Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 210 - Dr. Guy Got Sober

Episode Date: December 25, 2017

Dr. Guy (episodes 53 & 165) calls in to talk all about how he recently got sober. How did the Cokehead Cardiologist (episode 86) quit booze and drugs? What was his bottom? How is he dealing with his newfound sobriety? What does he do for fun now that he's sober? Tune in to find out plus hear all about how he hasn’t quit having sex with tons and tons of women and whether he ever plans to. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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He was a 50-something-year-old guy who I dated here in New York. And there's a lot of other episodes on him. Dr. Guy is a total womanizer. Dr. Guy is the biggest co-kead. Or no, Dr. Guy, the co-head cardiologist. That was one of the titles of one of his episodes because he is a doctor, right? He used to be a cardiologist. Now he's like a doctor like he does injections and shit like that.

But anyway, he was like a big fat mess. So his podcasts are really interesting when you go back and if you want to go back and listen to them because he's like, you know, a 50-something year old guy who lives in New York and he's pretty hot. And he's got a lot of cash. So he was living like a real crazy life. I think there's like a lot of doctor guys in New York and probably L.A. too. That fall into that category.

But he recently went sober. He had a bottom. He went totally sober. not on women because he needs to go sober women, but sober with alcohol. And we talk all about that. So if you listen to Dr. Guy's other episodes, like I said,

you'll be shocked to hear that Dr. Guy went sober because he was like a party animal, right? He was definitely having a major midlife crisis. And it all came crashing down and he quit alcohol. So we talk about how that happened, what went down, like what his bottom was that made it happen, how he's doing with it and what he thinks is next for him because like I said he needs to quit more

than just alcohol he's still fucking a lot of girls and they were texting him while we were talking so he'll hear that on this episode too but I don't know what else do I say about dr. You just got to listen to it like the good news is I mean I used to always talk about how he was going to like kill somebody or himself because he was like ready to crash and burn he was like a work hard play hard core kind of guy. And he was able to get sober before anything went really bad for him, which is pretty amazing considering I didn't think that was going to happen. But anyway, so I'm going to be right back on with Dr. Guy.

Do you have a story, lifestyle, or situation you can't talk about to anyone, to anyone? Or do you just want to let your freak flag fly and be on the show? Well, strictly anonymous wants to hear from you. Send us an email, Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com with your story and your anonymous name. And remember, everything is strictly anonymous. Hey, Dr. Guy, welcome to Strictly Anonymous Podcast for your fourth or tenth time on the show. How are you? Very good.

You're good. You are good. I can say if you say that. What? I can safely say that. I'm very good. Yeah, you're very good. I mean, someone would have said you were very good in the past because, you know,

we would talk about all the hot girls that you would fuck and all the, you know, materialistic things that you had and whatever. But you're good in a different way because you recently got, you recently hit a bottom and got sober, which is pretty major in your life. Yeah, I'd say it's a complete 360 or 180. I know we debated that one time. For the show, I was always hoping for like the co-keed cardiologist, New York Post

fucking, you know, story. Because I always felt like you would make the post when you, like, killed somebody or yourself or something with your crazy ways. There was potential there, yeah. That was potential for like a newsworthy New York story. And I was like on some part of me, you thought that would have been like hilarious. But, you know, I'm much happier. And I always felt this for you, right?

I always predicted that you would eventually go sober. And if you did, that you would be able to be successful. I mean, you're just a couple months in. that's huge, right? But let's go talk about like how you sort of got to that place. I mean, what was your bottom that happened? And wait, let me just say this really quickly. So if like anyone wants to hear your other episodes, there's like three of them. One was like, Dr. Guy is the biggest womanizer. Dr. Guy is a co-kehead. Dr. Guy is like what? Commitmentphobic. I mean, so like you could get the gist of like what your life was like before, right? What was your life

before? And then tell people how you got to your bottom and what happened and then how you got sober. So I went through a period after, you know, my two, my second divorce and, you know, sort of living away from my kids and having kind of like time to myself. For the first time in a long time. I mean, you had four kids and two marriages and you were like. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot. Fucking almost 50 and now finally free to live. Because you're like a doctor, right? So you were like straight out of college into like, you know, a doctor school, men's school, right? And then married, then kids, and then divorce, then a marriage, and then kids,

and then divorce. So, like, you had no time to really be, like, live out your youth, really, right? Yeah, basically all the things I hadn't done. Because, yeah, I gone from, you know, college to medical school to marriage, to residency, to kids, to one divorce, and another marriage shortly after that. Yeah, you never allowed yourself to...

Yeah, really to live. And during that whole time, I was so busy working and between my training and just supporting family. I never had a break. Right, but you did, but because you were kind of like, and I think a lot of people in your generation, because you're like in your 50s now, right? Like you're, right? But back in that time that you were doing all this, it was a time where most people just

got married. what they were supposed to do. Not necessarily, though, because they were ready to or wanted to, right? Like, I mean, really? Like, were you... Yeah, well, I mean, in my case, yeah, I was definitely...

I got married more because of a time in my life, and I kind of mimic my parents' experience. It was also pretty crappy in the game with... So, you know, I ride with very poor examples to use my... Alex or my benchmark. And, you know, I kind of got...

married at the wrong time to the wrong person and paid a very dear price. And then kind of, you know. I still hear that buzzing. Can't you turn your text on, can't you put it on Do Not Disturb? Who's texting you? Is it one person or 10? Like four. Okay, put them all on fucking Do Not Disturb.

Put them all on Do Not Disturb. Oh my God. I'm not going to delete this. This is what, as we do this, this is like Dr. Guy's life. Like he's, okay. He's sober in, you're so. I gave up alcohol. I gave a pussy.

Yeah, you're sober in drinks, but not sober in girls. The one girl that he had to stay in his house for a month just left and his phone is busting up. Busting up. I got lined up like four girls. Oh, God. We'll get into that. I really might not. I literally might not delete this.

Like, I literally have to, I've tried to tape this podcast like for the past 10 minutes. And we've been trying to silence his phone because he's just getting like so many texts. Like you're 50-1 years old? One girl just landed. She's still in passport control. She's already finding out if I'm going to see her tonight. She's just met her from St. Moraine.

And she's like, what are you doing later? She's been waiting for the other girl to leave. And she's been like dying, like get a hold of me. So anyways. Well, that's just good luck. You put them all on, do not disturb. And that just goes to say, like, because I just told you, like, please describe, like, what,

your life was like before you got sober. And so because you were dating all the, because you got married and did all this stuff, like you did cheat on your wives and you were like a terrible husband. Yeah, always. Terrible mad. You know, cheating is a function of a pretty shitty marriage and pretty abusive.

I mean, I'm bad women like my mother who are abusive and disconnected and selfish. So I kind of asked for that. And as a result, you know, it was a pretty horrible relationship and therefore, you know, it led to, you know, all kinds of infidelity and other problems.

That's probably a different topic. Let's get you going to digesting. Let me go back to, okay, maybe to where I left off. So, you know, you mentioned here my life was super, not structured, but very, you know, very stressful and very limited. Adults. Adults. Adults would be the right word. I mean, you're like, yeah.

But I, that's not what I wanted and that's not what I needed. You know, that was like the worst thing. to give me. So I chose very poorly. And anyway, so about two and a half years ago, four years ago, I was getting divorced again, and then starting my freedom again. And then literally, like, I guess my last two years, yeah, my business was doing well. And now I barely, I don't have to work very hard.

I work maybe three days a week making, you know, a lot of money. And business is very good. So all of a sudden I had, you know, financial freedom. time freedom relationship freedom I had freedom from everything and I was able to really become unfettered and

I'm not answering a text by the way unfettered and was able to really go out and I went out hard you know night after night I mean the fact that I could only I had to go to work three days a week I could barely get myself there from 11 to 5

three days a week I was so out of my mind out of control. And, you know, when I was looking at it, it didn't seem that way at all. You know, I've been drinking since I was 15. I never really thought of myself as an alcoholic. I surrounded myself with alcoholics. I mean, I had random girls living with me. I'm not in this girls I was dating, which is just, you know,

these girls, bottle girls are kind of like, you know, all these hangers on. And we would just party night after night, you know, hard. core we would go through a case of wine every two days at least in that's even we didn't go out and then we would go out and plus all the drugs and the hard liquor it was just insane it was insane catamine gulp you name it what was the first thing that you said what we for a coke thatamine okay molly everything we just we just and you're like what 51 52 51 almost yeah going up near 52 yeah uh-huh so you were definitely because we did do one like doctor guys is a midlife crisis or you're just having fun, you know, because you were like very much, because I had,

I mean, the truth is I dated you, right, but like I dated you soon after you got divorced and you still hadn't gone into full swing of like your sort of like midlife crisis, right? Like you were just, you were getting towards that. You were going towards it. You weren't like at that point yet. And because when I saw you the way you drank, you were very moderate with your drinking, right? I mean, I had a problem and I quit a long time ago. But when I would go out with you

You could have one or two drinks and then that was fine And you didn't seem like sex seemed like your addiction Not alcohol, right? But I think an addict is an addict And what happens if you're an addict personality Is you could turn anything into a fucking addiction right I mean you probably also like we just said before Like have a thing with sex and women as well right?

Yeah But you just recently crashed with your fucking alcohol And that's what we're talking about Yeah And alcohol is unique, you know, now that I've learned in that it is the drug, well, first of all, it's ubiquitous. It's very much a part of the social. I was never a lonesome drinker. I never drank a home by myself.

Yeah. I was always surrounded by millions of people. And I would always go out. It was social. And so it was social drinking. But alcohol is unique in the sense that you can drink it and you can easily be fooled in that you can drink more and more and more. You don't see a limit, whereas with some other drugs or some other things, you feel bad enough, you stop. You know, by the time you feel bad enough, you're already blacking out.

You even remember it. So that's with alcohol. And it's very unique and specific to alcohol. And then, you know, it just would need to other things. I wouldn't have used cocaine if it wasn't for alcohol because cocaine, basically, it's called the ABC, alcohol before cocaine. Because now if you use cocaine, you could tolerate a lot more alcohol. And you want to stay up so you could drink longer. Stay up. You get more drunk and then

the next morning won't be so badly off because you took the cocaine. So, you know, it kind of all went hand in hand. And I also, you know, I realized in retrospect, I didn't drink like other people. You know, someone else would have one drink. I already have three. You know, I was completely out of control with alcohol, completely. And it just would make me angry, belligerent.

And certainly blackouts and just, you know, all God's the stupid shit. And being craudy. I mean, I was not mentally present at all. And that, you spiraled pretty fast. I mean, it was within like a year or two. Like you completely changed. Because like I said, when I saw you, you weren't like that at all, right? But you were headed towards that.

And I think you needed it. Like, you definitely did need it. I would never, I could never look back and say, wow, that was really stupid. if I didn't do it, I never were to understand. And to be honest, the reason I think, you know, I have won saving grace that about a year and a half ago, I started going back into therapy. Because I felt like, you know, I had been there so many times under a crisis. I wanted to try it.

And really, if it wasn't for the therapist, I wouldn't be in the situation I am today. And so thankfully, you know, I mean, you could say God, I mean, I'm certainly much more spiritual now, since I stopped drinking, and I do believe, you know, that there is a higher power. There certainly alcohol has power for me that I cannot control. But my therapist was the one that really read me the ride at. And it probably wouldn't have been such a soft landing had that not happened. So I was very fortunate. Right, that your bottom was kind of controlled, right?

Because you were in therapy and you were doing it. Yeah, I always try to tell people who are calling to my show who I see are like, you know, sort of deep into something. And they want to get out. always like try to like sort of make that ending that bottom like you know as soft as possible like you see use that word right well you're well you're oh it's very hard yes it really was outside forces of whatever reason once when you know I tell you the details of what happened you know kind of just tell that you know yeah I mean I've been feeling you know what led up to me being

sober and it's very recent it's only it's been 46 days now thank God you know I I discovered my problem and finally made a change. But I was feeling out of control with the drinking on a couple occasions. And that particular week that I finally stopped and realized, you know, it was the second time that week that really had a rough night. It coincide with it. There was a lot of those kind of milling around that were kind of like in the mix. And one was very obsessed with. me would show up everywhere.

So it's always fights. There's always drama. And it was really getting, and that would kind of fuel my drinking and drug use even more. Because, you know, I didn't want to deal with that. And I just, you know, try to escape with the alcohol and drug use. And this particular Thursday, a Wednesday morning, Wednesday night, Thursday morning, I again went on a bender, you know, and the girls, three different girls fighting about, you know, my situation. and I blacked out completely and I woke up in a pool of blood

both from the girl who had her period that came home with me and that my face was completely sliced open over my eye and had been bleeding profusely. Oh my gosh. What do you mean from the girl? So you had gone down on her and you had blood from her? No, no. What do you mean?

Her blood? Where was her blood? No, no. It was just like a blood bath. She had never period in the moment. And there was blood everywhere for that. And from my eye, I was bleeding. Oh, my God.

So your whole bed. Oh, my gosh. Well, I wake up and I don't remember any of this. Okay. And I had to go to work two hours late, stinking of alcohol with a giant gash across my forehead. Like, kind of like, you know, bandaged up. I didn't have time to get stitches. Eventually, I had stitch because I'm a doctor.

I got one of my staff actually stitched me. I wanted to tell people who haven't heard your other episode. just so that they know. Like, I mean, you were like a doctor who has like, how many practices do you have? Like at this point. Oh, three offices. Yeah, three offices.

And so many people on staff and here you are stumbling the walk of shame. It's just like, it's like the worst walk of shame ever. Because like you said, you're a doctor. You get in stitches off. My husband always quit on me. She was like so. Disgusted.

Disgusted by me. Yeah. And they must have seen because you were, this is the thing about you that in a weird way I think was good because you're, you wear your, your stuff on your sleeve, right? Everything is sort of out in the open. You're very kind of honest, in a sense, right? About

everything. So it wasn't like you were anymore. Like when you were probably married, you were living double life, and I'm sure you're two X-Ys wouldn't say this about you. They'd say you're the biggest fucking liar, right? But after you got out of that last divorce, you were just being who you were to the hundredth power. You just put it all out there.

You're like, this is who I fucking am and you committed to being you. Yeah, you committed to being you. Yeah. So it wasn't like you were like, everybody knew what the fuck was going on like I've seen you at work you were highly inappropriate on all the time the things that you would say the way you would come in the way you weren't working the way but this was just like the end all be all like they were just finally it wasn't like oh my god he's walking in with a gash on his head they probably were like

getting irritated by your ways long before that right that was like the straw that broke the camelback right so um and I really didn't think much of it I mean because I surround you were having fun. You were like a post even ahead. You were in your issues. It should be not so much fun at that point. Yeah, that's what happens. Yeah.

And but I surrounded myself with people that this was normal. You know, I mean, to go out, blackout. Ha, ha, ha. Yeah, it's hilarious. You talk to the next day. It's just funny, right? The girl was woke up with me. She didn't remember exactly what happened.

I mean, you know, I was surrounded by these people. And so I went to my therapist. that night, thank I had therapy. And basically, he read me the riot act. He said, you're an alcoholic. And either you go to rehab right now, you spend a month in rehab, if you'll let it, you know,

you'll allow it with work, or you go to AA and immediately, you know, you're completely out of control. And somehow, and for some reason, and he's told me many times, stop drinking, stop using cocaine, I know you're not ready,

but you need to, blah, blah, blah, blah. You've told me, and many people, I mean, you know, many people have said up a lot. I mean, you know, and now I think back, you know, and people remind me that they were really worried about me and they didn't know how to say anything, you know, so many people.

So even the people in that whole nightlife thing were worried about me. That goes to show you how bad I was. Right. We're worried about me. Most people are so happy for me that I'm sober. Right, but it was something at that time that when you're doctor-fired, said at that time, that something clicked in you finally. Yes. And whether God put it there or whatever divine problem or something, something made me realize. Right. And listen, I have to say,

and you did say it, like, I mean, you did wind up going to AA and what people will see is you've never been to, I've been to A.A. So I know a lot of the things that you've said. You said you're using like the AA jargon. You know, they have a way of talking. They have phrases. Yeah. They tell you. So you're, because you're like heavily into it right now. You're only 46 day sober. So it's just like your whole life at this point, you know, so you got into that, and that's where a lot of the things that you're saying, I think, come from. Some people, if they've never been, they don't really understand it, but, like, they do teach you in A.A. But it's very true. I think it's very accurate. And, you know, without kind of, you know, insight or, you know, aha moment.

And I guess it's, you know, I'll use their cliche, you have to surrender to win. it's so important that if you don't do that, you know, you're never going to win the battle. So you have to accept you're an alcoholic and that you need help and that you have a problem. And then all of a sudden things start to get by and you have a choice. You have a choice not to drink. Right. But don't you think like with you because I know I had conversations with you not just on my show as off the fucking tape as well, right? You knew you had problems.

You really did. You weren't like sort of like doing it and like I guess it. You knew it was just a matter of time. On some level, I think you knew you were going to go as far as you could go being dysfunctional before it became a problem. You know, because you're a smart person, right? But you needed to, but you wanted to act out. You wanted to do what we're doing on a certain level too. I wish I wouldn't get you probably give me too much credit.

in the sense that if you asked me two months ago and said, Adam, can you envision a life where you don't go out and drink or at 12.30 a night, you're sitting in a bar having a cup of tea with milk and honey. I would have said, you're out of your frigging mind. There's no way that will ever give that up. I plan to spend the rest of my life doing exactly the things that I was doing before. Yeah, no, if anything, I always thought it would be that you would quit girls on alcohol because, you know, right?

Like that was what I always thought was your thing. I mean, when I went out with you, I was the one drinking tea and you were drinking alcohol. Yeah. Like, you know, I think it's weird when you see somebody else. I think that alcohol was part of that whole experience and that you couldn't live without it. And so, you know, it was kind of a given. And so that I finally had a realization that I have a problem and it completely changed my gestalt and what the emphasis of my life has become.

I mean, drinking and drugging and partying was my entire life. I mean, working was a minor part of it. If I ever went on vacation, it was the party more. Yeah. I mean, I went to play to see things all, but a lot of it was surrounding alcohol and drugs. But I will tell you, and I didn't realize this because I wrote in a journal, I was able to go back and read and see that there were many times that I wrote down in my journal like, oh, I think I have a problem and I should probably quit drinking.

But if you would have asked me or at that time did I think it had a problem, I would have been like, no, I would have said what you said. Like, you're giving me too much credit. I really didn't think anything was wrong. I would never picture myself. But I have to tell you, Dr. Guy, I remember having specific conversations with you where you absolutely 100% knew you had a problem. It probably wasn't registering in you.

So you don't think back and see yourself like with clear glasses on. But there was that the part of you that got yourself out of it, the part of you that was able to really hear what your therapist said for the first time, that time, and really get yourself to A, that part of you every now and then did have a voice. You did know. I mean, I can verbalize it. Yeah. And yeah. Logically, yes. Right. Anyone who's out, but to actually appreciate it was that was that moment. Right. Because if I appreciated before, we're to stop. So obviously, I hadn't appreciate it. But yeah, I'm smart enough that, yes. I knew what you were saying. I just couldn't get myself, I couldn't do it.

I mean, so many times I said, I can never do with Kathy. I can't believe she did it. You know, that's amazing. And I never really thought I could do it. And then all of a sudden, by the way, I said your name, that's not a big deal. No, everyone knows my name. My name is Kathy. It's okay.

I don't know your last name. Yeah, yeah. They don't know my last name. I'm joking. Yeah. I got to think about it. Anyway, so I look at the book cover. Yeah.

So, so, you know, yeah, I didn't appreciate it. So yes, on some logical sense, yes, of course. Well, because I just think, like, I do believe, like, as somebody that was, like, picked out of the black, I always call it the black hole, you know, that whole sort of fucking world of drinking, you know, and someone that was like, I sometimes think back at that moment of being, like, magical. Like, how was I saved and other people were? And, like, it seemed so, in a way, I felt lucky because it really altered the rest of my life, right? Sort of that moment that I had that I decided to quit because then everything got better from there. And, you know, same for you. That's that, that's going to be that moment where everything changed.

But sometimes I look back and I think, like, you know, is it like something magical and something outside of ourselves or is it a part of ourself that saved ourselves? You know what I mean? Like, is it that part of you that used to talk to me and have very rational discussions about how you knew you were like completely fucked up, you know? And that was the part of you that was able to finally come in and say like, let's fucking do this now. You know what I mean?

I don't know. Yeah. I know that A.A. says it's like God. I would say, you know, I mean, when you talk about spirituality and leave God out of it, let's just say, you do believe that everyone inherently has good in them. Yeah. It has the ability to see, you know, what's best and to do what's best. But to tap into it is a struggle that, you know, we all, you know, are certainly an apaholic.

struggles with tremendously. And yes, I could see that I don't disagree with that. I think that, yes, it was within me. I mean, it's such a profound, I mean, when I say what happened, I talk about that, you know, I feel it within the depths of my being. And I feel it passionately more than almost anything that I felt before. It's so powerful. Because let me just tell you, in your life moments like that,

Listen, you've needed to have this moment your whole life. It is that powerful. It really is for you. It is. I can't, my life, you know, I mean, and I've been a little remiss about going to meetings. And I'm not so, just like you, I derive the strength of abstinence just from the experience. And I guess my life is so much better. Already, 46 days.

It's like I was blind. And now I can see. Yeah. And who's going to go back to not sing again? I mean, you've got to be crazy. I used to always say it's like, yeah, it's like going from being in a room that's pitch black and then somebody turns on the light. So it's the same thing like you says. Like going blind to see.

It's like such a drastic difference that, right. Logically, you're like, okay, I would never go back just because of that. And then, you know, everything else follows that. The emotional and psychological kind of. depth you get from it and the kind of, you know, intense in your life and the emotion to feel, it's indescribable. But let me ask you this, because I know this happened to me. Like for me, you know, before it became amazing and, you know, you're 46 days into it,

like that first time before I went to meeting and when I really had to swallow the fact that, like, I had a problem and I needed help. It was like the most awful feeling in the world. Right? You feel never more helpless in your life. I cried. I couldn't stop crying, the first meeting. I could not stop crying.

That first weekend, I was like lost. And let me ask you this. For other people that are listening that maybe hit a bottom and they don't know how to get into like, I mean, you found a meeting. Did you go with someone? Did you go by yourself? Like how did that happen? Yeah. It is an amazing, amazing experience.

and you know I would encourage anyone even if they think they may have a problem to go to me just to see what it's like first of all if you call them on the phone they will be so happy to help you and so go out of the way and not even funny and in that first meeting they could see I was a basket case

and and they took me under their wing and the people I met there I still you know I see all the time and one's, you know, my interview sponsor. And, and, you know, it's, it's, it's a fellowship. And people want, you know, to do service to help each other. And they gain strength on that. So it's like, it's boundless, limitless.

And, you know, nothing matters to them more than your sobriety. Right. And it's, and going to a meeting and sharing and hearing other people's stories. it is cathartic, you know, beyond belief. And you're going to gain, and what's amazing to me is that you're in a room. So finally to release all this, you know, this shit you've been carrying around for so long. But you realize you're not alone. Yes.

And that's what's so huge, right? And they're just as many people with just as big an ego as you and just as successful as you. And just on top of their game as you. And even like the most scrappy-looking man or woman at the meeting. They start to speak. You will be amazed at the profound depth and insight of their words. And how you could relate. At that point, you start to realize that you're all the same, right?

It doesn't matter if you're as successful or not. You're all sort of dealing with the same thing. Same things, exactly. And it's better. Everyone, you know, like I said, my experience is different than the next person and you take from a way, what you, you know, you need, etc. You know, everyone's different. Like, you know, you have a different experience in others, I'm sure. You know, and I feel like my situation is a little different because I had a soft family because I'm in therapy, because everything else in my life is, you know, really super duper.

This is just like icing on the cake. I don't need as much, you know, gut wrenchy. you know from a per se because I've done some of the work and I continue to work on my own my own personal therapist so it's a little different experience for me but let me assure you

that that you know it is a and it works not too much works for alcoholism I'm a doctor and therapy won't work because I was in therapy go first you know unless someone

gives you an idea you have it and then you reach out and go into this kind of rehabilitation type of community experience, you're not going to make it. You're not going to understand how profound it is and how important it is and see examples of people who made it out. Right, and I understand all different things about it.

I read all the books about like physically what was going on emotionally, spiritually. Like, I mean, like there's so much sort of information out there, whether it's from meetings or from like the books and the literature that they put out. And amazing, it was written by it. It was written by a stockbroker, you know, like, like, whatever, 80 years ago, whatever, 90 years ago. And it was Robert Kelly who would say to me, we would have like these, like, amazing conversations over the phone and he would be like, Kevin, like, we just had a meeting.

Like, that's how meeting. Like, that's how meeting started. It was just like two guys that got together and talked about their stuff. And then they realized that they felt better for it. And that's what it became. It was like going and talking to people and relating to other people that could understand you. Yeah. Right?

It's a, yes, exactly. You don't need to be, you know, everything's anonymous, you know, it's alcohol to anonymous, but it just, you feel it's safety, and it gives you a safe haven to deal with your alcoholism. And if you're feeling down, you can bring it there and you will feel better. But let me ask you this, because I think, like, for me, and because you said something on this call, that was different when I spoke with you, like, you know, three weeks ago, where you're like, oh, I'm not like, so I've been, you know, missed a couple meetings now and stuff, you know, and like reality sits in because like when you do go to AA and I think this is what puts people off

and this is what makes people maybe sometimes think like I can't do it right when you go there initially or what people seem to think AA is about and what they tell you it's about is like okay you're going to have to come to a meeting every single day kind of like for the rest of your life and like this is what you have to do always to stay sober right um and I think that freaks a lot of people out I know it you know for me after a while and like I never could commit to it completely that way. I know that you did in the beginning, right? But now... Yeah. In the beginning, for me, it was like, you know, I always didn't know what to do myself because now all of a sudden all the time I spent drinking, drugging, going out, recovering,

you know, all of a sudden I had all this for the time. And the last maybe a week, because my days are so busy between my new dog, between the girls, between my work, between yoga, you know, taking, you know, because I'm meeting, you just go for an hour, you got to go out coffee afterwards. There's a socialization that occurs, you know. It's carving out that much time during the day. It's not so easy, you know, you know. And it's not going to, and I have this girl here for six weeks.

That kind of made a little harder because I had to constantly be, you know, you know, sort of her entertainment because she came to Germany. Right. But, you know, it's, you know, I'd rather spend the hour going to yoga, to be honest. You know, but those times I still go to meetings, obviously. Well, let me ask you this. How does, like, the person who's co-sponsoring you or, like, temporarily sponsoring you feel about that? Like, what do people say to you?

I mean, I mean, you know, they're not, it's not what they do. But, you know, there's a lot of acceptance in the program. Right. And I think that, you know, whatever you want to do, you know, unless you start drinking again or drugging again, that's different. You know, then they may drop. You know, that's a different story. But if you're being sober and how you kind of approach your sobriety, you know, you know, it's not, you know, it's, they're not going to be so critical.

Yeah, they may suggest something, but the end of the day, you know, your decision. And if it's working, it's working. You know, I mean, put it in the pudding. I mean, you know, the fact that I'm still sober and not even having a thought of drinking and not desiring to, you know, for the most part, you know, it means it's working. Right. You know, it's not like I don't have, and I have a lot of, because I have a very, very, extensive social network.

Obviously, I have all these girls. One girl was probably staying with me the whole time when I started sobriety. I kicked her out because the other girl was coming from Germany. Right. The girl stayed with me. And, you know, basically anything I want to do. If I don't want to go out, they stayed in with me. They wanted to go to dinner.

They didn't drink in front of me. We had tea. You know, we did all these things. You know, we went to a show. You know, anything that I needed to keep busy, they were trying to do. with me and for me. So it's like I'm like sitting here alone and I'm, you know, homeless. I'm living in a, you know, spectacular apartment. No, but that's what I think. I mean, I was really worried after I got sober because I thought to myself, because my whole world was like going out at night, right? I mean, you know,

I lived in New York City and I was a party girl, right? That's just who I was. And that was my whole life. It was all my friends, you know, it was just such a big part of my life that I felt like when I gave that up, I was thinking maybe I'm going to move out of New York, right? Because like, what else is there? And I have to say, as I've been several 14 years, that there's like a whole other world. Like, there's so much in life. You realize how much better. Yeah, of course.

You're right. That's what I mean. And now it's so funny. At 2 a.m. in the morning where I used to be just starting my night. Yeah. You know, we went to someone's birthdays. We're out. You know, we went like half an hour to the club just to say hi.

And then I was like, I got to have enough of this crap. And at 2 a.m., I'm like, I'm exhausted. I love sleeping now. I sleep eight out. hours every day. It's the best fucking in the world. And it's also important and good for your health. I mean, you are older. I mean, it's not good. A normal life. And it's like so, you know, and so, it's funny one of the AA guys. I mean, there's an Italian guy. He was sort of a cool guy just night, you know, sort of like me, hip guy.

And, you know, most of the hip guys kind of seek me out. They kind of introduce themselves. And the guy goes and he goes, you know, New York City, and he's from Italy, he goes, New York City. And he's a great place to be sober. And I looked at him. I said, you know, it's a great place to be an alcoholic, too. He goes, yeah, why I agree with you? It's a damn great place to be sober because it's so much. Yeah. I mean, I never felt like, people used to always ask me, like, what do you do?

If you don't drink? I'm like, I don't know. He realized, there's so much to do. And it's so nice. And I'm catching up with friends. I'm doing so many things. And I never have a moment free, to be honest. And I'm not drinking a drop of alcohol or using drugs.

It's like, you know, and you don't need it. And you don't need to have a good time, which is, you know, you know, When you're drinking and using, you can't realize that. You're also, you're afraid of yourself. I think that's the biggest fear is that, you know, I probably was unhappy with myself on some very, you know, profound level. And to sit there and be with myself, you know, without alcohol was a hard thing to do. I agree with that.

And you listen, I think, you know, you still have all these girls busting up your phone. I still hope, honestly, I still hope that you sort of. of work on that too because I do think there is a dysfunctional thing going on there with all the women and all the sex and all that. I think your addiction plays into that area too. And I think like my therapist wants me to go to next to go to a sex and love. Love addiction. Yeah. You would love it.

It's very interesting. You would love it. And you would be like, holy shit, I belong here to. I mean, you would feel the same way that everything that you just said about the AA meeting and you would feel the same way there. And I really feel like that will be when you really are as close to yourself as you need to be. I think you're one step away. I think the alcohol was something you need to do and you put away your partying ways.

But I think the women is the crux of your problem. And your serious issue, needing women in your life, needing women to like you. acting out sexually to get women to be, you know, all that stuff. It's like, you know, that's what you really need to do and that will be next. But the alcohol had to come out and everything. And then what you'll be left with is this. Because I do believe that when you really sort of put away like what was feeding you and your dysfunction, you have to sit with yourself, like it can be really difficult.

And I think right now you're not dealing with certain things because you still have all these girls, right? and I think it was great that you got a little puppy, like you got a puppy recently, and I think like, oh my God, I was like so happy for you because I'm like, now you could like let go of those girls. You know what I mean?

You could sort of like babies just nurture that dog and like have a really, like, you know, and start developing your relationship with yourself, right? And you need to conquer that as well. That's part of, you know, I mean, no question.

I could not possibly in therapy for the last year and a half with alcohol and drugs. And it got, I got pretty far. got a lot done. I definitely am so much better off. I went to see Yvonne today. It was like amazing. This is an ex-girlfriend of his. Yeah. Ex-girlfriend. And, you know, I could sit there and have coffee with her and talk to her

microblading that she wants to do and not be out of my mind and not be out of control and not be love addicted and crazy. But, you know, be, you know, like a normally of a being. I can never have done that before. It's certainly not after we broke up. It was a very traumatic experience. And now here I am so much stronger, emotionally, psychologically, that I can actually have a normal conversation as a human being and not be dragged down by my insecurities. Yeah, I couldn't face my... I didn't want to face myself, and that's why I drank to hide for myself, and then there was no way for me to you have to deal with the next level. And you said it to me before. You're not going to get anywhere.

it's not getting anywhere, but I'm never going to really get to the core of it when you're an alcoholic and a drug addict. There's no way. Because you're just, because you're just not mentally present, you know, most of the time. No, and what people don't understand with the whole drinking thing is like, even if you're not drinking every single day, like, it's not just like when you're drinking that alcohol becomes a problem. It's like all the talking and the working, like the thinking about when you're going out to drink. And then after you're done drinking, all they're talking about. the drama that happened where you drink. And you don't really realize it starts, it's like your whole life.

That's why it becomes your whole life. It's not just a problem because when you're actually drinking. It's all the time spent before and after. It was like you say, you know, what do you do yourself when you're an alcoholic and all of a sudden you stop? It's like, you know, it's like we're doing that with my life. You know, it's like your whole life just stops. And it's so weird to kind of, you know, rediscover that there's an entire life there without alcohol that, you know, know, is far more, you know, defining for yourself and far more enriching.

Yeah, and you're still you, you're a type of person that likes to do things that be out there and be social, you know, and you could still do that and just not drink. I guess is really just as much fun, just as crazy, just as interesting, just as adorable as I was when I was drinking out. Right, exactly. I'm better with the girls now. I'm not, I'm not,

I'm like, I'm on point. I'm like, I'm on fire. And I will dominate tables like I did without alcohol, without drunk, get there and tell stories and jokes and keep everyone going

and be the real alpha male that I am without alcohol. And that's amazing to me. And I'm not so afraid of, you know, because part of it's social awkwardness. You go into a new setting. You don't know everybody.

You have to kind of negotiate that situation. Alcohol was a way to social loophers. kind of made you deal with your insecurities anxiety and you could function that. Yeah. I don't need it. You're so much shorter in that way without alcohol. Yeah, no, totally. That's what I always felt like, you know, I always felt like I gained real, real strength

because of what I think about my life, I think like I've been 14 years sober, right? And every single thing I've done, every single day, every single first date, every single bad thing that happened in my life, every single everything, I've done sober, like 100% sober. Like, I mean, that builds real strength. The strength I had before that, everyone always thought I was so strong, but I was like fake strong. You know what I mean? I was bullshit strong.

I was like, yeah, I had all this bravado on the outside and I had all this stuff and people thought I was so strong. But I wasn't. Yeah, no, no, real strength is when you're sober and you're able to be who you are without the drugs and alcohol, that strength.

Yeah, you deal with all your emotions and all of life without sort of Checking out and running away. It's exactly. I've had, you know, in the last six weeks, I've had similar emotions that I had, you know, before when I was, you know, drunk and using. And the way I experienced them, you know, when we talk about power now and about being mentally present, completely different.

Does it still bother? I'm able to function in a very different level because now you have to wits about you. Yeah, being clear-headed is a very, a very, and in-control. and, you know, is a very different way of being than being completely, you know, fuzzed up and out of control. You know, it's not good, especially if you're alpha personality and you're old.

I mean, it's just, you know, thank God you got your fucking act together. Yeah. I mean, thank God. Yeah, because people could go listen to your other episodes. I can't wait for when you really do start going to those other meanings. I think this is the difference between having a bad therapist and a good therapist. Like, I think good therapists are very hard to find, but you have a fucking.

good therapist. You really do. It's so funny. The week after, so I came back, the week after I was A.A., and he was nervous because he really gave me, you know, no bullshit, hard lie. He was afraid I would never come back again. Right.

He apologized for me. So I said, my friend, I said, you probably saved my life. Yeah, I kind of like that he pushed his feelings on you. He has such good intuition. Every time he's made a call, he's been dead on. And he, when he gave me the right, I was the smartest thing he ever did and and I

so appreciated. I think you need it. I think he read, I think you have to, maybe as a therapist you read each person differently. I always said I never became a therapist because I would want to do like what your therapist did and I think a lot of times therapists don't do those things. You're kind of not allowed to, right? You have to let the person

try to find out of their own. If you pull that, if you pull that card too early, you you probably lost the patient. Exactly. Right. He was he waited. He mean he's been seeing me for at the right time because it worked, right? And I admire that.

I think that that's great because it's what you needed and it helps. Yeah. He saved my life. Yeah. It would have got worse. And I love that he's telling you like he doesn't stop there and it's not like the end of the movie and he's like, now you live happily ever after. I love that he says like you also need to do this because he's been listening to you.

I know you. Like I'm like, oh yeah, this is really great that you quit drinking. But like what about the girl thing? You know, that's the real thing. I mean, it's funny. He, you know, so I had a very frank comment. conversation with him last week. Because his first thing said to me is do not fall in love under any circumstances.

Right. Well, A.A. told you that too. The first thing. I don't care what you do, Adam. But you're not to fall in love. That is what you have to stop doing. Which is a love addiction. He said, I'm a womanizer.

I'm not a, what do you call me? Did I like a woman to love me? I'm not a. You're not a player. It's not a player. Right. I'm a womanized. Yeah, a womanized.

Very big difference. Yeah. Big difference. So, and he said, you know, you have to stop being a womanize. And I said, what's your expectation for me? He said, frankly, you know, my goal for therapy for you is not, you know, to learn how to have a real substantial relationship. Because, frankly, you've had two wives. You have four kids.

I don't think you ever need that. He said, so I'm not really banning for that. A younger guy who has a same, and he's treated many people with the same problem as me. He said, I've treated many guys like you. You know, younger, that is the goal of my therapy, is to make them, you know, to get them to be well enough to have a happy, secure, healthy relationship, committed relationship. Yeah, yeah. So he doesn't see that as a very important goal from me, ironically.

So that's not, but it doesn't mean you don't want to deal with your love addiction. You don't want to make that better. No, you need to do that even more because that means. that he, what he wants for you is for you to be alone. And in order for you to be alone, you can't be a fucking love addict, okay? So he's right on the money. I was here because she was here all the time. I couldn't really, I do want to be alone.

You know, it's funny. And I never had that feeling. And we talked about this many times. And he said that my therapist. I never really wanted to be alone, you know. And I would fight Tuesday nail, you know. I still do a little bit. You needed to be with somebody.

But I need to be out. I'm saying all of my apartment. This is, you know, some rare, rare kids. Me and the dog, and that's it. This has not happened too often in the last several years. No, and you know what? I really believe, and this is why I like your therapist even more, that you just told me like he doesn't even,

he's not even trying to get you in another relationship. I personally, like, when I would think of who you are, really who you are before all this stuff was put on you, like, I don't think you're like someone that should be in a serious. relationship. I think you should be having fun. I think that that's more you, right, than the whole tie down to one person kind of a thing. I think, you know, it's all, I'm going through basically a rebirth and a rediscovery because who I am was never allowed to really manifest itself and never really was able to understand who I am. And this is a part of who I am. Now that I'm kind of appreciating it,

And like you said, if you're being honest with the girls and, you know, and mostly they date girls significantly younger than me, and if they have any expectation of me ever married or having a baby with them, they got to be kidding themselves. And I make it very abundantly clear that this is a part-time gig, you know, and you will be replaced by another girl. And they, sometimes they don't accept it. Most of the time they do, but, you know, I'm not hiding it.

And either it's okay with them. And the funny thing is, for a woman, when she's polygamous it's very hard for them to give their all, you know, but they ironically, like you know with me, well you're with me, it's a fantasy. It's not real.

Right, but this is the problem, but I know, but I have to stop you there, okay? Because this is what you need to go into, this is why you're still in therapy and this is why you need to go to those meetings, because what you're not stating is that you know, these girls, when some accepted, some don't, the ones

that do accept it, when they do get replaced. It always feels like a fucking blow. Like what the fuck happened? Nobody just says, okay, thanks for being honest. I totally understand. Kathy, Cathy, nothing in life lasts forever. Okay, but wait, let me just say what I'm going to say, because I shoved

this down your throat the other day, and you agreed and it's very true. What you do because you are dysfunctional and are trying to get your mommy to like you is like you pull out, oh, this is a womanizer thing. You pull out every fucking thing in the book, okay, to get a girl

to like you and to be totally into you. And you are like amazing, like too good to be true. Amazing. I know because I dated you. I went through the whole thing with you. I get it, you know? And it's inappropriate.

Like what you do, it's like you don't have proper boundaries. Like you want to say, I don't want to have a relationship yet. You treat the girls in your life as if you're fucking married to them. Like you say the things, you do the things you act and then, but you say,

but it doesn't mean anything. You know how fucking confusing that is? You know why it's confusing? because it doesn't make sense. Because if you don't want a relationship with the girl, you can't have all those other things. Like there has to be clear boundaries between what you want. And that's where you go wrong.

And that's where your fucking drama-filled relationships with women happen. I agree with you on some level, but I'd be as a devil's advocate. Sure. So where is that boundary? So I let this girl stay with me for six weeks. Of course, she was here. I went shopping with her

I took to all the beautiful restaurants and plays and we went all around New York, we got a helicopter ride I mean, so six weeks is probably too long but she had vacationed and wanted to come to New York, so I led her and I was monogamous during those six

weeks and it was a very positive experience overall. So should I kick her out after two days? It's hard because, listen, it's hard, yeah, yeah, you know, It's hard because why do you, okay, I would say that when you're, when you really get over like your addiction to women thing, you probably won't want a girl that you're not in love with to be in your house for six weeks. You would probably want maybe to have them visit and time out with them.

Yeah, this is exceptionally long. I agree. Most girls are a day or two. That's it, you know. And so it's unusual, she was coming from another country. And she's probably one of the better girls. But you're playing house. Like you said, it's a fantasy.

And I just think that when, you know, to say that you're going to create a fantasy with somebody that is not a fantasy person and is a real life human being, you're going to create a lot of drama. And to me, yes, it took a while to accept the situation now. She's okay with it. The next one has to put up with the situation. It's just this long line of girls that are just fucking devastated. Yeah, the, you know, the, you know, with her, for example, a long distance really. So she knows that. She's 27.

I'm 51. She doesn't want to get married right now. She hasn't met anyone. She's just figuring out her own life. So for her, I think it works. And, you know, yes, there'll be times. There'll be hurt. But this is what I've just said to you.

And this is what I said to you the day. You have to get clear. You're not clear yet. It's always going to hurt. It's always going to hurt. When I kick you out the next day or if it's two days, it's going to hurt. No, I do believe, no, I do believe that when you get clear with yourself about who you are and what you want, not what you need, but what you want.

And then you're able to be clearer with women about it in your actions, not just how you, what you say, but there won't be as much sort of bloodshed at the end of your relationships. You're very confusing. You say one thing, but your actions and your emotions and your fucking emoticons say a whole other thing. And a lot of people play that game. And I think that's a bullshit game. You're right, I can't help myself.

I can't help. You can't because you need it. Okay. I mean, like there's one, like someone I knew from elementary school. Yeah. There's always been a little tension. So she's getting divorced. She's divorced.

And she, you know, sought me out. And we got together one time and, you know, I could tell we're probably going to end up sleeping with each other soon. And, you know, and she gets. little kissy bays, I give little kissy vases back, and I probably shouldn't. But you're right, is I want to be liked, and I do it. You're right. Yeah, because you need them to fall for you hardcore, and you're really good. And like I said, this is, I'm not talking to some guy that just like, hey, baby, like, you, I dated you.

I know. I know. I know. The girl, you go on vacations with girl and you take pictures with them like you're their fucking husband of 20 years. They would ever experience. anything like. Right, but for somebody that doesn't like them and isn't in love with them, to treat them as if you are is a mind fuck. Do you understand? And that's where your dysfunction

comes into play. Because if you did, if you started to be more clear about who you weren't what you, you wouldn't have those mixed messages. You're sending out mixed messages because you're mixed within yourself. Do you understand? So I think once you fit that part, it'll be better. And it's definitely it's habitual, it's reflexive, and subconscious. It's not, it's not, no, and that's the hard, that's what's hard about it. But when you go to those meetings and you go to those love and, you know, meetings, you're going to see, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to learn a lot about yourself. Yeah. He said me, the second week of row, he says, you've got to get to one of these meetings. I plan to get there. It's like, it's like with the alcohol thing, you will go when

you're ready. I think the alcohol is out of your life. You're going to have all that drama not there anymore. You're not going to be waking up with like bruises and shit. But I think that the drama with women will continue until you sort of go down that path with yourself. I agree. And I was just talking about it now. It's amazing how how things kind of finally crystallize. You know, when we just spoke about it, it became very, you know, we mentioned the emoticons. Something just figured. And I real, I must have. I must have. just done it five times before I was on the phone with you. Yeah.

And I could help myself and asking these girls to dinner and just kind of feeding into it. And, you know, and I do it. And it was subconscious and it was reflexive and it wasn't, it wasn't an actual reason. And there's not, and there's no meaning. And the problem is, is there's no meaning behind it. No, there's no meaning. Because nobody, no normal person. The only is I'm dying to stick my shlong into you and I'm going to do it.

And that's, that's my plan. and it's the only meaning behind it. And even when you're taking them on vacation and you're cuddling with them in bed and when you're cooking them breakfast and when you're running out to get the groceries and when you're like stay home here because I want to see you when I get home, there's no meaning behind that except you just need that to make yourself feel good. But it's not about the other person. It's not about an intimate connection.

And that's where you're fucked up. Because healthy people don't do that to other people. Do you understand? I agree. And that's where it's not fair. And I believe that when you clear up all that, you're still going to probably be maybe someone that's not totally monogamous and not in relationships,

but you'll be able to be more clear about your relationship with somebody. It won't be like a girl devastated. You'll attract women that are more on the same page. Because you need, what the problem is, is like right now you wouldn't want a girl that's fucking other people and didn't like you and was cool with the fact that you were not going to be with her. You want the girl that's obsessed with you. So, they're all totally devoted to me.

Right. So you're playing games. Yeah, playing games. Yeah. When you get clear, like when you say, oh, what's wrong with? Everyone's happy. It's like when you really do this right and you're a single person and decide not to have real relationships with like a committed relationship and you want to be open, you could do

that. Absolutely. With a girl that's totally in the same place and it's cool with that. But that's not what you're attracting because you're sending out very mixed messages because you're still trying to get your mommy to like you. And you're working on that in therapy, and that's the great thing. And the fact that you took out partying and all that, all that fucking bullshit out of your life is great because now you could get to the one thing, the one thing that's keeping you away from exactly who you are. And that's the one more thing.

And you're right there. And it's amazing. And I love that your therapist didn't stop at the alcohol and went there. I love that your therapist is like pushing that too. And that's how you know you're with the right person because he knows who you are. He knows what your issues are. I think what's good about you is you go to therapy and you really put your shit out there and you are honest about stuff. You're honest with me.

Like I said, like you know all these things. We've talked about it. You know this shit. Like you're smart. You're honest with who you are and that helps you as well. You know? Yeah. And so, you know, next podcast will be Dr. Guy quits girls.

Yes. You quit alcohol. I can't. I guess if you told me, you know, a year ago, I predict you're going to quit alcohol. you know and say that I see out of your fucking mind so right now I see yeah out of fucking mind you're probably right to

I hope so I hope so I think so in my heart of hearts listen any addiction takes a tremendous toll physically emotionally monetarily

you know I don't care if you're buying cocaine or alcohol whatever it is right it's taking up your time your energy your money, your, you're very being.

And you're not being so nice to other people sometimes. And you know, you have to sort of come to terms with that about yourself. And that's, yeah, it's a destructive habit

that's too different. It's an addiction like alcohol, no question. Yeah. And, yeah, and I had to be ready

when to quit alcohol and it happened for me. And I agree with you. There'll be a moment. It's not going to be a landing or getting to a bottom. but just I reach a point in my own, you know, process through meditation or yoga through A, through therapy, you know, through going to, like you said, to the meetings that somehow

it's the light bulb suddenly goes on. Yeah. Once you start hearing about all that stuff and hearing other people and you're going to have this same sort of feeling. Because right now you think you're like alone in this, I feel like the way you talk about yourself with women and like your thing. It's like you definitely feel like the king of your castle. you know like this is like your world and you're so fucking great. It's ego. Right.

And when you go there and you see all the people that are just like you. Yeah. Yeah. You know, egotistical, love a dick person to realize, you know. It's all bullshit. Yeah, yeah. I think I should go next week this week.

Yeah, I think you should. I hope that you will and you will eventually. I believe you will. I always felt that about you that if somebody could get sober and really fully change. It could be you. And if you ever did it, I always believed 100%

you'd be one of the successful ones. You know, it is hard. It's hard to stay sober, to be sober, to face yourself, to deal with problems. But you're doing it? When you meet alcoholics

or former alcoholics in AA, first of all, like I said, you're not the only successful, smart, lucky, egotistical alcohol. There are a lot of them out there. But the best ones are the ones in AA.

Right. They're the ones that are the best. So they are the best. So the ones you're going to meet in the meeting are going to be really sharp and really successful people. And I mean, voluntarily, I mean. In life as people, yeah, absolutely. I used to try to tell people like, you think people that don't drink are boring. I'm like, I'm sorry.

But when I would go to AA meetings, I'm like, these are some cool fucking people. These are like the hardcore of the hardcore. You know what I mean? It's not for the lazy. It's not for the meat. You're swimming in a shark tank. And trust me, if you're not one of the sharks, you shouldn't or can't be there. And it takes a lot to sort of get yourself out.

It's one thing to live on the edge, but to come back and save yourself is a whole other thing. And that's great. And anyone could do it for themselves. And you hope that for everyone. And I'm glad that it's happened for you. Thank you. So that's it. So thanks for the update.

No New York Times post article on you. No, well, yeah. Well, no, no. I've always been like you're going to kill one of your hooker girlfriends. But like you, that could happen because you're still into girls. So we don't know. But less deadly weapons. Yeah.

And since it's the end of the year, this is like my first, where are they now episodes. And so it's good to know that Dr. Guy, because a lot of people didn't like you. You were very polarizing on your other podcast because you come off. as like a cocky douche. And people might still think you sound like a cocky dush. But like you're a sober cocky duch. And I think that that's a good thing.

And you're not really a cocky douche. You're nice. I like you as a person. Thank you. I had Jim God. People say, don't be boastful. They'll be,

you know, vain. I say, you know, when I say something positive about something I'm doing, believe or not, it's more than I'm proud of it. I'm proud of that I'm proud of that I'm proud of them over.

And I talk about it with a lot of people because I think, think it's very meaningful. And if I can give that any insight. Yeah, you're enthusiastic. And you're, yeah, like you can help other people. Don't, you know, misinterpret, you know, that it's, that I'm trying to show off. In a lot of sense, I'm just really happy and I'm just sharing. And so, you know, as a fine distinction, maybe not everyone agrees with it.

But it's happened in several cases, people who have criticized me. I said, you know what? I'm just happy. I'm happy that I'm at this point. And I have to say, when it's that. raw and it's that in the beginning. It just because it does feel so big like it's just the most major thing that's

happening you do. It's your everything. You know, how do you not sort of talk about it? Yeah, it's like when you get a divorce, you talk about your divorce, you're everybody. Yeah, it's like so big in your life and for other people they're kind of like whatever, you know, but I get it because I was there. You know, it was in that place.

People who were with me during the using time, they realize the significance of it and acknowledge it and, you know, are very happy for me. And I said, even people who do use still, you know, they appreciate that, you know, this was a major and positive event in my life.

Totally. Yeah. So it's not like I'm just, you know, boasting myself. I have other people who've seen it. This is much better. This is a big improvement. Exactly.

Old doctor guy. Okay. Well, now you could turn off all, you could turn back all the texts. We were still getting texts from other girls, the four other girls you put on silent, those poor girls, you could put them back on and let them blast you. All right.

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