Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 187 - Simon's Wife Cheated on him and Now They're Swingers

Episode Date: July 17, 2017

Simon's wife cheated on him and wound up pregnant with the other guy's baby and not only did they stay together, they actually have a much better relationship now and are currently swingers. Who was she cheating on him with? How did he find out? How did they manage to stay together? Tune in to find out PLUS hear the details about how they eventually started having sex with other people and how that has helped their relationship. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Here is your host, Kathy. Hey, welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast with Kathy. If you want to follow the Strictly Anonymous podcast on Instagram or Twitter, follow the show at Strict Anonymous. If you want to be in my show, I'm always looking for people to call in this call and advice show where I talk to total strangers about, like, a lot of different things.

They give them advice, if they have a problem. I, uh, they reveal their secret lives. they talk about their interesting lives, all that kind of good stuff. So if you want to be on the show, some mean email, it's strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com. I have on another guy. He was the listener of the show,

and he sent me an email. And I think I mentioned on the last podcast, if you listened to the last one about the guy cheating that, I had taped another guy that had a wife who cheated on him. And I taped those like around the same time, like maybe a day apart. And their stories were so different. it was so interesting to me.

I didn't know which to air first, but I put the first guy first, the one who, like, wife cheated on him and then started fucking escorts. And he's kind of stuck and he's bitter, but he's still with his wife. I did, I aired that one first. And today I'm airing Simon, the second guy who told me his story about his wife cheating. And Simon's story, it couldn't be any more different. Simon's wife cheated on him. I'm just going to give you, like, the quick story because the long, drawn out, hour long story

is so fucking good. It doesn't matter if you know everything about it because you really want to hear the details. Because basically this is a guy whose wife cheated on him. She didn't just cheat on him. She had like a blazing affair. She had a baby with the other guy. He chose to stay with her, even though all this shit went down. And they're swinging now. They fuck other people and they couldn't be any happier. I mean, that's like the whole story. And you're like, how does one thing lead to another to another? And how are they really happy? Like I would be like, I smell bullshit. Like, yeah, they're happy.

Come on. But you really have to listen to this whole story. I think it's so good on so many levels. It's a hot story. The shit that they're doing now is hot. I'm a little jealous. I'm like, if I have a 20-year relationship ever in my life, I'd want to get to the point where they're at

because they're having a lot of fucking fun when it comes to SCX. But the other part of the story that I think is really great is how they work through the cheating that took place. And it wasn't just cheating. Like I said, she had a full on son, a baby, a child with this other person, and they have that child, and they raise it. And everyone's like sort of very kumayao with each other. And it's, I love that. I think that's the way shit should go down. I hate petty nonsense. I mean, listen, everyone gets angry and things, when things go wrong, and we could all hate people and go through all the emotions. But, you know, eventually you should get to the other side and be okay with things, right? That's what it's about.

what I think. And they were able to do that. And it's not, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not, it's, it's, it's, it's like, like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, two podcasts. One could have been, the whole story about his wife cheating on him, because that whole thing was really fucking interesting, because these people are Christian, too, I forgot to tell you that. They're like fucking Christians. Let me tell you, and they know how to have fun. That could have been the first episode about the cheating and then the whole thing about how they got swinging and what they do and how they do it and who they fuck and all the stuff that they do,

that could have been a whole other one. But this is like the same people. They're living both these stories out. And this is like I said it to him. It's like reading a good book. So get some popcorn or watching a movie and get some popcorn and relax or, you know, and just listen to the good fucking show I have coming up with Simon. We're right back on with Simon.

So I know that you said in your email that you, well, you have an interesting story. I mean, you said that you emailed me a while ago, right? But you weren't ready yet to be on the show. I don't remember what was your first email about. Was it the same situation that we're going to talk about today? Yeah, I just was going to go. I have an interesting history and maybe even like a little bit of a tale of warning. Of what?

Of warning, I guess. Oh, for somebody who may get into all the stuff that I've been. involved in, I guess. Right. But like, so I know that like the gist of your story is this and we'll get into the specifics, but I'll just put it out there, right? And then you'll tell the whole story. Your wife cheated on you, right? Um, yes. And I'm assuming you find out we'll get into that. And then she wound up getting pregnant through that really, right, with the other guy. Yes. And you guys are currently raising that son, right? Like that's your son now, right? But it's not your biological.

all of a sudden. Yes. And then you also said, and I know that this is like a leap, like you go from that to the fact that like now you guys are like kind of sleeping with other people, sleeping with other couples. Is that like a kind of swinging? Yeah. Yeah.

I think it's along those lines. Right. Okay. It's interesting from where I started to where we're at now. Meaning like started like because basically the story is probably going to pick up from when she cheated on you and when you found out, right? Yeah, I'll kind of start from, go a little bit into detail. Not a lot.

Right. We've been married for a long time, over 20 years. Right. And I was raised, both of us were kind of raised in strict religious families. They're Christian-oriented, you know, read the Bible on Sundays. Oh, that's an interesting twist. And so when we first were married, We were both like each other's first virgins, I guess, you know?

Not like not right when we got married, but we were the first to have sex with each other So you had sex before you were married, but you both had not had sex with anyone Yeah, it was like we were already and we were kind of engaged and it was you know And we were both married young, we dated in high school Right, okay I mean our our kind of both of our family you did you did and you were do that kind of stuff, you know, parents were pretty strict. Right. They weren't okay with, you know.

And so, kind of fast forward a little bit. You know, we have a couple of children. And just like ever marriage, after a while, some stuff gets stale. And we started to watch porn sometimes to kind of spice some things up. And I think that's what started. We got into, like, gateway porn. Right. That was your gateway talk. I think that was started a little bit of, like, conversation about a little more wild things, that kind of stuff.

Yeah, but maybe that's a good thing, right? Or maybe is that the warning? No, yeah, it was exciting. It was like, oh, news. It was exciting. This is, you know. And so we did some porn and we had a couple of children, and I was like, now I'm done. We're done having children. We're going to move on. in our phases of life. So I ended up getting a vasectomy. And then we still kind of were talking about experimenting stuff.

And I was like, well, I'm not going to get anybody pregnant if we do anything. And she's like, yeah, I know. And so we were thinking about doing, she wanted to do a threesome at one point. She was like, I want to do it with you and another guy. Wow. I'm not gay by any means. I didn't want to do like some. with the guy. I wasn't into, you know, that kind of stuff.

But I was kind of okay with the fact that she wanted to do something because it was just so, it was so out of the ordinary from where we came from. You know, basically very missionary sex for years and years and you didn't, you know, there was, it was so plain. I can't describe it. And really it was like the porn that got you talking and then like it, that made her so, It actually was a, it was a, it was a, it was a, it was a corn video that had a, a three-sum with two guys, and she was excited about it. She was, it was a definite, like a physical, emotional change in her that when she gets excited or aroused, it turns me on a lot. So, her seeing that, her changing, I was like, whoa, this is awesome.

So then all of a sudden, I was like, hey, we need to go get another porn video. Let's go. This was back in the days when you had to go get a VHS. Yeah, yeah. So you were, like, thinking of every fantasy you ever had, and you're like, let me get one of those porn. Because then maybe she'll be into that, too. Yeah, right, two girls.

And the first, she was, she was like, I don't want you to have sex with a girl. I'm not into that yet. I'm not ready for that. She goes, but I kind of want to do this. And I was like, well, we'll see, we got to the point where we actually looked Craig's list.

Right. And this guy responded. We talked to him for a while. We kind of made a plan or a date for this Saturday. I was like, I'm going to go get some whiskey so I can take a shot or two because I'll be too nervous before we do anything. And she was like, yeah, I agree.

So the date rolls around and the guy doesn't say anything to us. Like we call and talk. Nothing. Oh, shit, he got, like, cold feet. Okay, right. Yeah, he's gone. So the next day, she's like, hey, we struck out with him, maybe we can try somebody else. And I was like, all right.

And I honestly, I was a little bit relieved. Like, I was so nervous about it. Mm-hmm. That I was a little bit relieved. Obviously, she was into it because she's like, let's put another out of him. She was, she wanted. And so I don't know what it was. When we first did this, and so I kind of did the room, we first did this.

I was, I was like, I don't, it sounds so dumb now, but I was like, I don't want you to kiss a guy. No, it doesn't sound dumb. A lot of people have that, like, that's a very different thing than sex. Yeah. It's more intimate, right? I don't, I don't think that anymore, but I did at the time. And so she's like, whatever, okay, I'll tell them that we're not doing that. So I read the email.

Really quickly, though, like, I mean, the deal was like, okay, you can't. kiss her but like the deal was you were meeting this guy for him to like have actual sex like he was gonna fuck your wife and you were gonna be there yeah okay i know exactly that's that's the thing he's gonna have sex with her and yet i'm worried about him kisser listen i had sex with a guy once for like eight years he was like a long-term booty call i never kissed him once i didn't want to but i had sex of them so i mean i get it like everyone has weird rules i just wanted to make sure there was no other rules like it was full on like she was gonna have sex and you were going to be Right?

Just no case. He was going to have the effect with both of us. Kind of, you know, maybe a blow job while we're doing it, that kind of stuff. Totally. Okay. Talk about even some D.P. stuff. And, you know, I wasn't even quite sure how the logistics of that would work. But I love that the Christians are going right for the real deal.

I mean, you're just, like, jumping in the water. Yeah. Anyways, we, what I was getting at was like, he had sent him this email, and he was, She was like, hey, do you have any rules? And she's like, no, none. And she had sent that to me and to him both. And I was like, hey, yeah, we do it. Well, why didn't you tell him that?

And I bothered me. And for some reason, she was gone or whatever, and I went and looked at her emails. I totally spooked. I mean, there was no doubt about it. Okay, she was the one emailing the guy. Yes. Okay. And so you went in looking for more emails.

She did. She did. tell me it was a total turn on email on this guy. She's like, I got totally wet, just sitting there, we're talking about sex, I'm talking about with this other guy, I couldn't believe it. She said, I was super turned on.

Right. She was like, I wanted you to come home from work so we could hammer it out. I couldn't, you know. Yeah. And so I knew she was really into this. Well, the guy flakes, and just something sounded weird in the back of my head. So this

is after he'd flake. Okay. I went and looked at her emails that she had set back and forth with this guy. The first couple of them are just total normal stupid flirty stuff. Some of them was like, what kind of stuff you want into, yada, yada. And at some point I read maybe the third one, it was like, hey, do you want to meet at this hotel I have reservations for her? Oh, and he said that to her? yes and she said yes i will be there and i checked a date on it and it or i checked like when they were supposed to meet and it was not the

saturday night that we were supposed to do something it was like a week before that oh my god that's a i mean i never thought like i mean i've heard a lot of cheating stories but this is a really interesting one with a weird twist because it's kind of like she could have fucked him like with you but yet somehow she so go on i'm sorry i'm cutting you off. Yeah, yeah, no, no. You're, listen, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, okay, go on.

Okay, so she goes and she had planned and went down and met this guy a week before. And I'm not the wise, until I read the email. and kind of start putting it together. So she had already had sex with this fucking guy. Yes. And then he stopped talking to us, the very, you know, when we're supposed to go. Oh, my God, how do you know the first guy?

She didn't do the same thing with that other guy that flaked. Wait, wait, wait, wait. This is the same guy. You got something confused. The same guy that just stopped talking to us, this is the guy she went down and slept with a week before. Oh, okay. Oh, I thought you put another ad out.

Yeah, we kind of did. but we, you know, not, while we were putting the ad out, the second ad out is when I started doing the detective work. Oh, okay, okay, yeah, so I was a little, okay, so, so I, yeah, I was totally confused.

Okay, so it's the same guy and he flaked, and that's when you, so it was before you put the first thing, you started to think maybe something was up and you wound up looking in the email, and that's when you found out that she had already, fuck the guy. She met him once, and they had sex.

That's right. Okay, was it, like, in the middle of the day? Like, you had just no idea? Yes, she just like went down. She said she was going someplace and didn't go there. Oh, my God. Met the guy in a hotel and just checked in for an hour and left. Were you blown away?

Like, shocked? I mean, I'm shocked and I don't even know her because it's almost like, you know, I don't know. Like I thought it was a big leap that you guys were going from like, you know, Christian virgins reading the Bible to porn to fucking another guy while she's blowing you. And listen, that's over, like, you know, we've been very 20 years, so that's over a long period of time. It's not like that was just happened in one year. Right, but no, but I mean, is it, it's like such a, like, to me, it's like, who the fuck are you, right? Kind of? Yeah, I was, I was, I was blown away by it.

And I went and confronted her, and she was like, listen, I don't, I'm not going to say this is an excuse because this is poor. But, yeah. She was like, you have no other, don't understand. For me, this was totally, I was totally nervous. That's what she said. She goes, and I felt like I needed to meet this guy before we ever did anything. And it just so happens that I met him and we did stuff. That was what she said to me.

I was like, whatever, but I was not happy about it. But I kind of, there was a small amount of me that kind of understood that. Okay. So you were okay. So she rationalized it to you in a way that it was, okay. That wasn't really okay with it. It bothered me for a long time. I was like, this is dumb and we're not doing this.

I, you totally, I don't trust. All the trust is now blown out of the water, and I wanted to trust. You know, for this kind of situation, there's got to be some kind of trust. Right, and you're telling me, like, we already know, everyone already knows that your wife cheated on you, and I'm assuming that this isn't the cheating story. No, I kind of consider this cheating. It was totally behind my back. It's not like this was what we planned on doing together.

Totally. Yeah, absolutely. But the whole point is that this isn't even the cheating story. This is just like this was her appetizer That's right This is kind of So a year or so A year or so goes by

And I find out like through a friend Hey she's been hanging out with This guy at work And so I confront her about it And obviously she denies it And

Then I confront her about it again Like a few months later And I'm very very in total snoopy kind of trying to figure things out, think if something's going on. Because I don't trust her because of what happened before. Right. And it's not a good time in our marriage.

We had a really good marriage up until this, and this is what's making me like, oh, great. Here I am, talking to porn and stuff and escalated our marriage into this. and now, you know, we have two children. It's rocky. Right, and she's out of control. It's like you let the genie out of the bottle.

Yeah. That's kind of how I felt. That's exactly what you. You opened Pandora's box. Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh. So the bottom line is I catch her one night out with this guy, and she says she's out with

friends, but she's not. She's out with this guy. And did you catch her because you were snooping and you knew. were to check in that kind of shit. Yes, and I had contacted one of her friends, and I was just blunt about it, and I said, listen, I think she's up to something.

Uh-huh. And I don't think that. The friend snitched on her? And the friend totally snitched on her. I said, yeah. Oh. And the friend, and her are not friends anymore. I can imagine. What kind of friends snitches on their friend?

I know. That's what she said. I was like, what are you talking about? You're a cheater. She's like, I don't care. You don't. Yeah. So, yeah, anyways, I don't, I feel bad that the friendship's not there, but whatever. Yeah, I mean, that's the least of your problems, okay? Don't worry.

That's right. I don't care about that. So it's devastating. I'm totally devastated. I mean, like I'm thinking, we're going to get the work. Wait, so you go and you see her someplace? Do you confront them? Do you just, like, kind of take a picture and say I'll confront her later?

No, I just know, I like calling. I was like, hey, um, I'm coming to see you because I miss you, blah, blah, blah, and I know she's not where she says she is already. Right. And I'm, and so finally, she's like, what is up? And I was like, you're not even where you are. I know where you're at. You're at such and such as house.

Oh, my God. Oh, she was at the guy's house. Yeah. And she goes, she just doesn't say anything. Mm-hmm. And then it's kind of basically, do you even want me to come home? And I was like, not really, but we probably need to talk. Mm-hmm.

So she comes home eventually. Um, it's, it's just, like, just for the first month, she's there, but we're not really there kind of. It's just a, it's a shitty situation. And I mean, like, you're just angry. I'm depressed. I stop eating. She's not right. Mm-hmm.

And that goes on. for like a couple of weeks. How old were your kids at that time? Teenagers. Okay, so do they get rid of what something's going on? Younger teenagers. Yeah, they don't know yet,

but they know something's up, obviously. Right. And so then we finally sit down and talk about it and I want to work it out. I'm like, I don't want to, we've been married a long time.

We have a great chemistry when everything's right. I just, I don't want to just end. And she was like, I don't know. I actually have feelings for this other person.

Ooh, even worse. Yeah, and it wasn't just, it wasn't just a one night. It was an affair. There's a difference

which is like, it was a total affair. It was, it was like works of, like they went on dates. I mean, I was like, how didn't you find time

to go on a date? I just, blown away, how, I didn't know that this was going on. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's...

You just get so wrapped up in your normal everyday life, or, you know, you're going, I'm going to the office, and she's going to do something. You don't realize that she may not even be telling you the truth when she's doing this or that, and it ends up being that we... I want to work things out, and she doesn't know that she wants to. Right. So we end up actually separating for a month or two. Okay.

And during the separation is when I find out that she's... she's pregnant. And I already know there's no way. Oh my God. I mean, it just gets worse and worse for you. Yeah, because I've already had a second week. So there's no way. Right. That's probably why she told you. Oh, my God. There's always like a small chance, I guess, that you, that it could have, like, because it was so far back that, you know, it could have failed or something like that. But it didn't because we made sure later on that there was a paternity test done. Oh, God. All I know is that Yeah, that was difficult.

She had to, like, call you up and say, Hey, I have some bad news. You know, actually, because I really wanted to work on my marriage, I took, I was like, hey, do you want to go out on a date? I would take her out on, like, a Saturday night or a Friday night. We'd go someplace. I'd go pick her up. And we went someplace, and I ordered, like,

apple margaritas or something and she wouldn't drink them and I remember thinking what I was weird you know he like had two sifts of it and wouldn't drink it and that's when I asked her later on that night it's like is are you pregnant what's the deal

and he just broke down and started telling me yeah yeah I am how old was she at this time yeah what's that how old was she at this time um she's in her mid-30s. Okay.

So she was fucking in without a condom. Yes. Yeah. Which probably because she's normal. Normal. I mean, that was normal to her because that's all we did

about a condom. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because I've been... I don't know that she's normal like or like that that's just what she... I mean, just the people just like

don't like condoms. It's just, in the heat of the moment, people just don't want to fucking use condoms. I talk about that all the time. I won't. I will say this, she actually had been on the pill. Right.

I forgot about this. She actually had been on the pill, and I remember questioning her why she was on the pill when I've already had of this type of me. Oh, you're kidding. Yeah, this is one of those reasons why I was worried about. Like, I was in detective mode. I was like, what the heck are you on the pill for?

Yeah. You don't. Well, listen, if you're kind of smart and you pick up on things and like you're really paying attention. Sometimes when things like that get thrown out, like it's like your mind. Like you could put that stuff together really quickly. I know I'm like that.

Like it's just like something. Yeah. I totally questioned it. She was like, oh, it's why I've been having really bad periods, regulate it, whatever.

Oh my God. And you think back when somebody does something like that, like you think back to all the lies. It's not just the one lie that they're cheating. You think back to that time when she said that, in that time when she's, you know, because it's like one lie turns into like 50 or more. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God.

It's terrible. So she tells you, she now, I mean, to me, the worst thing is, like, first she tells you she fuck somebody else, then she tells you, I not only did I fuck them, like, I really care about this person. I don't know if I want to work it out with you. Like, she might want to be with that guy. And now she's pregnant. And she wants to keep the baby.

Yeah, I mean, that was never even discussed, like whether she would. I guess it was between them. It wasn't with me. Like I said, we were both raised really religious. I'm still. I know, but I'm sorry, but I have to just say the funniest thing with, like, religious people sometimes is like, or, you know, that, like, you say, like, I'm sure, like, your religion says don't cheat and don't fuck, like, die. But you do those things. So, like, you know, but abortion, no way kidding.

Yeah. That would be, that would be crossing the line. You know. That's probably true. I don't think it's religion. Maybe she just didn't want to have an abort. You know. She didn't, no, yes.

She had talked to, she had actually talked about it. I know that it was talked about briefly. But she's like, I'm not doing that. Right. So that really didn't, that was it. It was just, it was a brief conversation with the other guy. So now she's having the baby. The other guy and her stopped seeing each other at some point.

And she comes to me instead. Did the baby cop block that relationship? Was he kind of like, oh, I'm not interested in that? I don't think so. I think he was wanting to, he was like, all right, I'll do this. And I don't, it's kind of a gray area or an iffy area as to what I believe and what actually happened. But the way she says is that she eventually said, no, I'm going to give it one more chance with my marriage first. And so she said, I'm not seeing you anymore.

And she really wasn't seeing him per se when she was separated from me. They would still talk on the phone, but they weren't like seeing each other like they were before with the affair. Okay, so how long after, but let me ask you this, how long after she tells me that she's pregnant, does she tell you I want to be with you and not the other guy? Oh, she was probably three months pregnant. But I knew about the pregnancy before that. How did you know? she told me probably a month earlier right that's what i mean i'm saying when did she when she told you about the pregnancy how long after she told you about the pregnancy did she then tell you you you know what

i want to come back and be with you probably another month or so month or month or two i think it was maybe a month it wasn't very long now in all of these situations like when she told you she was cheating and then when she told you she was having an affair and she was emotionally involved then when she's like and none of those points did you ever consider like okay this is like the this is it like i'm not i can't do this anymore like i'm out like it was yeah yeah but i didn't want i was you know what i was i didn't want my kids that grow up in a in a divorced family i grew up in one and i really did not want them to so i felt like i really owed it to them to really try right i get it i then you like you're like you're with each other yeah i think a lot of people that would

themselves in that position because there's a lot more invested. It's not like, I mean, you're with her for so long. You have kids. And I mean, it's so messy, though. I wonder how, like, your whole Christian family, like, winds up finding out this information. Like, how do you explain the baby? You know, it wasn't as bad.

It was not as bad as you think. Pretty forgiving, you know, on all sides. My family and hers as well. Pretty forgiving. That's actually really great. Because sometimes, like, people that are really religious wind up to be, like, the judgmental unforgiving people?

It's like really great that they actually practice what they preach and they were forgiving for that behavior. You know what I mean? And like for her mistake. As much as I thought

they would be judgmental as well. Not at all. I was very shocked and surprised by everybody. I mean, but how horrifying was it for you guys to have to tell

your family? I mean, that's like a whole other thing. Right? Yeah, I kind of had said stuff to people while we were still in the midst of it was so It was so messy It was a giant shit show and I'm not kidding when I say that It's just a giant messy shit show

You know through that whole period Because there's so many more people involved It's not just something that's happening between you and her right? It's just like especially with the other child when the other child comes comes into play, like that just opens up a whole, that's when it turns into the shit show, because then you have to like go tell the families and, you know, I mean, and the children and it's a whole different ball game. It's not my best moments by any means.

Or her, I wish I could take back. Right. Oh, yeah. So eventually because she's like, no, I'm done with him, she really does commit to that. And it took me a long time to trust that situation, like over a year, like very much so. Yeah, that's very realistic. I mean, if you told me you got over it in a month, I'd be like, that's bullshit. But, yeah, of course.

No, no, it took you that long. Really, I mean, maybe even more than a year. Of course. You know, just, it was a long time before I felt even somewhat comfortable with her saying, yeah, I'm going this place and me thinking, Are you really going there or not? Right. And they're texting me where you're at and taking pictures.

You had to, but you had to learn to, you had to, like, she had to gain your trust all over again. That's like starting from the beginning. I'll tell you, this is so, this is probably like more than you really even want to know. But this whole, like, it would cause so much stress on me that I would literally either A, throw up or B, I'd have to. to just run to the bathroom and I would just I'd lose it. I'd lose everything because of the stress. Yeah, of course. From dealing with it.

If somebody thinks that stress isn't real, they have no idea. Right, or that there's a mind-body connection. Like people think that that's so, this hokey thing, but it's really not. It's like the real, that's what they say stress is. It's a mind-body. You were dealing with such emotional stuff.

Your body was physically reacting to it. Yeah, it would shut, I couldn't believe that. I was like, oh, I'm just throwing up out of nowhere. Are you kidding me? Right. I couldn't. I'm, anyways, we get through that first year or two, and it's very rocky.

But how about the baby? Can you just explain that a little bit? Like, do you sit down the children? I mean, because that's like, I don't know. I'm curious of like how that guy gets out of the picture, like, how you. Like, why does it, yeah, it's not a, it wasn't, it was not a fun picture or a fun thing to tell. I didn't tell the, um, my, my two children, I let my wife tell them about why she's pregnant now and that there's another father. Mm-hmm.

And this guy wants to be involved with the child. Oh, okay. Yeah, I was wondering about that. So he wanted to stay in the picture. Oh, God. So now you have to live. Oh my God, I didn't even think about that. So you have to not only, you know, learn how to trust her all over again and love this child and take this child on.

You have to, this guy's going to stay in your life, the guy who had an affair with your wife. Yeah. Yeah. Yay, yeah. It's something that, isn't it? Well, it just sounds really, it sounds really fucking brutal. You know what I mean? On you.

Like, you know, that's a, like, that's not just one bad, that's like a lot of bad shit to have to deal with. I mean, you must be a very strong person, not strong to have dealt with it, but strong now because, you know what I mean, now that you're through it. I mean, come on. Like, that's a, that's some, that's, that's, that's hard. Yeah, it was, I wouldn't wish it on anybody and I would never go through it again. Like I'm telling you right now. I don't know. I would hope you'd never have to go through it.

again? I mean, even if I knew now, I don't think I would do it again. I think I'd have just gotten divorced. I think, like, literally, I don't think I would have attempted it even again. Right. It was that difficult at the time. Yeah. I mean, and you went through it. And so are you at the point, like, where you are, like, and I don't know if I'm speeding too much ahead, but, like, I mean, do you and that guy and the child, I mean, how old is that child now? Oh, he's four, almost five. Okay. And so like,

do you all kind of coexist and it's like a happy, one big happy family at like the holidays and birthdays and stuff like that? I mean,

how involved is he in the kids' life? Not that much. Okay. Not that much, but, but, you know,

like, when there's exchanges, you know, when he's going from different houses, it's not that big a deal. There's no, you know,

there's no weirdness right there. Yeah. For the most part, we get along. If we did have to have things that were, you know, if he had an issue where he was going to say, you know, let's say he's old enough and he's getting baptized or something like that, then, yeah, it would be okay if we were both there.

You know, that wouldn't be the end of the world or, or I guess, parent-teacher conferences, I don't know if we've had one yet where we've had, like where we all meet, but that wouldn't be a big deal. We're adult enough. All of us said to be like, yeah, this is, we're here for this child, not for our own meat. All right. Listen, I give all three of you guys.

Nothing is really that ugly. Everybody is pretty okay with. And the other guy has another wife. He's married now. He wasn't at the time, but he's married now. And so even she has to kind of be okay with the situation, which she is so far. so yeah i think that's great and you know i think the thing that i think is so interesting about this is

there's like so many people that have like really wretched divorces with people and they hate each other and they have they spend years and years going against each other and the kids suffer because of it and we've seen this time and time again right i'm sure you know people you see it in the media you know and it's like i don't think any of those people went through what you've went through. Do you know what I mean? And like you were able to not have it turn into that kind of like really vicious, petty, awful stuff, even with this other guy that it really shows that, you know, you can sort of work through really messy things, you know, in a way that doesn't make things even 10 times worse, right? Because I mean, you could have gotten really, like you could really hate this guy to

this day and people would probably understand but you don't you know and there's people that hate people in their lives for a lot less worse stuff is that grammatically correct I don't fucking know yeah I totally know what I just I don't have listen I've had

enough stress and hard stuff to deal with I don't have time to hate like that and just I don't yeah no I think that that's great and I think that that's a testament to like who you are as a person and also your wife and, you know, and this guy, you know, and I think that that's really good that you were able to work it out amicably, especially for the child after going through all that,

because I think it's really difficult, and I think that that's wonderful. So how many years has it been? So the kid's four. So you're four years away from that. It took you, you said about a year for you to. So five years, he'll be almost five. So really five and a half years since I kind of.

found out. Right, but so a year and a half goes by and you start to trust her again. And so I'm assuming we're getting into the part of the story where you guys start to like get involved with letting other people into your... Well, just a couple, not, I guess maybe two summers ago. Yeah. We, um, we hadn't done anything else like that. We were just kind of getting our, you know, We really had to re-fall in love again in a lot of ways. And kind of really start over our relationship. And we were hanging out, going out more with groups of friends and stuff. And we ended up having, my wife had a couple of friends that she was really good friends with.

What happened was this, it's not like we planned on this, I guess, was what I'm getting at. We didn't sit down and talk about, hey, you want to start doing this, you know, swinging open stuff, whatever. Right. It just happened to be one night that she was out swimming with one of her friends and they were drinking at this friend's house. And she'd call them, yeah, come on over, blah, blah, blah. When I come over there, both of them are swimming naked, and they've been drinking a lot. and they asked me to get into the pool with them. And I mean, my wife is a good-looking lady,

and her friend is a good-looking lady. It wasn't going to not get in the pool with them. Right, right. And they're both naked. I mean. Yes, and they're both naked. I mean, this is the first naked girl in real life you've ever seen since your wife, because I'm assuming you've been faithful with your wife.

Kind of. Right? Yeah, really kind of. I mean, I guess it was one girl in high school. But, you know, yeah. This is basically basically the first set of tits. you've seen that are new. Yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah, you're getting in that pool. And considering that she was able to, like, dip in some other pond, like, you deserve to see those tits. You know what I mean? After all you've been through. Yeah. Yeah.

I wasn't feeling guilty. And my wife was okay. Yeah, come on and get it. So we're swimming around and playing grab ass and, I mean, just we're really drinking a lot. Everybody is very beyond just feeling good. starting to get almost a little sloppy. And a lot of hand grabbing and that kind of stuff is going on where both of them are grabbing me in places and I'm feeling free and grabbing both of them in places. And just that kind of, a lot of, I guess what, second base is that what they call that?

Yeah. You know, feeling up second base. A lot of that happened that night. Right. And that was basically all that happened. Okay. We go home and I kind of like, damn, what was that going on?

She was like, yeah, that was fun, wasn't it? And I was kind of blown back. This is like a couple days later we talked about it after everybody's sobered up. I thought that her reaction might be a little different. But she said, no, that was pretty exciting. And I was like, yeah. So not much has said about it.

And then a week later, they're out. swimming again and they're like yeah come on over and at this point it turns into me actually having sex with both of them wow and I guess I probably sped through that but you know there's a lot of more hand feeling and whatnot and all of a sudden you know this my wife's friend is a lot closer to me than just hand feeling and she gets on and I didn't really say anything to my wife at first you kind of you know in the pool you kind of just can float back Yeah, yeah, totally. And he got right on.

And we started doing it. And then my wife hopped on and then she hopped on. And I felt like I was like 18 again. I was like, you've got to be kidding me. Yeah, right? Yeah, that's crazy. And you weren't worried that your wife was not cool with it because everyone was just kind of like having a good time

and it was like obvious to you that she was fine. Yeah, I did feel like it was okay. I mean, again, we weren't probably quite as drunk this time around. but we definitely had still had quite a few drinks and it was it was kind of loose right mm-hmm it lasted for hours like there was no like if you were going to start to feel bad

I don't think it would have lasted and there was long we were we were out of that pool so long that we were all turned like into wrinkled oh my god hilarious wait so you she fucked you you fucked your wife like did they get out did they go out of it? For two or three hours we barely got out of the water and

I guarantee you I come to at least seven times. I've never done that. Oh my God. That's a hot story. Wait, did they get it on with each other too? Oh, just, yeah, a tiny bit. Like, I was like, man, I got to make some, I thought this might be the end of it. You know, like, this might be the best thing that I'm ever going to get.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I did kind of do a little, hey, yeah, like, why don't you guys try some stuff? Come on, you know, like after I'd already done a few things. And it was, come on. And it was just a little bit, not a ton of stuff, but I did do my wife from behind while she was eating the girl's vagina out a little bit. She was going down on the girl, and you were fucking your wife. And just I was, I was pretty, it was amazing, and I was like, this other girl eventually,

I do remember she was touching me while we're just kind of sitting up. We got out of the pool. It was a hot summer night. We were sitting out of the pool and still really hot outside so it was not a big deal to this lay out naked even at night and she was

just slowly touching me just playing with my cock and I remember thinking this is unbelievable my wife was sitting right next to me on the other side and I remember it was so different just another girl touching me

and she was touching me in such a different way from my wife It still stuck in my head I remember thinking my gosh I can't believe that somebody else is doing it It's a different way And it feels fantastic Right because it's like

That's that thing that guy Like it's a variety You had never had that in your life I mean you were with your wife No it's always the exact Yeah It was the same thing When you're with the same person

And this isn't I don't want to say This isn't a bad thing Right But it is the same play You know Right I know there's a I know there's a comedian

that does a funny bit about him and his wife and so they've done it for so long she knows all the moves And that's what it is Right You're like yep, no I'm that I saw that coming That's the same thing You've been doing all the time

You know it's the same moves There's no different And even though it was subtle It was totally different what she was doing Right and it was amazing And she was hot On scale of 1 to 10 What are all you guys

I normally ask all my college I haven't been doing that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're like all sevens and eight or eight to nine, I guess. I feel like, I mean, I'm probably getting more, as I've gotten older, more into a dad body than I really want. But I'm still somewhat, I'm still somewhat pretty lean. Uh-huh. And my wife and her friend both stay in pretty good shape.

Right. So they're hot, and you got to bang both of them multiple times. You said you came. she gave you blow jobs the other girl like all that went down right everything it was like yeah i don't know but i just yeah i don't even know if there was a lot of oral going on other than the two of them did stuff but definitely yeah they both were riding me and i was loving and i you know what that's the one i can i can come and come right back pretty fast i don't have like a short right right turnaround time i guess i have a short turnaround time i guess yeah that's pretty that you're pretty

lucky, right? Yeah. That you could like throw on calm. I mean, will it take you a really long time to come the second time or no?

You could just get it. No. Not after a while. Okay. But you came seven times. Yeah, but that's because it was the first time. I don't know if I could do that again.

Yeah, yeah. Totally. I don't. You know, I, I can't, okay, maybe it's a curse

because sometimes I do come too fast. Uh-huh. But if I had come, too fast, I can come again, I can be hard again in minutes. Right, right. Maybe even not even minutes. I get hard really fast and then I can come again usually fairly quickly, but I'll

last a little longer and then I might last even a little longer. Well, that makes up for it if you came so fast because then it doesn't even matter. I do feel like, yeah. Yeah, that's not a bad deal. I can stay with it until the girl comes. I can do that for sure. Right. So you guys have this amazing.

time, right? And like you say, like hours go by and nobody soberes up and is like, what the fuck are we doing? Like, everyone's like cool with it. No, and then we come home that night and then me and my wife fuck again like three more times. So really, I can't tell you. I mean, I was so

bad that the next day, and my dick hurt. It just hurt. I was like, you've got... You are used and abused. Oh, and I would get hard thinking about how hot that was, and it would just hurt. It was so painful. Oh, my God. Right.

Yeah. That happened on one more occasion about two weeks later with the same girl. Mm-hmm. And my wife, she's got this great swimming pool, and it has turned into a sex bed. It's a little bit. And it's just perfect. It's a great place to go. It's kind of out of the way.

Anyways, my wife has a kind of a kind of. co-worker that both of them know. It's this guy. And she invites him to come over one night while we're going over there to go swimming. And now I've gone over there so many times is basically we're all

swimming nude. No matter what that happened. Yeah, and this guy, and I'm like, okay, I've been fucking this other girl now. Like, I've done her a bunch of times. Yeah. And so I can't be like, oh, well, I don't want this dude here. Yeah, yeah.

That's what, it's how I kind of feel. But it's a little weird. I'm a little weird about it. So he comes over and we're just all kind of drinking. And then eventually my wife's friends like, yeah, we all swim naked in this swimming pool. And he's like, all right, I guess. So he kind of gets in with us. And eventually my wife's friend gravitates over towards me.

Right. And she immediately starts making a. out with me and basically doesn't even pay attention to my wife and this other guy anymore. And they're kind of more than a deeper part of the pool. And so I can't see as much. It's very dark. But I am totally like one eye on the girl in front of me who, listen, I'm not like even remotely tired of by.

Yeah, yeah, of course. It feels fantastic. Yeah. But I'm taping one eye on like kind of what's going on. Mm-hmm. So at some point, my wife then comes back over to me, and she says, listen, I haven't done anything really with this guy. We've kind of touched each other.

Mm-hmm. Is it okay if we end up having sex? Right. And I was like, yeah, I guess. Well, I don't know what I'm going to say? No, while her friend has already been on top of me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they end up having sex, and I remember.

at the same time so maybe it's not as big a deal because I'm doing it also at the same time so I'm not thinking about it as much but there is a thing going in my head like oh my gosh they're really over there doing this this is really happening how do I feel about this I got a flood of emotions

going through my head and I can like hear her kind of making those noises sex noises and it's a turn on I'm like whoa this is not what I expected for me heard that recently from somebody else that said that they didn't even think that they were going to be turned on by that but they wound up that they were yeah that's not i wasn't i was like that's not

what i expected by any means i was like why is that a turn on for me yeah and so they end up doing it for a while and we come home that night we talk about it some more and us talking about it some more and us talking about it is a giant turn on. Right. So you guys fuck again. Yeah, that's the sexiest thing out of this whole thing, honestly. Right. Don't give you wrong.

All the other stuff is fantastic. But the sex that I have with my wife after something like that happens, there's never been anything better. Yeah, I have heard that before for people. And that's how it adds to your sex life, right? It's only adding to it. Yeah. It really, it does. And it's, I wish I could explain it, but there, you are so aroused and so turned on, like the buildup before you even have sex, because you're talking about all the stuff that you did.

And, you know, the different emotions that you're going through, and they're all really good. And, I mean, like, I'm ready to come before we even do it, just with wind blowing and just talking about it. Right. It's so bad that I know my wife has asked me in full. She goes, like, are you already coming? And I'm like, no, that's my, I'm just leaking so bad out of my, it's like all over her leg. I mean, she thinks I'm coming. I'm not.

I'm just, like, my dick can't control itself. It's like pre-com. Yeah, and it's not just like a little bit. I know what like a little bit is. It is a ton coming out. Yeah, that's crazy. And I, yeah, and that's, I, it's, anyways, it's super arousing. It's a huge turn on and I have never had sex.

that good. It's the best sex I've ever had. Wow. And with your wife, with the same woman that you've been with, and it's never been that amazing. It's never, it's never, my wife, I mean, loses all of the missions. She, I swear the kids are going to come downstairs and be like, oh my gosh, mom, we can hear you throughout the house. Like, it's just that fantastic. Right. So it's obviously this she feels the same way. Yeah, yeah. She, she, she's told me. She's like, this has made our marriage so fantastic on the sexual side of things. Right. Now, it has, I do have some, I do go through, I think, some jealousy issues to a certain extent.

But they haven't been really that big a deal, I guess. Uh-huh. Because she's not running off just with this guy, you know, and it's not, there's no, like, there's them sneaking off. Mm-hmm. Um, we have done since then, and this is kind of escalated. It's just been with this same, this lady who's single and my wife's friend and then this guy that she kind of works with at times. Right.

They're both single. And it's just been with these two people. Mm-hmm. And you're not worried. I mean, the guy that, when you say she works with, you're talking about the other girl, not your wife, right? Your wife doesn't work with the other guy. no my wife works with this guy

oh she does it doesn't like once in a while you say you kind of sometimes might have jealousy does it ever do you ever worry because like you know it does it ever like sort of push your buttons because she worked with that other guy that she had an affair and like you get a little nervous because she kind of sees him outside of like that pool sexual experience

yeah yeah I think that's what I've gone through but we have we talk about this quite a bit. And we have done some stuff. Like, we've done a few, like, it escalated to where we were going, like it got cold in the wintertime. Yeah. We're not out there.

We're not cool. We're not going outside the house now at this lady's house. And we've done some, we haven't done it like all four of us in her bed. Like, I don't know. It's like,

I guess, you know, we're thinking like it's too much bodies on a clean-sized bed. I don't know. So it's been just me and her, and my wife and this other guy have gone out in the other room, like in the living room. So we've done some stuff separate bedrooms. After we've all hung out for the night, you know, maybe we went out and bar hopped a little bit, or we've gone, you know, some different stuff. We just hung out as friends, but at the end of the night, we ended up going back to her house and ended up fucking.

Mm-hmm. And that happened for a while over the wintertime. And then, um, at one point, my wife asked me if it was okay if she went over to this guy's house one time while he was home alone. Oh. And, but she asked you.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, she did. She said, hey, he would like to know if I can come over. And so I was a little hesitant about it. And I'm not going to lie. there was part of me that was like, well, if she really wanted to do this, she'll just do it behind my back. And that was the old thinking, you know, of because of the history. So I was like, well, okay, if that's what you want to do.

But it wasn't really okay with it to a certain extent. Right. Okay. But then she goes over there and I'm totally turned on thinking about the fact that she's going to have sex. I didn't expect that. Oh, right. As opposed to you were freaking out that she was there. You started to get turned on.

Yes. Like, I'm like, oh, she's going to be having sex right now. Right. And I know it because she's going over there for that reason. It's kind of almost a booty call. And so it's weird. I went through this whole phase where I was just excited about it. And I didn't, again, I was not expecting.

that um i think the psychology to that is crazy i wish i knew why my brain actually even got turned on by that like i literally i'll get if if that is that scenario then it's going to happen i'll just get hard and i won't even understand why like it just it just happens and um so she goes over she ends up having sexism comes back and then she's like i she can't wait have sex with me because she's so turned on why what happened. Right. Uh-huh. Totally.

Yeah. So we talk about, you know, like they did a couple of different positions. She thinks it's super hot and we end up having fantastic sex afterwards. Mm-hmm. And we've done some stuff with this other friend just, again, we've done a couple other times where we've just done a threesome with the other girl. Yeah. And I wouldn't even say it's just a threesome.

My wife actually really likes to watch me have a, sex with this other girl and she likes to just play with herself. Right. Which that's something that's blown me away. Mm-hmm. All of this stuff, all of this stuff, you know, I go way back to when we were first married and we were just doing missionary sex. I mean, doggie style was a stretch front.

You know, that was a... Wow. That's crazy. So, yeah, and there's times where she has told me she's... She loves it when I make her friend come. she will go that will get me so excited. And I have gone over to her friend's house just to have sex with her. Oh, so you've done that too, alone, right, while your wife is alone and then you come back.

My wife actually set that up for me. I didn't, I didn't, to be honest with you, I'm not as a biggest fan of that. Like, I really have a hard time. The anxiety that I have doing that is really so much so that it's hard for me to handle. I guess. Like I get, I don't know what it is, but I have anxiety. But my wife literally calls me one day while she's out doing something. And she's like, hey, so-and-so wants you to go over to her house.

Right. And have sex with her. I'm like, what? She's like, yeah, well, actually, I called her and asked her if she wanted a booie call. Oh, my gosh. So she was, it was for her. It was for your wife. Yeah, and then she goes, and then I want you to come home and tell me about it.

She goes, I'm going to be home in an hour. or I want you to come home and tell me about it, and then we can have sex. And when I came home, all I did was just, I sat and talked with her, and she just gets her vibrator out and just, she just wants me to tell her all the stuff that we did while she rubs that thing.

Well, it's the same thing like you were, like, really horny when she was there. And I'm sure when she was fucking that guy, a part of the turn on while you were home was that you knew that she was fucking that guy. Like the whole thing is like, um, has so many layers, you know, that, like, that's why it just adds, you know, to be like that, like you say, like just so much of a turn on so much more than anything you've ever experienced. There is a ton of layers to this. And I, I wish I knew all of the reasons behind it. Like I just, I've even like done a few, um, reddits to like ask other people if they've ever had this kind of, you know, how do you have this, these emotions? And I've heard some of your shows where other people kind of talked about

where they get turned on by their wife, that's something like that. And I would, I know that if you had told me that before it happened, I would have said, that's no way that's going to turn me on. I know, that's what's so, yeah, and I was talking to somebody recently because I sat, I was saying to the guy, this was a guy who, I just posted his episode where him and his wife, they went very slowly into swapping.

And they did it a little bit different than you, but they're doing full swapping now with other couples. But he was saying, you know, and he watched his wife have sex and he was into it. I was like, it's so interesting. That's like one of the biggest things that I've learned from doing my podcast. I never knew that that it kind of existed. And the weird thing was, was that I was like, you know, when I talk to my guy friends about that, and I was like, wow, I keep having all these people on that, like, that's their biggest fantasy or they love it. And I see that it's like the highest downloaded shit out there that I post.

my guy friends would be like I would never like I don't know like I would and like and that's when the guy said to me like I didn't think I would like it either but it turned and then I realized oh there's this whole other thing that I just learned recently and you're saying the same thing

that these guys that don't think that that would turn them on they don't know unless they try it because it might be that it actually is a fucking real turn on maybe to everybody I don't know yeah I don't it's there's something about

it's like a visual porn. Right. You know, of you seeing somebody that you really care about and you're very attracted to, engage in something. And then, like, knowing that she's having orgasms

and that this is making her feel good, which inevitably is the biggest turn on for me. When I know that my wife is being satisfied, when I know that she, as she masturbates in front of me and then comes, it's all I can do to keep. my hands off of her. Like I can't, it's, it's that much of a turn on because I know that she's feeling good. So she's into it. So then that makes, I'm, I guess that's the kind of guy like that.

I mean, that's my thing. Right. And she's obviously wired in a certain way too because she wants you to fuck her friend. Like that turns her on. She wants to sit there and watch and she's like jerking off, right? And like that's like what gets her horny. Yeah, which I'm blown away by that too, but she's, yeah, she's told me that. She's like, in fact, it's funny. This is so gross that I get turned on by that. But I totally like watching you fuck, you know, what's her name? And I don't want to say her name.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's like, I get totally turned on by it. And I know that you're making her come, and it totally makes me come. Right. Which she has. The one time that we took, well, we've got us to be there a couple times. But we sat into the threesome one time, and my wife just sat next to the two of us. And you started.

her vibrator and just watched us the whole time. And her friend was about to come. She can tell. She was very vocal. Yeah. And my wife, but don't, no, not yet. Not yet. I want to come at the same time.

Wait for me. So she had to like hurry it up and I had to slow down. Yeah, yeah. She wanted to come at the same time. So then she, so then I made the girl start coming right when my wife started coming. And I looked over at my wife and she told, you know, I could so, I could something you laugh at. But you know what I'm talking about that face.

Yeah. Every person has that come face. They roll their eyes back and their head rolls back. Yeah. So I can see my wife's face and her head is just rolling back like she's losing it. And that's it. I can't. And now you lose it, right?

Yeah. Yeah, I can't. That's like I couldn't, even if I wanted to keep going, I couldn't. It was done. Yeah, wow. You guys have come a long way from that messy, messy shit show. So we do have, yeah, we have. have that issue in our lives that's not going away and that's okay because we have a great

child out of the issue like what would you say right it was just i think it's like a past thing i mean does it even really is it really even an issue still in your marriage or is it something i don't think so we you know what we're making the best of a bad situation we're making the best of what was a you're making a leave a lot more than the best of a bad situation i mean like you can't get better than the end of that situation being the fact that you guys now fuck other people and you're having the greatest time. I mean, who would believe this story?

Like, I mean, it's kind of like, it's crazy. Not only like, I mean, listen, if you guys, if your story was that you went through all that cheating and like, you know, and what happened with the son and like, you know, and you guys were able to sort of coexist and you were able to learn how to trust her. Like that would be, that's really interesting.

But you have this whole other thing that sort of came out of it. And now you're doing this other. stuff and that's a whole other thing and that's like an amazing thing that you and your wife are at that place after where you guys have been before. I think though there was something with the whole

involving other people. I think there was always something involved with me and her to a certain extent wanting to be involved with other people early on. And that's like after we'd already been married for just two or three years when we started doing some of the porn stuff.

That was always talked about, and just the talking about it was enough to kind of set the motions and make things exciting. Right. So I think that's something that's always kind of been there. Right. And because you guys have the ball to kind of do it and you cross the line, you realize that not only was it exciting to talk about it, like the real deal was even 10,000 times more exciting. So that, you know. Yeah, we don't even watch porn. We're totally, that's like, why watch it?

Yeah. Yeah. There's not even a real reason to even watch it. It's not even close to as awesome as some of the stuff. Yeah. I mean, you did say in the beginning that you had like a warning. I mean, what is your warning? Like, I mean... I guess, you know, like it started and, and listen, my life couldn't, my life might have not ended up this way. We started off with porn and then wanting to involve other people. And yeah, for me, it's worked out somewhat okay. But you had to go through. Yeah. to that point. And I'm not saying that that's a good idea or bad idea.

It's just what worked out for us. But if you open yourself up, you open your marriage up or you open up that side of things. You don't know what's going to happen. Yeah, you don't know. You have to be prepared to deal with whatever happened. Right. Because when people, like, their sexuality sort of like, I mean, your wife came into her own

and all of a sudden was faced with all these things and then just like acted out. And she did, she made very poor. decisions because of it. She was turned on by the fact that she got attention from the first guy that we met on Craigslist. Right. So, I mean, she admitted that to me even after, you know, we talked about it. She was like, it was a huge turn on. What do you think was the reason for her to have an affair?

Were things, like, sort of lacking in your relationship at that time? Yeah. Listen, when we had, after the first, when he met that guy, our marriage got rocky. I was, I had a hard time dealing with her. Right. Like I just, I had a hard time dealing with it in general. Right. And I think because.

And I think because. And maybe you were like a. Yeah. I was super distrustful. And I was very like, there was, I was bitter. There was a lot of bitterness and anger, I think, towards her. Yeah. I really wish, you know, it's like weird.

I haven't aired this podcast yet. And I don't know how I tape a lot of podcasts and then I never know when I'm going to air them. But I taped a podcast just the other day with a guy who was cheating. He found out his wife was cheated. on him and he got really upset and then they were seeing like a therapist and then like they kind of stopped because it was like a Christian like religious therapist really wasn't working and he just decided to just go like start fucking escorts behind her back and like that's where he's at and he's still angry and I'm like you're so stuck in this situation and he stayed you know and he's

still like angry at her and they're still in the margin and this is like you know I wish he could like and I said like if you just like go through like the the pain of it and work through maybe you'll stay with her. Maybe he won't, but like you have to just go through all of that really horrible, you know, stuff that you have to and come out on the other side because you're not really moving anywhere. Like, you know, he's just stuck in this place where he's really not angry and doing stuff that's not really who he is, you know, and it's just like he really needs to listen to this podcast. I'm thinking I'm going to air yours before. I don't know, but when I air yours, I got to tell him. You need to listen to this guy and go through that because you said you had, I mean, you were realistic.

like that's life like yeah like a year and a half I mean after the first time you didn't trust her and then you pushed her into it like it happened that she went into a full blown affair and then you had a year and a half war like it took you time to rebuild that but you stayed with her and now you guys are better than ever and that's like a yeah and I wasn't

I was not looking for something someplace else during that time either in fact I was so messed up because you were dealing with the pain what happened with this guy is I think that it was just so bad for him and I get it everyone works with things differently that like he checked out like you know sometimes like your foot hurts really bad so you bang your knee right like he just created this other sort of thing

for himself because i don't think he could just he wanted to sit in that pain anymore you know he and and that's what sometimes people do you know and now he's like fucking other people and whatever that's a whole other story i don't want to get into because people have to listen to that episode but you know um he would really he he'll he would really benefit from listening to um You know what you went through and how you did it because you just you you you know I always say like the only way out of something is through it You went through your stuff like you didn't try to get out in a quick easy instant gratification way like you went through all that Pain and all the stuff like you know and and you came out on the other side and your marriage is is Better for it and that's like that's great I think it's a great story for people and then the other thing that you're doing now I think it's really interesting for people to your

too because like maybe people have these secret fantasies and they don't realize that they live it out it will be as great if not maybe better than they could ever expect I don't know it sounds like everything with you that you guys are doing and that Pandora's box has been is now a good thing in your marriage

if not great. Yeah I think it's turned into something that's been pretty fun. You know it's a I did do a lot of drinking if you go back to that time. I went through a lot of drinking to get you know that not that would help you get through it. But I did do some of that.

That probably didn't help my marriage, you know, and that was in that aspect. Yeah, but you didn't, like, you know, that's, listen, that's normal. Who could blame you for fucking drinking? You know what I mean? Like, when you were going through that. I mean, like, you said you were, like, shitting and puking and drinking. Like, I mean, you were a mess physically for a while, but, like, you got, you worked through it. And I think that what you have going now is, like, great.

You know, this, having a child this way. I thought, you know, this would be like totally, extremely abnormal. But actually, I did do a little bit of therapy, especially on my own. And the therapist had referenced, I don't know, some statistics, but this is actually higher than it. You think, I mean, for affairs, a lot of times, I think it was as high as maybe two or three percent result in a pregnancy by the woman having an affair. Oh, interesting.

And most times, I mean, I say two or three percent. Like that's not that high. But, you know, out of 100 affairs, there's three or four of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or the wife is pregnant. Yeah. And most times the dad never knows. Most times.

Now, more so at the last 10 years, you know, with paternity tests and things like that. but most times the husband is raising a child that's not ever theirs. Right, but has no idea. Yes, that's very, very high. Wow. 90% of the time, the husband is raising a child. The whole crap that you see on TV, like paternity tests. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Mori-povich.

That's exactly what I taught at when I was like, oh, man, I'm going to go on Mori-povich. Yeah, but no, you guys. I mean, you know, you know, I mean, you guys wanted to having the paternity test, right, just to make sure that you knew what the deal was right. We had to have some legal reasons also, you know, I just, we knew we were going to raise a child. He was okay with us raising a child and wanted to be involved in child's life. That was basically, you know, just, just covering our basis. And you love him like your own? Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. That's great. That's great. Yep. I love your story. it's got everything it's like reading a good book it could be like a movie

it's good I like it I mean it's I mean how old are you guys now We're both in our 40s Listen I think you guys have weathered some really tough storms you know in your marriage And you're still together And you went through that

I feel like You know Listen all marriages and all things You know You go through tough times but I think like if you could handle them and you could get through it. I mean, what can't you guys get through in the future? I think you have a pretty good, you know, chance that things are going to stay okay between you guys.

Yeah, I don't think things are going to change anytime soon. I think we both like doing some of the stuff we do. We do have actually another. There is one other couple that we've met, that we've done one thing with. And we eventually may do some more stuff, you know, like some. or stepping out of even the boundaries of this. Yeah, you'll be lining up at parties and stuff or maybe hosting them. You're going to be professionals.

I mean, seriously, you guys are hardcore. I mean, I like that. You know, you're not, you just, you do it. Like, you know, and full on. And I think that that's, why not? You know what I mean? And, yeah, I wonder 10 years from now what you guys are going to be doing. But I think it's great and it's great that it adds to your marriage.

It's super healthy that like you guys are like so honest about the stuff that you guys are. You're really lucky that you're with a woman who's comfortable enough to tell you about this stuff and, you know, and be honest with herself about it, you know, and then have the balls to go and really do it in real life, you know. So I think it's all really good. She will like tell me, she's like, if I ever worry about stuff, she'll be like, it's not a big. you all just ask you if I'm wanting to go have sex with this person. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, you're right.

I mean, imagine if people had that men and women in their relationships with somebody else. I mean, I think that's the problem with most marriages and why it goes south because eventually maybe after you're with somebody, I've never been with somebody for 20 years. I couldn't imagine. But, like, you know, maybe somebody wants a little variety, but they want to stay with their partner, you know, and it's sex is just about sex. It's not about all the other stuff. But people can't go do that.

then everyone's living like these double lives and then it's cheating and then it breaks up marriages. And if like if people could be sort of open about it like you guys are and do, you know, not say that everybody wants to do that, but for the people that do, you know. And if everyone is cool about it, I think people would stay together longer. Wouldn't that be great for the kids and stuff, you know? And so I think I always say I wish that like polygamy existed or just something where like we were raised to believe that this kind of stuff is more normal as opposed to

you know, the whole monogamy thing being normal? Because I think that is a little far-fetched. I think there's more normal. I just because some of the stuff, the people that we've now branched out and met, I'm surprised the amount of people that we've kind of, even the small amount of people that we've kind of met, that it's obviously a totally hidden thing.

Yeah. And but yet there, I think that there's more people than you'd think, especially probably under the age of 50 that are a little bit more. Yeah, oh my God, that's the podcast I taped today. Another one I taped today was a guy who's been doing it since he's 18 years old. And he even said people think people that do that are like old and busted, you know. And he was doing it at a very young age, throwing parties where only he allowed people that were really good looking. And those people were there.

And they were not, you know, they were the people that, you know, you didn't ever think would be doing it, but are, and are still, and that's just the way that it goes. That's what my show is all about. Look at you guys in your Christian life. I love it. Maybe your religion came into play with how you guys sort of dealt with things and stuff, you know, and stayed above board, which I think is great, you know, if that's the good part of it. You know, I'm not anti-religion.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I give you guys credit for how you handle it. I hate pettiness, and I hate when people hate for so long and turn things into such terrible nonsense when, like I said, you guys went through some really hard things. It would be very believable if you hated her, never once talked to her again. But yet, that's not the case. And I like that. You know, I think that that's great for people to hear. I think if I had hated her or being upset with her or our marriages, you know, like I just, if I didn't have any love for her and it had happened, it had been really,

easy to get divorced and just move on. But I still have a real strong feeling for her. The day before I found out of it about the affair, I loved her and I had strong feelings for it. So the day after, those didn't change just because I all of a sudden found it out of, about the affair. Right. I think that that's great.

You have to measure that stuff, I guess, with, you know, what you're dealing with. I don't know. Yeah. Everybody deals with it differently. But I love how you did. Basically, most people, most people don't survive. fair. Right. And listen, I think if you had to decide, I think people that decide to leave, like,

I could understand that too. I mean, everyone has their way, but I, you know, I think you took a messy situation and dealt with it in the cleanest way possible, you know, and it couldn't get any, you didn't make it messier. It totally could have been way worse, you know, if you guys acted terribly. But I think that you did it, and I think that that's great. And it's great for people to hear the story. So all you people that are getting divorced for nonsense and you're hating each other. you're dragging each other through the mud, like listen to this fucking guy. Listen to what his wife did to him and he did drag her through the mud.

So get over it. Yeah, yeah. Good deal. Yeah, so anyway, Simon, thank you so much for calling in. That was like one interesting story and had it all, like I said, you know. Well, I kind of felt like I was ready to tell it now. Like I said, I think I contacted you about a year ago, but I wasn't quite ready to Yeah, it's a great story.

I don't know why you wouldn't even want to share last year. I mean, we were doing all this stuff last year, right? Yeah, just, I don't know. You know, it's just so crazy. To me, I still sometimes, like, can't believe that. Because you're not the person that you would have thought would be doing this, right? I think that that's what's the interesting part of it, right? And that's why I did my show, because I think people think that people do that these kind of things are a certain way, but they're just regular people that fall into it, right?

It's not thought that I'm just going to go announce. I'm, I would. I don't, I would care so much if some people knew. I wouldn't want my children to be embarrassed about it or something like that. Right, of course. So that's the only reason why I would, I worry about like what they would think. Yeah, well, that's why you are. I'm sure you have a fake name and I'm going to change your voice.

Just slightly, but enough for people to not know who the fuck you are. Fantastic. Thank you. All right. Thanks, Simon. Thanks so much for calling in. This was a great, this is going to be a great episode. Good deal.

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