Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 274 - Jeff Turned his Pantyhose Fetish into a Successful Social Media Platform

Episode Date: March 11, 2019

Jeff (episode #273) calls in again to discuss how he turned his pantyhose fetish into a successful social media platform by posting pics of his wife in pantyhose. Where did he start posting his pics at first and where does he post them now? What kind of pics does he post and how did he get so many “likes”? How did he eventually monetize the success of his online while remaining totally anonymous? Tune in to find out plus hear all about his own pantyhose fetish, how it played into his success, how they once got caught by people they know and how that played out and a whole lot more. **Also, are you interested in winning a free pair of his wife’s pantyhose? All you have to do is find his pantyhose account online. Details in the intro, clues throughout the episode** **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I have him back on. Right after we taped his first episode, he was the Jehovah Witness, who him and his wife turned into swingers. They went from that to being swingers over time. That was a really great episode. But I realized at the end of that call that, I totally forgot about his whole Pantyhose fetish

and how he started taking pictures of his wife in Panyos and posted them online on Tumblr and turned it into like a big, and got like a really large presence and following on there. and they've been super successful at that. So I was like, oh my God, let's do a whole other podcast, just talking about that. And that's what this is.

This is Jeff talking about how he turned his fattish for pantyhoes into a successful online story or a successful online platform. I don't know what the fuck. Sometimes I don't know what I'm saying, but I don't want to start over and tape this. So I'm just going to keep going. He was like, really into pantyhose.

He couldn't find what he wanted online. So he created with his wife and then he started posting that stuff online and he, it turned out that people were, there was a lot of people just like him that really fucking liked what he was doing. And he started to get a lot of likes, a lot of followers. And they have a huge online presence now. And they started to monetize it recently. We talk about all that kind of stuff.

So this is like, we'll be interesting podcast for people that like are into pantyhose and they can hear about how he turned. it into something that he makes money but it's also like interesting for anybody that's interested and sort of creating their own online social media platform to hear how it sort of happened and how it goes and how you can eventually make some money doing it. At the end of this all, because his Instagram account is currently locked and private, I was like, and he didn't want to give information on his Tumblr or his Instagram account, but he gave a lot of clues in the episode of that, well, I think they're clues because I always think like a detective. So I was like,

I sort of propositioned him at the end of the podcast to do a contest for the strictly anonymous listeners. And the contest is this. Anybody who's able to find him either on Tumblr, but I'm sure if you find the Tumblr or you could find the Instagram, anyone that could find him on Tumblr, Instagram, send him a direct message and tell him that you figured it out and you're a strictly anonymous podcast listener and he will send you a free pair of his wife's personalized panheels. She'll wear them all day. She'll take a picture. She'll send them to you so you know for sure that you wore them all day and those will be yours for free for figuring out and being the first person that finds them online through the things that he says on this podcast. I think it's possible. I'm like I

want to do it too but I can't win the contest right um though I don't know anything more than you guys know um but that's the contest try to figure it out we talk more about that at the end so there's like more details but I think like what I just said is basically it uh go fucking find him um but before you do that listen to the whole episode so you could get clues and hear all about his whole panty house fetish i'll be right back on with chat when we last spoke I realized like right at the end you're the Jehovah Witness guy who like was a Jehovah Witness right I think the title was like you used to be a Jehovah Witness now you're swingers and it's like and that was like a big jump right but on your first episode we talked all about like that stuff but then I remembered right at the end that you had this

whole panty hose thing and what and that's like a fetish of yours and you it turned into something that you and your wife sort of turned into a website right like or are you joined a fetish website or you created some social media presence I don't know we have to get it. into it because I forgot to bring it up right on that podcast and I'm like let's just do a second episode and talk about that because Pany Hose is a very hot topic I always get people emailing me from those episodes and I want to hear all about how your wife became uh sort of a big presence right like she's got like thousands of followers and stuff on this website that you guys created for her right I mean, to explain that.

Yeah, well, she's got, so we actually, we were on a Tumblr, which is social media platform, you know, Tumblr. So we were on there, and we were really pretty casual about it, laid back. And I can kind of go way back into how I got into the panty hose thing. It's been a thing for me always. But it's also been a thing for me to show her off in panty hose. and and so like when she was younger she used to wear you know like when Ellie McBeal was on TV she had a really short skirts to work and panty hose or thigh highs and I loved that stuff but maybe a couple years ago two three years ago I

started I started a Tumblr dedicated to pictures of her and her pinoes and it was really for myself because I wanted to show her off right but there's something about you because listen, you're a swinger. If people want to hear all about what you and your wife do, they could listen to your first episode and I'll have that number in the description and everything. But you do like to see your wife like fuck other people and stuff. So it's probably like a part of that whole thing, right?

Like having your girl sort of desired by somebody else is like a turn on for you. Yeah, I think it is. And I think like this, you know, long before we had ever experienced anything as far as a threesome goes or with another couple or you know as I said before we're really more of an open relationship opened in your experiences as kind of our situation before any of that happened uh I really did like to show her off like like I loved when she went to work I was always pushing her to wear shorter skirts and thigh highs with them and she worked at that time and she she she wouldn't do that now she's moved way beyond that in her profession she couldn't do that now

but then she worked in office with all guys she was the only girl It was kind of a laid back atmosphere. And yeah, she would, you know, to oblige me mostly, she would wear like these really short med skirts and thigh highs. And I just love the fact that I knew it was driving these guys nuts. You know, she was in her 20s then. And she looks great now still. Yeah.

She looked great. She looked great then. And I love that aspect of her showing herself up. And she wasn't, you know, she wasn't, she wasn't, you know, like I hate to use this word, it's an awful word, but she wasn't. and isn't a slody person. She doesn't dress that way normally. She's more conservative, especially back then.

Yeah. I remember how she was in the beginning. Right. She wouldn't even get blow jobs. Right. No, she didn't, yeah, not, she does know. Yeah. Yeah.

So, but I love that, you know, I could get her to wear a short skirt and show off her legs and I always thought she looked great in pannios. And a lot of, a lot of the episodes that I've heard, you talk about, Well, pannios, the ones I've heard anyway, I'm sure there's ones they haven't. The guys are talking about how they like to wear pantyos. And this is a whole different thing. I'm into women wearing pannios and seeing women wearing pantyos and seeing women wearing pantyos and seeing women in short scroats and getting a glimpse of like the lace on the top of a thigh high or the control top of pannios. That part you're not supposed to see that really turns me on.

And I love for my wife to do that. short slit up the skirt and it's like that thing you're not supposed to be able to see and it's a huge turn on not just to be able to see that for me but when other men can see that on my wife it's wicked hot to me right is it a tactile thing for you too do you like the feel of it because I hear that a lot from a lot of the panty hose guys yes I do I love the feel of it I love it like during sex it's a great if she's got thigh eyes on or if she's got pantyose on there just pull down enough that I can get in there. Yeah, I really love that. But it's not just that. It's the visual is more than that, probably. And for years, I was scouring the web looking for Peno's pictures,

and I was looking at porn on the web. That was one of the things and the biggest thing that I wanted to see. But like a lot of the, it's a big part of, there's all different categories, but Piano's styles. It's a big thing on the web. It's got its own presence. But a lot of it didn't work for me. It wasn't what I wanted. It was like it seemed like they were models and it was overproduced and they were pictures taken in a studio somewhere and it seemed fake and that didn't turn me up. Right. You wanted amateur. You like amateur porn. You wanted like the real deal. Yeah. And I wanted and not even porn, but just like real women in Panyos in real situations. Right. At home or at the office or in the mall. or on the street where their legs are crossed and you can see way up or, you know, their shoes are off and you can see there. It's just there's something about, it's almost like panos are an extension of underwear. And it seems like it's something.

It looks shimmery and girly and silky. And at the same time, if you see a little bit too much of it, it's like you're seeing something you shouldn't. And so there's a turn on there. Right. So like, so like I, it's out there. most of what's out there is, you know, if you search, you know, if you search pornography, Pinoos, you get women fucking in Panyos and porn. That's not what I wanted. Right. And, and I knew, like on the sites that I went to, I could tell the stuff I liked was the most

popular stuff. It was the stuff people that like Panyos like. Yeah. I knew. I was learning over 10 or 15 years just being a consumer of it, what seemed to work. So when I said, started to take pictures of my wife, I knew I was getting those pictures. I was getting the stuff that I liked that I was looking for on the internet of my wife. And then you figured other people will like it too, right? Like it's got to be. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And that would be a turn on for me if, you know, I could put it out there. And there was. Yeah, that's win-win for you. Win-win, yeah. And back way, you know, I don't know how long ago, but there was a site where it was really rudimentary and basically the only thing the website did is categorized pictures there was no

flock to it at all right you submitted your pictures and they stuck it in a category or you you know you labeled it the category and that's when it was a nurse picture you put it in nurses and it went in there and it was a 18 year old girl picture you put it in that gray way it was Asian that goes in that category yeah any other goes in that category and that was like the way this whole website it was just submitted pictures that was it and I was submitting pictures to her back then and her pictures always got like reposted by other people and I was like this is I was I knew I was on to something right so eventually I started this tumbler and started putting her pictures up and and Tumblr you can't see how many followers other people have you

only know how many you have oh okay interesting yeah so it's like on Facebook you can see if somebody's got you know 2,000 friends you see that 2,000 friends on instagram if they've got 5,000 followers you see that on tumbler you don't you don't know But Tumblr, if you put a picture up, other people can reuse your picture without copying it and then putting it on theirs. They can just reuse it. And Tumblr tells you whenever that happens and keeps track of it. Oh, interesting. So you could see how many people are like into your picture and then sharing it with others.

Right. And then let me ask you this. Say I take your picture off. You see that I clicked on it, right? You see I count as one, right? If I then send it to 10 people, do you get those 10 other? people or no like do you see those two Instagram it's like Instagram and Facebook it's like the like button it records the like button and it records it on

your picture continually no matter how many people share it so if if I put it on my tumbler and I get a hundred likes that's a hundred but if a hundred other people share it on their tumbler yeah they count those hundred chairs but then they count all the likes they do you do get those other TED right you do get I get them all yeah oh interesting So you could really see. You could really track it. Yeah, exactly.

It just accumulates. So you could put a picture up there and you may only have a thousand followers, but it might eventually get 3,000 hits on it, which are either shares or likes. Yeah. So I kind of got off on this thing where, you know, some of her pictures, there was really getting, and I'd get a lot of messages on them and people saying how much they liked them and just a lot of re-shares. And that was cool for me. That was a turnout.

I liked it. And your wife? What about your wife? Like I'm assuming, because I know your relationship, you guys are very open with each other and cool and like, you know, on the same page. So I know she was on board with this and wanted this, but was it a turn on for her? Were she doing it for you? She was doing it for me. She was totally aware of it. Okay.

And a willing participant. But no, it doesn't really turn her on. She didn't get off on it at all. But she didn't mind. She's the model, right? She's the model, right? And even at first, I didn't show her face. Yeah.

Oh, you do now? I do now. Oh, interesting. Go a little slower. Okay. So, wait, so you get all these likes, right? Like, let me ask you this. When you first started putting the stuff up, you're on Tumblr, right?

Does your stuff sort of hit immediately, or did it just take a little while and then you started to see it, like, grow and grow? like what was the how did it progress you know I I guess I don't remember the numbers because you know like when you're first starting out um in anything you have zero followers and zero likes on anything yeah if you get a few hundred that seems awesome well then once you're getting a thousand to two thousand that number wouldn't seem like much but it doesn't matter because at the beginning I was getting numbers that seemed impressive to me whatever they were yeah you're right yeah that's like my

podcast. I did I've done that with my podcast. So you're just like so excited for the little stuff you get in the beginning. Right. Right. And so I'd put these pictures out there and whatever I got at the time. I was like, wow, this is, I was right. I'm on to something. This works. Yeah. These pictures, you know, these pictures are good. And at first, like I've taken pictures of her for a long time since before cell phone cameras. I'm like our 35 millimeter camera before digital cameras even and and kept them. And then and so I have this, you know, I have a bolt on my phone. like everybody else, you know, and we're in the code to get to it, you know, like the calculator code, like the secret vault. And I've got this vault of pictures of her that I've taken over the years. And so when I first went on Tumblr, it was like these pictures that I had taken over the course of maybe eight years. Yeah. Well, then I used them all up pretty quickly. The ones I have were all up there and liked and I needed new material. So that's when we started more so than ever before she would actively pose for me. She would get dressed up.

You start taking new ones, right. Put on pantios just for the purpose of whereas before she was dressed nice. She had pantyos on her thigh highs. Maybe she was dressed for the bedroom and like a sexy dress that she wouldn't really wear in public but she would wear it for me. I'd snap a picture and I keep it. Well,

once we started doing this thing and I needed new material and she does not enjoy modeling. She does not like being in front of the camera. She doesn't like being the center of attention. But again, she was a willing participant. Uh-huh.

So we started, you know, doing, you know, we'd take an hour and a half or whatever and give a bunch of pictures. Quick question. Does this Tumblr still exist? The Tumblr does still exist. Do you want to give people the name? I don't. Okay.

I understand. I'm not going to give out it that in the Tumblr, we don't even use them more. We've moved on to a different social, well, we've moved on to Instagram. honestly when and we'll get into this later I think and their algorithm is working for me and it doesn't always and I'll explain why she gets so many new followers so quickly it's ridiculous right when it's not when it's not working it just doesn't happen very fast giving it out I'm sure I would get a boost yeah she doesn't need that she's getting plenty right okay and that would just make it more likely that we would get exposed and we really don't want to yeah I got it uh-huh yeah so anyways so the tumbler's still exists. But what happened is, so the Tumblr was successful, and maybe we'll talk more about that. October of this past year, 2018, Tumblr changed their rules suddenly, and they no longer allowed adult content. They basically decided, Apple actually dumped them from their platform, from their app store, because of child pornography.

Oh, gosh. Yeah. So, because fucking assholes that put pictures of kids up, I mean, yeah. Yeah. So Tumblr decided they're basically going to go to the Facebook slash Instagram model of no nipples, no, buts, you know, no close-ups of bots, no, really pretty strict rules as far as nudity goes and exposing nudity in adult content. Well, I believe 75% of Tumblr's traffic was people looking at pornography. Right. And I was one of them. I was looking at Panyos pictures on Tumblr. That was where I found the best source of Panyos pictures was, the kind that I wanted to see. Right.

So they changed their rules. They announced it ahead of time. And around that same time, I guess I kind of went out of order here, because putting these pictures off, one of the most popular questions we got was, will you sell your used pantyhose? Oh, interesting. Yeah, that's a thing. Yeah, a big thing. Yeah.

A lot. And we didn't because we didn't want to give out our identity. So how do you get paid if you don't give all your identity? And how do you send something through the postal service? I think you could do that. Well, you can, but you've got to learn how you got to figure it all out. I hope you're going to tell me that you have figured it out. We have.

Yeah, we have. Yeah. But that was a whole process because, you know, you don't know until you do something. If I take money on PayPal, does the other person get my address? Do they know because you've got to give PayPal your address? Right. And with a PO box, you know, how does that work? What can be traced?

What can't be traced if I, it's just you have to learn in the whole process. So we had so many requests through Tumblr. To buy. Yeah. To buy them. Yeah. To buy the people to buy that we decided at some point, this is, this will be fun. It'll be interesting.

Not because we needed the money because we don't. And not because that was a turn on from. wife because it's not. But just because there was a demand. There's the demand. It's interesting. It's an interesting new thing. Yeah, I want to know what those numbers are, like how much you could make. So well, and so did I.

So kind of trying to figure it out. And so whenever somebody would really engage her, like you can direct message on Tumblr, like other hats. And she was always great about whatever they said, fine. They want to send dick pics. She'll say thank you. Yeah. She's not turning her on to see somebody's. But she's not going to block them because of it.

That turns them on to show their dick, so what? Or if they say something crude or crass, well, obviously they're using these pictures as a form of pornography. If they want to say something crude because that's their thing, so what? She would just be like, good for you or thank you. And if they asked, is it okay? So that she always say, say what if you want. You know, she never cared. And guys really liked that.

So then once they would kind of start to engage with her and ask about, buying pantos, we would kind of start to feel them out a little bit. You know, she would be like, well, what if I said $50 a pair? And they'd be like, I'll take three. And so you're like, wow, okay. So there you go. You know, you kind of start to establish, okay, well, we could charge this much. And these are painos that are done.

They're running them. They're never getting worn again. They're getting thrown out. Whatever we paid for them, it doesn't matter. They're garbage now. Yeah, but for them, it's like them buying a sex toy. right? It's like people, right? That's what it's like. Yeah.

They're going to jerk off to this. So over like a year, we kind of went back and forth about, okay, how do we get set up? What are we going to do? Are we going to do it? We decided to do it. We figured out the PayPal. We figured out the PO box. We bought, you know, stuff to wrap them in, envelopes to mail them in, stationary for her to write a note on. Yeah. We came up with a name for her, which we didn't have. Mm-hmm. Because we knew that that would help by people to identify with her. and it did

that helped a lot so we kind of did all that we got all ready and that's like when we were finally just ready to say we will sell that's when Tumblr changed their rules oh god wait real quick though at that point when you left Tumblr

and they sort of changed the rules and you were getting all these hits how many what was your numbers that like what were your numbers at that point 7000 followers right and And of the 7,000, a lot were, like, you could tell they were pretty engaged followers. Right.

And a lot of comments, a lot of messages, a lot of shares. They weren't just, you know, people that had clicked on it and forgotten about it. They were, it was an active fan base. And this is built up only over a couple of years. Right. And with nothing else, with no. Right. No advertising.

No putting really trying. No trying. We would go a month or two at a time without post. a picture. It was just really rudimentary. It was really just happened on its own really easily. Well, it was because you were putting, like, I think you were smart. You saw that there was like this space open, right, that wasn't filled. And you knew that it would, like, nowadays, what the internet really shows you is like, if you like it, other people do, right? We always used to think we were so unique or the only one, right? Now we, we realize, like, no, if there's you, there's, like,

many people, right? So you realize the stuff that you like isn't fucking out there. So why don't you create it? And then all the people that are into that too will find it. There's probably other people looking for that too. And you created that. And you were right. I was right. And it is out there. It does exist. And I don't know why there's not more of it because you can see that where it exists, it's really popular. Right. There's a girl on Instagram. She's beautiful. She's young. Yeah. And whoever a photographer is, is doing a great job. I don't know how long she's been on Instagram, but she's a Panyos model, basically. She doesn't show herself naked ever. It's always in clothes. She doesn't even show her

butt in Panyos. She's very conservative about what she shows. She has over a half a million followers on Instagram. Wow. That's a big number for a non-celebrity who is not doing pornography. There are other platforms that you can go to that would help to promote the whole thing. She's on saw them. She's got a website where she sells like a cookbook or something. But this girl has over a half million dollars and she's not alone. It's a big thing. Yeah. So we saw that and we knew that. And Instagram was really where it was at. Yeah. Except we're on Instagram. We have, we have our own accounts on Instagram and everybody we know does. And so we were afraid to go on Instagram because she's going to get found out, right? Yeah. And on Tumblr, we felt pretty safe.

fake name. At that point of Tumblr, were you putting her face up too? Because I know that you said in the beginning you didn't. So you did start to put her face up and you were totally cool with like it and felt like no one's ever going to see her. Right. That's a little ballsy. And we weren't doing, there's no nudity either. Right.

So you didn't care. If somebody did see it, it's like she would lose her job. She may lose some credibility. I mean, she's the boss. Yeah. So, yeah, she could lose some. credibility. But she's the boss.

She's not naked. Yeah. She's, you know, it's something that she enjoys. I enjoy. We're doing it together. It's not hurting anybody.

We could survive. Friends, family, coworkers finding out, but we don't want that to happen. Okay. So you switched to Instagram or this, you were thinking about, I mean,

you were saying like you guys had it, but you were a little nervous at first. Yeah, but we, yeah, so we were real nervous about it, but we decided, we lost the audience on Tumblr.

entirely. Yeah. Yeah. Not 100%, but we went from like overnight, and literally overnight, one day everything is great. The next day we are going from getting a couple thousand shares in a picture to a couple hundred. Wow. That's a big difference.

People just left in droves. They just left Tumblr. And you can still put the content up. We could still put the same stuff up we did before. They're really weird with their algorithm that block stuff that they shouldn't block. So some of our pictures will get blocked. that shouldn't and you got to go through a review process. It just became like we were all ready to start selling and the whole thing collapsed.

Right. So we decided we would give it a try on Instagram and we would. So I set it up so that I didn't use my phone number to not connect it to my account, but I set it up through my device, not hers. So that her device is not connected to her account because they connect shit through devices, you know, it's owned by Facebook and they connect everything. They know what they're doing. So if you have a anybody with any type of Google account, you can get a phone number.

You get phone calls, you get emails, you can get texts, whatever you want through your phone number. So we set up a Google Voice phone number, use that for our account, which, this is only interesting, I guess, to people that want to set up somebody by account like this to make money. but it doesn't really work. People still find you. We got found out eventually, but we'll get into that later too. Yeah, I like those stories. I've gone forward.

So, yeah, so we started the Instagram account. We used the same name. So we promoted it on Tumblr so that our Tumblr people could jump over with us. And so like I said, that was October of this year. The Tumblr changed the rules, the last year, rather. December, we started on Instagram. So December 2018, we start, zero father. $0.0 anything.

So you're talking four months ago. Yep. Okay. Yeah. And so at the same time, we put the account up, we put up an Amazon wish list, which you can make a wish list on Amazon and not reveal your identity or your address. People can buy stuff from it and send it to you as a gift. Yeah. If you're careful anyways, and you only select things that Amazon sells, not other sellers.

Anyways, so we went for it kind of all once. of all once we decided okay we're going to give this trial we started the account we said we would sell pantyos we started an email with her name on it um so people could email for information about that and we put the wish list up and we started putting basically the same pictures off from tumbler kind of reusing those pictures yeah so and how great because you have like you don't even have to do you don't probably didn't like you had so many pictures on tumbler that you could start posting now on Instagram, right? Because you're going to get all new people seeing stuff, but they didn't see your old content, right? So you could like repost, right? You didn't have to do all new stuff.

Right. So I was able to use those old pictures. So maybe there was, maybe there was, and we did up the quality a little bit. And we got more conservative with what she was willing to show. Right. On Instagram, because they'll, they'll dump you. In fact, eventually they probably will dump us. Right. But if they think at all, it's adult in nature, they just dump you. It happens all the time to people that aren't breaking their rules. but it is adult in nature. And so they just dump them. So we got more.

So we couldn't use all our pictures. And some of them weren't the same, the level of quality that I wanted for Instagram because I got better at this. So maybe I had 40 pictures, 50 pictures from Tumblr to use that were good, solid pictures that worked. And so I decided, okay, we're going to post a picture a day. And we're going to see what happens where it goes. Yeah.

So, so we can cover all. the details that happened in between December and now, but we're at 10,000 followers now. And without doing anything, because I've just posting one picture a day. You didn't like pay for any any, like you didn't do anything to optimize or anything of that shit, right? Nope, we am pay for anything. But so we, we could be much higher, but because I'm not using my phone number, because I'm using that Google account, Google Voice phone number, Instagram knows something's wrong. Their, their system realizes that I'm on this device associated with a different phone number going from one account to another. Interesting, really? Yeah. So what happens is for about three weeks, he posed a picture.

So if I post a picture of her, I want to hashtag all the subjects that people that are into that stuff are going to be able to find her picture. Yeah. So I know the word Panyos in like eight languages. Oh, that's smart, right? Those countries are on Instagram. Yeah. You know, those countries have Instagram and Polish, it's, you know, reshtapy. And so I know I want that word on there. And if you just add fetish to the end of the word Panihoes, tights,

tozerie, any number of words that are associated with Panihose, that's a big hit, too. So I use all these hash, and you can use up to 30. Yeah. So I usually do, so I usually do 29 on every place. and these hashtags people find you, not only do people find you, but Instagram uses those hashtags to decide who they're going to suggest you to. Right. So when you're on Instagram, they'll suggest you might like this person and you assume the normal consumer, it's through your address book on your phone, whose phone numbers you have or who else you're friends with. And that's true.

Or what you're looking at, I would think, too. Or the other thing. Right. That's the other big thing is what you're looking at. So for about a week, maybe eight days, Instagram will be really good about they know all these hashtags that we post under. And so they recommend us to people that follow those. So during that week to eight days that we get of everything working, we gain 2,500 new followers per week. But then what will happen is I'll get a message from Instagram.

I can't get into the account unless I enter my phone number. and then they text me a code to get back in. So they'll say confirm your phone number, which they already have in the system, and I confirm it, they send me a text, I put the text in, I'm back in, but the hashtags don't work for three weeks.

So like if I hashtag one of those pictures, pantyhose, if you click on that, if you click on pantyos, her picture doesn't show up. Oh, weird. For about two to three weeks. And this cycles all the time, the same thing? Yeah.

So then all of a sudden, after about two to three weeks, the gears are grinding behind the scenes. I post a picture every day. I put all the hashtags on every day, every picture, and it doesn't work. But then all of a sudden, it starts to work. And I can tell immediately when it does. Because you get more followers. We start getting 20 to 30 followers per hour. Right.

New followers. And it'll work for a week. And then I'll get that message from Instagram asking me to confirm my number. And it'll stop again. Let me ask you this. Why don't you just get a new number in your name? and everything like a regular number, you know, with a phone, like. Well, if it was, if I was running it as a business, Kathy,

you would, I really wanted to. And we can get into all the ways that you can make money off this. Yeah. For somebody that wants to, you can make, yeah, nobody's going to make a great living doing this, but you could make a living for sure. Somebody could make an actual. And some people do make great living out of it, too. I mean, the top people for sure.

The top people do. Right. But what you're saying, I think, is that you could make an okay living. Wait, but aren't you saying you can make an okay living? You could make an okay living if you, right, by not really doing that much. By not doing that much, you can make an okay living. You have to do more than we're doing, though. Right, but for a lazy person, that's not a bad thing.

As long as you're willing, you have to be willing to put yourself out there. Yeah. If you're not, you can't. You can't make a living. Yeah. In order for me to do that, I would have to have a separate device just for Instagram. Uh-huh. So I would have to have a smartphone or a tablet to use just for Instagram with a phone number associated with it.

Otherwise, or I would have a check down on my regular. In two years, I think you're just going to do that. I just hope you do too. I think you're, why not? I mean, that's not really that hard. Because she doesn't want to be exposed. Oh, right. Because of the way.

There's no reason. This is a fun hobby for us. Mm-hmm. So it's all it is. But let me ask you this. How do you think that you will be exposed? well we already we already were so um and i don't know how i don't know how it happened but somebody came up to me uh about two weeks ago drunk a little bit drunk drunk enough that she said something and she

probably wouldn't have ever said anything to me if she was sober and she uh she made a comment about it she knew it was there and she had been following it for like three weeks okay but why are you so like why don't you know how that happened that girl or that girl's guy is into fucking panios somebody was googling you googling that because that's what they're into somebody else sent her a message about it and said hey don't you know these guys and she said yeah and she said well look at what's on instagram so i don't know how that other person found out um well because people like because a lot of people like that stuff well yeah yeah right i mean is her face in it yes i mean this is listen you sound like one of like a very intelligent person all these things that you're talking about like i mean this is where you lose me you're And I'm like, oh, did you're just smarts go out the window? Your fucking face is in there. It's a small world. You know these things.

You know, that Jim Dush guy that I had on my podcast. One of his friends called him up and like, I heard you on the fucking podcast. He's like, what do you mean you? What are you talking about? He's like, I know that's you. I know your voice. I know, like this has to be you. And it turned out that his friend like pegged him.

And he doesn't have his name on there. It's a small world. A lot of people are into fucking panty-hose. You put her face on there. It's bound to come back to you. So, like, that's where I don't understand. It was really quick. Yeah, you're right.

You're right. I mean, come on. So you can have an open account or a private account. And we want to get followers. So we had an open account. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. Well, we made it private since then. And during, so it's a private account.

You can't see it unless you follow it. So I thought, well, that's going to kill us. Yeah. But the week, we've had a week where their algorithm worked to recommend us. We got as many followers as when we were public, just as many. Right. And you just accepted them. So seven days, seven days we added $2,700. Well, it worked. But, but let me ask you this. What's the difference then of being open and public? So you, you accept all the followers. If I want to infiltrate you, if I'm your neighbor and I'm like, I think they're up to

fucking something. I'll just go to try and follow you. You probably accept everyone, right? Well, no. Not anymore. So what I did, and I should have done this when I first went on Instagram. And so this is good evidence that I'm not as intelligent, is you just suggested I might. me. This is where you, like I said, I question. I question you. Yeah, this is this is where I screwed up. So I didn't want to make it private because I wanted to get some followers. And I figured a new account, we got to be public for a little while. For sure. So I was public, but here's the mistake. And as soon as this girl asked me about it, like an hour later, I was like, oh, you idiot. The next day, I wanted Instagram. I blocked every single person.

that I could find on Instagram. Everybody that follows me, everybody I follow, everybody that follows her, everybody she follows, people that follow our friends. I just sat at my computer blocking people. Okay, but how did the person find? Like, what did you do? There's like a thousand people now that are blocked from that.

All right, but what did you do that was wrong? Yeah, but it's so weird. I shouldn't put that from the beginning. No, you should have put your wife's fucking face in the pictures. Easy. But I couldn't, but I could have done that right from the beginning. No, but we don't understand. This is like this is like backwards thinking

Like all you have to do Is not put your wife's face in there Then you can have it public Oh public open You don't have to waste your time blocking people And nobody will know who the fuck it is But the face is the key Because do you think

Here's why For people that are willing to spend $100 in a pair of used pantos They want to feel like they know you Okay, well, why don't you give it? Why don't you say that you get the picture? Why don't they get that pick when they purchase? And then, you know, your neighbor's probably not going to purchase just to find out if it's you.

Why don't, and they're never going to know. Because they're not going to purchase unless they feel like they know you. They want to see you. They want to fall in love with you. They want to feel like you're a normal person. They want to feel like you're just a woman who likes to wear a panty hose. And that's the only thing they want to find in the whole world is just a real person. Do you feel?

Do you feel like, okay, let me ask you this. Stop. Just listen. Oh, listen. I know. She's almost 50. Let me ask you this. Did you find that your sort of likes and your followers and everything like increase, like to,

on a major level when you started putting her face out there? Is that when people started to request buying stuff? Or did that stuff happen before her face was on? I was definitely after her face was on. Okay. Yeah. That definitely made a big difference. And you can see.

You can tell. with the other followers, there's plenty of Paniot's Instagram posters that don't show their face. The ones that show their face are way more popular. They do way better. Okay. Yeah, because they want to connect. They want to feel like they know you. I did too.

I did it. I wanted to feel like it was a picture of a real person, not a staged picture. Right. And that comes, you don't know what that comes from when you're looking at pictures. You don't know all the details. You don't know all the reasons why. You just know it when you see it. Okay.

And so I've kind of learned all the details, and one of them is her face. They love her. They think she's beautiful. They think she's awesome. They think she's real. And I can't tell you how many messages I get. She probably has a person a day, either comment on one of her pictures, send her message saying, you are the most beautiful woman on Instagram, which is ridiculous. This is the part that now she's come to kind of like, because at nearly 50 years old, having men say this ever,

day. It's nice. It's flattering. Right. It's not, she doesn't measure herself based on it. Oh, of course. Right. Yeah, but, but it still feels good. Listen, whenever you put something out there and people like it, like, I don't know what you want to call them quote unquote fans, I call them listeners of my podcast. Like, when people

write into me and they love my show or they want, you know, like I love those, like it's so, it feels so great to sort of like I said, put something out there and have people respond favorably and like it. You know, and whether it's your body or your podcast or whatever.

You know what I mean? Like, I get it. It's always flattering and fulfilling to have that positive feedback. It is. It's affirming. Yeah, for sure. And it's affirming to me, too, because I'm taking the pictures. This is, there's a, I always think about this line.

There's a modest mouth song and there's a lyric in the song. He says it twice. He says, I consider this my only art and it's fucking people over. This is my only art. This is what I can do. I can do pictures of a girl in Panias and make people fall in love with her and feel like it's real. And I know

I know how to stage it. I know where to put her. I know how to have her dress, how to have her cross her legs, where to have her look, how to have her smile. I got it figured out. I got the formula figured out. And right now I'm actually, I'm taking pictures of other people, other models now. Oh my God, that's what I was going to tell you before.

Why aren't you just hire another person put their face on and take your wife out of the picture so you could just like take it to the next level. We're working on that. I actually have somebody coming. Yeah, I have somebody coming to do that soon, and I've got several people lined up. I've just started that process of getting models lined up and finding the right people and people that are willing to have their picture out there.

And, yeah, I'm going to start. I just need to build up a portfolio first. I can't. Yeah, then you don't have to worry about all this shit. You could get that other, you know, phone with a phone number, attach it. And you could be public. And you could really take it to the next level. I just want to know how much you can actually make when you do take it to the next level.

How much she make now? It's not a ton, but she gets a lot of gifts off her Amazon wish list. Like what? I never understood that gift shit. Like what will people buy her? So the average person sends three gifts. Some send more. We've never had anybody send only one.

Her Amazon wish list has stuff on there from $4. 99 cents up to like a $280 purse. The average gift givers spends about $100. They buy three things. I'm going to start an Amazon wish. They usually buy one expensive pair of pinos, which most of the expensive pinos on there are wolfers. Yeah, yeah, I know those.

Yeah. So usually she gets, believe it or not, most gift givers, they send one pair of wolfords and then two other things. Sometimes it'll be one of their things. and there's a big three-the-thing. But it seems like everybody sends either a pair of wolf or at the highest. So, which is interesting. And she's gotten a lot of, she has sheer bras on there.

Uh-huh. And we'll send them a picture of whatever they buy her. Yeah, of course. Her in it. And her sheer bras on Instagram is a big, big hit. Because it's like pinos for the boobs. Oh, yeah. I had a guy.

I had a bra, I had a bra guy on. Yeah. They love that. Yeah. So on Instagram, you can't really show much. They think they're going to see. more in the pictures that they get. They really don't, but they don't care.

Nobody complains. So she's got about 12 sure bras, because they just keep sending them in different colors. That's awesome. She probably gets a gift every two or three weeks right now. And again, this is with this algorithm. If the algorithm worked the whole time, if I was using my phone number and she was using hers and it didn't matter, she would be somewhere in the neighborhood of $30,000 to $40,000. And that's in like three months.

Right. and within a couple years, it would be, I can see. You'd be like 250 like that other girl, like that other model, 250, right? I see other people do it. I see them go to, I've watched him because I've been following these models on Instagram for years. And I see them go to $100,000, $150,000 in no time. Yeah, yeah, that's where you guys would be. And selling peonios and underwear, that's not the real way to make money.

The real way to make money is to have an account where people have to pay a subscription to see more. Yes. That's what I was going to say before, too. Like, you could just set it up where they get to see your wife. If you take her face out of there now, because, you know, I think to do that for my show. Eventually, I'm going to come out of the closet. I'm hiding. Nobody knows. People are dying to know what I look like who I really am because I use a fake name on my show.

You know, so I'm like, I've always, like, it's on my list to do is, like, set up a thing, a pay-for-service and let people, if you want to know and get more, like, and see me, like, you. Here you go. That kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's several places you can do that.

Only fans is one. Patreon is a great. Yeah. Patreon, yeah. Yeah, they seem to really have their stuff to get there. And they don't take a ton of the model gets to keep a lot of the money. But there are Peno's models.

Because they speak to us. They talk to us. They'll message us. We'll message them. We'll share each other's accounts to promote them a little bit. And there are girls on Patreon. Yeah. You know,

they just show Panyos like my wife does. Yeah. on Instagram, but then on Patreon, they, you know, instead of posting a picture day, they maybe post that picture plus one more every day. And maybe they'll have four or five tiers of membership. Yeah. And one tier, you know, one tier you might get a video once a month. And another, you'll get the picture every day, a video once a month, plus a pair of pinoes.

And they maybe have four or five tiers. And you can see they'll have, some of them have at their top tier. They might have 12, 15, 20 people that are paying 50. bucks a month and then maybe they have 500 people at their lowest here which is five bucks yeah exactly it doesn't take a genius patreon's only taking a certain percentage it doesn't take a math list to figure out these girls are doing damn good yeah no it's great it's so great that's why i want you i'm so glad because at first i was thinking oh you might be like a problem haver like you don't want a solution to these problems because to me it's like easy to you know that's the wife's face and

being figured out you know like that so you could figure that like you could solve that problem And because I was thinking, find a girl to do with someone other than, but you guys are already on it. And like, because I really want, I think this podcast is so interesting, not even just for like, like, because anyone could sort of use this model and what you did for anything that they're kind of into, right? Like, right? It just goes to show that if like, you know, you're into something and you're looking for

it, right? Or, you know, when you sort of put a little work into it and do it, like you could, these are the kind of things you could do nowadays with the internet right and you guys are making some money you're getting the so you're getting she's getting the amazon gifts right um how many panties that like how many panty hose have you sold so there's been maybe a dozen customers maybe not quite that money right okay um and they can buy one pair of panty hose or more and then she'll throw in a thong right and they want they want all kinds of stuff they want you to play in them yeah right of sex them they want to pee in them then we'd wear them for 40s she won't do any of that yeah she'll wear them for a day

and she'll send them right you guys aren't like x-rated you're like right yeah she's not into that you're r rated right she's not into any of that weird stuff she will she wears them like there's no fake stuff she'll message them she we're honest about what we do and what we are yeah i think people people can read through fake so she'll tell them you want a fair opinion you tell me the color I will wear them for you to wear. So it's not like we have a bunch of panios in a bag somewhere

and we just send them to somebody if they buy them. They make a request. She'll wear them all day for them. As soon as she gets home, she puts them in a bag, they're going to be theirs. And when she wears everything they bought,

we package it up and we send it off. Too bad we can't promote the shit out of it because I know that there's guys that are listening that would be dying to like sort of sign on and have, you know, do this through. So when you get everything set up, And it's like on the down low and like you've taken your name and your wife's face out of it or whatever, you know, you just email me and I'll promote you guys on a podcast.

It doesn't even have to be, we don't have to do it. You know, I'll just promote it on one of the episodes so people could find this place. Because I think like this is like what you were looking for, right? You were a guy that was into Panyos and seeing women like and you couldn't find it. There's probably a lot of guys that are listening that are going to be Googling and find this podcast. And they're going to want to find your, I think if you do a little bit, if you're smart, they could probably find. your wife's Instagram somehow, right? There's a lot. There's a lot on Instagram.

Also, maybe not. You're so making me want to give out the name. You really are. Well, you don't have to. You could do it when you're comfortable and I will, you know, when you take it. Because let me tell you, I just told you that my friend's friend called him up and heard his, heard his show and knew it was him. And I don't give out names or anything. You know, I didn't change his name, but it's a small world. So I don't. He's a particular, he's a particular douchy guy too i think if i knew him and i heard him i would know yeah it's like andrew dice clay talks like him i mean there's not many people that talk like

and his friend like who lives far away was like i heard you on the podcast he's like and so he's like conferences the guy and and the guy doesn't he's like send me a picture of her because no one knows who i am you know and he's a fan on my show so now he's like at the jackpot because his friend is friends with me it was such a weird thing but that's like that's a shit that goes down so i really feel like if you say wait are you talking about the duchy guy that had the girl come to go to the thing with him and send him home. Yeah, he's

such a fucking asshole. I hope he's listening right now. He's a jerk. Yeah, he doesn't listen because he's just too involved in himself. But he don't really even think he listened to his own. But yeah, we did one where him and his girlfriend had a threesome in Vegas. And that's what his friend listened, but without knowing it was him and not knowing.

So I believe that if, listen, I don't think you should give out the name if you really don't want somebody in your town or someone that you know to know. People are going to know, Kathy. We know that it's just a matter of time. People are going to find out, but we don't want to encourage that. We don't want to make that happen faster than I has. So like I said, somebody already found out just recently. And she's not somebody that's going to tell anybody else. She wants me to, she wants me to shoot

it. She's like, I want you. Her biggest gripe was, she's like, I can't believe she has more followers than I do. So see, that's how she found you because she was into it and that was like her thing. Somebody else told her. No, somebody else tipped her off. Yeah, but they must have been into hose. Maybe. I don't know. It also could have been Instagram's algorithm, screwing me over.

But it doesn't matter. It's neither here nor there. It got me two different people that want to pose for me because her friend does too. So it's got to be two different young, very attractive models who are excited to pose and panios and we'll take the pressure off my wife, which my wife doesn't mind it. Yeah.

She just, she doesn't, she's not a natural model. She doesn't like the pose, really. Right. She, she likes to, she likes to wear pantyos. She's fine with that. And she likes the attention that gets her. And it does get attention. Like, even in a normal environment, if we go out somewhere where there's a lot of people,

you know, streets of the city downtown, you know, if we're in, you know, Manhattan or D.C. or something like that or heads turn you can watch them turn and a woman in a short skirt in pantos right for sure it does it's not even panios fetish people obviously because it's too many people looking people look people are maybe some people are looking wow panios went out of style in 1989 what are you doing but i don't think so i think there's a lot of but there's also let me just tell you there's a lot of people into fucking pantinghows i see the stats on my podcast because i could see how many people download my episodes even the ones that i posted two years ago that are into Pantyhos.

And when I, like, when Craigslist used to have ads, that's where I used to find people to call them when my podcast first started to, you know, air. Like, I didn't have people writing in to be on my show. I had to go find people. And I went on to Craigslist, and that's where I would search ads and I would send them an email.

And I just remember, like, all I would see, I mean, foot fetish and Panyos fetish were the, there was more ads for those two fetishes than any other fetish out there. They're huge. Foot fetish is the other thing. If somebody wanted to do just a foot thing and sell their dirty socks, they can make a fortune. Yeah, and I was even thinking for your panty hose thing, because like a lot of women do it,

if there's any guys that are listening, probably there's like a space out there for a guy to come in and do the same thing that you're doing with your wife, but to have a guy in panty hose because I'm sure that's a thing too, don't you think? There's a lot of that out there. They don't do nearly as well. You don't know? That's not the passionate pan base because those people that are interested. to that, they can wear them themselves and get that thrill. Yeah, they do love that. That's mostly

what I got that. And eventually it sort of morphs into that. I've had some guys that, like, weren't into wearing them at first, but later on, they got into it. Do you think yours would ever sort of morph into that, or is yours just strictly to see it on women? Yeah, I've worn. I'm like for Halloween

and stuff, and it doesn't do anything for me to wear them. Oh, okay. So you know, right. To have a woman wear them. And I love, and I love, I'm super attracted to my wife since the day I met her is just as much, maybe actually probably more now. And so I love when she's in Panyos, but other women too. I look for sure. As you know, not only do I look, I can touch too.

But a woman in Panyos, a woman that I wouldn't normally be attracted to, and I can't tell you why. I don't know why. It'll turn my head. It'll get my attention. I could definitely end up in bed with somebody just because they had Panyos on. when I otherwise wouldn't, which is really weird. But it's a thing.

It's been a thing since I was young, and I don't know why. It's a common thing. Yeah, I can't explain it. And I'm not, I'm not bashful or shy about telling people that all my friends know that I'm into. Yeah, because why would you have to? I don't think it's like, I think it's an easy thing to sort of, you know, as far as fetishes go, I don't think it's like going to, you know, be a deal breaker for anyone if you're dating them to tell them or your friends.

No, you're right. But they think it's weird, though. People that aren't into it. They're like, wait, what? You're into, like, in your? Like old women wear? Like that? Right.

And they're like, yeah, you're fucking, and everybody is cool about it. Like, yeah, whatever turns you on. It's mine. But I'm telling you, 50% of those people are secretly into it, too, and they're just playing with your fucking jerk in your chain when they say that. I'm whying. Maybe.

Yes, please. I have guys calling and tell me they like, and they have to change their voice because they don't want anyone to know. People keep a lot of stuff underwere. reps. I mean, my show is here to tell you that. Okay. So wearing them. I could see why you would want to keep that a secret. I mean, I could if that turns somebody on, good for them. I'm proud of them and happy for them if they figured out that that turns them on. But other people would think it's weird. Yeah. I mean, I think it's weird. It's not my thing. You know,

I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but it's not my thing. Right. It's different for me. But boy, am I in the girls wearing them. And yeah, there's a lot of really passionate people. There is one guy who messages every day and he jerks off in the morning and in the bathroom at work and at night to my wife. And he has since the beginning of Tumblr. And he sends her a message every day and he sends pictures. He sends pictures of his come. And he tells her how much he loves her and how beautiful she is and now he can't get off to anybody else but her. And it's really, it's weird.

and sweet all the same time. Yeah, that's probably a guy who has like, I would love him to get him on my show. That's probably like a guy who can't have like relationships in real life. Or maybe he's married and not happy. And he's got like this relationship with your wife is probably to fill him on some level. I think, yeah, I think he's single actually.

I don't think he's got a lot of money because he really wants to buy a pair of panels, but he keeps saying he's got to get the money together. And like one pair is not that expensive. Yeah. To me, I think it's not. It's easy for me to say. Yeah.

You know, far be it for me. If that's a lot of money to him, then that's a lot of money to him. He's saving his pennies for that. Good for him. But he hasn't done it yet. And I think there's a lot of people like that. Like, they're pretty nerdy guys that live alone. But there's a lot of guys, too, that they have to have a lot of money.

They don't think anything of sending our $200 worth of gifts or buying $200 worth of thanos and thongs. It doesn't even think twice about it. Yeah. And we haven't had a repeat customer yet, but every single person that's bought has said they're going to buy again. Right. And then they will. That they will, yeah.

And I get the first guy that bought, I get messages from him regularly. He tells her how he's still happy with him and he still gets him out. He still loves them. And she thinks it's a little weird. She's not judging him or them in any way. That's a little weird to her because she doesn't have that fetish or that thing. And she's a little embarrassed by the fact that they're that into her. And but at the same time, it's flattering that they want to smell her.

And when they get the pinos, that's what they want. They want her scent. And again, she's not doing all the other stuff that they want her. Some guys want her do. She's not peeing in them or playing in them. And I go, he's not going to work for one day and puts them in a bag and sends them off. And we don't feel like it's that weird. We feel like we're fulfilling somebody's needs and desires.

and it's empowering for my wife, and it's a fun little hobby. And she gets great gifts regularly, which is really cool. She has no need to buy Panyos ever again. Yeah, and she's getting good. She's getting good Pantios. Yeah, and we got our PayPal account

that we use for this. It's got like $400 sitting at right now that we haven't even spent yet. Right. You know, we've got to figure out if we want to just take it out and go out with it one night or if we actually want to just keep spending it on pantos and stuff.

Can you give? Let me ask you this, because we're going to wrap it up. but can you give, I don't want to push you to give the Instagram because I don't want to like out you because what happens is like I know that you said that you don't mind people seeing that your wife's face on Instagram and finding out that you guys do this. But what would happen on my show is they would find out this and then they'd listen

to your first episode and then they'd be like, oh, not only are these guys into taking pictures and pantyhows, they're also have an open relationship, but she's fucking his best friend. You know what I mean? Like maybe you don't want to it to go that far, right? So I don't want to push you into doing, I don't want that to happen to you. But can you give out the Amazon wish list or does, is it connected to the. It's connected.

Oh, okay. So there you go. Okay. I was trying to help you out. Maybe see. Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate that.

No, but for guys that are really into Paneo's pictures, they should go to Instagram. They should get an account. And, and. Wait, can we do a contact? Can we just do a contest on this podcast? Can we do a contest? It's like you're the one going to have to give the prize. I mean, I'll give a book, a free book to someone,

but I think what they're going to want is like your wife to wear pantos and give it to them. But I would love to do a contest for the first person, and tell me if you're into this, that could find who you guys are on Instagram and send you a DM. I heard you on the strictly anonymous podcast, and you'll send them a fucking pair of pantos. Can we do that and see if anyone find out? Sure, I'm into it.

Okay, is that fun? I think it's kind of fun. Let's see you smart enough. I'm going to try. I'm like a detective online. If it's me, I won't get the business. We'll send them one. And there are guys that if they were listed.

I don't know if I said specific price points. I was going to try to avoid that because that would definitely give it. No, you did. I try. I'm going to try not to, but it's. Okay, so listen, this is the deal, listeners. if you can find with all the information, he gave a lot of information on this podcast

if you really have some time and you have a brain like mine. Like I should have worked for the CIA. I'm like a detective, right? Like I could figure shit out. So like, I don't know. I want to see if there's anybody out there that could use the information that you spoke on here and find you guys on Instagram.

What you do is get him to, you know, follow them and then send him a DM and say that you heard him on the Strictly anonymous podcast. And then he will send you a pair of his wife's Panney. right? The first person, yes. Maybe it'll be more than one. Yeah, we don't know. Only the first guy that figures it out. Yes, he will get a pair of her canoes and she will send him a personalized note. She'll wear them. She'll wear them to work for him. In fact, she will even take a selfie of her legs the day she wears them and send them to him. Yeah, for the smartest, strictly anonymous podcast, listener. The best detective. Go out.

I can't wait. I can't wait. Guys that are into Pannios, like, that's where they should go. Like, Instagram is the place. Like, I didn't realize that. It took me a while to figure that out. And Instagram, you can see who you follow. Right.

Like, like, and so people, there's guys that don't want to be found out. So they're afraid to follow these other accounts. It's really easy to have a second account. I can, a lot of the guys that follow her, clearly it's not their main account on Instagram. They're only following. You just have a second account. And if they have Google, they have a Google Mail or I think Yahoo is owned by Google now.

If they can get a Google account, they can get a separate phone number. And it does keep it separate from your account. And they can just open up Panyos Fetish Instagram and then they can follow all kinds of. And it's not pornography. You're not going to see anybody naked on Instagram. They don't allow it. But there's really great models putting out some good work for Panios guys. I would say what should they Google, like what hashtag should they?

But then I'm going to like rope, then I'm going to make it easy for people to find you because then you'd give out the ones you use and then people will use that to find you. I don't want to give out any more clues. Well, they're all the same. It really wouldn't. There's hundreds of models. Okay. And there's two categories like this, feet and pannios.

Right. So any of the typical pantyhos, any words that you would use, pannios, nylon, hosery, tights. because if you're England, they're tights. He intent. He uses different languages. I'm sorry I had to give them that. Coant is French, trump hoses, German,

Reg Staphy, Caglotti is Russian. I remember he said put fetish at the end of any of them. Don't forget. Or not, either with or without. Everybody's using the same hashtags that's in the nylon fetish community. It's all the same. And Tumblr's still a good place, but not nearly as good. No way. I want them to find you on Instagram.

I got to wrap this up because I have a 5 o'clock call and I have like 10 minutes to go pee and like be done. But anyway, listen, thank you so much for calling. This was so fascinating. I think on so many different levels. I love the, to me it's so interesting how you turn this sort of your own interest into like a little business. Like you said, you haven't even tried and you're making some cash. Imagine when you really try how much you can make. I can't wait for you to move to that level.

And I want to, I want an update story on that. I want to see who finds you guys on Instagram first. I want that person on my podcast so we could exchange detective tips. But keep me posted on what's going on with you guys. And when you do like sort of take her off and put the other guys on and take it to when you have like 150,000 followers. Keep me posted. But thanks for calling in. This was like really interesting.

It was great to talk to you again. Awesome. Thanks. Good luck with everything. Bye. Bye. Bye. Okay.

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