Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 226 - Divorced Steve is Now Heteroflexible

Episode Date: April 9, 2018

Divorced Steve now considers himself heteroflexible and is sleeping with a stripper, hooking up with guys and dealing with a transgender daughter who is in the process of transitioning. When did he first realize he was heteroflexible? What exactly went down during his first ever bisexual hook up? What emotions did he go through when he found out his daughter was transgender? Tune in for all the details plus hear all about what went wrong with his first two marriages, what he thinks is the difference between bisexual and heteroflexible and a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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strictly not on its podcast at gmail.com to send me emails. I respond to everybody. I love hearing from people who listen to my show. What else? I have on a guy today who emailed me. Everybody emails me now. I don't get any people from Craigslist. I haven't got any people from Craigslist. And Craigslist is over. I can't get people from Craigslist because there's no more Craigslist personals. So people just email me. The guy today emailed me. His name is Steve. Let's call him Steve in quotes. and Stephen is an interesting guy. You see by the title, he dates, he just started dating guys and strippers.

And that's like a kind of, it's not that it's misleading, but that's not the whole story. There's a lot of stuff behind that. This is a guy that's in his 50s, that's divorced and is like, to me, coming into his own and sort of living out his life,

like living his life, the way he wants to do it, which includes dating, whoever the fuck he wants to date, including guys, right? not really dating them but like fooling around with them, hooking up with them, you know, that kind of thing. We talk all about that.

We talk about the girls that he's dating. We talk about his past relationships. And we also talk about a whole other interesting topic, which is that his daughter is transitioning to be a guy, right? And he's gone through that process for the past couple of years. And we talk all about that as well. And it's really super interesting to hear from the parents' perspective, right? Like I said, he had a daughter.

She's in the midst of transitioning to be a guy. So that would be his son. I think he is the son now, right? But he talks all about that. And like I said, that's really interesting too. So we talk about everything. How many times did I say talk on this intro? I have no time to retape this.

So I'm just going to go with it. And I'm going to be right back on with Steve. Do you have a story, lifestyle, or situation you can't talk about to anyone, to anyone, or do you just want to let your freak flag fly and be on the show? Well, Strictly Anonymous wants to hear from you. Send us an email, Strictly Anonymous podcast at gmail.com with your story and your anonymous name. And remember, everything is strictly anonymous. Strictly anonymous. Uh, hey Steve, welcome a strictly anonymous podcast. How are you doing today? All right, Kathy, how are you? I'm good. I'm good. So you have a lot of stuff.

going on. You had sent me an email and you like told me like a little bit of your whole life story like in like a couple sentences and then you were like what the fuck and I was like what the fuck because you're like I'm just going to sit, rattle it off real quick. You're like I've been married twice. The first time was a long relationship. You're married for 11 years. The second one was like one of those quickies in and out 18 months. It was done. You were like I'm really sick of dating girls but you're like I'm dating a stripper recently and I have a date with another woman later tonight. And I also,

this was a, this was something interesting. You're like, and I also just made a date with a guy on adult friend finder. And then the other really interesting thing that you said is that you had a child that was transitioning,

right, and was just about to start taking hormones. It was a female going to a male or your male going to a female? Female going to male. So yeah, your daughter was turning into your son, right,

this is all just going down. So you have a lot of shit going down. I don't even know where to begin, but you did also say that you wanted to talk or like you thought that I got it wrong, which I'm always open to, right? I love being wrong. It like kind of humbles me because I think I kind of know everything. And then we have like, I have this ongoing debate with guys that like blow other guys, right? But don't think that they're gay or by or into guys at all, right? I talk about this a lot and you were like, you had your own take on it, right? And, and what was that? Why don't you just explain your side of things because it made sense to me it sounded interesting well it goes to all the latin that my mother made me take in in high school the useless dead language that i'll

never use ever again but what it did do was help with certain things like just the term by itself means too and it's just a it's a there's two things it's equal there's equal parts of things on those lines, but when I think about bisexuality, you know, I really, I don't see it as 50-50. Like, I'm 50% with girls and 50% with guys. I'm like, I will take the pussy over the 9 times out 10, you know, if it was offered instead of Dick, absolutely 100%. But, you know, this is something I'm just trying to try out. So I found a term, as I've done all my research on the transgender stuff of my kid,

of heteroflexible. Yeah, I've heard that term before. Yeah, that's like I think more suitable, right? Or to people like that don't fall in that 50-50 like I'm into guys and women. It's more like, because I always make it like, oh, it's a range. Like some people are like 80, 20, right? There's just like a scale and everyone falls in between, right? But there was only used to be one word, which is by.

And like you said, that would be like someone who's equally into and totally open to men and women regardless, right? I think there's less people like that. I think there's more people that are, what you would say, heteroflexible, right? Where they're like 70, 30 or 90, you sound like you'd be 90, 10, right?

Because you're like 9 out of 10 guys times. I'm going to go for the chick, right? But every now and then, 10% of the time, maybe you like a little dick, right? I don't know. I mean, I don't know whether this guy and your date is the first experience you ever going to have.

Like, let's start with that. Is this thing with your, you dating a guy or setting up a date with a guy and has that even taken place yet since we emailed? I don't know, right? Has that, is this like your first like dive into that pool or have you done this before? Yeah, this is the very first. Oh, that's kind of like exciting actually. I mean, because you're 51, right? And that's like interesting that at your age, you're deciding to, you know, let your freak fly fly. I give you credit for that. Because some people like are just been keeping it a secret or I don't know. And they now, you know, but like here you are in the middle of your life doing something completely,

you know, sort of very out of the box, right? And new. But I think that's great. So, yeah, it was funny too, because I did have that date. With the guy? Yeah, it was a comedy of errors, too, because, I mean, I hadn't been dating, so I haven't been doing any, what do we call it, man escaping or any of that stuff. so I did the old

Nair thing and it was a few years since I've done that so I went ahead and did that and I end up getting freaking chemical burn to my nuts Oh my God and like with a woman it wouldn't be so bad because most likely she's not going to fuck you on the first day

But if you're going to meet a guy He probably you want action He wants action right? Like you're doing something quicker maybe Probably most of the time Well definitely because I mean It was weird because the conversation was, hey, what's up? Hey, what's up?

What are you doing? Nothing. What are you doing? Hey, you want to get down? All right, I'm down with anything. Then it's time. You know, it's just so simple. I always say, I think that gay men are like the happiest guys on the planet.

Like, I always tell my heterosexual guy friends that are really horny for girls and just like the total players and just like always chasing chicks. You know, I'm always like, you'd be so much happier if you were gay. I think gay men are just the happiest, right? Because it's just, there is none of that bullshit, right? It's like you operate on the same way, right? You're like, you're not looking for any kind of foreplay. He's not either, you know, so you just cut to the chase, what you're both there for.

So did he see the burn on your balls? No, no. Actually, once he got into it, I didn't feel it at all. It wasn't until I got in the shower when I got home that it worked out all right. But what were you looking for? like because I do have for that with these heteroflexible guys that are on my show right and I don't know if you've listened to a bunch of them but each one has different things that they're into some guys just want to blow guys some guys just want to get blown it's rare that I have a guy that'll get fucked in the ass and doesn't

think that they're like into guys really but like there are of course that's a thing if you're by even if you're 10% by right what was it about guys that you were looking to experience and when you made it like a date are you looking to like are you open to possibly actually even in dating somebody and being emotional with a guy, or was it just strictly like a sexual thing? I'd say strictly a sexual thing. I think, you know, it was my birthday when I was going down this path and trying to figure shit out.

I was like, you know what? 51 years old, you know, don't say no until you try to kind of think. Uh-huh. So that was the whole thing. I just wanted to go ahead and try it, see if I liked it, see if there was something to it. You know, I did like some of it. Some of it, I don't think I do.

But did you try it all? Like when you say I wanted to try it, like, what were you thinking that you would want to experience with a Jude? Well, giving a whirl, just kind of touching and things along in those lines. The kissing part just really never appealed to me. Anal, I don't know. I'd rather get pegged, try that first before I try to do with a guy. You know, I'm kind of, again, I go back to what I said.

I'm never going to say no until I'll try it. So it's still on the to-do list. So you'd like to be at top, but also, would you be open to trying to be a bottom as well or no? Yeah, I actually had to look up those terms when I was on the building finder last week. And they're like, top, bottom, and verse is. What's verse? Like, you like both? I guess so.

Yeah, I don't know that word. That's what I read. Uh-huh. versatile. Oh, right, right. Perfect. That makes sense. So with this guy, was it just oral?

Like, and when you say oral, do you mean like giving and receiving on both ends for you? Yeah. Getting and receiving. And he wanted a kiss. I gave it a shot. Definitely not a fan. What? Too much razor?

Yeah. He didn't say if I have a beard, so it's kind of, yeah, not a fan. Okay. So you, but you tried it. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So. And how was your first experience?

Was it just like, oh, my God, like the hottest thing? Was it like, oh, something's kind of missing? Like, how did it play out for you? I was really turned on, actually. I kind of enjoyed giving the oral and obviously enjoyed receiving it. Just touching the other guy was kind of exciting and erotic. You know, I don't know if it's like a, you know, the feeling when you're in a new relationship, NRE, I guess I call it.

I don't know if it's just because, it's new to me that it's exciting. Right. I'm going to do it again. With the same guy? I might. Depends if I'm already, but I want to kind of look at potentially other guys. And that's the other thing about Adult Friend Finder.

At my age, and you talk a lot about this on some of your podcasts, some of the generational differences between women today and women of my generation. Yeah. There's a lot more flag-flying freaks, I guess, the younger generations. Totally. So adult friend finder is kind of, it's a lot of couples, a lot of big, beautiful women, and a lot of guys.

Right. So there wasn't a lot of single women that were kind of looking to, you know, get all crazy, at least in my area. I only looked around my area. Right. Yeah, I think that's way harder. to find a girl. That's like the unicorn, right, that people are looking for.

Yeah. So, and I just kind of, I was just in this place after, you know, I was not dating for a long period of time after a second marriage. And I travel a lot for work and I just been having this attitude of, you know, why the fuck not? So I was in Oklahoma on business, went to a strip club with a few very nice strippers and actually had a spark with one of them and we started seeing each other outside of that and that's been fun. So whenever I'm in town, we hook up.

You see her. Okay, that's cool because I know you did say like you were like really sick of dating women. But the strippers okay? Yeah, but well, it's kind of different. Because when you go back to what we were just talking about, that whole interaction with the guy to kind of hook up was so pretty simple. And when I'm dating with the women, there's a lot of, all right, there's guys just do it to themselves,

honestly. I mean, I've seen how these single guys try to hit on and pick up women on these sites, and it's, I just, it's just not my nature. I can't do it. These guys are doing,

just getting all creepy and nasty. And the woman just has to kind of put filters on everything, and they have to make sure that, all right, is this got crazy? Is he not crazy? So I try to do that, put it at ease,

and we go back and forth, have conversations, you know, try and do that stuff. It's a process to start dating women. Right. And did you find that it was easier with the stripper because you met her there? And then maybe it's just like a sexual thing between you guys and she doesn't really expect much?

Like, what's the difference? Well, I think, I mean, she's been doing this for a while and we talked a little bit about it. And, you know, there's a lot of guys that have hangups about certain things and things like that. and so she is not, maybe your expectations aren't that high, or that she's just looking, you know, for some fun and some good conversation and someone that treats her nice. And I'm fine with that. That's, I think, what she is looking for, even though she said she wanted to be friends

and possibly more, that I think she's really responding to just someone treating her nice. How old is she? She is 36. Okay, so that's pretty great. right? I mean, she was probably hot. She's 36 for you. Like, that's a good find. Right? I mean, it's just like perfect for where you're at in your life, for what has just

recently happened to you, right? You're probably not looking to get sort of tied down, right? You're a little irritated by all the probably drama that goes into, you know, a real relationship. So, you know, maybe the 36-year-old stripper is like the perfect person for you. Though you were, told me you did have another. date with a black woman you said that when you emailed me like you had it like that night or the next day like you're still also like looking for variety when it comes to women too well it's just kind of weird because once I made this commitment to try things like this it seemed like everything started happening on you know the relationship front like I had this

woman respond to me on on match and then there was another woman last night I just grabbing a drink and dinner on my way home from work. Let's check up a conversation, and we might have a date going on. So, I mean, I don't, all this is like years of a drought. Right. And now all of a sudden, it's like as soon as I go ahead and make one, move, like, you know, all right, I'm going to go ahead and call a guy, all of a sudden, all this shit starts happening. Yeah, like they say when it rains and pours.

Right? Right. That's the, right? It is. So how long have it been since you were divorced to your? your second wife? Oh, see. We were... No, 2012. Right. So you had a while

of being, like, just staying away, and now you're back in the game. Even if you didn't really realize it, you kind of are, right? I guess I am, yeah. I mean, my kids were feeling bad for me, and they said, Dad,

just go ahead and date. I try to do a date. I just said, this is why I don't want a date, and I just stopped it. So, why did the second marriage last, like, so short? Like, and how long were you,

You were married for 18 months, or were you together a total of 18 months? Now, we were together for about four years. Okay. The challenge, neither one of us fully healed from our initial divorce. Number one. Number two, there were stepkids involved. And neither one of us were trained on that. And we had a lot of them together.

I won't say how many, but it's somewhat unique. But together, and they were right around the same age, and just being a step-parent is very different than being a parent because I learned this the hard way and it just, you know, if it was, if we never got married, we lived in our own houses and just got together when the kids were at the other spouse's house,

we'd probably still be together because I loved her I felt that she loved me and, you know, so much different than my first marriage or I said, I'm just going to go with love instead of, you know, I went after a brain, the first time. That didn't work out very well. You went after brains the first time

and that didn't work out? That was the girl, loveless, sexless marriage. Yeah, I would just had this plan and, you know, the best laid plans are crap. But basically, all right, I wanted the 2.3 kids. We both had graduate degrees.

I actually helped pay for the second one. She was a CPA, help pay for that. So career-oriented, working toward financial goals and had this picture in my head. She signed up for it. And we had her first kid. Well, we're not going to talk about this, but I'm just not going to work anymore. And, you know, so that totally went out the window.

And one thing after another, it just, you just never hit it off. I mean, she likes it when we had it, but you just never had it. And I was just, I was just done. Right. So it sort of was, like, good on paper, but just not, for some reason, it didn't work out in reality, right? Everything was there, right? If you wrote it down, you'd be like, this sounds perfect. But for some reason, it just really wasn't perfect at all.

And that is so why I went after my second relation, just like, I'm just going to let whatever guide me, you know, feeling or whatever. And, you know, I actually had a broken heart after that. So that was a good thing. I still felt something, at least. But the, and, you know, it hurt the kids on both sides and everything else when we ended up breaking up. but I think it was for the better, but I think there's somewhere down the line there might be just a mix of the two,

and I'm just giving up on trying to figure out what that is. I'm just going to let whatever happens happen. Right. And then now, let me ask you this, because you just had your first date with a guy, right? And you're just like, oh, let me figure it out. It's my birthday. And I'm just like changes in the air,

whatever's going on, right? But, like, had you ever thought, like, when did you realize or know, or did you never know until now that you had a thing for guys, maybe? I thought about it. When I was pre-team before we could actually had hair on our balls, I mean, some friends

just kind of played around. I guess I'll always do that, I think. Yeah, I think a lot of guys, I had a lot of gags, but I mean, I hear shit from some guys that tell me that stuff that went down, like, in their high school locker. Like, I swear that I'm just like, oh, my God. Do you really, like, register what this all means in your head? And they don't. Like, they just see it as, like, this.

thing that happened, you know, but a lot of that kind of stuff does go down, right, when you're younger? Yeah. So, I mean, so I had done it at the time. It wasn't sexual, sexual, because, I mean, hell, we didn't really have those urges back then. I was just, you know, just playing around doing something silly. But, you know, I remembered it.

And I said, well, I think I'm going to want to try that. And that's kind of way. And so I've been thinking about that for a while, but I've never really. going to do it. Right. So it was always there sort of in your head and whatever, but you had never experienced anything but you eventually did recently.

And it was great. Yeah, I enjoyed it. Right. I enjoyed it. And the guy, was he, like, do you have like a type? Did you realize, like, I mean, because sometimes I think you don't know what you want until, like, you realize what you don't want, right? Like, so that guy that you met were you like, oh, he's great, but, like, I realize I really want, like, a bigger dick or a taller guy or, like, maybe someone not so hairy or, I don't know.

Like, do you have a type? I don't. I mean, really, I was just looking for the experience. Uh-huh. But I'm looking around, and yet, bigger dick is probably something I wanted to try, so that's what I've been looking for. Uh-huh. I got another, I don't know if it's a date, but I'm meeting somebody Saturday, see what happens. A guy?

Yeah. another guy. And now when you find these guys right on an adult friend finder, are they like from your area or do you drive pretty far out to meet them? Because I always wonder like, you know, or I would be if it was me, like I would worry because I just like think things through probably too much. Like what if it's like someone that, I mean, you see the people on adult friend friend or right, but like what if it's someone that I know that I don't know that I know that? You know what I mean? Like it could be dangerous, right? Especially if it's something that you're trying to keep a secret. And that is definitely something. So I insisted on a face pick once we started making that decision, just so I made sure that he wasn't somebody that I knew. Right. And then, you know, I'm a pretty big guy. I was in the military.

I do conceal carry, so I'm really not that concerned about safety. Right. But we go like maybe 30 minutes, 35 minutes, to get to his house. Right. So you go pretty far away. I probably, yeah. I probably won't. Oh, it's just because my kids are old enough.

that even though they're at their moms, they might pop out of my house at some point, and that's not what I want them to see. Right. I mean, do you plan on, like, this kind of thing right now that you're sort of open enough to try it, do you feel that you're open enough to actually tell anyone that you're into this,

or is it something that you're going to keep, like, on the down low? I think it's too early to decide that. I'm going to keep going, and if it's still exciting, every time I do it, I think I'll keep doing it. And if I keep doing it, then, yeah, I might tell somebody. Right. And like if you're with a woman and you're having a relationship,

would you let her know because maybe it's something that you would want to keep doing, you know, right? Who knows? Yeah. Yeah, because, I mean, one of the girls that I dated after my marriage was in swinging before. Uh-huh. And I had no idea what it was, but my nature, I have, like, a OCD thing is, like, if something's interesting,

all just dive in and try to listen a podcast or whatever. So I kind of dove into the swinging thing, just understanding it. We never did it. But just trying to understand it and things on low-wind and why people do it. And that kind of opened up a lot of things in my head as I started going down there. You know, it's like, hey, it's just sex, you know. All the crap that society puts on people and on you and how you feel about different things is just, you know, it is what it is. It's bullshit.

just kind of look what these people are doing. They're perfectly happy, healthy relationships. I don't know how I'd get past the green-eyed monster being jealousy, but, you know, these people do it. And sometimes, I don't know if you've listened. I've talked to a lot of people in the past four years that I've been doing my show, and I have to tell you a lot of people,

and I get this a lot, where they say they would have 100% thought that they would be the jealous type. Like they never thought that they would be okay with watching their partner, whether it was a guy or a woman, you know, with the other, someone of the other sex, right? But, and so many of them say that when it actually happened, they not only were not jealous, they were like really into it. And that was shocking to them. Do you know what I mean? It wasn't like they knew they were. It wasn't like they knew they weren't going to be jealous. It was like they really thought that they were and they were a jealous type of person. But when it actually happened, they realized they weren't and they actually really enjoyed it. So I think you just don't know, right? Well, and I'm telling you, too, it's like, when I masturbate, I think of my second life. Right. In positions with other men or doing different things. So there you go.

You know, it's really hot. And, you know, at the beginning, it's like, all right, I don't think I could be a good cuck, but I'd participate. I think that'd be kind of fun, and she'd appreciate it. Yeah, you start to realize that maybe that's, like, what you're doing. It wasn't until people started telling me these stories that I realized, like, I had a long-term booty call once. And like after we were fucking for many years, it's like the same shit, you know, like, he would like always lie about being with other women. And I'd be like, why don't you?

I would, like, it would actually help the situation if you told me you were with other women at this point. Like, it would be something interesting. And that's when I started to realize, like, I think I have a little bit of that in me, right? Because like, why would that add to something if it wasn't something that maybe would turn me on? Do you know what I mean?

So I think sometimes you don't even realize it's something that you be into. But if you think about what you fantasize or what's kind of interesting to you, like maybe that that's like the sign, right? Like you said, like you were fantasizing about that. So you would probably maybe not be that jealous and maybe you'd just be into it. I think at this point, especially the experiences of these past week or so, I definitely would be into it. You know, you don't know until you get into it, but I think I've gone down the path of trying to be open them honest with myself and my preferences. I think I would try and probably be okay with. Right. And now let me ask you this because you just did like all this oral stuff with the guy and you tried kissing him and other

things like do you plan on the next guy do you want to do like do you want to maybe fuck him in the ass or let him do it to you or do you want to hold or you just want to stick to oral right now like do you know where you're at as far as that goes no i'm going to try it you want to try it with this guy the next guy yep yeah that's interesting and you want to try both ways top body you want to be a verse Yeah, I'm going to try it. Like I said, I'm not going to say no. Right. Did you ask this guy whether he's a top or bottom?

Like, do you have you guys discuss stuff like that? Because normally I think a lot of times people are like one or the other, right? And they kind of put it out there. Yeah, this first guy really know. Because we just kind of said, hey, oral and touching see what happens. Yeah, yeah. Um, the second guy says, I can do top bottom. It doesn't matter.

And as a... He's open, too. Yeah, he's open. That's cool. And now, do you find, like, the first guy and this guy, do you know if they're, like, are they gay guys? Are they, like, married guys that are doing this on the side? Are they single in, like, you?

Are they in your age range? Like, what have, like, what's the details of them? What's their details? Yeah, they're in my age range. These guys are all in the 50s. The ones I've been talking to. Some are married. The guy I was with the other night was divorced twice.

So we had that in common. Yeah. And where did you meet that guy when you got it on with him? At his house. He could host. He didn't have his oldest kid is away from the military or something. Now, do your kids live with you? Yes, part-time.

And now what about this one? I mean, can we get into the 17-year-old? Did she, like, when did you find out that she was, you know, felt like she was transgender? I mean, I know that she's starting to transition right now, but, like, how old was she when she told you? It was two or three years ago. Uh-huh. So, basically, she started cutting and just sat all the time and all this other stuff. So me and her mom got her some therapy.

around this and the cutting kept going on. We tried swapping out doctors, trying new meds. Still, this was going on. And finally, we had to, you know, put her in a mental hospital because she wanted to kill herself. Oh, God. And, you know, we finally got down to it that she just does not, I'm saying she now, because we're talking about her at that point.

Yeah, uh-huh. It's a struggle for me to say he now. Yeah. But she was, just started talking to a new psychologist or therapist, I'm not sure which. And it just kind of all started coming out. And she has been, he is now much happier. And it's kind of weird, too, because all this stuff I'm hearing from my younger kids about how things are at the middle and the high school,

is there already going down this path of labeling each other, like, gender neutral, non-binary, whatever the stuff there is. Yeah, yeah. You know, back of my day, you're like dick, you're like pussy, you're both, but, you know. There was nothing else, right. Yeah, well, and I get it after my own heteroflexible comments, so I get that part of it, but keeping track of it's kind of mind-boggling for a man like me. Yeah.

I think that that's what's so great. about this younger generation that they have those labels and those things so people could, you know, because I think when we were growing up, there was only two places that you could fit into and you had to make a choice and that was it, right? And then people had a secret thing on the side or whatever, but that was all that was really known where you could belong, right? And the only relationships that were available for you was you were like single or you were like in a relationship and you were going to get married and have kids, right? There weren't like a lot of other options, right? So everybody did the same thing, you know? Now,

it's just like everyone could be who they want to be and there's names for those things right and I think that that does help people especially young people figure out who they are and where they fit you know and I think that it's so great that there's so many different places and categories for people because I think when we were growing up there was like like I said there was two things to do you either like stayed single which was like you were like frowned upon I think or you got married and had kids at a very young age right and you were straight because everything is that's else was like taboo, right? And so I think a lot of people live lives that weren't really probably what they wanted to

do, you know, at a time, at the time. And it all went pretty fucking south, right? Right. So I think it's great. And like, so keep going with your daughter, your son. I mean, you know, with your story. Yeah. So, you know, that's when it started coming out.

Now let me ask you this. Did the therapist tell you because I don't know if she was still a minor? that time, does the therapist come back and tell you? Or did she, when she started being honest with the therapist about it, did she tell you about it? Like, how did you find out the parent? She told mom. So, I mean, the parent relationship right now

is mom's best friend and I'm parent, so I'm kind of the one, I'm heavy. I come down on schoolwork and things like that. Right. Mom's his best friend. So she came out to mom by that to be the therapist. Okay. This is something you kind of have to come out and share it with your parents.

And it took a couple of months after that before she actually came out to me. Uh-huh. And the mother didn't tell you. No, and the mother still won't talk to me about any of the stuff. How come? She knows that you know? Yes, she knows that I know. But it's, you know, if it wasn't for the kids, that was the biggest mistake.

of my life. Oh, you guys don't get along. No, we don't. Oh, okay. So it has nothing to do with, like, what the daughter's going through or whatever. It's just that you and her don't communicate very well with each other. Right. Okay. So we're supposed to do joint custody and all of a sudden, joint decisions on things and stuff like that. So when, about eight months ago, the X went ahead and allowed the eldest to go on hormones. And, you know, my biggest concern was and I'm reading and I'm trying to catch up and a lot of people that are transgender knew at an early age

and things old those lines but I just really wanted to wait until she was old enough to make a good decision and talked to her a little bit I recommended that she needs to see a gender therapist

primarily because you need to understand what you're in for because life is going to be hard it would honestly be easier for you if you were a lesbian but you know I'm not judging or anything along those lines and she was, I know it would be easier.

But she definitely says that she's a boy in the girl's body and needs to go forward with that. But your wife didn't tell you about the starting of hormones? Like that wasn't, you weren't in on that decision? No. That's fucked up. Because that's what I was going to say, like, it's kind of like whatever you guys don't have, like good communication with each other. But when something like this comes into play with a child, right, and it's both of your child equally, right?

That it's like it's pretty bad if you're not communicating because the fact that you were left out of that major thing that was going to take place, right? Is pretty fucked up? It's fair. It's unfair for you as the father. So, you know, but she was also 17 when it started. All she had to do really is wait one more year.

Mm-hmm. And do I come down as the heavy and risk potentially a long-term relationship? I know she's he is now you know in a fragile state about all this stuff do I want to antagonize that so I'm walking on eggshells too because I don't know what the wrong thing is to say to put her back in the psychiatric hostel or something so right right right right yeah puts you in a weird but that also puts you in a worse position and the only person that's doing the wrong thing is your ex-wife not your daughter I mean that you know this is like sort of her life but you guys and the way you guys deal with it is important right and you would think something like this would bring you guys together, right? And there would be open communication with the fact that she still can't put her shit aside and can't talk to you about it. It's just ridiculous.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Don't you think? I do. And I've been nothing but gracious. She married, her second marriage was a violent drunk. And I got full custody of the kids during that period of time. Oh, wow.

You know, I understand a bad decision. And that's what it was. It was a bad decision. I think she still feels guilty about this and I'm the enemy for taking what I had to do. And maybe that's why she's taking the best friend's stand. So, you know, like to make up for that what happened because she feels guilty. Let me ask you this with your daughter. Like, I mean, besides like when she started cutting and stuff, like, did you see signs of any of this?

Like when she was growing up now looking back? Like, do things make sense that didn't make sense? Or was there like absolutely no sign of this? I didn't see it, but she kept her hair short, and she says that was a sign, Dad, you know, and I mean, I didn't see that. She was somewhat of a tomboy. Uh-huh. You know, she didn't play with dolls or anything like that, but she didn't play sports either. I don't know if that's stereotypical or genetic or what have you when you have those types of things.

I'm still trying to figure that part of myself. Yeah. But, you know, none of those type of signs is just kind of neutral. Mm-hmm. Didn't go one way or the other, but, you know, she brushed her hair. She had long, long hair for a while, and she got it. So, you know, there was a few things that was, I guess, looking back, might make me come to that conclusion, but there was no neon sign sledgehammer over the head. It's just, duh.

Right, like, because, like, you hear, like, little kids, like, changing their name to a boy's name, you know, like, much more, like, sort of, like, signs, like you said, that, but those weren't there. Those things that you bring up could be, you just be a tomboy. You know what I mean? I don't think any of those would make a parent think that that was something that was coming on. And then like the poor kid to be like cutting herself and going through all this, not realizing what's going down, you know. She must be much happier right now that she figured it out. She is.

You know, I just signed the papers to allow her to change her name. Uh-huh. And she tried shaving for the first time or he. and just got all these brazier bumps and everything else. So I taught her how to shave. Uh-huh. Which is, you know, that was, I guess, a milestone for this whole process. Yeah.

I was going to be like, oh, tell her to get it laser off, but then I'm like, duh, she's turning into a guy. She wants the hair, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it is. How do your other kids feel about it? They're fine. I mean, like I said, I have the other kids.

are in middle school, and, you know, they're telling me, well, this my best friend is a lesbian, and this one doesn't identify with any particular gender, and this is all happening right now. So they are all into this and understand it. Yeah, that's awesome. Even at their age. That's awesome. Yeah. So, and I've been the sex talk parent as well.

Uh-huh. So, and I have taken, since I've done all my learning and things like that, I'm more sex-positive, especially with my girl, a youngest. Just, you know what? It's, you know, just the, I did a lot of research and found out the right way to approach it, without coming off.

And being a dad, coming from a dad. Yeah. It's very awkward, but I needed to do it because I know mom wasn't going to do it. No, the best friend. You would think that that's the easy thing to do if you're like the best friend parent, no? Oh, no.

She had all kinds of taboos around sex while we were married. There was nothing. Oh, right. I forgot she, it was a sexless. But she, even with her kid, she just sort of, like, not open-minded about her or doesn't know how to sort of discuss it. Yeah, because I asked them out right. Hey, have you talked to your mother about this stuff?

Have you talked to your mother about this stuff? Right. No, we haven't. So you do all that. Right. And now does your daughter that's turning, you know, the transgender daughters, does she really, like, she lives with you, right? She very.

No, she lives with friend. she lives with her friend oh her mom oh okay oh okay right her best friend right okay but she's honest now

with everything that's going on how deep into the hormones has she been like when she just started like is she fully there yet like she did have been doing it for the past year just a couple months

or just started uh six months six and a half months now so and do you see personality changes like but do you see personality changes to at all?

I do. Like you mentioned, she's definitely happier. I'm going to start saying he now. He's definitely happier. Right. And we have good conversations. You know, we talk about his girlfriends and actually had how far they've gone and, you know, those types of conversations.

And, well, thank God I don't have to worry about you getting somebody pregnant. Right. Right. There's that part of it. But we joke about it. So she feels comfortable talking about those types of things now. And, you know, just have good conversations. I'm just trying to go with it.

But I don't feel like I'm walking on eggshells anymore, which I did for, like, years before this all happened. Because of how depressed and stuff she was. Right. So there's a level of confidence now that's there. You know, she's lonely because a lot of friends at school. I don't know how to address this and things like that. But she's making do or you make a do.

He's got a girlfriend. Excuse me. It goes to a different school. So that looks out. That's great. I mean, great for him. Because, you know, I read this, like, really fascinating article, and it was, like, it was so telling about men and women because this was about, they sort of studied

transgender people who have gone through the hormones, right? To see how they felt and thought and experienced life as a male and as a female, right? Because they're the only ones that could really know, right? Like, I'm a woman, and I know how I feel. and what my hormones do to me and you're a guy and you know how you think and you know men and women are always looking at each other like we're fucking aliens right like that men are for mars women for it like because we are very different you know and it does come down to hormones and this article talked about how when the females became males and the males became females like how they're thinking and how they

thought and how they wanted to speak and how they process things were very different and I really think like you know the the females that became males like they really realized that they really realized that they're thinking was more like a guy, right? Like I think men look at women and think, oh, we're like, we talk so much and we think so much and we're so emotional. And it's just like, that's like the hormones. Like when the men had turned into females, they found like they, those things happened to them. And they became that way, right?

When they became women. And it was, like I said, hormonal. And same with the women that became men. They started to think differently. They were more direct. They were more to the point. You know, it was like they were less like, women and it's just fascinating, you know.

I think it's easier to be a guy in some ways. Well, I know. And, you know, it's funny because I was listening to a podcast not too long ago with Buck Angel. Uh-huh. And he went into the whole transition and the hormones and everything that happened to him and, you know, talking about lack of medical care and things like that for the trans community. But he really went into great depth about the hormones and what he learned about it. and how he's working with some other kids

or younger people that are going through that type of stuff and what to expect. So that was kind of eye opening too, but you're absolutely right. It does. Once those hormones start, that's kind of like the key to a lot. There's still that X, Y, chromosome thing

that you have to get over, but the hormones override that or trump that. Unfortunately, it's a lifelong thing you've got to keep doing, though. Right. And now she can't get, like, can she get a penis? Like, what does that whole, how does that work? And did she get a breast reduction? No, we haven't done any of that.

Will she or will he? Like, is that what he's interested in doing down the line? He wants to do top surgery. And how I came across Buck Angel was because he told me about him. Right. And kind of idolized what he was doing. And, you know, Buck in that same podcast was saying, and this is something that I'm going to talk about.

But my son here when I see him again. was that bottom surgery is just not there yet. Right. You know, there are too many horror stories, and if you go down that path, yeah, you'll have a penis, but he would lose his orgasm. And he doesn't want to, you know, that's the trade-off. So, and, you know, he's 55 now.

He's not going to go ahead and make that decision. He already made his career. As, you know, he had the top surgery, but not doing anything on the bottom, and he's had too many horror stories from people that have not bottom surgery. That he would never risk it. Right. Yeah, and I think my son has heard that, and he said that he doesn't want to have bottom surgery at this point anyway, but definitely wants to have top surgery.

I just Google Buck Angel while we're talking, because I didn't know who this person was. I cannot believe what a dude this guy looks like, right? I mean, could you believe? You would never know. Never would you know if you met this guy that he was ever a female, right? Right. And it's funny because... He looks like an MMA fighter, you know what I mean?

He's like, yeah. But he went in and started taking the hormones and automatically became kind of like the genetic guy, meaning that his family traits of being bald and, you know, growing massive amounts of body hair, things on those lines. They all started happening. Right.

So. The hormones really change things and they change your body as well, right? Like the things like him getting an actual penis can't happen. and they're not there yet. I think for the reverse, they could do it, right? If it's a guy transitioning to a woman, I think that there's more options, right? I'm assuming.

Yes. But for the female to the male, there's not. And I'm sure your son knows that, right? Because he has looked into it. But you discuss these things with him. I think that that's great, that you have open communication like that. And you're cool with it.

Well, you know, I wasn't cool with it in the beginning, but I have a choice. I either continue to have a relationship with my kid whom I love dearly or I don't. And I'm just not that type of person. Right. Was it just, was it sort of like, you know, I'm a parent, right? I have a son now. And I just like is it because like as like, you know, what's, because listen, we all

feel for the person who's transitioning, right? But like there's the other person in the situation is the parent, right? And they are going to have emotions and feelings about it. Right. And as a parent, before you accepted it, like for you, was it kind of like, you, was it kind of a loss, did it feel that way? Because, like, here you had this daughter and, like, sort of her wanting to be somebody else's, like, a loss of, like, who you knew and loved up into that point. Like, how did it affect you? Absolutely. I mean, I had the big old fantasy of walking

my oldest down the aisle, you know, flowers and dresses and things on those lines, and that's gone. Right. I mean, I still have another daughter, but the first child is, you know, that's the one you kind of focus on. Right. So that part was hard of it, you know, and it was hard. And even going down the path of, you know, I'm an engineer by trade and the whole black and white nature, but the chromosomes, X, Y chromosomes, come on, you can't overcome this. And once I started giving in to my OCD and study him and learning, I found out, well,

yeah, I guess you can. So, you know, it was a journey. It was a journey for me. Yeah. But in the beginning, it was very hard. Right. But that's very honest. and that's, I think, more real life, right?

I think, but you're not even a year. Like, how long did it, do you think it took you to actually, like, really accept it and get to the point where you're talking about it like you are now? So this whole thing started about three years ago that he came out and sang his trans. And it took me about a year, well, maybe six months to get over the loss. Uh-huh. And then I kind of dove into the learning and trying to understand. And, you know, I've learned a lot of dove into a lot of different subjects.

I felt comfortable about, you know, swinging and sexuality and all the sort of stuff. But this trans stuff was probably the hardest thing for me to fully let my head around. Right. So, but I'm saying he a lot and saying his first name. that's now different than the one we gave them. Yeah. That has happened the last probably six months. Mm-hmm.

So it's still a process. Yeah. And now did you decide, like, I mean, because you had to tell, it's not like you're just, he told you, and then, you know, you told the rest of the kids in the family, but, like, what about, like, other family members, right? Like, I mean, did everyone have to go through sort of a time of accepting? because, you know, there's grandparents

and there's aunts and uncles and, like, did you sit everybody down? Like, how did that all go down? And I'm just asking these questions because I think it's just for other people in case they're going through it, right? Or, you know, just to sort of learn how it really happens and what really goes down, you know?

For the parents and the other people involved. And that's an excellent point because we had a couple of reality moments where, you know, I made sure that He knew he's still part of the family. I mean, he has a gay cousin. My sister has a son who's gay. So it's not totally foreign to the family that there's this stuff,

but this one's very drastic. And we always go on family vacations every year ago. We go to the same. And we all go together. And he kept finding excuses not to go for the last two years. And his last one, because I had family come down here for an event. Yeah. And he ended up leaving and a huff.

I'm like, what's going on? Well, they wouldn't use the right pronoun. Now, all right, here's the thing. It's time to be real. If you're going to be doing this, you're a transgender. It's your responsibility to challenge them and tell them to use the right pronouns. Right. These people have known you your entire life as a girl.

Right. You cannot expect them to start saying he and all this other stuff just because you posted something on Facebook because you really never sat down and talked to anybody. Right. But that was the move. He felt that once put it out on Facebook, everybody should know. Oh, my God. That's so their generation, right?

They live their whole life through social media. That's the way they communicate. That's it, right? Yeah, exactly. So did he eventually sit everybody down and have a conversation with them? Did that ever happen? Not everybody, because we still haven't gone down to the vacation, but, you know, he definitely apologized to the grandparents

and had a good conversation with my mom and my mom. you know she's still really judgmental she doesn't want to ruin the relationship but she is who she is and she'll try to dig and say why you really want to do this once you try and do this and try and do that to try and talk them out of it even now so you know he understands he's got to deal with that part of her personality but you know he gets along fun with the cousins and the cousins used right pronouns it's the uncles and aunts that are going to have to struggle with it still right and the grandparents, they're from a very crazy generation, right? They're even

before us and those people are really fucked up. Yeah. You know, and they just grew up in a time that was very different, you know? So it's just like, it's, it's common, I think, that someone in their generation might not really accept it,

but at least they're not choosing to not talk or, you know, I mean, they still have a relationship with your son, right? Yeah. Right. Yeah, but we're a long distance. All my family is about a thousand miles away from her. We live.

Right. So it's not like he has to experience them or be around them and feel uncomfortable all that often. Right. That's cool. I think that that's great. I mean, you sound like you're in like a good place, don't you think? I hope so. It's just everything's starting to happen all at once. You mean, with, experiencing a lot of stuff at age 51, you know, it's just. Yeah, but you know, I really believe. Like as long as you're alive, like you could change and grow and do new things. Like I love people that decide to go back to school. Like you could do anything at any time.

I hate that people, so many people think sort of like you get to a certain age and this is all you could do because you're the same. Right. And it's like this, my life has to stay the same because I'm older and there is no change. But like that's not the truth. Like I think you could do. And as long as you're alive, like you have these opportunities to completely change things up and try things that you always. wanted to do whatever. Like if you live till you're 80 or 30 years now to experience, you know, sex with guys.

And then maybe you could swing with your next partner and you could try all these things that you always wanted to. And why not? You know, you only live once, right? So I think that as long as you are alive, you have that it's good to change and to grow, you know, especially for the better. I think for you it's for the better. Well, I also want to put a plug in for you, too, but there was a couple of podcasts.

I think one of them was with your former co-host you're talking about. I basically had his penis cut off after his divorce. Yeah, the checklist. Yeah. You know, there were lots of truth tickles. With that conversation, what I had gone through, that I probably fully hadn't really dealt with either. Right. From my second marriage, and that was five years ago.

So, you know, that part was helpful. and I think there was another woman that you spoke with that lost a lot of weight. Oh, I love. Yeah, uh-huh. Well, I'm a guy. Of course, I get zero right in on when I see that.

Right, of course. It was one of the first one. That's one of the most popular. Yeah, that's the one that's the most listened to, trust me. Uh-huh. But you got something out of that one as well? Well, just the conversation when you started getting deep as to,

look, you know, you've gone through all these changes where she's taken the initiative to leave all this way and going down the path to letting a freak flag fly and not really letting their husband go where when she should have and things on those lines. But the real conversation about how she took ownership of her sex and sexuality

and that just getting in shape makes such a huge change on it, that kind of struck the core with me too. So I've been feeling a lot better since I've been exercising as well. I haven't really felt the need to do that when I wasn't dating. So that helped a great deal too. Yeah, definitely.

That was one of my most, that was like one of my most favorite episodes because there was three. She wound up calling in three times and like the first one was like the hottest one, right? It was all about this woman who like had this big gang bang and then she wanted to do a part two. People were like emailing me like crazy. Like please get her back on. And I got her back on and I remember like for me, I love talking about the emotional stuff

too, right? I'm not just like sitting here trying to listen to. like dirty stories and I sometimes think I cock block that stuff because I'm like asking other questions but the second one what took like such this different turn right because it became about this whole other thing with her relationship with her husband and stuff and I felt like oh I hope like my listeners don't you know get mad right because they just wanted more of that other stuff but I got so many emails like they actually really loved it even more you know because it was like this whole other angle to the stuff that's going down you know and going on and that's what I like

my podcast to be about, like all of that stuff, you know? Absolutely. And so I think it's great that you listen to them and you learn that. And it does sound like, like, I think it's great. Like, this is such a pivotal time in your life. It's great that you're 51 and it's even more interesting to me that you're 51 and you're doing it. I think that that takes balls.

And I think, and I give anyone credit that was once a dickless divorcee that is, got there, dig back. You know what I mean? Because it just shows that you can. can. You don't have to go and be, you know, bitter forever. It's harder when you get older, right? I'm an older person. I know, you know, things are harder. It's like a conscious decision when you wake up every day to, you know, not be bitter and not carry your baggage on and not be all these things, right? Because life happens and life is unfair and you know what I mean? It's like, shit goes down. And I understand why people

become dickless or divorces or women become better. But like, you really have to work hard to you know, let go of that stuff or work through it because you have the rest of your life to live and you don't want to live that way. Life's too short, you know? And you're a testament to, you can come out of that, right? It took you five years, but that's real life. It's not the fucking movies. I say that all the time, right? It's not like you just get out and you change in one day. Shit takes time, you know, but it does sound like you're in a great place. It sounds like your kids in a great place. I'm really happy for your son, right? I think this, you know, and I'm happy that you finally got to the place that you're more accepted.

And I think that probably helped you come to terms with your thing too in a weird way, right? Because, you know, Al, do you have the courage to sort of face parts of yourself and take the plunge and experience them, right? Right. You start your child do it. Right. If I didn't do to dive in, I probably wouldn't have, I would have still been in the same place if I didn't really, you know, truly understand that. you know, sexuality, my own sexuality, and just not being restricted and being open and trying new things and stuff like that, that definitely has made a big difference. Yeah, you're coming into your own. It's like a rebirth. I think it's like awesome. I'm very curious to be like to see where you'll be at the end of this year. My prediction is you're still just like, you know, out there dating multiple people not in a relationship. And I think that that would be the best thing for you. Because I think it's time for you to have fun and see lots of guys and, you know, sort of and keep seeing your stripper girlfriend or whatever. You know what I mean? And just have a good time, you know?

Well, that's my goal. And figure out what you like and what you don't like and where you're at and, you know, your gender neutral situation. Yeah. But anyway, thanks so much for calling in and it's sharing everything. And I look forward to checking in with you later this year and finding out what's going down. My pleasure, Kathy, and I'll keep listening to your podcast as well. I love them.

Awesome. Thanks so much for tuning in and keep me posted. We'll do. Bye, Steve. Bye. Bye. Okay. you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of

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stories, 17 of them. They're really short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two, and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format, and finally, the audiobook is available coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint, okay? There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay, I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other. And that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of

contests where you can win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total, strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private, like I said. All you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the ebook, or the paperback. Send it to me at Strictly Anonymous podcast at gmail.com. That's strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com. And I will send you the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in. This is the Strictly Anonymous podcast. Do you have a story, lifestyle, or situation you can't talk about to anyone, to anyone?

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