Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 192 - Lynda Gayle Opened a Masturbation Swing Club

Episode Date: August 21, 2017

Lynda Gayle and her husband opened Club Relate (ClubRelate.net), the very first and only heterosexual, masturbation swing club in the US. When did Gayle and her husband start swinging? Why did they open a swingers club of their own? What actually goes down at Club Relate that differs from other swing clubs? Tune in to find out plus get some masturbation tips and a whole lot more. ClubRelate.net **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Today I'm on a woman named Linda Gale. And she is a woman. She was recommended, I think, somebody told her to be at my show, who was on my show before, but I didn't get names or anything like that. But her and her husband started a swingers club that kind of specializes in masturbating. Like, there's something about that word. And she says on the podcast, like, people just can't get past the word masturbation. And it's true.

Like, I can't get past it. and I'm going to talk about it on this intro, and I'll probably use it in my title. Because it is like an odd thing that is not really typical in Swingers Club, but they do have like a whole masturbating angle in their swing club. And their club party, event, whatever you want to call it, has become very successful. It's been on HBO Real Sex. It's been in all kinds of magazines. And they've been doing it for a really long time.

It's called Club Relate. You could check it out at Clubrelate.com. And she calls in and we talk all about it. we talk about, you know, because I ask a lot of millions of questions. We talk about her history, how she met her husband, how they started swinging, why, where, when, and how they created their own event, their own swinger party. I'm like, you know, and what goes on there, what, like, really goes on inside that swingers event. And you also get some, like, masturbating, I was going to say techniques, but that's probably not the word word, advice, tips, because they do specialize

that. Linda, you know, knows what she's talking about. So anyway, I'm just going to get right back on, or I'll be right back on with Linda Gell. How are you doing today? I'm doing great. Glad to talk to you, Gabby. Yeah, I'm glad you're on. I love your name, Linda Gale, Linda Gale. Like, I'm going to, it's like I feel like I'm singing when I say your name together. It's like the two names together. I like it. But anyway, and that's kind of like your real name, right? I mean, you're not making up a name, right? Because you're kind of known for what you do, right? Yes. I mean, when you wrote into me, you sent me,

and we're going to, like, I mean, everyone could tell by the title that we're going to be talking about your, I guess it's like, I mean, because it's called club relate, right? But it basically is like a party, but like a masturbation party. Like they have swingers parties, right?

But this is like a specific masturbation party. It's a swingers party where masturbation is okay. Oh. and exhibitionism is okay also. But whenever people read it, they never get past the word masturbation.

They don't see masturbation swing club. No, I saw that, but I just didn't know because I was like looking through a lot of things. And when it said like it's a, you know, penetration is okay. And that's when I started to get a little confused because I'm just like if it's a swingers club, then of course that's going to be going on, right?

And then the masturbation is the thing that you, you guys are like sort of differ, right? In that that's okay. Right. At some clubs, it's seen as predatory behavior or aberrant behavior where it's like the only reason you're doing it is because nobody wants to be with you. Well, I'm sorry, that's not what masturbation is about because we all have our own way of doing it.

Just right. Right. Right. No, I mean, I have other questions because there's a part on your, I was just looking over your website again, and there was a part where like, there's a section where you have things that you sell, right? And you have a couple toys. And you have like these three toys, right, that you recommend as like the best toys to masturbate to, right? And there's one where it's just like, this is the one that's going to find your G spot.

Like it will definitely find you. I'm like, you've got to be fucking kidding me. Like, is that for real? Yes, it is. And all women can be. have female ejaculation and with this toy, it is like guaranteed to get you there. But there are other because listen, I have never, I'm always somebody that's always been obsessed with squirting or having a, you know, having multiple organs.

Like I can't do any of that like amazing stuff and I feel very like it's like not fair kind of right. And I've bought a lot of things online from Adam and Eve as like a G spot finder, but nothing could find my fucking G spot. I'm like maybe it doesn't exist because they do say, right, some people have it. some people don't, are you here to say that everybody has one? And if they do... Every.

All women have one. Okay. But the trick is getting it stimulated. Mm-hmm. So you can feel it. It's just like the male penis is very soft and, you know, it has to be stimulated before it starts feeling really great and for it to do what it needs to do. Well, the same is true about the...

G spot. Right. So you need the, and the reason why you're, that toy that you recommend work so well is I guess it's got the perfect angle because the other things are all angled in a certain way that it's supposed to get up there and in that weird place that your G spot is, right? But this one looks like it has like a little bit, maybe more of a curve. Is that why? I mean, because this isn't something that you sell that you created, right?

This is something that you just promote because you know it's good? I promoted that. No, Taylor Lamborn from San Diego. is the one who created it. But the thing about it is, is like whenever you're using your fingers to stimulate a G-spot, they can get tired. Right. But if you're using the honeyduffer or either the crystal wand, it doesn't get tired. And you can go very slow at the beginning.

And then whenever you go faster and with more pressure, it doesn't get tired. Right. Okay, but let me before, because I feel like I'm going to the end of our conversation before I get to the beginning, because you put an ad out, right? Looking for something and you thought you're going to like narrow it down and be really specific, right? Right. Because were you guys really into masturbation or you realized that you were swingers and it wasn't like sort of a thing that you were allowed to do at other swing clubs that you figured you'd start your own? Like, what was the deal? Well, I was written up at a swing club for masturbating. and the guy said that it was aberrant behavior and that I was not to do it anymore.

That's really weird. You would think anything goes. I don't understand. Is it because they want you're like one of the only females there and they want you to like sort of join in and not be by yourself? I mean, what is? Well, I think back then it was like it was a swingers club for couples only. And if I was playing with myself, then that meant there was a guy not being played with. Right, right.

That's what I mean. Right. I think it was like an equalizer. Mm-hmm. So Tom and I decided to start a club where masturbation was openly stated that it was okay. Mm-hmm. That you didn't have to feel ashamed for it. Right.

Because you and your husband, like were guys not allowed to jerk off either at these other swing clubs? You know, I don't know. Right. Okay. My husband was written up also. Oh, they had written up. Yes. He couldn't have a set.

sex with 20 women in one evening. He could only have sex with four women. Wait, wait, he had sex with 20 and they wrote them up because they were like, oh my God, you're not allowed to fuck 20 women. You could only do four? Yes. Yes. I still have the letter.

Oh, my God. That's hilarious. I would love to see that letter. Do you have it anywhere on your website? No, I wouldn't want to embarrass the person who broke. Oh, no. I mean, you would never put their name. I mean, come on.

sure that person doesn't exist and they wrote a fake name. I mean, come on. Like, it was the manager of the swing club wrote you and said, like, you can't fuck 20 women. You can only fuck four? Yes. That is so weird. Like, was that a guy? Like, maybe he was jealous?

I mean, why would they have such rules? You know, the thing that we learned from this is whenever you start your own club, you can make your own fucking rules. Exactly. Right. So you and your husband's... We didn't fight it. Were you guys swingers from like day one? I mean, like, at what point in your marriage did you guys, A, start swinging and then B,

start, like, decide that you guys were going to sort of do it yourself and create your own club? How about on our first date? On your first date, you decided you. On our first date, we went to a swing club. You're kidding. How did you meet your husband? Wait, how did you meet him and know? And who was the one that said, let's go to the swing club?

He told you? Well, I have to tell you. I interviewed him for a job. Mm-hmm. And then we became friends. Okay. And he knew a lot of guys, you know, and he was going to help introduce me to, you know, someone. And he said, well, what kind of man are you looking for?

Mm-hmm. And I said, do you want him to be honest about it? And he said, well, yeah, because I'd just been divorced from my first husband of 18 years. Mm-hmm. And I said, I want a man to be honest about it. who wants to have sex at least once a day, that his ego was not affected if I wanted to masturbate and I like doing kinky things.

Okay, that's what you said to him. And he never introduced me to any of his friends. He's like, this is a keeper. I mean, because how many years ago is this? I mean, you guys been married 30 years, so this is like 30 years ago. And like I always talk about this on my show that like nowadays, and I'm sure you see this,

like the women, women are so much, there's so much more different. And sex and everything is so much more different than it was 30 years ago. So you were really ahead of your time that you were that open sexually, right? And free with yourself, right? Yeah, progressive is the word. I think a lot of it had to do with being married to the children's father. That's what I called him. He had his Ph.D. in marriage and family counseling.

So I read all of his books. I hope to write his papers. I got to hear the speakers that came in and spoke to them. And there was a lot of things about sex that was covered. But what I found was a little bit of a snob. I thought I knew a lot about sex. What sex is really about is your body. And it's not in your head.

Okay. You get in touch with your body. That's kind of interesting. I think sometimes you think, and I even thought this, that like, especially for women, right? It's just like you use your mind to turn your body on, right? But you're saying it's not really that way, or are you saying it's both? No, well, sex is primal. And unfortunately, guilt is a way of tamping down your sexual desires.

And so if you can kick guilt to the things, curb and what your body feel, you will feel the excitement or the desire. And to me, one of the things that I say, being in the lifestyle, you have to be brutally honest with yourself and your partner. Right. Yeah, I've had a lot of people on my show, all kinds of different swingers, people who have done it well and people who have failed miserably. and a lot of times, I mean, the whole thing with the trust comes up and you, you see the

difference between the people that are being completely honest and how it works in their relationship and the ones that, you know, set up rules and say they're going to be honest and things don't really work out that way and there's problems. Well, and even with that, it's not that we never had any problems, but what we found is once you kept talking about whatever it was, you could find a solution. Like at the beginning, I had jealousy issues. Tom said, I don't want you to be jealous. And he said, the next time you feel that feeling, he said, just come and get me and let me hold you until it goes away.

He said, I don't care what I'm doing. I don't care who I'm with. Let me hold you. Right. Yeah, that's a good, that's like a rare fine too. I mean, as much as you were a rare find, what you said to him on that first date, you know, he was a rare fine that he like took your insecurity and decided instead to, because listen, I think a lot of people, you know, in relationships with men and women especially, like, you know, sometimes they, they would take some insecurity or like, like, you're honest about that insecurity and they would use it against you in a weird way. Do you know what I'm saying? Like there's a lot of like weird shit like, like, some, like, some, like, Yeah, like saying don't be jealous. Well, that's not the way feelings operate. Right. And sometimes people, I think, in a weird way, without even knowing it, they almost want that jealousy there.

It's like a weird kind of a thing that I feel like a lot of times, because I really believe that if people just give trust and if someone like you said is jealous and they react the way your husband did as opposed to just saying, don't be jealous or whatever. You know, it would really solve a lot of. of things and they would get really far and people would be having a lot more fun because I think that trust and jealousy and all that stuff is what gets in the way of people and women especially being more open sexually with their partners right but I do think sometimes men sort of hold that in a weird way with maybe not even knowing it as a way of like controlling the situation do you know what I'm saying like yeah yes because they give the woman all that power maybe then they're going to be jell. Like there's so much more stuff that gets into it that I don't want to get into it because

your story is so fascinating that I'd rather just stick and talk to about people like you guys that do it right. You know what I mean? As opposed to all the fucked up people that have like all this other stuff going on. Do you know what I mean? Yes. Well, the thing that I had to be honest with myself in regards to was the jealousy thing was my feeling. Right. And I was in control of it. Mm-hmm. And if he didn't want me to be jealous anymore, and I didn't want me to be jealous anymore, why did I do that to myself? Right.

So I kicked it to the curb. But you also, listen, if he reacted in a way, he made you feel safe. He did, though. It wasn't just your choice to make it go away. You couldn't have kicked that to the curb if he was like, you're jealous, why you're jealous, who cares? And then he went off and, like, it's kept fucking the girl. You know what I mean?

and wasn't there for you. I mean, he really helped it through. I think it does take, because really what the jealousy is about and it's trust between two people. So I think it takes two people to sort of take part in that and help that sort of happen and become a good thing like it did for you guys. Not just like you can't, one person just can't do it

without the other person. That's what I believe. I have to tell you something funny. We would have different problems at the beginning. And we would talk about them the next day on Sunday. And what we realized that there were so much

talking that interfered with our fun and we decided that we would talk about whatever the problems were on Wednesday and if it was still important on Wednesday we would talk about it.

Oh my God, you laugh but I think that that's like such a smart thing if you really think about it, right? And then how many times did like stuff just fall away that you were like wow shit that was like important

Sunday was like most of the time not important on Wednesday? Well, the thing that we came to the realization was every problem. Yeah. There is a solution. And so let's come up with a solution so that doesn't happen again. Right, right. And so we became very creative about solutions to whatever happened. That was an issue.

But that has been such a long time ago. No, but really, that's the part, that's the same part of you guys that wound up starting club relate, right? You guys had a problem. You were getting written up because you guys liked to jerk off at these wig clubs. Your husband was to just, you know, really, I don't know what would the word be that? Like, were other people fucking 20 people at one time or like normally like it doesn't happen? Okay. It was like women would stand at the shower with a Coke in their hand waiting for him to get out.

How come was your husband really hot, really well hung? Like, what was the deal back then? All of the above? He was really hung, handsome, charming, great fuck. Oh my God. So wait. So when you guys were friends, like before when he was going to, like, you weren't like into him or were you secretly into him or you didn't even see him that way because

you guys were just friends? Before he became your husband. We were, huh? Before he became your husband. Oh, we were just friends and we would talk honestly about everything. And then one day, because I hadn't been kissed in a long time because I'd gone through a divorce. Yeah, it took like a year and a half. And so one day I asked him if I could have a kiss and he said, a kiss, is that all you want?

And I said, yes. And whenever he kissed me, my knees went out from underneath. to me. Right. So you had great chemistry. And then how did you get to the, like, who decided that you're going to a swingers club, like, on the first date? Well, he asked me if I wanted to go, and I really didn't know what it was, but basically I had told him, I can do anything you can do. And so I was going to prove whatever it was. Yeah, I get it. Right. You're competitive. It doesn't matter what it is, even if it's like, oh, you're going to fuck more people than me. I'll fuck more people than you.

We played a lot of racquetball whenever we were first together in our relationship. Amongst other things. So he takes you to the swing club. Now, were you like, oh, my God, like, what the fuck is going on? Or were you into it? Well, I really didn't know anything about it. I had read books about it, but I really didn't know what it was really, really about. And we had to go early in the afternoon.

And basically the guy took me upstairs. It was a two-story home. And he left Tom downstairs to look at some pictures and magazines and stuff like that. And he got me upstairs and he started kissing me and started to take my clothes off. And I said, whoa. Yeah, I'm on a date with somebody else. I said, I thought we were supposed to do this all together. Oh, we will tonight.

I just want to make sure that you're okay with this. I said, well, I'm not okay with this because that's not what I was told was going to happen. And so I went downstairs and I got Tom and I said, I don't think this is the place we're looking for. And we walked out. Okay. Now, but the thing I learned from that experience was the next club we went to, I made the phone call. I asked the question. Right, okay.

And so, so just like that was a problem, we resolved it by finding a solution. Right, and so the next time you went out now, so because you had never screwed your guy yet or had you? I mean, I'm a little confused. So the first time you're going to do him is at a party with other people? Well, no, I had had sex with him. Okay.

or our first date date meaning we went out for dinner out to another town for the weekend right okay cool so then you guys get married and then you know you guys are

swinging right because you did it from day one and you're getting written up and you decide to start this thing now how come the masturbation because you were into it and you had gotten written up is that why you decided to be specific in the ad or you just wanted to be like let's just like not big that won't be a rule and let's put that in there because maybe there's other people

like us out there well really we started uh another swingers club for couples first and what we found is just because we had swingers that came to our club they still weren't okay with masturbation so we decided to start a swingers club with masturbation right and um and to allow singles to attend because we felt like how are guys and women ever going to meet each other if they're both not allowed to attend? No, I think that that's great because I've had a lot of men on my show, as well as women that I think would probably be, you know, would benefit from sort of meeting a man at a place like that because they would be more the type that they would be right for them. You know what I mean? And I know that you said in your email that you had, you know, through your club and bringing singles in. Like you have, there's been like 30 people. There's 30 couples that have come out, you know, that have met through club relate, right? Right. Yeah, that's great. And they're still together. Yeah, because I think that there's a lot of people out there that are in this lifestyle, right? And if they're on Craigslist and they're looking for people, you know, it's like it's one thing. And that's like really hard because you don't know if those same people are looking there, you know. But if they have a place to go where,

everybody is like-minded, right? Just like anything else. Right. Like they say, if you want to meet someone you like to play tennis, go play tennis. Like, there's all that corny shit. But like, really, in this situation, if you're really into the lifestyle, right?

What a great place to meet somebody. Because you're going to know that they're into the same shit that you're into. Well, and one of the things that you'll find in the lifestyle, the people are very honest. They're professionals. They're educated.

very discreet and so mannerly. Right. It's just and people are so charming and what a great place to meet other really, really, really nice people.

Right. I mean, there are members in our club that have been members. Well, there's one member that's been a member since before we even started a club. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So, but a lot of them have been members for 10 or 15 years and they fly in from all over the world. Really? Because for your club, so the word has gotten out that because it is because you allow singles, because you allow masturbation or that's the thing. So people that are into that as well, as well as just regular swingers, right? Or singles could come. Is that why your club, like your party is so popular? Well, I think also the press that we've had being on Playboys, et cetera, HBO Real Sex, being written up in Penthouse and Playboy Advisor and Jane Magazine and even Red Book. Right. Oh, really? Who's the PR person? Is that just you out there, you know, getting something? Or did you have a publicist? How did you score all that? I mean, I used to work in the business. I know. Really?

They just call us. I guess they mess, you know, Google masturbation. I don't know, but they would call us. We've done pieces for the Discovery Channel and the History Channel. But I guess it was a little too risque. They never aired it? No. Oh, that's so funny.

And I mean, just for my listeners, because I feel like people are just going to be like super curious already, just listening to what you're saying. And there is a place on your website that says, like, you could get a video, like people could buy videos, right? And see what your party is all about, right? And when you say that, yeah, it's an informational video, yeah.

Oh, it's not like a, it's not like, because I was wondering, like, what's in that video? Because, like, I would assume people don't want their faces in the video, right? So it's not like an actual video of like an actual party. It's just like you and maybe your husband talking about what goes down at a party. Like what is in the video? There are people who agreed to be filmed. And, yes, they signed a disclaimer saying it was okay.

So you do show the venue, like, what goes down, like people inside the party as well, not just information, not just people talking about it. That's true. But, you know, whenever people write me about buying it, I say, why buy it? Why don't you just come and see it? Right. Right. And you do have like an orientation, right? What is it all about?

Well, the orientation gives the other new people an opportunity to meet one another ahead of time for them to see where the party's going to be held so they feel safe and secure. And to ask any questions that they have ahead of time. And then we discuss what the rules and regulations are. for the party that night and how to have the most fun. And now, is there different rules and regulations for different parties or is there always the same rules, like, do you have different kinds of parties or is it always the same party, same rules and regulations?

Well, at Club Relate, it's the same rules and regulations. We only have two rules. Right. What are those? Do you want them? Yeah, of course. There's only two. We might as well.

All right. No drugs in you, on you, or around you. Mm-hmm. And the rule number two is. is the rule of no thank you, but thank you for asking. All clubs have the no thank you rule. We added the, but thank you for asking because you acknowledge the compliment and the other person gave you for asking.

Right, instead of just like no thank you. No. That's nice, right. Yes. And so now walk me through, like, so the orientation, is that something that most places do? I had a friend who worked in a swingers club here in New York. and like, I mean, he was like the towel guy. Like, he would like, you know,

and he just did him for random things. I don't know. I used to get the most fascinating information from him about that club. But, I mean, I never heard anything about, like, because I would ask him so many questions because I found it fascinating, you know. But, like, I never heard anything about orientation and, like, all this stuff. I mean, like, is this something that typically takes place at, like, other parties, or is this just the way you guys run your?

I think it's mainly the way we've run it. Uh-huh. And because I just can't imagine walking in, not knowing anyone, not knowing what the rules are, and it's hard. Well, isn't that what you did in the beginning? And that's why you sort of got on the phone and said, let me take charge of this and that because you're the type of person. And I think women in general are more like that. Like they do want to feel like, you know, they know ahead of time and they have a lot of questions. And so I think what you're doing with the orientation is actually really smart.

You know, I just have never heard of it going down to anywhere else. But I think that maybe that's why you guys stand out so much, you know. Well, the other thing is there's no alcohol in our group. So a lot of clubs have smoking, drinking, dancing, shooting, pool, playing darts, sitting in jacuzzi. You know, and that's how they mingle. Well, I didn't feel like, well, the thing that you will know about every single member is they've all been through the orientation. They all know the rules. So no one has bad behavior.

Well, you have two rules. So it's basically like anything goes, right? Yes. As far as sex is concerned, right? Yes. All sexual expressions that are legal are okay with us. Right, exactly. Anyone could have sex with anyone, any ages avail, right? Like, I mean, because I had a guy on recently who was like only, like he sort of Swingers Club for like, you know, people had to be like tens. You know, that was his thing. And young, like, you know, I mean, that was like sort of what he got into, right? I mean, you guys are sort of open. Ours have to be 21, but I believe me, if anybody's 21, I'm going to want to meet them first because 21 year olds know everything. 22, 25, any 20 or 20s, I just say, that's the age.

You know, that's the 10 years you know everything. There are some people in their 30s, but they're mainly 40 and above. Mm-hmm. And like you said, they're professionals. So they want everything to be very discreet and like only be known by first names. Yeah, of course. Now, one of the things that we do different also is after the orientation is over, we leave to go have dinner. And then you have to choose to come back.

So the orientation is on the same day. It's a couple of hours before, right? So you go in. It's four to five. Okay, for an hour. And everyone's talking. No one's naked. Like, there's no, like, a plane going on or anything like that, right?

This is just so strictly someplace. where people get very comfortable. And if they want to come back later, like everyone breaks for dinner, right? And then it's like if you want to come back, you can. Yeah, you come back at like 715 and 730 prom. way. We start what is called the hospitality time.

And that's where everyone introduces themselves by their first name and they say where they're from. And then they say what they want to see or do. And then that gives you an idea. of who you might want to play with that evening. Mm-hmm. Or if somebody just wants to watch, then you don't go up and ask them and put them in an uncomfortable place.

Right. You might say, go ahead. Let me ask you this. How many people about, like, how many people do you typically have, like, in the room at that time? Um, there's generally 35 to 40. We try to not have more than 40, but, um, Like on special occasions, we've been known to have 60. Oh, wow.

So they can get that big. Now, so when everyone goes around and does everybody have to talk? Like, I mean, some people I feel like are shy, right? And they might not want to say, like, this is what I want. Or like, are they allowed to just pass? Or does everyone have to actually sort of stand up and say who they are and what they're looking for? Well, if I always say, if you don't say it, I'm going to say it for you. And there have been women who could not even stand up and say their names the first time they attended.

Right. And, you know, we tease them a little and laugh. And then I say something like, I want to watch everything tonight. Please ask me before you touch me. You know, I'm just a light thing like that. Right. And now those same women can say what they want. Right.

So you help them along the way, right? Yeah. Yeah. So everyone, so once that goes down, now is this like, I mean, what is the room like, like is it, what's the venue like? Is it someone's house? Is it, do you rent out like a hotel? Like, where is this house?

Oh, no, it's a huge hotel. Mm-hmm. And it has a jacuzzi in it, two bedrooms, massage tables. We put up massage tables. Mm-hmm. And we provide everything. like we use almond oil for the massages or for lubrication because we say never put anything on your that you wouldn't put in your own mouth.

Right. Okay. So everything is like really natural and good for you. Right. And now if they can't drink, right, no alcohol, right? So do you have like just like beverages and is there food? Like what is going around? Oh yeah.

Oh, yes. We have food, cakes, cookies, you know, yummy things, sandwiches or shrimp cocktail, you know, something different every time. Right. Cola's, um, ice. Everything you need, it's there. All you have to do is bring a great attitude. Right.

And now do you, I mean, you must get people that drink at dinner time before they get there because, I mean. But that's okay. That's okay. Because that's not breaking. that's not breaking the Florida laws. Right. No, I know because here in New York, like at that swing club that my friend worked at, it was bring your own because they couldn't serve it, right?

But in Florida, there are Florida bottling laws, and you're not supposed to have sex around alcohol. Oh, okay, so they can at all. So that's the reason why you don't have it because it would be illegal. So people are allowed to get a little bust. If it's already in your body, I, I can't do anything about that because you did it legally. Yeah, because I would think a lot of people, especially the first timers,

might want to be a little buzzed right before they get there, loosen up a little bit, right? I don't know. I don't drink myself, but like I, that's what I would, that's what I would think. We don't either. Right. But we started off as a non-smoking swingers club when we first started. And Tom said, you know, people are not going to come if they can't smoke.

And I said, I don't care. I don't want to be around it. Yeah. And people came to our club because it was a non-smoking club. Yeah, I would think that would be a good thing. I mean, but has that changed or is that still the same way? It's still no smoking. Oh, no, it's still the same.

No, I think that that's good. I don't, I mean, who smokes now? It's so gross. There are people who have stopped smoking because they didn't want to miss anything. Or you just get a lot of people outside of that hotel smoking cigarettes. Like, I mean, like, what do they do? Go out for breaks and come back in. How long does the party last from it starts at like 7.30?

Everyone introduces themselves. And, like, how long does that party go for? Well, it usually takes like 30 minutes to get everyone introduced. And because they know how to do it. It's like, okay, come on, come on. Right. And then probably about eight, a little after eight. I say it's time to start the party and everyone dresses down.

Meaning they get out of their street clothes and if they want to wear something sexy or a robe that's perfectly okay. You don't need to be nude. Right. And you have robes for people? Well, the hotel does. Yeah, okay. They have robes in the closet. And anyway, so after that, the party starts right away.

and generally it's over 11 or 1130. Now, that doesn't seem very long, but because there's so much going on and it's so intense that people are exhausted. I mean, it is like, I mean, when you say it's a huge hotel, it's just two rooms, or like it's like a huge hotel and you just have two rooms

or like are the rooms that you have like really large? or is it like everyone's sort of condensed? No, no, no. It's very large. Okay, so it's a large area. People could go. A living room, dining room with two bedrooms off the side, two huge balconies that you could easily put 20 people out on the balcony.

Oh, wow. So people could just have sex all over the place. Yeah, but not have on the balcony. Right. Right. You don't want any accidents. And so, and do you and your husband still partake in it? Like, I mean, I'm assuming you guys.

guys have fun at these parties as well? Oh, absolutely. To me, you know, I can never understand people who operated a club and didn't have sex. Right. To me, that would be, that would be sadistic, you know. Right. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I think some people maybe do it for the money. I don't know. They're not even there. I mean, but you guys are physically there, right? Working the event. It's not like you're running this event and you have people working for you because I don't think the place where my friend work, like it was the woman who owned it. it was there. Like, I mean, it wasn't that kind of a scene.

You know what I mean? I think she was like a madam as well. I mean, like she was a business woman. There was a difference. I mean, you guys were basically, right? Like you were like swingers who were problem solvers. But you guys were very hardcore problem solvers, right? That was like a big part of your personalities.

And so. I can tell you that the club is very structured and very organized. There are reasons behind every single thing that we do. I mean, you have no idea why we do the things we do. But there is a reason for it all, and because everything is consistent, everybody feels safe because they know what to expect, they know when it's going to happen. And when they're not there on a Saturday night, then they're looking at their clock saying, well, I know what they're doing now. Right, because they've been there before.

Right. And they know at every, you know, time we have a party, this is the time it's going to start. Right. I mean, I could tell just by talking you the way you talk and like, you know, I mean, that's all, like besides you guys being swingers, you're also problem solvers and you're also, you are very professional too in everything that you do. And, you know, specific, right? And very detailed. And thought out, right? And you could tell when you go to your website that are all these. information is there, you know, and so I think that that projects onto your parties, right? And that's... Absolutely. And I think that is probably why people found you. I mean, I used to go...

I used to work at entertainment, and I would book people for everyone from celebrities to non-celebrities. And so I had to go out and find people too like that. And so I, if I wanted to do something on some, you know, and I think you tend to find, I mean, people probably found you because you probably are very good not only at throwing the parties and thinking of these things, but also average. advertising and putting yourself out there and setting up your website and all that kind of stuff. You know what I mean? Right.

And that's how you set yourself apart. Well, like the HBO piece has run all over. HBO Real Sex. There have been two people from Russia. The last party in Orlando, we had our first person from China. Oh, wow. Right, because they're seeing it all over the world. We've had people from Rome recently.

came to our Tampa party. And they had been, it had been a dream of theirs for 10 years. Wow. And finally they came to Florida and were, they had a ball. She used to be an X model. And she said,

oh my God, we've been talking about this for years. It was her and her husband or boyfriend? Yes, uh-huh, she and her husband. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's... I mean, we've had CNN announcers. We've had Academy Award winners. We've had...

I mean, just... Yeah, I used to love to ask my friend. I mean, he would tell me on the down, though, and I wouldn't go talk about it. I mean, I don't even talk about celebrities on my podcast. I don't really give a shit, but I is, like, I mean, I wouldn't want names, you know what I mean? But he would always tell me, like, you know, like, for sure,

these are people, like, there were celebrities for sure that came into his. place and he would tell me who they were. I wouldn't go blabbing it around to people, but I just thought it was interesting because it's all kinds of people and then some and people that you know, maybe that you would never think, you know. So just without telling me names, like you said, you've had people from, what did you say? You had people from CNN? Right. One, one announcer from CNN. And he admitted it before he came and he said, listen, I'm not bringing any recording. I just want to have fun. Right. And so whenever people do that, we help them like stay low key. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so when you've had the Academy Award people, like, did they sort of talk to you

at a time and say like, listen, like this is the deal? Like, or was there any kind of provisions for them? What happened? How did that go down? Well, it's just that they wanted no attention to be brought to them. And I said, listen, no attention is going to be brought to you unless you bring it yourself. Right. You know, you use whatever first name you want and say whatever town you want to say you're from. So we coach them on how to keep, how to be discreet. Right. And they have, I mean, I'm assuming you've had more than one. How long has this party been going on, by the way? 30 years.

So, but these people that have come in, the celebrity kind of people, are they there more to, do they take, do they, are they there more to like sort of jerk off and watch or they take part and all kinds of things or everyone's, I guess assuming everyone's different. Everyone takes part. Now, I can tell you there was a physician that came from Texas at the last party and he said, I have traveled around the world and he said, this is the most fun I've ever had. And it's because, well, one of the other things that's kind of unusual about our club is we do a lot of education. Like doing erotic massages, they are not therapeutic. You know, and basically, I show persons how to do slow, sensual touches.

You know, and guys, some guys think that they're really great, massages. And I say, no, no, no, this is not therapy. This is just for touching and resting and, you know. And when do you do this sort of educational stuff? Does this go down to the orientation or does this go down when you're there? If people want to talk to you, you walk around. Like, what do you?

Well, it's during the party. Yeah. See someone like rubbing really, really hard. And I, well, and I always tell guys, if you. want to learn how to give a sensual massage, then receive it first. So you'll know what it feels like. Right. And so maybe you'll give them one or somebody will.

Or something that will happen, right? Right. And now when you say on your website that it's the first heterosexual masturbation swingers party, is that because like there's other gay ones out there? Because it's not like people can't, like I'm sure people are allowed to be by at your place, right? It's just that Well, we don't call it by We call it trisexual, T-R-Y

I'll try that and I'll try this Right Try T-R-Y Well, it's like Betty Dodson There in New York You know, she has She teaches women how to masturbate But she just handles

You know, she just teaches women Right And ours is both male and female Mm-hmm And when you say you teach them this is also like at the party they could come this is a place where people could come they could feel safe and they could get involved in the lifestyle but also while they're getting involved and sort of walking through like you will teach them things as well i mean because i don't think that that goes down

at other places at all it's just like people are just like screwing each other right like don't you think you're very different than the other parties yes yes we are our members tell us and the other i think because we keep our parties wrong relatively small compared to huge, you know, the larger commercial clubs. Mm-hmm. Is people get to know each other. They get to know each other's names. Mm-hmm.

They do things outside the club, you know. And I always say there's benefits to membership. Like, if you're traveling and you want to visit another club, if you let me know, I had a time I'd be glad to write to the other club owner and say that you're a member in good standing, you know at our club and and so you know all the other people out there it's like it's sort of like a small world

is it like any other business like you you know what I mean like you know all the people like if I told you the name of the one that my friend worked out I don't even remember what the name is but maybe you would know them what was it? Would you? No it wasn't trapeze. It was a smaller one

and this was I'm talking like 15, 20 years ago So I don't really I wouldn't remember the name But it wasn't Trepies Because that's the biggest one in New York You know Right

Right I went to that one How was it? It was delightful I got to meet Vanessa del Rio there Who's that Am I dumb to not know I'm really bad with names

That's okay She's in the industry Making films And stuff like She's very beautiful. And we got to talking and her bodyguard or whatever. She said, make sure I'm not disturbed for about 30 minutes. Well, she was with you.

Yeah, we just sat there and talked and had a great time. Right, right. That's great. And did she know who you were? No. No. Okay, so you guys just talked. This was a while ago?

Yes. Because it was many years ago. Right. And so have you traveled, you and your husband, I'm assuming I've traveled all over the world and whenever you go out of town, you go to, or when you travel, you check out these other swingers parties, other places. Well, we especially did that before we started our own club.

And we traveled from Florida to California and back again. And it took us about a month and a half. And we wrote down all of the things that we liked and all the things that we didn't like about other clubs. And then had a little discussion about how to start our own. And how did you get into, like, how did you become so smart when it comes to masturbating and like with your body?

Is it just strictly because it's something that you always enjoy doing? And now after all of this experience, you know, like the perfect toys and how you could, and you've become this person who could actually teach other people, right? Is that just strictly because you've been doing it for so long? Well, that's one reason. But I can tell you in my 30s. I used to feel really guilty about masturbating. Right.

And I would almost say a little prayer and say I wouldn't do it again. Oh my God, did you feel that bad? Okay. Yes. And then the next night I would masturbate and finally I prayed to God. And I said, don't let it feel good and I'll quit. I'm assuming he never listened to you. It was fun.

But, you know, there's a lot of guilt because women are somehow secretly taught not to touch themselves. And this is something that we teach or talk about, especially in the orientation, we talk about our sexual histories. and you have your educational history, your business history, your employment history, but no one ever talks about their sexuality in regards to the history of it. And so what I say is your history teaches you to be brave. Because when you first learn about sex, you're not supposed to know about it. Right. But you do all sorts of things to find out more about it.

Mm-hmm. And so I think our sexuality is our way of learning to be brave about our bodies and ourselves and our desires. Right. So would you say people that like, because I've had some, even men, it's been very weird to me when I talked to a guy on my call and like they're like they didn't literally. jerk off until they were like 21 or 18. And I find that to be so bizarre, right? Because I'm just like, I feel like it happens when you're way younger. It did for me. It does. Right? Does it? It, well, for me, it was five. Right. Yeah. I don't even know how old I was, but it was like too little to even know what was going on, right? But it just like sort of happened. And then you're like, wow, that's great.

Yeah. Playing doctor, playing, you know, I'll show you mine. If you'll show me yours. But a lot of people, don't remember it until the later age because something bad happened. So they block it. They block it out. Yeah, I always feel like it must be some sort of dysfunction or something's going on that some, a guy, right? I have a friend like this and I've had multiple people on my show that have like,

because I'll ask a million questions when I'm talking to my listeners, my callers. And like I get a bunch of guys that'll be like, oh yeah, the first time I jerked up. I was like 17, 18, 12. And I'm like, that's so bizarre to me. Like, that's like a thing. You know what I mean?

There's something there. Like, that's a little off, don't you think? No, no, because a lot of guys, whenever they think of masturbation, they don't considerate masturbation until they've been able to ejaculate. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah. Yes. But why can they jerk? Why can't they ejaculate at 16 or 15?

Well, they probably could. But a lot of people like men. Mm-hmm. are also ashamed because it's kind of like, well, you can't get a girl, so that's why you do it. Oh, you think that's the underlying sort of shame in it? Yes. And a lot of there are guys who masturbate with their best friends, and they don't want to admit that they did that. Oh, yeah, I've heard stories like that too.

Yeah. But see, it's not, it's not that they were homosexual. Right. It's they only did it with them because it was somebody they could trust. And whenever I put it in those terms, oh, then it was okay for me to do that with them. And I said, yeah. Right. Because if you didn't do it with someone that you could trust, then that's whenever you get into problems or someone

uses power over you. Right. And so, and that also helps your people through there. because if a guy feels more comfortable, like maybe a guy's a little leaptight and thinks like, oh, if I start doing this at this party, like I'm going to be gay, right? And they're not, right?

And you make them feel safe enough to sort of be that way. Now, you and your husband, are you both totally heterosexual? Are you trisexual, each one of you? Like, I mean, at your parties, like you said anything goes, right? So guys can be. Thomas straight.

I'm trisexual. Right. But guys are allowed to be tricexual at your parties, right? or not, is it typical or not really? Well, one of the things at our club is I've taught the women to say, I want to see two men together. Right. You know, because men are always saying,

I want to see two women together. Yeah, totally. Well, we put the shoe on the other foot and said, we'll show me. Uh-huh. So, and that makes them more comfortable knowing that we want to see it. Right. Now were you by before you or you don't want to say bye but like had you been with women before or did this start when you got with your husband? Well it really started whenever I got with him and he said he wanted to see me with two women.

I said fine after I see you with another man. Is that what you said? And then did he do it? No. He said well you arrange it. And I mean I'm sorry but we all know you can arrange that because. you're an arranger. Did you arrange it? Yes, I did.

Yes, I did. He gripped his teeth and he did it. So what did he do? Oh my God, he's just as competitive as you are. You guys are funny. He jacked the other guy off and the other guy jagged him off and

and then that was the and then you're like, okay, now I'll give you what you want. And he has his quota. He got his quote. Oh my God. You guys are, you guys are kind of funny. the way you are together. I mean, just like you said that you like went to the Swingers Club

just to sort of prove him like I could do it too. That's what he did with you and jerked another guy up. And then you gave him, then you were with other women and that was like your first time. Yes, and I was so shocked at what I learned from the experience. I was like in a way dreading it. But whenever the first time I touched another woman and went, oh my God, this is what Tom feels when he touches me. Right, so it made you sort of see it differently.

Yeah, I'm this soft and pliable and sexy and the energy just flowed and it was exquisite. It's not like being with a man because men like being the leaders. Right. In regards to having sex until they run across me. But it was so, it brought a new awareness in making love with Tom the way he felt whenever he touched me. Right. And we still touch each other. Like if I walk past him, he reaches his hand out and we touch each other just walking past one another during the day.

Right. So you guys still have like, I'm assuming a great sex life after all these years because you keep it fresh with all this other stuff. Like I mean, I just think a lot of people that have been married for 30 years or together for 36, you know. I mean, I get them on my, on my, you know, podcasts. I mean, they're cheating. They're living double lives. You know, they're doing all kinds of things because they're sex life without this window. No, I know. You don't have to do that if you can be honest about what your desires are. and work it out. Right. And besides, you know, it's like after you've been to a party, you just, you have dreams about sex. I mean, it's just. No, right.

And I'm assuming that that only adds, I mean, to your sex life, between you and your husband, right? You guys being with other people. I mean, and how long, how many years do you think, or was it years, was it months? Like, how long did it take before, like, that jealousy thing with you? was totally gone because like I think that that would be interesting to somebody else to hear that maybe is thinking about it, right?

Whether it's a woman or a man, you know, that they worry that they would be jealous and that they wouldn't be able to get past that. Like, how long did it take for you? I think it took really probably about a year because we were so new in our relationship also. There were some, you know, being new in a relationship, there are so many things to work out. Yeah, even without having sex with other people, you would say. still have to learn trust within a relationship. You don't know what I mean? You don't know somebody. I mean, even though you guys were friends before, when you really let your guard out and you're being vulnerable and falling in love

with somebody, it's a whole different ballgame, you know, so. One of the other things that happened is, it's like, and I said one time, well, my other husband, and he said, don't paint me with that brush. I would never treat you that way. Mm-hmm. And so his honesty and his foresight, you know, into issues were just, it was exquisite, the way he could just kind of like cut through the bullshit and say it like it was. Right. And then I was like, I was stunned whenever you said that. And it was like, you're right.

I'm not there. I'm here with you and it's totally different. Right. And now your husband, was he married before as well? Or were you his first? Yes, he was. He was too. Now, was he this open with his first marriage?

Like, were they swingers as well? Or was this something new for both of you at the same time? Well, he was married twice before. His second wife, they did have a swinging experience. She said she didn't like it. But I think maybe she did. Right. But wouldn't admit it.

Right. And there again, you know, I think the honesty in our relationship started off from the first time he asked me, what kind of man are you looking for? Right. I was honest with him. Because how can you find a solution if you're not honest? Right, because what did you say again? Like you want somebody, what was that sex?

Because it was pretty honest of you to sort of admit. Right. I wanted sex at least once a day. Yeah, I mean, but actually it's not really that hard to, I mean, anybody would be smart to tell a guy that anyone, you know. Well, yes, but then I got it six times a day and it was like, wow. And he's well hung and you said a great fuck. Eddie was good looking. On a scale of one to ten, what were like at that time, like you, like you said, your husband was really good looking.

Was he like a ten? Were you a ten? Oh, he was a ten. He was a ten. Right. He was also a football official. Right. And he was the white hat, the referee.

So it was in great shape. And then later, whenever my son graduated from high school and went off to college, I became a football official. Oh, really? Yeah, for 10 years. You were? Mm-hmm. Oh, interesting. They have women?

Yes, yes. Well, I did the clock up in the press box. Uh-huh. So the guy that was up there could be down on the field. so they loved me being up there. Right. Now, wait, do you and your husband have kids together or are your kids from other marriage?

No, we have kids from other marriages, but they're all equal. Okay, and now do they know, are you guys that open with what you guys do? Or is this very underground as far as, like, people in, like, your family? No, they all know, but they don't choose to be a part of,

the lifestyle. But they know. And like, did they just always know? I mean, did you sit them down and tell them? I guess because they were older by the time you guys got together, right? They were, um, let's see, 15, 16 and 18. And you told them at that time? Like, did you just make a decision or they found out?

I think they kind of found out. You know, like my first husband, right? to my mom and dad and told them that Tom and I were swingers. Oh my God, your mother and father? Yes, he did. Was that like he was trying to get the kids away from like, was that some sort of weird thing? Well, I think it was like he was trying to make me look like a bad person.

But mother said, my mother said, I'm not sure what he's talking about, but I think he's jealous. Oh, my God, that's great. Mother was a cool lady. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're super lucky. And then so somehow it just got muddied up and your kids wound up knowing and they were okay with it eventually, I'm assuming. Yes, well, like my one daughter went and got the mail one time. And she opened the mail and she wasn't supposed to.

Right. And she said, Mom, if you're not interested, I am. Why, what was in that? What was it in the thing? Like a guy's headshot? Well, you have to realize that whenever we first started in the lifestyle, we didn't have the internet. Right. So people had to write letters and send photos.

Oh, wow. And it was a very young person. And she said, well, if you're not interested, I am. Oh, my God, that's hilarious. So you would get photos of the people back then. Do you get photos of the people now before the people? they're coming or no you see them at the orientation. No.

Right. No. And it's, everything's by email now and we, we would never ask anyone for a photo. Some people do. Or some people ask for a photo, but it's rare. Right. It's rare.

And what would you say? Because like I had this guy on recently, actually, who was like this guy who started some swing parties. And he's like, for him, he was like horrified because he first went to his first swing club when he was like super young with his girl and they were like all older people you know and that's why he started his which was just strictly young people that were super good looking you know because he was like oh people just think in their mind swingers are all like 50 and like out of shape like whatever you know um and so like what do you find at your party is it is that true that people

I mean you did say they're most of the time over 40 right um right are they I mean I think nowadays I mean it's very different. People in their 40s, like, you know, the way they keep themselves, you know, than 20, 30 years ago, right? I mean, look at Christy Brinkley. She's 60, okay? And she's hot. You know, like, women are, it's just very different, right? So, I mean, as far as, like, if someone walked into your party, like, what's like the, like the demographics? Well, like with myself, I work out four to five days a week. You know, and a lot of the people at our club work out because they want to be healthy. They want to be, and I would say that it's rare that you find people that are really heavy,

but there may be a couple of guys that maybe it got away from them, but, you know, whenever they're around people who are athletic and working out and being responsible for their health, then they get on the bandwagon. Right, right. And especially people that are like going to a party where they know they're going to like take all their clothes off, right? I mean, you would think that there be a little bit more the type of person that maybe is either like more, not self-conscious, but like, you know, is the type of person that

does keep up with themselves, right? Right. And even if not, I don't know. I mean, maybe there's chubby chasers out there. Aren't there? Like, I mean, I think that there's something for everybody. and like, I mean, hotness, right, and sexiness comes in all different shapes and sizes, right? That's true.

Well, I think probably more important is the way people treat you. Mm-hmm. Right. And I just think that, you know, it's just like at your party, it's probably like there's something for everybody, right? I mean, it's not like, like you said, you're allowed to say no, thank you, right? If you're not interested in somebody and then move on to the next. Well, I think one of the other things is,

Like there are other, you find that there's a lot of things to do sexually besides just intercourse. And, you know, just sometimes watching other people have sex. Yeah. It's extremely exciting. Yeah. That's like what people don't even get that you're also getting that, right? You're just thinking, like, oh, you're going to get it go and you're going to have sex with other people. but what about the exhibitionist part of it and the voyeurism part of it?

You know, having yourself watch, be watching, right? Well, there was a couple recently in Tampa. She had her MSW and was working in the hospital for years and decided that was enough. She told her husband she wanted to do something totally different. And he said, what do you want to do? She said, I want to be a stripper. Wow.

I'll tell you, that young lady had the body for it. Right. How old was she? And she was probably in her 40, mid-40s. They'd been married for 14 years. Right. And had a child together. And she went and took lessons to be a stripper.

And the thing that she wanted at the party was to have sex with her husband and for people to watch them. And let me tell you, there was a lot of watching going on that night. Her desires were mad. Right. And so do most people wind up coming back and becoming regulars? I mean, you just have like a core group of people that are sort of the people that are always there and have been going to your parties for many years. And then, like I'm assuming, like a certain percentage is like, you know, always revolving, right?

And always new people coming in and out. yes there's always new people we have a person from uh Detroit every time he comes down to see his mother he arranges it so that there's a party going on that he can come to it yes single because that's the key thing that's what people don't understand I remember when my friend worked in that place he would say it was just so obvious there were so many guys there with like paid hookers you know escorts because they would pay a girl to come with them because it was the only way they would be able to get in because they would never let in a a single guy could never get into most swing parties, right?

I mean, isn't that just the way that it goes? Well, one of the things is that we do to resolve that is you don't have to bring a date. You can come as a single person. But everyone has to make reservations ahead of time. And so we're able to keep a ratio of it's two to one, two males to one female. Right. And we say that because men don't last as long as women. women.

So interesting. No, I mean, how specific all this is. Like you said at one point, like everything we do, you know, is all very for a reason, right? Yeah. Right. Mm-hmm. And so the, it's really strange. It does not work out well when you have more women than men.

Right. You do not want to go to that party. because that has happened. Uh-huh. And then they left because they were worn out. Oh, my God, hilarious. I mean, imagine something that you never think would happen. Oh, and then the girls were pouty, like, where are the guys?

Where are the guys? But that probably isn't common, right? Most of the time. No, it wasn't. You know, it was a freaking weekend. is all I can tell you is there were a lot of women there. Yeah, that's so interesting. Yeah, and you would think that guys would be like,

I've struck the lottery. You know, like, it's just like the, but yet they were exhausted because it was too many women. Yeah. Yeah, that's so interesting. We're at an hour and I always like, just keep my podcast for an hour and I feel like I didn't even get, like, like, I always feel like I cockblocked my guests

that's all their like sex stories for my listeners, you know, because I like ask all these other questions. and I feel like you probably have like a million other stories. So like if you ever want to come back on, I'd love to have you on. And I know that you said that you had some of your people that attend the party that wanted to call in and talk about their experiences. So that will be really interesting.

Now, do you want to like promote your club? Like give out like your, it's clubrelate.com, right? I think it's really interesting because people, because I'm going to buy that one toy, that G-Spot thing and I'll let you know whether it actually works because I've never been able to buy my G-Spot. I will promote the shit out of that thing if it actually works.

well I tell you what instead of buying it just send me your address and I'll send it to you oh that's nice okay and if it doesn't work then I'll say honey come to Florida and let us show you how exactly then I might need an orientation yeah so I think like people should go to your website clubrelate dot com they can have all the information about like when you hold your parties where you hold your parties there's a lot of info on there like all kinds of stuff as well as like I said like there's videos that you could buy. Like that's what I, you know, and then, you know, about like informational videos where you could see the party, see where the venue is, see what you have a new video that's like

you could see what the orientation is all about. You could buy these toys, the ones that you guys highly recommend. And I think that's always good because you go to like the sometimes you want to buy a toy, right? And you're like, when I used to buy toys on Adam and Eve, I would just go to their top 10 list and just like buy whatever was number one. They once had this thing called the Clit Kisser. it was like the most amazing thing that they,

I had to like throw it out because I was like used and abused. I was like, I can't even, I wasn't leaving my house. All my friends were like, I was very open and honest about it. I was like, someone come over and throw the clit kisser out because I'm never going to leave my house. My pussy's going to look like an 80 year old woman after like two months of this thing because I just couldn't stop using it. And then it was so weird, I did throw it out because it was just too much.

And then I tried to buy it many years later. everyone about it. It wasn't as good. Like they changed it or something. I don't know. And that's the way I would buy stuff because I was like, I want to buy the stuff that I know is really good. And that's my point is that you guys, you know, it's not like masturbation is your only thing. You guys are full on swingers. You're doing a lot of stuff. But you do know a lot about that. So if people are looking to buy toys, like this is a good sort of place to get a reference of like what is the stuff that really works, right? You have a couple toys in there. People can buy. You have some videos and you have. all information about your parties that people could come to. And I think... Yes, and we have, like, there's two guys at our club, Jay and Hamburg.

They like being known as toy boys. Because they love always bringing the newest, sassiest toys and trying them out. And so you have them at your parties. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's interesting. We have one of our members

brings the fucking machine and the Sibbean and he shows people how to use it. So people bring their own toys so they can show how they use them and why they like them. And that's the best way to find out is from other people saying how great it is. Yeah, that's totally good. Do the people, I'm assuming, because you do it at the same hotel, right, all the time, like the hotel people know exactly what's going on in that room.

Well, we have, we use several different hotels. but everything is so clean whenever we leave, we would never know that we were there. Right. But people must know, right? That's what's going at that work there. I remember once I was in New Orleans and there was like a Swingers convention

and the whole place of me and my friend were staying in this hotel. And like everybody in the elevators, like you could just tell we're all going different places. You know, I mean, it was just like so obvious. And it's not like anyone sort of leaving. Yeah, it was a convention. You buy out. the whole hotel.

But one of the reasons we limit the number of people is so we don't call attention to ourselves. And we tell people to dress in casual wear so it's not to bring attention to yourself. We eat at the restaurants. You know, so to them, we're money in their pockets. Right. No, and that's another good thing for my listeners to know. It's just like, because I think it's really important.

That's why I let people come on my show. I always say like make up a name. You know, it doesn't matter. You can make up where you're from and just be honest about everything else, you know. And I just think it's very important. And a lot of times when it comes to these kind of things for people to have their anonymity, right? And so at your party, like you guys, you know, I think it's great that it is, you know, people know that they could go. They could make up a name or just give their first name.

They're not going to be outed. Famous people have been there and nobody knows about it. And they'll be able to remain. anonymous. Well, now, whenever they fill out the application, they do give their real name and addresses. Oh, they have to give out their real names. Well, they do, because that's part of being a club, and that's what makes a club real. And then you fall under certain protection laws because it's a real club.

Oh, okay. So I should just edit that out, but I'm not going to. But yeah, okay, so forget about what I should say. You're not anonymous. but you guys you know keep it anonymous within your club

oh absolutely whenever you show up and you introduce yourself that's the name we stick with right but Tom and I know what your real names are right right that's cool

we don't know what you do unless you tell us that's kind of like my show I mean people call me from their phones and they tell me their real names and sometimes they want to send me pictures I don't even want to see your pictures I don't really care to know the actual person

I just love the stories, you know, are so interesting to me. Right. I just think people could relate, you know, but I don't, you know, but then I'm always, I'm always sort of keeping a different, you know, I'm always like, I have to know the person's real name and then their fake name, but yeah, I don't give out the real names. I, like, I was like, you know, same thing with my, it's not a party, but the same situation. Charming to talk with you. Yeah.

And I will, I will give your email to my friends and have them email and arrange your, to talk to you. Yeah, that's great. I would love it. Because my listeners are always looking, you know, looking for more women. And I know you said, yes, they're women that want to call in.

So that would be great. Thank you so much for calling it. It's clubrelate.com, right? Yes, it is. And you will email me your address so I can send you to go away. I will. And then I'm going to give an update

on my show of whether it worked or not. I'll get right to it. All right, thanks, Linda, gal. Thanks for calling in. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in paperback and e-book, but you can pre-order the audiobook.

It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck story. There's a gang being girl story. Like I said, 17 stories. And they're all told in the third person. And they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person. And I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories. 17 of them. They're really. short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format. And finally, the audio book is available coming out August 25th. But you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or

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