Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 179 - Alex is into Pegging and Pantyhose

Episode Date: May 22, 2017

Alex calls in to talk all about his pantyhose fetish and then gets into his interest and experience with pegging. What is pegging? How did he first get into it? Who has he let "peg" him? Tune in to find out plus hear all about the pantyhose sex he's had, his fantasy of being pegged by a tranny, how he came out to his wife and how she feels about all of his kinks and a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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everything. But we talked a lot about his interest in Panios, but he takes Panios to a whole different level because he's interested in pegging, which is another sort of thing. And he's interested in being pegged by like maybe a guy. You got to listen to the whole thing and hear how it all has gone down and like the history of like the stuff that he's been into. And the history of him and his wife's relationship, which by the way, the story. The story, the story, the story of, that he tells comes around in circles kind of. Like there's a whole big twist in the middle of the podcast. Because he tells the story about his wife one way and then you wind up figuring out

or realizing or I wind up realizing and because of all the questions I asked, finding out that the story is a lot different and that's really interesting if you ask me. So I'm just going to save the rest of the details to save the rest of the details to save the rest the details for the podcast. I mean, you know, for a mystery as a mystery. Oh my God. I can't talk today. But anyway, so I'm just going to be right back on with Alex.

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Hey, Alex, welcome to a strictly anonymous podcast. You're all and Kathy. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. So, uh,

you're another panty hose guy. Now, I am. Yeah. Were you the one that told me or there's, because there's another guy also that emailed me around the same time you did and told me that somebody on like a panty hose forum had posted something about my show so a lot of pantyos people saw it so i was like oh is that were you the one that told me

that or is that somebody else no that wasn't me no i didn't post anything like that okay no not that you posted it but did you see it is that how you found out about my podcast like calling into my butt show or did you listen to were you just a fan of my show or like you went googling and found that one episode that you listened to like how did you fuck like think to Colin. Actually, it's funny. Like, I was on a trip back from out of town, and I just searched the word pantyhose in the podcast on my iPhone.

So it just came up. So I was like, oh, start listening to this. Right, right, right. Cool. Because you're also a pantyhose guy. Let's talk about the first thing that you said in your email, because you sort of started emailing me, like while you were listening to the last Pantyhose guy that I had on.

And he was like the tamest Pantyhose guy, because I had a couple, right? he was like the tamest that I had his name was Paul he was episode 174 if anyone wants to listen to it and you had kind of like a little beef with him that you had said to me like the first thing he said was like I'm listening to this episode right now this guy is kind of like you know irritated me because I think that he's full of shit right or something like that I mean just from my own experience and just kind of by being like totally infatuated with this fetish like it just became really, really unbelievable to me that he hadn't even, I think that it was

he didn't even like masturbated in Panyos or even got off in general before he was like 18 years old. Was that right? Yeah, it was something kind of crazy. But let me just say this in his defense because I felt the same way as you, right? And that was evident, right? Wasn't I like no way and like I couldn't believe it? Right? And then just later on after he continued to talk and then I found out that he was Asian and I was like,

you know, I remember hanging up with him and thinking like, oh, God, you know, here I was like sort of giving him a hard time, you know, without sort of taking into consideration that, like, and kind of being ignorant, I felt like I was a little ignorant to think that like everybody is sort of like the same because like I do think that certain like races, religions, like they do, they are kind of different. And I do think that him being Asian, like for real, like he might have been raised in a way that he really didn't go there or no to go there. Do you know what I mean? Like I really believed him.

Like I have to say, I do not think he was lying. And like I said, I felt a little weird afterwards that I was like, yeah, duh. He was probably brought up in a very strict environment. And he probably, like, I was brought up in a strict environment, but I completely rebelled. But he probably didn't, right? Right. I guess that if you were taught from a very, very young age that was completely, I guess, looked down upon or, you know. I don't know that it was looked down upon or like you're just sort of kept in like a bubble where you're like super naive or something.

I don't know. Oh, no, absolutely. But I remember when I was like very young. I mean, I think it was like fifth grade or something. like I wasn't in an environment that was very, you know, sexual or like anything like that or even brought up in that type of environment. And it was like constant. You know, I just kind of feel like maybe it's different as far as, you know, like you said, race and ethnicity and, you know, demographics. But it was just kind of like, oh, well, this is fun.

This feels good. You know what I mean? Oh, no, I know. I've begged and asked for like a psychologist or somebody. to write into me and explain to me because I it's not he first one I mean he's the first one because he's like doing this fetish right that you actually have the same you're into the same fetish so for you you're like what the fuck but I've had other guys just that aren't even into fetishes any kind of fetish but they also like haven't really jerked off or found their dick until they're like 18 years old

like swear like they didn't know that it could come and it could do all these things like it's not the first time I've heard it you know and I've literally and maybe like you know it's like you know it's like a little bit of repression and like maybe you know sometimes that has to do with your family life and how you're raised or sometimes it has to do with being fucked up like I don't think that guy for sure was lying and I don't think he

was like fucked up you know I think maybe super conservative and maybe a little repressed I don't know but I've tried I definitely give the benefit of the doubt like I was just kind of you know writing just kind of I don't know where this guy's out of control

like it's unbelievable but yeah for someone to, you know, be a, the infatuated like me, kind of just like, wow, it's amazing that he'd never explored that action, even though he, you know, liked their way they looked and how they felt. And, like, he said he was even wearing them. So, yeah, listen, the way I grill people, like, seriously, I had a recent podcast on and I thought that they were, like, fucking lying. It's very hard to lie to me because, like, I just ask, like, a million questions.

And he definitely was not lying, like, for sure. Right. you know, but like maybe, like I said, he was repressed. And I've had other guys, and I'm not talking about him or like they, like I said, they didn't jerk off or anything until they're 18 either. And I think that that's really weird maybe, quote unquote. And I need a psychologist to come on because, you know, like I always say, like I don't have any kind of degrees in any of this shit, you know.

I just like go by like my friends or what I know, you know. So I'm completely unprofessional. It's just my opinion. So on to you. Okay. because you're another panty-hose guy. And I tried to say that I tried to let Paul know this because I don't know that he necessarily got it.

But I was really like, like you have to understand. Like this is a very widespread common fetish. I believe that it is. Like I've had so many guys like you're like, well, it's two, you and another guy, but then I've had other, I see them ads on Craigslist all the time. Like there's so many people that are into panty-hose. And each one has it to like a very different sort of degree.

And your story is different than all my other guys' stories. Like, did you listen to the other ones? Yeah, for the most part. I got a little piece of each one. Okay, cool. So, like, let's hear your story. I mean, you're kind of like much more hardcore than Paul. That's for sure.

You're married, though, and your wife does know, right? Yeah, she's known for, like, 12 years. So it was a second date, you know, and that was just a conversation. It was like that big of a deal for me to be like, all right, so what turns you on? That was kind of like my intro to, you know, ask people. like, okay, you tell me when you turns you on and I'm going to tell you what turns me on, you know, kind of just getting it out there. I've always owned it with anybody who I've dated.

Like, at first I think, like, back in the day it was kind of embarrassing. Like, I kind of would, you know, hide my feelings a little bit around people that are wearing them. But, no, ever since, you know, I was of age, maybe like 16 to 18 and started dating, I owned it. Like, I was just like, hey, this is what turns me on. And I was wondering if you would do that for me. Right. Nine times out of ten.

It's like, heck yeah. Really? Well, so wait, start from the beginning, though, of like when you got really into pantyhose. Like, I'm assuming it was like at a very young age, right? That you figured out that you, like, could, you know, were really into them sexually. How old were you? So I don't even think it was sexual at first, but it was as long as I can remember. Like, as long as I can cognitively remember, I've always, you know, I would walk up to my mom in, like, rubber lakes.

And, like, she used to say that, you know, I'd walk up and be like, oh, nice. Like, before I could even talk. Just crazy. It was like the feeling of it, like you liked it. Maybe that's what your mom thought at the time, right? No, exactly. Just like smooth, you know, whatever, just like the sensation. And then it went mostly, like, teachers and things like that.

Like, I was, like, kind of, you know, just focused in, like, if they were in pantyhose or whatever. You know, I would like sneak up and make, pretend like I'm asking a question, but like rub against their leg and, you know, things like that. And that was at a very young age. Mm-hmm. So then I guess it was just always a thing. Yeah, but when did it become a thing where you started wearing them? Because like first it always starts off like you see them on women, right? But I'm assuming you wear them too, right?

So, yeah, right when I started to, you know, start masturbating when I was a kid, like probably 12, 13 years old. I would do something from my mom or whoever and put them on and do my thing and put them back. So it goes from, like, is it like a curiosity kind of a thing that gets you to like, because like it's one thing to say like, oh, like I see panty hose on a woman and that's like really hot to me. But like how does it transfer to like, but I want to actually wear them? So like it's like when you're looking at them and you see them on the woman, like there's also like something inside of you that's like you want to wear them and feel that? do you know what I think initially it was like I just wanted to be able to feel it you know what I mean like um and I was never really wanting to you know like cross-dressing

and that kind of stuff like I didn't want to wear them for a long period of time I wanted to see them and few them while I was you know like pleasuring myself oh okay so you weren't wearing them you were just holding them no I was wearing them okay so you would put the mom so it was more like that was your way of like getting sort of close to like the female legs when they were wearing them. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

So that was like what's in your head while you're like wearing them and jerking off. It's not like you're looking at your hairy legs and like, oh, this is so hot. Exactly. It's kind of like you're looking at your legs and you're pretending them that they're your teachers or whoever, right? No, exactly. Like anybody else who would masturbate with absolutely no other. outside, you know, pieces of, of anything, your thoughts is what drive it. And that was just like an extra piece of it for me.

Right. So, but the thought, though, was of a woman wearing it. Correct. Okay, cool. All right, that clears a lot for me because I'm like, is it, because you do, then it does go into that whole, like, transgender thing, right? Like, is it like, you know, are you into the fact that you're wearing them and now you look kind of girly and that's kind of hot?

And I'm sure some people have that, too, right? Like there is that crossover, I would assume, in the world of like Panios now? No, I think that's, I totally agree. But even up until this day, even like, for example, it's not as common anymore that I wear them, but when I do it with my wife, and it's more of a foreplay thing. But what I've kind of gathered, and I've talked to people about this, professionals, and it's not necessarily a transgender or like a cross-play. stressing or anything like that. It's a submissive type of need for me. I think it's based on just

in the outside world, I've always been in charge. I've a very A type of personality. I'm a drive, you know, like I'm a driver, like I'm always in charge. I'm making a rule so that kind of thing. And to feel submissive with someone is like, it's just abnormal. So that's what I search for. And that's when to feel submissive with somebody, as I guessed, kind of how they explained it to me. when I'm wanting to be, you know. The one wearing the panty house? Right. Yeah, really?

I don't know. That's kind of interesting. But I guess it's like, so if you want to be submissive, because like, listen, I've heard that from like a lot of my bond, like BDSM guys, you know, and people in the S&M world, right? Like, I get that. And I guess maybe if like you don't have sort of like an interest in that, then the submissive sort of part of you would come, you know, about like in the panty hose thing if like you're more like a tactile person right

and you just like the feel of that like because when you're wearing them though like is it submissive in the fact that like you feel like a girl and that makes you feel less of a man and that's like the submissive part of it like how is it submissive to wear panties? No that's 100% right yeah um like I think that the submissive part comes from

um like just like you said absolutely right so maybe it's not so much transgender because that's like people who like are a man but they feel like a woman you know like whatever but it could be a little bit of like sort of similar to somebody who's a cross-dresser now no I agree I just don't I mean I don't know anybody personally so I don't have really have it you know yeah and what does that matter let's get back to your story okay so sure so you start wearing I mean you did say though in your email we're going to get to it that like you did like you are starting now to fantasize about like transgender interaction like you did

specifically say that like what does that mean Right. Well, kind of along the same lines of being submissive. So just, I guess, I don't know, maybe it was like six months to a year ago. And things, you know, how things like progress. Like, oh, first I'm weighing panic, comes now. You know, I'm being treated like the bottom in the relationship. And now, you know, just next step, next step, next step. And I'm obviously researching on the Internet and things like that.

And I come across, you know, a site. that has panty hose and pegging. So I don't know if you're familiar with what pegging is, but that's when a girl uses a strap on a guy. Oh, and fucks him in the ass. Right. So that, like, caught my attention. I was like, oh, my gosh, like, talk about submissive.

Like, that would be the ultimate role reversal. You know what I mean? Yeah, totally. So then I dabbled in that a little bit. With your wife? With your wife? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

God bless her soul. She's open to it. she's like, you know, she knows that I'm a very, very sexual person. And usually any idea that I bring to her, she's like, you know, why not? Yeah, that's awesome. She's obviously open too. Very, very. So we started doing that.

And like we've experimented with dildos and strapons and all this. And one day I was like, okay, I was like, so how much different does a real dick feel than a dildo? She's like, oh, it's completely different. and that sparks the more interest. And like I said, as far as that goes, that's never happened. It hasn't happened yet, but it is something that maybe has piqued your interest, kind of. It definitely, definitely has. And how does your wife feel about that?

Oh, that's a big no. Like, that's not happening. I have a chance. I mean, I think I've gone to the limit of maybe, you know, not going to be. further. Right. So, but no, then I, because I think that her, her, like, stereotypical mindset when it comes to, like, a transgender or transvestite is that they look like a guy, but they dress like a girl, right? And I had done my own research, and I was like, no, I was like, look at these girls. They're freaky, like, if they didn't have a penis, you would never be able to tell if that was a guy. Oh, yeah. Some of them, like, are better looking than me. Like, it's like a little horrific. You're like, this guy's a dude and they're like a fucking 10.9. Right.

And so I started sending her these pictures of them and stuff like that. And she's like, tell you what? She's like, as far as I'm concerned, if you find that perfect 10 that does not look like a guy, and you have the slightest opportunity to explore that, she's like, let me know. And we'll talk about it because she knows, like that's like a unicorn. It's not happening. You know what I mean? No, but it might happen.

that you find a girl that looks really hot that is a guy, like a chick with a dick, right? But that looks 100% like a girl. She's game for that. I would think she'd be game more for the opposite. Well, no, that's the thing. It's like, she just thinks that it's not out there. She's kind of like calling my bluff type of thing. Oh, but what you're saying is like she doesn't realize like it's totally out there, right?

Right. But again, it's like, like I said, it's like a unicorn. and like they don't really they're not around if they were how would i pursue that you know what i mean yeah well you just don't live in new york okay because you could just go to a gay bar any night and find like 18 of them my old co-host that used to be owned a very famous gay bar in the city and like we talked about because like he admitted to me once he got a blowjub from a tranny in his bar and then like all these people started to admit to me that they got blow jobs from trannies and i'm just like this is like a really common thing and they're like yeah because trannies are hot and like the ones that

coming to his bar, the famous ones in New York. Like, they're all over, totally. So I guess they're just maybe more of a unicorn in your neighborhood. But I guess you're probably right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if it came down to it, I really don't know if I'd ever pull the trigger on something like that because I don't believe that I'm gay. I really don't even believe that I'm by.

But I just, I don't know what is it about, like. Having a dick in your ass that you would like, listen, I could, I could, I could, I could tell you, like this is one of the most fascinating things about doing my show is like the numerous times I've had guys on my show that are like getting fucked in the ass by a guy having dicks in their mouth and they're like, I'm completely not gay and I'm not even by like and then they explain it like and everyone just like sort of frames things in certain ways and just like, you know, and like I believe like however you sort of see things or see yourself as like the reality, whatever, you know. And so like for you, it's like you're not gay.

the slightest, right? Like, you're not into guys, but you want a dick in your ass. So, like, if it was, so that's why I guess maybe it would have to be like a woman who looks really good that has a dick, though, that feels like a real dick instead of like the dildo, right? Like, that's exactly what you as a heterosexual guy that's into anal is looking for. I guess that, yeah, you're probably right. And I think that it was, you know, my wife had told me, she's like, it feels so much better. It's alive. It's warm. It's like not as hard. Yeah, there is a, Yeah, yeah. It's so good.

Totally. I was like, oh, shit. I was like, I like the gildo. I wonder how much I'm better than I like that. Yeah, you're going to get addicted. You're going to be gay, like, you know, after three times. Right. How many times before I'm gay?

Yeah. And I think that, honestly, like, I've gone through some stuff. We've been through pretty much everything in our marriage, like, everything. And if I really felt like, I don't want to think I'm kind of into dudes, I think they should be cool with that. But I'm not. Like, I'm happy. Right, right.

Well, listen. Our sex is ridiculous. It's awesome. We love each other and, you know, we explore these things that I don't believe that any other married couple or most married couples would even, you know, test the waters on. And so she told me, because that was the first thing she asked. She's like, do you think that you're gay? I don't. I really don't.

And I've thought about it. No, I think you could, like your relationship, like, and you probably 100% don't cheat on her, right? Right. Like, for real, right? Is that the truth? 100%. Okay. Right.

How would anybody else do anything other than what she does? No, but I mean, no, because maybe if you wanted more like a real dick in your ass, you could go behind your back. Like, whatever, I have so many people that are living these other lives behind. And my whole point is that like, this is what's so great about your marriage and so great about your wife that she's open to the stuff that you say. It doesn't make you feel weird about it. And that like if you could do that for your partner, right? And a lot of, listen, I'm sure it happens vice versa. but a lot of times it's like the woman is very closed off and guys feel like, you know,

their wife, their girlfriend is not going to sort of be cool with like the things that they're into sexually. So they have to do it behind their back. And probably if they told them the woman would be like, what the fuck? Like it'd be horrified, you know. But it really goes to show that if women are more open, right? And sort of, you know, willing to try stuff out that their guy was into like the man would stray less, right? Because look, you're getting all your needs met at home. And sometimes it's just a matter of like a guy's into something sexually. And his wife is like no effing way.

And he goes someplace else. You know what I mean? It has nothing to do with love. He still loves a woman at home. But like you have everything from your girl. And I think that that's great. You know what I mean? Right.

And I feel open to go with her with other ideas. Like who would go to their wife and say, hey, I'm thinking about, you know, if I could find a training, he's hot, I want nothing like it. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think it's so great that you have these open conversations. And at the same time, I think that if it were the opposite, like you mentioned some of the other, you know, some of the other experiences that would say, like, I would never talk to my wife about that.

That would, that would mean that she would think this or she would think that. She would judge me this and that that would never happen. Or they're even intimidated by bringing up, you know, what they really feel and what they really want. That's when people are like, okay, well, you know what? I bet I can find somebody who isn't a shut off to that idea. Well, they have to, yeah, because they were, most of the time, these guys, like, they really love their wife and they don't want to ruin what they have with their wife, but they have this other thing that they want or whatever that's going on. And this is like the big problem, you know.

But you don't have that. You have like, you know, you're one of the lucky ones. I think so too. Yeah. Now that I put it all out there, I'm like, wow, it's pretty crazy. And she's like, after we're finished or whatever, and it's like, kill those still in my ass, she's like, I love you. And I was like, you must.

But let me ask you this. Does she get off on like, fuck you in the ass in a weird way? Does she have any kind of like sort of dominant thing that she's into? She at first, not at all. At first she was just like, this is like, I'm not comfortable with this. I think it's weird. If you're getting pleasure from it, then okay. And that was like I said, a year ago, maybe, you know, 15 mugs, 16 mugs.

And but now it's like if she doesn't feel like having regular sex, she's like, well, I'll fuck you though if you want me to. And I was like, oh, okay. So I think she's like warming up to it. I think that she, she gets turned down by how much I'm turned down by it. Does that make sense? Yeah, totally.

And maybe it's better than giving, yeah, and maybe it's better than having to give you a blow job or, like, let you fuck her when she's not really into it. Exactly. Do you know what I mean? Exactly.

And that's kind of how she's always been. It's like, and if there's not sex, then it's like, all right, then guys get pissed off and there's not sex and girls don't always want sex. It's just how it is.

Yeah. But she'll still help you out. Exactly. So that's, so I think, just lately like sometimes when we're doing it she's like oh my gosh it's so hot and I'm like you're serious she's like it's hot how turned out you are I was like okay like I dig it right and so now she's getting into the fact that she's like you know when she's doing those things to you

because you're so turned on like that turns her on and so she's getting into the whole dominant thing just because it turns you on so much I agree yeah and I think it was a path but we've kind of we're getting there you know what I mean so that's another good thing I'm sorry, I keep cutting you off and people completely about that. But no, but that's another good thing for my listeners to hear, especially if there's a female listener, is that like, you know, maybe if it's something that your guy wants, right,

that you're not so into, like, you know, maybe it's something that you could grow into, right? Because like you said at first she was like totally not into it. But after a while, like she's warmed up to it. And now it's not even like she doesn't mind doing it. Like she's starting to get into it. I think that's like a great sort of story to show that that could happen. to other women in other situations or men with, you know,

with their partners that, you know, if they're not into something. Because like if you're with somebody, sex is a part of your relationship. And, you know, if your partner's into something, like you do owe it to them, I think personally, to try it out, you know. Right. Yep. And I think that it's even opened up her mind a little bit too about, you know, maybe some of the things that she really hasn't necessarily thought cognitively about

me, maybe subconsciously. And she has started reading a lot of lesbian. being erotica. So does that turn you on? She's like, it kind of does. I was like, so would you act on that? She's like, I don't think so. And so she's like, well, when you go down on me, I just sometimes I pretend it's a girl

doing it. I was interesting. So there's, I mean, I don't think that she ever opened up with that and, you know, kind of confided in me about those feelings if I also didn't, you know, kind of tell her exactly what I wanted. Yeah, totally. And five years from now, there's going to be a girl going down on her for sure. I bet you anything.

She'll warm up to it. Maybe it'll be a guy fucking new my ass too then. Exactly. I think you guys are going to be like full on successful like hardcore swingers. You know, 10 years from now. 15 years from now. But, you know, yeah, because why not? Right?

When she gets really comfortable with that and because you guys are so comfortable talking about things and sort of. And then, you know, you don't just talk about it. Like you guys do the stuff, right? You go out and you buy the strapons. You're doing it. You know, like that I think that that might be a natural progression eventually down the line. You guys will have a threesome.

Right, right. No, I agree. And sometimes she's hesitant to, you know, give into the things that I want to do. Like you said, shopping in public for paying it's one of the hottest things ever. Really? To a really nice store where it's not just like whatever grocery store, like whatever. That's disgusting. That's like cheap.

But like, so say you went to like a Macy's or Nordstrom's or something really expensive and you bought these like $120 pair of panty hose, like that's hot to me. Like, and she knows that. Same thing, like if you were to go to like a sex store and take out a dough dough together, that's hot to me.

She doesn't get that, but she does it. You know what I mean? Totally. But wait, so back to your, the panty hose thing, right?

Like you say like you get hard just like hearing the word. Like so when you started to, you use them and you jerk off to them like very early on, like before you started having sex, right? So like it became like a thing that was like a trigger for you. you, right? Like the panty hose, like your dick is hard, right? And then you start dating girls. And what gives you, like, the balls at such a young age to be okay with, like, like, talking about this to

your girlfriends? I think that takes a lot of balls. I mean, I think, and honestly, I've always been kind of shy when it comes to stuff like that, but I just would always, like, dumb it down. No, you're not shy, okay? I'm sorry, you're using, you might be shy in other situations. But when it comes to sex, you're not shy, considering the fact of all the shit that you're talking about with your wife. And then you said, like, from day one when you're dating, you were always, you let it be known that you were into Banyos. A shy person would never do that. I can make it a soft intro, though. Like, I make it a very soft intro.

That's okay, but you still do it. You said you did it on your second date with your girl, right? Or a third date, whatever. It's like a third date thing. That's not shy. So how, like, so maybe you're just, it's just, it's a heart date. just your personality. I just think it takes a lot of courage to sort of put something like that, you know, really out there, you know, because when did you start fooling around with girls and

dating them that you were talking about this? Probably like sophomore junior junior year in high school. Yeah, imagine. I mean, were you really popular? Because like, imagine that gets over, like, imagine some girls like, what the fuck. And then she tells everybody, you know how high school is? It's so petty and people are so mean. Oh, no. No, absolutely people knew that about their high school. and? And I owned it. They're like, oh, that's weird. He's into that,

he's into painting, I was raising the tights. I was like, dude, it's like, what do you like? You know, and I just like, put it out there.

How old are you? Are you a millennial? Yes, I am. I was born in the 80s. Oh, that's why. You're just a much cooler generation that people were okay. Like, I think that that's great.

I mean, if you were like 49, if you were 49, you just wouldn't be, like, that just wouldn't fly in, school. You know what I mean? Like it is just like you live in it. You know, you're, you're young in a different time where things are a little bit more acceptable. But I still think that that's awesome that you did. Like that's true. Like if you fucking own something like that's how you have to be with shit,

you know, people see things differently. It's like, you know, because you just don't give them room to sort of put you down for it. Right. Well, because they were common fetishes too. I mean, what's common when it comes to a fetish, but people that I knew and I just feel like, oh, man, she has a really nice feet or, you know, I have like a panty fetish or I like bras or like tank tops. So everybody in your high school had fetishes that they were talking about. No, no, no, no. Not necessarily everyone had fetishes they were talking about, but people were open about what they liked about the female body.

And I was like, how is it different than I like a fabric that they wear? Oh, right? That's what you were. That's how you owned it, right? Right. That's cool. That's great. So you were known as like the panty hose guy, but you were still like okay and

popular and like people were cool with you and girls. still dated you. Oh, absolutely. I usually, like, I had a pretty steady girlfriend in high school. So it was kind of just like, I think, and we were like having sex, a lot like she knew. Right, because you told her. Right. And she was, was down for it and was totally fine. Did you have any girls? Because you said, you know, most of the time they were totally fine with it. Did you have any girls in your dating experience before you met your wife that was like not cool with it? I really haven't. Like, I never really, had a conversation and they said, oh my gosh, that's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. Some people, you know, some girls were like, oh my gosh, like grandmas or like, you know,

people have a stereotype that it's old ladies wear pantyhows. And I was like, okay, so go to Hooters or go to an NFL football game. Like many, many chicks are, it's mandatory for them to wear like nice pantyhows or nice tights. Like, well, how do you explain that? Right. So it was just kind of like that line. But a lot, you know, a handful of them were anti just because they thought it was like a grandma thing or whatever. And, you know, that way.

Right. Yeah, yeah. And so, so you would tell your girls, and now, like, when you're out and you're with, like, your wife, like, are you guys opening up that, like, I mean, if you see pantyhoes, like, on a girl that's, like, across the room, are you getting, like, turned on by her? Yeah. Yep, definitely. And she knows that. And she's like, oh, she's like, oh, like, she'll see me look, and then she'll look at her and says, oh, okay. Okay, like she gets it because Right, because she knows that's your thing. How old are you and how old is your wife?

34, or 35 and 36. Right. So you guys got married kind of young. Yeah, 25. Mm-hmm. 25. And so when you met her, you said you told her on like the third date and you said like your sex with her has been like really great.

So like she was like totally fine with it. And then did you start wearing them while you were having sex with her very early on in your relationship? No. Did you do like the slow sort of introduction into it? So, so. And she was the first one that I ever had sex with with panty hose on. Right.

And how would you have sex with them on? You mean you, like, you would put a hole in it and you put your dick out or you're wearing a while you're fooling around and then you take them off? No, there's holes in both pair. Correct. Oh, so, oh, wait a second. So she wears a pair. She has to be wearing them, right?

And you're wearing them. Yes. And you have a hole in yours and she has a hole in hers. Yep. Interesting. So while you're fucking her, like, you're touching her legs and she's got that feel and you could look down at your legs and your legs got that feel and that's like a whole part of it, I guess. And the legs are touching and, yes, it's pretty amazing.

Interesting. And does she, well, let me ask you this. Does she, like, was she at first? Like, wow, that was kind of hot? No, not at all. Like, I think, I even remember, like, we were on a vacation or something and actually, you know, it was on her honeymoon and i packed a pair of panty i was like a brand new pair of panty i was a carry on and so it was a trip to hawaii so it was going to be a long flight so whatever and so i got

him out i was like well you like when you would put these on she's like she's like no like what am i going to put those on like what are you talking about um but like we kind of got in a little argument about it and and she's like you know what when we get back i'm going to make you put on a pair and i didn't i didn't like say no right because she's She thought I was going to be like, oh my gosh, that's gross, like, whatever. But I was like, all right. I was like, you're going to make me put a pair of panty hose on? She's like, maybe.

And I was like, I didn't like, we bought. I was like, okay. Wait a second. So, wait, she didn't even know while you were, because you were putting on panty hose since the dawn of time, right? So she, you, so maybe on your third date you tell these girls you're into panty hose, meaning them wearing them. But when do you reveal that you're into wearing them?

to all the girls or just to your wife? No, just my wife. Oh, okay, so I'm sorry, but you're not so ballsy after all, no, I'm sure. Right. It's not the big reveal. Like, when I, I did this with Paul, too, I think, like, to me,

big deal that you're telling somebody, and I get why you could own it in high school and say, like, you're into girls with high heels, I'm into girls with pantyhoes. There's nothing weird about that. What I'm thinking got around your high school, and what I'm thinking you're telling people straight off the bat is the fact,

that you like to wear them. And I always, and this is what this is what happened with Paul too. Like he was like, oh no, that's not. I didn't tell her that until like way later. No, exactly. Sorry if I was communicated. No, I don't, I don't believe that anyone else knows that besides my life. Right, right.

Because that's the weird, that's the part that is like the fetish. You know, whatever. People like girls in panty hose. That doesn't mean anything. But the guy wants to wear the panty hose. like that's all that's the fetish that what I say you know men that are into pantyhose that's like what it is I don't think I'd have a guy on my show well maybe I would that just likes to see girls in panty hose like who cares you know it's like the guy being on my show saying I like to see bras you know girls in bras you know exactly and that's what I'm saying like initially that's what it was you know and it was kind of just like I mean I would wear them when I was about myself but I would be thinking of a girl in them while I was wearing them kind of just like right but you you were wearing them, but that was your secret. It was a secret and it was something that you were into. And so when your wife said that, it was kind of like perfect, right? Because then it only got this thing of now you could wear it with her because you were doing that secretly anyway. Correct. Right? And so when you come back from your honeymoon, like who brings up the fact that you're going to wear them that first time? I did because she completely forgot about it. Of course. And what did you say? I was like, wait a minute. I thought I was the one. wearing panty hose and she's like, are you serious?

And then that didn't go over well. Like at the beginning it was kind of like, that's weird. Of course, because that's the thing. I have to learn. I have another panty hose podcast after tapering coming up. I have to learn to phrase my question properly. Right. Right.

That's the thing that I would think that most girls, your high school, you know, would be kind of like, hmm, like what the fuck does that mean? You know, it's not like the norm. quote unquote, right? No, I agree. And so she was freaked out by it. I think she was kind of, yeah, mad. Like, you know,

not doing this, whatever. And that was the beginning of, I feel like the beginning of when we started communicating about how we felt about that kind of stuff, you know? And I had always had the, you know, trying to, because she doesn't have a fetish.

She didn't get it. You know what I mean? So, like, I was like, no, you don't understand. Like, if that's what you're with the fabric. I love how it feels. I love how it looks and I love how it looks on you but again it's not just you I love how it looks on all like hot women but when did you say I also like the way it feels when I wear them in that same conversation no I did I was like it I mean it just feels amazing I was like I just

think it would be so hot if we both had them on and what did she say she's like nope I don't think that'd be hot at all no that little that little that little sexual encounter ended very abruptly. Then she was confused and there was a fight and whatever else. But I think, you know, not necessarily that is normal at all. But, I mean, really, I don't think anybody is. Everybody's got their thing. And I think that she was able to open her mind about it.

And it was, you know, all on the up and up from there. Right. And so when was the first time that she sort of warmed up to the idea? Because now she knew, right? She knew about this thing, right? And when she said, how long have you been doing this and asked all those kind of questions, were you sort of straight? up with her, like that you had been doing it since you were little?

Yeah. Okay. So, like, when does she start to, like, look, be able to look you in the face and, like, you know, be okay with the whole deal and then warm up to the fact that she's going to allow you to do that? It was a lot. It was a long time and a lot of fights and a lot of, you know. Oh, my God.

It's like I'm getting the story backwards. But that's the way shit happens all the time, which I love. That's why I love not knowing. No, right. And like, I was just... Because it's like, this is like the beginning of the story, really, like, before with everybody ending and the fact that she's so cool and you have this really open marriage is like the ending of, but the way you get to that place, and this is to me like more

real life, is that like you go through this kind of stuff to get there. So you guys went through, like, arguing and fighting and her sort of, you know, wanting like you to not sort of be... that person that wanted to wear a panty hose, right? Like, she wasn't down for it at first. No, exactly. And I kept bugging about it, and then it became me, you know, me having a serious problem. I'm addicted to sex. I'm addicted to the pain,

this and that. And, you know, we got lots of fights about it. And we even had a couple sessions of marriage counseling about it. Yeah, that's great that you did that. That probably helped a lot. No, it really did. And actually, the marriage counselor taught it all back to, like, my mommy issues. And that's a whole different show, I'm sure. but it made sense to me so then i was like really turned off and i was like ew like that's not cool i like panty because our mom were pantinghows that's fucked up right um like then it just like it gradually got back and you know we continued to go to counseling but not necessarily about that and she kind of

saw the light like okay there's a difference between someone being paid being wanting to be playful during sex and then someone who's actually addicted to sex you know like guys are always going to want to push the limits. Guys are always going to want that next, the next big thing. While sometimes girls really don't need that. But wait, did she think you were addicted to sex strictly because you were into panty hose? I mean, were you cheating on her? Like, why did she think you were addicted to sex? Like, why did she make that leap? Because that's kind of like a weird leap. Because what? It was constant. Like, I was constantly about it, you know, like, because she wanted to quit the whole pantyho's thing because, you know, I was so intatuated with it. Right. And so you were like, so

really you were like addicted to the panty hose. Right. Because that's what she said. She's like, she's like, I don't even think they want to have sex with me. You just want to do the panty house. Right.

And you probably got more obsessed with it because it became like this thing between you guys. Right. Like what they say, whatever you resist persists. You know what I mean? Exactly. And the more,

and the more she would give into it, the more I would want it and the kinkier I would get and so on and so forth. The more she didn't want it, you mean. Right. Exactly. Yeah, of course. That just feeds the whole thing. right? She just probably made it hotter for you for a certain time.

Exactly. Exactly. So it took a, I mean, it took a lot of time for us to, like, warm up to that idea. And, you know, we still have conversations about it. Like, when I talked about the tranny and all that. I mean, it was the same back to square one. It was like, I can't believe this. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. This is why I'm so glad I do a way longer podcast than just like, because some people have always told me, like, hey, why don't you just do like three people on a show and just talk to people for 30? It's like you because you can't because you have to keep talking to somebody to really get the truth, right? And like I said, I still love your relationship with your girl and where you're at now. But the way you told the story the first time, right, when you glossed over, like the way, and I think that this happens a lot in conversation. This is why people like sort of do a disservice to other people or,

Because people just don't ask a lot of questions, right? So what they hear is like, if you told the story we hung up 20 minutes ago, it's like, oh, you told your wife that you want to get fucked in the ass. And she was like, oh, great. And she fucked you in the ass. And it was like great. And you guys are just really open with each other. And it's great.

You know what I mean? And it's like. Absolutely not how it happened. So yeah, sorry for the miscommunication. It's not a miscommunication. People tell stories like that all the time. And you have to just keep question, keep them talking. And then the more details come out.

And that's what I love because I think from those kinds of situations, people really learn, right? Like, this is more of the truth. And this is real life. And this is what people learn from. Like, okay, say you want your girl to be into or your partner to be into something that's not. Like, you know, expect that maybe there's going to be fight, you know, whatever, what you went through.

Because you're a successful couple that came out of it, right? To the other side where now you're having like this amazing sex life and you're totally open and you're able to do the things you are and she's able to be cool with it and now she's realizing she's into it, you know, and you guys saved your marriage and you haven't cheated on her. Did you ever cheat in her? I didn't cheat. I've never cheated physically. Like there were like chat rooms online and stuff like that, but I never actually went out and

physically cheated on her. Right. So, I mean, no, not at all. Right. Okay. So, yeah, so it's like a much more real story now. Okay. So when you told her about the, so after she's, she's.

eventually like how was that first time that she says okay let's try the panos thing was she like reluctant and just did it for you like when did she start to like warm up to the idea considering it was so you know sort of bad for a while right um you know i don't really know specifically when it started to become a like a more regular thing um but uh i think now it's just depends on her like her mood like no i mean like when did she allow you considering like you considering like you said like she was really anti it in the beginning, you wearing them. When did she say, okay, you could put them on and I'll have sex

with you and like you guys got holes in your panty hose and fucked with panty hose on? Like when did that happen? And how did it happen? Is it your birthday? And she's like, okay, I'll throw you a bone. Like what changed on that day? No, I don't.

I really don't know exactly what I'm. But you're probably right. It was probably like, okay, if you, whatever with me, like go to my mom's house or go to my daughter or my niece's birthday. day and have a good time. Whatever. It was probably something stupid and I was like, all right, well, if I do that, then you're going to let me wear panty hose later. It was probably something stupid like that.

Right. And you know what? I think that she's probably so reluctant to the stay, like, oh, because sometimes now we have this whole role play thing going on where she's the boss and okay, slut, wear my panty hose and it goes from there type of thing. And that's just kind of how things work now. But I think that she's probably

still reluctant to do that today, but I think that she knows how much I like it. So I think she does. it, you know, just without even, I guess it's just not worth to fight for her, even if that makes sense. And not that I'm winning in any way, shape, or form, but I think that I'm just the type of person that's not going to do anything unless I get my way, which is really stupid to say, but it's true.

And she knows that. So when it's time to... So maybe she's really, you may be wearing the panty hose, but maybe she kind of is a submissive, but you think you're the submissive, but like you're not, like, you did say that you have that whole thing where, you know, that's like the submissive part of you because you're... so not submissive, right? In every other aspect of your life.

It's like a double road reversal. Yeah, but it's really not any reversal at all. Let me ask you this. If I were talking to her, right, and you weren't on the call, like would she say that you guys have like amazing sex and a great sex life? Yes.

I think that she would just because she enjoys it thoroughly. When she's in the right mood, she enjoys it thoroughly when I go. down on her. Yeah, but that's because she's thinking that you're a chick. Who cares? She's still getting off. I'm just showing. Yeah, but you know, you know what I mean. What I'm saying is forget about you going down on her, okay?

Because we know that, you know, that's like half of the time it's you and half of the time she's thinking about somebody else. Okay, would she say that like the pantyho stuff and all that stuff that you do and the fucking in the ass, would she say that that's all like great sex or is she 100%? No so she's like but you did say that she was like starting to get into it and she was like really turning her on right from time to time I think that I genuinely think that it turns her on and you know when she sees how like how much I'm enjoying it yeah I think you might be a little bit of like you know a self-centered and don't worry I'm like kind of self-centered do so I get it but like no I 100% admit that I'm self-centered yeah you might be so self-centered

Yeah, you might be so self-sendered that you're projecting that onto her, but she's like not, it's not the case at all. I really, like, seriously, I don't know that I could believe your take on what she's, what she's experiencing. Because you didn't even, like, listen, there takes a certain kind of person, right, that could, like, get off, right? When somebody is doing something that they're totally not into and just doing it for the other person, right?

Like, most people, like, want to know that the other person. is into it too, right? But a really self-centered person is like, I don't care if you're into it or not. Like, I'm just like, I want this and this is, you know what I mean? So she's fucking you in the ass and she's like, you know, I don't know, looking at the time and thinking, you know, and just doing it for you.

But you don't care, right? Because it feels so good for you. You'll just fucking tease. Oh, no. That's not. That's absolutely not right. Because if she's not, if she's not like, at least acting like she's enjoying it, like I'll tell her straight up.

Like, if you're not in the mood to do this, I'm not in the mood to do it. Because if you're not, into it, then it's, it's pointless. I should just go do something by myself. Because if we're not sharing joy together, it's stupid. Like, you're not doing me. That's what I mean.

Right. But you don't know that she like, but you say she doesn't enjoy it, but she does. I'm a little confused. No, I think that she enjoys that I enjoy it. I don't think that she's like, just like, all right, it's time to fucking you in the ass. Because that that's what I want to do today. I think that she does it, I mean, out of her love for me. Like, I really, I really do think that she does it because she knows I

enjoy it. Just like, you know, I'll unload the dishwasher or do you clean the house or whatever. It did not because she asked me to be because I know that she would appreciate it when I do. Right. I don't think that she's self-centered because I do that kind of stuff. No, no, but you just admitted that you're self-centered. We know that you kind of are. No, I agree that I'm self-centered, but I also don't believe that I would enjoy it if she didn't enjoy it. Right, right, right. And I don't mean, maybe she doesn't even enjoy it sexually. Maybe she just sees it as me as doing something for me that I like. And that's enough for you. Totally, I get it.

Right. But let me ask you this. You said that there was like a lot of fights that went down when she wanted, when you wanted her to fuck you in the ass. Did you guys have to go back to counseling for that? Were you still in counseling? No, we didn't. We didn't. It just kind of, that was just a progression, honestly.

It was just, it was kind of like the submission thing. She knew I like to be submissive. And that was the next step. So. Right. So at first she was upset, right? You did say she was upset, right? she was upset she thought you know she really not really challenged me but she's like I really want you to think that maybe maybe you want to be with a guy and so then you know I actually took that into consideration as I really don't think I am and I did some research and found that you know there's the male G spot and things like that and obviously that's why it feels good but there's also the domination thing that I'm into yeah I don't necessarily think that if a guy wants stuff at all like right because if you really

think about it and I've said this before on my show like you know it's sad because so many guys are so like anti any kind of ass play you know I've been with guys blowing them and like tried to put a finger up their ass or like tried to something and they're like no effing way you know and it's just like they're so horrified

if anything goes near their ass that it's some sort of gay thing and it's like so to me it seems so ridiculous because like like look if like somebody goes down to me that's what lesbians do does that mean I'm a lesbian because I like the stuff that lesbians do like no like it has nothing to do with it.

You know what I mean? The asshole is just a very like, it has a lot of nerve endings and it feels really good, right? I was always a three input girl. So I would be like, just let me do something to your ass. Like, trust me, like, you'll really like it.

It doesn't mean that you're gay, but so many guys are so homophobic that they don't get it, right? So I don't necessarily think that it means that somebody's gay if they like it, right? Because it's like you like it. You're gay. It's like it's a guy if you want a guy doing it to you,

right? girl, what does that mean? You just like the physical sensation of it. It feels fucking great, you know? Exactly. And I think that's a knee-jerk reaction for anyone like, oh, you like stuff in your ass, you must be gay. Yeah, it's such a sort of close-minded way of seeing things. Right.

And I think a lot of guys miss out. And I mean, some girls like, some girls love anal sex. Like, what's that mean for them then? You know what I mean? No, I think if you turn it around on a girl, you'd say like, oh, you like me going down on you, then you must be a lesbian because that's what lesbians do. That's the exact sort of. of equal thing to turn it around.

And it doesn't make any sense when you think about it that way, you know? No, I completely agree. And I think that if you look like research or Google like role reversal, there's so many things on rule reversal in relationships. And there's so many things that support it as a healthy marriage, you know, that kind of stuff. And I think that, you know, it just not everybody's into, you know, butt play and whatever else, but some people are.

And that means that, you know. And let me ask you this. before you got into it with her, right? Like somehow you came across this pegging thing and you're like, oh, that's really hot. Secretly, like, while you were jerking off, you know, either when you were young or, you know, later on in your life, like, had you ever put anything up your ass and, like, figured out that you like things there or was, were you like an anal virgin? No, I was 100% an anal virgin.

And he's like, you mentioned the finger thing. I think you're still terrible compared to dildos. I mean, it sounds weird. No, I know. Yeah, yeah. It's like a little pointy, pokey thing. Like you need something a little bit more softer and rounder. Right, exactly.

And I think like the, just the excitement of doing it is like part of what gets you off. It's like this is kind of like taboo type thing. And I don't know. Right. Like the kink of it. Right. You get into, right? And the fact that she's wearing a strap on it and it's your wife and she's doing it's the reversal.

It's a lot of things that go into it for you that gets you off. Exactly. Right. And now, and so and when you take it further and you're like thinking it's a real dick, right? like and it's warm it's more so not about being with a guy or do you think because you're a pretty honest person you'll admit it like do you think because you get into like the whole naughty factor of things that you know say your wife says you could do it with you know a really hot you know tranny right like what a part of that like turn on be like that situation would the turn on be a little bit like that it's a guy I don't know like and I've even

thought about that. Like, I think that, I think a lot of it would be like, if that were ever to happen, like, in my pipe dream or whatever, Kelly would have to be there, you know, like. Right, you're what. There's, yeah, like, it wouldn't be like, oh, I'm going to go do this by myself. Right. Okay. Now take that cuck from that trainee, and it'd be like a turn on.

You know what I mean? So it's almost like a, like, I'll want to be watched or like, you know, I don't know. I don't think that would ever, ever feel the same way if it was a man. Like, she brought another man and she's like, This guy's gonna fuck him like, no, he's not. It's weird. Like, I don't want that. I'm not gay.

But it's just, it's just a strange line. But if you were like, right, it is kind of. And like, maybe you're slightly by. I think there's like different degrees. Like you might be like 5% bye, you know, because. And that's fine. I'm cool with that. Yeah.

No, like bye. Like, there's a difference. You know, I think to be gay, you got to be like more than 50% like into men. But, I mean, you're clearly into women. but maybe if don't you think like if a part of like the dick in your ass the warm dick the real dick right in your ass with a tranny and the fact that that's a guy right and that it's kind of dirty because it's a guy and like you're being kind of by like maybe and that's kind of like the turn on that might be like you're a little bye just like your girl who's like sort of thinking about girls going down on her right like like like Like, she might, she's probably a little bi. And it's just the fact that it's something different and maybe a little naughty and like really like a dirty sort of sex, you know, that she's into. Right.

Exactly. Right. You're 100% right. I mean, you know, again, there's a stereotype. Oh, bisexual. That mean, you're different. That's weird. That's fucked up.

But, you know, own it. A guy like this in my ass. Cool. I like ticks of my ass. Right. Yeah, own it. Own it. But yeah, I think you're absolutely right. I mean, I don't think they...

You might be a little bye. That's all I'm saying. And your girl's a little by too, by the way. So if she ever brings up and throws it in your face because, like, you want to really do the tranny? Like, you could be like, well, you know, same thing for you if you're like, you know, reading a lesbian erotica, you know, and jerking and jerking off to women all the time. Like, obviously, she finds women attractive. that's bisexual, right? And there's nothing wrong with that.

I think they say, like, it's actually more common, like, for real, than to be completely heterosexual or completely homosexual, to have absolutely zero percent interest in something else other than, like, you know, 50 percent of the population. So I do think, like, there's, like, people would say, like, there's a spectrum, right? And most people fall in between, you know? Maybe you're, like I said, maybe your girl and you are both. like the same, like 95% heterosexual, five percent buy. You might be a little bye.

You might, it might be hard to swallow that. No, it's not at all. Not at all. That would agree with you. Yeah, you know, and, you know, keeping the tranny aspect and the girl part of it and all that stuff, like, helps. But I think that, you know, and that might be even separate from the panty host thing. Like, you know, and like, you're just, like, into, like, a lot of different things sexually.

Like, you're pretty open-minded and, like, a kinky person, right? Like maybe that's how you would be labeled if you had to label you, right? And you're just like super open-minded and your, you know, sexuality sort of is, you know, goes along with that, you know? That's just who you are. Right. No, I completely agree. Definitely.

And, you know, I don't think. And, but it all goes back to the pantinghouse. Like if I were ever to be with a trainee or whatever else, we'd both be in Panios, like, 100%. Otherwise, it's not happening. Right, right, right. But that would be a part of the tent. Now, even when, so when your wife's fucking you in the ass,

you have panty hose on and there's a hole in them? No, usually it's just her who's wearing pantyhows in those situations. Oh, okay, because you want her to be wearing the pantyos and you're, but you're not wearing them. So if you were with the tranny, the tranny would be wearing them and you wouldn't be. No, we probably both would be. Because there are times when we both are. Oh, okay.

So if you, like, right, so the first time, right, like maybe when you were doing this with your wife, you were both wearing the panty hose, like that would be the hottest when you're both doing it. And that's why you would do it with the tranny. Why would you have to be wearing it with the tranny? I don't know. I just think that that's how I would want it. Because you're right. In the situations where we're both in panty hose, that's the best for me.

So if I'm going to, if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it right. Right, right. I hear you. Right. You're going to go to the, like, if this is your one-time tranny situation that your wife's throwing you, the unicorn. Right. You're going to fuck that unicorn. with panty hose on.

100%. Yeah, as you should. Own it. Own those panty hose in that unicorn. But let me ask you this. This is a dumb question and we're wrapping it up.

But when you say you go out to these stores and you buy it like, do you buy a $120 pair of panty hose and then put holes in them? And then I'm assuming, I guess you just use them. Like do they wash well when you have the hole? Does the hole get bigger or is it stay the right size?

Like, or do you have to throw them out? It's a little bit of an art phone. No, we don't throw them out. Like you wash them in air dry them, but you just cut it. Like you would cut like the cotton part out. You know what I mean? Oh, okay, right.

So you just cut that out. And then if you like, if you cut them along the scene, like it's like for me, like if you cut it along the seam like with my cock with meat, those, those, the whole won't spread either. If they're like nice ones. If you go to like grocery store and pick up some, they're going to be ruined after. Right. The ones like in the egg.

What are those called those ones in the egg? Or do they see even have those still or is that for my generation? Oh, I have no idea. No idea. So yeah. Do you have a cleaning lady? I mean, like, because my cleaning lady does my laundry. Like, I was just going to say, like, do you ever, like, does anyone ever do your guys laundry?

No, my job, like, the pantyho's going to my hamper after we're finished. And it's my job of clean. I'm like, she never, she never deals with any of that. So it's like, all right, these are clean, these are hung up. Right, right, right. That's awesome. I mean, listen, like, you're a lot more interesting than just the panty hose thing. Like, you know.

No, I agree. And I think it's all, like, stems from. the panty house. Like, that's where I think I got my kink. And, like, if it wasn't for my wife, I don't think that I would have explored it. And if I would have, it would have been with other people, you know, so I think a lot of positives. Yeah, totally.

And still positive about your wife, the fact that, you know, you guys have been able to stay together through all the stuff coming out. And because you guys have kids, right? I know that. And, you know, and you could stay a family. And even though it's been a rocky road, right, for all these things that are coming out, like you guys managed to stay together. And I think what's interesting is that, you know, listen, I mean, do you really think that she just started reading lesbian erotic and pretending that you're a girl when you go down on her? Like, please. Okay. There's no way. Like, that girl is probably, you know, having those fantasies as well, you know, for the dawn of time, right? So it's like, you know, in a weird way, you enabled her to be more honest by you sort of like. like, you know, throwing it.

You know, you, you sort of did that first, and that gave her the license to do it, which I think was helpful for her, too, if she was completely honest with herself, you know, because now she's able to admit that sometimes she thinks your goal. And I think that that's, like, probably something she kept hidden from you for a very long time. No, I completely agree. I know there's something else in there, too. I'm still working on her. Oh, yeah, she's going to want a girl, for real.

Like, you're going to get her to have a threesome, for sure. Like she would. She just needs to be, she might take some time, you know, but I, you know, for sure, why would she not want to do that in real life? If she had a partner,

that's okay with it. And you guys did it safely together and you were there. And she could actually experience what she's been fantasizing. She might, you know, you know, why not? Yeah.

And like that's the thing is like we have been, like we've been approached for things like that. And she's very, very anti. And, you know, we joke around about. I was like, oh, well, so-and-sell said that, you know, they would come over, this and that. And I was like, but, you know, I would be more than happy to do that, but everyone's wearing panty-hast.

She's like, oh, my gosh, talk it to panty-hoes. Like, it's a joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think that it would, you know, I don't think it's necessarily never going to happen. So, yeah, but let me tell, let me give you a little piece of advice. If she ever brings up that, and when you talk about her fantasy, okay, which would be her with her girl, right? That's her fantasy.

I would keep panty hose out of it. Do you know what I mean? Like for sure. When you're talking about that, when she brings up that, when you talk about that, there should be no panty hose going on in that threesome because that's her fantasy. And probably panty hose don't belong there. It probably would cock block you. She probably wouldn't want the other person to know about it.

You know what I mean? So like when that's going on with her like or, you know, if you ever start talking about it, seriously like I would just like be like there's no pantyhose in that because that would be just for her her way probably would not include panty hose no I agree and I didn't really think about that but

thanks for advice yeah yeah keep the pantyos out of it and keep me posted okay because I could probably talk to you because I really love like personally for me I love like the whole psychology behind this stuff and it seems like you really talked about like the whole mom thing and all that like I wish I tend to keep

my podcast about an hour long each one. I love that whole aspect of it too because I think it's really interesting. So like get some more shit going down with your girl. Get her to go down on a girl. You go fuck a tranny and then

then call. I'll tell her you said that and then that'll be nice. And then call me back. Wait, is she going to listen to this? Yeah, I might have her listen to it. Oh, I can't wait. I told her about it. Oh, you did?

Yeah. Okay, cool. All right. Well, let's see. see. So yeah, keep in the loop. Yeah, keep me in the loop. I love, like, stories that go on and on. I always have people come on to my show again, depending on what happens, you know. So let me know what she thinks about the show. Let me know about your guys' future encounters. And, you know, next time I have you on, because I have a feeling you'll be back on again one day. We'll discuss

all the psychology behind it, because that stuff I really love too. All right, perfect. Well, thank you so much. No, thanks for calling in. I mean, this became like a lot more about a lot of different things than just the Panios. So it was really. interesting. Definitely. All right. Talk to talk to you soon. Good luck with everything, Alex. All right. Thank you so much. Take care. Bye. Okay. I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly anonymous confession, secret sex lives of total strangers, is now available, not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audio book. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically, you say,

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