Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 203 - Hank has a Pantyhose Fetish

Episode Date: November 5, 2017

Hank calls in to discuss his lifelong pantyhose fetish. When did he realize he was into panythose? How does his fetish play out in his real life? What specific kinds of pantyhose "stuff" is he into? Tune in to find out plus hear a whole lot more including what his therapist thinks is behind his pantyhose obsession. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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a lot of men are very into pantos. Some like to wear them. Some like to put them on their face. Some like to put them on their girls when they're having sexes. People do all kinds of things of pannios. People are into pannios in all kinds of ways. This guy is into pannios in his own way. And we talk all about that, like when he figured out he liked them, what he likes to do with them and how it plays out in his life. So I'm going to be right back on with Hank. Do you have a story, lifestyle, or situation you can't talk about to anyone, to anyone? Or do you just want to let your freak flag fly and be on the show? Well, Strictly Anonymous wants to hear from you. Send us an email, Strictly Anonymous podcast at gmail.com with your story

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So, Hank, you're another panty hose guy, right? Like, and I've said this before, because when I go onto Craigslist and I start looking around for things, the two biggest fattishes that I see on there are pantyhose and feet. Like, to me, they're the most like non-hardcore. fetishes, you know, but like they're very, I think so many more people are into it than people realize because I see more of those ads than anything, right? And you found my Pani Ho, I mean, you found my podcast, my Panty Ho's, you found my podcast, you found my podcast because maybe you were Googling for Panty Ho stuff and then you came across my podcast. Is that how it happened? Because

you emailed me. Yes. Yes, that's how I found it. And I heard the three podcasts and they were all completely different than what mine is. I'm like, well, maybe I throw my two cents in. Yeah, well, that's what's so interesting, because I can have, some people will be like, oh, I'd like to be on your show, but you've had this topic on, but I'm like, but I haven't had you on. I think that's what's why, like when you talk to someone maybe for five minutes, everyone seems to have the same story, but when you talk to people for an hour and ask the kind

of questions that I do, everyone's story is totally unique, right? So it's like another panty hose guy, not really. It's another person that's into panty hose, but has their whole, their own story, you know. And to me, it's always interesting to hear everyone's story. So why don't you start off with, like, how it started for you, like this fetish and how it came into play as though, like, when were you first aware of it and stuff like that? I think it took place as a fetish when I was about 15. And I'm 48 now. So, right.

But when I was 15, that's when it really took hold. And then, you know, through my therapist and, you know, memory, I put it together on how it started. I mean, it really kind of started when that was very little. Yeah. So how did you remember? Like, so you remembered it like in therapy talking about it and stuff? Like, did you get memories and stuff like that back? Well, I had told some of my memories.

my therapist, she said, well, there's where it's coming from. Oh, right, right. And where did you guys put, like, where was the two and two that you put together? Like, what were the memories that you had when you were really super young? Well, I mean, since I was a little kid, I'd been watching family members, aunts, mom, you know, putting on pantyos, you know, and it didn't click with me at the time, you know, that, ah, that's nice. No, I don't. think so. I mean, I don't have a memory of what was going on at the time other than seeing it. It stuck in my head. Right. But you don't remember exactly what you were feeling when you saw it.

But there's a reason why that's something you remember, right? It must have imprinted strongly. Yeah. So, you know, my therapist is like, she's like, well, what did you remember? And I told her the brands they were wearing. And she goes, oh, yeah, definitely. Right. But I know that you said that like you remember like masturbating at a very young age, but you didn't know what you were doing, right? Like, no. Yeah. Yeah. I did not know what I was doing and I might have been doing it at the time for all I remember. You mean as far as when you were watching them with the pantos? Right. Yeah. So you remember masturbating. How do you know that you were masturbating but you didn't know what it was? Like what does that memory like as an adult, right? Because it's not like you remembered it. when you were then, you remembered it when you were older, right? So thinking back to it, what is, how do you see yourself masturbating but not knowing what it is? Do you know what I mean? Because you're almost like outside of yourself, right? Thinking when you're looking at that scenario.

Well, I know that it felt pretty good. Right. You know? Right. And when something feels good, why, you know, do it a lot. Yeah. So, you know, just watching TV when I was, you know, know, five, six, probably even younger, because I don't really remember too much before that.

You know, always had my hand on my penis. So. And, right. So, I mean, you know, it's something. And then, like, when I was, like, in second grade, I had my first orgasm. And it was, you're climbing up these swing set holes in school and recess. And you just go, what the hell was that? You know? You just get it by rubbing up on something?

Yeah. Right. Uh-huh. I mean, there was no ejaculation because I was, you know, like seven or eight. Mm-hmm. But, you know, you're like, oh, that felt good. But you didn't know how to do it again and you don't know where it came from, you know.

Uh-huh. Yeah, totally. Don't, isn't it really weird when you hear about these people? Because I've heard about this. I've heard a couple of people say this to be on my podcast and a couple of friends that said this to be in real life about, like, people who said that they never jerked off until they were like 17. I'm like, really? Like I jerked off like you like I figured it out I feel like kind of by accident when I was really super young and I was like what the fuck was that? But it felt so good. And then you're just like we're doing it all the time because it was like the greatest thing. Right. And but like I was really, really young that I can't believe people is so odd to me that they didn't sort of stumble upon it until there were 17. Doesn't that sound weird to you too? Or am I the only one to think that's weird? No. I think it's the same as you. I've, I've How do you not notice it?

Or like or stumble upon it because I don't think that it's not like they didn't notice it. I think that they didn't ever do it. Like it just never really happened to them. Like do you know what I mean? For me somehow like a pencil wound up down there. Like and I know that sounds really ridiculous like how did the pet. But I was like really little too young to know that a pencil down there like and I didn't stick it inside myself.

It was like on the top. You know what I mean? And somehow it was like holy fucking shit like and I gave myself an organ. I was so young that like you, I didn't even know what was going on. Do you know what I mean? I just knew that this happened, that I can't believe. And I don't think the people that say that they didn't jerk off that it, that happened to them and they didn't know. I think it just never happened to them.

And then they never. And even when they got a little older, they didn't, weren't even curious that I'm just like at 17. You find your dick. Like, I don't get it. You know, it's so weird. I mean, it's out there, you know? I mean, it's rubbing against something every time. I know. I don't understand. But like, this is podcast isn't about that. But I'm still fascinated about that. I always tell the people like I think that's like some sort of weird issue, right? And maybe we're the we have a weird issue too because we're jerking off at like before we can even remember. Like I mean, maybe we're both fucking weirdos, you know? But them at 17 and us at five. I don't know. But I just think it's weird. But anyway, so go on. So you like figure out that because jerking off and masturbating is a whole other sort of topic that does come into play. Right. You

spoke a lot about that in your email as well. Yeah, I mean, you know, when you first start masturbating and figuring out what it is, and then you're, like, you're doing it four times a day, and you're looking for all these different things to, you know, what turns you on the most. Right. And at the time, when you're like 12, it ends up being, for me, I tried everything, you know. I mean, looking at bathing suits and all this other stuff. And then all of a sudden, you come across stockings and then you're like, oh, okay, cool.

Yeah, yeah, that was good. And so everything was turning you on at the time. But then as time goes on, you narrow it down to what really turns you on. And by the time I was 15, that was when it really set home with what I was doing. And so it was panty hose. That was it. And, you know, in a weird way, you were lucky it was panty hose. because when you were young,

it wasn't like nowadays, all the 20-year-olds that are listening. Like, you know, it wasn't like you had porn so accessible, right? So to have something as, like, easily accessible as panty-hose, right? You could see that shit anywhere. To be porn for you,

you were, like, pretty lucky as far as I'm sure. Right, don't you think? You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I mean, you have no idea how many orgasms have had to do a GC penny catalog. Exactly. It's like, it was like free porn. Your mom wouldn't have any idea. Nobody would know. You didn't have to go buy something in a paper bag. This is all before the internet. Like if people wanted real, they needed hardcore stuff to turn them on. Like it just wasn't like you'd have to like find your parents stash or like, you know, you'd have to find it in a dumpster. Like it just wasn't porn wasn't available. But for you it was because like you said it was like the JC Penny catalog or your aunts wearing videos. Right? Was that a thing? Well, I've never done that in front of anybody.

Right. That was a family member. But the memory, and I'm pretty good about taking faces out of my images. Yeah. But yeah, I remember, you know. And yes, I've masturbated to that scene again, just not her, if that makes any sense. Yeah, yeah, the scenario. Like you make up the scenario, but you use somebody else because of it was, yeah, absolutely.

I totally get that. Yeah. I mean, that's my whole fantasy is the scenarios. It's not really anything else. You know, I don't want to wear them. I mean, I did wear them once or twice, but I didn't find anything out of it just to see what it was like. But I didn't want to wear them. I just wanted to see and feel people in them.

You know? And that became like what you, oh, like that became like the way you sort of lived out your fetish. Like I remember you saying in your email Because I didn't read you wrote me like your whole story in an email right? I could basically just read it Probably one tenth Oh okay but I'm saying I barely

Right I'm sure Anyone can about their whole life I mean you're 48 years old You know and this is why I need to do my podcast And talk to people for at least an hour Just to get some information right You can't just talk to someone for five minutes And think you fucking know them you know

Right But you know I didn't My whole point is I didn't read through the whole thing Because it was so much And I don't like to get on a call knowing everything. I want it to sort of be revealed to me, you know. But I do remember there's something being about like you going into the YMCA, like just to see the women doing aerobics.

Like, I mean, like these are the kind of things you would do because, like, right, to live out your, to sort of satisfy your urge for your fetish, right? Well, not to satisfy the urgent orgasm or anything like that because that was just not going to happen. You know, what I would do is I would go to the YMCA. Yeah. And I would watch the aerobics, which if you remember the 80s, I don't know how old you are. I'm your age. Okay. So then you know the whole aerobics thing, hot for a whole aerobics fad that was going on.

Yeah. Jane Bond, whatever, yeah. Right. And, you know, they had these outfits on and you're just like, oh, my God. as a, you know, 12-year-old kids, you know, and I would go home with those visions in my head, but it was different. They weren't just doing, they weren't doing aerobics, you know. I took what they were wearing, and in my mind, I made it different. What do you mean?

When I'd masturbate. Well, I mean, I would see the outfit. Mm-hmm. And what I would do is go home, and while I was masturbating, I was imagining her. getting ready for the aerobics class. Oh, you're right. You would just like drag it out to make it a whole scenario, right?

Oh, geez, yeah. You're obviously like a creative person and so you, and you have a vivid imagination. So that's what you like. Like, that's what you get used to get your, I mean, I think everyone's sort of different. I'm more like you. I like scenarios.

I like thinking up the stories. You know, my mind could really create like a place, you know, and I think that's more a creative brain, you know, in a sense or having a vivid imagination. So you use that to get yourself off, which is good, right? Oh, yeah. I just recently, just recently I'm starting to throw out some of the old, remember those Penthouse Forum magazines, not the actual Penhouse magazine,

but they had a whole book with just stories in it. I would buy that thing every month and scour through it just for pantyhoes stories of somebody wearing pantyhose. And I would take their vision. Yeah. And I would turn it into something else. Yeah. And don't you find, I was explaining this to a friend recently because I'm just like I could make up

like really intense scenarios of my to the point where it almost feels real and then I could get myself off that way. And I feel like in a way, I don't do it all the time because it's kind of like exhausting and it takes a lot of energy that, you know, sometimes I use porn. But I have to say that the orgasm is much better and 10 times more intense and more satisfying. when I use my own brain to create the scenario and the fantasy, then when I just watch porn.

Isn't there a big difference to you, too? Is that the same for you or just me? See, I've never been a porn person, like visual porn like as in movies. Because they don't make the porn that I like. Right. Right. You know, I mean, there's a few out there.

The music. I mean, the music always ruins it. Like, why are you going to fucking put music to it? It's like ridiculous. And it's horrible. And smoke. Somebody wants, I used to switch. porn with friends.

Like I, like this is back of the day. We're the same age, right? So I would have roommates and like, we'd be like, oh, you give me your porn. I'll give you my porn and my one guy roommate.

It's like, I have the best porn. Like, it's like the best porn I've ever seen. I was just like, oh my God, I can hand it over. I'll give you mine. And he gave me it.

And I swear to God, it was like smoke coming up and dramatic music and all these like outfits. And I'm just like, this is like the worst shit I've ever seen. Like I would, I would rather watch amateur porn because then I'm just like really watching real shit.

This is like the dumb. Like I'm like, how do you get off on this? Like I, it's like so bad. But I think everybody's different, right? Well, sometimes I would outthink myself because I'd read one of those stories and I would be like,

well, that one can't be true because nobody runs around wearing that outfit. That's what I mean. Yeah. So then I had to, you know, I'd have to say, stop that, you know?

Yeah, yeah, you have to, it has to be really real for you. That's just the way you're wired. I'm the same way I told. really get you. So let's get back to your, so you're 15, you really realize

at this point that what does it for you is panty hose, tights, that kind of shit, right? And then where do you go from there? Only control top, though. I mean, if it's just regular shear to waste or anything or regular, like, lycra tights.

What does that mean control top? The one that, because I don't wear tights up for like 20 years. What do you mean control top? Like the one that is darker on the top because they're tighter? And they come down to just above below your hip bone. Uh-huh. And it has to be that for you.

Oh, that's a whole scenario. I mean, it has to be the right denier. It has to be the run guard. And I know you're like, what the hell? Yeah, because I'm not into hose. Yeah. Yeah. If you, if you wore them a lot, you don't, you know what I'm talking about.

Right, but the legs got to be right, the opacity and the panty. Right, but how did you as somebody, okay, you're a guy, right, so you're not wearing panty hose. Were you like rifling through your mom's shit to sort of analyze pantyhose yourself? Because how did you learn all of this from Pantias? Or was it from the J.C. Penny catalog? Mostly J.C. Penny. Mm-hmm. J.C. Penny, um, um, by what they wore.

Like I said, I mean, I knew the brands that my family wore. Right. You know. Uh-huh. Because that shit was laying around. Uh-huh. It was right. So, I mean, you could say no nonsense control top and I could vision it in my head.

Right. You know, but you just, over time, you learn all this. Plus, if there was anything with panty hose, if the word was anywhere, I had to read it. Right. So you get quite an education on it. Mm-hmm. But when you, were you that specific meaning like the quote, unquote, like control top thing? At 15, like, had you honed it down to that specific kind of fetish and specific kind of pantyhoes at 15?

Mm-hmm. Okay, so you know right off the bat what you were really into. Because the girls that I dated, they all wore them and I just kind of critiqued it in my head. I like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. And then I'd see the brands they wore and then it just kind of all fell together. Right. And so did like did this become like a secret for you? Like you said like some of your girlfriends had it and something like that. Did you sort of keep this under wraps from people? I think your wife knows about it now because you're married, right? Yeah, I've been married 23 years.

And you told her, she knows. Oh, I told her, I told her when I was like 21. Right, okay. When I started dating her. But all the girls I dated, there was one before her that I told, and she was all cool with it, you know. The girls before that didn't, I didn't tell them, you know, because I was not, you know, nobody heard of such a thing.

And I'm like, I'm a freak. There's no way I'm telling them. This is going to run out of your screaming. Yeah, it's so funny that you think it's so freaky because I think it's so, well, but look at the shit I listen to like the stuff that I have on my show. You know what I mean? Yeah, you have PTSD from it. No, I don't, I don't even think anything is weird.

Like, I don't know. I'm super open-minded, so it's not. But I think it's so. But I guess like when you're like inside of yourself, right, and you have this sort of thing and like this is pre the internet right and you're only 15 you must feel like probably nobody else is like you right i mean how because how would you know or maybe you think that other there are other people because you come across these panningho stories in penthouse or do you feel very much like this person that has this weird obsession that nobody else has like how does it feel

as a young person it felt like i was alone because nobody i mean there was no internet yeah you know it wasn't until probably about two, I'd say about 95, 96, that Leg Show magazine came out. And that was when they started, that's, no, it was before that. It was like 93 that they started

showing pictures with pantyos. I was all over it. Right. You know? And, you know, you didn't have internet. And the only thing that I had was packages, uh, from bought pantyhoes and ads.

And, I, I mean, I got ads going back to like 88. Right. Still, I've scanned them and they're on a drive, but, you know. You mean for, and that's what you would use? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So you felt, but like you definitely felt like a weirdo, right? Because you think like this is, you're the only person and you don't know why you have this, right? I mean, your therapist wasn't able to sort of put it together why, right? She just sort of figured out how, right? And you can't even. Because like why? It's like why do some people like chocolate and some people like, you know, dark chocolate?

You know what you're into? You can't have fucking help that. Right? I mean, that's something that happened to you. Right? Back then they didn't. Yeah, back then they didn't do that. I mean, it was every playboy they were wearing stockings and garter belts and, you know, high heels.

And you're just like, okay, I'm the only one who doesn't like this, you know? So. Well, you did like the stalking part, right? well yeah I mean but it ruined the whole thing when you see it end there right you know what I mean you need to see that top part which to me is the most unattractive thing as the part I mean to me it's but yet that's what does it for you well did you you've never paid attention to this stuff because you're not a guy but yeah I know it when I was young and single going out the bars and stuff and you know the working class would come from the bars and they'd have

their business suits on or their skirts. Yeah. Sit on the, sit at the bar to cross their legs and all of a sudden you get that little peak of the control top and you're just like, yes. Because now you know, now you know what they're wearing.

And then in my brain, I've already I've already gone back eight hours when they started getting dressed and watching them to get their ass. Right. Just sitting there. Right. And that's the, so that's the control top sort of gives you like a frame of reference. Like, right? It's like there's something about

that, right? Because without that, what does it matter? Kind of, I kind of, I kind of like understand that in a weird way. Mm-hmm. Because I, like I said, my, my therapist said that, you know, you're a voyeur, that you like to see women get dressed in pantyhows. They have to be wearing pantyos. Right. She's right. She's absolutely right. You know, because I, just seeing somebody walk down the street with a skirt on, I don't do anything. I got to, in my mind, I got to play out the scenario. Right. It has to be the whole thing. Because I know that there were scenarios you talked about. I'm like, are these real or not? Weren't there scenarios with your mom and her friends and people? Like, but these were not, these were made up scenarios in your head. These were real scenarios, right?

The one I just told you now. Yeah. I didn't even know that person. It's just somebody at a bar. No, no, no. I'm talking about when you talked about your mom's friends, they would cut, like, we're though, like, I guess you would see your mom's friends and they would come over and they'd be in something. And then you'd, you'd, take it further in your mind. Right, right, right. Take it further in my mind. Now, I did see my mother. I mean, she got dressed in front of you like no tomorrow. My whole family did that. And I didn't think anything of it at the time, but now I look back on it.

And it's, you're going, hmm. What do you mean? How old are. Yeah. That's where I started. Oh, you think it was because you were watching your mom put on pantyhose? My mom, my aunt. Like I said, my mom, she always wore silkies.

I don't know if you remember those, uh, they, the, um, buy the mail once. Yeah, no. You know, they used to send him in the mail back in the 80s. Okay. See him come in the mail and I was also so I knew what brand she wore. My aunt was a no nonsense. Control Top fanatic.

Oh my God, hilarious. So they'd be changing right in front of you. And so and because there's this weird complex, right, that goes on where you're like a kind of attracted to you? Like, is that other thing? Because there is. Not at the time. No, but isn't there like a weird time where you feel a sexually attracted to like

your mother, but like you're, not supposed like I don't know like is it like because you're not attracted to your mother right in like when you're older and so if you're seeing oh yeah yeah this is like five or six years old. Like why does it get connected to sex? Like why does it get connected to like your, you know, to sexual arousal for you? Like what did your therapist say about that? That I possibly masturbating while I was meaning like not full on like just rubbing myself under the covers or something, you know, while I was watching this and then all of a sudden it all clicked together and later on it really just settled together.

Right, but were you, right, okay, but were you jerking off because you were watching and it was made you horny seeing the pantos on them or were, did that just happen by coincidence and then it became like a trigger? Oh, that's what you said? Yeah, I don't buy that. I mean, I think you just, I think it's just something. that you were into. I think some, you're just like, boring that way.

Don't you think? I mean, how many, think of all the people that are into pantyhose. I mean, all that happened. The odds of that happening by accident to all these people that are in pain, I think is very, is not that high yet there's so many people that are into pantyhose. I don't buy that theory, really. It's an interesting one. I think it's more about what I said, which is that there is this weird time when you're

very young that you have a sexual attraction to, your parents, like it's some normal thing phase that goes through. And maybe during that time you saw a lot of panty hose and then it connected. Or you were just born with like a thing for panty hose, right? I don't know. I mean, nobody really knows, you know? Yeah. It's not like you could go back and, you know, go back in time and do a observation.

Sometimes you can, I think, when, like, I had on a guy who was like into, I could only think about his mom or his sister when he would have sex. But and I was able to go, I know it was hardcore and I felt for this guy because it wasn't like something that he was happy about. It was like a real problem for him. And I could, I felt like I was able to go back. It's one of the most interesting podcast I did that I was able to go back with him and figure out when he got sort of wired improperly.

Because to me that's an improper wiring because he was not happy with that. He didn't like it. It kept him from having intimate relationships with like real people, you know. So I, but I think in your situation, It's not an improper wiring that this is what you like. It's just like what you like. Like I said,

it's like some people are born loving what. Like I didn't like chocolate when I was little and everyone loved chocolate. Like I was way happier on things on Halloween. If you gave me a bag of potato chips. Like I didn't give a shit about candy. That's just the way I was born. That's not some sort of weird thing, you know? So I think with candy hose, it's the same thing.

It's just something that like you're into for some reason. And I don't think it's a wiring, a weird wiring. I think it's unique. right because it's so specific and I think maybe it got very specific because of what you saw around your house but I think maybe you just have a thing for that right just like visually or in your mind it's what turns you on I don't know physical too I mean I like the feel of them on my fingertips that's it right but what about jerking off wearing your mom like you did jerk off wearing your mom's panty hose a couple times right and you say you think she found out about that or she knows yeah I think so because I I I stole a pair because I was in that experimental 12, 13 year old phase, you know, where I'm trying to figure out what really turns to me on. I'm like, okay, I'll try this, try this, try this, try this.

Well, so I borrowed a pair and I jerked off in them. I didn't get anything on them, thank God, but I put them in the drawer in my drawer because she had come home while you're in the middle. Right. Yeah, I couldn't sneak it back in there. So meanwhile, I forgot to put them back. And she, obviously got them out of my drawer, which he was putting, like, clothes away or something. Yeah. So she never said anything to me. I was like, oh, boy. Yeah.

Maybe she didn't think, maybe she didn't know for a fact that you, like, put them on and jerked off. But she might have thought, like, you were like, maybe, you know, sort of trying things out. But she didn't say anything. But you did do that a couple times. Was it a real turn on for you or obviously not because it wasn't something that you sort of kept doing? No, yeah. That didn't do anything for me. No.

You know, like I said, you're through the experimental phase where you're trying everything to see what, maybe this is better than this and maybe this will give me a better orgasm. And it wasn't, you know. Uh-huh. It was more of the visual seeing it on a woman touching their legs, touching their stomach. Like, I love that pooch belly, you know, that you kind of get that little bulge. I know you're going, you're cringing right now because my wife does the same thing. What if you get the, if you wear like something really tight and then the fat comes over it?

That's what you like. Not over it. No, in the panios in the stomach area where the seam comes up. You know, you know, if you're looking from the side view, you kind of get that little belly. Because the waistband kind of comes in. Yeah. And my wife, it just, she cringes every time. She's like, ha.

She's like, because you like it. And she just wishes it didn't exist. And you're like, oh, my God, that's the thing that does it for me. Well, you know. She's like, I'm going to go jogging and I'm like, no, don't do that. Oh my God. That's so funny. Did you feel weird? When did you start to feel okay with your fetish? Because that is, you know, you said you told your wife at 21. So obviously you started to feel not so sort of weird about it that you confess to people, right? Because if you felt that weird, you would have kept it a secret, which, you know, people do all the time. I thought, you know, because I could see it wasn't going away. So the girl I dated before my wife. Yeah.

That's when I just decided. Just, you know, own it, go with it. You know? Because it's not going away. So you might as well just try to, you know, work with it and let them in on it and have some fun with it. Right. And it's not that big of a deal because it's not like, I mean, I've had all different panty hose guys. I mean, yours is even like to me less hardcore because you don't, you're not stealing them.

It's not like you're wearing them over your head. and jerking off in the bushes like one guy I had, right? I heard that one, yeah. That one was great. It was not like, you know, you're the other guy that wears them. He's not even getting turned on by it,

but he just likes to wear them out on hikes and stuff with his wife. You're not that either. I mean, you just like for your girl to wear them, right? And they have to be a certain kind. Now, do you like to, like, fucker with them on? Like, and you put a hole in there? Like, because I've heard that scenario, too. Or do you like to take them off?

Nope, I like him on. So what do you do? So when you tell your wife, right, like, how does she react? Does she like, no big deal? Okay, that's no big deal. Or does she get freaked out about it? No, no, she never got freaked out about it. We had some discussions later on about it that she was just kind of like, really, you know?

What do you mean? Like, what scenarios did you tell? Like, what stories did you tell her that she was like, what do you mean? No, no. Like, she just kind of got sick of it, you know? Oh, right. You know what I mean? obsession of yours.

Yeah. Uh-huh. And dealing with my therapist, she's like, I understand it a lot better now, though what her mind is when you tell her that, you know? What do you mean? She understands it now, but does she go to therapy with you? Like, you have the same therapist? Or when you come home and tell her what the therapist is?

No, no, here's what it is. My therapist filled me in on what she's thinking. Oh, right. Because, you know, she's thinking, well, he really doesn't love me. He just loves a panty husband. But that's not true. I mean, if she's, She's not in them.

It doesn't, you know what I mean? Them by themselves is nothing. Just sitting there piled on a floor or something or not. You know what I mean? Or in a drawer. But what about, you know, Sally down the street if she's wearing them? Is that the same? Or it's your wife wearing them is a whole different.

Like that's. Oh, it's anybody wearing them. Right. Usually when it's somebody down the street, it's a nameless, faceless person. Right. It's just a scenario, like you said. Right. And when it's with my wife, it's.

it's the whole package. Right, of course, right. And so she just needed to know that. And I guess because like after a while, if someone goes on and on about anything, right, a girl's going to start to think, like, what the fuck? You know, that's just how girls are. Right.

We think a lot. So I started to be a little more, I put a filter on, on how much I talked about it, kind of kept some of it to myself. Right. Uh-huh. You know, nobody wants to hear all that.

Right, but do you have, like, can you get sort of turned on with her by, like, you know, regularly without stuff? Does it have to be every time the panty has? Was the first time that you cut a hole in it? Was she like, what the hell are you doing? Or was she like totally game? She was game.

But she had an end game also. She wanted me to marry her. Yeah, girls are funny like that. Yeah. She's funny like that. Every girl has a different amount. Yeah, every girl has a different amount of time that they could be kind of phony enough just to get like to lock down the guy.

you know some people like I can only do it for like two months that's why I've been single on my life I just can't you know I can't do it but some women could do it for well most women can do it for a lot a very long time you know and then they get married and then they become the real selves well she wasn't smart you know what she wasn't that bad where she's just like okay now I'm married and blah blah blah she's like you know okay okay so how many times Would you say like once a month? Like how many times does she have to put on panty hose with a hole in it and have sex with you? I mean, I don't think that's any big deal. I mean, like, what's the big deal, you know?

Well, once, well, when I was younger, it was like once a week. Right. Uh-huh. You know? Um, but as I got older and, you know, she's the same age as me. Yeah, she's got some body image issues now and she doesn't want to do that at all. Oh, she doesn't want to put on the panty hose, you mean? No.

You think she wouldn't mind because maybe if she's out of shape, it would, like, hold everything together. That's what I told her one time. And she's like, what? And she looked at me like, you know, something's nut. Well, you know, sometimes a woman when you're not feeling good about yourself, you know, you could read an insult into anything. Like, someone could say anything and you could be like, hear it as an insult, you know, when you're not really insulting her. But I get that, especially if she has her period or PMS, forget about it. So.

Yeah, no, yeah. Right now she's not really. really that into it. Right. I mean, if I ask her, I know she would. But I just don't want to bother her with it, you know? Let me ask you this. Did you get into therapy because of this fetish or just like you went into therapy for

other things and this came up? I went into therapy for anxiety. So my regular doctor put me on. Hold on, hold on. For some reason, this thing. Okay. How come you were getting anxiety attacks? I didn't know what anxiety was.

Okay. Okay. But somebody said, you should go see somebody by the side. I go and say, okay. So I go to my doctor first. He puts me in Lexapro. And I can't masturbate. Oh, took away your sex drive.

No, no, no, no. The sex drive was there. I just couldn't masturbate. I could not get to ejaculation. Oh, you couldn't. So you couldn't complete. You couldn't go to completion. You could get horny, but you couldn't come.

Oh, yeah. I was 20 years old. That's weird. You know, so then I start going to, they said, well, my doctor said, well, you should go to a therapist. They know how this stuff all works. It's all chemical. And I'm like, okay. So imagine this. So, you know, you go to your therapist for the first time. What are we here to see you for? I can't masturbate. You need to help me. You know, that's not usually what they hear the first time. But wasn't it because you were on Lexapro?

Yeah. And I told them, he goes, what are you taking? And I go, Lexapur. He goes, well, there you go, that's the problem. And I'm like, how would I know that? You know? So that's how it started. And then, you know, then it moved into the panos and the, this, and the wife and, you know, learning about things. And my anxiety was pretty much done, but I was enjoying learning all this new stuff. Right.

About yourself, you mean. Yeah. You know, like where, you know, how, well, and my wife, too. Did you stay on the Lexa Pro? you get off of it and then therapy. Oh, no, I've been off of that for 20 years. Right. I use, what is it now?

Cetraline. It's one of the original, not Prozac, but one of those ones, it's the generic version. And you use it for anxiety. I mean, that's a whole other topic. I've never had anyone on my show talk about that kind of thing. And I think it's just so common and such a thing and so many people are on such different things. What I can't believe, and I love that you actually go to therapy too. because I think it's very important.

What I can't believe is that people prescribe, right, these kind of drugs, whether it's Xanax or Prozac or Lexapur or anything, or the one you talk to people, but yet they don't say that they have to go to therapy. You know what I mean? Like if you're having hardcore anxiety or panic addiction, whatever it is that you need medication,

like don't you think you should be forced to go to, like to me it should just be a given, yet there's so many people I know that are on this stuff, but they don't think they need therapy. It's like, then why the fuck do you need medication? Like you wouldn't need medication if you didn't need therapy. It's just so beyond me, you know, and I think it's, so I think it's great that while you do this and you have a handle on your anxiety, you're still, you know, taking the time once a

week or whatever it is, you know, to just sort of talk about shit so that you could, you know, make yourself better. You know what I mean? And maybe ease that anxiety because that's coming from somewhere, you know, and that's the kind of stuff that you can work on in therapy. and can make that go away. Well, the therapy also taught me that I have most such obsessive-compulsive. Uh-huh.

And that's part of the reason why I'm so specific about the panty hose. Oh, so it's a little bit of the OCD in you, too. Mm-hmm. Do you have that hardcore? Like, are you one of those or you just have it slightly? Slightly, yeah. But, you know, that creeps out of it still to this day. the other stuff I've pretty much eliminated for that stuff.

I mean, I used to cut my grass and if the lines weren't right, I'd be like, you know. You mean if you weren't going in a straight line? Yeah, I mean, if I didn't cut it straight enough, I'd be freaking out. I must be OCD too, because like all these things that you're telling me, like, I could totally relate to that. That's OCD. I think that's just being very specific and you just like things to be perfect. But maybe that is OCD. I mean, listen, I have panic and anxiety from a very young age.

I've never, I took medication, I think, when I was in high school because I was getting thrown out of high schools and then I got off of it. I've never taken anything since because I've always just tried to manage it on my own. But like I totally understand that and I think like you, like with the scenarios and stuff. So I get like that you, that kind of brain could definitely make things. You know, if you're super imaginative, right, and you're very creative and you have, and then you think a lot, right? And then you have a slight OCD and you put all that together. You're just like a recipe for disaster as far as like panic and attack. And, you know, because that's all like they call it an AA, like stinking thinking, you know, your mind could really create, you know, besides creating these great sort of jerk off scenarios for yourself, right?

It could also create anxiety and panic in your life, you know, and that's what your intense mind does, right? That's it. And that's why now that medication helps me to not overthink things. Yeah. Not sweat to small stuff. And it works. Yeah. And does it let me ask you.

to sweat the stuff about the panty hose, so that's why you switch to this stuff. Now, does this stuff have any side effects for you? No. After a while, yeah, I've been on it forever. Right, and it still works.

Do you think that if you got off it, like you would be, all that stuff would come back? I mean, I should probably be on fucking medication. I don't know why I see. I don't know. I've never,

it's been a long time to have been off of it. Right. So you just do it all the time and it just takes that little edge off. And yeah, And that I'm afraid that, you know, you have to, you can't just gold, cold turkey on those things. Listen, if it's not giving you any side effects and it's completely, you know, taking away that stuff that makes you kind of mental, like, why not? I think that that's great. And you still have your sex drive, right?

And it's not like it's dulling you to the point where you can't sort of like live life, right? Not like I did my 20s, but. Yeah, but let me tell you, that's a lot of, that's most guys. That's normal for guys. That's not your medication. I've said this on a recent podcast. Like all my guy friends that are like, I see it around 48, 49. Some of them aren't that way, but I think they're like something's going on with them.

But most of my normal guy friends, 48, 49, they're like slowing down a little bit. Even the hardcore players. It's like a very different scenario. A little bit. It's not like they can't jerk off. Like they can't have orgasms. But it's very different than a 25 year old guy. That's why a lot of women in their 40s are fucking 25 year olds.

because like the guys in their late 40s aren't the same way. It's like a thing, you know. I mean, up until about 10 years ago, I masturbated every day. Right. Of course. Well, no, I should say probably more like five years ago. Right. Every day.

Right. And now two, three times a week, if that. Right. And now you've been married for like 20-something years and I'm assuming you're faithful to your wife. Oh, yeah. And so you just keep, and so everything's been fine like because you're on that medication. so like you don't have your anxiety and panic, you're in heart therapy. Like you go once a week?

Once a month. Once a month. Okay. And so, and have you ever done therapy with your wife or does she go separately? No, she don't believe in it. She doesn't. But that's cool that she, maybe she doesn't need it. And that's why you guys are a good pair.

She's the fucking normal one in the relationship. You know what I mean? For sure. What? She's definitely the normal one. Well, that's what you need. That's good for you. That's why you guys have lasted.

I mean, opposites attract, right? I mean, imagine if you were with someone like me who overthinks just as much as you, he would never leave the fucking house. It's not good to be with someone. It sounds like fun to me. I don't ever want to leave the house. Yeah, of course, right? But you need that other person that's just so normal.

I think that that's great. Like, my favorite boyfriend was kind of dumb. He didn't think a lot. And when I would just keep going on it, he'd be like, could you just stop? Like, you know, and I was just like, he was like really good because he would just like sort of cut me off at a certain point, you know? But like, so I don't think it's good. So I do think that that is the perfect match for people like that, you know, somebody like your wife who, yeah, she doesn't believe in it, but she probably doesn't need therapy.

She's probably okay. She's lasted this long with me. So obviously she's doing something right. Listen, I don't put up with my nonsense. Yeah, but I don't listen. I don't think you seem like that bad. I mean, I think, you know, your sort of fetish is very specific. you know but and it plays out it's very interesting but like I don't think it's that bad for a woman to have to deal with you know I think it could be a lot worse so you're not buy right I think one of the guys were by too you know it's not all the stuff that you're putting on to you know your wife to sort of accept I don't think it's I mean she's gotten she's gotten upset with me about a few times she doesn't I used to buy all of her pantyos and then she's like I can buy my own you know you know

okay you know but it's not even like you want to wear them i think that might be a little bit hard for a woman to swallow but like women are very forgiving if a woman finds a man she really likes like i mean we really put up with a lot to see if we like a guy i mean just the way women are fucking built it just it's just yeah you know so i think even like you know i'm a woman right if a guy can do a panty hose like your scenario who cares if he likes to wear it uh that might be a little bit weird you know but like if he was really like the one and everything else is great like okay like I mean you just like learn to accept things but I really don't think your stuff is that hard to accept especially because you're so sort of self-aware about everything

and you're very open about it right I mean it's not like any of this is a fucking secret I mean it's probably not like something you've told your mother right or any of your family no nobody knows about it except my wife right exactly do you have kids with her right so your kids are like whatever. And just your wife. Yeah, I mean, why would they know? No kids know about their parents' sex life. It's a part of your sex life, right?

Nobody's parents really know, right? I mean, that's not something that, you know, but it's not like you're living like a double life or anything. You're kind of like the most tame of all my panty-hose guys, don't you think? Well, that's why I thought it was so different

because these guys want to wear them, they want to go out and expose them, and it's not about, who's in them, it's about them with them. It's more of a me. I like to see other people in them. And that's why I sent the email because it's a total, I mean, I don't know. I mean, every time I read a story about that nobody's like me. Nobody. I mean, they, they kind of fall in that niche where they're always wearing them or they're, you know, or they're doing something way opposite of what I'm doing, you know. Right. I mean, I've had discussion. Farther, right.

Okay. On message boards with people on this stuff. And they don't, they're, I can't talk to them because I have nothing in common with 90% of them. Why? Because they're all like my other colors. Like they want to wear them. They want to like, do, right? Yeah.

And they're into these new fangled ones that I don't like, you know, like Wolford. No, but let me just tell you, these guys all say the same thing. They all like the nude ones. You like the nude, right? I don't care. don't care. You just want control top. So they could be black. They could be white. They could be, yep. Oh, interesting. They just have to have the control top. And they got to have the right denier. Have you ever Googled control top pantyho's fetish? Like with control top and quotes? Like, have you ever been very specific about your Googling?

Because I'm sure. How did I get to your show? I know, but I can tell you like, I don't know what really the internet is the funniest part of the internet to me is like, I think before the internet existed. I thought I was so fascinating and interesting and unique. And then I go on the internet. And now the internet exists and I realize, like, I don't think interesting things. Like, every, there's so many people out there that are into the same shit. Like, I hate to burst your bubble, but I really think there's probably people out there that are just like you. Mm-hmm. Oh, I'm sure there are.

I mean, I love Google images. Right. I do that once a week because I'm, I, you've got to understand for me, finding pictures on the internet and I have a collection. Right. Okay. Of the panty hose, you mean pictures? Yeah. And the thing is, is that it has to be just right.

For me, it's like finding a pearl and like three million oysters. Right. Okay. Right. So I constantly Google image stuff and hopefully like somebody snapped a picture and happened to, you know, tag the word. Right. So you can get more like it. Right. Right.

I mean, the best pictures I have are just average everyday people taking a picture of her wife in the bathroom, drying her hair, wearing a bra and a pair of pantos. And that's it. I'm like, oh, my God. That's like me. And that's your point. Your wife must know that you jerk off to these kind of pictures. Oh, yeah. She doesn't give a shit, right?

No. Right. No. She doesn't want to see it, though. She's just like, you know, whatever. You know, she kind of tries to avoid it a little bit. You know, she, but she, I used to take pictures of her. Mm-hmm.

You know, I've got pictures of her getting ready to go to work. Right. And the old, you know, back in the 90s. That's your foreplay right there. Yeah, back in the 90s. And, you know, I still have them. They're on film camera, you know. Right.

And, you know, I've got, I had a ton of pictures of her. Right. She's not doing that anymore. But. Why? Because she feels like a little bit older and self-conscious about her body? Oh, she's more self-conscious now. I mean, you know, she's a grandmother now.

Oh my God, what, you had kids really young. Yeah, you know. But she's not, it's not, she'll do it for me, but you bring a camera out. She'll go through the roof, you know. So now I spend time, you know, trying to find those pictures like that. And it's not the person. Right. And I don't, they don't have to be a perfect body.

They don't, I don't care about that. They could be black. They could be white. They could be Indian. I don't care for Japanese, though. And that don't mean Japanese. people, Japanese pantyhose it. Why? What are Japanese pantyhose like?

They, they, they make their, they have their own way of making them and I just don't like it. You know? The Japanese, why? They don't have panty, they don't have control tops or they, oh no, they do. Yeah. It's just, it's, it's, it's totally different. I don't know, Rungard. And a lot of times they don't have the, the cotton crotch and, you know, and it's just, I don't like it.

Oh, you like the cotton crotch? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's got, that's got to be. that out or you want to see that? You can cut it out. I prefer, the only reason I cut it out is to have sex. Right. Uh-huh. If it wasn't for that, if I'm just jerking off, my wife used to just get ready for work and I jerk off watching her, you know, in the mornings. Right. That's a huge fantasy I love. That's the scenario I play out in my head 95% of time while I'm masturbating. Right. Which is a woman getting dressed for work and putting on her panty hose. Mm-hmm. You know, the one leg for sitting on the bed, then the second leg. And then, you know, as my mind goes, I kind of understand why women don't really like them is because they don't put them on right. What do you mean?

You know, well, I've seen people put them on that weren't my wife, you know, like in videos and stuff like that. Yeah. And they just whip them on. That can't be comfortable. You got to straighten it out. Right. You got to straighten that seam out. Oh, everything.

But then, but what, you don't understand because you don't fucking wear them as then. I don't want to ruin your fantasy or anything. No, you're not. But I'm going to, because when you start walking around in them and then they start moving, like you can't just keep them in the right. And then they start, the crotch starts going down. Like if you're not wearing, you know, like pant, you know, you're wearing, they start to sort of come down a little bit.

You're always pulling. So there's nothing more uncomfortable if you ask me. So my wife used to say, oh, I don't like them. And I said, well, let me, and that's when I started buying them. Right. And I went up one size from what the. Package said. Uh-huh.

I also, I told her how to make sure to, you know, I bought her the kinds with the thicker waistband. Yeah. And then I, when she put them on, I say, she put the seam like this, seem like this, take your time, don't, you know, and she goes, you know what, they are more comfortable if you do it right. Oh, so you, okay, so maybe because you're such a connoisseur and you've watched so many videos and you just study them and know so much, like, maybe you should do like a YouTube,

like, you know, how to video. You don't even have to show your face and tell women. Because I'm telling you as a woman like, I don't wear them because maybe I'm, and maybe it's like what you're saying. Maybe I don't know how to wear them properly. Can you explain to my listeners again exactly how to do it? It also, it has to do with the brands and things like that. Well, give the scoopage.

Tell the perfect scenario, the perfect pair of panty hose for a woman to buy to remain comfortable in all day and how to put them on. You got to put them on. First, before you even get them above your knee, you got to straighten out the toe and make sure that the seams right because otherwise you're going to put a hole in them and that's one of the biggest problems. But what's the perfect brand? Oh, the perfect brand?

Yeah. I think that for the money, Haynes Silk Reflections, I think that's what's called. Okay. I think that's probably the one for the money. Right. As far as like durability and everything else and the way they look, yeah, those are the best. You get into some of those, you know, fashiony ones that are really low denier and they rip easy, you know. And I mean, you get a good party.

That's where you wear them. And then you can only wear them once and it costs a lot of money. Yeah, totally. Yeah. But these, some of these brands are better because they're more comfortable. If you go to a, if you just go to Walmart and buy the Walmart brand, now that's, you got to look at the, you got to look at the fabric, the amount of lycra to nylon. Right. And you, you generally don't want anything that is less than 20% lycra.

Okay. No less, right. Because the lycra is what's thick, right? Like I like like red pant. It gives that shine too. Oh, uh-huh. Yeah. On the control top.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I don't like the shine, but that's okay. I don't, I, this is, you know. Well, sometimes too much shine I don't like, but there's just a right amount. Right. Okay. And then how do you put this? So you put them on before you put them over your knee, you want to make sure that the little thing is straight on your, on your toe.

And then when you pull them up, will you make sure the line is right on your crotch? Yeah. Well, first, you make sure that the crotch. is up high enough. Yeah. And if it's not, you're having a hard time, but you might have to go up a size.

And I know women don't want to hear that, you know, they're like, I'm not going to size C. I'm staying with B or something. Or I'm A. I'm not going to B. Yeah.

Yeah. And it's just like, well, it's just a number, you know? Yeah, yeah. Totally. I had a friend like that. She just thought it meant she was fat.

It's like every brand makes things differently. Who fucking cares just wear, like you wanted to be right. You know what I mean? Whether it's pants or whatever. Who cares about the size. But I think. And if you're wearing like control top or something, you want to make sure that those lines are right.

Right. You don't want the right leg, the control top coming down lower than the left leg is that means you're not on right. Right. Exactly. Yeah. I don't know how you can wear it like that. Right. Mm-hmm. I mean, I just, I don't, like I said, I don't wear them, but it just seems uncomfortable to me just based on like, you know, what I put on boxers or something. If they're not doing something, right, then it's uncomfortable. Right. Mm-hmm.

But did you teach your wife how to do this? yeah yeah and and then you teach her that or did you tell her like listen baby i really like to watch you put one foot in one leg and like you know get ready for work right and so that's like her thing so she does it for you yeah but she doesn't wear them that often anymore because like i said she's got some body images she doesn't want to wear skirts she doesn't want to you know she wants to wear pants all the time she doesn't she's it's not fashion it's not like in style i don't think anybody wears tights anymore I don't think so. I mean, maybe black ones.

I guess you don't mind. Wait a minute. You live in New York. When I was in New York two winters ago, I thought I was in heaven. Yeah, you know, I forget that you know, but I forget that you're not into nudes. Like it's not the nude for you. You like all different colors. You know what I mean?

Right. Yeah. So, yeah, you're right. In New York, it's very different. I'm thinking, you know, the guy who like nude. I mean, it's very rare that I find a girl wearing nudes. No, because it doesn't matter to me. I'm playing the scenario through my head of, you know, her putting them on.

that morning, getting ready, you know, and all this other business. That's what it is for me. I don't care what color they are in my scenario. Whatever color they're wearing is what it's going to be. Right. Uh-huh. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, cool.

But I don't, like I said, it seems to make a comeback. I mean, my wife always wore them. It's not that she thinks they're not fashionable anymore. She doesn't care about that anymore. Yeah, you know, I do what I do what. It could be like the hottest fad right now or the thing that's so in, in, and I would have no fucking idea because I'm in baby mode. Like my kid's not even two yet.

You know, those first two years you have a baby and you're just like in a whole other world. I never realized this, but like you're in a whole other world. Like you're not even in the real world. You know what I mean? Like my whole life is my baby right now. So I don't know. You're going to get mad at me. I don't know what the fuck is going on out there in the real world.

Yeah. Why am I going to get mad at you? Because I couldn't help it. Yeah. I just played a scenario with you in my head. What? With panty hose? Yeah.

And my baby. How did my baby trigger that? Because you've had a baby, so you got that little pooch going. No, I had a surrogate, so I didn't have the baby in my belly. Oh, okay. Well, no, you just ruined it for me. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

I couldn't help it. It just does it, you know? That's so funny because the fat belly, because you thought I have a fat belly. That's what does it for you. That's so interesting. Well, I think your wife's lucky. Yeah, yeah, I get it. I get the little thing, right?

I wonder why. Did you and your therapist ever talk about that? And we're going to wrap it up now because we're at an hour anyway. But last thing, like, did your therapist ever figure out why you like the pooch, the pouch, the whatever you would call it? Because she said that your mom probably had. Mom and my aunt. Yeah. And my wife too.

Listen, we definitely have this weird attraction thing. I remember one seeing a picture of my father when he was very young and he looked exactly like one of my most hated boyfriends. But this boyfriend, he was so wrong for me. He was exactly like my father. but I was so physically attracted to him like horny like beyond belief like he had a getting it a problem but it didn't even matter I'd be like put it in soft

I don't fucking care like I'm gonna come you know what that's not even a joke that's like serious shit and it was like so like I wrote this in my book because I did a book about all my relationships it's like about a year after we broke up I was looking at pictures of my father and I realized like he looked exactly like

my boyfriend looked exactly like my father when he was it they were like spitting image and that's when I really realized that was all like my father like everything that I played out in that relationship but you know what's kind of weird is that that that sexual attraction but I think like that's like a thing I don't think it's that weird I think like we all go through that as a child you know so we do have those connections with like our sexual sort of arousal and like our parents in some way I don't know you know it's like it does exist and it's normal in a way you know what I mean I mean I was grossed out but I was like that makes sense though to me that I had such as tumultuous relationship

of because I was like playing out that fucking daddy thing with him. And the turn on, the fact that I was sort of, I was like, whatever, you know, I think, you know, we all have that on some level, right? Right. And it doesn't mean we're really attracted to that person, but there is some sort of wiring that goes on when we're little. Who knows? It's weird. Because, you know, I have a son now, so I'm just like, should I change in front of him? If I don't wear stockings.

After my story, you're not going to. You're going to be like, yeah, I'm not doing that. I'll be in the bathroom. No, well, I don't wear pantyhose, but I'm just like, oh, is he going to really love ripped jeans, you know, when he gets old? Well, maybe you should try it now that I've taught you how to do this. No, I wear ripped jeans. You know, that's really in style. Now, so when he's always, like, touching my knees through the jeans or, you know, so maybe when he's, like, really young, he's going to be like, hey, babe, like to his girlfriend.

Like, can you really rip, you know, and probably, you know, 20-year-stones is not going to be in style. He's like, can you please rip a hole in your pants and can we have sex? You never know because you see these younger kids. nowadays that they don't they don't wear them. Exactly. Yeah. You know, and they, so the guys that are at their age group might not be into it later on. I might be, you know, what do you call it?

The last, you know. Yeah, like a dinosaur. Yeah. Maybe it's your generation is going out. Yeah, we'll see. Who knows, you know? I'll be doing my show with hopefully 20 years from now. I'll remember this and see if I see a trend because I'm always on Craigslist.

I'm always looking for people and then people write into me. You know, lately I've had so many people that are just listening to my show that I've been writing it, which is great because that's easier for me right now because I have a baby and I'm all like on Craigslist having to do, you know, I solicit people all kinds of ways. But I just wonder 10 years from now if I go on Craigslist, there's the last panty-hows. But right, like there's tons of them. And yeah, like there probably are other people that are the same like you. But yeah, you're right. Like no one's exactly like you. And that's why I do my show and I like to talk to people for a whole year because everybody is.

you know, has a unique story because they're their own person, you know, and everyone is like very different, even though it's the same. And, you know, like I said, I think you're the tamest one, but we talked about all kinds of things in this podcast, which I think is interesting, weird things that I wouldn't have thought we were talking about, right? You know? Right. So, um, thanks so much for calling in and sharing your Pantyho story. Hey, Hank. I appreciate it. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Okay. I just want to tell you before you, go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers,

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