Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 282 - Charles had an Affair with a Much Younger Woman

Episode Date: May 6, 2019

Charles cheated on his wife with a much younger (engaged) woman and he says the affair actually helped his marriage. How did he meet the much younger woman he had the affair with? What happened between them and how long did it last? Did his wife ever find out and how exactly did the affair make his marriage stronger? Tune in to find out plus hear all about the problems he was having that led him to look elsewhere, the problems the young woman was with her fiancé, how he feels about the affair now that it is in the past and a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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wife? Because he was like an otherwise very monogamous guy. We talk about how he met that girl. Like I said, why he went looking for that girl. What happened with that girl? How that story or that affair ended and what happened with his wife after did she find out did she not find out and how did it make his marriage stronger and a whole lot of other things because i have to say he i mean this might be a cautionary tale because he has some like feeling still about that affair even though it's many years later um and we talk about all that stuff so anyway i'm going to be right back on with charles how you doing today fantastic good so your story you're story is one I've had on before. You cheated on your wife, right? But every story when you get

into the details becomes totally different. And yours has like, I mean, a happy ending. I don't know if we'd say that, but like, you know, the short story is you cheated on your wife with a much younger girl and your wife never found out, right? But you say that it made your marriage stronger, which to me is like the most interesting part of your story, right? And we're not going to go there just yet. I wanted to sort of unfold, but that's the gist of what we're going to be talking about, right? That's your story? That's correct.

So how long were you married? I know you guys have been married for a long time now. I don't know, I don't remember how long it was since you cheated, but like how long into your marriage did you start cheating on your wife? It was almost 20 years. 20 years?

Correct. Okay, you sound so young to me. So you're married. When did you guys get married? How old were you guys? I was 29. You were 29 and how about your wife? 31. And she was 31. Now you remained completely monogamous like before that.

Were there little things here and there? I mean 100% monogamous. 100% yes. Really? That's a long time. Yes. And everything was cool. What was it about like that 20 year mark?

Like was there something going on in your relationship? Because you said that you met this girl in a chat room. So obviously you were like looking for something, right? It wasn't like she's a work, a coworker because I think sometimes that kind of stuff could happen without you really thinking about it, right? Because you're with the person a lot. But you were in a chat room. So like what the fuck were you doing in a chat room, right? At that point, you were there.

Yeah, I was experimenting with anonymous applications. You know, like chat applications. Whisper was the name of the application that I met her on. Right. You ever heard of that? yeah i mean all that stuff like what is whisper i don't know the specific ones but like there are just places where you could go and like just so people post like sayings and different things and then you can comment on them and then you you form relationships but anonymously and then you you know

do kind of fooling around mutual masturbation whatever and it goes from there well let me ask you this Did you, like, is this, like, because I know that you said you didn't cheat on your wife until 20 years in. Like, before that, were you doing, like, online hookups? Like, do you, do you not consider that cheating? Or did that, even that start at 20 years? And you weren't even doing that before. No, I think it was, I just started experimenting with the anonymous chap applications. And that's how I met this girl.

But I'm saying, like, you know, because you said you literally were, like, completely faithful for 20 years. right like to me is a guy completely faithful if 10 years in he's having like you know like chat sex with girls online i don't know you know but like you're none of it like you were doing nothing with other women even online up until that 20 year mark that's what i'm trying that's right okay yes so what made you decide to go into those you know rooms or whatever those are you know to start talking to other women was something going on in your relationship yeah we we have we have a big fight. We had a big fight and she told me it was a burden to have sex with me and that, you know, she didn't, she didn't want to have sex as long as much as I did. And that was,

that was a big problem to me. Right. Well, let me ask you this. Was that problem something that was going on that whole time or was it a new thing? Did it happen start after you start having kids? No, you know what it really, you know, what really happened was I, I'm a musician. That's not my profession, but I play guitar and I became part of a band. And I was using a lot of free time to rehearse and then do gigs. And she, I think, resented that. And that kind of, you know, got her angry at me. And she kind of just lashed out and said, you're...

Told you the truth. Yeah. I'm sorry. Right. Like she was probably. Always feel, I mean, listen, to say like having sex with you as a burden doesn't come out of nowhere, right? Like, right? Right.

She was probably, like, I mean, she was probably feeling that for a while. Probably. I mean, she didn't tell you that, but like that doesn't happen like, unless she's like a spiteful person. I don't know your wife, right? But like, that's like not the way a spiteful person would even freeze it. You know what I mean? Like, you know. But to say like having sex with you is a burden.

And it just sounds like what I think a lot of women feel that way. I think women and men are very different sometimes when it comes to sex and their sex drive, right? Especially when you throw kids in and older age and everything, right? So I think that there's a lot of, that's why I said, like, it's just when she finally admitted it. Because, like, I think a lot of women would say that having sex with her husband is a bird. It's the big joke, right? Like, every girl is like, oh, I got a fuck my guy. Like, you know, I don't know.

So I think that most likely she was feeling that. a while but because you were pissing her off by like not being around she was like I might as well throw this in his face now right but whereas before when you were like the great husband she didn't want to hurt your feelings but now that you were like being kind of dushy she was like why not do you know what I mean you could be yeah absolutely right because it comes out in a fight out of nowhere I mean listen I think you know like just like her sort of burden comment it comes out and you going then just because of one fight online to like find a girl. I mean, that can't be out of nowhere either or just because of the one fight.

Like, do you know what I mean? Like, did it hurt your feelings that bad that it made you go do that? Do you know what I mean? Like, was there other stuff maybe like the fact that maybe you weren't having that much sex with her as well? That you were detached from her a lot and sort of with your friends and doing the band thing that you weren't. as close with her maybe? It could be, yeah. Yeah, I mean, definitely, you know,

I'm a highly sexual kind of person and always looking to have sex and always, you know, if I can't have sex with my wife, then, you know, surfing porn and things like that. So definitely. Right, but I mean, listen, for 20 years, she satisfied you? I was pissed off a lot of the time, but, you know,

Right, so that's what I'm saying. I tried. Right. So that's what I mean. Like it didn't come out of nowhere. It wasn't like that one fight. You, you know, all of a sudden you were a burden and you were going to go look elsewhere. Like you were, there was a lot of times where she probably was feeling that.

And there was a lot of times where you were upset because she wouldn't have sex with you. I'm just trying to get these specifics because I think it's important for other people to hear, right? Because because people that don't want this to happen in their relationship. Like, right? So you want to look at those things. that sort of make people go down that path, right? And what was going on beforehand, right? So that's why I like focus on that kind of stuff too.

It's not really to make you go over it. It's more a lesson to other people, right? They could go learn from your story. So it's just like, I mean, typically, like I said, sometimes like, you know, it's a work thing and sometimes something just happens. You're spending time when someone over time you fall for them, you know, and it's kind of like an accident. But when someone goes looking, not that you were looking for an affair, I'm sure,

but you were like going, doing something that was out of your character for your relationship. You know, most of the time there's stuff that's going on beforehand, right? So there was a lot of times where like the sex, she wasn't sort of matching up to you, right? And what you wanted to do. But you still kept it together for a long time. That's a long time. So did you have a lot of resentment? I think I did.

Yes. Right. So when you went in the- Yeah. So and your wife too, right? Because, and she, so that big fight really was like a turn. point. But really what that fight was was the truth finally came out. He had been stuffing it down the both of you, right? Like there was this problem. You're highly sexual. She wasn't as into it for

whatever reasons. I think this is a huge, hugely common problem, right? In marriages. And so then with the internet, you start, you a person who's so monogamous that you lasted a really long time, even with like issues, right? Like your wife wasn't giving you sex. A lot of the times, maybe you weren't 100% satisfied, but you still had never sort of strayed. But all of a sudden, how old were you when you went on to those chat rooms and you met this girl? Mid-40s. So mid-40s, you go online, you start looking now. Did you have it in your head that you were going to go look for someone and meet someone,

or do you think I'm just going to keep this online and it won't be totally cheating, right? Because I think there's a fine line with that kind of stuff, right? Like, what were your intentions? Yeah, I mean, I was just, I was just fooling around at first. I didn't really have true intentions to meet someone in real life. Mm-hmm. You were just thinking you'll just have a little fun with a stranger online. Yeah, and I got pretty good at it, actually.

I got good at, you know, creating those interactions and and moving from kind of friendship to sexual stuff, and then, you know, doing kind of mutual masturbation chat, sharing pictures, those sorts of things. Right. Now, when you were crossing those lines, did you feel guilty as, or was it just, like, exciting, like no guilt whatsoever?

Like, what were you, what was your experience? Yeah, I don't know. I didn't really feel that guilty. Maybe I should have. No, I don't think so. I didn't. I didn't think I was really crossing a while. I mean, yeah, it's not the best thing to be doing.

Right, but you don't think, well, I'm asking because I think a lot of people wouldn't think, like, there's a two, I think, like I said, it's sort of like a great area. Like, would some people think that's totally cheating and some people might not think it is, you know? So I'm just asking because I wonder if, like, you know, you as someone, someone. that's like very monogamous by nature right felt bad about that i'm assuming that it was like more when you cross the line maybe because i'm i'm thinking like once you got into this whole thing that fight blew over right and things went kind of back to normal with your wife did it no no that wife

that fight really sort of changed things yep yep in what sense i was like i'm going to show her i'm not having sex with her now she's going to have to come beg for it and and did she no No, not really. You showed her. Oh, yeah, great. That's so funny. All right, so she didn't come back begging for it. You were, like, still angry.

I'm still waiting. I'm still waiting for her to come back. Oh, my God, she's not coming back. Wait, so you're online. How long are you, like, just sort of chatting with other girls doing the mutual masturbation thing? And how are you hiding all this shit from your wife? Do you have your own, you're doing it on your own computer? It starts to get a little dangerous when you're exchanging pictures and all that stuff, right?

It's on the phone. It's all on your phone? Yeah, all on. And is your phone locked? How do a couple married couples do it? Like, is your phone locked? Like, what if your wife picks up your phone? Yeah, it was an anonymous application, so it's not, like all the pictures would go through it.

It wouldn't be saved to my phone. Oh, okay. You'd have to go to that. And there was password, password protected that application. Right. Okay. So she couldn't get in it and it was safe. You kept everything there and everything. So how long before you meet the one girl that you actually take it out of that? Like how long were you doing that online? I think it was a couple of months. So I think I started maybe in February. I met her in April. We chatted like friendship non-sexual for quite a while. Uh-huh. And then it kind of shifted a little bit. And, you know, I saw what she looked like.

Well, wait. Let me just ask you this. Do, so I'm assuming, because it's online, right? People could be all over the world. Like, you don't know who you're talking to and where they are, right? Was this the first one that just happened to be, like, close to where you were? I'm assuming she had to be close because you eventually wanted her of having an affair with her, right? So was it like a weird coincidence?

that she was closer was this app like separated by cities and states and shit like that yeah yeah the app the app told you how close someone would be was from you i won't tell you who they were but it would tell you how if they were in the same city or how many miles away or somehow it told you so were you what was the name of this app whisper is that what you said whisper yeah does it still exist i'm not sure it might have been absorbed by some other app like kick or something like that, you know. So it was called Whisper and it would tell you where people were. And so, and was it like known as a cheating app?

Because this girl was also engaged, right? So, you know, was it, was it a cheating app? No, no. It wasn't, I mean, of course, anything that prompts social interaction can end up that way. Right. But it's not a specific cheating app. Because it sounds like Whisper could be a cheating app. You know what I mean?

Like the name whisper. kind of sounds like it's something like you do secretly. You know, it's not like something that's like out there, right? Yeah, I think it was originally designed so that people could just put out anonymous thoughts and then have people kind of comment on them. Uh-huh. That was the whisper kind of thing. Oh, right.

That's, so you could whisper anything. You could say anything you wanted. Right. And nobody would know who you were and you can like my show. Like my show. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Right.

Yeah, there's something to that. people and people really like to unload that kind of stuff so this girl what did she put out there that you responded to she put out something about being involved in an emotional affair she said something i feel guilty because i've had an emotional affair with my best friend or something like that oh okay she was right and i had no idea what an emotional affair was so i just said what what do you mean by emotional affair right and then you you guys start talking. And then we started chatting.

Yes. Now, what was it about her that was different? Was it just the fact that she was like hotter than the rest of the girls? Because you said like other people, and I'm assuming the other, because you know locations, right, you had met other people on there that were close to you. Was it that she was like better looking? Like, why do you think it was her that you sort of took it offline with? None of the other ones were, you know, what was the difference?

Well, I think a lot of, a lot of the interactions, they would be what I call like disposable relationships. Like, you'd meet them. You'd exchange pictures, do the mutual masturbation, and then try to contact them the next day, and they would just ignore you. So I think what was different about this one, yeah, I mean, you know, you're embarrassed or whatever. So this one was more friendship for, I think it was a. number of months before we actually exchanged pictures. So we were just, you know, contacting each other every morning saying, hey, how you doing? You know, and then, and then. So there was no masturbation, sex talk.

Like you were, you guys weren't going down that route. With the other girls, you did that quickly with them, right? But with this girl, it was more like you were just chatting each other up. That was right. Yep. She was having that, she's a professional, emotional, a fair person. That's her thing. Right. So you start just talking to her, and then she sends the picture first before you guys cross the, like, you know, start getting naughty with each other.

Yeah. So she, well, I asked for, she, she was talking about her dog or something like that. And I said, oh, send me a picture of your dog. That was my kind of subtle start of sending pictures. So she sent a picture of her dog, or a cute dog. Did she know you were married? Oh yeah, I think she did. Well, you told her. I'm just assuming, like, I mean, do you know because you told her? We were, yeah. Right, you were talking about it.

We were talking. She told me that she was in an unhappy relationship with her, her fiancé, and that she wasn't having sex there either. And that might have been later on. Right, right. But it all comes out, right. So she sent me the picture of the dog, and then she sends me a picture of her. Mm-hmm.

and what was she? She asked for a picture with me Oh she was She was very very Very pretty Right Very very very pretty

And I know you said she was way younger than you How old was she? I think she was 25 at the time Okay So she was really pretty You're like in your 40s She's and you're both like sort of in Sexless sort of relationships right

right and so then you send her a picture back correct and then what happens what are you on a scale of one to 10 you know i used to ask that question to everybody on my show and people loved it i think but and i haven't done it in a really long time but like what are you i i don't know seven i don't know seven okay that's the typical answer i keep in shape i think i'm probably a little younger i have a lot of energy. Yeah, you have a, your voice. I mean, you sound like you're 35, you know, it's probably what you were, you, you sound to me like a 35 year old. How old are you now? Thank you. I'm almost, I'm over 50 now. Right, but you sound, you sound younger than you are. And I think I could, it's not just your voice. I think you hear someone's like insides through their voice. You know what I

mean? Like younger people. Um, so wait, so you're like at that time, you're in your 40. She's in her early 20s. And so, like, then what happens after she sees your picture? You've got to be somewhat good looking that this young 25-year-old becomes interested, right? I guess. Right. Yes. So I fully expected her to be like, oh, gosh, you're too old. You're ugly, whatever, you know, go away.

But she liked it. Mm-hmm. She liked it. She thought, I guess she thought I was attractive. And so we continued our relationship. and then at some point in time after that, it turned sexual. And how did that happen? Like who sort of threw it out there first?

Do you remember even? Because listen, I'm sure it was flirting going on back and forth, right? You were both. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of remember one night we just started to talk about it, you know, talk about sex and all that. And then we kind of had our first, quote-unquote, mutual masturbation episode, if you will. So that's...

And how was that? I mean, did you do it on cam? Like, are you watching each other? You're just doing it over the phone? No, strictly through chat. Strictly through chat. So you're just typing kind of thing. Right.

Right. That's how it started. It evolved into Skype video. Yeah, well, we'll get into that. So you start doing that with it. You do that the first time, and it's like, and then, and this is like the first ongoing thing you've had, right? Right. With someone on there?

And were you guys like, were you like, you know, is it the type of thing where you guys are like talking to each other every day on this thing? Like in your, or is it like a once a week thing? Like what's the, oh, every day. It's just about every day. Yeah. Right. So that's how why it could really turn into an affair, especially if she lives close because you're like, talking to her every single

days is at the end of the night are you doing it when you're at work like what are you having these all sessions with her all times whenever you can yeah all times okay so how does it

how does it happen that you guys meet up well no how do you get to the Skype thing like who's like the first person that's like let's Skype let's send pick you start sending pictures and stuff like that she she suggested the Skype she said let's let's do Skype and I said, okay.

Right. And so when you Skype. What do you want to do? Right. So then the first time we Skyped, it was just voice. Right. And then eventually it went to video. And it kind of progressed from there.

Right. And so when you're doing video, you're both like masturbating and watching each other. Yes. And you guys have both like the same kind of fantasies or the same kind of dirty minds. like so like you're on the same page absolutely right so it was good and her guy wasn't on the same page as her obviously right

not at all not at all I can't wait to find out if she wind up marrying him but any of don't don't tell me yet so so then so how long do you guys are you guys like Skyping before you wind up meeting up it was a couple

months it was a couple months I think and at that point after doing that for a couple months you must be so jonesing for each other right yeah yeah and who's the one that threw it out there like we should meet up i think it was her i think it was her yeah i think she was like let's uh you know let's let's meet up and and then we did and where did you meet up the first time like do you meet in a hotel do you meet in a bar like would you meet in a car in a parking lot like

Where do you guys? We met in, she was living with her fiance, and we met in their condominium complex. In the complex, like a common room or in their, like in the parking lot in the complex? There's like a park in the middle of the complex. Okay. That's where we met. Okay. Where was her guy at that point?

He often traveled, so he was out of town. Okay. Still dangerous. It's a little dangerous. What if someone sees her? She's a, she's a, she likes that. She lives on the edge. Mm-hmm. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Well, we were in the dark and still. Anyway, so, okay, so she brings, you know what it is? I forget. I'm so old too, that I forget what it's like when you're 25. You don't think of shit the way you think of it when you're older. You know what I mean? That's right. Right. You're just more carefree. So she, you meet her there in the dark, like I don't park bench do you guys fool around or just like you know that first time what happened yeah we just we hold we hold each other kiss each other that kind of thing just made out we didn't do anything sexual she wanted to but like you said i mean she's like oh why don't i give you a blow job right here

i'm like uh well i'm not sure and you're like the old man that's thinking it through right like if you were 25 you would totally let her blow you right that's right right right right we're just old that's what it is yeah so didn't didn't do anything past that just kissed her and you know held her filled her up a little bit that's about it but listen the fact that you guys like met up and didn't like go to your car and like fuck the first time it really shows that like you guys like had feelings for each other right because it's like you guys were just like holding each other You know, that's like romantic kind of stuff, right? Yes.

Yeah. So your affair had already started. We had an emotional affair first, right? Yeah, for sure. That was, like I said, her sort of thing. So did you know whether she was having in that emotional, like, did you ever get the details about that emotional affair with her best friend? I did. Yeah, she had told me something about it, but it, I don't remember too many.

details. But like it wasn't going on at the same time like you became like the the guy that you know. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So that first time you guys don't have like full on sex and you mean, but like where did you, what happened the second time? Like when does it start of evolving until you guys have the first, the first time you guys have sex and where do you do it? Yeah. So the second time, it was it was a similar scenario. I came at night. We met, we met each other. she came into my car and she blew me in the car. Mm-hmm. Did she give good head?

Oh, my God, yes. Really? Oh, my God, yes. And it must have been amazing because, like, you've been with the same woman for 20 years, right? This is like the first time that somebody else is going down on you. Yep. So it was amazing. Yep.

Okay. And this is... Yeah, go on. Go ahead. And then later, I think, that week, we went out to a really nice restaurant and then went to a hotel and then we really had sex. So in a restaurant, like in your town? Close, yeah. Okay. And you had dinner? Yeah.

Yeah, that's like a date. That's a little dangerous, too, because I don't know. I overthink things. Like, I'd be like, what if someone you know walks in? So you guys go out to dinner and then you take her to the hotel and you have sex and the sex is amazing Amazing Amazing she she had no inhibition she was Oh my god I mean she was so wet when we got there it was just unbelievable Well you know I always say it it's sad but true but like cheating sex

Unfortunately like that because it has so much build up and there's just so much more to it sometimes compared to regular sex It's terrible to say, right? Oh, yeah. But there's a feeling to it that sometimes it's like it's much more intense. It can be sometimes. It was, absolutely. Right.

And how long do you spend with her? Because, I mean, I'm assuming you're lying to your wife and telling you're someplace else, right? Like, how long do you guys spend that first night in the hotel after dinner? Like, where are you supposed to be? Where did you tell your wife you were going? Yeah, it was a couple of hours. I was out with friends Okay

And then you go back home now Like did you shower Like were you afraid of getting busted at this point No My wife doesn't like kiss me When I come out Come in the door Or anything like that

I had no fear that she would smell anything on me Because remember at the time We were not really Interacting very well Right you're still Months after that fight You're still not talking well like because of that fight.

I'm still waiting for her to beg me. I know, but that's hilarious. I mean, were you guys like the type of couple that never fought that one fight would get you guys so mad at each other for so long? You know, we fight over little things, but yeah, I mean, not really big things. Right, like that was like a big fight. And because she threw out some truth that was, she was like sort of sitting on that it really sort of damaged your relationship.

That's the problem with keeping things like that inside. And I think a lot of people do, and I understand why people do, you know. But then when it comes out, it can be so damaging, right? Because it's almost like comes out of nowhere to you, right? But it probably wasn't coming out of nowhere, you know. But you guys weren't sort of communicating about like this problem, right? Because in a way, you didn't know it was a burden because you were always frustrated. You were frustrated because there was plenty of times she didn't want to have sex.

You know, so it was kind of like always like in your face. but it was finally sort of spoken out loud and both of you didn't want to hear it. Right. Right. So you're coming home. And I'm assuming you're not feeling guilty about this because you're just like invested in her at this point, right? The new girl, I mean. I felt guilty, a little guilty, sure.

You did? But I did, you know. In the beginning or the whole time? You know, it was funny. I thought like, I don't know. maybe this is this is interesting to you but yeah i thought that like when i fucked her it would just be i would just be overridden with guilt and i wouldn't be able to go through with it and you know my dick would turn soft and i wouldn't be able to right you know but no it was

the opposite yeah exact opposite it was unbelievable it was yeah right so now you're feeling guilty because you really fucking like it and like that didn't happen to you right is like maybe that's what you're feeling guilty about not feeling guilty enough to not do it right yes correct um and what if and i don't know i mean like you didn't i don't know if you i mean was she feeling guilty with that relationship that she had i mean you you had like a long-term marriage you and your wife have kids yeah you have kids right so like i mean you have like you have like this family and this like I mean but what about her with that guy did she wind up marrying that guy no okay so did things go okay so I mean was she wasn't feeling guilty because she didn't have a good

relationship with that guy I mean if you're having problems like that before just when you're engaged I mean that's not really such a stable relationship right yeah I mean it was it was an abusive relationship oh it was I don't I don't believe it was physically abusive but it was definitely emotionally abusive. Right. He was older, similar to me, similar age. The breadwinner, he made a lot of money, and she was just luggage that he carted around.

Right. So she wasn't fulfilled that a lot. That's why she was having these emotional relationships. I mean, a woman's not going to go have an emotional relationship unless she, if she's getting those needs met at home. I mean, that's like if a girl's doing that, because my brother's wife cheated on him, and it was a lot of it was that kind of a thing

because he just doesn't like attach to girls that way. You know what I mean? He wasn't attached to her in an emotional way, you know? And I was always like, I'm sorry, but like a girl's in a potted plant. Like you can't just come home and water it once a day. You know, like a woman requires a lot, much more than a man, you know, in a certain way, right, to keep her.

satisfied right so if a woman's going out and having all these emotional relationships like she was that's a very bad thing you know i mean you got to take care of that part of things with a woman or else you know when she starts to have that that's a that's a that's bad so that guy wasn't sort of fulfilling her at all in anyway um so now after you so once you after that initial time that you did it and you come home and your wife like how long first of all how long did this affair last with the girl it was I don't know, a year and a half, but she, she ended up leaving. She ended up leaving the area where I lived. Why did the relationship end and then she split?

Or like, why did she, not your relationship with her, like the relationship with the guy? Is that what happened? Then she had to move? No, she went and followed the guy. Oh, okay. So he was still with him. Or was carted around by the guy. All right, like her luggage.

Well, you know, he takes his luggage with him. Right. Right. So I think it was just a couple of months. We were fooling around. And then she says to me, I have to talk to you. We have a really big problem. And here I'm thinking, oh, my God, she's pregnant. Oh, oh, right. Oh, my God, she's pregnant. Why were you not using condoms? No. Yeah, nobody uses condoms. That's just a fact. Everyone's got to know this. This is the fact. Nobody uses it. She was on the pill. Right. But still there's other things, but nobody fucking cares. It's across the border just the way that it goes. And we, right.

Yeah. So, but it wasn't that she was pregnant. It was that she needed to leave. Mm-hmm. Because she was still financially attached to this guy and she wanted them. And how far was she going? Like far? Far.

A couple of times zones away. Right. You must have been devastated. No, I was relieved. Oh, interesting. Okay, right. I could see that too. I was looking for a way out.

I was looking for a way out. Why? Let me ask you this. Was it too good? Because she was pushing. She wanted, she had this whole vision of me leaving my wife and us getting married and starting a family and all this other stuff. Why is my mind? My mind didn't even go there.

That's so weird. Like, I don't know what's my problem. I'm like not on it. Of course that was going to happen. she's having the emotional life. So she winds up to really care about you. And what about you? Were you,

did you really care about her? Or was it just like you were getting, I mean, she's having this emotional affair and the sex is involved in it. For you, was it like you're having a sexual affair and like, okay, the emotional stuff come along with it?

Or did you really like her? I really liked her. I really liked her. But did you fall in, but did you fall in love with her a little? bit at all or was I think so yeah I think so yeah okay but you still though felt like she was pressuring you and it was getting too messy and wanted out even though you cared about her a lot right now what was she so after a couple months like what starts to happen with her that you're

like oh god I got to get the fuck out it was well she was she was a little bit overbearing like she would assist that I contact her every day right And some days I didn't feel like contacting her. Right. And she would get upset. Well, let me ask you this. Probably, you know, this is the way women are wired. Like, we can't go backwards.

Like, you can't go from contacting us every day. And then you take that away and contact us only three days away. You know what I mean? Like, it's okay to start with three days. Good to know. Good to know. Well, you don't have to worry about it. You're married, right?

So you're right. You don't have to deal with that ship. But in the dating world, you can't do that. Do you know what I mean? That will drive a woman. been fucking not you can't like backtrack you know so you the problem what I'm trying to say is like you guys spent a lot of time like you were contacting her every day right this you know and then like a couple months later now you're used to this you got her right and now sometimes you don't want

to contact her that's not going to be that great for the girl you know I mean this stuff happens I'm not saying you know it's just interesting so she was freaking out when you wouldn't contact her right because now she's like really into you right you know and um this girl probably it's probably drove her crazy because now here she is like invested emotionally in a guy who is has a relationship with somebody else right so now she's probably jealous of when you're with your wife and now you're not talking to her as much it's just like it's not a good place to be right for her she was probably lucky too i mean she probably didn't want to move but it was probably lucky for her too that she left but I'm assuming she must come back at some point

no I went to visit her once oh okay because you said it happened the affair lasted for a year and a half well the physical part was only a couple of months but we still did the chatting you know the sky thing and all that stuff and after she left oh okay so she comes okay so that's good so she comes to you and it was the best for her and she tells you I have to leave and you're like relieved. Yes. Okay. And then she splits with that guy.

And then you continue to do and you and like for you like you never got caught by your wife, right? That's right. She never caught. Like did, I'm hoping at this point where you and your wife back on terms. I think you keep saying that you keep waiting for her to come back to beg you. So she never did. But did you eventually get over her. Well, actually I should take that back.

She did. She did. We're much better now. Yeah, because you did say on some level the affair made your relationship stronger. Like when does that happen? Is it like, you know, like did you

start to think of your wife differently like at a certain point in this relationship with this girl? Was it after she left? Like, how did that play out or why do you come to that conclusion now? Yeah, well, I think she my wife

realized that you know there was something going on oh she didn't quite know what it was yeah unfortunately she approached me and she said I think that the reason why you're acting this way is because of what I said about you know

being resentful yeah wait so how long into your little like so you're you banged her in real life and all that stuff for a couple of months right you guys were like seeing each other so how long into it does your because you in the beginning when I said like did you take showers were your wife but you was like no my wife didn't even check it out you know when did she start smelling the you know something's fucking going on it was it was months after right months after

because I wasn't bothering her for sex because I didn't need her for sex I you were getting fulfilled you had my 25 year old yeah right so but and then she just came to me and said you know what's going on you always wanted sex now you don't what's going on oh yeah if I was her friend I'd be like what do you think is going on I mean you know you know

yeah I mean yeah yeah she was I mean she doesn't know for sure which is great and she doesn't need to know for sure but she was starting to be like something's up here right yeah and so she would say did she say and what did you say to her like what would you say to her like what would you say to her

when she confronted. Oh, you know, I said, oh, I'm stressed out at work. I've lost my job in between there. So I was stressed out about work. That's good. And then finally, I just, you know, after it ended, I was just like, you know, actually I think it was before it ended. because the 25-year-old, she was getting upset

because she would ask me if I was having sex with my life. I told you, yeah. The crazy, like, you're cheating on her thing. Yeah, exactly. Oh, man, she got really upset. Really upset. Yeah, it's hilarious. My cartoon is like fucking funny,

but like when you're in it, it's like, it's crazy making. It's not a good, this is why you don't do things like that. Right. Because it's like when you look at it on the outside, Outside, like you're, like, she's getting, like, she feels like you're cheating on her, but like, she's the one doing the cheating, right? It doesn't make sense, but it doesn't matter. That's how she's going to feel, right? So she's flipping out that you're, like, actually having sex with your wife?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And now, did you start having sex with your wife? I did. Right. And how was it? Like, was it better? It was.

In a lot of ways, it was. Interesting. I think the reason is is because. I felt more confident. Mm-hmm. You know, because I'd been with this younger woman with all this energy, and I was able to, you know, hold back and have her orgasm multiple times. And then I was able to do the same thing with my wife.

And it became better. Right. You were more confident because you had somebody, like, really into you. And you could, like, and, you know, for that long, you know, you were, like, in a rut with your wife, be, right? She revived you. So wait to, yeah, go on. No, you say what you were going to say. But I was going to say that, you know, there's still extreme differences between her and my wife. My wife was always like, you know, this is the way women are. Women aren't sexual like men. Well, I prove that wrong. Right, because your 25-year-old really was.

Oh, my God. She used to call me up, but she'd be like, you know what I'm doing right now? Right. You know, I'm figuring my asshole. right and I'm like I'm at work right now send me a picture but this is the weird

but this is the weird thing I'll say and I don't think every girl's like this but I was like damaged goods like crazy girl when I was younger and now I'm older and I have to say like when I was younger I might have been

more like her and like just always wondering like guy friends of my my guy boyfriends would be like oh you're like too mad it's too mad like they couldn't keep up with me sexually you know but when i sort of straighten myself out right and clean myself up and i quit drinking i'm like a very different person now i'm a little bit more like a regular girl to the point where sometimes i'm like oh i wish i was like more fucked up like i used to be you know because i just like it was like a little

bit more fun right like i was just like so overly horny all the time whereas i feel like once i wired myself properly i became a little bit more like a regular woman where i kind of like need to like somebody and you know and it's just like so you know it could be that you know your wife is there's some truth into what your wife is saying that men and women you know but when you're kind of like a little fucked up and your wiring goes a little off you could be a little bit more horny not to say though that there aren't women out there that are healthy normal happy people and they're as horny as guys you know but i do think as a person who live both ways as someone who is super promiscuous and really into all kinds of sex and now it's like you know I still would like all that stuff and I'm

open about it but I'm like it it's just a different thing so I I wouldn't discount what your wife's was trying to say you know right and if you met that 25 year old at 35 like you know and maybe she would be different maybe you know so um so your wife so she leaves you get back with your wife And then she stops, I'm assuming, you know, because you stop, like, having sex with the girl, she stops questioning you about, like, what's going on because you guys start to have sex and it's really good and stuff. Like, does she get off your back about, like, what the fuck's up? Your wife? My wife, yeah.

Right. Well, actually, I think I went to a therapist. You did? I went to a therapist, yes. How come? Like, did your wife want you to? Did you do it on your own? Like, what was going on with?

you that you, was it because you had lost your job and you were freaking out? Yeah, I had just got another job. Mm-hmm. And I was, I don't know, I guess I was kind of feeling guilty and was, and wanted to do something to show my wife that I was serious about our relationship. So I volunteered to go to counseling. Because you guys, you and your wife were still talking about having issues. Is that what it was?

like you guys were still. Yeah. Oh, okay. Okay, cool. And you were feeling guilty. Was this when she was still here, or did you start to feel guilty after she left? The girl.

She was gone. She was gone. But you were still Skyping with her and stuff. Correct, yeah. Right. And so when you went to therapy, was that the first time? Because nobody else knew about, I mean, because I know you said this was the first time you're going to talk about it on my show.

I'm assuming you spoke with your therapist. But, like, you never told anyone like a brother or sister or a friend or anything. No one, right? No. No. nobody so when you not even a therapist oh you didn't no we talked about other things oh interesting you didn't even lay like you didn't even tell the therapist that's that's interesting did you not feel like was your wife going to the therapist too at certain times or like did you do she wasn't

but you still didn't feel to tell him her him her her her her her no interesting how long ago this is the first time you're really talking about it out loud that's correct Yes. Yeah, wait until you hear it back. It'll be, it'll be interesting for you. I don't know if I want to hear it back. You should. No, it's so great.

I have to tell you, I promise you. It's such an interesting experience to hear your story as a third person and you get so much more out of it than actually saying, than talking about it. I think you should. I think you should have told your therapist because, listen, I don't believe in these people that are like, oh, I feel guilty. It's who I told, like, why did you tell your wife? Because I felt so guilty I had to tell her. It's just like, I don't think like your wife needs. to know but I think even if you have like a little bit of guilt still left like do you have let me ask

you the question do you have at this point now that you're past it that you could see that your relationship is stronger you kind of got out Scott free your wife never found out she left everything's back to normal do you feel any guilt over what you did oh yeah you still yeah so that I do absolutely so then you should I would not suggest anyone go down this road What interesting. See, that's interesting. Because you can't get it out of your head? That's correct, yes.

How long ago was the really, how long has it been? Did I ask you that? How long has it been since you, that affair is over? Hmm. Probably two, two and something years. Listen to that. I mean, that's interesting. Two years later.

Just over two years. Two years later. and you still feel really bad about what you did. Oh my God, sure. Yeah. That's interesting. I mean, that's like you say, and you would not recommend it.

No, it's not worth it. No. That good sex and all that and just to get your wife back. And let me ask you this, though. I mean, you're better off going to a whore get in pain for it. And not having it.

Do you think, what do you feel the most guilty for? Do you think because it was like a relationship and you saw the same person? Like, what's the difference between a quote unquote whore and, like, the girl that you were with? Well, I mean, yeah, it was an involved relationship. It was heavily emotional. It took up a lot of your time.

You were doing it. There was a lot of deceit. There was a lot of deceit. A lot of time, a lot of deceit. And not only that, but on her side, I mean, she was crushed when it ended. Right. So you felt bad, you even feel bad for her?

Yeah. Right, for what you did to her. So where is that, the feeling bad? Is it mostly for the girl? Is it for your wife? Is it split both ways? Mostly for my wife. Right, but and also for the girl.

So you live with a heavy sort of burden on you. Like, I'm so, why, are you still in therapy at all? No. No. I went a couple of times and. And then you see. Yeah, well, that's. And I went again.

I went again at the last part of last year. Yeah, you need to go and you need to tell this store. You need to go to a therapist and you need to confess to them and talk this through so you could, you know, release yourself from this. Because, listen, you know, you're going to eventually have. I thought I was doing that with you. You are, but I don't know. You're like you're going to listen to the podcast. But, you know, see how you feel.

but if you still have times where you feel bad and you still carry all this guilt, like it's not, you should talk more. Do you know what I mean? Like you should go into therapy and see what you could do. Like I think it will be, like I said, very interesting for you to listen to it back. I think the fact that you were at the point in your life

where you took, you know, you emailed me, right? And you came on the show to talk about it. like shows that you're like ready to probably sort of release it and forgive yourself, right? Because you eventually are going to have to like forgive yourself for doing it, right? But you're going to have to maybe go through other sort of emotions before you get there, right? But at the end of the day, you're going to have to be like, I did a bad thing. I'm not a bad person, right? I mean, and, you know, I think though hearing like this show and listening to like all that stuff like we talked about,

what was going on before and what was going on in a relationship and, you know, I don't know, it will help you somewhat, but I don't know that it will release, you know, what you're feeling now two and a half years later. That's hardcore. You know, you might need more than one, you know, our conversation. And that's what therapy is for, but therapy cannot help you if you don't go in there and be totally honest. You know, there you were like where your relationship ended, you know, you know, you

You're with your wife and you felt like the best thing you could do for your wife is to go into therapy. But you went in and you didn't even talk about like the most important thing, which was that you had straight. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. And stuff. You were able to mend things with your wife. You guys are better than ever now. But I think for you to be good with yourself, like you need to talk this through with a therapist, you know, and I think it'll be very beneficial and it'll only help your marriage even more.

but you have to help yourself at this point, you know, because it's not good to carry around that kind of feeling, right? Right. I mean, did, like, do you like feeling guilty? Like, I mean, is it, like, do you want to get past it? No, no, no, no. Don't you want to get past it? Feeling guilty is bad. No, I don't like feeling guilty.

Right. You know, I have forgiven myself. That's good. That's important. Because I realize I can't change it. It happened. I can't change it. Right.

I was extremely lucky. for those of you that think this is a cool thing, not a cool thing. I was extremely lucky. That you didn't get caught because a lot of people do. I thought for sure she was going to come after me. I thought for sure she was going to do something

that was going to jeopardize my marriage. Right. That's a scary thing about having like a real affair, right? Because if the other woman gets sort of hooked like this girl, like it was the best thing that she moved because she might have been knocking on your door and telling your wife if she stayed and got really crazy about you. Do you know what I mean?

Right. And you ever rejected her or anything. And that happens. I think that happens a lot of the time, you know? And that's how a wife finds out, you know? So, you know, but I still think there's no reason to feel like two and a half years later to be still like, I don't know, having feelings about it. I don't know. I think you should

release them. Maybe this show will be enough for you doing it. I think there's something. maybe. Maybe. to be said about saying something out loud for the first time and just really coming, you know, completely clean and honest with what you did and who you are. And then to hear it back as a as a third person, you'll, it, that's so helpful you can't even imagine until you experience it. And that's what happens all the time with my callers, you know. Awesome. So, and that's why I like to. I'll take your word for it. Yeah, you'll see. So you have to listen. You have to get to the point where you can listen. And then afterwards, if like, two months from now, you get to the point where you feel a little bad again.

Like, just get into therapy. Therapy is great. I think, you know, you're not going to have to be in years of therapy for something like this. But, you know, if you still have it, you just go talk to somebody and come clean and just talk it out a little bit more. But you and your wife are good now. The sex is good. Everything's good. Sex is as good as it's going to be.

That's cool. Now, are you on any chat lines or like, are you doing any of that shit still? No, uh-uh. No, no. Okay. No desires, no doing it, no online, no chat relationships, nothing. Nope. Nope.

So maybe a little guilt is a little good for you. Do you know what I mean? Maybe that keeps you like in the right place. Maybe it's not so bad to have that little bit of guilt left because that'll keep something. Because listen, there's all different kinds of people, right? I never, I don't believe like, oh, like everybody should follow the same rules and regulations. right we all make them up for ourselves that's what i believe right and the reason why you feel really bad is because you're basically a monogamous guy like that's just who you are right

right that's that's who you are like another guy might be able to do what you did and be totally okay with it you know um but for you so i think you know the guilt for somebody like you maybe is just a little remembrance of like you know the consequences of like what you know you did you know, and maybe that helps you to never do it again. So I take it back. Maybe don't go in therapy. You know. Okay.

We'll see. Yeah, we'll see. All right. So anyway, thanks for calling in. And let me know what you think of after you listen. I want to see how you feel. Okay. All right.

Sounds great. Okay. Thanks for calling in. Bye, Charles. Yep. Bye. Nice. Talk to you about it.

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