Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 283 - Brad and Janet Use to be Best Friends and Now They're Swingers

Episode Date: May 13, 2019

Brad and Janet used to be best friends and now they're married and they've been swinging successfully for the past five years. How did their relationship change? How and when did they first start swinging? Where do they go to swing and how do they meet other couples to swing with? Tune on to find out plus hear all about Brad's bisexuality and how and why he kept it a secret from Janet, how Janet felt about it once she found out, how male bisexuality is looked upon in "the lifestyle," how far they have taken their swinging, what they feel is the keys to successful swinging and a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And there was like one big secret that Brad was keeping from Janet the whole time, which was. that he was by and she never knew that even though they were so super close as friends he had never told her even after they started to like hook up and keep their you know let their freak legs fly with everything else that they were doing he still hadn't told her um so that's what we talk about we talk about how they went from being just really good friends to a couple who swings together uh we talk about how and why he kept that secret a secret also how he told her and how she reacted and how she felt about that. We discuss, of course, all the things that they do as swingers.

And we discuss, like, what it takes to be successful swingers. I mean, they had some rules going in, and then eventually over time those rules went away. We talk about that. We talk about their rules as well as, like, why they went away and all that stuff. And like I said, we get into the specifics about what they do. So there's a lot to, there's a lot to learn. and there's a lot of interesting stuff that goes on in this episode. So anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Brad and Janet.

Brad and Janet, right? Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. I got a couple on today. Brad and Janet, right? You guys are calling from Canada, right? Is that okay for me to say? I could cut that out if you are. Absolutely.

Okay. I'll change your voices, by the way, just so you know I change everyone's voices on my show. So no one will know who you are. Okay. Okay, cool. So Brad and Janet, your story starts off with you guys were like friends with benefits right

correct yeah and you Janet were like pushing him for more I guess you caught feelings before he did right and you were a little hesitant Brad because and I'm just going to start with all this information then we'll take it from there because you were I mean did you like her though too and wanted to be in a relationship with her was

was it just strictly the fact that you're bisexual and you didn't think that she would accept it Like, what was the reason that you didn't want to take it further in the beginning? That's pretty much it. I knew I was by. And it's not a topic that is widely talked about or it's not a topic that a guy really wants to come out to a girl that, you know, he's, quote-unquote, dating or friends of benefits. Yeah. Hey, this is, I'm by.

You know what I mean? so yes I was very reluctant at first and because I didn't think she would accept it or what she would think so I just kind of pushed her away a wee bit and

it's not going to happen because I'm this way right let me just dig into that a little bit before we go further now when did you were you openly by were you secretly by like did other people know in your life and she just you just didn't

tell the girl you were dating or was this like a total secret life that you had the whole bisexual thing was totally secret like obviously you know you're not going to tell your friends or anything like that like i i didn't want to um i yeah it was just totally closeted how old are you now you guys both i am 44 oh you're 44 okay i didn't know if you were like super young because like kids now the young kids nowadays do tell their friends you know what i mean it's like our generation i'm older like you guys like it things like that had to be kept in secret you know what I mean people sort of did that more so I think than people now younger people today but anyway so you didn't tell anybody and so you were just living as like a heterosexual guy and like the bi thing was in the closet

when was the first time you ever hooked up with a guy how old were you first first time I ever hooked up with a guy um was with an ex-girlfriend of mine um um It accidentally came out. That was by, and she kind of liked it. So we found a guy. We had him come over. And then that was the first experience. And we had a couple three swims with them.

And then he kind of told us about this whole swinger lifestyle type deal. And then he told us names of clubs and some other websites and that's not that. and I was interested in it, but she wasn't. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. One second. You're not talking about Janet, right? This is another girl, right? Correct.

Oh, okay, because, okay, okay, cool. So this was like a girl way before you were with Janet, right? Correct. Who's on the phone with us now? Janet's there, right? Janet, say hi. Yeah. Okay.

Hello. All right, so you and this girl, you get into the whole swinger thing, too? You and her as well? No. She didn't want that. She didn't want, because we briefly cut, we were on our way out, relationship-wise. We both kind of knew that, but we did this threesome anyway. I knew I wanted more. She didn't want to. She ended up moving away from work. I had to stay in the area, so we ended up breaking up. Right. Okay. When you say you wanted more, more what? More dudes and more swinging? Or more. of a relationship with her? No, I wanted more with, like, sexually. Like, I knew I wanted to do more with guys.

I wanted to do more with seeing, you know, seeing my partner with another guy, like, like, everything. Like, some BDSM, like, there was a lot going on in my head. Right. And now how old were you when you were with that girl? Oh, middle 30s maybe. Oh, okay. So you were by and for a long, I mean, you stayed, like you didn't, you weren't with a guy for a really long time.

So it was just like a fantasy for you for a very long time. I mean, to keep it under wrap. So you must have like at that point, once you open Pandora's box, you were like ready to get by, stay in that sort of world. Yeah, exactly. That's a great analogy. I opened Pandora's box. Right. And then now once your freak flag was flying, you just.

who wanted to go all the way, right? How long after that girl? Now, after that girl, what happened? Did you start hooking up with guys on your own? Or did you meet Janet right after that? Or was there anything in between? Well, Janet and I, interesting enough, Janet and I have known each other for 18 years.

Oh, okay. He was married and everything like that. And I knew her, but there was, like, there was nothing. Mm-hmm. And then our kids play sports together, so we would see each other, you know, every once in a while. And then we started talking. But kids, where did the kids come in? You said you have kids.

Where did the kids come into play? After that girl. No, our kids are, sorry, our kids play sports together. Right. You have kids. I know, but. Not our kids together. No, I know not your kids together.

I know that. but I'm saying when you're jumping like who did you have kids with Brad you I'm I was previously yes I'm I'm sorry I'm previous I was married at one point in time I had three kids with the next wife separated with her then I got together with my girlfriend and now and then okay so the whole okay so the the bisexual stuff came even after your marriage like you were married kids the whole thing right and absolutely and I always had it the vice in the back of my head. I've known for years.

Right. But never could act upon it. Never had the balls to do it. So you must have been really happy when you met that girl and let it out by accident. And the fact that she was, you know, open to it, you must have felt like you hit the jackpot. And then when it ended, but then you meet Janet. So you and Janet, so your kids are playing together. Janet's married at the time, right?

Your divorce? No. You're both divorced. She, like, yes. Well, I'll tell my story. Okay. Let's just like you and talk for a bit. Okay.

I was married for 10 plus years. Mm-hmm. I am by, and I have felt like I have been my whole life. Right. But never acted on it. And then when I was married, I kind of skirted around the topic with my husband, and he was totally, totally put off and grossed out by it. You're kidding.

That's like the rare guy. I mean, most guys, I mean, say that they would totally be into it, right? When he turned 30, I'm like, I will give you a threesome. Right. No, didn't want it. It wasn't interested. Interesting. Not at all.

So I eventually, no, not at all. So I eventually started looking for women on my own and was with women on the side without him knowing because he despised it and thought it was gross. and horrible and let me ask you this when you propose that threesome to him was it like I want to be with a woman and you could fuck her too

like were you even giving him the past to full around and he still said no right interesting did he like and he made me feel disgusting he made me feel that it was wrong right yeah that's that's too bad

right because it's just like this is just what you were into right And so you just wanted to explore it. Yeah, and you didn't feel like there was anything wrong, but it's terrible to be with somebody that makes you feel that way. So you started cheating on him with women behind his back. Yes. Oh, my God.

I did have one that I was going to meet and everything, but he was just so dead against it. And I just, I just did it and I just did it on my own. With the one that you were going to meet with him? I didn't have any specific. Right. I was going to get to be in a threesome, but I just was throwing it out there thinking, can we look into this? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was a no. So where did you go looking for the girls for yourself? Craigslist? Craigslist, yeah. And what was your first experience like? Oh, it was amazing. And was it someone that you met on? Craigslist, like what was her deal?

Like, what went down? It was a friend of a friend. How did that happen? And that was your first time with a woman, correct? Yes. A friend of mine had been playing with a couple. Right. And she wasn't by, but the wife was by.

So she said, well, let's have a foursome, and this woman will let you play with her, but she won't play with you because she's not fully by. But she's into that, but not. totally all the way. So we set up one night and I said it was going to go to the movies or whatever and we had a fun night. The foursome. Yeah, but I wasn't with him or my friend. I was just with. Right, just with the woman. But everyone was in front of each other. Everyone did each other in front of each other. I mean, that's what went down. And that was the first time I could like sit there and

watch people having sex and it was just amazing. Yeah, because I was going to say, like, you did a lot more than just be with a woman that first time. I mean, like, you talk about opening up a Pandora's box in that first experience for you. You were really turned on to, like, a lot of things that would become, you know, the stuff that you wanted to be really into, right? And did you even know that you would be into that? the other aspect of it as far as, you know, the watching other people and all that?

Or did that just happen by accident, kind of, right? I've heard that before. The slinger lifestyle is nothing that I would have ever thought about. Right. But once I got introduced to this and got to watch it and, like, we played for hours. Like, took a break. We had something to eat in between. There was toys out.

It was amazing. And you were with the girl, right? And you were just, you just fooled around with the girl, right? And then the other guy and his wife fooled around with each other. But everybody was just like watching each other. Yeah, everybody's all to see a room. We're in a big living room. There was blankets and pillows.

But let me just ask you this, though. How does this come up between you and your girlfriend that she's like, oh, I mean, because normally a lot of people keep this stuff under wraps, right? And so your girlfriend and her guy was- You tell each other everything. Oh, okay. That's cool. so she was very open about her and her husband getting another girl and you were I guess open about you and your husband not being able to get another girl and that you wanted to sort of do it he knew it all right right oh right that's cool and so she she asked you to join and so you did it for hours with them and did that now I mean did that guy know your husband?

No really okay because normally like sometimes friends you know the guys are friends too whatever So how many times, like for how long did you cheat on your husband behind his back in these kinds of situations? That was, it was just that one time. Oh, okay. We were towards the end of the marriage anyway. Mm-hmm. I wasn't satisfied at all. Right.

And he turned me down so many times, made me feel crappy about how I wanted to play and my feelings. So I just, we were done. Right. So you guys got divorced after that. Now, did you ever hook up with all those people ever again? No, never. Really? I'm surprised.

Yeah. You know, see them the odd time grocery shop, and I'm like, hey. But never, like, part two or anything. No. What was the other, what was the other woman's deal? Like, I know your friend was married. Like, who was the unicorn in that relationship? Where'd she come from?

What was her story? Do you know? She was my best friend. the other one you had there were two both of them were your friends yeah there was a married there was a married couple and i wasn't really friends with oh right right right the couple right right right the couple right i'm sorry i that's why i was that's why the guy didn't know your husband it was my best friend right said hey let's do you want to give it a shot and i'm like yes i do because i didn't know if i was if i wasn't going to like it i didn't know how i just didn't know right

Right. Oh, my God. I'm so confused. I just got a little confused. So were you fooling around with your friend or the woman and the couple? You were with your friend. The woman of the couple. The woman of the couple, right? Okay. And who was your friend with? She was sleeping with the husband. Okay. I started as a threesome. Yeah, okay. Now it all makes, I don't know why I got a little confused there. There's just so many people involved. Well, it could be confusing, I'm sure. Yeah, not really. But like, okay. Okay, so it was like you're, okay, so forget I should just take out the holds as your husband, the husbands know each other. Okay, so you guys get divorced. And then you guys are like, in this whole time that this is all happening with both of you, you guys sort of know each other, right? You and Brad. Yeah, we know each other and we'd start chatting.

And then after I'm separated and he was single, living alone, we just started chatting. and we were very open to each other, and it was so nice to be able to be open and talk about everything. Like about sex. She actually told me about this whole experience. Like, hey, I got this opportunity, and I'm like, go for it, do it.

Oh, you, so while that was happening, you were friends with her, and she told you about it. Yeah. But you were married. Yeah, we've been friends for almost 20 years. Right. Oh, okay, that's interesting.

So, and you, and now, Brad, when she was telling you that story, were you getting like a boner? Like, did you know that you were, like, attracted to her? Or was there like, like, it was like, oh, she was your friend and you just didn't think of it, like her that way? Both. I'm like, wow, this is great.

Like, again, I'm kind of jealous. I don't get to be involved. But I'm like, yeah, go for it. Like, if you have these tendencies, these feelings, then do it. Like, you got to do it. Right. Now, where were you in your life? Were you divorced?

Were you dating? Were you single when this was going down with her? I was long divorced, and I was single living on my own. Right. Okay. So I would, we would, sorry? No, go on. So her and I would chat, like I say, we would text back and forth and just chat.

So she told me she had this opportunity. I'm like, yep, go, go. Let me ask you this, though, while you were single and she was still with her husband, right? and you were with no one. Were you still continuing to see guys? Like, was that something that you were doing on the down, though? No, I wasn't hooking up with anybody on the side, really. Like, we live in a small town.

So it's something like, you know, where would you find someone? Would someone out you? Like, I just, you know, like, I was scared. You know what I mean? So, no, I didn't do any of that. Right. Okay. So you were, you still had a.

been like was the only guy that you were ever with that situation or that one guy when you're with him multiple times the one guy with your girlfriend? Correct. Okay. So how does it happen that you guys go from being friends of like so many years to hooking up? I mean, I've had the experience where I've turned to, like I've been friends with someone for a long time and then all of a sudden, you know, it, it changes. Like, how did that happen for you guys?

What happened? Were you drunk one night? Believe it not. Believe it not. Well, we just started chatting and we were both very, very open, and we both felt very comfortable being open. So we just talked a lot and a connection came. I know I was pushing more than him because he was trying to fight it. It was a roller coaster for a while.

Fight you guys even just flying around? Not at the beginning, no. She wants to know how we ended up hooking up. Yeah, that's what I mean. Not how you wind up hooking, like having a relate, like being together together. I'm saying like, how did it go from you guys being friends and never hooking up and just talking about other people with each other to actually hooking up? Okay. So she went, she went bra shopping one day.

And she sends me this message says, I just went bra shopping. I got new bras. I'm like, oh, let me see it. So she took a picture of the bra and sent it to me. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. I want to see it on you. Mm-hmm. So she sent me a picture of her bra on her,

and then it started into sexting more, like between her and I. I'm like, oh, well, went back and forth, this and that, and we're like, you know, one thing led to another, and we ended up hooking up. Right. And how great was your first time with being together? Oh, it was like a wham-bam, thank you, ma'am. Oh, really?

It was just, I don't know, it was just, yeah, both nervous, weren't sure how this would work out. Right. There was so much tension, buildup. Yeah, so we did play, and then afterwards, we were like, whoa, and then we started talking more and sexting more, and when I got into my relationship, I didn't want to be, I wanted to explore.

I didn't want to be into the monogamous relationship. Right. But I didn't know the whole world, lifestyle world. Right. Okay. You know what I mean? I didn't understand it. But I knew I didn't want to be back to where you were with your husband.

Like you didn't want to go backwards. Yeah. Right. But you didn't know where you would fit in, right, just yet. And at this point in time, she still doesn't know that I'm by. Right. Yeah, exactly. So we started talking about, you know, what do we like sexually, like, would you want to watch people?

And then we started looking into, like, swinging groups. There's a lot out there, and there was some, like, close by some people. So we just started exploring that together. And this was, first of all, how long guys been together now? Five and a half here. So five and a half years ago. Like straight from the beginning, right? Because you guys were open with each other.

You guys are like right after you guys hook up, you guys start to go. We probably have been texting for at least 10, 15 years as friends. Right. But I'm just saying that once you guys started to fool around with each other, it wasn't like the freaky stuff came later. Like because you guys knew what you were both into and you were both sort of really. Right away. Yeah. You got into it right away, yeah.

Yeah. I had told her that I had a fascination of seeing her with another man. Right. And she thought it was nuts. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I was like, what the hell? Does you want to get rid of me? He just got me.

Right. Uh-huh. So I tried to explain to her that this has nothing to do with wanting to get rid of you. This is like, this is a fascination of me. want to watch you with another guy. Like this is like I'm serious. So we talked about it. We agreed upon it.

So once again, we placed an ad on Craigslist for a guy. Right. So. No. No, we went on the website. The first one was a couple. The first, so we said, okay, let's be with a couple. So we put an ad on.

We found a couple. we found a couple and they wanted us to be verified and we're like well what do you need to verify we want you to go to this website and join it so we know that you're real we're like yeah okay so we went and joined this website and then we got introduced to a whole group of people we never seen these we never heard or seen these people again okay they like just disappeared but they got us hooked onto a slinger site oh okay that's interesting maybe they were they were just that's how they got people on maybe they own the site

no we just we never ran into them again never heard from never ran into them or anything that I'd sure like to thank their hands or thank them though right because that's where that opened up a lot of things for you guys that what was the website oh yeah absolutely so then it came along like I say about wanting to see her with another guy. So on that website, she started talking to a single guy.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And he was close to the area, and he talked of it. Now, he was married, but his wife was okay with him exploring on his own. Mm-hmm.

And I even talked to her, like, messages her on the computer and everything. Just to make sure, right, she was cool. Mm-hmm. Yeah, because it was all weird situation to me at that point. Yeah. So then he came over and I was

like so scared. I'm like, don't leave me alone with them. Like, you have to do the bathroom. Like I'm going to come with you. Like I was just very so, you know, I came over and broke the ice as a little awkward. And we went into the bedroom and started playing. But I went to the bathroom

and came back and I was giving the guy head. So it was fine. Wait a second. You cut out. you to walk into. Wait, her giving the guy head, right? But she still doesn't know that like you're like, it's so great for you because you're by, right? That's like an added thing. I mean, I had a cuckling guy on recently and I was like trying to find out whether all people that are into that are by or not. I don't know if that's always the case. Into swinging? No, not into swinging. Into the whole seeing their girl like with another man. You know what I mean? Like whether there's always that sort of aspect to

it because, you know, I mean, for you, because some got, a lot of guys I found out through doing my podcast, a lot of guys want to see their girl, fuck another guy or do whatever, you know, but are all those guys by? I don't, I don't think so, right? No, right? But you were. So, like, she doesn't realize, though at this point that, like, it's not just you watching her.

You're also, it's also because you're into guys, right? I mean, that's going to add to it for you, right? Right. because like you say like just to see her sucking a dick right like i mean you like her and you like the dick so it's like double pleasure for you so exactly let me ask you this because you knew janet that you like to watch people together right like you wanted to see him at like was it a turn on for you to see him with other women well when we first started it in the lifestyle we have a lot a rule. What were those rules?

The rules was, I didn't want to see him with another woman. Oh, interesting. Okay. I didn't want to see him with another woman. Same room. Thought swap. No kissing. No kissing. Okay.

Because I was so new to it. Right, right. No, but that's smart. Why, you know what I mean? Like, it's good to keep the, just and take, you know, going kind of slowly instead, right? A lot of A lot of newcomers in the lifestyle have many rules, and they just, over time, disappear. Like, how many years have we been into it now? Like, five years?

At least. Yeah. And we only have one rule. What's the rule? And that's always work on them. Oh, right. Okay. But you started with all those other rules, and then they all went away.

Yes. Right. Yes. But listen, you're five years in and you're successful, and that must be, like, you know, a big key to being successful, right? because I've had some swingers gone wrong stories. And most of the time there are because they do it on the fly and they don't have the talks and they don't discuss and they don't have any rules.

And then everyone, you know, shit goes, people get freaked out, right? So those were your rules at first. And so that first time, when do you wind up admitting that you're by to her? Like, how did that come about? I was actually the way on work and her and I were texting. still to this day her and I have our best conversations texting it's

wild like we could it's kind of funny and say but I still sexed my wife no that's great that's great though so anyway I was away from work and was having a few drinks and we were sitting there chatting

and it just it was getting like we were getting almost into an argument of because I kept telling her a week more you together like there's no way this man she kept telling me like why why can't like you're not telling me the reason of mine so finally said you know what because i'm by and that's me right you just had to throw it out there how long into your fooling around did you did this come up janet a year or so oh wow i'm surprised because you were like she had really let her freak flag

fly with you and you were really showing her all of you and you guys were such good friends. It's so interesting that you just, I think what it is is that, like, because you were good friends with her for so long, right? It's kind of like more of a secret to reveal to her because it's like you hadn't told her all those years. Whereas, like, when you met that other girl, it could come out because, you know, you just met that person, right?

It's almost harder, and it would seem like the opposite, right? It would be easier to tell someone that you're really close with that you know for so long. But it's kind of harder, right? because you had gone so long with not telling her. Right. Right? Yeah, and I think that was a little bit hard for me, too. Like, why are you withholding this?

We've talked about everything. Right. He's done so much together. Why are you not telling me this one thing? And when he did, I was, like, absolutely floored. Right, were you? And he was away. He didn't totally know what to say.

Yes. We weren't living together at that time. We didn't live together right away. Because he's got kids. I've got kids. We didn't want to jump in together. Right, right, totally. We wanted to ease everybody into good.

Mm-hmm. And you guys were just hooking up, but you're doing all kinds of like swinger stuff, right? With each other. Yeah, because we don't have every other weekend. We don't have kids. So, yeah, we would get to have our fun time then. But when he told me he was by,

all like a picture is I never wanted to see him on his hands and knees. Notting a cock. No. That's asking does not bug me at all. That's hot. But I just couldn't get through my head, him on his knees, suck my cock. Right. There's something about that sort of vision that would have just ruined it for you.

But I could understand where he's coming from because I'm by too and I had to hide it for so long. Right. That's why I was thinking like why did he feel like he, you know, you couldn't tell her, right? Yeah. Considering she had revealed to you that she was by. but I think listen I think that there's a double standard there is a double standard right I think that's why so many women are so many more women are more out than men because I think that it's just been more acceptable for women to be by than men and even even now like we're just to just to jump forward just a little bit or whatever because it's going to add to the story we're on like there's we're on Facebook groups for swingers and stuff like that and like there's almost like an underground world of guys that are by. Right.

Because guys don't want to admit even in the swingers world. You could be, you know what I mean? Yeah. Where everything is acceptable. It's still not acceptable for guys and a lot are afraid to come out. Yeah, but yet they exist. You don't have any guys I have on my show that are like married and fucking guys behind their back, their wise backs.

You know what I mean? Like it's just like I think that it's like there's probably just. as many by guys as there are by women, right? But I still think that there's a slight, there's still a stigma about it. You know what I mean? It's just not, it hasn't had its time yet that it's become. Because I remember, listen, you know,

I remember when it was very taboo for women to be by too. I mean, there was that time, right? And then there was that whole shift where it became like, you know, sort of cool and like the thing, you know? And I think it's like, when porn stars became like they were like they became more mainstream, you know, it's just like things changed. So it became very okay for women.

But it wasn't that way for women either 20 years ago. No, it wasn't. Right? 20, 30 years ago. But anyway, but you were, you were open about it. He wasn't. So he tells you you're freaked out. And it's kind of fucked up because he's like so far away, right?

And he's like, and you're like, what do you do? Like, so what were you freaked out about? Like was it that was it like everything was it that he had never told you? Because it's like it is kind of weird, I think, to have such a close friendship and then to find out something that's so major, right? It's like finding out he like murdered somebody, right? It's like this is crazy. Yeah, it bugged me that he couldn't tell me from the start. But I understand and know why he did wait now.

Right, of course. No, like I said, it makes no sense if you think of it logically, like why he wouldn't have told me your soul class. But it also makes total sense if you think of like the fact that like it's almost harder when you just keep something from someone for so long. Then it becomes, you know, it's easier to tell someone you just met, you know, than somebody you've been keeping it for. Right. It's like I get it. It makes, it does make sense, even though it doesn't make sense. But let me ask you this.

When did it become interesting? you? I guess kind of doing more research on it. Watching porn. Watching the porn. And then I was like, hey, this is kind of cool.

Oh, okay. So wasn't like at first you were like totally into it, like that other girl that he was with? Like you were like into seeing him with a guy? No, I was not. Oh, okay. No, I didn't want to see it. Well then maybe he maybe that was right that he didn't tell you for so long. You know, maybe he sort of, maybe he kind of like knew that that wasn't your thing.

Do you know what I mean? I think sometimes we could smell stuff, you know, like, so. Oh, no timing. Yeah, maybe he needed to get you in, get you hooked, get you down for that year and then throw it in. Because maybe if he told you early on, that would have freaked you out and you would have never, you know, been inclined to go. Right. So see, it actually was, you did. a good job. That was smart, Brad.

That was the way to do it, see? So you were freaked out for... That's great. Right. So when you were like, so how did you ease yourself into it? You said you started watching porn. Like, did you, like, back off from him at all because of it? Or did you guys continue to do other, to still be with people and do your swinging thing together? Yeah, we still did a swing thing, so we had more conversations about it.

and I guess I got more familiarized with it, and it's not any different from me eating out a woman than him sucking on a guy's cock. Right. So I'm like, I've got to get over this. Right. And so you... So now I'm totally fine with it. So, and like you said, what did you do just for other people?

I always think it's interesting for people to hear in case they're in the same sort of boat, which I don't think that there's a lot of women that are, because I think a lot of guys still keep it under wrap, right? But like what helped you? You said just watching porn. Watching porn, hear him talk about it. It's just not something that I ever thought of. Right.

But then when you started to watch it, you kind of started to get turned on by it. And I saw how turned on he was. That's kind of how the lifestyle is. watching your partner be pleasured doing the stuff that they want to do right that that makes it so hot now what was the first what like how did it go down the first time that you actually saw him with another guy and did you have rules about that because like you maybe like you said you were really horrified to think of him sort of bending down and sucking some guy's dick like

i mean did you yeah have rules about that kind of thing in the beginning well when we first started in the lifestyle that was not brought up. Like, we would put on our profiles but not straight mail. Like, it was not right. It was open. So,

we got involved in Facebook and we got onto this group. Mm-hmm. And they put on a page, welcome Janet. And I didn't use my real

last name. I might just, whatever. Yeah. So then somebody had put on there, hey Janet. And I looked and I was like, oh, my God. And I called Bob. It was a friend I went to school with. Oh, wow. A guy.

Through public school through high school. I was in her wedding. She was in my wedding. Oh, good. To the city. We kind of drifted apart. Uh-huh. And it was them.

Wow. So I started talking to her and him. and I was freaked at it first because I'm like, oh my God, I don't want anybody to know, but we're in the same boat. She doesn't want anybody to know. I don't want anybody to know. Right, exactly. So he had expressed to his wife many, many years ago that he had wanted to be with me.

They got into the lifestyle. Obviously, I was not in it, but he'd always kind of said that he wanted to be with me. Oh, how funny. I had told me that. I know. So over a course of probably six months or so, we chatted and then finally got together and he came over to play. And that's when it came out because he was by.

Oh, wow. Well, at first, sorry, at first, it was like most guys always say, I'm not by, but I don't care if a guy sucks my cock. Right. Yeah, I've heard that. I've heard that. And that's what he said. I'm not by, but I don't mind if Brad sucks my cock.

Okay. But Brad, you were like, like, you weren't that kind of guy, right? Like, I mean, you were like sort of knew exactly what your deal was

and you would put it out there. Like, I mean, were you a top or a bottom or both? Or like, what was your deal as far as being, like, as far as that was concerned?

I am, I am a bottom. At that point in time, though, I was not, I'm still not even, quote, unquote,

out to all our swinger friends and stuff like that. Right. So we did tell, we did tell, this guy that I was by and he's like okay that's fine I'm not but I don't care if he sucks my dick

but that's the one thing that your girl doesn't like didn't want to happen well that's it I was at that wait I can wait you just broke up say that again wait start again because you just got gargily like or something say that again

I was once I once you're in the heat of the moment and it and praying I was totally fine with it. Oh, okay, cool. So you, that was the first time, and you saw exactly what you thought you didn't want to,

and you were totally fine with it. It was cool because you saw him, like, so turned on. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that was great. And so in that situation, in that couple, did you play with them for a while? It was just him. She's never been up.

Oh, just the guy. So here, yeah, here, let's put another twist into it. Yeah. So this, this guy that comes up. Yeah. He is married with his wife, right? Mm-hmm. They both have a boyfriend and girlfriend.

Mm-hmm. But they don't, yeah, so they have a boyfriend and girlfriend who are married to each other. Did you follow me on that one? Okay, so the boyfriend and girlfriend are together, right? So it's like two couples. the couple that you guys, right? Two couples and each one of them is with the other person, but they're never all together.

Exactly. Interesting. So they just like to have separate sort of situations going on. They don't play together. Exactly. Okay. Everyone has their thing. So his wife, sorry.

So yeah, so his wife doesn't come up. She knows all about it. We've recorded it for her. He goes home. She listens or watches it and all is good. And now what does he do? Right. He fucks you and you blow him. Was that to me or?

Both of you, either one, doesn't matter. You're both there. He fucks her. He does everything with her. He hasn't fucked me yet. He has got the biggest dick I've ever seen in my life. Really? Like long or thick or both?

Both. Both. Oh, God. And you blow him. That's what you do right now. Can you deep throat? Yes, he can. I can deep throat better than she can.

Yeah, I can't deep throat. It's hard. So you're a deep throat. And then I know that you don't swallow, Janet, but you do, right, Brad? You did mention that in your email. Yes, I do. That's so funny. But that's like a fetish of yours, right?

Like you really like cum. Yes, yes. And that's how we will end it with that guy is him blowing and rod swallowing. Right. Brad swallowing. Right, and you deep throating. I mean, where do you learn how to deep throat? It wasn't like you're with so many guys.

I don't know. I think it's just I know how to open my throat. Right. Okay. It seems like shotgun of beer. You just open your throat and let it go down. I guess. I don't know. I've never been able to. So you were into it that first time.

And then now when did you guys? And so take it from there. Now it's open season, right? Like, I mean, obviously all your rules eventually go away, right? Yeah. You like to see. We have met. You have what? We have met the most amazing couples.

Right, in the lifestyle. And the most amazing people in the lifestyle. Mm-hmm. And what do they range by, like, are they typically around your age, or are they younger, older, looks-wise? I mean, is there like, can you make a generalization, or is it just like all different kinds of people that you've met? The youngest.

All different kinds of people that most are around our age. Okay. Most have had their children. Most have either been in a long relationship and want to spice things up or just there's many couples that are like us, got together later in life after we've had our kids and just want something more. Right, or something different. They already had that monogamous thing that maybe didn't work or wasn't like floating their boat.

And now they're letting, now they're having fun and being who they really are. And it's actually very odd to find a couple in the lifestyle where the woman is not by. Right, but we probably think that maybe all the couple, the guys are by, but nobody's talking about. certain ones are certain ones will certain ones you do a handful of them yeah i have a friend he's been on the show a lot doctor guy i don't know if you've ever listened to any of his episodes but he him and his girl are a hardcore just always fucking other people and he did a lot of before he met this girl he did a lot of three sums like and with other guys you know but him and they never cross swords quote unquote right but i just i really feel like it's only a matter of time where maybe he is doing it like i don't know they're you know so i just think probably there's a lot more guys like we've said you know that are buy in that world so how do you find them like if you guys don't really put it out there right because people don't it's like an underground kind of a thing like how do you find the people in the lifestyle that are or i guess if you're underground everyone knows so you can i've met one or two couples that are yeah so then

usually you know when you start talking to you Like if I know this couple and we're talking or whatever and I know he's by, he knows I'm by, that's great. Then say he might be talking to another couple and then he might say to me, hey, do you mind if I let them know that you're by? Like it's like, yeah, go ahead. Right. You know what I mean? So it's kind of like a. Everybody's very respectful of it.

Right. Word of mouth type deal. Right. That's cool. Now has she, because that first guy like you blew him, right? And that was like a year in and you guys have been doing this for five years. So I'm assuming, like, you've been with other guys, right? And you've had experiences where you've had anal sex with guys in front of Janet.

Like, I mean, that has all that gone down? No, she hasn't seen it yet. You do that on the side? I've experienced it. But she had to cover for me type deal. So I could go and do it. What do you mean cover for you? We were at an event.

Two years ago. Okay. We were at an event and we were there with friends and there, he is straight. He's like an alpha male straight. And I was talking to this one guy who was known for a long time and he knows on by. Like we all know each other and this and that and he had told me that he wanted to fuck me. I'm like, great. Yeah.

So I told Janet this. I'm like, what do we do? And she's like, well, but this event, let me just get this clear. The event that you're at is like a swingers event, right? It's not just like a regular event with regular friends, right? Okay, let me go back and explain it all. Yeah. Thanks.

Brad didn't. Yeah. Okay. So about two years ago, we went to a pig rose and a lifestyle event. Okay. We met a couple there and like instantly clicked. Okay. And we played that night and that was the first time we'd ever really got with somebody that we hadn't talked to before.

Mm-hmm. So we spent all weekend with this couple and like totally clicked. Right. But he's the alpha male. And he's not by. And no. And she's not even by. She's not even.

So you guys just do swaps when you're together and you play? We do. Okay. And they have actually turned out to be our best friends. We have texted every day the last two years except for two days. Okay. When they were away. Right.

Very, very, very close with them. But the way he is, Brad doesn't want to share that he's by. I'm pretty sure the guy knows. Mm-hmm. but we don't it's just I don't know it's just he's too alpha male and

so anyways we went to a camping event for swingers which is literally just around the corner from us and we had no idea oh hilarious so interesting we had met a couple there

that he was very openly by right so Brad had wanted to wanted to play with him and I wanted to watch and everything. But the only chance we got, our best friends were with us. Oh, right, the alpha guy.

You don't want the alpha guy to see, right? Yeah, I let Brad go off on his own to experience some stuff, and I kept them occupied. Right, well, that was nice. Right, I get it. Yeah, but the city part is I didn't even get to see it. And you still have it? Pardon?

You still haven't in all these years of playing? No. She's never seen me get fucked. She's seen me suck, cock, swallow, all that stuff. Right. But she's never seen me get fucked. I'm surprised. But I guess, like, I mean, because all these years that you guys are just, like, totally in that world, right?

You've been doing it for a while, like, five years is a long time that you haven't come across or had more experience. were like because all the cock that you suck like those guys weren't into having like anal sex like they weren't tops or what was the deal that or why haven't you experienced more situations like that do you think the opportunity um maybe just the opportunity like when the guy that comes up and comes in place with like you say he's massive right he's too big right yeah i don't even know if i want to do that but uh yeah it's just there's just not enough guys hasn't rose yet. Yeah. You know. Let me ask you this for you Janet have you like have you lived out all your fantasies like are you with the you like to swap right have you ever done two guys at the

same time is that like a thing that you do? Yeah we've pretty much done threesomes foursums orgies um we recently started doing playing separate um Yeah, I've done a lot. Right. And there's still more that I want to do, but. What do you want to do that you haven't done? I mean, it sounds like you've done a lot. I want to be with a lesbian couple.

Oh, you never have, right? You're always with, like, heterosexual couples. Or bi. Right. But I think it would be more intense with lesbian. Right. Would you be with, like, have you ever been or would you be as interested in doing just one lesbian as opposed to a bisexual

woman? Yeah. Have you ever done that or no? I just like the couple things. You do like the couple things. I know. I've never been. Well, yeah. Like two sets of hands on you instead of one is way better. Right. Well, and you've had, I mean, you said you've had orgies, you've had, you know,

I know that you guys go to like these hotel parties, right? And I mean, being in that lifestyle, there's like, like you said, there's like all the stuff that goes down that you would have no idea. Like there's a camping thing that's happening right around the block from you that you didn't even know. Like, how does that happen? Yeah, like literally five minutes away from our house. And you never knew. And you guys say you're from like a small town. Now, has word of what you guys do besides because you said you one day on Facebook bumped into somebody that you knew, right?

Have you guys like been outed at all or have you been able to keep this part of your guy's life under wraps? No, we've, we've kept it under wraps. And no one knows. What about that friend from you know, that you had, that you told each other everything. Is she a part of the lifestyle? Is she no longer your friend? Like, what's the deal with her? No, she's still my friend. She's not, all my friends are not in the lifestyle, like my original friend.

And two of them know everything. And if they ask me anything, I will let them know. If I say, oh, we're heading to so-and-so's this weekend. They just know that what's going down. We'll be praying. Yeah, pretty much. Right, that's cool. But your kids have no idea.

No one's ever found out, like, right? No. What are the things that you haven't done that you want to do besides the lesbian thing? What about you, Brad? What, like, what is it that you haven't experienced yet that you want to? Have you ever, have you ever been with two guys, Brad? Probably not. No.

No. No. No, that would be hot. Yeah. And now without Craigslist, it's harder to find people. Did you guys ever go on Craigslist looking for people? No. Oh, Craigslist, I don't know if, yeah, up here in Canada, they shut down the personal ads on Craigslist.

Yeah, no, here too. That's what I'm saying. Oh, okay. Yeah, they had just, but that was kind of recent, so I was wondering it from the past couple of years. Now, how do you guys find people to play separately? So, like I said, we're on, like on Facebook groups, which is, you know, and it covers. They're all secret. Yeah, they're all secret.

So it's not like you can just find them and join. you have to be added by a member. Uh-huh. And like there's some groups have up to 700 members. Wow. And it's just all people you know. So like you go to these parties and it's a very tight-knit community. So you know, you know, I mean, when you go to an event, you're probably getting to say there's 200 people there.

I bet you're going to know at least 100, 150 people. Right. Just from seeing them online, seeing them at other events. So then, you know, if you see someone you're attracted to, you might start private messaging them and one thing leads to another. Right. And so when you say, when you guys see separate people, do you, Brad, see men and women separately on the side and same with you, Janet?

Or is that how it works? No, it's just been, he's been with women and I've been with men. Okay. And so you do all the other stuff together when you're together. Yeah. Yeah. And just that one time with that one guy. That's the one and only time I've been with a guy by myself.

Right, right. Besides, but normally it's always in front of you. And it's just blow jobs. So interesting. Correct. Yeah. That it doesn't like everything, but for you with women, like everything goes, right? Mm-hmm.

And, I mean, like, I always like to hear, like, really great hot stories who people like to hear that. But, like, I always like, like, like, any kind of. kind of like really horrifying stories. I don't know. Do you have anything interesting, like crazy stories that have happened? Like maybe that wasn't so great or interesting in some other way. A crazy story that happened.

Hmm. Maybe not. I mean, listen, I think like it's interesting to hear from couples. I remember being really young and watching a movie called, I forget what it was called. The Lifestyle. That's what it was called. It was like literally. the 80s it came out and it was all about swingers and um you know they did a documentary about and they

followed you know three or four different couples from you know for a year them swinging and like you know it was a very different situation for some of the couples at the end of that year right some of them were breaking up and things didn't go well and you know and what i took yeah what i remember taking out of that film was that like it was like the couples that had like double digit years and were with each other for a long time and you know that really lasted the ones who weren't with each other that long and you know I know you guys were with each other long but you had all that history right and you also were you weren't 22 years old right and just starting out in relationships right you had been there done that whole monogamy thing and stuff so what do you guys think besides

that stuff is like you know the the reasons why you guys are successful or the key to being successful and having an open relationship. I'm going to say like we were, you know, we were probably best friends before we started hooking up. Right. That helped. You know what I mean? So we got to be best friends first.

Yeah. And then we started being friends with benefits. And then I fell in love with her. Right. And I am lucky enough to have married my best friend. Yeah, that is lucky. I'm still I'm still finding stuff like I'll watch

something and I'll see it and I thought oh my Lord I want to do that I want to experience that this and that and I can tell her that I'm like hey look you know what I want to be tied up and whipped and chained oh yeah your BDSM right exactly I can tell her I want to do this and she's like okay

and I'm not into that and I could never do it to him but he is more than welcome to find somebody who will do it to him and I will watch. Right, because there's no more rules. Great. Right. And there's no jealousy. I mean, is there ever any kind of jealousy that goes down? What about the kissing rule?

Is that still a no kissing thing? Well, when we started out, I kind of looked at it as kissing is very intimate. Yeah, that's what people say. And I didn't totally understand the lifestyle at that point. Right. So we had met this one couple that, We instantly clicked with, but we'd talked for a long time over the computer. We met them at a hotel thing, and we ended up playing with them.

Now, she went down for a cigarette, and Bob went with her, and I was up in the room with him. And we were just kind of, you know, joking and stuff like that. And then he started kissing me, and I was like, oh, no, I shouldn't be doing this. But I'm like, oh, my God, this is awesome. Right. So when he came upstairs And with her, I'm like, we broke a rule Right, you were honest

And he's like, what? And I'm like, he kissed me And then we were like, yeah, we're fine, we're fine with kissing. No big deal, right? Because it could be hot. It's not always just intimate, right? It is, but you've got to understand that it is a connection, but it's not a connection like we would have. Right, it's not that, well, you're not kissing that person in the way that you guys kiss each other most of the time. That's right.

That's right. Right. That's cool. Like we'll be in the middle of like orgies and stuff and I don't know. It's the biggest orgy we've had like 10 people. 10, 12 people, yeah. And you know, people be playing and you'll get a break and then you sit back and you're like, holy shit, I can't believe this is happening.

Right. But it's awesome because every, Everybody is there for the same thing. Everybody's having a good time. Like, we've had hardly any negative experiences. We've been very, very lucky. Right. And like you said, that you've met some of the most amazing people.

I mean, I would think that, you know, you're going to find people that aren't so judgment. You know, all the regular people write out in the regular world, right? It could be, like, so super judgmental and close-minded. Exactly. You find a lot of ignorant, you know, just a lot of stuff like that, right? I would assume that people in the lifestyle, right, wouldn't have those things. Maybe they front when they're out in the regular. Yeah, that's what this is going to end on.

Were you the, because I have another couple that's calling in as well. And I'm like, were you guys the one that were like, oh, we can't call in because we have a unicorn. We're meeting with the unicorn. Was that last week? Was that you guys? No, the unicorn's coming over Sunday. Oh, okay. Maybe it's another couple of you.

I felt like someone's mentioned. that they had an appointment with the unicorn. So what is the unicorn again, the girl, the single girl that wants to play, right? A unicorn is a bisexual, single female. Yeah, uh-huh. Now, how did you meet this girl? Just on a website. Okay.

No, we met her at a party. Correct. Oh, sorry, yes, correct. We met her a party and, like, instantly clicked and we're like, wow, you're awesome. Like, come and play with us, be our unicorn. And she's like, all right. She was there solo? Yes.

Okay. She's single. Mm-hmm. But within meeting her, like probably a month, she met a guy. Oh, wow. And the guy that she met was not in the lifestyle and she didn't want to bring it up. Right. So she disappeared for three months or so.

So we just backed off, let her do her thing. And then she started contacting me again and said, we broke up. So I'm like, bonus, come and see us. Yeah. So we've had her over and she, you know, we make supper together and clean up and go play in the bedroom. If Brad wants to go play with her by herself, fine. Or me and her jump into bed together and Brad watches. Mm-hmm.

And how old is she? Oh, too. Pardon? How old is she? Uh, she's like, oh, she'll be 40 this year. Right. And she's super hot. Like, what's your guy's scale of 1 to 10?

I started asking people again on my podcast. I used to ask all the time. You're three. I don't know. I don't know. Like, I'm a bigger woman. Uh-huh. A plus size.

Uh-huh. And she is too, but it is very odd to find a skinny, perfect number 10 in the lifestyle. Right. But, you know, I have to tell you in New York City. I think maybe it's all, like, because my friend, Dr. Guy, who, like, you should listen to some of his episodes. He's like a fucking character. But anyway, he's like, he's like a fucking character. He's in that world in the city, and he talks about how hot the people are, like, totally.

In New York, yeah, it'd be a different world. Yeah, right? And because there's a lot younger, there's a whole younger scene here. There's a lot of young people, like, in their 20s that are doing it. Whereas I think, you know, I think personally the younger people. You're not interested in anybody in their 20s. Right. I get it.

We got scared. We got a scare with one. So, yeah. What happened? Anyway. Um, she was just too immature. Uh-huh.

She, I don't know. She just kind of became, wanted to be more best friends with Brad. And when he wouldn't share any information, like we were having a unicorn over, he wouldn't, she wanted to know who the unicorn was.

And he's like, well, you know, because that's something in the lifestyle. So you don't kiss and tell. Right. Our best friends, we're very open to who we're with. Right, because they are your friends, right.

Yeah. But it's not something that you'd be like, hey, I was with so-and-so on the weekend. Like, it's just not, you just don't kiss and tell. Right, right, right. And I think that's part of the reason why we've been successful too, because we don't. Right. And she wanted to know who it was. And when Brad wouldn't tell her, she kind of flipped out and she started causing lies.

telling me that Brad was lying and it was just all silly. Oh God, that's like, yeah, that's like you don't need that shit. We just, exactly. So we just backed right off and cut all communication off. Yeah, it sounds like maybe she couldn't handle it, you know, and maybe it was too much for her. I know I asked before, like, whether there was ever any kind of jealousy

and you were like hesitated for a second. Like, does it ever come up ever in this, in your guy's relationship with all these other people involved? jealousy? Yeah. That's a very start. Right. So in the beginning.

I had a couple times when I was like, oh, I wish you were eating me out, not her. Right. But I never said anything and I never acted on it. Like afterwards we kind of talked about it, but it wasn't a major thing. And now, like, I have absolutely none. Right. And because in the beginning, your thing was like you didn't want him really to be with another girl. but eventually, like, that changed.

Yes. Well, there's a trust thing, too. And, yeah, I didn't know how I was going to feel. Right. And, like, on Sunday, the unicorns come to play with him, and I'm going to go somewhere with my daughter and distract them, her for a couple hours, so they can have their time.

Oh, my God, that's hilarious. You've come a long way. Yeah. The last time she was over, I sat on the chair. At one point in time, I sat in the chair to have a break. And the two girls played. And then I would jump in.

And at the end of the night, Janet was tired. So she's kind of half falling asleep. So I'm beside her on her bed, having sex with the unicorn. Yeah. And Jen is sitting there on her side and watching. So finally, she said, okay, I'm tired. I'm going to sleep. You guys go to this fair room.

Right. Okay. Yeah. I mean, and that is 100% fine with me. Right. Obviously. I mean, of course. And I mean, you wouldn't be like, listen, you guys were honest from the beginning.

Like in the beginning when it wasn't okay for you, like you had that rule, right? So obviously, if you're letting him do it now, you're not, you guys aren't like sort of saying one thing and feeling another. I think that's what happens with people that maybe don't do it the right way. You know, they sort of think that they can handle something and then they can and then they freak out or maybe they don't even, you know, know, want to admit that they're freaking out so it comes out in passive-aggressive ways. You know, it could just be turned into a big, fat mess in a lot of ways really fast, right? But for you guys, it's just like, you know, I've heard a lot of, I've had a lot of couples on my show that have had successful open relationships.

I have friends in my life who just don't think it's possible. They don't listen to my show so they don't fucking know, you know. But you guys are like another happy. married together couple who do it and it's totally working and totally cool and like there's no going backwards it's just like I think

you know you guys got past all that stuff in the beginning that like when you say like oh and he could go and I'm fine with it like that's just where you'll always be and I think it's just like a really great place to be where you know and it's like because I've had

other people on the show that haven't don't have this want it right you know how many by guys Brad want to be you like have you heard them they they are by they don't want to tell their girl or they're by they don't think they'll ever meet a girl that will accept it you know a woman that will accept it like you know I've heard it so many times like you guys are really living a lot of people's fantasy you know and you've been through all the hurdles the things in the beginning all the rules and the regulations and now it's just like you're just open for whatever and having a great time and I think it's great to hear your guys' story, right, for other people, you know, so they

could not just be jealous, but like they could maybe aspire to be like you guys, right? I mean, I think the friendship really helps, like you said, but I think other couples that maybe weren't friends before, they've just been with each other for a long time and they're genuinely friends. You know, I think that you have to also have like, not just double-digit years. You have to really have a strong emotional connection, right? Because I think what is the hardest problem for mostly women with cheating. I'm a woman, so this is the only reason why I know it from a woman's point of view, is that you're always worried that like the guy, it's not just about the sex.

It's like you, I think what underneath that is that that person would have a connection and then leave you, right? It's the abandonment thing, right? That's coming with it. So I think, you know, the stronger that emotional connection and that, real relationship with each other is, then the more likely you're going to be able to go have the sex with other people.

It doesn't, what the fuck doesn't matter? Do you know what I mean? If I was with somebody, I've never had a long-term, successful, emotional relationship with somebody. But if I had that,

I always believe, like, what does it really matter the sex, right? Like if you give each other, that other thing. I'm assuming that you guys both know that you guys are with each other, right? Like you would never leave each other.

Like everything's cool there, right? Mm-hmm. So what's... There's a total difference between sex and love. Exactly. And everybody thinks it's the same thing, but it's not. Right, exactly. It's...

But I think people can't... Totally different things. Yeah, I think people can't get past it because they're still stuck on figuring out the love thing. And I think that's what really is the problem. Do you know what I mean? Because a lot of people are in love, but they just, they're still, it still could be messing.

Someone's cheating. Someone's lying. Like, you know, there's just all this other stuff going on, you know. Like I said, you were, you guys were lucky enough to have this like really great, honest, real friendship, right? And you built upon, you built on that. That was your foundation, right? So you guys got into a very healthy relationship early on.

I think a lot of people are in relationships, but they're not the healthiest, even if they've been with someone for 10 years, you know? And it's like you can't get to the point where you're doing all this other stuff if you can't figure that relationship, you know, your primary relationship with each other out. And I think a lot of people get stuck on that, you know? But you guys have that down, so now you could go have all your fun. So anyway, I'm sure I'd love to have you guys back on because I'm sure you have like 10,000 more stories. I think we should sit down and write some stories down for the next time we talk.

Yeah, we'll do it. Yeah, we'll do a part two. We'll do a part two now that we have all the back story. Like I have some people who are just like regulars on and they come on. People love people that have like good stories like that. I always like all this other stuff because I just like to know the history and I like to figure out how everything goes. You know, but so now that we have all that down, you'll come back on and tell us some more stories the next time you guys come on. Absolutely.

All right. All right. Thanks so much for calling in. This was good. It was nice to have both people. Thank you very much for having a fun. Yeah, no. Have a good time tomorrow.

And keep me posted. We'll talk again soon. I'll have you back on. Sounds good. Thank you very much. Thank you. Bye, you guys. Bye.

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