's not innocent. You're not innocent either, okay? You could understand that dirty mindset or that sort of kinky mindset that sort of wet with the situation. Like how do you? drunk was she? What was her excuse for fucking him? Like, what did she say? Did she say, I'm sorry? Like, I don't know.

It just happened. Like, what did she say? Oh, she's really sorry. Everybody's sorry. Everybody's sorry. Who's everybody? Who else is sorry? The guy sorry? Yeah, man. He called me up this morning. It was like, dude, man, that was shady what I did. And I'm sorry. Like, he apologized.

Everybody apologized to everybody. Okay. Okay. Everybody acknowledges that some shitty, shady shit went down and everybody's sorry. Mm-hmm. And that should be the end of it.

If you're literally sitting here thinking that you're going to be okay with your girlfriend fucking other people and that's what you want, then what does it matter that she did it in a tree house when you're at a place when you're not around? Because I can't fuck her without a condom anymore because she exercises a lousy judgment. Okay, well, just let her get tested. I'm not pissed that she fucked him. I'm pissed that she fucked him without a condom.

Is that really the only reason? I spent, honestly, it is. No. I actually, I spent. Is it also the fact that she did it behind your back in another place without you knowing? And, well,

that's the side measure. Okay, let me ask me this. If she told you this morning that I used a con him, you'd be, like, totally fine with it. Last, and, okay, so on the ride home, she got completely naked in my car while I was driving home.

We were like, it didn't get really, it didn't get fucked up. Like she's coming, yeah, I fucked it. And you got turned out by that. I was really fucking turned on by that. But you know what? I was a little bit bothered because I wasn't there because I didn't get to see it.

So I just had to take her work for it. And to her credit, she told me the truth. I'm like, where did he come? And did he have a, did he wear a car? Because I know he didn't take one that I gave him. And she said this is, you know what, honestly, this is, you know what really pisses me off about it? is because she wouldn't fuck me without O'Connor for like three months while we were dating. And then she fuck this dude without one in the tree house.

Who's his swing? Like, if he's capable of doing, if he's so inconsiderate and disrespectful with my girlfriend, who else is he fucking without O'Connor? Like, I don't get to fuck my girlfriend anymore without O'Connor. Okay, right, but she'll get tested. Because I don't know what kind of dirty dick that motherfucker has. Okay, but she'll get tested. and when everything is okay, hopefully she won't have anything from the guy.

You'll be able to... Or get pregnant. Wonder if she's pregnant. He pulled out. You could see when a guy pulls out because he jizzes on your stomach. I wasn't fucking there. She told you. If this guy's not ethical enough to fucking wear a condom and be respectful in my present,

I'm supposed to... See, this is my problem. She's forcing me to... No, she's not forcing you to do anything. You put yourself and your girlfriend in a situation where you had to try to... Trust total strangers. That fuck other people and have open relationships of people and you had to put your trust in them. You met them on a website.

You only met them two times in your life. I made a loud, Kathy, I had shitty judgment. And so did your girlfriend? So you guys make a good pair. I'm dare you. I'm scared you turn that around back. No, I didn't even turn it around. I just made it even.

Okay? Your girlfriend is now at your level. Right. she fucked that. So should I forgive her? Of course you should forgive her. Yes, absolutely. And I really wonder sometimes when I'm giving people advice and saying crazy things on podcast, like what people are saying in their cars. Like, oh my God, Kathy, how could you say that? I have a feeling that a lot of guys, because men could be

very possessive over their women, even if they're the biggest fucking scumbag cheaters, you know, the thought of their women being with another man is just like hardfying. Yet, for you, it isn't even about that. It's not even about that. You were turned on. Yeah, you were turned on, which is. that's what's a little weird to me because at first I thought it was I really like this guy I like this guy forget about the guy okay did you want to screw him no I don't well I'm straight well for the most part right okay I'll take I'll take a shot in the mouth for the team okay because the guy when he's drunk he fucks without a condom's newsflash

most people I know do that like it's so bad I talk about that all the time of my podcast it's terrible I'm telling you but most people do it and your girlfriend and maybe she was, you know, she made you not fuck her for three months, but you were like her best friend beforehand. So maybe she felt very comfortable being herself with you, but maybe when she was with a stranger. I would never fuck anybody without a con. Okay, but you know how many people I know do?

Are you a hypochondia? Yeah, well, that's the thing. I feel like I'm fucking, I'm alone in the world that I'm the only person in the fucking plan. No, are you a hypochondri? Are you a hypochondri? No. A little bit?

Not at all. I fucking lick doorknobs. I'm actually No, not a hypochondriac. Like, are you afraid of, like, getting, like, are you afraid of deadly diseases? No. Okay, well, most of the time, to me, hypochondriks are the only ones that are protective.

My immune system are the Navy's fucking shields because I'm a dirty motherfucker. I eat shit off the ground. I lick doorks. I don't feel a fuck about germs. Like, I intentionally put germs in my body because it's a training, it's a training regimen for my white blood cells is what I'm telling you.

Like, I'm fucking. fucking healthy. Fuck. You know what I mean? So, okay. So you didn't care. Listen, let's get, let's stay focused. You didn't care. But I wouldn't fuck another chick without a condom and then fuck my girlfriend because that would make me an asshole. Okay, but so, oh, right. So she fucked you in the car after she fucked him and didn't tell you that she didn't use a condom with him until after. No. Well, she didn't fuck me. I'm not fucking her. I'm not fucking her anymore. She didn't tell you about fucking the guy without the condom until the more. morning, right? The nighttime, in the night time, in the car. She was naked, she was doing you and everything

was fine. She told me last night. No, no, no, no, no. She told me last night. Okay. She told me last night on the way out. Okay, and that turned you on, though. I parked the car. Yeah, I parked the car. She was telling me about it. I was turned on. And then she told me that she didn't use a condom. And I fucking flipped and was like, this is, we're not, I'm not fucking you now. I can't.

Okay. I don't trust, I can't trust you anymore. And what did she say? Sorry, I thought you were fucking his wife without a conum. Like, she thought I was a piece of shit. She's like, I felt like you were being a piece of shit. So I just decided to be a piece of shit. But why did she think you were being a piece of shit?

Why would she think that? Because she thinks I'm a piece of shit. Why? I mean, that doesn't sound like, I don't know. Like, I thought that you guys, you and your girl are like this couple that had been together a long time. You have a very solid relationship. And you went into this saying, like, this is something that we're going to do. and it's not about being a piece of shit

behind someone else's back experience. But maybe she wasn't really into it. And maybe she was like revenge fucking that guy because maybe she doesn't want to do this with other couples. So maybe the minute you got there, she thought, oh my God, he's going to fuck that. Girl, so I'm going to like one up him. Like maybe that's the case.

You know, maybe it's not for her. Yeah. And the only way she resolved it in her mind was to just like fuck the other guy. Maybe she fucked him to like, because that was her only. way of not just like sitting there and being like really uncomfortable even though that makes like sounds like really wrong i could totally understand that sort of thing you know

like why is she's like who why are people using the words pieces of shit when you're going into something like you know doing to do something like like swinging in a in a way that is okay with both of you it doesn't sound like it was okay to begin with right are you there I don't think that maybe, like I said, like I said, 10,000 other times in this podcast, I don't think you guys talked about it enough. I don't think you guys had enough conversations about it. I don't know that you read her the right way about this situation.

I think you went into the first experience, not armed with enough information. or rules and regulations of what was going to go down ahead of time because and everything went awry. And that's both of your fault. It's not your fault. It's not her fault. It's both of your faults. I feel like when you do something like this as a couple, you know, like she said, she thought

you were fucking the lady. Why didn't you fuck her? If you, why didn't you fuck her? The reason why? Because I was in the fucking middle of a party with a bunch of people. So what? The wife was hot. Why didn't you just take her someplace else?

because I've never been to their house before. It's not like, it's not my place to just, I didn't even know where I was. Right, but so your girlfriend, see, this is where, like, human beings, like, this is where it just goes to show that every human being is so different and everyone's mind works different ways. Your girlfriend was probably feeling the same way you. Like, what the fuck am I doing here? I don't even know these people. I'm in this weird house. There's all these people and I don't know what the fuck to do.

And then all of a sudden, some guy whisks her away. She's a woman, right? And so in that situation, things are going to come, like, are going to happen to her in a very different way than a man, right? So as a woman, she's, like, whisked away into another place. And these, you know, she, you guys stopped on the way there to get condoms. So she knows she's, like, fucking people. And then all of a sudden, this guy's like trying to fuck her. So she fucks him.

You, on the other hand, or a guy, and you're feeling those same feelings, but you take control of the situation. And you're not going to go to take that guy's wife to another room because you don't know where to go in that house because it's not your house. So in your situation, it doesn't wind up. the end of your story is that you're not fucking somebody, but it makes more sense that her story ends up with her fucking that guy because she's the woman and she's in the guy's house. Do you understand? Yeah.

If you were the woman in that situation, you'd probably wind up with your leg spread too in a tree house. Right. You know, the woman wasn't very alpha. Like maybe if his wife was alpha female, she would have snagged you up and brought you someplace else. And you would have got into it because she was hot as shit and you were like into her. If she had taken you?

You know what? I would have used a condom and I would have been considerate and we would have all fucking come back together and fucking talked about it. You should be talking about it before, okay? Not after. After is the wrong time to be talking about it.

What do you mean talk about it after? Who cares? Like you're just going to wipe up the jizz and go home afterwards, okay? What do you mean talk about it afterwards? It's so weird. Like, it's not Girl Scouts? Well, during.

Talk about it during. You know you talk about it before. Who's talking during the same? fucking sex. Everyone should be on the, I've had enough of these podcasts and know enough about swinging at this point, okay? To know that this all should be, this has to be talked about before. Just cheat, just cheat like a normal person. Fuck the swinging shit. Just cheat like a normal person. Oh my God, I'm going to name this podcast. Everyone should just cheat like a normal person.

That's right. And I could totally understand why you would feel that way because, listen, I think that swinging is a very slippery slope. It's a very gray area to go into. So I really think it has to be done in a way that, you know, sort of takes into consideration that all these things could happen at any time. And I just think that you went into it pretty open. Like that's the kind of guy you are, sir. I'm so naive. No, you're not, you're like a hippie. No, you're kind of like a hippie go with it. That's like your vibe. That's what I like about you. You have that vibe. So you're not like me. Listen to how I'm talking to you like I'm like a fucking drill sergeant. If I was ever going to swing with someone, I would probably have rules written out on a blackboard.

You know what I'm saying? And we would go over them and there would be homework and there would be definite shit gone down beforehand. Because that's the kind of person. I'm a little bit more uptight than you. You're very laid back, chill kind of guy. I just don't think it's in your nature. And I got taking advantage. I got, I did.

I got taking advantage. But I don't know about your girlfriend's nature. Maybe she's just like you too. And maybe she's so chill that she just like, Went with the flow and fuck that guy. By the time she found out he didn't have a condom, she didn't even know. Like, you don't know. She was drunk.

So, and I don't know her. So, you know, like, what's your girlfriend's personality? Like, is she just chill and easygoing and laid back and hippie like you are? Yeah. Yeah, so. Kind of what I love about her. Right. I'm telling you guys are two peas in a pod.

I don't think you guys, I think if you guys ever swing again, you should get like a middleman. You want me to be your, like, swinging coach? we'll have like a podcast yeah we'll have a podcast before because this is so hard to talk to you sometimes and I'm going to be the mediator okay and I'm going to have you guys both talk and I'm going to ask the questions and make the rules and regulations for you too and get it all out there so you guys could really know what you're doing ahead of time because I think you guys went in you were above over your head and things went awry and like I said I think it should just be a fucking pass Get over it. If you decide to seek revenge on her and use this one thing, there's always that one

time in a relationship, in a conversation, in a moment that someone could take a situation and go in a direction that is really bad and could really sabotage and ruin things. Do you understand? Right. You know, and you could. Exactly. Yeah. And I know that you're thinking along those lines because you're hurt and you're pissed off. And I totally understand that. that. And everyone's going to have thoughts of revenge. Yeah. Because it's so cliche, but I hate to say this. I'm not angry. I'm not mad. Disappointed. Okay, but you can get up and be disappointed. Okay. But you wouldn't do that to her, but it doesn't mean every, this is what we have to always remember about people. And I know this is hard for anybody because it's hard for me. Okay. But like, sometimes

we have to understand that other people's brains like sort of work different than ours. And just because she did that it doesn't mean she was doing it like because if you did that to her you it would be malicious right that's why you wouldn't do it because you're not a malicious person but her doing it right but sometimes somebody might do something and i don't feel like she did that maliciously that's exactly that's what i'm saying with her she didn't but she's not doing it malicious she does she does deserve a path right but but but why do i really want to be in a relationship with somebody that has such lousy judgment yes because you have lousy judgment too I have lousy judgment only because I fucking picked her as a partner.

No, so you're so fucking wrong. You have lousy judgment because you picked a bad guy off of SLS, went to his house. You didn't have conversations with your girl. Listen, you're the man in this relationship. You're the person with more experience, okay? You're the one that needed to guide her in the right way to do this the right way. And you drop the ball, okay? This should have been...

I totally fucking... You're right. Yeah. Yeah, you totally did. So it's not really... She was like looking to you to tell her like, oh, how does this fucking work? She doesn't know. And then you bring her to party and you get her wasted and you bought condoms on the way.

Like, what the fuck? Okay. No, you dropped the ball. You should have been a little bit more in charge of that situation and you weren't. And, you know, if you guys both have poor judgment, it doesn't mean that you need to break up. It just means maybe you guys shouldn't swing. Maybe it's not for you with her. You know?

You don't want to lose your whole relationship for something like this. Especially, listen, if you were a guy and you were so horrified that she fucked the other guy and not in front of you. And that was the thing. That's a bigger issue. You don't even care. You were horny for that fact. It's just the condom thing. And I have a feeling that's just because she was wasted.

You have to give her a pass. And you'll get over it. This is what you have to do with the feelings when you have them and they're really bad. You just have to sit with them and know that they'll pass. What happens is so many people, they act out because they can't handle feeling bad. And then they do things that later down the road they regret because they wind up sabotaging. Like you could go and fuck another person behind her back and get her back or do whatever to make yourself feel better right now. Okay, but that's going to ruin your relationship long term.

And who gets hurt by that? You will because maybe you'll never find a good enough girl like her. Like you guys get along really well. Like that's just like stupid to do. Like you need to just like, and okay, in a month from now when you get past it. Kathy, why are you single? Because I, because honestly, you want to know why? Because you're smart.

Yes, because most guys are, no, no, no, I'm going to tell you. Because guys are such pieces of garbage. Like when I meet one that I think is like sort of when I see through him, because I'm like super sensitive and I could get like vibes off of people. And unfortunately, I just see too much. And there's never been one that was like, I'm like, oh, he's like solid to the core, you know, like I'm looking for a certain kind of guy. and when I find that guy, maybe I'll settle down.

But most guys are just such a fucking nonsense. I could handle them for like a year, but that's about it. And that's okay. But I'm a picky bitch. No, but women are different. I'm sorry, it's much easier for a guy to find a good girl. Women are just as fucked up as men are. Women are as fucked up as men.

Wait, you know what? Louis C.K., who's like my favorite community, you know his perfect line about men and women. It's so funny. He's like, you know, the difference between men and women is, are men fuck things up, but women are fucked up. Totally. See, in this situation, this is exactly a Louis CK's situation.

You fucked it up, but she's fucked up. Right? It's so funny. Right? You fucked it and she's fucked up. That's right. I did. Honestly, it's true.

I fucked it up. But she's fucked up with what she did. did, right? She's fucked up because of what she did. And that's the difference. She's so worried that I'm going to leave her about this. Of course she is, because this can be like a real deal breaker for some people. Oh, it's a deal breaker. It can. It's just a fucking serious deal breaker. I'm not pissed if she fucked the other guy. The fact that she didn't use a condom.

I mean, I think if you could go so far as you know. Lousy judgment. Oh, my God. Get over it. I don't trust a for, it's not like a, Would you trust a child to drive your car? No. Or tell the truth. No.

Like, you can be, trust isn't just about telling the truth. It's about fucking exercising, some critical fucking thinking. Yeah, but you can't judge somebody by when they're wasted in their first swinger experience. You can't judge her by that. That's true. You put her in a very weird situation. You were her guy. Where were you when he drifted to her?

Why didn't you go after her when he took her someplace else? What were you doing? Good question. I wasn't paying attention to her. Exactly. Okay? So you have very poor judgment too. That's all I'm saying.

I'm not saying like anyone's worse than anyone else. I'm not just sticking up for her. I'm looking at things fairly. I really am. And I'm rooting for your guys' relationship. That's why I called you. That's why, I mean, I really needed to hear an objective perspective. Yeah, because a lot of people will say, oh, fuck her and I think.

But you have to get the whole story. That's why I try to get all the information from you because you can't just like, people just always want to like be the victim and blame somebody else or whatever. But in this situation, you're both kind of wrong, right? And if I would just sit here and some of your friends will just listen to your side of the story. And your side of the story is all you wanted to say in the beginning and I couldn't get you past it was she fucked another guy behind my back without a condom. Like a million times.

That's all you. That's the whole story to you. But that's not really the whole story. The whole story is that this girl. This was her first swinger experience. These were strange people. She was taken to a party. You were the one that's done this before.

You brought her there. Then you got her fucking drunk and lost track of where she was. And this guy, you bought condoms on the way there. So she knew she's supposed to fuck this guy. And then the guy's telling her that you're fucking his wife. So then she fucks him. Like, that's the whole story. And a lot of people would...

She used the fucking condom. Okay, you have to have better conversations with her if you're going to do this again in the future. Don't put other people. Don't put other people in a position where they just have to trust your world. Okay, but your girl, when she's drunk, okay, when your girl, when she's drunk, she forgets to use condoms. You need to file that and know that about your girl. Okay, that's something about her. And you just have to know that.

Excuse me? She used condoms for fucking three months. Okay, but you guys were dating now. And if you guys are going to continue to swinging, you need to have serious conversations like that. And maybe when you guys swing in the future, when you guys, go to parties or you hook up with couples, you cannot leave her side. So maybe you guys shouldn't drink when you swing.

Because when you guys drink and you swing... That's some good advice for your listeners. You don't know what the fuck is going on. Let me tell you something about dudes. They're dirty motherfuckers and they will fuck your girlfriend and get her pregnant behind her back. He wasn't. You really think he wants a baby.

You think that guy wants a baby from your girlfriend out of your minds. He didn't fuck her to get her pregnant. Okay, no, guys give a fuck about getting pregnant. Listen, he might have been to... Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck. Right, but he's not looking to have a baby, okay? That would be the biggest turnoff.

If your responsibility as a man to keep her from getting pregnant by another dude. And just buying condoms on your way at the gas station on your way there, that ain't enough. Okay, wait, listen to yourself, sir, okay, listen to. You've got to be a chaperone. Okay, listen to me, sir. You got to look at it from like outside of yourself, okay? there's going to be a lot of people listening to this podcast. I get emails from my fans.

And my fans are like truck drivers that are riding down the road. You don't know what I mean? And they just like listen to me because they're driving for 10 hours, right? These are normal people. You have a great podcast and it's entertaining. Yeah, but wait, listen. So take yourself out of yourself, right? And listen as like just this normal person that's going home to their wife and kids or whatever.

You know, people that live in monotonous relationship. I want Judge Judy on this. Oh my God. I am Judge Judy. I love her. She's like my favorite. No, I'm obsessed with Judge Judy. I watch her.

I, like, I DVR her shows because. I think they're so fucking funny. No, she would be like, no way. She would say exactly what I'm saying. She'd be very, like, you're both morons. You're both morons with bad judgments. Okay, so we are both morons of bad judgments. Totally, 100%.

Yes, you're both passive. You're both passive laid back hippies with bad judgments, and you probably should be swinging together. Right. Because nobody has, like, you know, sometimes people need like an opposite part of their personality, like one person is the person that takes charge. And it sounds like you guys both in this situation don't have that thing that you need to sort of stay together as a team.

So you make a bad team in this kind of situation. You just do. But you've been dating her for a long time and you probably make a really good team in every other aspect. A lot of couples don't ever get to this place where they have to figure out whether this would work or not work with them, you know, in all the sort of angles. Yeah, it is hard for... Yeah, man, that's tricky.

Well, but that's the whole point. And that's why it's good to do this. and this is what people should be listening. That's why I think. Just be single. Just cheat on, just cheat. Oh, stop being. Yeah, I think that that's hilarious.

Right. I mean, listen. Don't fucking, don't try to be ethical in your non-monogamy because that's a waste of time. No, they're hot. Unless you find a really, really amazing person that you can trust, not just be with their honesty, but with their judgment.

Right. Mm-hmm. Right. And maybe your girl's a little naive. And you're also naive. So you guys have to regroup. I've got, I totally got some work to do on myself. Like, I've got some introspection that I have got to deal with.

In what sense? Okay, like in what sense about your judgment or how you act when you're drunk? Maybe all your rational, like most people, when they get drunk, all their rational thinking goes out the window. That's like a normal thing that happens. That's why people have fun. You know, but maybe when you do things like this, you need to take it a little bit more. Maybe you just need to do it clear-headed so that you don't do things that you wouldn't do. You don't have to answer to everybody.

Well, maybe your girlfriend wants to... Okay. Your girlfriend, just, I mean... My girlfriend needs to be single. Why? Why do you say that? Because she only thinks about how. When you're not single, you have to think about other people.

Well, does she think about you mostly all the time in your relationship, except the night in the tree house? To you, you're in the relationship with her. How does she normally treat you? I wouldn't have done... I wouldn't have done what she did. Okay. That's okay. So when that's a situation.

Because I'm a good person. Your girlfriend's not a good person? She's a good person, but she just needs to do it. Did a bad thing. That's what my therapist used to teach me. Human beings are flawed. We fuck up. You know,

it's about really what shows whether someone's good or not is how they feel afterwards. Is she a fucking narcissist or like a sociopath that had no feelings and laughed in your face and didn't care? No. She felt so bad. Right. That means she's a good person. feels worse about it than I do. Exactly.

She did a stupid, stupid thing. Yep. Okay? Not terrible. Not malicious. And so does he. Who cares about him? Okay.

He's a fucking stranger. Forget about him. Okay. Get over it. I can't even stand these conversations you think you're going to have with this other couple. It's so dumb. Okay.

Have conversations with your girl and start talking about like how you're going to go about your sex life in the future to be like more responsible about it. Whoa. That was not about. Of course. Who cares about those people? It's like what you guys, you guys have to figure it out. You guys are just like this naive young couple in this kind of experience. You know, this is not something. This is like your guys are like in the kindergarten or the preschool of swinging. And you guys have failed this class. You got to start over, regroup, figure it out. And maybe you need to, you know, do some homework before you ever go into that world again. And next time you do, if you do it, you guys have to have more conversations. about it. You have to be smarter about it. And you have to create rules and boundaries and have

lots of discussions. She needs to know what is... Boundaries. Yeah, boundaries. Boundaries. Our boundaries are great. I said it 10 times on this podcast. You just hear the word boundary now? I've said boundaries 10 times.

You were just so stuck on being so upset about her fucking the guy with that economy. You're eventually just going to have to get over. Well, that was the boundary, though. That was the boundary. Yes, but did she know? Did she know? No, you assume that she should just know. You assume that she, because you know. Yeah, I assumed. Right. And you can't. Not when you're, like I said, when you were saying, let's open up and let's go fuck other people and you bring her to a place and there's all these people and then you guys drink and get wasted and you're over here and

she's over there. It's like a free-for-all. It's just a wrong, it was just like a wrong turn. You just like made the wrong turn. You guys just have to get back on track. I would suggest not swinging for a little while. Wait till you get past this. No, it's not going to happen. Yeah, I would wait until you get past this. I would definitely not revenge, fuck anybody. I would definitely not

revenge fuck anybody and don't cheat on it. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. Just sit with your feeling. Yeah, we've all done that. It's like it's so bad. It's so wrong. It's such it's like such a immature thing to do. It doesn't help. No, it doesn't help. You can't fuck the pain away.

No, you can't, right. It's only a temporary fix. What happens is in the long run, it makes things worse. It's like putting fuel on the fire. You want the fire to go out. Just sit with your feeling. Eventually, you'll get past it. And you'll remember why you have a good relationship. And you'll be happy in the future when you don't look back and say like, oh my God, I ruined my relationship over that because I couldn't, you know, I couldn't stand feeling bad for a little while when I was totally wrong myself. You have to take accountability here. Your girlfriend did not straight up cheat on you. Okay. That's not what happened here. So it's not. that. I'm not telling someone, oh, if you're growing cheats on you, you should sit with the feeling and not do anything, you know, but this is a different situation. Just, you know, you're really upset. It's a bad thing, but it's just like one of those things that you've got to fucking swallow and you'll get past it and don't do

anything about feeling bad and talk about a little bit. Listen, be leery about who you talk to about it. Because so many people are just so stupid and they are into revenge and they will give you bad advice and they won't Barbara Walters you like I just did and they'll just hear your side of the story.

and you'll just pitch it your way and they'll be like oh fuck her and they'll get you all fueled up to go like do something bad or make you feel like she's a you know a cunt horror and that's like wrong I'm telling you I'm right about the situation so make sure you don't you know start spreading

this story all over the place and put it in everybody's ears because a lot of people give shit advice no it's true I can't I really can't talk to anybody about it because like you said I brought this upon myself. Right, and she did too, and she feels bad, and you both have to deal with that, but you guys should talk about it together. Forget about that other couple. Forget about SLS,

and just, like, work through this together, and you'll be fine. You guys will be fine. You guys have been friends. I had a situation with a really good friend for a while, and I was sleeping with him, I was having a baby with him, and we got all kinds of messy involved with each other. And I have to say, and I've said this a million times, because things were, like, really bad the whole time we were together and sleeping together. But like what was so great because me and him were like friends for like 15 years before we sort of got into things with each other that like what always was great about seeing him and we were when things were bad was that that friendship was always there. And you know what I'm saying? Like so no matter what we ever went through and no matter how much I

hated him as a guy or whatever was going on with us, like when I was with him or we had conversations or I had to see him or deal with things, it's like we were always great friends. And that's that always sort of was the overall feeling that I had. And that trumps everything. You have that kind of friendship. You have that foundation with her. So you guys could, you know, you could get through this. You'll be fine.

Remember that about her. She's your friend, first and foremost. Yeah. Right? Yeah. You're right. Yeah. So you could deal with the bullshit of her as a girl and you're a guy and you have this

girl guy bullshit relationship thing. you guys were both retarded. And, you know, five years from now, you could laugh at this, how stupid you guys were. Me too. Because I know that you really love her. I know.

I think that that's great. Yeah, and I think that that's important, too, because it's hard to meet people that you like as a person and that you're sexually attracted to and that you trust, because you do trust her for every other way. This is, you know,

and so, you know, it's important to hold on to that because that's not easy to find. It hurts, though. So what? You'll get over it, you baby. So it hurts. That's life. That's life.

Yes, life fucking sucks sometimes. Yeah, that's life, yes. I mean, I know, I'm not like the type of person

that friends should call when they're like crying. Because I'm like, you know, it's like that's sometimes just, you know, life is difficult sometimes.

And that's, it hurts. Yes, it feels terrible. And the shitty thing about hurting is like, nobody could go through it with you. From smiling so much

from just having, this conversation. Good. Space is killing me. See? You're killing me. There you go. That's good.

And you'll be able to listen back to this and laugh some more when you hear it when I air it. So you'll be fine. It's all going to be fine. I mean, the beginning of this is going to be painful for people to listen to because I had to battle with you to get here. There's 19 minutes of you fucking nonsense. But it's good. It's going to be a good episode.

Kathy? Yeah. I love what you do. Thanks. And I'm going to teach you how to do it too. You want to do a podcast. We're going to do a podcast together, me and you one day, not today. Because I have another.

This is, I'm taping three podcasts today. I have to do a podcast at 1230 a. m. tonight with someone else. But me and you are going to tape a podcast about how to start a podcast because you want to do your own one and you're going to do it and I'm going to teach you how to do it. Yeah. So we'll do it.

And we'll tape it so that we could put, I could post it and let other people hear about it because when I wanted to do it, I was helped by like these comedians that, you know, are sort of out there doing it all the time. and they told me exactly what to do. So I have like the good information. So I'll give it to you. I'd love to hear what happens with your girl. Hopefully nothing of any kind of importance will go down between now and a couple of months.

So everything should be good there as long as you don't fuck up. So the next time I talk to you, we'll talk about the podcast. Okay. All right. Good luck. Keep me posted. All right. Let me know.

I will. Thank you so much. No problem. Bye. Okay. I just want to tell you before you go that my book, It's called Strictly Anonymous Confession. Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers is now available not only in paperback and e-book, but you can

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