Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 177 - Andrew's Naughty Massage Encounters

Episode Date: May 8, 2017

Naked Happy Girls founder Andrew Einhorn calls in to talk about his most recent naughty massage encounters with his long term masseuse and his long term friend. How does he turn a regular massage into something totally sexual? How does he get these women to agree to it in the first place? What exactly does he do when during these naughty massages? Tune in to fond out plus hear all about how he also used to get regular women to take their clothes off for photo/video shoots which wound up on Playboy tv. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Strictly Anonymous on the Riotcast network, riotcast.com. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. Conversations with online strangers. We place as online. Craigslist is definitely the gift that keeps on to give it. Real people respond. You go to Singapore or Thailand. You can't not do it.

The temptation is just too much. Does your friend know that you're banging her? No, he has no idea. And anything goes. The motto of the show, let your truth black fly. Probably the only good advice I'll ever give you is to re-hide your whips and change. Here are your hosts, Kathy Kaye and Tom. Hey, welcome to Strickonanonymous podcast.

You want to follow this show at Stipanonymous. So follow me at Cartoon Therapy. If you haven't subscribed to the show, you can subscribe at either riotcast.com back slash anonymous or on iTunes or Stitcher, wherever you listen to my show. If you could write a review, write a review, what else? If you want to be on the show, I'm always looking for people to call in. This is a call-in advice show where I give people advice, where I talk to you about their secret lives and all that kind of stuff.

So if you want to be on the show, send me an email to strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com. What else? Didn't I just say what else? I don't really feel like bringing up anything else. Let's just get right to my caller. I have on a guy named Andrew Einhorn. Now, that's his real name because he happens to be a friend of mine. He was on my show once before because he's like this guy that takes pictures of naked girls.

He's a show on Playboy TV and stuff like that. We talk all about his history on this podcast. We do a more in-depth sort of thing about his naked photography on a previous episode that I did. You could Google that one. I forget the number of it, but it's a really good one. But anyway, the reason why I'm having him on is because he has this whole massage thing going on. It's like a two-part kind of massage thing. I did a 10-minute teaser about it on another podcast where, you know, he's going to like a happy ending or maybe not a happy ending place. He doesn't really know. But he has this like sort of naughty massage thing going on with the girl there. And I had told him about a guy that I had on my show named Craigslistville who did naughty massages with people on Craigslist. And he was like, I'm going to go do that shit.

So he wound up starting to like solicit his friends. And now he's giving like massages, like naked massages, like sexual massages to people. And he was sending me pictures of like the girls naked on a massage table. And I was like, oh, let's have you on. Let's do podcasts about that shit. So anyway, that's what this is all about. It's all about his naughty massage encounters. You know how he got into it, how he gets these girls to do it.

what exactly goes down, all that good stuff. So I'm going to be right back on with Andrew. Do you have a story, lifestyle, or situation you can't talk about to anyone, to anyone? Or do you just want to let your freak flag fly and be on the show? Well, Strictly Anonymous wants to hear from you. Send us an email, Strictly Anonymous podcast at gmail.com with your story and your anonymous name. And remember, everything is strictly anonymous. Strictly anonymous.

Okay, hey, Andrew, welcome to Strictly Anonymous podcast. You're here in person. And I look good. Thanks for having me. Yeah, there you go. You've been wearing glasses. Are those real glasses? Yeah.

Big hipster glasses. No, they look like hipster. What do they make you see? Close. Close. Close. So right there, you're at a distance that's like, I couldn't be with it or without it, but I feel cooler.

And like a sexy professor. Right. So they are hipster glasses. You don't really need them. No, I need them. Oh, well, computer. This is anything close up within about three feet I need. Okay, great.

So let's just get to the point. Okay. So Andrew is here. Andrew, we were going to do just like a quick 20 minute part two follow up to your whole happy ending massage situation that you have going on. We did a little bit in a former podcast. I don't remember the episode, right? Where at the end of a podcast, I just like aired a 20 minute segment with you,

talking about how you were going to a place getting a massage. from a woman. You didn't believe it was a happy ending place. It was a 100% a happy ending place. You were willing, really, or interested in paying the extra money to get the happy ending because you don't even like happy endings, right?

But you wanted to turn the tables and sort of like massage the girl and like naked and I was like you should finger her. We got to the point where I offered you, the show was going to pay you. Because you were like too cheap or something that you didn't want to offer the money.

Because I'm like, if you offer her money, you'll get more. Because you were at the point last we spoke where she was taking off her top, right? Yes, at my encouragement. She was down to her thong underwear. Right, at your encouragement, right? And this is, I was like, the reason why I had you on

is because I thought you had a regular, real masseuse and you were at the point where you like almost were going to bang her. But it turns out that it's not that interesting of a story because it really is a happy ending place. Like this girl would be jerking you on. off in 10 seconds for 20 bucks, right? But you don't want to offer that. So I was like, I bet you anything you could finger her.

Like, just give her some money. I'll pay for it. The show will pay for it, okay? Yeah, you said that, and I still, it's just. I told you, offer $60. Extra on top of my $60 that I'm already paying. Yeah, uh-huh. And to see if you could go to third base with her.

And you were going to do it, but you did it. And so you came back to me and said you had a little bit of, like in addition to that story, right? Like things went a little bit further. And then they went even further in another direction. And that's when I was like, oh, we're doing a whole fucking massage podcast now. Okay. So let's start off just giving the update to the massage girl who massages you,

who you don't think is a happy ending girl, who you last we spoke, you got down to massaging her with her thong on. But there was no touching her tits. Was there touching tits? Yes, it was touching their tits. Yeah, okay. So you had gone to second base.

Yes. Yeah, so what happened after that? And that was very enjoyable. Well, I realized something that you were kind of right because you were saying that everything's about money, money, money, money, money. And what happened was the first time that I did it, I had my hour-long massage, which was great. And at the end, I start massaging her. It started out, as I said, because I felt guilty.

They worked so hard. I like to squeeze people. So I'm grabbing her hand. I'm massaging her back. Eventually, it moved to where I got her on the table, which was a huge thing. and then I extended it. But the bottom line is I was paying a certain amount of money to get a massage, and at the end I was doing her.

Then at the last few times, I said, oh, when I got there, I said, you get on the table first. I was like, this is going to be fun. Let me just do you first, figuring, I don't know, that I could get farther or something. And I did her for 40 minutes. I got to the thing where she's down to her thong underwear. I'm doing everything but her vagina.

And then she went to do me, and she gave me 20 minutes. And I was like that. How much she would normally get? an hour. Right. So that was her hour. That was her hour. 20 minutes or 20 minutes you.

Money. Right. Money. I get it. Right. So I realized at that point. She's at work. I know,

but a lot of times they're sitting around doing nothing. If nobody's there. She's still at work. Right. Well, the last time I went, I said, fuck it.

I'm just, I'm going first. And if she wants to do it afterwards. You went back to the way it was. Yeah, back to the way it was. And I think I gave her 10 or 15 minutes. And then she was like, all right,

that's enough. Otherwise, right, give me more money. So she gave me an hour and I gave her maybe 20 minutes. I would have preferred to keep going. But didn't you go a little farther with her? No. You had gone a little farther with her.

You told me that you had gone a little further. Maybe in the first episode you didn't say, in the first episode like installment of this story of you. Like literally what's so lame about the story is like she could be jerking you off already. Like I said for $20 yet. Instead, you're dragging this out. Okay. Right.

And she would, you could be fingering her too for like 40. I just don't know about that part. I really, yeah, right. I don't know. There's too much Jewish guilt whether I just come up to someone go, hey, can I give you 40 more dollars and stick my fingers in your vagina? Yeah, it's hard.

It's awkward for me. And I develop such a nice rapport with her and we get along so well. I figure that might just like screw it up and then it's gone. I know. And I think in that situation, um, you're wrong. Okay. Because like I said, I think that the, like the sad thing about you, but I think that this might be common with a lot of guys and I'm probably going to burst a lot of guys'

bubbles right now is like I you know I know it's the whole fantasy is that these girls whether their hookers or escorts or high enders or happy ending people or like fetish girls like that they're actually like there because they like you and it's like it's just they're just it's their job you know what I mean I know that you think you're special oh I know I'm special there's no doubt about it I know but everyone that's what everyone that's what everybody things. Yeah. And I'm here to tell you that you're not, but let's pretend that you are.

Okay. Thank you. Okay. And let me just tell you another thing, though, that you do do, and I don't know if other guys do this, that's very bad. A, you don't offer her any money. So you're not going to get farther than you have. I do give you cred, though, for the fact that you have gotten as far as getting her

almost naked. Yeah. Okay. Like, seriously, without paying any extra money. Like, that's pretty good. I still don't believe she's doing it because she likes you. I think she's doing it because she probably, if I was a smart, like, you know, maybe she's, she thinks like, okay, I take off my pants and I show him my ass and I let him touch my titties and then he's going to get hard and he's going to want a happy ending, right? And then, because that's what a regular guy would want some sort of release after that, right?

But like, you're just like the guy that like really just wants to like, you know, so I think that like that's why she goes up her. I don't know. Okay, but this is the problem where you cross the line because you said to me recently, you texted me like, oh, I tried to take a picture of her and she gets mad at me. Like, you try to take pictures. Like, I don't know why, okay, on any level. Like, in one sense you don't want to pay because you think it'll ruin it yet you think that like taking pictures of her is something that is totally cool. Like that is not cool.

Wait, wait, just let me make sure. This is not her naked on the bed in the room. I don't give a shit. Okay, it's just like hanging out in the lobby. Oh my God, it's such an invasion of somebody's privacy. It is totally crossing like an uns, it's like a boundaryless person. I believe you have an issue with boundaries because I know you and we've had conversations about things and I do believe you're a boundary pusher and you don't have a sense of that.

Just naturally. Oh, I definitely push boundaries. But let me just say two other women that I've had massages there have let me take pictures. So it's not like it's this taboo thing. Because some people don't know how. A lot of women especially and I feel sorry for these kind of women because I would say to go fuck yourself. okay. I'm that kind of woman, but I have a lot of friends, you know, that were like not as rebellious and they actually like listen to what people say and they're more, what would be the word. I don't know, nice. That they would just like if you're like push that boundary and you're like right there and you're like going to take a picture and they don't feel bad to say no or they don't know how to speak up for themselves and they let you do it. But it's not necessarily what they want. Especially when these girls are doing something, maybe that's a little bit out of the box for money and maybe they don't feel right about it or they don't want people to fucking know. Do you know what I mean?

That they're like giving hand jumps to guys for money that to have their picture out there. Uh-uh. It's not cool. Like, seriously, you should stop that. Okay. It's not nice to the girl. Mm-hmm. Like, for real.

But I am still trying to get her finger now. Maybe that's not nice either. Okay, forget about the fingering her. Okay. So it's just left at the point where you, you know, can't get any farther. And me and you had a conversation, okay? because we were going to do an update over the phone and we talked about this

that, you know, and I was like, what's in it for you if you don't want a happy ending? If you don't want to have sex with her, if you're not getting it. And you said you really like, it's like horror play. Right, the whole massage. So I told you about a guy on my podcast

named Craigslist Phil who like literally did do that. Like he hooked that up. He put an ad on Craigslist and he literally got girls to come over his house and get naked and he massaged them and he fingered them. That's one of my favorite podcast, the Craigslist Phil. Oh my God, if people go listen to that fucking episode, it was like so fascinating because he was like a Christian guy that didn't believe in cheating.

Yet he was doing all these crazy things and one thing led to another. It was great. But anyway, and so you were like, oh, that's really interesting. I'm going to maybe try that out. Yeah, I'm going to be filmed part two. Yeah. So recently, this is a long intro for you. Recently, just yesterday, you sent me pictures of a naked girl on a table.

And she's fine with that. I just, I would hope so. I would, I would, and you said you like just had your first massage. So I was like, okay, now we have an hour long podcast, okay? Because how the fuck did you get a girl? Because this isn't a girl you're dating, right? Correct. This is like, okay.

It's a friend of mine who actually lives with another guy. But she's a very liberal woman. She likes other women. She has some kinky fetishes. She enjoys being spanked, a little tied up. She likes role playing. I think we didn't get into it so much, but dog collars and being let around, that kind of thing. Oh, I had a friend that was with a girl like that.

Yeah, so she likes everything. And I've known her for maybe, I don't know, five or ten years now. We've developed a nice relationship. We go to the beach sometimes. It seems like a very open, honest thing. She's actually a masseuse and acupuncturist as well. So she has a table, which was a big incentive. And I told her a few weeks ago, as I'd been getting better at massaging my masseuse, I said, I want to practice.

I would love to do a massage on you. She was like, yeah, sure, great. Come on over. So I made an appointment and finally came over. I think this was Monday, like 11 in the morning. And it was really, it was perfect. It's exactly what I was hoping for because she's got a cute apartment. There's a lot of nice air.

There's good light. She's got her own table. I bring my own massage oil because I'm partial to this like Mandarin-tangerine one that I bought it. We don't care where it was bought you go. So I use that. And that was it. I gave her probably 45 minutes. And to me, I know you find this hard to believe, but it is, it's therapeutic.

Like, I really enjoy it. I like the size of someone's calves or arms. It's like taking a exercise ball and squeezing it. No, no, no. I don't, I don't not understand. I love, I'm obsessed with giving people hand massages. Like, I, there's a centering in my, like, brain that happens when I'm using my hands to do something. Yeah.

That's, like, mindless. And like, so I totally get it. Okay. But the whole naked, what I don't get about you. And I've told you this many times because you are, I'll eventually get into who you are, what you do for a living and our other podcast that we did. That's all about your shit and your issues. But what I don't get is that you want to like massage your girl naked.

And when you're massaging these girls, you're like even your your massage girl, you were grazing your hand on her pussy and stuff and her ass. you were mass, you were massing your ass. A lot of ass. Love the ass. Right, but you're doing this stuff and you're not like, it's not arous. It is arousing. It's like, but it's only to a certain extent.

It's not like I have a full heart on and I want to fuck them right there. Right, but that's what I don't get. Yeah. To me, it's almost normal. It's just, you know, that's just the way I'm built. So when you say that, it's like, well, all right, other people are different, but that's, that's just not how I work. It's fun and it gives me an excitement and I'd rather, I was thinking like, do I go home

later and masturbate about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I really don't. I'd rather just masturbate to my kinky Asian porn and not the fact that I gave someone a massage earlier. On one hand, I probably feel like it gives me some extra juice or energy or it builds up something. You know, if you're horny from something, so maybe it adds to something later. It's just like the fluff girl.

Yeah, the fluff girl. I'll buy that. But I'm not jerking off to that later. I truly, yeah, definitely not. So, but okay, but like, so, but I'm just. So how do you, because I think a lot of guys listening to this show, right? Quote unquote, I'll just say normal, but, you know, I think everyone's just who they are. You know what I mean?

I'm just saying, when I say normal, I mean the majority. Okay, that's a better word. The majority of men could not be grabbing her girl's ass, having a naked girl, totally naked nude right in front of them and literally touch them and not be so horny for them to either jerk off there, want to fuck them. men or jerk off later. I mean, some people might say, you're gay. Then you might be gay. We've talked about the fact that you have a little bisexuality. Sure, there's 13%.

Yeah, 13%. Guys, the rest women. Yeah. Right? But you do have a weird thing with sex. Like you have some, you're a little bit, you do have some issues with sex with women. Sure, I'll buy that. Yep.

Right. So that's where that comes from. So the fact that I don't get it is normal. Most people wouldn't get it. it's your issue. But that's okay because I do believe, because this is the thing about Andrew, okay, and this is a little plug for you because you have

a Vimeo page that you could plug. And I think guys would fucking love it. Love it. Especially because nowadays there's like all this like hardcore porn available. Like if you're, it's like a voyeur, it's like a voyeuristic kind of a thing looking at your videos. Because what Andrew does, he's like and you had a show on Playboy TV

I did called Naked Happy Girls. Naked Happy Girls. Okay, it was on Playboy TV. He had books published. He's really great friends with Spencer Tunick who is a mass nude. She want me to take that out? No, I don't care. Okay. Who's like a big, very successful, famous mass nude photographer.

Artist. Artist. Yeah. One thousand percent an artist. And you are an artist too in that you take pictures of naked girls and you had that. But your whole thing was that you would like approach women. You started doing it in New York. But then what the whole Playboy TV channel was about like you did it all over the world.

Right. And you would just find regular women. right? Yes. On the street. I would say regular. I would say women that appeal to me because I have certain taste. And I like artsy, eccentric.

I like ethnic. I'm trying to tart of white girls. And I look for certain things. The jewelry that they wear, the clothes they wear, the way they carry themselves. So it's not just like anybody everywhere. I have a specific taste. And if I can find those people, that makes me even happier. Yeah, but you know what?

I think that looking through your books and I've seen your show, like I've known you for a very long time. And I have to say, you're, your taste. is very eclectic and very across the board. You like all kinds of women. And that's what's amazing. And what I think is amazing about your photography is you take women that maybe other people wouldn't think are attractive and you make them beautiful. All different shapes, sizes, colors, ethnicities, right?

They're mostly young. You're not doing different ages. Correct. Right? But you make women that maybe on a scale, like you could take a six and make her look like really hot. A nine. A six becomes a nine.

A 69 for sure. Totally. And I think. And so you. You could like, you were literally, like, that's what you became successful at. Finding women on the street that you found attractive, going up to them, talking them into the situation where you would be coming over to their house most of the time, getting in their private space, learning about them and getting them naked as you filmed and took pictures. Correct. At first it was just a picture thing, but then you started filming and now that's what your whole Vimeo page is.

Yes, mostly video. Where you could see all these regular girls, just regular girls. These are not porn stars. These are not escorts. They're not girls that are being. See, they're pretty cute regular girls. No, no, no, I'm getting to that. Okay, sorry.

Okay, my whole point is that, you know, sometimes you're watching porn and you're like, okay, these girls are just doing this because they're getting paid. Yes. These are regular, I think that there's a voyeuristic hotness to that scenario. Yeah. Right? This is the regular girl. Plus, you're in their house and they're getting naked and I, like a psychologist.

Right, I get them to talk and feel comfortable. Yeah. Yeah, so this is a regular girl on the street. I think what separates most of my Vimeo videos from everyone else because people, constantly. Every time I put a new video, they're like, hot chocolate likes it, butternut likes it. And I'm spread out over hundreds of other people's pages. And I look at their other pages and it's a woman dancing to hip-hop music and it's hip-hop music. And it's like, it's 95% music. And I write sometimes, I would like to hear this person talk. So my

stuff is 95% of the woman talking. I hardly ever used music. Yeah. And I think that that's what makes it hot because you really, it's like the girl next door. Right. But these girls are all different, they're not just like the regular blonde hair, blue-eyed, a button-nosed girl next door. This is like because you find so many different types of women attractive. Like I think you could really open people's eyes up to seeing like hotness and all kinds people. But I actually think men are wired that way to begin with. You know what I mean? Women or people think that most guys just like blonde hair, big tits, skinny girls. But I think sexy is sexy, right? I say that all the time on my show and you really make these

women look sexy. I also think though when you say I make a six into a nine, I think my Sixes are really sevens because I can see through like what other people don't. I remember specifically there was an Indian woman who looked like a Lois Lane and an office was kind of conservative and I could see she had a nice body and she had a good face and I think you take off the glasses and you let the hair down and clothes come off and she was smoking and people were like I would not have realized that. Yeah, I don't think that they become not. I don't think that they're sixes without.

I think like you show them in a light and you bring that out because you make them comfortable. But yeah, these girls are not busted, but they're all different shapes and sizes. I mean, they're not totally all skinny. I mean, you're not doing BBW people, but you have like... All different body types and skin colors and ethnicities. I personally have a preference for brown skin and Asian and Middle Eastern and South American. So if I had my way, I'd probably ditch white girls altogether, nothing personal to her, your viewers. But Columbia, Venezuela, India, Israel, Thailand, Japan, Indonesia, Philippines. But I think a lot of people would say those are the hottest women of those places, right?

Absolutely. Yeah. So, and you, but I've seen regular American girls too. True. On your thing, right? So it's across the board. And so people could go to your video page

and really see like the regular girl who's probably never got naked in front of somebody really doing it in their place talking about themselves. So I think it's kind of hot to have that nowadays, especially because you could get anything you want for free. Yes. Right. Okay, cool.

So if you want, what's your Vimeo page? You want you give that out to people to go check out. It's Vimio.com slash Naked. happy girls. Okay, there you go. And you should check it out. Yeah. And do they ever air your show still on Playboy TV?

I don't know, because I don't get it anymore. People still come up to me in the street and said, oh, I just saw this episode, so I assume they do. And basically, they took my half hour show, cut it in half into segments. So now they are 12-minute segments. And I get the feeling when Playboy needs to fill a 12-minute slot, they put on a naked happy girl. Yeah, that's cool.

Do you get resented? Do you get paid for that? No. No. What kind of agent did you have that negotiated that deal for you? Cereable one. Yeah, totally. Okay.

So let's get back to... But I own all my own material and that was part of our deal. Yeah, I had a really good idea. I told you what you should do is like a then and now, right? Like in, okay. Yeah.

Try to find, you know, like 20 of the girls that you had at 20 and see what they are now at 40 something. Now some people might be going, like, you know, whatever. Like what people do, it's like so terrible. But I think it would be so interesting, the aging process. No, it would be, listen, when I,

And you can make it beautiful. I'm not necessarily uching the way that they'll look not as good. I'm uching the process because people are flaky. And if I have to try to find 20 people that I photographed before, they're disappeared, they're all over the world, they're now mothers and school teachers. Oh, yeah, you'd have to go out to 100. Yeah, it would be very difficult, and that's what I dread.

Right, right, right. But the idea in itself, sure, I'd like to see somebody at 45 naked that I shot at 25. Yeah, I'm okay with that. Yeah, I think it would be really cool. And women these days... Yeah, I mean, come on, I'm 48. Right, you look fantastic. And you look right there, just in a pink bathroom and nothing else.

As though it's hard not to keep looking at you. No, it's beautiful. You have nothing to hide. I do have a pink bathroom, but it's over my shirt and jeans. Oh, I don't see the shirt and jeans. Forever the photographer, the dirty photographer. Okay, so. Yeah, so now I want to do other people.

So I did one massage and I want to keep it going. No, let me just, I need to get back to this girl. Okay. You said a lot about her, okay? And I've seen her naked and I'll explain what she looks like. a nice ass. Great ass. I don't like those tits. There's no tits. Okay. Small, but pleasant. Okay. Right. Um, how old? 34, I would say. Mm-hmm. Good body. Good body. Right. So how do you know? So you said you know her and she's dating a living boyfriend. Are you friends with him too? I have hung out at the beach with him a few times.

Okay. It seems like a good guy. But you say you know that she's into like a lot of fetish and stuff. Yes. She just always like revealed all the sexual stuff to you as a friend? Yes. And what kind of fetish, like, what is she, like, maybe I should have her on my show. Like, what is she into? She'd be good. Probably be good on your show. Totally. I'm sure she would. Kind of soft spoken, but the words carry and mean something.

Yeah. She's, as I said, going to acupuncture school. She's getting her, I don't know, master's doctorate degree. No, what are the fetish stuff that she's into? Oh, I don't know all the specifics. I definitely know she likes spanking because maybe we did that once. She loves the fingernails because when I first told her about how I love at the end of massages, the fingernails. Wait a second.

What do you mean we've done that? before. When did you start kind of fooling around with her and does her boyfriend know? And do they have an open relationship? They have an open relationship. I'm not sure if he knows that. I don't think he would care because she gets to do whatever she wants. And I wouldn't say fooling around. It was one specific session because I wanted to see what toys she had lying around and we were playing with different paddles. And I was sort of saying, well, let me see what this one feels like. Let's see what that goes. Oh God. That's not spanking. Right. So it wasn't like a sexual thing. Well, it still was sexual. I mean, it was eight to 11 minutes of various spankings. And I think she enjoyed it so I didn't have sex with her while I was spanking her but I think it was

sexual have you ever had sex with her no no that was it that's the extent of it the massage and the spanking and a little bit of lightful light play touch on the beach and in a movie once but in a movie yeah do you guys like hold hands no okay but I mean so she she's allowed to fool around with other guys does she tell you about her other people in her life no but she would I just don't bring it up a lot I know I make little references because she would mention like if I show her a picture of a beautiful woman, she'll say, oh, God, I would like to be in a dog collar, you know, on a leash with her. And I'm like, okay.

Well, that gives me some information. But I don't say, tell me about your affair a week ago who was putting what fingers where and what happened. Well, it's mostly women or she's with guys too? I think it's more women than men, but I'm not sure. Right. Okay. And you don't, do you get the sense that maybe she would be interested in like having sex with you on the side? Oh, I'd put it about a 40% chance.

Of yes. Yes. Of yes. Okay, so how did it come about that? You said, hey, by the way, would you like to have a naked massage? I mean, because it's one thing. She was naked. There was no.

What do you mean assumed? I don't know. I'm in a world where I get a massage and I'm naked and she's a masseuse and she's... What do you mean you're naked? When you go to get a massage, you're naked, but there's towels over there. Oh, yeah, but my towels come off quickly. Right, because you were not at a happy ending place. Because you were at a legit massage place.

Well, listen, for the first six years, the towel stayed on. I'm telling you, this place, a person made it clear that they were not. doing happy ending stuff. It was only years later when someone else came in that that person was okay with it. So I still, I think your theory that it's all happy ending at this one place is not true. I think some people, yes, and some people know. Okay. But anyway, get back to this story. Yes. So she actually wrote me in an email. Funny, I just assumed you're going to be naked. It's just the type of rapport we have. But she wrote in an email, she said, I might prefer to be naked. And I was like, well, duh. And actually, I joked. I said, I said, I only do women in fur coats,

as in like, you know, no. Yeah. So, but here's the thing. When I came over, I said, I actually would like to start with a towel over your butt because I don't feel more professional. I really want to take this as like a pro thing. So eventually the towel came off.

But, you know, I... But that's like the hot fantasy, I think. Yeah, it's kind of hot. Hotter that way. You know, yeah, that's like the fantasy, right? If everyone has like that masseuse fantasy, right? Yeah.

It's sort of like you go and the fantasy is that this person, this person is a legit massage. person, right? And they just get so sort of horny. And like you're just crossing the line doing something extremely naughty. Right. That shouldn't be done. Yeah.

Naughty. So yeah. So the towel in the beginning, of course, is a part of the whole thing. You're like role playing at that point. Yeah. So she, but when, how do you come about that you say to her, hey, by the way, I'm like interested in giving massage? Is that what you said?

Yeah, absolutely. It was just like that. It was like, it was like being on your show a few weeks ago. I was like, well, I'm really enjoying this. It makes me feel good. It's, you know, part sexual, but part. therapeutic and I thought who of my friends could I practice on? I want to get better at this

and definitely there is the sexual element it's like I don't have girlfriends that much and to be able to I love getting massages you need a physical touch this is providing filling a void of being able to physically touch someone else so an hour yeah for sure yeah and I and it was great it was exactly what I hoped and I was good at it and it's funny I was just thinking and you had never seen her naked

oh I'd seen her naked before oh I photographed her twice naked before Oh, okay. Yeah. Just for on your, she on your vimia? She is not, I have not put that up yet. Okay, but she's done shoots with you before. Yes, maybe it was just one.

She did a, she came over for a bubble bath shoot because this is a theme that I've been doing. My second book is bubble bath girls. Uh-huh. And then at the beach, she goes topless. It's like,

I'm not going to go to a beach unless I can be topless. So you can find her Jacob Rees beach over there near the Rockways. And I think maybe I had her just quickly take off her bottoms at the beach, you know, just for fun because I think she,

She enjoys that kind of thing. Right. She's a very free-spirited woman. Right. And sexual. Like very open sexually. Yes. Right.

Right. But like, do you think that she's getting horny while it's going? Yeah. I think so. To what extent I don't know. And this was a point where I'm thinking, okay, before I go, where is the line and what's going to happen with this? Yeah.

And she says I would prefer to be naked. Yeah. Which I assumed all along anyway. But, yeah, got to the point. And I, you know, I don't know. I don't know if she said, let's have some. sex whether I would have done it with her or not. She does live with another guy. Yeah, maybe 50. It's hard for me to know, but I felt like I didn't want to just say, can I give you a massage and I'm going to

come over and start fondling you like your other guy? Maybe this is not the same as putting an ad on Craigslist and assuming. So I didn't want to assume anything, but as she's getting naked, or, you know, as I had her turn over, flip over to the other side and I'm doing both sides. And I definitely did her boobs, not like, I'm just going to go right there and squeeze them and grab them, but it was sort of a gentle, you know, caress. Right. So you'd have massaging her, really, at that point. You're fondling her.

Yeah, I would say so, but it's sort of a fondle massage. Mm-hmm. Right. And, yeah, I, you know, there was little body language and sounds that come out that imply this is very pleasurable. Like what? Like, I mean, she was moaning? Yeah, I would say sort of low moans, uh-huh.

And as you say, nipples getting a little bit harder. Right. Yeah, not like incredibly so, but, um, so I, you know, I played with that for, I don't know, five or ten minutes. And then I thought, all right, I want to sort of end it here. If I, now do I just stick my hands in her vagina? I would have felt sort of uncomfortable with that. Because maybe the next time, if there's a next time.

But when you say uncomfortable, uncomfortable, because you would be uncomfortable with it or uncomfortable because you feel like she would be uncomfortable with it? Maybe a little of both, probably more on my end. But I can't be, I'm not sure. I don't know what else to add to that. I mean, I felt, I would have felt a little bit guilty, but then I was just saying, hey, can I come over and give me massage?

I'm really interested in it, but I secretly just want to, you know, stick my hands in your vagina. Did you want to stick your hands in her vagina? Yeah, a little bit. You did? Uh-huh. But not for 20 minutes.

Thank God. If you said no, I was really going to be like, oh my God, we don't have enough time to psychoanalyze you. And she's hairless, so I like hairless vaginas. Right, okay. Yeah, but at the same time, maybe this goes to the sex issue,

all of a sudden you get over line and it becomes a little bit like work. I mean, I've, you know, women like to be, please. Then if it turns into a 20 minute thing, I've had times where I'm trying to get a woman off and it's like after 20 minutes I'm tired. This is not fun anymore. It's just a matter of maybe women feel the same way too. It's like, oh my God, this guy is taken forever. I'm an orgasm and I'm getting tired of jerking them off or like I already came and I don't want to keep going. So, you know, you get to a point where it was just like easier this way. Because you were like, you had massaged already for like

an hour. Yeah, 45 minutes. Right. So you didn't want to put in the the work. Yes. And there was the bit of awkwardness. I'm not sure. Again, I'm like, I didn't want to feel like I just came over and said under the auspices that we're going to have a good massage and that I'm going to start, you know, sticking my hands inside you.

Right. But sometimes those things just happen naturally. Right. And maybe this will happen with the next person. Bring her in. Come on in, Samantha. I mean, no. I mean, who's the next?

Do you have somebody? Yeah, I have someone else that I want to do next. Okay. So how does it end with her? Like, does she, so I'm assuming like a, I don't, I don't. know. I gave her ride into the city. Okay, but she got dressed and she was like, thanks, and that was like it was a done-up. Yeah, we resumed our normal conversation about whatever we're talking about, and it was no big

whoop. We just kept going. Okay, cool. Mm-hmm. Which you've seen her naked before. Yes. She's super open sexually. No big deal. Yeah, no big deal. Nothing really happened. No, but the next person, it might be a little bit different. So how do you get another person interested in this? You ask them and say, hey. Who was this person in your life? This is somebody I've been friends with probably 15 or 20 years who used to live in my building, so I got to know her there. And we just sort of stayed in touch and become friends of late because I think we're both single and looking for different things.

I'm not looking for her and she's not looking for me. But we've gone out together and met at events just to have fun like, oh, do you want to go to this thing? It would be nice to hang out with you. And she likes to hang out with me. So I don't know. There's not a lot of women that I could think of that I have the courage enough. I think she's a real New Yorker, you know, a little bit quirky and open, and she's been very honest at times and say, I don't like you do this. This sucks. So I feel like she's going to tell me if she doesn't want to do it. And I said, I know this may seem weird and awkward, but I'm getting practicing doing massages and I would love to do it. I'll come up to where you live. And she said, sure, fine. Yeah, but does she know it's a naked massage? Oh, I think I wrote, you can keep your underwear on. Like, I don't want to massage someone unless they're in less than an underwear.

You can't do it. So that's how I left it, and we didn't discuss it in depth. So I just assumed she's going to be naked with a thong on, whether or not she wants to turn over after a while, because that sort of changes the dynamic of a massage. Yeah, right, right, right. I mean, and the towel, you're going to start off with a towel. I mean, to me, if I go over to somebody's place and they're going to give a massage, I want my towel to stay on.

I mean, unless this is a guy that I'm interested in, good date. You know what I mean? Right. You got you and her have never gone there. with each other. No, we have not. Right. There's never been that sort of talk.

I mean, nothing's ever happened. Correct. So she might just be thinking that you're looking to give her. I think most people, I don't know, would just think it's a legit massage. I get why the girl in the dog collar is like, oh, I prefer to be naked. I mean, she's totally. That's her. Yeah, yeah, totally.

But like this girl, if she's not out there so much sexually too, she might just be assuming it's because you said, oh, I'm just been getting into giving massages. Would you be interested? And she might just think you're giving her a regular. massage. Yeah, could be. And is that okay with you? No.

Well, what do you mean when you say regular as in a non-sexual thing? Like I'm not going to be putting my hands on A, B, or C. Yeah. Like, hold on. Like, yeah, like, yeah, like you're not going to be touching. Hold on. You're like, yeah, like you're not going to touch her tits. You're not going to see her tits.

So the towel's going to stay on. What happens if like you go to take her towel up and she's like, what the fuck are you doing? Then I'll put it back. This is, it's very open. I have no idea what's going to happen. I'm open to any. thing, but it'll be sort of a fun experiment so I can come back and tell you what happens. Yeah, maybe I should have waited to have you on to see what happened with that girl.

But like, so you have a plan, but you don't know where it's going to go. Right. I mean, and I like that. I enjoy the, I have no idea what's going to happen. But I want to, as I said, legitimately, I really love the massage thing. I was going to tell you earlier that I realized that two thirds of the time my eyes were closed because it's a little bit spiritual. And when I'm feeling someone's body and because I've had massages for so long and I can feel

what they're doing. I mean, there's a real art to it. You're going between muscles and you're pushing and you're prodding and you're pulling. And even I do feet and hands. And I think a lot of people just sort of skip over that. No, you really can dig with a foot. You can really dig. And it's great. So I'm almost as I'm doing it, I'm feeling, I'm like doing it to myself. Like I'm feeling this is what I would like. And at the end, the masseu said, she goes, you did feet amazing. And she said, you did something on the back of my calf that I never felt before with doing these two fingers thing. So she gave me a little critique almost, you know?

So I don't know. I'm definitely looking forward to the next one. I hope she doesn't flake out. And as far as... What's interesting is that like you, as much as it's a spiritual thing for you, like, you can't allow you, and even though you're not interested in getting fully off sexually, you needed to be still in between both those things. Like if it, like, why not then just do a regular massage?

Like you said, you'll be unhappy if it doesn't stand. Well, what do you mean by regular? Regular meaning, like the towel doesn't come up, but you're just doing that whole energy thing that you just talked about. All of that, none of what you just explain that you're getting into has to do with sex. A towel staying on is okay. I mean, I just, it makes it, I don't want somebody wearing clothes, obviously, because it's too difficult. No one wears clothes with a massage, but no one turns around with their tits out in the room and their thong on and you grabbing their ass. Right.

But I assume a woman, if you go to St. Thomas and you get a massage, I mean, maybe you have a towel, but maybe it's, It's not completely covering you? Do you ever do it where it's just on your ass and not your face down? Yeah, but your face down. Do you ever flip over and your face up? I don't really know. But I'm not a big massage person. I don't enjoy getting massages.

Oh, I know. I feel so bad. It's the best thing in life. Yeah, I know. I don't like it. I'm like, not one of those. I think something is an issue. They're not doing it right.

That's the problem. What? No, they are. Do you want me to do it right? No, I definitely know what I'm really good at it. You're kind of massage, okay? I just told you. The towel stays on me when I get a massage.

Not interested. But I like the opposite. I like to give a massage. And I think the massage fantasy of like, oh, going in and having a massage, you know, like that fantasy. I'm getting fucked by a masseuse by like just, you know, but someone legit that isn't. Like that's hot. Yeah. In a weird way.

But not your way where it's like blatantly like this is what we're doing. But maybe it's not so blatant. I don't know. I'm curious of what happens with this friend of yours. Yeah, me too. Do you think there's a chance that maybe she's interested in you other than a friend? Yes. So she's looking at this as like, oh, this could be a good segue into just hulking up with you.

Which would be good for her and for you. Yes, but she knows, I told her at one point. I had like when we started to get back together recently, more frequently, I thought, you know, I looked at pictures of us together and people are like, you really, you guys look great together. And I thought, okay, maybe. And then I started it. And then, oh, no, like a lot of other people soon after I went. This is not going to, she's a little bit wacky.

And I like brown people and she's very white. You're very wacky. Yeah. Okay. But like not good wacky. Getting a little. We went to see a show like a comedy show in some place or not comedy, but something funny on stage. And somebody near her was a little bit sick or sneezing.

And she literally was like having a panic attack yelling at this person. I can't stand this. I can't. I got to get out of here. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Stop.

Look, she's sniffling over there. She's got a thing. And it was like this relentless. And I know I've said a few things with her. And it's like all of a sudden you go a little bit over the edge. And it's the most horrible thing ever. I like people that can just take anything. They were like, ah, I wouldn't go there.

Wait, she couldn't handle the sick person nearby. Andrew, I can't get sick. I can't get sick. Oh, that's what it wasn't. It wasn't even about the noise. That was funny enough to me. It was the unsanitary nature of having somebody near you just sick. And listen, I can understand.

It's like you're in closed quarter. You don't want to get sick. How old is she? 15. Oh, no. I'm just kidding. The, I'd say late 30s. Oh, she's late 30s?

Yeah. Maybe even early 40s, but she looks very good for her age like we all do. Yeah, it's not about that. It's about like I think that what happens when you stay single for most of your life. And you never appear. You become less and less and less and less and less and less and less and less. What is the word, you know, not accepting, tolerant of things because you're so used to being alone and sort of controlling your world.

Yes. Maybe you being very intolerant of even just this little thing about her. Yeah. Yeah, there's other things too. I mean, we've been together enough for me to realize like, oh, oh, this would never work. It's just. She's not for you. Maybe two wacky people together isn't a good combination.

Yeah, but I'm a friendly, fun wacky. I don't get like edgy and, and. bitter to people if something crosses a line. I'm on the opposite. If someone does something, I'm like, oh, well that's funny. I'll sort of make light of it, but this is like, this biting thing. And I don't like that. I need to

be amongst people that just are pleasant and things don't rattle them that much. Right. Are you sexually attracted to her? A little bit, but not enough. Because she's still a white girl with freckles and you know me with ethnic. Right, but maybe when you see her

naked. Yeah, I have seen her naked. But it was 15 years ago. Yeah, not bad. Oh, she could be in your then and now book? Yeah, she could. Right? Yeah, I'll send you pictures of her on the massage table and you can tell me what you think. Oh, my God, I get these pictures.

Like, all of a sudden, I'm like, I forget where I was, but I was out in public and I'm like, oh, my God, is anyone behind me? You know, because they can see your picture. I love that. And this happens with my hockey boys all the time because I got a list of 30 men who, when we're deciding whether we're going to play, I'll say, hey, Andrew Einhorn's going to play. And then here's six pictures. And then the financial guys go, you just, I open my computer and you say, sent naked women, please warn me next time. Well, this is what I'm going to tell

a really funny story about Andrew, because this is really true. And I might have said this before, but this is where your boundarylessness and like the whole sending out of things that could get you in trouble. A long time ago, I was working in an office, like, you know, and around

major money people. Okay? And this one guy had told me that he was dating a very well-known, yoga instructor in the city. He was a younger guy and she was older than him. That's all he basically told me, but he said she was really hot and he was in a long-term relationship with her.

And then they broke up. And one day you sent me an email, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And in your salutation, right? That's a correct word? Sure. You put a picture of, oh, here's some pictures of my yoga teacher, naked. You had done a shoot with this yoga person

and you sent me like a full-on naked pictures of her that you took. And I'm thinking to myself, oh my God, imagine that's that guy's ex-girlfriend. Like, what are the odds? It's probably not going to be. But I decide to call him over and say, hey, look, is this your ex-girlfriend? Do you know? What are you looking at me surprised? I never knew you called him over.

I thought it was a random I just happened to see. Oh, my God. No, I'm so upset at you. This changes everything. So I call him over, and it turns out that it was. Are you sure you didn't know that and recognize him? Like, I'm going to get Andrew. Oh, please.

That's not my style at all. I'm not, no. No fucking way. You know, come on. Do you think that's my style? To try and get your trouble? The last thing I thought was that he was going to say yes. Sure.

Like, swear to God. Like, seriously. It was like I was just throwing shit against the wall and it happened to stick. Like, holy fucking joke. I couldn't believe it that it was. And not only was it his girl, he was horrified. And I was like, please don't do anything about this. like, oh my God, like, he just sent it to me and like, you know, I just didn't want to cause a problem with you and with her and with him. And he's like, and no, it turned into a whole big thing. You don't remember.

Oh, I do remember. She got really mad at you. She got furious. Yeah, it was horrible. Horrible. Yeah. So maybe what I'm trying to tell you is like I can't believe you haven't learned from that experience that you're still sending out pictures to your hockey team.

How do you know one day you're not going to send out a picture and he's going to be like, oh my God, that's my ex-girlver or that's my wife's daughter or... The thing is all my shoots that I do are legit and I get releases. It's not like this is some scandalous thing. I mean, I get a release from people saying it's okay. You can use my picture in a book or a magazine or an exhibit. Right. But that's a different than in a hockey team, you know, email or when you're emailing me,

like just as a friend. That's not what these people are signing up for. That's all I'm trying to say. Well, the lines are blurry. They're, I guess. I just assume when you're doing something like that, you're putting yourself out there. And if it's for A, B, C, or D, why not E? You know, it's, I don't know.

I just think that there is a difference. But that's where, you know, your sort of thing with boundaries. Because I know that you're not a douche. You're not a creepy guy and you don't have obviously like a weird sexual thing that you're doing this so you're not sending the stuff out. Like I said, you're not creepy about it. I don't think any of these girls would sign up to do it if you were. I think that lack of sexuality that you have, that dysfunctional part of you that doesn't really take sex to the full place. I think is the reason why women feel comfortable getting naked in front of you, you know, because on some level they know that.

like you're not going to go there. You know, it's a very different. Like as a woman, when I'm walking down the street, sometimes it's just horrifying to just walk past a pack of men. Because you know they're just going to be checking you out and saying shit. You know, imagine taking off your clothes in front of that kind of man. Do you know what I mean? And being completely naked.

But if you got a guy like you who's like, I don't know, you're not that horny. I don't know what your deal is. We tried to analyze it in our first podcast. But keep in mind, there have been affairs. I've had sex with some of the. women I photographed. And I fooled around with a lot, not a lot, but a decent amount. People are like, it looks like you're having sex with every one of these girls.

And I was like, well, three and a half, but I fooled around. What do you mean? Well, whatever. I just try to be funny. But there's been a lot. I've made out with a lot. I've given oral sex to a lot. Some have given oral sex to me.

There's a lot of in-betweens. It's not like I've had. Oh, okay. Thank God. Yeah. Okay. You're not as pure tannical as I thought. No, no, no, no.

You know, I've probably done 500 shoots. And if I really looked at it, it might be even more like, 700 and I don't know. I'm not going to throw out a number, but there might be between 30 and 40 women that I've either fooled around with their had sex with. Okay. All right. That's cool. Yeah.

Okay. But I also, and this goes back to my fashion days. I remember when I was shooting models in Philadelphia and they warned you like, do not, you know, be careful. Some models get topless, but don't hit on them. Do not hit them. You're fucked. You're, your status.

You're a very good photographer and you're working your way up and you've got to be so careful, especially because these girls are 17, 18, 19, be careful. So there's always that lesson hanging over my head that if I'm photographing somebody naked and you earn their trust and then you make the wrong move and it's happened once or twice and I'm like oh shit I just crossed that line. I thought we were getting along and I thought there was an interest and then it wasn't there and I felt horrible because I don't want them telling someone else. Andrew tried to pull down my pants while we were shooting. Yeah, that would make you creepy. Yeah. You know, for sure.

If it happens naturally it does. And that's what I guess maybe you're just sort of. going down the massage path in the same way. Yeah, something happens naturally and we're both into it, great. And if not, it's okay. Right. But it is still a little bit. It is like the naked happy masseuse.

There's my next book. Yeah, there you go. You're doing it the same way. I mean, they are totally naked. So anyway, I mean, good luck with this next girl. Thanks. And if any of your viewers, no people that want the same, I'm, you know, ready to go. What, you're soliciting my viewers for massages?

Well, I was thinking if like they knew people, oh, I know this girl. She's 35 and she's Filipino. She loves massages. Trust me, if they knew that, my list, they'd be massaging them themselves and then fucking them afterwards. Don't you think. I don't know. They're not me, though.

It's not as easy as you think it is. And that's why I'm having you on because I think that maybe a lot of guys would want to do this or they, you know, to get a friend, two friends. You know, when you've managed to get two. But I think it's a lot different because we live in New York City. you're a creative person. You live in that artsy sort of world where, you know, girls want to walk around with dog collars and fuck other girls and they have

boyfriends. You know, it's a little bit more, you know. Yeah, London run in liberal circles. And I love that. Yeah, yeah. So it's like, more of that, a lot of times I'm talking to people in the middle of the country who have these

sort of desires and they're finding it very hard because they have to post ads and they have to solicit strangers and maybe there's girls out there that want to be walk around dog collars that are as sexually free as your girl, but they're doing it either behind closed doors or there. keeping it sort of under wraps, you know, but, you know, it's easier for you because you're here so people can live vicariously through you. So hopefully your next massage, you know, is a little bit more interesting. I'll do my best.

I mean, the whole thing's interesting, but like, you know, that you go a little further. I don't know why I'm so into the whole fingering thing. You are or you're not? I don't know why. No, I know that I'm always bringing it up like, oh, can you try to? Because I think because you've done everything else and I want something new. It really jumps to the next level. Fing somebody is a little different than the breasts and, you know.

So yeah once you do that I think you have to make them come Yeah I mean you touch someone's tits and not get to cut Like so like if I'm pulling around with a guy And I don't want it to get far like second Like you go to a second base and then you stop But once they go down your pants

It's like ridiculous like yeah you go down my pants But stop like you could do that But we're not doing anything else Yeah Like you know so I just think that like once you go there And if a girl lets you there Then she expects because she's going to get horny Right and she's going to get a rouse

And then she's going to want to have I hope so orgasm And then you're going to have to do the work Right. Okay. He looks very sad right now. Yeah, work is not fun. You don't like to get girls off.

You don't have that sort of... No, I just don't know. Maybe I've been thinking of like some recent ones where it was very hot out. So it's like... Hot out? Hot as in, you know, you're in a room. Like you have air conditioning? Well, they might...

Their place. Right. So yeah, in the summer and it's 85 degrees and you're working and working and it becomes just a task like you're digging a ditch. Yeah, that's the weird thing. Because I think most of the time when people are really... into sex and they're really having it. They're not thinking about like the temperature or, you know, that just might be that you're not,

you know, maybe things all have to be a certain way for you, for you to be with the right person that you really like me. Maybe you're a little bit wired more like a girl that you have to like really like somebody to be fully into it. Definitely. There's definitely that. Of course. Yeah.

Uh-huh. Yeah, even kissing somebody, which is so intimate. And if they go to my Vimeo page and see this woman that I just put three clips up and I'm going to put one more, I asked her at the end. I said, do you like to be kissed? And she said, I do. but it has to be with a special person that got to know what they're doing

because not everybody has the right, you know, breath or the way they do it and with your tongue, it's such a personal thing. I mean, kissing, as you know, is even more personal than sex a lot of times. Oh, yeah, I think a lot of people,

even like a lot of escorts and, like, they'll be like, oh, yeah, I will do that, you know, but I won't kiss somebody. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. It is much more intimate than, like, having sat, like.

Right, and if you're having a relationship with someone, you're going to start with kissing. So, I have to really like them to want to kiss them and you're not going to have sex with them unless you generally kiss them. So A has to lead to B. No, not necessarily.

My booty call, Tommy, I've talked about this and we had an episode about this. He was my host and, you know, I fucked him for eight years. I never kissed him once. I didn't like his mouth. I didn't like his lips and I didn't like kissing him. And I had sex with him constantly all the time.

I never kissed him. Oh, that's good to know. And it was good sex. Uh-huh. Weird, right? No. Weird. It's weird because like,

You know, I've had really good chemistry of people that I could like literally make out with them for like three hours and the making out was the hottest thing. Do you know what I'm saying? Like it was like so hot yet the other like that guy I couldn't we couldn't kiss him if you paid me a million dollars but like fucked him all the time. Right. We didn't even do anything else. It was like meat and potato sex but it was good. You know all different things are really good all different times, you know? Yeah. So I think that you can. I'm not sure I realize that there are there other women out there like you that it's like sex is okay. I don't want to kiss you but I'm happy to have sex. with you? Well, I was, I had needs because I was not the same person that I had like boyfriends all the time, but I would like to get late a lot, like I was horny. So it was like, and because I didn't like to sleep around with the different people. And this guy, there was something about like his body

and his dick, like it just worked for me. It was like a light switch. Like I could just get turned on by him in two seconds. No kissing, no nothing. It was purely physical. It was a physical body the way that it was. And so he could, I could literally just, we could get right to it. And it could be seven minutes long.

and we could both come and it could be done. So I would sometimes go there on like lunch breaks when he lived close to my office. Yeah, and it was like a two-minute thing. It was a service call. Can you send me those pictures? Because I'd like to see them. There was never any pictures. Oh, crap.

We never took pictures. It was not like that kind of situation. I didn't really like him. My favorite story about him, and this is so like an old married couple. Because we were like having sex for so many years, eight years I had been with him for so long that it was like the sex aspect of it was like a married couple, right? And there was one time where like I went over his house and we were going to

go, and we went over his house and I was like really hungry and I got to his house and I think maybe I had my period or I just wasn't horny so I didn't want to get off but I would always give him a blow job. You know what I mean? So I'm like blowing him and it's like taking him a long time to come. And so like I'm just like oh my God because I'm fucking starving. And so I get up and I look at him and I'm like,

can you please think of somebody else because like I really need this to happen fast because I'm really hungry. And he looks at me. He's like, do you think I'm thinking about you? Oh! Ooh. Not ooh. That's hilarious.

Okay. What do you mean am I okay with that? I could care less. I mean, that's hilarious. It's funny to me. I just don't know like a woman. I would think most women would freak out of that.

You're thinking of somebody else want? I didn't like him and I'm sorry, but after you're with someone for a long time, sometimes your mind has to wander and I totally get that. I would not care. I do not care. Even if I love the person, it doesn't matter who you use, what you use.

It doesn't fucking matter. No, that was hilarious. Here I am thinking like, please think of somebody else and just come already. And he's thinking like, I'm really not fucking thinking about you. That's like real life to me. You know a woman after she's with someone for so long and you know you have them.

Who do I care what he's fucking thinking about? I'm thinking about the steak dinner that we're having. Okay. So like think about Pamela Anderson and let's get going. Right. Yeah, no, I didn't care. I thought it was like the best comeback ever. Like I could a high five.

Yeah, that was good. Yeah, that should be part of a curb your enthusiasm episode. Yeah, because to me it's so real life. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. It really is. Like did I even think? Like he was thinking about me?

Like, what was I fucking thinking? So anyway, so yeah, it was that kind of sex. I don't know how I got on that story, but it was a good story. But we'll end with that. Okay. So good luck with your next thing. Thanks. We'll just have a quick update next time for your next massage.

Unless you fuck her, then maybe we'll talk about it. Okay. But come back and tell us more and good luck. Thank you. All right, bye. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers,

is now available not only in paperback and e-book, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17

different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck story. There's a gang-bang girl story.

Like I said, 17 stories. and they're all told in the third person, and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person, and I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like Penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right?

But these are true stories, 17 of them. They're really short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two, and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format, and finally, the audiobook is available coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint, okay? There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me, okay?

I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other. and that's what you get to do there. You can post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you can win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be.

It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private, like I said. All you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audio book, the ebook or the paperback. Send it to me at Strictly Anonymous Podcast. at gmail.com. That's strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com. And I will send you the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in. This is the strictly anonymous podcast. Do you have a story,

lifestyle, or situation you can't talk about to anyone, to anyone? Or do you just want to let your freak flag fly and be on the show? Well, Strictly Anonymous wants to hear from you. Send us an email, Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com with your story and your anonymous name. And remember, everything is strictly anonymous.