Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 280 - Bisexual Dave has a Cuckold Fantasy but his Wife Isn't Into It

Episode Date: April 22, 2019

Dave has a cuckold fantasy but his wife isn’t interested and he also hooks up with guys behind her back. When did he first get interested in cuckolding? When was his first cuckold experience and what went down? How did his wife respond the first time he told her about his fantasy and why isn't she down to participate? Tune in to find out plus hear all about his secret hook-ups with guys, his long term relationship with a woman who was super into cuckolding and his bisexuality, what he can do to get his partner now be open to cuckolding and a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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His wife knows that he wants us, but she's not into it at all. She's got a lot of concerns about, like, sort of, you know, going down that path, which I think, you know, we discuss those concerns. I think we could all understand why someone would be concerned. The other thing that goes on with him that we talk a lot about is the fact that he's very by. His wife kind of knows a little bit about it, but she doesn't really know that he still sees guys. We talk about that whole aspect and that whole secret side of his life, as well as what went down when he first got into cuckolding. Like he had a relationship with a really open-minded woman who, and they both experienced a lot of things together. That's where like all this stuff sort of came out and he was able to get into it and live it out for real.

And he's missing that and he has the desire to sort of live it out. At the end, I think I give him some good advice of how to maybe sort of nudge his wife along to maybe consider the whole cuckled thing. Because like I said, they have talked about it, but she has some fears. And you'll find out what those are. You'll find out the advice that I give him. And you'll hear all about like all the cuckold. sort of situations he's been in and how he first took up with guys and what he does with guys and all that good stuff. So anyway, I'll be right back on with Dave. How are you doing today or tonight?

I'm great. I'm great. How are you? I'm good. So you wrote in and you have like a little bit of a secret life going on, right? You're married now, but like your wife knows that you're by, right? And your secret is that you kind of fuck around with guys on the side. Not kind of, you do, right? Yeah, a little bit. A little bit. Now, I know that you said you have relationships with women, too. Do you do that as well behind your wife's back, or is that something you did in the past?

I did that in the past. That's happened a couple times in the last few years, but not much. Right. But while you've been married and that's like a secret thing as well? Correct. Okay. So you cheat on her with men and women. You have.

Now, your wife knows that you're by, right? Yeah. But you have. But other than that, and she thinks she assumes that you did all this, like, before you guys got together, right? She doesn't know about any kind of, I mean, she would be surprised to hear that you are out with other people. I mean, like, do you guys do kinky things with each other? Or is it, like, very vanilla kind of sex with? It's really vanilla.

It is. And how long you guys been married for? About 10 years. And so now, I know that you did also say, before you were with her, you had a relationship with somebody. And you guys did do interesting things together, right? Like, that's where you lived out. You have a cuckold fantasy, right?

That's correct. And did you live that out with that? Was that the first person that you did that with? Yes, it was. And that's when you got it. Now, how did that come up in that relationship? Was that just a girlfriend of yours? And how long were you with her?

And how did it come up between you guys? Let's see, I was with her maybe five years. And she was pretty open-minded. And we could share kinky thoughts with each other. And I told her that I was by. And I thought she probably wouldn't like it. But she did. She got really excited.

And in fact, when I told her that, we were at a bar and she went next door to a hotel and just like said, okay, wait a minute and left. And I didn't know what was going on. And then she came back. And she had said that she told me that she went next door to the hotel and got a room because she got so turned on when I told her I was by. She wanted to go upstairs and fuck right away. Wow. That is crazy. And you had, let me ask you this though, but let's go a little bit before that because when did you.

you first realized you were by when did you start having experiences with guys late 20s and your late 20s and what was that for like how did you first sort of take that dip into that a whole world i started looking at porn online and getting in some chat rooms and talking to people and met people that were open-minded and i don't exactly remember how it came up but you know some some at some point in being exposed to those chats and porn. Yeah. I started thinking about sucking a cock or just what if you like to touch one and play with one.

Right. Uh-huh. And then you eventually met somebody offline, like somebody that lived close by and like you guys hooked up. Somebody at the gym hit on me, a guy. And so I met up with him a couple times. That's interesting. Because how did he get the vibe that you were like even gay, right? Because you're like a, you walk around probably like a hetero guy, right?

Right. Yeah. He saw me in the shower at the gym checking out other guys. Like a gym I went to kind of had semi-private stalls and sometimes guys would go in there. And when they had washed, they'd spend like extra time washing their cocks. They were kind of stroking to get themselves a little hard so other guys will see. And I was watching a guy do that.

He noticed that. And I didn't realize that he had noticed. And then later after I got in the, or I went out in the locker room and dried off and I was getting ready to leave. if he came up and gave me his business card. Oh. And so do you want to meet sometime? So I did.

Right. And now was he a good looking guy? Like was he your type? Did you know what your type was? Or were you just like horny for the fact that like, oh, this is like the, this is like a guy. And you had never been with one. And this was like you're probably pent up fantasy, right? Yeah.

I didn't really have a type at that point. He's a little bit older, which I guess turned up to be kind of my type. Uh-huh. but it was really I guess what was most intriguing was to be of sexual be desirable to somebody

kind of get that sexual validation in a sexual way from somebody openly expressing their desire which really was not something I'd really experienced much really even from men or women or even women yes

oh okay interesting when did you lose your virginity to girl to a girl of a girl when I was 19 Okay And now when that time That happened in the gym Were you dating anyone

Were you involved with anybody Like a woman at that point? Yeah, I was Okay So you have a girlfriend But this guy How old was the guy You were in your late

You were in your late 20s How old was the guy? He was probably 45 Okay And so you're in a relationship This guy gives you the number Like So you call text him

And like Where do you meet up what happens at that first meeting. I don't know if it's your first and only, but like what went down when you hooked up with him the first time? Oh, let me think. I guess we met for coffee. And it was,

we just met and chatted and he said, you know, I said I was really attractive and wanted to know if I would come over, wanted to come over to his house sometime. And, you know, I knew what that meant. So I said, sure, why not?

Right. So then we found a nice. where I was free and I went over to his house and he had a big house and a hot tub and we went out and we had a drink in the hot tub. And now do you know if he was married and his wife was out of town or was he like a gay guy? Like what was his deal? Do you know? He was gay.

He was gay and partnered. I think he'd been married to a woman before when he was younger and then decided he came out gay and had a partner and he said he and his partner would cheat on each other and they finally realized that they needed to have an open relationship because they were both cheating so they thought well let's just be open about it yeah and so he was allowed to be doing what he was doing you were like fooling around with him behind your girl's back now what did you did you like I know that you in your email to me like you say like you like for someone to watch you suck cock and like that's like your thing and you've mentioned that on here is that is that all you do do you have

have penetration or your top or a bottom? Like, did you figure this all out, like, with that guy or did it come later on? No, it came later on. I've tried bottoming a time or two, but I can't really relax. Right. So you've never actually been penetrated by a guy. The girlfriend that I was telling you about, the one that was into me being by, she had a strap on, and she used to peg me with a strap on sometimes.

And do you like it? It wasn't. Yeah, I did. It wasn't very big, though. It was pretty narrow, so I was able to relax enough to take that in. Right, but with the guy, they're always a little bit bigger than the, right? So you could never really focus on. But are you a top?

No, not at all. Right. So just blow jobs is what you sort of like to do when you're with guys? Yeah. Right. So with that guy that you guys gave each other head and like how amazing was it or was it awkward? Like, what was your first experience like? It was, it wasn't awkward.

It was just, it was just different. It was new. Right. And just so we gave each other head. Yeah. And he was kissing me. And that was a new thing to kiss a guy. But I got into that.

Usually I'm not into kissing guys, but, you know, sometimes. But he, that was okay kissing him. And then I went down on him in the hot tub. And then he went on down on me, but neither of us came. And then we went in the house and dried off and continued on. his bed. And then did that, like, did you, did that turn into something like ongoing or was that a one and done kind of thing?

I mean, you did, I'm assuming you probably saw him at the gym again. No? Yeah, I did. I was with him a couple times. I sucked his cock at his house a couple times. And then there was one time in the gym. He came in my shower stall and got down on his knees and stuck my cock in the shower. Oh, no way.

In the gym during, like, gym hours? Yeah, there's semi-private stalls. You know, the individual stalls, and then there's a curtain, shower curtain, you can pull across in front. We were, like, at the very back of the roves showers. Yeah, that was very naughty, right? That was probably part of the turn-on. Oh, God, yeah, that blew my mind.

Right. I was really nervous, though. I could imagine, but that probably plays into it, right? I mean, the fact that you're nervous and whatever. So, and I'm assuming your girlfriend never found out, but that's when you're, realize you were like by right when did you realize you were into the whole cuckold thing because the cuckold i always get a little confused about what it is and what it means but why don't you explain because i'm sure there's other people that are listening that are confused about exactly

what that fantasy when someone says i want to be a cuckold or you know like what that means yeah there's a lot of different meanings and a lot of people that participate in cuckolding or just think about it have different views on what the definition definition is, but it's, you know, basically your woman is having sex with another man and you're either, you don't know when she's cheating behind her back. Some people don't think that's cuckolding, but that's really the origination of the cuckled term. Or then you might be watching her or listening to her, watching her on a video on FaceTime or be present in the room, watching her be fucked by another man. And in some cases, the cuckolds participate, maybe being a an oral servant for both of them, one or both of them. Right. But there is also this humiliation thing that some people throw into that definition, right? Some people say that that's a big part of it, right?

But then some people say that that's not, you know? Is that a part of your fantasy? A little bit. In some ways, if I were to be in a cuckold relationship and be humiliated, it would feel like kind of a role play thing for me. I would get kind of a turn on. Normally I wouldn't like humiliation. Right. And in any other context. But in that context, where she's your girls with somebody else. And how is the humiliation dished out? Is it the humiliation of like seeing your wife like fuck someone else and make you watch her that kind of a thing? Or like is it that I don't know, like how, what's the

humiliation aspect to it? Like how does that play out? Well, it can, it can, it can, be very explicit or it can be it can be implicit. So just watching your wife be fucked is it's more an implicit thing. But, you know, some people like the play where it's more explicit where they're, you know, telling the man he's, you know, not enough of a man. His wife needs a bigger cock. Right. Or the, you know, the bull or the, the bull is the man that's fucking the wife. The bull or the wife are both, you know, one or both of them are telling the husband to suck his cock, get it ready, or guide his cock into the wife's pussy. Right. Or to, or do, uh, after they after they fuck then to clean the come up off both of them right and you and that's and

like after that guy did you have like numerous like hookups with guys before you met that open-minded girlfriend a few not a lot but some right and then less than 10 so then you meet the girl right the new girl the open-minded one and you start to have threesomes and is that when you realize you're into the whole cuckolding thing when you for the first time you see your fucking other guy and you're like wow that's really hot because I do believe like when I first started doing my podcast is when I really realized

that there's so many people out there men and women that like to watch their partners bang other people right and when I first started doing it I would tell my friends like oh I had this guy on and he likes to watch his girl like all my guy friends would be like I would never want my per you know my girl I wouldn't you know and but the more I

talk to those people and the more I talk to people on my podcast, I realize it's like a common thing, but some people don't know that they like it until they actually experience it. Is that how it happened for you? Or did you know that it was something before and you asked that girl

to do it? Or was it like when you first saw her fucking someone else? It's a little, I'm a little different than that. When I first was getting online and chatting with people, Yahoo used to have these chat groups and I got in a chat group when I decided that I was by, and it was a

attack group for women watching men suck cock, and that seems so much more interesting and it's more more much more arousing to me than just a man-on-man sucking cock. Oh, interesting. To know that the aspect of the woman they're watching. Yeah, and in some ways it's, it kind of heightened my devalidation I felt sexually by, you know, the woman being turned on by me sucking. Right.

because you said you didn't have that really a lot of that in your life. Yeah. Yeah. And then when I started dating this woman, I told her I was by. We started talking about threesomes. And so then we had a few threesomes. We met some guys. And she got really into watching both of us at cock.

And then there was one time we had a threesome. And I was kind of stressed when I wasn't so much into it. So she and this guy fucked. And I just sat there and watched them. and that and then you know later like he just blew my mind like oh my god that was amazing right and that was that was before there's all this cuckolding stuff online all this you know before cuckolding was such a well-known fetish that i didn't really know what the word for it was at the time right that or there there maybe not even was a word for it right at that point like i don't know or was that word been

around well that words that word's been around since medieval times oh right okay but it really I think it's relatively new that it's become more white spread because when I was like in college and look at porn magazines and nobody ever talked about that. You know, sometimes, you know, penthouse letters used to have stories about you know, some couple met and

the guy fucked the wife or something, but they never really talked about it at cuckolding or it was more of a threesome or something like that. Yeah, straight up, yeah, right, exactly. It was just a straight of threesome, but they didn't sort of focus on that whole aspect of like liking to, you know, watching somebody

fuck someone else and being into it. And then I do believe that a lot of people think that there's that whole common eating the calm afterwards that has to be a part of that whole fantasy, right? Like some people think that that's what a cuckold is, right? But that doesn't necessarily have to be, right? No, that doesn't have to be. I mean, it's, you know, as many people as there are, that there are probably that many variations on cuckolding. But for a lot of people, that is part of cuckolding. And that's part of almost always part of cuckolding porn. but, you know, cuckling porn is just like any other porn. It's so unrealistic and sensationalized.

Right. She's not really representative of what it's really like, I'm sure, in real life. Do we think that most, are most people that are into the whole cuckled thing by? Or could, you know, because, like, do you think the being by adds to that? Because, you know, you like cock, right? And you like pussy. And so, you know, watching your girl, fuck another guy, you're getting, like, the best of the both worlds, right? right, because you like both men and women.

I'm wondering if there's always that kind of bisexual aspect to the person that wants to be the cuckled, whether it's a woman or a man, right? Do you think? Is that, I mean, because you're in these forums and you've been involved in that whole world. Yeah, I haven't chatted with people online and it's common, but it's not absolute. There are a lot of guys that are, I think, into cuckolding or being cuckold. that maybe they don't consider themselves cuckold, but they're into their wife, fucking other people.

Right. And I talked to, well, I met a couple once when I was single. And I, after my girlfriend and I had broken up that I had some experience with couples and I was a single man

and they were straight threesomes or straight up threesomes or there was one couple I met where I went out for drinks with them. We went back to their apartment. And she and I started playing around. And I, fucked her in their bed and the guy just kind of came and went and he's in the room he's out of the room he's doing whatever he's doing the wife and the wife and i thought i came inside her

and then i pulled off and then he went down on her and started looking looking to come and he wasn't by at all but he was then he told me later he's just so devoted to her that he and he was a real masculine you know man's man yeah but he would do anything for her he's just totally devoted to her and she like that and so she he would do whatever she asked him to do and was devoted to her in like a submissive way or meaning like he was just into like she was so into that and wanted him to do it so he was like I'll do it for you because that's what you like but he it wasn't necessarily his

thing because he wasn't there wasn't it wasn't really submissive and when I was there they really didn't communicate about it I mean this was what they liked to do yeah and you know we went we went back to their apartment knowing that I was gonna fuck her and they never talked about it you know there's never any communication about she and I are going to do this and he's going to clean her up afterwards. It's just that's, that was their thing that she didn't have to tell him. She didn't have to be dominant over him after we fucked. He went down on her.

He obviously wasn't interested in a biplay with me. He didn't get that close to me. He was in the room. He was on the bed next to me, but, you know, there was no attempt to touch me or be with me. Right. It was just he loved watching her get fucked and he loved going down on her and licking her afterwards. Right. And now do you do, would you do that when you were with that girl and you had the threesomes? Considering you were by, I would think that that would be something that you'd be into.

You know, that's, I didn't very, really very much. That's the interest in that is kind of grown over time. She, she, one of the guys we were with, she gave him a blowjob, and then she kissed me and pushed all the come in my mouth. And I guess, like sometimes I get a little shy when the guy is going to come, but then I always appreciate it later. I'm glad if they come in my mouth or I taste the cum, I'm always glad later that I did. Right. And so there's times where I would taste cum out of her mouth. Several times it was my own cum.

I tasted out of her mouth, but a time or two, it was somebody else's come. And then she talked about wanting me to clean up the guy after she and the other guy fucked. Yeah. But I was a little bit nervous, hesitant it to do that, and then we broke up not too long after that came up. So it was evolving to where I would do the cleanup on both of them, but we know. We didn't get that far before we broke up for other reasons. Right, right. And then afterwards, that thought just kind of really grew on me.

And I was like, and I really regret it that I missed out on that opportunity. Yeah, because with her, I mean, you could really let your freak flag fly and do all that stuff with her, right? And then so after that, you eventually meet your wife and then you get into this like normal monogamous hetero relationship. Yes. And so, what were you going to say? I dated a little bit and yeah it's and there was a lot of drama with different people and so when I met

my wife then things were not so dramatic with her so I like that stability even though the sex was vanilla it was our life together was a lot more stable than I'd had for a while right and it was something you're like this is the place where I want to hang my hat right that's the girl you want to marry right right the one without the drama so how long into it I mean how long could did you remain monogamous because like you know you go from like having threesome and doing all this stuff and being you know to being in a mainstream kind of relationship like how long were you

able to keep that up like eight years that's a long time yeah and what did you do to sort of satisfy your by side did you just like porn and fantasies in your mind and like just jerking off to sort of scenarios or did you just put it aside? Yeah, the porn jerking off and then chatting online with people. Right. And then so after eight years, what happened that you decide to go start hooking up again? I just felt like I wanted to experience sucking a cock again. But like, did anything happen?

Like, was it just building up over time? And, you know, was like the sex with your relationship? did any do you think that there was anything that happened around that same time that led to that or or what like because i was you know after eight years eight years is a long time you know yeah there was yeah i guess but by that time we'd had some accumulated baggage and you know we'd been through some hard times and so in some ways i didn't feel as close to her as i had before right so you would feel like not as bad sort of doing it maybe be four years in you wouldn't have felt right doing it at that point.

Yes, exactly. So what did you mean, someone online? Like, you know, where did you find the person to the first guy to cheat on her? Was it a guy? Because I know that you said you did have women too, right? Just a couple times. Yeah, it was, I met a guy online. Right.

And you started to live out. Like, I mean, you just started to be with guy. You can't do the whole cuckold thing, right? because your wife's not involved, right? So when you're with the guys, you're just with guys, and when you cheated on with her with women, you were just with women, right? Where would you meet the women?

At their house. I'd meet them when... No, but I mean, like, would you meet them online, or were they just women that you met at, like, work, and you did fuck them or, you know? Online, online through a dating app. Right, okay. So you put yourself on a dating app,

like, is it a dating app or was it like a Craigslist kind of, thing. Dating app. A dating app. While you're married, do you put your face? Yeah, I looked on Craigslist, but I never met anybody

through Craigslist. It's hard to find the women on Craigslist, right? Yes. Yeah. And even through a dating app because I want to be, I don't want to create drama,

so I tell them up front that I'm married and looking discreetly. And, you know, 99% of them say, no thanks, which is fine. Yeah, but so interesting. Yeah, of course. But so interesting that one percent says yeah well I guess like maybe that one percent is like other married women or right I mean like

like like because like what did you find on the other end of like you know what woman says yes to that are they were they married women that were also looking for the same thing no they weren't they were they were they were single but they were um their kids were grown and they kind of like their their independence in their life. So they were just happy to meet up with somebody and have fun and not have the drama or the complications. Right. Now, how long into your relationship with your wife did you, like, hook up with women? I know you said you just did it a couple times, but when did that start?

That was like nine years. Oh, interesting. Okay. So now your wife, like you did say in your email, like my wife thinks I'm crazy, when you were talking about like the cuck-holding fantasy. So it's obviously something that you've discussed with her. Yeah. I had told her early on that I'd be okay if she wanted to sleep with other guys too,

and she didn't like that, and then I brought it up more. Right. And imagine, you know, most people that are in kind of an immoral relationship, say something, you know, hear something like that, and this is nuts. Yeah. Because you jump from just like regular mission. to like, oh, I'd love to see you fuck some other guy, and she's like, where did that come from? I mean, she did know, you did tell, when did you, you told her early on that you were by, right?

But like a long time ago kind of thing. Yeah, it's just all kind of in the past sort of experimental things. What I described it. Right. And so. I mean, it's kind of kind of couched it that way just to kind of see how to test the waters and see how she would react. How did she react? Yeah.

It wasn't a turn on for her. Right. And so when do you bring up like, oh, why, like, is it just in a conversation while you guys are fling around like I'd love to see you with somebody else? Or just you bring it up like out of the blue? Like, I mean, how does that conversation about you wanting to see her or you wouldn't mind her to be with other guys come up? Boy, that's a good question. That's kind of a blur. I don't remember exactly how that's come up.

But you threw it out there and she was like, no way. Yeah, I've thrown it out there. I threw it out long ago, and then in the last couple of years I've done it out more often. Right. Several times. And I think she had a typical reaction that she was for a lot of women. She was angry, upset, hurt, freaked out by it. And then, you know, over time, she can articulate a little more about why she was uncomfortable with it.

Right. And what did she say? I mean, why she was uncomfortable? Because does she explain? What did she say? Yeah, that she has sex when there's an emotional connection. So just having another guy wouldn't have that kind of connection. So it's hard for her to get into sex without that kind of connection.

Right. Or that she's afraid that it would come between us, that I would get jealous or upset if it would actually happen. And it would come between us. Right, when she doesn't realize that it would definitely not come between us. Does she know, between you guys, right? Does she know about the other relationship and the threesomes with that woman? I'm assuming not. Yes, she does.

Oh, she does. So she knows that you were with that other woman and you watched her have sex. She know that it was a real turn on for you? Yes. She does. Yeah. How did she react to that? she's skeptical that it would really work out she'd say something like well that relationship didn't work out you know you guys broke up right so she yeah for different reasons but i do think that that's a very real fear and i understand that right because it's like too you know you could everyone could say in theory that this would be really great right but like not in theory like you know people could say that but would it really actually work you know i think like i get why she would be nervous about that

right I mean you guys are married a really long time to bring something like that into your relationship you know I know because I know enough about this and I've heard enough couples that have done it and crossed over and I think just because of what you're really into like you would be totally like wouldn't you be totally fine you it would be like a plus to see her with another guy like no jealousy whatsoever right I think I might have a little bit of jealousy really and she's challenged me on that like don't you be jealous. I think, well, okay, maybe I, yeah, but I think I'll be really turned on. Right, that's part of it, right? The arousal would override the jealousy.

But in some ways, the jealousy, having a little bit of jealousy as part of it would be part of the turn on. Right. Isn't that the whole cuckled thing? That's a part of it, right? Yeah. Right. So, um, does she know the word cuckled and what that's all about? And, and that's what you're proposing? I don't think she appreciates like the cuckold fetish especially as you see it portrayed online or discussed online. I mean, she knows the word. I don't really use that word so much with her, but I have a few times. Right.

Now just listen, I think it's like interesting that she's like at least has these conversations with you, right? She's not that vanilla that she's like, oh, you would just get, I don't know, when someone says, like you would get jealous. Like, I don't know. Like, that's like some part of her has gone down the road to actually think it might happen. Do you know what I mean for her to think that? Do you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, I do. I mean, the fact that we can have a conversation and then we'll talk about it and then given some time we'll have a conversation and she'll have different things to say about it tells me she's thinking about it. Yeah, that's what I mean. Even if she's overall not in favor of it. She's giving us some thought.

Yeah, maybe there's because like to me, somebody that it was a definite no, they would be like no fucking way I would never do that. That wouldn't turn me on. That would actually freak me out. Like I would never want to, you know, I don't want you to watch me that like is gross. You know, like they wouldn't say like to say like you'd be jealous and you, you know, like that's like, that's like thinking further into it. And I just feel like if you're saying things like that, it just means that maybe some part of you has thought of it. Like you said, and like you said, even every time you talk to her, it's like she's thought of it a little bit more, you know. She might have more of a freak flag than you know, right?

Do you think? She might. I think a lot of people that are really vanilla do have a freak flag, but I don't think they admit it to themselves or the others. Right. But I think her saying, like, you would be jealous and like, you and, like, you know. when you say, but it happened with that relationship, but that one didn't work out. Like I think like it's fear, you know, and holding her back, you know. I think if you really let her, I think she would have to feel more secure about it, you know, that you wouldn't.

And I think, listen, I think that that's the problem with a lot of people, you know, not letting their freak, because they're afraid of judgment or afraid of backlash or afraid of like showing that size. and then like their partner being, you know, turned off even if they act like that's what they want. You know, because sometimes that does happen, right? Sometimes you do sort of do something. I love a Swinger's story that's gone awry, you know. And I'm sure there are cuckled couple stories that go awry. For sure.

A lot of times they do, you know. So there's a, like, you know, it's not like odd that she's a fearful of that. you know and and you guys are talking about it and I think that's good but I feel like the fact that you're talking about it there is a chance that two years from now you guys can be doing this have you ever got her to try like to be less vanilla just with you and her like maybe role playing the situation or like dirty talk about another god you know what I mean like that kind of stuff not yeah not much a little bit that we a little we don't even do much dirty talk with each other. I just don't think she's that comfortable. And so I don't do it very much because I feel

like she's uncomfortable. We do it a little bit, not a lot. Role play, no. I've never really figured out role play. And she hasn't either. We've tried role play. It just seems kind of cheesy. And we just kind of start laughing. And like, this is really silly. Yeah, yeah, totally. Uh-huh. But so, but where are you at with her? Like, I mean, because this is like, I mean, you use the word, obsession, right, and as far as, like, being by, right? So, like, you have, like, this large side of, like, your life, you know, and it is, you say, an obsession, right? So how do you feel like you could stay in your marriage and sort of continue this secret life? Like, does it feel, is it, like, is it a problem that, you know, you can't sort of meld them two together,

or is it fine for you to be having this secret life? It's hard. I don't know what the long-term solution is. Right. It's something I wrestle with a lot. I mean, the buy part is, it's kind of fun. It seems kind of like kinky fun to me. It's not, the cuckolding is more of an obsession.

The cuckling is? Yeah. Because it's like something that you haven't sort of had in a really long time that you did have, right? And you did really like it. Yeah. And the times I was with couples and I was with the wife, the guy and the husbands there, that was amazing.

As well. Yeah, both roles. It's just the whole thing. The whole scene is just so erotic to me. Right. Have you ever asked your wife if she's by or anything like that? Have you guys discussed that? Yeah, we've talked about that.

She's not. She has no interest in women. Not at all. No. Right. How old are you guys? Around 50. And your wife? Same.

The same. And now is she like, is her sex drive still the same? Is she all good, like with that? How's your guy's sex life? I know you said it's vanilla. Do you guys still have a good sex life? You know, even though it's sort of... Not as much as we used to.

Actually, it's not as, it's not that frequent anymore. And it's, you know, maybe reflect our age as much as anything. Right. Also having kids and that's you know takes a lot of time and energy. Yeah, totally. Please. And so do you still see have you, are you seeing any guys right now? No.

No. When was the last time you were with a guy? I don't know. A few months ago. A few months ago. And what about a woman? Well, that's been a year maybe. Let me ask you this.

Have you met any couples to do the whole cuckolding thing on that end? Like, because if you said, you know, like, have you been able to do that? that while you've been married? I mean, other than that the solution, people would think I'm so terrible forcing you to cheer in your wife in that scenario. You mean for me to be the bull?

Yeah. Oh, I've talked to some couples through Craigslist or some other sites, but nothing's really worked out. It's kind of complicated being married. You have to arrange three schedules and... And... Right.

And now, when you say the bull, like I forget, right? because the whole cuck-holding thing. Because you did say you like it when you watch a guy. I guess you have to, you don't want to be the bull, right? Well, I have been, and I like fucking, but I'm kind of more drawn to the cuckold role. Right. Yeah, you have to get your wife to do it. I don't you, have you ever, you said like every time you've talked to her,

she's sort of brought things up or said new things. has there ever been anything else she said that was like a little bit of a maybe an opening well we've we've gone to a tap of this beach and we've talked about people at bars wondering if they're swingers and things like that so it's you know that's kind of opening conversation a little bit to an alternative lifestyle oh that's good don't you think yeah yeah i think it's it's kind of fun to talk about it but you know that's that's all it's been is talk but at least it's It's a conversation. Right.

Yeah. You're going to have to get your late because how else would you be able to do a cuckold? It has to be with your wife, right? And are the chat rooms just not doing it for you anymore? Not really. It's, you know, at some point, I guess I feel like enough talk, enough thinking about it. I want to try to experience it. Right.

Now, does she ask you, like, you know, has she ever? questioned your bisexuality and like whether you're still by or like does she ever wonder if you still have desires for guys or like was that something that after that first conversation you made it seem about your past she's just never brought up yeah it's never really come up again or where it well it's not where she's quite asked me but she's just you know made some comments at some time a time or two we're talking about somebody being straight or something like that and she's like well you're you're not exactly the most straight person in the world. Right.

And I say, yeah, you're right. Now, when the whole cuckold thing has come up, has she ever said that she wouldn't want to see you with another guy? Like, does she worry that that aspect maybe of it wouldn't be okay with her? Yeah, we haven't really talked about that part of it. Okay. I think she's, well, I guess one comment she's made is that she, with what in regards to the cuckolding, she's not sure she would want to see me in that role.

I think she was alluding to that she'd want to see me humiliated or emasculated. Right. And she also made a comment once that if she did cuckled me, she's not sure she would ever see me the same way again. Yeah, see, these are the things. It's a fair comment. Yeah, these are, I think, the things that come up for people. I mean, it is very fair.

You could understand that, right? For her as a woman, what she, you know, sort of sees as sexy. Like, that could really change if she sees you in a certain way. It's like, so it's a hard thing, right? Because here you are married to somebody and you. And this is why a lot of cheating goes down, right? Because people are together and they have most of their lives work. You know, probably everything else with your wife, I'm assuming, is okay.

like as far as your relationship is concerned or you like my last caller who was like couldn't I don't know like when I saw more I talked to him I realized like oh he doesn't even like his wife like I thought it was just like the sex was an issue yeah I heard that that yeah I'm not the guy that would cheat with escorts yeah uh-huh yeah yeah I'm not in that same that situation my wife and I are still really good friends and we do a lot of things together and enjoy each other's company enjoy the same activities is just the sex is really vanilla. Yeah, that's the problem.

And I've got this, this kink that I can't seem to get rid of. Right. It's like an itch that needs to be scratched. And it's like, what do you get at, how do you fulfill it unless you actually really do it, you know? And I think that that's the reason why a lot of people do cheat because they are in situations like you, like you and your wife have like a life together, right? And in every area, it works, except this one.

and so what's the compromise or what's the fix you know it's either you find a situation outside of your marriage that would work that would that you could fulfill that cuckling where you would have to this is how it could work you would have to go and get a girl friend on the side like a girl you're right and then she could bring in a guy and you could cuckled that way would that work yeah yeah it was right yeah yeah theoretically but it's you know it's that's how you're find that unicorn it's like i'm married i want to fool around with you on discreetly yeah i want to be your cuckold too so i hope you're attracted to me but then i want you to accept to somebody else well you know what where is listen okay you found some things already and and talking to you you found the shit has happened to you that most people don't find so you never know you found that one girl. Where's that girl that you used to fuck and have threesomes with?

Where is she? Well, she's still out there. Yeah. Well. You know, listen, I always feel like when people are listening to me give advice like this. It's like they're like, oh my God, you're such a fucking horrible person, Kathy. Because like,

you know, your wife would like hate me if she heard what I'm telling you. You know, I'm like trying to hook you up to do like terrible things behind your back and giving you ideas. But I mean, like, what else is the solution? You know, you either have to really work on your wife and you have to figure out some sort of compromise, right,

that works between you guys. I don't know. I think personally that you have your wife now talking about, like in bars looking at like other people, are they swingers? You're going to topless beaches. Like these things, this is, I think, is good, right? It's like you're moving forward, maybe slowly.

But I've had other couples on here that were you're at. And then, you know, we're later cuckling and doing all that stuff. Like, it can happen. Like, seriously. You just have to keep pushing her slowly and getting her more comfortable. Are you concerned with any of the things that she said? Like, do you have concerns about it? Like if it actually happened in your relationship,

are you worried it could ruin your relationship? She said she might, if she's going to have sex with somebody, she might find that she loves him more than she loves me. And I can see that happening. Please. How? Through one height of having sex?

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. What do you mean? She could lust him more than you, but not love. Well, I think if, to get to that, time where she would have sex, I think she'd have to have a lot of connection with him and be really interested in him. And I think she would, okay, this is something she had said to me that she thinks if she was with somebody else that she might, might decide she wants to be with him instead of me. Right. So she's worried about she doesn't trust herself. Yeah. She's, yeah, I think she's

coming back to that emotional attachment to somebody she's having sex with. Right. She'd have to be emotionally attached to the person. Yeah. Right. Yeah, that's it. And now you can never sort of, you can never let her know about your, like if she ever was like open to the cuckling thing,

would you want to bring in the bisexual thing with her again? Or would that be something you'd always keep on the down low? I'd have to see how it goes. I'd like to bring it in. Right. But, but, you know, this first step is a huge step.

So, you know, I see how it goes after we do the first step. Yeah. Well, when you're, so you don't do dirty talk because like, can't you do like the whole cuckled fantasy like in like pretend? Do you know what I mean? Like as a fantasy but spoken out loud while you guys are like having sex. We could try that. That is a good idea. That's a good compromise as you're suggesting.

They're asking what's a compromise? That is a possibility. I've never really tried it. It's a little, it's a little bit uncomfortable. with her but yeah but you that's okay you could that could become comfortable after you just you know it's uncomfortable because you haven't done it but if you try and do it and then and then see you know she needs to see like if she's turned on by this like she might be surprised that those the those words that you're saying in the scenario that you're painting for her is something that she's

really interested in that's where you have to go yeah yeah it You're right. It's hard to tell, you know, where it would go. She might be surprised. She might be surprised at how much I'm turned on by it. Right. But you might be surprised that she's turned on by it. She might be surprised that she's turned on by it. Do you know what I'm saying? You're right. Seriously. I've heard it many times on my show that, like, they didn't realize that people didn't realize that that's something that they were into until it happened. And they would have bet for $100, like, dollars, they would have been jealous. They would have not been into, seriously.

And then they wound up being totally into it. So you need to just start painting that picture for her while you're fooling around, sort of talking about it, right? How does that sound? That's a great idea. Don't you think? And see how turned on she gets. And let me tell you, don't just try it once.

She might get freaked out the first time, but like, you have to go slowly with that too do you know what I mean uh-huh go slowly with it and bring that up and then you know and see and work work it into your sex life and you know it may revive your sex life because it's a safe way to do it you know and don't let her like let her think like let her know like don't let her think that this is you you know sort of working her into actually doing it in real life, like, sort of make it like, let's just do this instead. Like, we don't ever have to do it. Let's do this, you know?

Because, listen, if she's into it, right? And you could get her into it just the fantasy and the talking. Eventually, after doing that for a while, she's going to want to do it in real life, just like you have that itch that needs to be scratched. She'll eventually have that too, right? But don't put that pressure on her. Right. plant the seed and let it Yeah, let her get to the point where she's

telling you she's going to go find somebody because she wants it, you know, but for now, let her tell her like, listen, this is like, I don't know what you say when you bring up this situation, but if like you could say to her, like, listen, this is something that I'm really into and I, you know, if we can't do it in real life, like I totally respect how you feel and that's totally cool.

Can we like, you know, do it like it as a fantasy, like live it, you know? Or you could just start talking about it while you're together. I don't know how you're, what the best way to do it is with your wife, you know. But, you know, if you can talk about it and say it, I would put it that way. Like, listen, it's fine if you don't want to do it, but let's live it out like just as a fantasy. It's safe, you know. Yeah, and you said something important that when you said that I should, tell her I respect how she feels. I probably haven't given her enough affirmation that I respect

how she feels. Yeah. Even though, even when she's not into what I'm into, I still, I do respect where she is. Yeah, you let her know that. That'll make her feel safe. What it is is you have to make her feel really safe and feel, you know, that, like what she, all her reservations and stuff and all of it. Because like, like, when she says, oh, I might like the other guy, it's like a part of her, It's like it's all trust, and it's a part of her doesn't even trust herself. She doesn't trust you. It's like a whole scary situation. She doesn't know what she's going to, what would happen to her.

She doesn't know what you would do. So it's a lot of fear. You have to make her feel comfortable. So I think the best way for you guys to play out the fantasy right now, instead of jumping in with somebody else, is just playing that together. That's what I meant by role play, right? Roleplay is like, listen, role play in this situation is, just you and her being you and her.

So there's no roles, right? Like you're being yourself, right? The only thing you're adding in is that third person, right? Yeah, that makes sense. I've never really tried role play with anybody. And when you bring up role play, I just imagine, you know. Yeah, you're not like. You're dressing up in a doctor and patient costume, I'm like, wound up.

Then it's just totally cheesy. No, that's not what I meant. I meant like role playing like the scenario that you want, right? Yeah, that makes a lot more sense. Yeah, you're you, she's her. That's what you want, right? The only thing you're creating is like this fictitious third person there. And you could just make that up as you go.

That's a fantasy, right? Does your wife have a good imagination? Yeah, not just, yeah, but not she expressed it sexually. She doesn't express it sexually. That's okay. So that's good. Let her be quiet because you know what the situation is because you've done it before, right? So you're going to guide the whole thing.

Let her be quiet. it and let her enjoy herself. Like, because the, the, the, you, you don't want her to feel comfortable because that's going to block her from getting turned on, you know? So you do all the work. You do the whole, you go online, you find some cuckled fantasies that you could, you know.

I'm sure if you Google, like, like the, just the dirty talk, you know, cuckled dirty talk, you know, get, get the, get the lingo going. I'm sure you do it, you know. and just talk about what you would want to happen, right? Yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah, and see what happens. Like I said, I don't know if you bring it up in the middle of fooling around one day

or if you tell her like, hey, babe, like, would you be into doing this? Like, one time when we're fooling around, like just doing it as a fantasy, like, that would be, you know, like I said, that's the good compromise. like that protects her and you know goes for her wishes and it but it also helps you yeah good point you know so if she says no that's bullshit because it's really like the most it's really fair for both of you i think don't you think yeah it's true yeah so you need to try that that's like homework we're wrapping this up that's homework you could do it yeah i can can can you can you do me a favor and do that like like ASAP and then we could just do a quick follow-up or you could just tell me what happened and I can let people know because I'm curious to see like what happens. Okay. I'll do that. Okay. So keep me posted. Go back to your wife and do that. I say I don't know. I think in two years you guys can be with other people. I think she's got my prediction and this is what I want to know if I'm right. My prediction is at first the first time she might be a little leery.

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