Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 245 - Married Erick is into Dick on the Side

Episode Date: August 20, 2018

Erick is married but he’s always been into “dick” as far as back as he can remember. When did he first start hooking up with guys? What exactly does he like to do with guys? Does his wife know that he hooks up with guys? Tune in to find out plus hear all about his anonymous hookups with guys he met on Craigslist, the threesomehe has with a tantric masseuse and another guy plus the threesome he had with his wife and the same tantric masseuse and a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Here is your host, Kathy. Hey, welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast with Kathy. If you want to follow the Strictly Anonymous podcast on Instagram or Twitter, follow the show at Strict Anonymous. If you want to be on the show, this is a call an advice show where I give total strangers my unprofessional advice if you have a problem or a secret life that you want to discuss. You could either send me an email at Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com or go to

strictly anonymouspodcast.com and click on be on the show. There's a Reddit page that I always forget to advertise. I need to put it on my website and all over the place because these guys that were on my show set it up and it's a place where people could go and talk to other people about the topics and a lot of times because I've just looked on the other day. Guests who just spoke will actually talk back to you. So if you want to ask someone that I just had on the show some questions, you can do that because they typically go there to sort of check out the action or what people are saying about the show. so you could check out that Reddit page.

It's like Strictly Anonymous, podcast, Reddit. Google that shit and you'll find it. I think it's talk strictly anonymous or something. Kathy Kay, I don't know. You'll find it. I'm going to put it in this description today. So you could go there. Today I have on a guy named Eric.

Eric is a guy who wrote in and said that he likes to blow guys. I thought it was like a secret life blowing guys things, but it turns out like his wife kind of knows. And to get the exact sort of situation that they have, you got to listen to the whole thing. And that's what's so interesting about doing my show. Like, I can talk to a million people. And it might sound like the topic is the same. Like, oh, there's another guy that blows someone.

Maybe he has an open relationship. But it's so different because it's specific, right? Because, like, their arrangement between him and his wife is very different than any other arrangement I've ever heard about. So we talk all about his first hookups with guys, what he likes to do with guys. We talk about whether he thinks he's bisexual or not, considering what he does with guys. I have that conversation with him, which I've had with other guys.

And we also talk about some stuff that him and his wife got into, some kinky stuff that him and his wife got into that also led to like a major threesome he had with another guy and a tantric masseuse. That's the story we build up to. But we also argue a couple of times in this podcast. And I was curious, like, what the arguing was all about, like, after the fact, because I was like, maybe I was just PMSing and was just being rude or I don't know. And I think it's, or maybe he was just being defensive because that's what I call him out on.

I think it's a little of both. I think there's a couple times where he just gets defensive. And I think when he listens back, he'll see that he was totally wrong. And then there's one time where I felt like I was a little rude and I was like, oh, maybe I was PMSing. I don't know. But you're going to have to listen to all that too. I think that you'll find that interesting as well. Besides his story and the shit that he does.

So anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Eric. How are you doing today? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. You know, I wasn't stuck in traffic before. Whenever I'm driving in traffic, I make phone calls. And I was talking to a friend, and he was like, oh, you have any good podcast lately? And I'm like, you know, it's the same old thing.

I have like, just take your pick. Like every fucking episode is great, right? But I'm like, the two things I've learned that are the most common. things through doing my show, which I never knew before, was that one, so many guys are blowing guys behind their wives back. And two, like so many couples are fucking other people like together, you know? And it just makes me look at people so different, right? But it's like a very common thing. And you fall into that first category, right? You're a guy who has a secret life, right? Or like, in your regular life, you're married, you're a heterosexual guy, but in your

secret life you're totally bisexual right would you say that correct i think that's fair yeah i mean i've had guys on here that have it dicks in their ass and they don't think that they're bi like you know i mean everyone think you know everyone i mean i don't know so okay so you know like you're by and like you said in the email to me because you gave me a little backstory that like you were thinking of god like sucking dicks since you were like really little like it was something that you knew early on that it was something that you were into and eventually when you were pretty young like you were still in your early 20s right that you had your first guy on guy experience is that correct right correct yes so why don't we start there because I know that like and then what happened you had a couple sort of I'll

give the gist of it and then you'll get into the details right then you had a sort like a couple hookups right with guys and I'm assuming and we'll talk about it that it was like really great but you got married and it got busy with that and you didn't have any guy guy action for a while and then you recently started up a couple years ago and have some like crazy stories there right so how did it start that like so when was your first memory that you realized that you like you were into guys like do you remember that like how young you were just not that it matters but i wouldn't necessarily say i'm into guys as much as i enjoy penis well come on see this is where okay i'm sorry okay i have to just yeah i know i have to speak for everybody's no desire to have a relationship with a man

I know. I can, you know, I can judge if a man is attractive or not, but there's no desire to be with the man physically. You know, the only part of them that I'm into is genitals. Right. Okay. Right. So, but if that's the only real part that has to do with, like, sex, right? Like, it's not like, right?

If you were, like, a bisexual girl, the girl would be saying, like, I'm just into the tits and her, you know, vagina. Like, that's it, right? But like, you know, when I say, and I've had this conversation a million times, right? I say this all the time and people are going to hear me reiterating it. But like I think, and it's so interesting. Like so many guys like have this weird sort of thing with it. And if I was a gay guy, I find it insulting because I feel like so many by guys are so afraid that being into guys or someone saying that or them thinking that like means that they're gay as if being gay is like so bad. First of all, it doesn't mean that you're gay.

I'm not saying, but when I say you're into guys, I mean you're into guys just sexually. Like, you are. Like, that's for real, right? Like, yes, I don't think that that means, just because you like to suck dick does not mean you want to be in a relationship with a guy. It does not mean you're holding hands with him at the movie

or you want to be romantically involved. Just like it doesn't mean, like, the girl who's bi, who's biosexual wants to do the same thing. Bisexual and homosexual are two very different things. But wouldn't you consider yourself, buy? No. And just not that I want to spend the hour debating this. No, but we'll debate it. But if there just happened to be a transsexual woman who happens to have a penis, I'd be with the woman, but I wouldn't have the desire to have the relationship with the man because the penis

is now provided to me. I don't get that. You know what I mean? No, no, not really. Explain it again it again so I could like really grasp it. Say that again. So you got a transgender man. What was he before? just like a woman that has a dick or a guy that turned into a woman. Okay. Okay, a man who has turned into a woman. Yeah, okay. Looks like a woman has the breast implants and whatnot. Yeah. Yeah.

On the surface, it looks as if I'm with a woman. Yeah. Reality being under the pants, they have a penis. Mm-hmm. My desire to go and find a man is now nullified because I'm satisfied at home with the penis that's provided by the woman who just so happens to have one. Right. Right.

But you're not missing her pussy. Right. But in that case, you're by. In that case, you're by. You got the best of both worlds. I'm not challenging the fact that I'm by. Right. That's all I said.

That's all I said. That's all I said. So you say you're like, no. No, no. I would identify as bisexual. Absolutely. But I have no, I don't find men attractive. I have no desire to be in a relationship with someone who identifies.

That's exactly what I just said. Wait till you listen back to this. I'm just looking for the dick. Yeah, wait till you listen back to this. You're going to realize that you didn't hear a word I said because that's exactly what I said. I do not think it has, just because you want to suck a dick, it has nothing to do with being in a relationship. They are completely different things. And I said, so I just think you're bisexual.

Then you said no. But let's, I don't want to get in an argument. Like, I want to hear your good stories. But I just find you fascinating. One day I am going to have a psychologist on so we could discuss why. Listen, you're not the first person, okay, that has gone down this long-winded people. half with me. It literally, I have to say.

Absolutely, I'd be into listening to it. You should. Listen to all the ones of the guys that like to suck dick. They're all like you. It's the same thing. And you'll hear my same rap in every, and it's like this, that's just why I bring it up because it, I find it like I said. And you'll have to listen to this back, right, to follow it better, I think.

And you'll hear more. Yeah, all I'm saying is. I know, you're not gay. I know, but you're by. That's all I was saying. That's the number one. Yeah, but that's the number one. one part of my issues.

Right. I don't even think there's an issue. There's no issue. So back on track. Now, my issues myself. So back, the initial email I sent you know, in the backstory, of course, as I listen to the podcast, the ones that interest me, you know, some of them aren't for everyone, so you can understand that. But I'm always trying to find one with someone who's like me. Yeah, those are the ones I discuss this shit. Okay. Yeah. So my situation, as I said, always been interesting. in blowing someone.

You know, ever since maybe early teens, it's been something, never had the desire to act on it. You know, late teens, early 20s, you start having the girlfriend, she start exploring sexually and so on. And you figure, fuck it, you only live once, right? We've got to do everything that we want to do. Yeah. So I'd say early 20s met someone on, you know,

maybe going back even further, maybe early, sorry, late teens, early 20s. I'd start looking around on Craigslist, you know, reading the ad, seeing that there's other people who are like that. Right. After a few years, muster up the nerve to email someone, arrange a meetup. And I was, you know, obviously very clear, first-timer and looking to see where things go, wanted to keep it at just jerking someone off. Went to the gentleman's place and, you know, he's raring to go, you know, already pantless. hard on and so on.

And the whole event lasted all of maybe four seconds. You know, it was barely worth my time showing up. So the first experience, at least a poor taste in you about. Right. For you. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, another couple of months go by, maybe a year at the most.

Finally make arrangements to meet up with someone. Once again, found on Craigslist. They posted an ad. I think two months prior to them coming to town on business. So that was perfect. You know, my fears have always been. I'm going to know this person. I'm going to run into them on the streets afterwards.

We're going to have mutual friends, you know, maybe professionally we would cross paths. I have such that fear of running into the person. The fact that this individual was coming in from out of town was fantastic. Right. You know, that number one fear is gone. Yeah, so you could just have fun without worrying at all. Absolutely. Yeah.

You head over to the hotel. You know, you have a good time. Mm-hmm. So same deal, went over to the hotel, maybe spoke 30 seconds at the most, you know, that awkward exchange of pleasantries and whatnot. And then he finally got up and very businesslike, you know, took the pants off and whatnot and sat back down on the couch beside me and the mutual hand jobs led to the mutual blow jobs and then, you know, check that one off the list.

Right. You know what I mean? Mission accomplished. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. So still not exactly what I had been looking for. You know, it would have been nice to have a, I don't know, I don't know how to properly. It seemed more business transaction-like than it was an erotic encounter. You know what I mean?

Yeah, uh-huh. Totally. Like, it was right. Like, the difference between picking up somebody. No, but it's like the difference between somebody picking up, like, paying for a hooker or like a guy meeting a hot girl in a bar and going home and they like go at it, right? Like there's a difference between the sex, right? Probably.

Like, it might be so transaction a more. Yeah. You know, maybe it's the difference between maybe I was a difference between, maybe I was a expecting, you know, the steakhouse with the walk to the table and the fancy napkins and the whole experience, whereas we were stuck with the vending machine. You know, like the end game was the same. We ate. But everything surrounding it with.

So it sounds like you were a little disappointed the second time, too. Yeah, we'll say we're 0 for two. Yeah. You know, we're half for two. But at the same time, it makes you realize what you're actually looking for and what you like and don't like. Right. It was helping you realize those things.

Uh-huh. Exactly. So, but I knew it needed to be done soon. You know, I was single at the time, just got out of a fairly long-term relationship, you know, with that high school sweetheart type of a deal. Mm-hmm. So I was pretty quick to get back on her. And within a week, boom, we got the same thing. We got the out-of-town traveler going to be in town.

Who's we? But you keep saying we. Why aren't you saying I? I have no idea. Yeah, it's interesting. Is it a problem? No, it's not. It's interesting.

I analyze everything, sorry to say, but you're saying we. And it's like, you talk like you're talking. I don't know. I'll have a better sense of it after talking you for an hour. But go on. So you got, you found another guy, right? We're going to get off topic here. But have you seen that Unabomber special on Netflix?

No, uh-uh, why? Does he say we too? Because they track him down. Yeah. So it goes back and they track him down because the letter, the wording in his manifesto. It had kind of like a regional dialect that he was writing in. So they tracked down his background based upon how he spoke. Yeah, yeah, totally.

So now you're going to get Googling what areas use we instead of I to narrow down my location. Well, that's so funny that you just said that you just gave me something that I would have never even thought of that there's a dialect that uses we instead of I. I thought you had some, it was some psychological thing. That's how stupid I am. I don't even know. I'm thinking it's psychological. I don't care where you're from. This is the thing.

I love the story, and I love to, like, dig into people, but do I care, like, where you're from? Those things I don't care about. No, I just think it's a little bit interesting when you're talking about yourself, but instead of saying I, you're saying we.

There might be something there. I don't know. I didn't know that there's, like, a place where people live an island where they say we instead of I. So, but let's move on with the story. Don't tell me. I don't care.

This is the podcast diagnosis of having multiple personalities, I got the straight regular me. There might be some other shit going on. I already sense it already, but let's get to the stuff that we decided we were going to talk about first, but there might be other things that come up. I can't help but notice what I notice. Okay, so go. Fair enough. Keep noticing.

I'm having a good time here. Okay, cool. So anyways, as luck would have it, I have luck again. Another post on Craigslist with a gentleman coming to town in a couple of months on business. So this time, you know, really took the time to write out the email. You know, outlined the two previous failures. It was incredibly specific on the setting I was looking for, which was pretty much like, let's keep this as anonymous as possible.

You know, I'll be more than happy to show up at the hotel and get right down to it. You know, sit on the couch. I'll come in. Let me take my time, taking the pants off, and really savoring the moment. I don't want anything done to me. Let me just go go bonkers. And sure enough, fantastic. You know, the time comes, I walk down the hallway of the hotel when the doors already

opens, you know, the little door bars cranked open there to keep it ajar. And sure enough, sitting on the couch and walked in and right down to it. And couldn't have gone any better. Oh, awesome. So you just need to be really specific. Yeah, perfect. Yeah. So, you know, the first two failures were nullified by the success of lucky number three.

Yeah, totally. And then a part of me thinking, you know what, I want to go out on a high note. You know, there's no point in really furthering this any further. You know, it can't get any better than the experience we had. Why relive the disappointment. It's checked off the bucket list. Everything's A-okay. Right.

So here comes that long gap, you know, life goes on. you need someone, you get married. Everything's going well professionally. You get to a new level. But as, you know, when you say other things at hands, my wife and I couldn't have a better relationship. You know, on all accounts and physically included. You know, but we both recognize the fact that, as I said earlier,

she doesn't have a dick. And at the same time, I don't have a vagina. Right. So that's recognized. We understand it. So we have that, you know, I hate to say an open relationship. Well, this is where your wee gets a little confusing to me. So she knows that you're into guys, I'm assuming, because that's the way you're talking.

How about I describe it as a non-discussed understanding? Okay. So you think she knows? Not really. I would like more specifics, but like you think that she kind of knows, but you've never really told her? She knows for sure. Oh, she knows for sure. Correct.

Okay. But she knows for sure, but we don't get into the details or when it would happen. Okay. You know, we both travel for work. We frequently go extended periods of time without seeing one another. You know, if you're going two, three months at a time, we understand things are going to happen. It just needs to happen with someone who doesn't have the same genitals of us. Right.

Okay. So she's got to be with a woman. You've got to be with a guy. And that's what you guys have come to, like you guys made that deal together. That's pretty awesome that you're able to have that with your wife. As I said, I couldn't, I can't complain about the relationship that we have. Yeah, you're lucky because it's not like you're living a secret life with her. I said that in the beginning, but that's not true.

She knows that you're with guys. She just doesn't know the specifics. You don't tell every time, right? But like, she knows that that's what you're into. Like, I'll put it to you this way. If I know, if she knows that I'm away for a week, right? I'm out of town for the week. Something could happen.

She understands it if it does happen, it's with someone, it is with a man. But I'm not going to come home and say, holy shit, you'll never guess what happened. You know, I won't get into the details or even say that it happens. Right. You know, when same goes. I'm not going to question her when she goes away.

And we don't ask either, which I think is even better. Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, and that works for you. I think that that's great. Yeah, and the way I see it is in 20 years when we're sick of each other, we have 30 years worth of stories that we can. Right, you could start bringing those into the table. You could be like, well, they could just like rejuvenate your whole sex life together.

Yeah, exactly. Because it does that just people, sometimes that, you know, people realize like these couples at a bit of my show that weren't with other people and then they do it. And they're like, just, you know, talking about it is like such a turn on. So like, yeah, you could, you know, pull that card when you need it. You guys don't even need it now because you have great sex. You're allowed to kind of do what you want on the side. So that's like you're lucky. So anyway, so go on.

And if it fizzles out, as I said, we still be living, you know, sharing the stories of days gone by. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so anyways, as I said, get married and whatnot. Things go on. We come to this realization. We both had some traumatic family-related issues that happened early in our relationship. So we both kind of adapted. You know, we had that conversation of we could die any day now.

Yeah. We could both be hit by buses on the way home. We want to go out on top. You know, we want to enjoy and do the things that we want to do now that we can do them. So we had that discussion early, you know, a couple of years into the relationship. But that's what opened up the door to that other encounter. Right. Yes.

So the one. Yeah. Okay. The other encounter meaning the, you haven't spoken about it yet. The one with the BDS, not like the one that you're going to get to that you alluded to me in the email you're talking about? correct okay yeah well just talk about it because we're gonna go so but start with like how like because you said that you guys got into bondage together right like that was yeah okay so you got to start there uh-huh exactly so in that period of time that we had that discussion of um you know live every day

to the fullest and do the crap we want to do that's when she expressed that interest of the on the bondage side of things wow were you like awesome like was that something that's something that you were into too kind of? It started with incredible baby steps. And, you know, of course, I would be into it. It would be silly not to be. Right. You know, but the baby steps with the blindfold and then the handcuffs and then the

full-on restraints and then the, you know, the hot wax gets into it and the flogger and whatnot. So, you know, you just keep pushing it. But as I said, the baby steps. You know, made it taking eight months to a year to build up to the stage we we're at now. Right. Okay, cool.

And so you, so for like eight months to a year, you guys did all these kind of baby steps, and then you were doing, like, full-on BDSM, and then you went out and found that woman that... Not so much full-on in the sense that we weren't in any lifestyle. You know, I listened to some other callers on your show, and they're going to conventions and on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, never to that level, but just enough to the point that we had the,

the Tupperware bid were those tours under the bed. Uh-huh, cool. Okay. Yeah, so no committed room, and it wasn't every time. You know, maybe once or twice a week we'd bring it out. Right, that's cool. So you guys were like into that and then you were having into that. So go on.

Correct. So somewhere along the line, let's say a year in or so, you start researching, right? You go on the internet. You're searching up for, you know, ways to spice it up and different things to do and different restraints and toys and techniques and whatnot. And it turns out there was some some woman in town who offered a tantric massage for couples.

So we decided to go for that. And that was enjoyable. Have you ever been to one of those? No. Uh-uh. It's worthwhile. What goes down? Oh, it's quite entertaining.

I mean, it's a group bath. all these fancy oils and salts and hypnotic music and then it's almost like a meditative hum and whatnot to get you in a relaxed state and the male version of it includes the edging massage and prostate stimulation but when you see a group how many people are there involved in this oh sorry three of us okay so the group is you your wife and the woman that is story. It's not like you're with other, right. It's not like you're with other couples. No, and it's almost like the splintering off. You know, she'll focus on me for a little bit. Well, my wife would be beside and then she'd switch over to my wife and leave me hanging.

You know, it's the whole experience. It was quite, quite enjoyable. So, but when you say she would focus on you and then focus on it, what is she actually doing? Is she like blowing you, going down on your wife, or is it more sort of subtle than that? Yeah, I don't know. nothing, just hand stimulation. Right, okay, cool. So she, you know, jerk me off to right to the point of no return and then leave and switch over to my wife and then, you know, massage her and finger her for a little bit and get

her up to the point and then jump back over to me. So it's a constant back and forth of up and downs. Right, right, right. You know, yeah, well, that was our setting anyways. I don't know if that's one of your entire. And how much did you pay for something like that? a reasonable amount that we were comfortable paying but no I'm just asking because people are like

did that cost you $200, $400, $400, $150? Like I mean Yeah no, over two but under under four So I think it was $275 or $280 or something along those lines Okay cool and how long did she give you for that Like was like an hour of like that kind of thing Or were you eventually did she eventually let you come Oh of course

Right Yeah of course Mm-hmm. So how long were you there for? How long was I there for? Like, I don't know why you feel so like, it's almost like you're very defensive. Like, you get, like, defensive by my questions. I'm just questioning you like people, like, I'm curious. Like, I'm not trying to, I'm not getting defensive whatsoever.

Okay. I'm not sort of grilling you like a cop for any reason. I'm just wondering for $250 how long you get with someone like that. Because it's transactional. I'm just wondering, like, how long that kind of. deal is was like it an hour or was it like to you know what I mean how long an hour and a half okay so an hour and a half for two seventy five and like so she went back and forth got you guys both to the point where you're about to come and then like then eventually she like finished you guys off

yes that's great listen if you're going to explain to my listeners right like because you were saying like it's a good thing like you know we I want to get all the details how much is a cost how long do you get like you know that kind of shit that stuff is interesting too okay oh my god understood but the more interesting part we have an hour dude okay we're at 20 minutes we could these little details are okay okay we have plenty of time go on get to the good point i didn't realize we have only been at this for 25 minutes it's only 24 minutes go on while we were at this uh this massage tantric massage hypnosis, nonsense. Yeah.

There's also a great encouragement for my wife and I to share the deepest sexual desires that we would have. Mm-hmm. Okay? Yeah. So that's when it was revealed about the whole mutually seeking to explore the bisexual side and discussing our past instances. Okay, cool.

That was the first time. So, yeah, if you want to edit it down to flow better. Right. We have the discussion about exploring the sexuality more. She wants to explore the BDSM side of things. After the eight months of getting there, we go to this tantric masseuse woman who kind of encourages us to share the deepest, darkest fantasies.

We both reveal the bisexual side. We make the agreement to go for it. Yeah. Sorry if it was all disheveled and out of whack there. I thought, I mean, I was, I've been going through it for the last few days, and I was more focused on the bisexual side of thing than the relationship with my spouse, that's all. Yeah, yeah, don't work. But I understand now it makes perfect sense because it all slows together.

Yeah, well, yeah, we're just, yeah, just, yeah, just let me go, like, yeah, just go with it. Do you know what I mean? You're a public speaker, so you're probably very used to having an agenda speaking a certain way. You know what I mean? It might be hard to give up, like, the talk so freely. Well, and that's where you could probably chalk up to you. you thinking that I'm being defensive or confrontational. It's one to get

in that history of speaking to idiots all day long and making sure that you understand the question and repeating what they say to them. Yeah, and you're like not used to this position. So anyway, so just going on. I'm not used to speaking with people who understand what I'm saying and I'm a complete moron. Right, right.

Don't worry about it. I'm not a moron. But we, you know, listen, I'm, I listen. No, that's exactly what I'm saying. You're not the moron. Yeah, and I'm like I said before, I'm curious, by nature. So I'm never asking because I don't have, I never like have a agenda of what I'm going to ask or like I don't do any pre thoughts about anything. Like I literally just ask what comes up into my mind. But I think that's what people like because I feel like if I'm thinking it probably other people are too, right? So like these little things that maybe you think sounds

stupid and I don't want to get back in it. But like I like I think some people want to know that kind of shit, you know? So anyway, so so you get to the point where she says that you guys say we're going to go for it, right? Yeah, exactly. We come to that mutual understanding that we're going to explore it. We're not going to talk about doing it because we're both very uncomfortable discussing it. Yeah. Uh-huh.

Yeah. Okay. So, in the meantime, I reach out to the, or sorry, the woman who performed the service, the massage service, sent an email to me, saying, if this is something you're serious about, you know, I may have something for you. Right. I had shared with her at the time my reluctance about, you know, meeting people that I know in the line of work I'm in. And, you know, I'm in contact with a lot of people.

So I don't want, the risk of being known is high. So she, you know, reassured it. It's a gentleman who comes in to visit her every couple of months or so on. He has the same idea only on the other side. He'd be willing to let me blow him. An anonymous set up, recreate the setting you had in the, you know, she didn't say recreate the setting you had in the whole. hotel, but I interpreted as this is my opportunity for me to recreate the setting I had in that hotel about seven, eight years prior.

Right. Let me ask me this. When she was arranging this, was it common knowledge that she would be there or she wouldn't be there? She was just going to, she was like the middleman hooking you guys up together, or was she going to be a part of it? She was going to be a part of it. Okay.

And the reason she was going to be a part of it is that, and I'm glad you asked the question, that the gentleman that she had arranged for this to happen with that came into town specifically to act as her slave. Okay. So they had a very serious Dom sub relationship. Right, totally. As I said, a weekend every couple of months he would come in and they'd commit to that lifestyle.

He was the sub around the house. She was the Dom for that weekend. Right, perfect. Okay. So this was part of his sub duties was to allow me to serve as him. Yeah, yeah, totally. That's interesting. You would think the sub is going to have the dick in his mouth, not you blowing him, right? Because you're going to blow him, not he's not going to blow you? Exactly. Okay.

Exactly. So, the day comes, I go over to this, to the woman's studio. We start off where I strip down and she starts with the, with the massage. How hot is this woman, though, by the way? How old is she? Like, what? does she look like? Is she have a hot body? Is she totally naked when this is all going down? I just want to paint the picture. To paint the picture of her, we're going to say late 30s, early 40s.

On the bigger side, but not so big. You know what I mean? She could lose 30 pounds, but it's not a deal breaker type of a deal. Dress completely in black from head to toe, black, I'm assuming, spandex pants, black shirt of some kinds, long sleeves, black and everything. Yeah. Long black hair, tied back in a ponytail, red lipstick. Like the whole picture of that whole serious, this woman's in charge type of a deal.

Right, totally. But when she's like fooling around, like when she was doing that stuff with you and your wife, does she get naked at all or does she keep her clothes on? Same deal. Keeps them on. Okay. Same deal. Yeah.

Okay. The exception being in the tub beforehand, there's kind of the, the bath beforehand with the three of us. Yeah. Naked in that, but then came out and got in a black house coat type thing. Right, right. Okay, cool. So she arranges this thing with this guy. Now, you don't tell your wife, right? Because you have this

don't ask, don't tell a situation, right? Correct. Okay. And keep in mind, also crucial to the story here is that this woman knows about my wife and I's bondage play and the role play that we're into. Yeah, yeah. So she knows that I can, you know, lean a little on the submissive side as well, hence the dick-sucking.

Right, right, right, right. Right. Yeah, because to me that's more sub, right, but yeah, you're right. Okay. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So, you know, she was okay with the setup. She understood how it wanted to be done, how I wanted to take my time, you know,

how I wanted to not be rushed through it, how I wanted to. not be rushed through it how I wanted to put all the focus on him. At the same time, being the type of woman that she isn't in the line of work she is, she kind of reserved the right to add her own little twist to it, if need be. Right.

And of course. Yeah. Yeah, she didn't want it to be that exact recreation of something, but to generate a whole new experience influenced by the original setting. Right. But kind of modernized. Yeah, she knows what you fucking like.

Why give you the same thing? Why not give you something even better, right? She's got all the information. Well, listen, she had an hour or so of listening, you know, to my wife and I's darkest, you know, what we've done and what we are looking to do. So you could trust that she's going to know what you're going to, like, she's going to give you a good time. We could argue that she knows me better sexually than my wife would at the time. Right. You know, or just as good.

Mm-hmm. you know, so she's going in there with the ace of her sleeve for sure. Yeah. And that's kind of where my email to you cut off saying, you know, this is the story that you're, that you'd be looking for. Right, like what goes down. We got the buildup to it and led to it. So, of course, it's the nerves racked up to high.

You know, it's something that you've been looking forward to doing. We're dealing with seven, eight years worth of anticipation. Yeah. So, you know, as I said, the day comes I'm stretched out on the table. She's doing the massage, the hand job, you know, building me up and so on. And then the door knocks. So the twist that she added to it was that instead of me going to him, he was coming here. Right.

You know, he was coming over exclusively for me to blow him. Right. So the woman had me get up, put on the blindfold, which was the, the extra step I wasn't anticipating. You know, we keep it incredibly anonymous if we can't see each other. Yeah, yeah, totally. But kind of had that blindfold on just enough that if I looked up, I couldn't make eye contact, but I still had a view of his dick in front of me.

Right. Okay, that's good. You know what I mean? Yeah, but kind of more up over the eyebrows than it was over the, over the eyes. Right. So I still had a view. Yeah. And then got me off the table. knelt me down and there he was, you know, standing right in front.

I had a perfect view of the belt buckle and the bulge and the jeans. And her twist to it was she was going to tell me what to do. Right. So before I even had the time to react, it was the instruction, you know, undo the belt, you know, pop off the first button, undo the zipper, pull them down. You know, and then it was the, you know, watch it, the bulge grow. So, you know, you're sitting here kneeling naked and you got some rather dominant woman who's holding your head in place forcing you to look at a guy's dick grow under his boxes. Right.

Fantastic. You know, she built on that anticipation that she already knew I was having. You know, believe me, I expressed it to her via emails how much I was looking forward to it. And, you know, it was the 10 minutes. of the slow taking your time on doing it and really enjoying it. Right. You know, so she instructed the whole way through, finally had me take him, take his cock out.

And, you know, at first it was give it a kiss, and then it was give it a lick and a suck, and it was constant, the constant discussions of what to do and when to do it and how to do it. And, you know, the positive reinforcement of you're doing it right and, you know, offering the tips, it was excellent. Right. I couldn't have asked for a better experience.

Right. And you were, like you said, in your life and, like, with your wife, right? Because you got into BDSM with her. You were typically the sub and your wife was the Dom, I'm assuming, because you said you were mostly more of a submissive. You know what? I would, I'd say it's the opposite. I say it was mostly, and it's the same deal. I get being the dominant out of the relationship with.

my wife. Oh, okay. 80% of the time, the dominant one at home, you know, she might, she may dominate, as I said, maybe 20% of the time. So it kind of filled that void, too. You know, ideally it would be great if it was 50-50. Right, because you did want to be both. I mean, I wonder, like, I don't know how it, I don't know that I've asked this to my other

BDSM people, like, to some people switch roles. I thought typically, like, if someone's a sub, they're, like, really a sub that they don't want to be the dom sometimes. but I know that in their real life, like they like to switch sometimes. Like, you know what I mean? If at work, they're like, you know,

the fucking heads of companies and stuff. A lot of times they like to me be, when it comes down to the sex part of it, you know, they want to be the sub, right? But with your wife, when you were doing like the BDSM with her, you were typically the Dom with her,

but in this situation with the guys, you want it to be the submissive. Correct. Okay, cool. Mm-hmm. And you would like, Both roles. You like to do both. With your wife, you like to be more

dog. Oh, absolutely. Okay, cool. Yeah, for sure. All right. So she's like totally teasing you. She's making this experience like she's topping your other experience that you thought you could never talk. Oh, definitely. Right, that's good. Definitely.

Yeah, fantastic. So I'd say the whole event may be lasted for, God, over an hour, maybe 80 minutes. Okay, and you paid for this. Right? I mean, this was another charge session. Like, this was like a session with her, right? Yes and no.

So no, yeah. No, yeah? Did you pay? Yes for her, but it wasn't anything additional. Right. Yes for her time. Yeah, yeah. But it wasn't anything additional for the gentleman to participate.

Yeah, no, he probably paid for her time too, so she probably got double pay. Like, that was a good hookup for her. Yeah, for sure. She's a working woman, right? This is her job. So I was just wondering. She's got to get it somehow. Yeah.

So I was just, so I'm thinking, I was figuring, yeah, she would, he would pay and you would pay. So you paid, right? She spent about 80 minutes of all, like, what are you doing that time? Like you said, like you built up to the blow job. Is that all you did? Like, you just blew him? Like, did you do it more than once? Or like, what was going down and all that time?

Because that's a long time. I'm assuming he came fast or did she make you stop blowing him so that he couldn't come and do that whole thing? Yes. Okay. So if we want to really break it down, I'd say the first 20 minutes, it was just me and her, you know, the discussion and the pre-build-up or so on. I'd say the next easily 10, if not 15 minutes was the, you know, the teasing, the undressing

and whatnot. Yeah. And then I'd say it was a good five minutes worth of continuing to blow and can well, stand, pardon me while standing up. And then we eventually moved over to, you know, we moved over to the bed. We moved over to the couch. We got into the different positions and so on. And he finished maybe an hour or sorry, 40 minutes after he arrived, he finished.

And then another 20 minutes of just me and her. Right. Okay, cool. So just you and her. What did you do with her? Oh, she finished me off. Oh, right, right. you're just doing everything with him.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, she finished the hand job on me. And now, did you want anything as far as, like, for him to blow you or anything like that, or was that off the table or that wasn't a part of what you were interested in? I can get blown at home. Right.

Okay. You know, it's nothing I need to outsource. So you were happy with her doing it for you? Oh, absolutely. Okay. Okay, cool. So that was the end of that experience. Is that the last time you've been with a guy?

No, there's been one other since. And that one that I described to you may have been about three years ago. Oh, wow. Okay. And the woman who organized it, she's since gotten out of the business, if you will. She's relocated to another town. So it's not even an option to attempt anything with her. Did you ever attempt after that or that was just like after that it was like so good that you didn't want?

You did? Yes, no, we discussed it again to, you know, if ever the option was there to, to repeat it. Okay, and just it never came up again. But it was based upon the availability of the other fellow coming into town. Right, okay, cool. Yeah, and his willingness to participate. Right. So unfortunately, nothing panned out.

Uh-huh. But, you know, a few years go by, you get the itch again. So maybe back in April of this year, we'll say. Yeah. It was something else with Same deal Someone who came in from out of town You know we discussed it for a few weeks before

He was the same deal Zero experience We never been with a guy before Because it wasn't through that woman right Were you on Craigslist? Okay so before Craigslist ended Yeah okay because you know there's no more Craigslist anymore You guys probably got your last hookup before they took all that shit off right

Exactly Yeah okay cool So you met a guy on Craig's List in April. And then same thing. It was the, you know, you're starting to get the M.O. that I have. I'm looking for the tourists or the business travelers who are, you know, just into the anonymous. And it was the same thing.

You know, we made the arrangements we met on the street beforehand and went up to the room and kept it quick and dark and anonymous and limited it to hand jobs, unfortunately. he actually performed on me, handjobbing only. Right, okay, cool. So that was the first time ever been touched by a man. And, I mean, it is what it is. It didn't do anything for me. It didn't. But so what was the point of that?

Like, did you do anything to him? Because you said he did. Oh, yes, I jerked him off as well. Oh, okay. And that did something to you. You prefer that part of it. It was his idea to keep it to hand jobs, knowing that it was his first time. and had never done anything like this.

So, of course, the rules were, you know, I'm sitting on it on the other side of the fence now, you know, going from the guy seeking out and being the young and experience to getting the age where I had no real choice but to go for someone my age or younger. Right, okay. So it limited it to hand jobs,

and it was fun. You know, I had a good time. I don't jerk my wife off at home. So it was, you know, I got something out of it that way. But you prefer blow jobs. anything is what you're saying absolutely right okay cool for sure and it's the same deal i don't need to be i don't need to be pleasure well yeah i hear that a lot from people like so but so when you you don't need to be pleasure but like so what is the experience for you is it because it gives you like like thoughts

that you could think about later and jerk off to them so like you know what i mean like if you don't come like what's the point it's like you know what i mean if we want to use that food reference again to me it's like going to a restaurant when you're really really you're really hungry ordering like the best looking fucking steak you've ever seen in your life if that's what you're into that's what i'm into right but not eating it and then you go home and i don't know and then maybe you make a steak at home like what is the like what do you what's the point of having this sort of experience if you don't come you bring the steak home with you and you eat it in bed there you go that was a good you know that's the answer right so it's really like you want to take it home and

when you're by yourself, like, you want, like, that, what you just did was, like, the hottest thing, and then you, you sort of live on that when you're jerking off scenarios, right? And I'm sure it lasts you a long time, not just for that night. You probably eat that steak for the next two weeks, right? Because here's the thing. After any guy finishes, any after any guy comes, there's that moment of regret. You know what I mean? Like you think, fuck, that we're so depraised.

I'd rather have that regret. Brett when I'm in bed and ready to sleep it off. Then on the 20 minutes car ride on. Yes. I forgot. You know what I mean? No, yes. I forgot.

That's exactly what this other guy taught me one day. It was like this guy that would go into this dominatrix and he would like be there for two hours getting like being everything and I'd be like, why didn't you come? It doesn't make sense. But I remember him specifically kind of yelling at me. He's like, no, Kathy, you need to listen. Like this is what it is. Like I don't want to like come and be in a fucking dungeon and be like where the fuck am I?

He's like, I want, you know what I mean? And I was like, oh my God, that totally makes sense. Yeah, because you go from like after you come, you go for, it's like being completely drunk and out of your mind to being completely sober, right? Like in an instant. So the last thing you wanted to do is be like, like you said, like in that reality, that makes so much sense. It's the same thing.

And Kathy, let me ask you this question. And if it's too personal, you don't need to answer. Yeah. But I'm sure there's been days in your life where you've just blown someone and gotten nothing else out of it. Yeah, I just did that recently. Yeah, just because he wanted it. Yeah, for sure. Why'd you do it?

For him. Yeah, it's the same thing. Maybe there's some deep-seated psychological daddy issue where you need to please a man. No, I was doing a favor for a frat. Like, it was a frat. I mean, it was someone I fucked up. I had a fucking he really needed a blowjob. Like, I'll give you a blowjob.

Like, what's the big deal? And so, yeah, I just gave him a blowjob because he wanted one. There was no deep-seated anything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Happens all the time. Yeah, for sure. I'm sure that's like how married people are, right? There's plenty of times. You don't want to have sex with the other person, but you just do it because the other person wants to or whatever. But I think when you're hooking up, but in your situation, I think it's a little different. But like I have heard it before and it makes sense that like you are very turned on by what is going on, right? You just don't orgasm there. It's not like nothing's happening to you. Like this whole scenario is doing it for you. You just. go home and complete this scenario when you're back at your place.

There you go. Right? I mean, it's very different than me blowing my friend for a favor. Yeah. No, you're right. I don't know where you were going with that. I mean, like, I was just asking because sometimes like I'm like, why wouldn't you do, why would you do something if you're not going to come? But I forgot about that whole thing that you just described that someone else told me that

makes total sense that like you don't want to feel that depraved, like what the fuck did I just do? So you take it home. when you let go there and then everything is all good. And maybe another thing for me anyways is the whole anticipation. You know, there's every event, it's coincided with, you know, folks coming in from out of town. Is it two, three weeks, maybe a month or two of email exchanges,

you know, discussing what you want to do and how you want to do it? You know, knowing that the day coming, I think, builds into it as well. Yeah, for sure. So what is it that you don't want to let it end? So like you're taking it home makes it last even a little bit longer? Yeah, possibly. I think part of the whole savoring is easy reminition. Right.

You know what I mean? Like it's easier to remember something you focused on as opposed to remembering something that you were shit face loaded in and rushed through quickly. Right, right, right. You just want to, right. Okay, cool. So that was your last experience like in April.

So you don't really, see it's not like you have a lot of guys behind your wife's backs right like i mean you've only been with twice and you never fool around with women right like at all no and your sex life with her is really great and it doesn't seem like i mean do you do a lot of like i don't know because it doesn't like you've really been with like i would say five guys right and it's only blow jobs or hand jobs right have you ever had any desire to get like be a top be a bottom or have it go any farther than that? Nope.

No? Nope. And so is it dicks in your mouth that you like? Have you ever heard the guy on my podcast that's Trey that just likes to give like 10,000 blow jobs with you? He gives like, you know,

he has blow job events like where he just loves dicks in his mouth and he's drinking. Do you swallow by the way? I haven't, no. You never have? No. Okay.

But you, get you give blowjoz, and then you just, you don't swallow? You know, as embarrassing it as is to sound, none of them have ever finished in my mouth. It's always been the last minute pull out and then you'd finish. Oh,

really? Interesting. Well, the first gentleman he finished it himself. Right. After the second for that matter, I don't count. Do you think maybe you're bad at blow jobs? No. I don't even care if I am. I'm not looking for validation.

Well, then you definitely give the worst blow job in the world. I don't care. Well, then you definitely are bad at a blowjob. You know why I'm so good at a blowjob? Because I care about being good at a blowjob. You should absolutely care about turning that person on more than anything. That is the essence of a good job. You just said I don't fucking care about giving a blow job.

No, wrong. What I said was, I don't care. I don't care. Okay, yeah. No, I have the enthusiasm. I like to think I'm doing a good job. But if they replied back to me and said, you gave the worst blow job ever,

you know, if there's a follow-up email all these years later and they said, yeah, it sucks. It's not going to change the experience that I had. Okay, I'm different. Like, I'm motivated by insults. Like, I feel like I want to make a T-shirt that says it. Like, I really am.

Like, if someone told me I gave the worst blow job, and maybe someone did when I was younger, I don't know. But, like, I would be so. so motivated to figure out how, like, I want to give good blowout. So, like, I would want to know how to improve. Like, you would want to know because you'd want to do a better job, right? Like, you'd want to give someone the best fucking blowjob. Like, people think I give, like, the best blow jobs ever.

Right? That's, like, what you want to do, right? Like, so I think if someone told you that I'm just making a joke about, like, I think maybe you got offended that, like, maybe you're not giving good blowjobs because nobody's coming in your mouth. They're jerking themselves off. Like what's the what the fuck? Like you know what I mean?

Like are you jerking them off while you're blowing them? Are you using your hand and your mouth at the same time, right? Of course. Of course. You have a dick so you know what a good blow job feels like. So how could you give a bad blowjob? I like to think I'm doing a good job. Yeah.

To be honest with me, I like to think I am. Okay. I've always assumed that the reason that that's the route that they took is because when we would discuss it beforehand, saying how there's limited experience. Yeah. You know, it's kind of a dick move. to jam your dick down someone's throat and finish without, you know, them authorizing it beforehand. So knowing that we were both respectful and never really discussed it first, that's the reason I'm

assuming. I could be wrong and I could be terrible. But as I said, if I get that negative feedback all of these years later, I'm not going to be phased by it. But if I'm blowing someone tomorrow when they say, God, you suck, do it this way. I'll take their advice. I'll do it the way they recommend. Absolutely. I'm there to make them, to make them happy. Yeah, don't you want to just drive them crazy to the point where they can't like just like that lady, like just like what that lady did to you. And I'm sure people like it's like, you know, sort of bring you like get a guy like so ready to come and then stop and then start to go slowly again and then, you know, like you can make. Oh, fantastic. Yeah, right. Like I mean, so would you swallow if someone were to come in your room?

You know, I think I would. And the reason being I've never done it. Yeah. Let's see what it's all about. Yeah, you need to swallow. I mean, that's a part of it. Do you know what I mean? Oh, I'm sure it is. Yeah, I think. But it's not like, listen, when you said you didn't swallow it, because I'm always like, what do people do if they don't swallow? Like, they come in your mouth, then you run to the bathroom and like spit it out in the toilet bowl or something.

I don't know, you know, because I've always swallowed. But like with you, it's like you, it's not like you didn't spit. You just didn't swallow because you didn't have the chance, right? And it's not like you've had given a lot of blow jobs, right? because the guy with the girl, right, you didn't blow him, right? He just, oh, no, you did blow him. You blew him, right? He didn't blow you.

And she didn't let him calm in your mouth? What the fuck? Like, what, she was micromanaging that whole situation. Where did she make him come? Ah, you see, you forgot something. He's the full-time slave to her. Right. Why should he be getting pleasure?

So she didn't let him come? Correct. What a bitch. What a torture. Who wants to be a, like, who wants to be that person in the scenario? So he was not allowed to come? Well, no, maybe he was taking a stake home too. That's the stake home to situation, right?

Like, he was into whatever he's into. It's hot, right? Being denied, and that's probably what gets a lot later, right? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not like a BDSM person, so I don't really know. This is why I have all these questions because, you know, and sometimes it's hard to follow when there's kind of like two subs in the room, right?

Because you got, that was. No, of course. You guys were like sort of double and she was like the one really orchestrating the whole thing. She was the Dom, right? Definitely. Right. Yeah. So she didn't let him come.

So in that situation, you didn't have time. So, you know, it's not like you've given tons of blowjobs and no one's ever come. You haven't, it's not like you've given that many. Exactly. Right. Where will you find your next person from? Well, the good news is the last one who, uh, who, uh, who I met up in April, was coming back to town in November, I believe, or December, somewhere down the road.

Uh-huh. So we still have each other's, we haven't communicated since, but we have each other's email addresses, and we know that, you know, we'll see what happens when they return to town. Right. When they return. So there's a prospect. You and your pronouns. When they return, when he returned, you know, like they and we instead of I and him.

Oh, you're going to be Googling up a storm then, because that's 100% normal where I'm at. It is? Oh, yeah, no. Like I said, I'm so dumb. I wouldn't even know that has to do with, like, dialect because I don't even, like, practically know what dialect means, but, like, I won't be Googling. Don't worry. But, no, like, I know when, I know in New York State, they always say online instead of inline.

What do you mean? You know, they're waiting online. Yeah. Like if you're waiting. Yeah. Online. Everywhere else in the world that you're waiting in line. But you get to New York.

States for some silly reason. You're like online. Yeah, and it couldn't be more irritating than to be in line. But you're right, it's wrong. But I think it's, but I'm sorry, anywhere, any place, I don't know where it is, I'm not going to Google because I could give a shit where the place is. I just think it's

very wrong to say they are coming back when it's one person, they is plural. He, like he, this is a right, or is it not plural? They could be like singular, like they. You're talking about one person. And when you're talking about yourself, you're saying we.

You should say, I, right? Listen, I am, like, grammatically, like, almost like I'm in fourth grade education. I'm like, I have a friend that makes so much fun of me. And the fact that I have a podcast and I'm kind of not so great at grammar is a problem. So people are probably like, I'm so wrong right now. I don't know. And like I said, because I... Yeah, they probably are.

Because back to that whole public speaking thing, if I go and assume that someone's a he or she and they identify as something else, I'm fucked. No, that is nothing. That's not what we're fucking, stop it. That's not what we're talking about. You're saying, when you were talking about yourself, stop, this is not that you're making a wrong argument. We were talking about yourself and you were saying we instead of I. I know because you're talking like you're keeping things impersonal, right?

But me and you were talking personal. So it's you, it's I, it's him. He's coming back. Yeah, no, I know. It's interesting. People do need to know that you're a public speaker. I'm going to change your voice. No one's going to know who the fuck you are.

But that's what you do. So you do have that way, right? Because I don't think regular people talk like that. So this guy, he is coming back in November. Now, do you think that he'll be into more than like a hand job this time? Because, like, you know, maybe he will feel more comfortable. Well, that's the thing. You know, it would ultimately depend on his willingness to do more.

Right. You know, if it's going to be a recreation of, you know, let's lay down and jerk each other off. I would not be interested. Right, right, I hear you, right? Yeah. I take that hard pass. Now, at the same time, I'm not there to pressure anyone

into doing something they're not uncomfortable with. Of course, right. But maybe he'll be more comfortable. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because... Well, that's what I'm hoping for. Yeah. I'm hoping that he has a period of exploration between when we met a couple of months back

to when we could possibly meet again down the road. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, and I want you to like swallow and then come back on and talk about it. Absolutely. Okay. Absolutely. You'll be like, we swallowed and we had a great time. Oh, it was excellent.

It was excellent. Yeah, I want to say. And, you know, and yeah, see, like maybe he'll, hopefully he'll be interested. I mean, do you have like the it again because you do it? Because you go a long time in between people a lot of the times, right? Like, is it the type of thing where you're like... Yeah, I'm like a camel. You know, I can bank it up for a while.

Right. And then you just, then you really want to. But it's ultimately dependent on that perfect situation. Right. You know, I have the fear of running into the person. I have the fear of being married and in a relationship. You know, I don't want to go out there and catch anything. Yeah.

You know, so it's not like I'm going to go to the bars and pick someone up when I'm on the road on business. You know, admittedly with Christ, Craigslist going offline. It's definitely a negative, but there's more than enough alternatives out there to find someone if you're really looking. Yeah, totally, of course, then just meeting somebody randomly in a bar. Yeah, you get still fine people. Somebody emailed me recently. I forget what they said, but they said, oh, there's this other hookup site that's kind of like the new Craigslist where all the same people are going, you know. So there'll be other places to find me a little. But the good news is you still have that guy's email. So, you know, and I mean, who would just be into hand out? Like, most

likely he'll want to blow a job like hopefully you know in November when he comes back but if not you'll find somebody else yeah exactly and I mean you know it's not like there won't be any opportunities down the road you know as I said if you want it bad enough you'll make it happen right and you're like the camel and you could go a long time until that happens and I mean you have like it pretty good because like you have sort of an open pass a free pass right to do it whenever you want you travel for your job your wife is cool you have great sex with her so it's not like you're sexually like frustrated you know um no not at all right yeah so you're living the good life we're doing our best yeah we sorry i'm doing my best i'm sorry i'm doing my best all right well i'm

glad that you're doing your best but like keep me posting on what goes on i want to know uh i want to I want to update when you give your first blowjob where you swallow. Is that cool? I'll keep you posted for sure. Okay. And I'll keep you posted when I air this and wait until you listen back. I think it's going to be very interesting when you listen back. So you could hear some of the things like differently.

Maybe you'll hear it differently. Maybe and listen, whenever I edit it because I'm going to go in and edit it, I listen to the whole thing over again. Maybe I'll hear things differently. That has happened to me too. So, you know what I mean? Because we've had a couple of arguments, not arguments, you know what I mean? But funny things where I was like, what are the fuck are you talking about? You're like, you said that, you know?

So I'm curious. I personally think what I remember is that, and I think you'll listen and be like, oh, I see like I was totally wrong. I thought she meant that, you know, or maybe I'll see that. I don't know, but it'll be interesting to listen back. Very time. We'll tell. For both of us. Yes.

Yes. So anyway, Eric, thanks for calling in. And keep me posted when you hook up with that guy again. again and thanks so much for the story. Thank you. You're welcome. Bye. All right. Bye now. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audio book. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show.

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