Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 272 - Amy Started Hooking Up with Girls Before she Started Hooking Up with Guys

Episode Date: February 25, 2019

Amy calls in to talk about how he loves give blowjobs but winds up talking about so much more. Including her hook ups with girls, her threesomes and foursomes with her booty call, how he got her totally into giving great bjs, how she eventually met her husband and how and why they settled down and a whole lot more. When did she first start hooking up with girls? Who was involved in her threesomes and foursomes? How did her booty call get her into giving head? Tune in to find out. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast with Kathy. If you want to follow the strictly anonymous podcast on Instagram or Twitter, follow the show at Strict Anonymous. If you want to be on the show, this is a call and advice show where I give total strangers my unprofessional advice. And I also just listen to people talking about their interesting lives and their secret lies. If you want to be on the show, send me an email at Strictly Anonymous Podcast atchimel.com or go to my website, strictly anonymouspodcast.com and click on be on the show. Today I'm having a girl who found me on Facebook. Um, and she was just like, I really like to suck dick. Uh, and I'm listening to one of your episodes about, uh, the girl

who likes to really like to suck dick. And I was like, hey, you want to be on the show? Because I always know that my listeners, my listeners love episodes with females. So whenever I get a female that emails me. I always try to wrangle them into calling in because people like to hear from them. And I don't get them a lot. I get a lot more. Guys, so she agreed. I really had no idea. I thought this was going to be a podcast about blow drums and it wanted to be a podcast about so much more. Her story is just so interesting. I find people interesting. This is like a story that unfolds and there's just like you just find out more and more about her. It's like peeling an onion, right? And there's just so many more layers. and that's who Amy is.

She's a girl who, like I said, sort of comes on and just says, like, she just really likes to suck dick, and we start talking about that. But we go sort of backwards, and it turns out she was, at first she was gay, and she had a lot of experiences with women, and then she was only with men, and then she was with men and women, and she had threesomes and foursums, and then she was married, and then she had a baby, and that's a whole really beautiful story there. And all that stuff, and that's what we do.

And that's what is sort of revealed. but it's so much more interesting, and I think I use that word like 10 times already, but it's like it's so much more interesting the way it all sort of unfolds and comes out in this conversation. So sit back, relax, and I'm going to be right back on with Amy. How are you today?

I'm good. How about yourself? I'm good. So I don't know much about you, Amy, except that you're like a new listener to the show, right? You actually emailed me through Facebook and we're like, hey, I'm like, found your show, and I really like this one episode.

I forget which one it was, but it was the girl who really loves to suck dick, right? Like, I mean, wasn't she the girl that, like, could get off just sucking a dick without even having any, like, sort of play with her vaj, right? Like, I mean, she could just literally come from a dick in her mouth, right? Was that the girl you're talking about? Yes, they were the one of these swingers. Yeah.

So you said you were listening to that and you're like, you could totally relate to her because you love to suck dick. Now, because you sent me a thing on Facebook, I didn't go looking at your profile, but I could see in your little picture that you're there with a guy. So I'm assuming you're maybe married or dating somebody, right? Yes. Yes, I am. And so what is your deal? Like, I don't know, maybe you're just a regular girl that likes to suck dick. Maybe there's a story there. I don't know. I was like, let me get her on the show and start asking some questions and see

what this is all about, right? So what's your deal as far as blowjobs are concerned? This is just like something that you do just with your guy? Is it something that you could get off? Like with It's not to that extreme. It's not as extreme as it gets me off. I just really, really enjoy it. Right. I think I was like 20, and I had somebody who opened up my eyes to a bunch of different kind of sexual things.

So it was pretty awesome. Not nothing super crazy, but, you know, just kind of opened me up. And I... You mean like a boyfriend at the time? A friend, just a friend. Not a boyfriend. We were just friends that had sex. Right.

So he was like a booty call. I mean, he was like your booty call. call guy, he was a guy you were sleeping with, and you guys sort of, like, learned things. Now, were you not into blowjubs before? I mean, like, it's he the one? No, no. Real. Yeah. Yeah, definitely was not. It was just, I mean, it wasn't horrible

or anything like that. I just didn't enjoy it. I did it because I did. I needed to do it. Whatever guy I was with, you know, you just, and I'm monogamous. I never, you know, went around just randomly sucking people's dicks or anything, but. Right, right, right. You weren't, like, super slutty or promiscuous. It wasn't

that kind of thing. And you didn't really enjoy giving blow jobs. Right. But him for whatever reason. Yes. Okay. And so how many guys before him, when did you lose your virginity? How old were you?

I was 18. You were 18. Okay. So, and how many, since you said you were like very monogamous, I mean, by the time you met the guy that, you know, taught you some freaky things. How many guys had you been with before him? Just the boyfriend? Three?

three, yes, and they were boyfriends, yes. Right, so they were all guys that you were monogamous with. You gave them head, but it was like whatever. You were just doing it for them. You weren't even turned on, let me ask you this. Like, you weren't even turned on by the fact of that you were like turning them on? No, no. It was just like, okay, you know, you did me.

Now I'm going to do you. Right, right. It's my turn kind of thing, you know what I mean? So, you know, you're probably like really good at blow jobs now because you're, you actually really like it, you know, and you were probably really bad at blowjobs when you had that kind of attitude, right? I think that's the difference between girls that give a really good head and girls that don't. Is that, you know, because I think what it is is that the girls that really like to do it give good. So let me ask you this. So you met this guy, how did you go from

being such a monogamous girl to like having a booty call? Was it just a dry spell and you were horny and this got like, how come we didn't date this guy? Well, we kind of worked together. So we would, you know, travel a lot for our job and the stuff that we did. And we were both single at the time. So it was like, you go out, have drinks, you become friends, you know, like all these guys and your people on your career, you become friends, you drink, you party. And then one night we just hooked up. And then it was like, you know, hey, what are you doing? Hey, nothing. I'm going to come on over. And he taught me some shit. And it was awesome. What kind of stuff did he teach you?

I mean, we did anal play. We, the head sping, I mean, just positions that you wouldn't think of, like me on my neck with my legs in the air on the floor. It was just, it was amazing, nursing stuff. Right. Well, we'll get into all of them. But, like, what is, what did he teach you about the head? Because you had given blowjobs before. How did he teach you to like it? Like, how did that happen?

Or did he teach you what to do? He was really turning me on. Right. And vice versa, I was doing the same for him. And it just, I don't know, over time, I just started really liking it. And then it became to see the guy who's teaching me if I can get him to his knees. It was like a challenge. Let me see how good I can do this.

Yeah, see, that's what I said before. Right. No, that's what I said before. Like, didn't you get off on, like, getting them off? And you said no. So maybe that you just hadn't been with a guy that you were super into before, maybe? because it's not like he taught you to like head. You just sort of liked him enough to want to give him good head.

Right. Right. And maybe because you had lost your virginity later in life and you weren't so like, you know, you weren't sleeping around like crazy. Like maybe it took you a couple tries before you got into your groove and could like really let your freak flag fly, right? I mean, you went straight into, I mean, did you lose your virginity with like your first boyfriend?

No. Who would you lose your virginity with? A buddy of mine. So a friend. That's a whole other story. Well, we could do that story too since you, you know, I mean, what? I liked girls prior to him. And I had girlfriends throughout, you know, like high school and stuff like that.

But I had never been with a guy. And he dared me. He said, you'd probably like guys more than you like girls. It was a bet. And we had sex. And I didn't dig it all that much. So. Right. See, this is why I always say, like, come on my show, you never know. And like, you know, because I love how people like talk about themselves as if they're just like sort of regular. And then you ask them like three questions and you realize, no, they're not really that regular. I mean, come on.

This stuff is regular. Because these are the kind of this is the life I grew up. Exactly, exactly. But well, let me ask you this. So before that guy, right, before you had sex with that guy, did you think you were a lesbian? Like was that where what, how you identified? identified yourself kinder or thought that's the direction you were going in since you were only with women? Yes. Okay. So you started, when was your first experience with a woman? I was young. I was a next-door neighbor girl. I want to say I was like 15, 14, 15 years old.

So how did that happen? Let me ask you this. Before that neighbor, and I want the story about how the neighbor seduced you or everybody else wants to hear that story. but like before that incident with the neighbor did you know that you were attracted to women no not really not that I can remember did you know anything about your sexuality before like had you been jerking off or anything no nothing no you didn't jerk off not you didn't do anything you had no orgasms before 15 do you remember 14 it was 14 14 okay before before before that you had never like gone to town

on yourself or did anything or figured out you had a clit or orgasms or anything? No? No, not that I can remember. Okay, so what happens with the neighbor? Well, we were having a sleepover and you and her. She was your good friend. I touched her. No, no, no, no, no, that's not, that's too general. Wait a second. Walk me through it. So you, this girl is your friend? How old is she? You're 14. How old is she? She was my age too. We were in the same class and all that. Okay, so was she your best friend? Yes. Okay, so your best friend and your next-door neighbor.

You guys had done sleepovers before everything. There was nothing ever alluding to like anything between you two before this incident? No, I mean, we were just, you know, we would hang out on the couch together, lay on each other, just kind of what, you know, girlfriends do, watch a movie, hang out, nothing that would suggest, hey, we're getting ready to play with each other kind of thing. Right. And then one day she's sleeping over your house or you're at her house. house. I was over at her house. Okay. And so you're watching TV. Like, what are you guys doing? And then who's the person that makes the first move? And what's the move? You know what I mean? Be specific. She had seen a magazine. Yeah. That was her dad's. And she was telling me about him. And I guess,

you know, it was a porn mag. I don't know. I didn't see the magazine. And I can't really remember too much. I just remember her touching my clit and rubbing on it. And then she told me to do the same to her. it was it felt good and that that's what we did and you just played with it did you guys make out did you guys after it was done did you do it like 10 more times it was as simple it's just rubbing on each other right rubbing each other's clit and rubbing each other's body we didn't kiss or we just laid there rubbing on each other now but let me ask you this after you came were you like what the fuck did I just do or like were you guys like whatever I mean did you go back to watching your show did you go to sleep?

Probably went to sleep. I don't remember what we did afterwards. Okay, but you don't, do you remember like your feelings about it at all? It felt good, and I liked it. And then basically after every sleepover we had, that's what we did. We would just play with each other. So then after

that, every time you guys saw each other, you would like rub up on each other and give each other orgasms kind of. Yes. Definitely, right? Yes. Did you ever, like, go down on each other or go further? Not with her, no. Okay.

And now, did you guys tell any of your friends, or was it, like, your guy's naughty secret? I never told anybody about it. I don't know about her. Mm-hmm. And so after, so that's happening every single time you have sleepover with her. And then do you start to think to yourself, like, oh, I really like girls. And then how did you wind up hooking up with the next girl? Probably about middle school.

Mm-hmm. I had met this girl. and she was open about women, like liking women and liking, you know, all of that. She's the one who actually told me how to eat pussy. Right. And she turned into my girlfriend. But was she somebody that you went to school with? She was a new girl in our neighborhood.

Oh, okay. She was a new girl in your neighborhood now. Was she your same age as well? She was one year older than me. She was a year older. You found out that she was openly gay? Is that what she was? Yes.

And so were you like, oh, I got to go check that out because at this point you knew you liked women and were you attracted to her? I thought she was kicked shit. Like she came into school. She was this lion girl, this beautiful hair. She had this tan. I was kind of like tomboyish. She was just gorgeous. Well, she started hanging out with our group.

She lived in our neighborhood. She was walking, you know, back and forth to school with us. We got to talk in. And then we started dating. Well, did you tell her you had been with women before? Like, how did it sort of come to be that, like, you know, she knew what you were into? Because, I mean, she was open about her sexuality. How did she know that you were down?

Because I was hitting on her. Okay. I mean, so you were. So you were, like, kind of aggressive, even though this was like your second girl. And so you kind of... She was really cute. Right. And you were really into her.

Yes. And so what did you do? Ask her out on a date? Like, how did it work? How did it happen the first time? It just kind of happened a little casually. We were having a house party at a friend's house and we were drinking and doing all the stupid stuff,

you know, smoking pot and high. Yeah. And we were making out. And that's just kind of where it went from there. We made out just kissing and stuff like that. And then we started kind of casually dating at school and hanging out and holding hands. And then the first time,

we were on a camping trip. The first time what? The first time I ate her pussy, we were on a camping trip. And she told me what to do. And it was wonderful. And I dug it. So wait. So, but before that, you basically, like, sort of kind of came out of the closet, right?

Because you were, like, holding her hand in school. And so you sort of, like, put it out there that this is what you were into. And, like, you were totally fine with that? Yes. That's cool. And so you guys are dating. How long before? that camping trip did you date?

Like how long were you dating before that? What did you guys do before you went down on her? Or was that the first time you guys fooled around? That was the first time we'd fooled around on the camping trip. Okay, so right after you guys start dating, you guys go on this camping trip. Were there other people? About two weeks after, yeah.

Were there other people on that trip? Or is it just you and her? No, it was all of us. It was a bunch of friends? Yeah, there was about five of us. And you got you and her were in the same tent with nobody else? Yep. And so you were like, okay, I want to go down and you would teach me how?

No, we were making out and, you know, rubbing each other up and down. I started kissing on her. Well, she went down on me first, and then I got down there, and she was just kind of telling me, you know, a little to the left or a little harder or that's too hard. And she was just kind of walking me through it. And then I did it, and it was great. Right. And then you liked it when she did it to you. I'm assuming. Oh yeah, absolutely. Right. So how long did you guys date? A few months.

And what went wrong? She moved. Oh, so she moved. But were, and were you like devastated? Were you like really, yeah, I was pretty sad. I was very, very sad about that. She was an awesome girl and we kept contact on the telephone. She moved down to Florida and that was, then we just kind of lost touch over the years. And then did you date more girls after her? Not really date, but I definitely hooked up with other girls after her, yes. And did you have, during this time that you're like hooking up with all these girls and totally like digging pussy, like did you ever any time like wonder about guys or have any kind of curiosity about them or did you just totally with all your interest in women at that point? I mean, I had curiosities. I just thought I was a lesbian, so I just stayed in my lane kind of thing.

And I never really pursued a guy. Until the guy at your work? No, because you had boyfriends after that. So how did you wind up with a guy then if you never pursued them? Somebody pursued you? Yes, my best friend. Well, he wasn't really my best friend. Oh, right, the guy, the virginity guy, right?

Yeah. You're going to like you, I'm going to make you like you. guys more oh my god that's such a guy thing like here comes the guy like I'm gonna get a lesbian to become not a lesbian do you know what I mean like that's the ultimate like badge of honor I think as a guy right like oh my yeah but it didn't work for him because it was really terrible so it was but yeah but listen if he listened to this podcast I mean he was the person that switched you up kind of I mean he was the first guy right he broke your guy virginity that's kind of hilarious so he was like you're going to, and

were you drunk and drinking and so you just decide to try it? Like, were you attracted to him? I mean, he wasn't an ugly looking guy, but it wasn't not, I was never attracted to him like that. It was just kind of a challenge. I was like, oh yeah,

let's see, prove it. Right. Yeah. And it wasn't good. We were drinking. We were drinking and and hanging out. And so after that, like it wasn't good, you said, right, at all. I mean, was it bad because of him?

Or was it bad just because it was the first time? Was it bad because it was a guy? And you're like, what the fuck? Probably because it was the first time. And he wasn't small. He was a very big guy. He had a big dick. Right.

So just, I don't know. I just wasn't into it. It didn't feel good. Right. Yeah, first time. I think first time to take like a really big dick is probably like different. Yeah, it was bad. Right.

Okay. But after that, did you continue to see girls? and then guys too? Or like what happened after that? Because like to the, or did that confuse you at all? Um, it definitely did confuse me. Um,

I did date a guy and that's where I actually started enjoying the sex with the guy, but I didn't, I didn't like giving head, you know? Right, right, right. But what did, what did you say it did? Did you say it did confuse? It definitely did confuse you or definitely didn't confuse you. What did you?

Oh, it did. Right. And it confused you because you were always thought you were into women, right? And now you kind of like guys and maybe you don't know that you physically like them that much. But it just like opened up like a can of worms or something, right? Like. Yes. Yeah. It was, I don't even know how to explain it. Yeah. Try. Let me try here. So he was a good friend of mine. So kind of had feelings for him, but not in the I'm attracted to you kind of way. It was more like a brother kind of situation. Uh-huh. just because we always hung out in the same group. We were always hanging around each other. And so there was some kind of a feeling there. And then I started to wonder, well, what if there's other guys?

Like try a smaller guy or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Try a smaller one, see how that is. Yeah. Just to see if I like guys. Right, because you did have an emotional sort of feeling for him as well, right? Yes, because of our friendship. Right.

And you wanted to see, like, if you had the emotional and the physical, gall maybe then you could also be into guys so then there was a guy after him that came around yes and I was with that guy for four years and now did he make the first move or did you he did he know that you were with girls before I'm assuming everybody did right yeah everybody everybody knows everything yeah everybody in our circle knew and he was in our circle right yeah these guys they probably all wanted to date you do you do you do you mean. A, because, like, they think, oh, you're going to be, like, eating pussy in front of him at some point. And B, because he wants to be, like, the guy that makes you like guy. Like, he wants to be

the guy that makes you like guys. Like, there's nothing, like, hotter, I think of that for a guy. Like, it's power, you know, I think it's like a power. It's a straight up challenge. Yeah. It's that, let me pee on a tree. I'm a man. Let me see if I can do this. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I think it doesn't happen that often, but in your case, it kind of did, right? So that guy and you now he was your friend too, right? He was in your circle of friends. And so he pursued you by like, what? Did he pull the same move like, I'm going to change you or like it wasn't a drunken hookup? Like did he

try to like sort of woo you his way? It was woo and it was definitely woo and we started hanging out more. We would go get something to eat and he would pay for it. and, you know, just kind of slowly but surely worked his way into my world and into my heart. And he was a sweetheart. He was a great, great guy. Right. He knew how to treat a woman. Right. In the beginning. In the beginning. Right, right, right, right. Oh, right, right. Because it was a challenge. And then he got you and then he turned into an asshole.

He was a hands-on kind of person, but yeah. Right, right, right. What does that mean hands-on? Like, he started hitting you? Yeah, but I don't want to, I don't want to get into that. Oh, God. Yeah, that's going to take this. that would take this down. Okay. Yeah. So, no, we're not.

That's. All right. We don't have to go there. So wait. So during this time, like, when you were with that guy for four years, you said you were monogamous. So did you ever have women, like, in that relationship? Or did you give up women totally and were you okay with it?

Yeah, there was no women in that relationship. Now, but did you miss it considering? Yes. Yeah. Because you weren't like that into guys yet physically. Like, I mean, it was doing it for you, but not until. the guy that you worked with, did you really come into your own with guys, right? Right, right.

Right. So the whole time you're dating this guy and you're monogamous, you're still sort of like thinking about women, right? Because it's not like this guy was in. Absolutely. Right. Did he ever try to get you to have a threesome or something? Yes, he did, but I'm a very jealous person.

I don't like to share. So when it comes to sex, I'm a very jealous person. I can't think of my partner being with somebody. else it makes me feel queasy sick right yeah there's it's no so you were like but let me ask you this did he ever say like you could just be with women on your

own or was it just that's just wasn't on the table or and maybe you didn't want to do that. That was not on the table either right right right okay so you dated very possessive he was right yes so you dated for four years and then when you guys broke up did you go

back to women at all at some point Oh yeah That's kind of where Where my My buddy co-worker comes into play Yes Well the co-worker was a guy

So how does he come into play when you're back With hanging out with chicks Okay so I had to travel for work And like I said The situation with me and the guy I was with For four years had gotten pretty dark Pretty heavy And I just started this job

And they wanted me to travel And I figured that was my way out. Yeah. So I took the job and I stayed gone for like a year just traveling all these places, working all these things. But when I took that job, this guy was on my team. Yeah. My work team. Yeah. And I met him. We were hanging out. He thought I was hot. I thought he was cute. We started partying together. This is around 20, 21 years old. I turned 21 out of town. So it was wonderful. Yeah. And we started having sex. But what about, but no, I had asked you, like to after that guy because you were like creating thinking about women that whole time for four years

you were off of women right and you were like thinking about that whole time when you guys broke up did you hook up at all or have some sort of things go down with women or did you just go was the guy that another guy like the next person you were with the next person i was with another guy was this guy yes it was within two months of me oh right because you just got it right yeah That was smart though because when you're in like really heavy, dark, sick shit like that, like sometimes the only thing or the best thing. You got to get out. You got to get out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And to go as far away as possible. That was probably that that was a smart move. So you're out on the road. You start fooling around with this guy and this guy did it for you. Yes. Yes. So you had the chemistry with him and he got you into that. What was that whole thing you said?

So first of all, he taught you. He didn't really teach you how to give a good blow job. He didn't teach me. He made me want to be good at it. And the better I got at it, the more it seemed to turn me on. And the more I enjoyed it, the more I tried more stuff. It was just, it was fantastic. Yeah, that's what I think that that's what it's all about.

There is a, there is when you realize, like, you could sort of, like, control a guy and make him beg for, you know, there's like power in it, right? And that's hot, right? It's like taking a little bit of their power from them and you own it and it's all the power play. And I'm, yeah. Yeah. And if you could lose yourself in it, you could really sort of like, you know, give a really good blowjob and be able to really tell what the guy wants without them having to explain it. If you're really in tune, I think. And really.

Oh, absolutely. From the flex of them to the way they're grabbing on you. They're breathing. Yes. Yeah. Right. So this guy. And so what about the weird positions?

You said there was one where you're on your neck and then you're like, yes. It was like I was doing a handstand, but everything else, or a headstand. Yeah. But everything else, I was just kind of, my head was on the ground, my neck was bent, my legs are in the air, kind of toes touching the top of my head. And he was just drilling me. It was crazy awesome. Yeah, it is a good, interesting position and good. And so this is the guy that I turned you into all of that kind of stuff.

stuff. So it's weird sex positions or just great sex positions. Now, did you ever have a threesome with him? Yes. Okay, because I was going to say, like, if you're getting freaky with this guy, like, why not? Because you're not, like, emotionally, because like you said, he was your friend. It was also probably because you were coming out of a very bad relationship that you probably have fun. Yeah, you probably weren't open emotionally for a relationship. And that's probably why it didn't turn into anything, don't you think? Yep, absolutely. Right. 100%. I just wanted to to have fun. Yeah, he was the lucky guy to sort of be like right there and be available because it's probably, I mean, I'm assuming it didn't get messy ever, right? As far as someone liking someone.

Because a lot of times that happens in situations like that, you know? But it wasn't going to happen with you guys because of what you had gone through. So, you know, you guys were both lucky, you know, because it worked for both of you from where you're at. Yep. And so how did the three some happen. So we were out partying at this club and it was kind of like this big huge country bar, but there was all these different sections in it. So we're partying. We're having a good old time. This girl comes up. She's kind of dancing with him. And then I start dancing on her and we're drinking and we're partying. We get a cab. We go back. She's into it. I'm into it. He's into it. And we just start going to town. Right. In the cab? No, not in the cab when we got back to our room. Oh, all right. Okay. And then, so

did she fuck him and you were totally fine with that? Because like you said in relationships, you're very super jealous, but with this guy, I'm assuming, like it was like a free for all kind of thing? Oh, yeah, absolutely. No rules. Just go for it. Right. And that must have been great for you because you hadn't been with a woman for a really long time. Yes. It was amazing. And I mean, it was just like all night long with the two. And now did you see it? Until we got tired. Until we got tired.

We just kept going. It was, I mean, there was so many condom wrappers on my floor. It was ridiculous. He was just ripping them off and continue in. And he'd be on her and she's eating me out. And then I would be sitting on her face and he's fucking her. And then he'd fuck me and I'd eat her out. And it was just, it was wonderful.

It was so much fun. For you, I would assume that's like the best of everything. because you like men and you like women. Like you're definitely by, maybe more than that. Because like, let me ask you this, do you ever think that you could date a woman again? Like I said, I saw your little picture on Facebook

and you're with a guy. No what? I cannot. You could never. How come? No. I don't know. I just can't.

Let's face it. Most women are crazy. I just can't do that. They're annoying. Very much so. So I can't, I just, I never did. I never dated another woman after that. They were always just fun.

Right. So it was always, so maybe you were just by and maybe that girl, like, when you were younger, it was because you were young and you like looked up to her. You know what I mean? Like maybe it was. Most likely my first, you know, she was my first sexual experience. Yeah. And just, yeah.

And maybe you thought that there was something more there and it was just really that you were by and maybe you just like really liked her or admired her, whatever. You know what I mean? And got that confused with. with like something else. But you definitely feel like you can't be romantic with women now, but you can be only with men. Are you married?

I am. I've been 14 years now. Oh, wow. So how old are you now? I am 37. So all this stuff happened when you were younger. That guy. In my 20s, like in my early 20s, yes.

Right. And now with that guy, that threesome, did you guys see that girl again? I'm assuming probably not because you were out on the road, right? Yep, never saying her again. Did you guys have any other threesomes after that? Yes, we did. He had two friends who he had worked with and where we were working at, they came by and we had it, we did it again. So wait, there's two friends.

So what is that, a four-sum? Two girls or two-a- guy and a girl? One girl went to sleep. The other girl stayed up and there was two guys and two girls. Okay, so you're, this is a bunch of people hanging out. Yeah. And it's, I have to get all the people straight. Because you said he had two friends.

So it's you, him, another guy and another girl hanging out together. That's who all wound up hooking up again, right? More than a threesome. Actually, it was me, him, one of his buddies. Yeah. Who worked with us. I went out to a bar. He got a phone call and two girls that he had knew from previous times in travel or history.

I'm not sure quite how he knew them showed up and they liked to get down and dirty so we went back to our room me him his buddy and the two girls were hanging out the one girl passed out and then me him his buddy and the girl had a foursome

oh and who did who everybody no his buddy mainly on her and my friend was on both me and her and I was on her. Right. Okay. So you didn't you didn't fuck that other guy. No, no. And was it because he was like dating that girl and they had like rules or were you just not into being with him as well? I just wasn't into him. Period. Right, right, right. Okay, cool. So you guys all

were together. Because I was going to say like if that guy did that with you and you guys are not sort of in a relationship, I would think that you would continue to do that, right? Like any chance you got. any chance that you got, right? Yeah. Because it's almost like, how do you go back to having regular sex after that? Or I guess, like, the thoughts of it, right? Because I hear that a lot of my show with a lot of these people that have open relationships and they have this kind of hot sex with other people, then they bring

it back to their, you know, intimate relationship with each other, right? And it sort of adds to that, right? So I would assume after you have nights like that with that guy the next time you're together and even the next five times you're together, you could, you know, it's still a hot because even if you're just with each other right because of everything that you did previously with each other right yes yes absolutely and so how long did that last did you have any more three sums foursums five sums i don't know with you i'm like i'm pulling this out of you sorry no no no don't apologize it's interesting this way that's how i like it it's um we've had a couple

more threesome with some girls just me him and other girls and then that was for about six months and we had to go travel different places so we he traveled where he had to travel I traveled where I had to travel and that was that was it but let me ask you this with the other girls

was it always like just on the road you're drunk you met me to girls and bars like yeah right and so just bring them home for fun kind of thing right exactly and they were and they knew you guys I mean you guys weren't together so there was never in a jealousy.

So now, yeah, we were just really good friends. I mean, don't get me wrong, I did start to develop feelings for him. So you did.

Right towards the end. And it was a heartbreaking kind of thing, but it was never no animosity or, you know, anger. It was all.

Well, that's because he moved. He had to, he got another job, right? That was probably perfect. And I had to go to my new destination.

Yeah. That was probably perfect because it probably would have turned ugly. Or maybe you guys would have wound up in a relationship. Who knows?

How do you know? Yeah, true. Do you think he was developing feelings for you? You don't know. No, actually, we never talked about it. Right. Are you still friends? You and him?

Had you still friends? I heard from him in years and years and years. We did. Right. Just, you know, phone calls and stuff like that. But again, over time in our business, you just kind of lose touch. Right. Now, let me ask you this.

Did you ever let him know that you were copping feelings, or was it something you kept to yourself? Kept it to myself. he never knew. Right. Or if he did, he never said he knew. Right. I never, you know, brought it out like that.

Now, did it start to make you jealous? Because if you're coping feelings for him and you said that, you were. No, actually, not at all. Surprisingly, I was not, it was just, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it thoroughly. I never got jealous over that. But you feel like you would get jealous of that in your current relationship or our relationships after that.

Oh, absolutely. Interesting. Don't you think that's kind of interesting? It is. You're right. Why? I never thought about it. I have no idea.

I bet you if you did it, you'd be like really fucking into it. And maybe you wouldn't be jealous. Like, I don't know. I'm not saying to go do it and break up your marriage. Don't worry, I'm not. But I know. But I'm just saying, like, I don't know. Like, it's because you were so into it then, and you did sort of start to have feelings for him,

and you weren't jealous at all, right? Right. And you really like it. gotten out of a crazy situation relationship and he opened my eyes to so many wonderful things sexually it's kind of hard not to get feelings for somebody when when doing that you know and yeah yeah no i'm not saying anything's weird about having feelings but it was i don't know you know i got another boyfriend after that for a long time and i met this guy and i just hadn't had him with a girl and 14 years.

Now do these guys, right, and now do you have desires to be with women? Sometimes, yeah. Right. Does your guy now, like your husband, how long you've been with your husband for? 14 years. All right. But what about the guy before him? Because you said there was a guy after that that you started to date.

And how long were you with him for? Two and a half years. And now, did he know that you were into women? Are you, I'm sure it eventually comes on? No, he did not. Oh, he did it? No, he didn't. Okay. So then you guys break up. Were you with any women in between him and your husband?

No. And then you meet your husband, the guy. How do you meet him? He was hanging around with a friend of mine, again, a friend. And I had come back from working out of town. Uh-huh. And just, you know, hanging out and stuff. He was really sweet and nice. He was nothing like I had ever known or been with or any type of person or guy. I mean, one guy was, you know, kind of all heavy metal rock rock another guy was it was they were just all different types of guys right i just like to the i mean i love this the the the moment when people meet their person i love those stories because it's like you know those that's the that's the moment that changes like a big part of your life right so yes yes like you do you remember where you were like when you first saw him

oh i know exactly where i was yes right when you first saw him were you like oh my god who's that no actually i wasn't attracted to him at all. That's the best part about it. Right. But what about him? Do you know his sort of story? Did he know when he saw you? Yes. Yes. Apparently he had met me.

I'm sorry to say this. Wait, I got to cut you up once again. I just have to say, men are the pickers. It's the, oh, I say this on my podcast plenty of times. I, I, it's the only, women are so intuitive with everything, but they they don't, they don't

have it for the guy, the guy, that's the only part of life that men are intuitive. It's when they see the woman they're going to mind. They fucking know. I've heard it. Like I think Johnny Depp said he saw his wife across the way he saw her back. He's like, I saw her back. And I was like, who owns that?

Who's the part of that back? Like, I mean, and I've heard it a million times from regular people. So it's like I always love it. So it's like, and it's not uncommon that you would say, oh, isn't it weird? Like I didn't even really like him. But it was more that I knew you were going to say he knew because that's, that's that's how it normally goes guys guys know it's the only thing they're really really fast too yeah so he he always says like when he first saw you he was like oh that's

the girl i'm going to get or that's mother girl well basically i was dating the guy before him the the guy i had been with for two years yeah and um we had come into a bar to see my mom and my friend hung out with my mom and this guy and i had been traveling a lot with work. This was the time that I was in town. And I had walked into this bar and he had asked our mutual friend, he goes, who is that? And our mutual friend says, oh, that's such and such as daughter. And he was like, damn, she's hot. And after that, he pursued me. Right. So there you go. The minute you walked in. And so he wasn't like your typical type, right? Is that what you said? Right. And I didn't, I didn't even recognize him or remember meeting him that time. Why, when did he, when did you wind up meeting him

again after that? Like, what was it? The first time I recognized him, me and that guy for two years had just broken up. And it had been about a month, a month and a half. And I went to this beach. My mom was trying to get me out of the house.

So we went to this beach. And he was there with his friends and all their other coworkers and stuff like that. We started playing Frisbee hanging out. He became a friend for like two weeks. Right. And then, yeah. And then you guys started dating.

And then how long? because you said you weren't really that intimate at first, but he just wooed you his way. Yes. Because he was such a good guy. Yeah, but I was not a very good girl. What do you mean? See, this is why I got to keep asking you, question. Yes, yes, yes. I was pretty wild by this time.

You know, it's been after the guy I worked with, then that guy, I was pretty, I was out there. what do you mean I mean I was a party girl I would go out and get drunk I'd just go you know I was just partying it up having a good old time Well you also just came out of a relationship So maybe you were like acting out a little bit

Because when you're with relationships When you were with that guy for two and a half years You were just with him right You didn't have three sons You guys weren't out there You weren't like crazy right It was probably you always do your craziest things When you break up with somebody

Right Right Right yes it is Right. So you're still acting out. I mean, it was really, when you met him, this guy, right? It was very short time after that ending of the two and a half year relationship. Yes. Yes. So you probably were still getting over that guy. And now how did that relationship end? Was it mutual? Oh, it was not. It was not okay. He had cheated and, yeah, he had cheated. And I had come home from working and found out.

that he had cheated and then he left to go be with that girl. Oh, God. Yeah, that's not good. So, yeah, two and a half months after that, I mean, you're not, the reason why you were doing everything you were doing, not because you're a party girl, okay? It was because you were...

You were a hurt girl. You were upset and you were going to fucking act out and that happens a lot. Guys do it, girls do it, you know, you don't know. It's very hard to sit with that kind of pain and not do something, especially when you're young. You know what I mean?

I think when you get older, you have a better sort of grip and you can just fucking cry and that's it. But like, I mean, I was, I was, I was 20, 23 when it ended. Yeah. Oh, my God. You were just, you were acting, you were freaked out. Yeah. And you were free, you were really hurt. You had something really horrendous happened to you.

You didn't know what the fuck to do to yourself. So you went a little, you went a little crazy. So this guy's trying to date you. And what did you do while he was trying to date you? Um, well, he was being nice hanging out. And I actually initiated the whole situation. We were hanging out at one of our local bars. And we were drinking.

And I had suggested, like I said, I'd become a wild girl. My boobs were out everywhere, flashing folks. It was a good time. Yeah. And I was drinking and I was helping the bartender clean up. We knew the owner and stuff like that. And I was like, topless cleaning. So we take off our shirts.

Right. We're cleaning. and it's him, his friend, the owner, and another gentleman that the owner knew, and we're drunk. Then, I don't know how it went this far, me and the bartender start stripping on top of the bar. I am dancing for my guy now, my husband. And it's going on and on and having a good old time. And I crawl up in his lap. And I was like, are you taking me home tonight?

And he said, yep. And we went home and fucked our brains out and it just kind of went from there. So there you go. That was not bad. That's not bad. I thought you were going to say that you like, he was trying to sort of date you and you were like outbanging other people, not that interested.

Really what you're saying is like you were like parting and just looking to sleep around and you wound up sleeping with him and it was like fucking great. And then you continued to date. Yes. Right. Yes. Exactly. Yeah, that's not a bad story.

I mean, and that's like, listen, what's the best way to get over somebody is to get another person, right? So, you know, you started this relationship with him, right? And then that probably really helped you get over the other guy. Oh, absolutely. It took me a minute to be 100% into it. But, I mean, the situation, like I said, our situation moved really, really fast. Right. So literally a month after we start dating.

I end up pregnant. So it was like, whew, it took off like a rocket. It's crazy how it all worked out, but it did. So you're dating, but did you know,

so when you start sleeping with him and then, I mean, does he tell you right off the bat like he just wants to be with you and like he wants to date you and this is a thing, like, right?

Is that what happened? Yes. So I was bartending. Yeah. And he would come up and hang out at the bar and then I'd go home with him and we'd hook up or,

you know, call each other every other night. And I went to the rest of, I come back and he's like, check your cigarettes. And I said, okay, so I opened up my cigarettes and inside of the cigarette, he wrote with a pen, I love you. And I freaked out. I like, slam the cigarettes. I was like, are you crazy?

Right. Then I leave again and he walks out and he goes, never mind, scratched it out on the cigarettes box and said, never mind. Oh, yeah, maybe it was those really good blow jobs you were giving him. here's the here's the kicker there's a kicker yeah uh-oh i never got my mouth around his stick until three months after we started dayton he said he did not like blow drops he said he never had a good one he was not into him interesting so you had an even so he really he really loved you for you i was thinking like you probably was giving him those like great blowjaws right that's why he's like i love you you know yeah and well

was weird he was completely opposite of me. When we're out in the bars and hanging out and stuff, I am everywhere, I'm a social butterfly, I'm hanging out, I'm making friends, and he's the type of person who just sits back in the corner and watches the atmosphere. He's not really out there or anything.

It was, I don't know how he put up with me. Poor guy. You were probably interesting to him, but that's probably what he likes. He's probably like one of those, I think that that's a really good match, because you probably entertained him, and that's what he probably liked. You gave him something to do while he was sitting there doing being, you know, the way he likes to be, right?

Right. I'm covered in tattoos. He's got none, no piercing. You know, it's just complete opposites. Yeah, but I think that that's not. Yeah, I think that works a lot of the time. I mean, I think sometimes people that are very similar could get along too, but I think sometimes, especially if it's like extreme personalities, like opposites,

do work really well together. So when he tells you, he loves you, you're like a little freaked out, right? because you're still just out of something, you're having a good time, whatever. Oh, yeah. When did you start falling for him? When you got pregnant? Or no, after that.

When you had the baby, when your baby was one? Put it this way. I didn't tell him. I loved him back until I was six months pregnant. Right. So it was just kind of, I kept my stuff packed. And when I found out I was pregnant, I was supposed to never be able to have children.

I have some, you know, physical situations. I was producing apparently sterile eggs from years of this birth control shot. I went to the doctor and we were having I was having a ton of issues in there. Oh, okay. And they were doing tests trying to figure out. Like I had a hysterectomy really young.

I had reproductive problems. Oh, wow. And you had a hysterectomy before this. No, no, no. Oh, okay. You've had it since. Oh, okay, right, right. After I had her and stuff like that.

So you had all kinds of Vagg problems that and you were like going to the doctor. I mean, obviously you weren't trying to get pregnant so it wasn't you weren't looking for that but they were checking things out. Oh, interesting. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So in my head, I thought I would never be a mom.

Oh my God. That's, oh, but because I was going to say to you like what, what, like what made you keep the baby. You know what I mean? It was, I mean, it's like, yeah. For you that was like, oh, my God. Like you, you had given up hope that you would ever even be able to have a baby. So that you were pregnant must have been really.

I was tripping. I was tripping, literally tripping. He took me to the doctor. It was when the flu was going around. Yeah. And there was like the vaccines weren't working. People were getting super sick. I'm on the job site.

I'm working. I'm throwing up, throwing up all day for like two weeks. And my doctor says, go get checked out. It's like, go to the hospital. He takes me because, you know, we're kind of hanging out and all. He picks me up, takes me to the hospital. And I go back there and they draw your blood. You're taking your temperature.

And they come back. and they said, they take your urine. Well, they told me I was pregnant. And I was like, I'm sorry. I think you've got the wrong room. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The doctor's like, oh, and he turns around, he walks back out. He comes back in and he says, you're who you are.

And I said, yeah. He says, well, you're pregnant. And I was freaking. I didn't know how to feel. Like, my heart's in my stomach. I'm tripping out. So I asked them to ask the gentleman to come into the room that's waiting outside. that he comes in.

Yeah. And I start listing off every reason in the book why this guy should not, don't worry about it. You don't have to be here. I know we just start dating. I've got this. I won't give you, you know, just kind of.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just letting him know that you'll have the baby, but you don't, it doesn't have to be you and him together. Yeah, yeah. Because you don't know that he wants a fucking baby. Like, I mean, it's like a man. We've probably been hanging out for a month.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, crazy. Yeah. It's like, holy. shit, what's going on? So I'm going, da-da-da-da-da, and I said, well, just say something. And he goes, wow. And that's it. That's all he said.

And he stuck around and he made these plans. He told me I had to move in. I moved in, but I kept all my stuff packed just in case it didn't work out. I could just grab my stuff. Wait, but how happy was your mother? She wasn't. Oh, she wasn't? Did she know that you were supposedly not supposed to be able to?

Yes, yes. My father and my stepmother were completely ecstatic. They were saying things like, you know, you just got it. God's got miracles, you know, stuff like that. If it's meant to be, it's going to be kind of thing. They were very supportive. My mother was not very happy in the beginning. She said, I shouldn't have told him. We should handle this on our own. It's a family problem. Kind of thing. It was, it was a mess in the beginning. Right. But once the baby came, right, things changed. Right. Right. So he just hung around. So six months into your pregnancy, you realize, like, you love this, this is your guy. Yes. And now, did you have one baby? Did you have any other kids after that? No, I never had any more. I ended up happen to have some surgeries, and they took some tubes first, and then they took an ovary,

and then they just took the whole thing. So a full hysterectomy, I only have the one. Yeah, that's crazy. But you know what? Do you have a boy or a girl? I have a girl. But look, you have a daughter. Like, how amazing you that.

She's wonderful. It's been a blessing. She saved my life. She calmed me down. She's been wonderful. Yeah. And like, I mean, that's like, listen, this is what I love about doing my show, right? You're going to supposed to call in to talk about blow jobs. And look at this whole story.

Like, it's just a, it's such an, I don't know. I find people fascinating. Like, I find your whole, right? Oh, absolutely. That's I love your podcast. Just to hear different people's perspective. and lives, it's amazing. It's so cool. Yeah, like, look at this twisty, turny, awesome story. And I love that it really does have a really happy ending. As somebody that went through a lot of

infertility problems to have a child and it took me really a long time, I could always, like, the thought of like somebody being told that they can't have a baby and it's just like, you sat with that for a hot minute. I mean, you were really super young, but I think that that's like a really devastating thing to happen to somebody. Well, absolutely, because my girlfriends were having babies at this time. And the funny part is my, my best friend, I held her daughter. And I was like, God, I want one. And here, I was with the guy, my guy now, I was like, I want one. Nine months later, I had my daughter. Wow. So you didn't, were you not even pregnant yet when you said I want one? I guess it happened right after because our kids are, all of our kids are nine months apart.

Right. So I had my daughter. Yeah. She held her and was like, oh, I want another one. Nine months later. she got another kid. Wow. These are like the miracle babies. They're really listening to you. You know what I mean? That's crazy. So I just like,

that's what I was in touching. I mean, that's like the best story ever. And then how long, did you guys get married while you were pregnant? Did you get married after your baby, after your daughter was born?

Oh, years later. Years later. I mean, it's only, we've been together 14 years. We've only been married for three. Right. That's great.

Why did you even decide to get married? so many years later? I don't know. Was it his idea or yours? Was it your daughters? Yes, I was about to say that. It's kind of my kid's idea. Yeah.

So when we were just like, okay, why not? And just went ahead and went down to the courthouse and handled it. Right. Well, what a great story. Like seriously. Like what an interesting, like I said, crazy, interesting story. I thought it was going to be about blow jobs, but it turned out to be about like a lot more and then some.

You know what I mean? And that's why I said. Like I just like, I mean, I prefer to get on a call with somebody knowing as little as possible. When you first email me and I said be on my show, I thought like I might not get anything from this person. You know, who knows, right? But the reason I do my show is I think if you like really interview anybody and really sort of talk to them and ask a million questions, like people are interesting. And you're very good at it, might I say. Yeah.

Well, because I'm naturally curious. I'm not trying to like ask you questions that I think people would like. It's like these are the questions I want to know. I like I'm interested in how life goes and how like people are. You know, so for me it's just my natural curiosity. And like I said, I do it because this is like what real life is about. It's like messy. It's complicated.

It's amazing. It's hard. Yeah. It's a lot of different things. It's a great journey. Yeah. Yeah. So, but this was like a great story.

And I'm happy because it has. has a great ending. You'll probably, I would hope that maybe one day you'll be able to hook up with a girl again one day, but me, if not, who cares? Like you're, you know. And that's kind of where I'm at. I'm not, it's not a big, like I said, it's been a long time and I used to wish for girls, but I'm content.

And me and him are pretty crazy and adventurous ourselves. So he definitely keeps me entertained. Right. It meaning like just with yourselves, like as far as what you guys do and you're regular life. Yeah, sexually. are in our sex life, yes. Right. You guys do all kinds of kinky things with each other. Right. Anything we need to discuss? No, it's just basic stuff. You know, a little hair pull and some ass snacking and toys and, you know, just, you know, regular.

But, I mean, listen, after 14 years and a child, like the fact that it's still hot and you're still having fun is like, you know, you're pretty fucking lucky. You right? It's awesome. Yeah, that's great. What a good story, Amy. Thanks so much for calling in and telling me it. I don't know what I'm going to fucking title it, but I'll figure out something good. But I'm glad everything worked out. Thanks. I appreciate it.

Thanks so much for calling it. It wasn't so bad, right? No, not so bad. I was definitely really, really, really nervous there for quite some time. Yeah, and wait till, let me just tell you, wait till you hear it back. It's going to be even more interesting. Like, you'll see. Like, whenever people listen to their episodes are always like, wow, it's like better than I expected.

It's going to be a great episode. and I'll probably air it this Sunday. So stay tuned. Okay, thanks, Amy. Thanks for calling you. You have a good one. You too. Bye.

Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story.

There's a cuck story. There's a gang being girl story. Like I said, 17 stories. And they're all told in the third person. And they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person. And I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like Penthouse letter.

It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories. 17 of them. They're really short chapters, easy read. You could read one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format. And finally, the audiobook is available coming out August 25th. But you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it. it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint. Okay. There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay. I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other. And that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you can win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord.

It's private, like I said. All you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the ebook or the paperback. Send it to me at Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com. That's strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com. And I will send you the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in.