Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 303 - Bisexual Chris Lives out his Cuckold Fantasies with his Wife

Episode Date: September 30, 2019

Bisexual Chris lives out his cuckold fantasies with his wife and he calls in to talk all about it. When and how did he discover he was bisexual and when did he "come out" to his wife? How did he meet his like minded wife and was their relationship open from the get go? What kinds of cuckold fantasies do they live out and how do they go about setting them up? Tune in for all the details about the unfortunate incident that led to him figuring out he was bisexual, his early sexual experiences with guys, the gang-bangs and one time hook-ups he has orchestrated for his wife, what he likes to watch his wife to do, what she's into sexually and a whole lot more. Bonus: Tune in to next weeks episode which will feature his wife Wendy who will be talking all about their relationship and her naughty past as well. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So if you fall into that category as well, you could email me at Strictly anonymouspodcast.guml.com or go to my website, strictly anonymouspodcast.com. and click on be on the show. Today I have on a guy named Chris. When he rooted, and he wanted to be on the show with his wife. They have a, he lives a very, he has a very open relationship with his wife. They're total swingers. He's very into the whole cuckold fantasy. He's bisexual.

He loves seeing her with other guys. She's had gangbangs, boyfriends, hookups, all that kind of stuff. And he just enjoys it. And they're very comfortable with that kind of lifestyle. They're very, and they're successful at that lifestyle. They wanted to come on together. I was like, let's do your guys episode separate. I wanted to do the wife on a different day because she has a very interesting backstory as well.

And I wanted to get into his backstory about being bisexual because that's not something that came, that he came out with to his wife until recently, right? And he's an older guy. So he had a whole backstory on that part of his life. So I decided to tape them separately. You're going to hear from him. You'll hear all about like how he's by what he's in. to how he figured out he was into it and how he got into this open relationship with his wife and what they do together. And then next week you're going to hear all of that stuff, everything about

their relationship as well from her perspective. And then you're going to hear her background. She's super open-minded and very into SCX and, you know, we'll get into that with her. But today you're going to hear from Chris. I'll be right back on with Chris. So you wrote in and said that you and your wife were interested in being on the show, right? possibly together, right? You guys do a lot of interesting things. Your buy, right? You guys are swingers together, right?

You also, she also had like a really interesting backstory as well. Like your whole thing was like the buy thing that I want to get into, you know, and that's just about you. And she has another whole interesting backstory that I don't want to bring on this show because I decided that I would interview you both separately, right? So we will hear her as well. I'll probably air yours one week and then hers the next week because you both, like I said, have interesting backstories.

But together, you're both together and a couple who have been very open in your relationship, right? Your swingers, you have an open relationship. I don't know how long that's been gone on, but you're successful at it. And I think that that's always an interesting story to hear, right? Because I think a lot of people, especially people that have married a long time, right, and the sex has gone kind of stale, right? And some people think to do these kind of things,

or they want to or they try, and it doesn't really go that well, right? So I think it's always interesting to hear from people who have done it successfully. How long have you guys been married? What are we calling her again? We're calling her Wendy, right? Wendy, yes.

Yeah. So how long have you and Wendy been married? About 13 years. Okay, and like were you, because you're both intensely sexual people, right? But were you both, So were you guys, like, from the get-go, very honest about who you were with each other and were, like, really kinky from the beginning? Or did this come about over time?

We were both kind of that way before we met, but we kind of, you know, we knew that about each other. But we kind of decided at the beginning we weren't going to do any of that stuff. We actually met on a swinger site. We were both divorced and actually met on there. Oh, you're kidding. But I think it's kind of like we both kind of knew up front. that even though we say we're not going to do any of that stuff anymore, that's just kind of who we are.

So, little by the little, we kind of got into it. Were you on the swinger's site looking for love, or were you on the swinger's site looking to hook up? And when you guys met each other, was it sort of like, were you DMing each other about like just having sex? And then it just turned into like a relationship, or were you both looking for something more?

No, we more or less met to just kind of hook up. Right. Uh-huh. Honestly, I was, I mean, not to get off track, but honestly, I was, I fell in low with her to minute, she said her name. Really? Oh, yeah. In person, like when you saw her when she was right in front of you?

Yeah, literally the first time we met, she got out and said, hi, I'm Wendy, and I just, I knew right then and there that was it. Well, I don't know if I said this before my podcast, but I just told a friend this the other day, and I think this is very true. I think that women have lots of intuition. I don't think men have anything intuition, except when it comes to the woman they're going to marry. I think that they're the pickers and they know they have that intuition. You see tons of girls going after a guy and they think that that's a guy they're going to marry and they're so whipped to him and it never fucking winds up because girls aren't the pickers.

It's the guys. I can't tell you how many stories I've heard from men, my guy friends and I've heard it like on TV when people are being interviewed where the guy says the minute he met the woman that he wound up marrying, he knew instantly. And so I believe that's right And I've heard it so many times before Yeah, well, it definitely was with her It was right

Even back to your other thing you said Even like, you know, people get stale and all that Yeah Honestly, we don't do any of this because of that I mean like for instance last night we had sex You know, a lot of times we talk about things we do We're going to do whatever during sex You know, heats it up whatever

But like last night and it's, you know, it's very frequent It was just her and me, very intimate I mean we have amazing sex even after 13 years, best sex have ever had with anybody. And it's just, it's not something we do because it's stale. It's just,

we like doing it. Right. Well, you guys, like I said, you both came into, listen, you guys are couples, you guys are like sort of like professionals, right? You were both on the Swinger website. So obviously this was something that you guys were doing

previously right before you met. I think there's a lot of people out there that didn't start off that way. So it's for those people to hear your story, right? It's going to be a little bit different, but you could give some insight because this is something that you guys have been doing for a long time. But how long into your marriage was it before you started opening up your marriage to other people? Probably about four years maybe, four or five years. And how did that come about?

If you had decided in the beginning, like, let's keep this just between me and you, right? What happened four years later that you decided to change things up? We'd start talking about doing things, and we never really did, but I had talked to a few guys because started out it wasn't any girls for me. The thing with me with girls is actually fairly new. But it started out with just talking about, you know, I'd be hot to do this. I knew, you know, like you said, we've done this before, so it's not like somebody that's never done this, because I know a lot of guys have trouble bringing that up to their wives or vice versa. Yeah. But we started talking about it.

and finally when I actually met this guy and we were talking and everything and we ended up having over one night but it's actually kind of a hot story but yeah tell the story or not tell you yeah tell the story it was a local guy it's actually a lawyer and I talked to him and everything the way I set it up I'll make a quick story but the way I set it up I had blindfolded her in our bed was the night in our bedroom everything blindfolded her and everything and he came in you know we'd messed around to everything he ended up fucking her and everything else actually a couple of times I think and uh I did once with and we both joined in once and once he did by himself and he left well I never did take the blindfold off so she had no idea who this was oh wow and did you did she know that that's the way it was all going to go down she had never seen a picture of him or anything you said it all up never laid eyes on him oh she must have been in the story she never saw him and the best part of the story is like I don't know maybe a year later yeah um remind you I said he was a lawyer we were up board and we got off the elevator and guess who's standing her right there.

Oh my God. And him and I made eye contact and we were, you know, kind of smart. She had no clue. And we walked out of court and I said, guess who that was? She goes, I don't know who. And I said, remember those times? She goes, oh, my God, are you serious? Let's he got, that was him.

Wow. That's so, it's like, that's the guy you fucked and she had no idea. But she knew. So, but did you guys both come up with that scenario? Because that's a good idea. Like, I think that that's kind of hot. see that being hot for you, for the guy, and mostly for her, right? Did she come up with that or did you come up with that idea? No, I'm usually the one that has my brains like all over the place

actually when it comes to that stuff. I'm usually the one that comes up with all this goofy things we do. Right. So she knew and she was down. Now, you were by going in. Did you, did she know that shade off the bat? No, she did not. In fact, she didn't know that until probably maybe eight months ago. Oh, and how long you got together 13 years and you were so open with everything except that? Yeah, that's kind of a hard thing

because she had made comments early on. You know, she's not bisexual guys were gross and this and that and everything else. And so I was like, okay, well, I'll never tell her that one. Yeah, well, for sure. You know, as we grew as a couple and, you know, in a lot of ways, I just, we were in the shower one night and I'd made little

comments about it, you know, over the years just kind of testing the water, so to speak. one night we were in the shower kind of messing around and I said something about it. She's like, are you serious? I was like, yeah. And I told her some stories when I was younger and like, oh. So then we started, she never went with me. I ended up, she, I met some guys. She let me start going by myself and just mess around with guys and things. And I took her with me once with a guy and it kind of worked out kind of didn't he. I think he was nervous. But we've met this recent couple and they're both by. So it's kind of, that's still kind of

of evolving, but she, uh, surprisingly, she's like really, really, really into it. Yeah, that's what I was going to ask. Did it turn out to be that she actually likes to see with the other guy in the answer? Oh, she loves it. She loves it. Wow. Isn't that interesting? Because she started off being the kind of woman, like you said, that said, like, oh,

that's gross. And she probably didn't realize that about herself. Right. Well, even when we met, because we had talked, because she's been with some black guys, too. Uh-huh. Kind of a taboo thing there, you know, and we've had, she's had plenty of black guys since we've been together with some friends. Because you like to see her with black guys.

I know that. Yeah, well, my guy does. I mean, that's just kind of a hot thing. You know how it is. But when we got together, she never slept with a black guy and this and that,

you know, but she doesn't know how I'd react to that. But she had. Yeah, and she knows I like that too. But why do you say? Because you just said, oh, you know that every guy

loves to see that. I wouldn't know like every by guy or just every guy. Why is it that guys want to see that? Because I wouldn't know that. Guys like, I've found, you know, guys just lie. I mean, guys, you know, most guys, so I'm not

by, that's gross, I can tell you, I know so many guys out there that are by, you know, get on these forums and things. I know. That are married. It's insane. How many guys out there are bisexual? I know. Listen to my show. I mean, they just, guys lie. They just do. No, I know. I, I mean, listen to my show. There are so many guys

calling up they're married and they're like, oh, my wife went on a business strip and the minute she left this guy, you know, came over and blew me. Like, it's happening so much, right? And a lot people aren't saying anything because I don't think it's caught up it's not like it is for women you know the women buy thing is very acceptable that happened many many years ago um but it's not that way for guys I think there's still like a sort of a taboo thing attached to it and people don't want to

especially older generation right I think it's different for the younger guys right if you were 22 maybe it would be different but I'm assuming you're more closer to my age right and yeah when we grew up was not acceptable. Even for women, it wasn't. That changed in our lifetime. But for men, it's still that whole thing. I thought you said every guy likes to see black guys. That's what I thought you meant.

Oh, no, I meant most white guys that are married or whatever, whether they admitted or not, the thought of a black guy having sex with their wife. That's what I thought you said. Really? How come? Because they want to see big dick? Like, or because it's the black and the white and it's the taboo. It's just, I think it's just a taboo thing still.

You know, even today's age. I think it's a taboo thing. Right. I'm not saying all guys because I've seen black guys and some of them are obviously a lot bigger than some white guys, but I've seen white guys that are huge too. So it's just, I don't know. To me, too, that's one reason I like her with black better too. I just think that black guys just kind of seem to take their time a little more

and pay a little more attention to a woman than most white guys I've seen to. Well, let me tell you, if I go by the stats of my podcast and the people emailing me about different episodes, I had one where this girl, Christine, gang, banged like five black eyes. I put the word black in the title and somebody left a rude review about that. But it was very specific. Like that's what she wanted. You know what I mean?

It was specific to the story. And I have to tell you that that was, and I've re-aired that episode because that episode is like one of the most downloaded episodes of mine. And people to this day still email me to try to get her back on. So it's that black and white thing. And she was married and her husband let her do it. So it is that scenario that you're saying. that these people like.

But so you said, let's go into the whole, you being bisexual, though, because you said you were bisexual ever since you were like 13. Is that when you had your first sort of encounter with a guy? Yeah. And by the way, Wendy's had the gang bang with five guys too. I know. I know. I like taking videos and pictures, things like that.

But yeah, she's been tied up and gang banged by five guys. It's fun. I know. We're going to get to all that. I just wanted to go to the buy stuff with you too as well since we're just talking about it. Like, because you, you said you've been by ever since you're 13. So I'm assuming that's like when you had your first buy experience.

Yeah. And it, uh, I don't know what I can say on the air here and not say, but it really wasn't by choice. You catch my drift. Oh, you, oh, no, I've had people talk about that. You were like molested by somebody, like somebody. Yeah, I was actually in Myrtle Beach with my family and was in an arcade. I was in, in bathroom and ended up in a stall. with a guy that was basically,

I'm not going to the very specifics of it, but it wasn't by choice, put it that way. But no, but how, okay, what grade is 13? What grade is that? Were you like sixth grade, seventh grade? Six, seventh grade somewhere in there, yeah. And you just went into the bathroom to go pee

and, like, some guy got you, and pulled you into a stall? Well, I went in the stall because I was, you know, I had eight kids doing it. I went in there to take a pee. I didn't go and, you know, I was going to take a pee. And I looked down and he was actually underneath his, you know, you can see. see under the stalls.

Yeah. And he was actually like jacking off into my stall. And it kind of like freaked me out. Uh-huh. But the next thing I know, he's in there and there's some other stuff that went on, which I won't get into. But one thing happened and, yeah. Did you go tell anybody?

No. And this was something Wendy doesn't even know. I didn't even go tell anybody because at that age, you're like, just whatever, whatever, whatever. But it's also like, that's like a, that's like, I think it's very hard at that age. I mean, it's super hard at any age, but different ages, I think. bring different kinds of baggage, you know? You're like old enough to sort of know that it's not right, right?

Like you're not like three, right? And you just have no fucking clue, right? So it's even more of a mind fuck because you're like, you really know the deal and you're really being like raped by somebody like in a public place. And you got to go home and go out with your friends and all this, you know, and act like and your life has just completely changed because that's like. pretty major. I mean, that's not a common thing that I mean, I think it happens more than we think, unfortunately, but it's not like something that is a regular everyday experience, right? So

you go to this arcade. Now, before that, let me ask you this. Did you know that you were interested in guys? Because I don't think that had anything to do with you being by, right? That was just sort of. No, and that's what I was going to tell you that I didn't really, I never really told her. it's and I don't mean to sound perverse when I say this. Yeah. Because the, how do I put this? The event itself was like scary shit and, you know, freaked out and everything else. Uh-huh.

But the actual act of it. You liked. I found my, I found myself, you know, I'm not saying right then, but over time is like, like, I was very curious about it. It was kind of a turn on and does that make sense? Yeah, totally. The rape itself was. I mean, that was like freaked out at the same time. It's like, I kind of like that.

And like I said, I don't know if I knew I was by before that. I think I might have. Yeah, I was going to, that's what I wanted to know. Like if before that, you know, because you're like, what, 13, like, I don't know. Everyone gets to jerking off and figuring out what they like at different ages, right? Like, I've had guys in here that would be like, oh, I didn't even jerk off until 17. I'm like, are you kidding? Like, how did you not?

I had actually had sex at 13, too. You did? Real sex with the girl? How old was she? 13 or 14. Actually, I take it back. The first one won't get her. name she was I think like a greater two ahead of me okay so she was probably 15 maybe I don't know

right and you enjoyed that and but then you get this rape by the guy but by the way your wife's gonna hear this shit now is that cool like are you ready to let her hear that story because I was just thinking you're like oh she doesn't no she knows 99.9% of the stuff right only she didn't know about was the thoughts I had after that event I told you about oh I thought you said she didn't know about the story about the arcade no she does fact you and her Didn't you just, people on earth didn't know it. Didn't you just say she,

she didn't, she doesn't know this story. No, no, no, she doesn't know the part of after the fact that I kind of thought about it.

Oh, okay. Like I said, the thing itself, I kind of enjoyed it, you know. Right, right, right. I'm not saying that day.

I'm saying like months later or whatever, when I was kind of thinking back on it. But I wonder, listen, and I wonder, I'm not a psychologist, so I don't know anything about,

like, what they would think about the situation, but I wonder if a situation like that, right does happen does it does it you know like if that thought wasn't put in like because you didn't you didn't have that experience right would you have come to the conclusion or eventually do you think on your own like would you because you had never fooled around

what guys before right like that was just something that was put on you right without you asking for it not at that age I hadn't know right but then you kind of liked it but I just wonder like if that didn't happen would you have ever figured that out or would it have never come up? I wonder what a psychologist would say. I don't know. It's just interesting, you know, because... I'd probably boggle most psychologists as mine if they got in my head.

I don't know. Well, listen, that's a kind of situation that you probably should have gone to therapy at the time, but I know when that probably happened to you, like people just, therapy wasn't, you know, something that everybody does, but like you could have used some therapy after a situation like that. It's not such a good thing to have happened, especially at that age. but anyway so i think i may have been into the buy thing too because with that because the way i was raising everything the parents is long story whatever but when i when i'm my normal

life i'm an extremely dominant person like major dominant major controlling yeah um i mean like big time um i'm that way with women not abusive and i'm just saying yes comes sexually i'm just very dominant but on the flip side of that when i'm with a guy i'm extremely submissive Because I know that you did say in your email, too, that your guys have gotten a little bit into BDSM. So are you like a sub when you guys get into that kind of lifestyle or are you a Dom there? That's just more to her and I. We haven't really played with other people. No, but I mean, who's the Dom and who's the sub?

Oh, that's me. I'm the Dom. So you are the Dom in there. Because I have heard because I've had a lot of like BDSM people say. And like a lot of times they say the people who are very dom in their regular life will be, you know, dominant in their, regular life will like to maybe be more submissive in some part of their life. So for you, it's with the men, right? That's where you become a submissive and that turns you on.

Yeah, I have become a little bit submissive with her because, like, recently we bought a strap on for her. Uh-huh. You know, she had used fingers and toys and this and that on me as we got into this, but we got a strap on. So when I do that, she kind of gets a little more aggressive with that. And you like that, right? Yeah, it's fun.

Yeah, because she's playing a guy that, right? it's sort of like what you experienced with a guy, right? So that kind of like makes sense. Right. After that experience, so you start to think like, oh, you might actually like to be with a guy, right? Somehow you realize you were turned on by the situation. I wonder if you were turned on by the situation. I don't know.

By accident. I don't know. I wonder about that. But anyway, when is the next time that you hook up with a guy? Honestly, I don't know. Sometime in high school, probably, I don't know, 15, 16, 17. But who's that guy? This is the kind of thing that I like to hear about because I'm always telling my guy friends,

like you don't realize the shit that was going down in high school. Like I hear stories about a lot of guys doing a lot of stuff with their friends in school that nobody knew about. You know what I mean? No, I actually never did that because, you know, but like you said, when we grew up, that just wasn't something. I'm sure there was guys who were gay or vibe. You just didn't talk about that.

No, but it was happening at sleepovers and shit. I've heard some crazy stories. Who was the guy you fooled around with that 16, 17, team. Actually, we have a local place that's known to be like a gay bar, by bar, whatever's been around forever. And I wasn't about to, you know, I didn't know anybody at my age. It was like that whatever. I wasn't about to ask. So I actually, because back in those days, too, if you know, we could go and buy alcohol and whatever. Nobody really questioned anything, even when you're 15, 16 years old, at least around here. Yeah, yeah. So I'd go up to this place and, you know, have a few beers or whatever and meet guys like that. They were probably my age now. Mm-hmm.

So that's how I found guys, mine guys thought it were attracted or whatever and ended up going and playing with them. And but you kept it a secret? Nobody knew about it. Oh, yes. No, the first person ever knew about this was my wife about a year ago. This, the wife that you were now. You were married before, right? We'll get to that.

Yeah. Yeah, she didn't know anything about it. So you start hooking up with guys at this bar, but you're doing this all in the download. Like, where were you giving them, like, blow jobs in their cars? I mean, like, where are you going to hook up? I usually go back their house and you have oral or sex or whatever. And I heard you say a few months ago, I'm on the bottom. Most of the time I am, I have top a couple of times, but just not really my thing.

Yeah. Then the gay world, that's very common, right? Like you pick a side, like you pick a, and it doesn't really. I mean, there are some people, I forget what the term is, right? That like both, but most of the time, it's like you're either top or a bottom, right? Yeah, and there actually seems to be a lot more bottoms and tops. Oh, really? That could be a problem.

Yeah, if you picked out 100 by guys, 95 of them are bottoms, they won't top. Really? I don't know why that is, but yeah. And you've topped a couple times, but it's not really your thing. Yeah, I have, but yeah, just, I mean, it's enjoyable, I guess. I just don't get as much out of it. Do you like to, do you like anal sex with your wife? Or no, as far as me doing to her?

Yeah, uh-huh. Oh, yeah. Now, she's, she is like sometimes does it. I mean, she calls it, she has to be prepared for it. Yeah. So it's not just, you know, anytime I want to go do that. But yeah, I mean, once she does it, you know, things get started, then she's like. Really into it.

Crazy, crazy about, oh, yeah, she's really into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I totally understand that. But wait, so, so you're, like, start hooking up with guys in, like, a place. And then eventually you get married, right, to somebody now, do you keep, like, in that marriage, because I'm assuming in that marriage, because I'm assuming in that marriage, you were swingers too or no oh no no no we try actually try it on by the way the sleeping guy saying that wasn't like something i did all the time it i did it probably like maybe three times my

you know when i was younger right okay but something i went out every weekend and did or anything right right so you did it a couple times just because it would probably like i like girls trust me no no no i know i'm just i'm just wondering how you got into like how you fed that side of yourself you know what i mean like i'm assuming like you kept it as a favorite And then every now and then when you were just so pent up and you had to have like a real guy, you went and did it. But most of the time, you just kept it like as a fantasy, right? And then when you couldn't take it anymore, you went and had a guy, but it wasn't something like that was like you were more into being with women most of the time. Oh, yes.

Far more. So when you were married, though, did you see guys behind your wife's back or now? No. No. So when did you get into the Swingers like website? Because I know you said you were divorced on a swing. website, right? So when did you decide to be a swinger when you were solo? Yeah, my ex-wife and I, we kind of looked at it. Like, I had let her play with a couple guys.

Oh, right. So you did do a little bit with your wife. A little bit. But we went to a club once, and it was like, yeah, no, this is, it just wasn't a nice club. But then I started getting on sites and everything, but we ended up getting divorced. And then I stayed on those sites and looked, and that's when I found my current wife. right and then do you always know that you liked um to watch like your girl your woman your wife with somebody else oh yeah i'm very when it comes to sex i'm just very open to i don't know most things adult wise you know and i always want i'm just very open right i wonder if the cuckold thing and i don't know if it's a i i know that cuckling has to have like somebody being humiliated but

i'm just i don't know what the word is for people that like to see their partners like get fucked by somebody else, you know, I don't know if it's always cuckled, right? But like, I wonder if, you know, whether it's a woman or a man, if they, they tend to be, if that sort of set, if someone likes that, right, does that sort of mean that they're by because they want to see that, like, you know, do you think it's because you're by and you like cock too, right? That, you know, that makes that something that you're into. Oh, I absolutely believe that. Like I said, guys lie. I can almost, I mean, I'm And even girls, I mean,

I don't have stats or anything, but yeah. Most any more, I would say almost any guy that enjoys his wife or watching his wife have sex to somebody else, he's bisexual. Right. And what about the girl that wants to see her guy, fuck another girl. Like, you know what I mean? And see pictures or hear about it. Like maybe there's a, I talked about this with somebody recently. I just was like, I wonder if it's always like that, that person is probably by, right? There has to be some component of that, right? Right.

I don't know on that. Like I said, me with another woman, that's fairly new to me. So I don't really have a lot of experience or insight on that. No, but your wife, does she like to see you with other women? That's why I said. We're just fairly new to that. Right, and she's just getting used to it, right? Yeah, she seems to.

I never really pushed that issue. You know, I just, I say things, new things. We've talked about things for a while, but I just, I kind of let things that, you know, she may not be as comfortable with. Uh-huh. I just kind of let it go till she's comfortable with it and she may not ever be comfortable with it, you know, really comfortable with certain things, which the woman thing, I didn't, I didn't know she'd ever become comfortable with that. But since we started doing it, she seems to really enjoy it. Yeah, and I'll get into all that stuff with her.

And now, how did you get? So you get on the Swinger's website because you started to dabble with your ex-wife, right? And then you guys get divorced. And now you could do whatever you want, right? Because you're single. Then you meet this woman. And she's on there, too. So you know you're meeting a like-minded person, right?

Which is good, I think. Right. And she was open. We'll get more of her backstory, right? Because I'm going to have a whole podcast with her. But you guys get married. You have great sex with each other, right? But eventually, because like I said, in my email, I know you told me you let her have boyfriends.

You let her fuck guys. You had her gang bang and all these other kinds of stuff. Like, so that all, like none of that happened until four years ago, right? So after four years, how long were you? you married and just having sex with each other before you started doing these kind of crazy things yeah like i said i don't remember exact dates but i'm guessing it was probably it was probably about four years four maybe five years and you just started bringing stuff up and like i mean i'm assuming the gang being wasn't one of the first things you did like what was the first thing you did

um was it with that guy the lawyer no the very first one was a guy i met a white guy and he actually He was like a huge dick. He came to our house. He was from our state, but he came to our house once. And then I ended up meeting a black guy from our state also. He was really big too. And then that kind of got her used to and everything. They were both real nice guys, clean cut guys and everything.

And then I met his lawyer. And then that's when I brought that thing up. And she was like, do whatever. She knew she's going to be blindfolded. Right. Like I said, she had no idea that she wasn't ever taking the blindfold off the entire night. But she ended up thinking it was really hot. Now, did she have any reservations?

Like, I don't know so much what she did before she met you, but did she have any reservations about being with a guy in front of you at first? No, because her and her ex had, you know, they had this thing. So she was, I had never really done that per se. I mean. But she had? Wait, wait, hold on. I'm sorry.

My court is getting a little bit weird. Hold on. You have to say that over again. I'm going to say, but she had? Yeah, she had had experience with it before. Oh, okay, so she was cool. Because I think a lot of women I've had on here before, like, they just worry where I've had men talking about their girls. And I'm like, I think some women would worry that, like, maybe they want to do it, but they're afraid that how would the guy feel?

You know what I mean? After it actually really happens, right? Right. And I think a lot of that depends, too, on who you're with, like her ex-husband. I mean, they just, they were married a long time, but they just did not get along same as me and my wife. So, like, when she's watching him have sex with somebody, just from the emotional feeling perspective, it's a lot of, it's a lot of. a lot different than watching me do it. Right.

Right, because she didn't give a shit about it. Right, she basically didn't give a shit if he was because she got to go play and didn't have to pay attention to him. Right. She was just happy to be away from him. But you guys really have a very close relationship, but it still is okay, right, for you guys to be with other people because you have that close connection, I'm assuming. Right.

Right. Like I've always told her, you know, we decipher, we kind of compartmentalize the difference between, you know, like I said, last night, we had very close, emotional, sensual sex. Yeah. I guess you can compartmentalize the difference between, you know, you got to have trust and love and all that. But you have sex. This is sex between us and this is just shit that's for fun. Right.

But you did, didn't you say something about boyfriends? Like I've let her have boyfriends or no? Yeah. I mean, it hasn't been like long-term stuff. Boyfriends, you know, we got to where, you know, we were trying to get where she'd go out like on dates with and things and maybe like an overnight, things like that. It never got fully to that level. But it was, you know, she was one guy. She was seeing, in fact, it ended up being that lawyer.

Same guy? That recently, yeah. Like this is like three years later. Oh, so after, wait. So after she saw him, she was like, oh, he's kind of hot. Or how did you get in touch with him? What happened? No, it just, this is like been years that's past.

And I just got a hold of him one day and started talking again because her and I were talking about finding her somebody that's, you know, be cool for a boyfriend. And he just happened to work out because he actually lives really close to us, same hours, you know, they just worked out perfectly. So they tried it for a while. You know, she'd go over there. She never got, she was going to go out of town. him for a weekend.

But we just kind of getting bored with him, so we just got rid of him. But let me ask you this. What was the turn on for her to have a point? Like, what, whose idea was that and what was sort of the turn on behind it? That was my, everything's my idea. She'll tell you that. Right. I mean, I don't know, just, I don't know what the reasoning is, I guess.

I'm just like trying different things, see if it turns on, see if it doesn't. Right. You're into the cuckled thing, right? Is there a humiliation involved in your cuckling fantasies experiences? No, not really. I just like, you know, when she's turned on and I can see she's being pleasure and liking it, it just turns me on. Right. So, you know, it's just, like I said, I can tell us sometimes, which she'll tell you, she'll tell you, she's had some experience.

We've had some experiences where the guys were kind of, yeah, and we both left like, okay, that was not fun. Where do you meet all the people? I mean, are you members? Like, what websites do you use? stuff. There's one. Swinger's on Central, I think, is one. Swingers what on Central?

I think it's called Swinger's Zone Central. We used to use some, the ones we used to use actually, because, you know, I've got friends. We've got friends now. You know, we've got numbers and stuff we've talked to. And we're really not on websites anymore. Yeah. A lot of the ones we were on, like when we met, they don't even exist anymore. Right.

We tried like Craig's List for a while. Or Fat Life. We're just most of the people, quite, Frankly, you were just gross. Right. What about Fat Life? Yeah, actually, Fat Life we're on right now. In fact, the couple were playing around with I met on Fat Life.

Uh-huh. So Fat Life's kind of cool, too, because there's like every type of everything you could ever want to do. There's people on there for that. What do you look for in partners, like as couples? Because you said, like, you get people on Craigslist, they're fucking gross, right? Like, I do you look for, like, a certain age range? Are you very picky about who you're going to bang? or do they just have to be sexy to you guys?

They have to be a mutual attract, you know. She has to be a track to them. I have to be a track to them. Now, obviously, since we've gotten into since the whole, we're both getting into the bike thing, now it opens up a lot more doors of what you can look for. Yeah. But yeah, she like her.

She doesn't like short guys. So I'm about six foot tall. You have to be at least my heights are taller. She doesn't like guys that are her eyes are shorter. Right, right. So she wants tall. Yeah. Yeah, she likes tall.

Just, you know, attractive, professional. clean cut you used that word before right no skis we don't like arrogant guys arrogance is you know it's the one thing to be dominant like in bed

but just to be a normal arrogant person just not our thing right right now do you guys have kids can I tell you how many yeah eight of them eight so are there's kids running around the house

or are they all out of the house there's a couple left most of them are gone so nobody I'm assuming knows about any of this stuff? Oh, no, no, no. No, right? No. So you keep it on the download. You do this stuff like out of the house or when the kids are away or whatever? Yeah, well, they know we're perves because we always joke around like even growing up. We'd always say headphones. It was just an inside jokes. The mom and dad are going back to the bedroom. We'd always say headphones. It's a big joke.

Oh, my God. We're going to have sex. They would know that. Well, we don't say that. Yeah, whenever we say stuff just off the cuff, like even stuff on TV and the kids are always going, God, you guys ever shut up? Oh, my God. It's just a big joking thing. That's so funny. So together you have eight, right? Did you have any together with each other or were they both from your previous marriage? Yeah, we have two together. Two together and then the rest are from there.

Okay. Now, let me ask you this. Did you, because you said that she just started to see girls, right? And you have sex with them too. But like your thing more is like her with guys, right? Who set up the gang bang? And how many times have you done that? Just once?

No. And I mean, most of the guys we've played with her, it's not like we go out just fine random guys. There's too many diseases and shit out there for that nowadays. But most of the guys are people we know. We've been, we've known for quite a while. Right. But there's some guys over in Indiana that we're friends with. And we've went over there before.

And three of them, yeah, three of them are just normal guys. But they've had a couple friends come over a few times. There's just three of them, a couple times it was five of them. um the beads like the bdsm thing the main guy that i originally met over there i've taken him over there before and he's completely you know full bdsm tie up and whipping and and that's with your girl or the both of you with no that's just with her and i and him no but like who's being tied up her or you oh her yeah her right right and you guys are you're there with him but he's dominating her and you're watching oh yeah yep watching video and whatever

Right, you liked a video. And now she's, was she always into BDSM or is that something that she got turned on to when she's with you? She's always been kind of, I don't know if you want to call it, pleasurable pain, like nipple clamps and, I mean, like, when you spank her, I mean, I actually use, like, a leather belt on her, on her ass. Right. I mean, I got pictures where she's got, like, major welts on her ass, but she enjoys it. Uh-huh. And she'll tell you if it's too much, but I don't think she's ever told me too much, but she says she'll tell her. me but right but yeah she just she's in the pain for whatever reason not like physical pain where

you're going to have it permanently or anything but just yeah yeah she just she likes it right so you had those the the one dom doing all that stuff to her and that's when you've done the gang bang within one of those kind of sessions yeah we never really did the tying up thing during the gang bank well i guess we have once they actually had that same group come to town one time and i let her go up by herself. We had a hotel and she went by herself. And she had been tied up and everything. And then there was video there. And I ended up coming in later. But yeah. But you videotaped it or they videotaped it for you so you got to watch the whole thing? She had actually put a camera before I got there. So she was video on before that. So she could see everything. Yeah. And then I came

in like halfway through or whatever I came in and I just watched video and then ended up getting involved with it too. And how many guys is the most she's had five? I think it was just the five. I don't think it was ever anymore than I think it was five. Mm-hmm. I mean, I'll get into that stuff a lot with her. But it turns into like 10 because usually most of them go at least twice.

Right, right, right. But it's like the five guys total. And she, and you like the big dicks, right? I mean, like, and she does as well? Is that something that does she? Well, yeah. Nobody likes a small dick, do they? No, I don't know. I had a friend, but she. She just liked whoever she liked it. She's like, I like small dicks because I have a small vagina. That's what she used to say.

Oh, yeah. I think it's because your guy has a small deck. You're just trying to say. She had one guy one time literally. I think he sent other pictures, whatever, but we met this guy and his dick was literally like the size of my thumb. Oh, like a micro wean. That's what they called. Yeah.

I mean, I've never seen a dick that small in my life. It was like, are you kidding me? Yeah, that was. I had a friend who used to say he had a microween. And I was like, you got to be kidding. kidding like that's and then I googled it and it's like a little bit it's like the tip of your pinky right like that's like what it looks like and um I think that that exists but it's like uh I think it's like maybe a deformity apparently because I've never seen anything like that

only seen it once thank goodness yeah I don't think it's a common thing but yeah everyone likes to be filled up how old are you guys uh 48 and your wife same thing same thing we're two months apart so does she see because you know a lot of women when they start to get it close to menopause and stuff like these their sex drive sometimes changes you know does she see any of that going on with her like at all i'll talk to her about that though too because i forget i'm not at all fact we think she's kind of getting to that stage of that pre thing premenopausal thing yeah no hers is going even higher i think yeah i think that's what happens when it starts off for me it's like i i would say when perry starts to hit you get more horny because your hormones are

just like sort of crazy they start to get wacky so you you just be like so horny all the time, right? Because, you know, everything is like kind of like different and stuff, you know. But you see guys, you see guys separately from her too. Does she like for you to do videotape that stuff too? Because I know that you like to see the videos of her and for you, all of that is the big cuckled thing. Is very into it for you. Do you tape yourself with guys and since she likes it so much?

Oh, yeah. I tape them. I've even had it were like we'll face time or something like that so it's alive right so and even like the boyfriend then we talked about we've done next I travel a lot for work um and you know it's cool because I'll get like just randomly I'll be sitting there at work out of town and I pull a text up and it's a guy with his dick in her oh wow that they like just took so it's like oh that's cool right now now do you see people when you're traveling me no no I take it back after I told her I was by and when I'd go to some of the bigger cities,

I'd meet up with some guys, which I'd take videos or whatever of that and send to her. Right, because she's into it. Oh, yeah, she's big into the bike thing now. I didn't think she would be, but she is. And she probably didn't think she would be into it. I have to ask her. Ask her, because I don't know if she's actually always been into that,

or she just pretended she wasn't and just got into it. No, she might have not known. She might have not known. Listen, I've had a lot of people on my show, and I've heard a lot of different stories, And what I found is that a lot of people don't know that they're really into something until they actually, look, experience it, right? Like, you didn't know you were into guys. I still wonder if that experience didn't like sort of wire you a certain way because of it.

I don't know. But like, you know, I think that sometimes I think it makes sense. Like I wouldn't say, oh, someone's lying if they said they didn't think that they didn't know that they were into something and then they were, you know. Because I've heard that millions of times, you know, you don't know until you see it. I kind of did because even at third, I mean, I had sex with the first time at 13 with a female, but yeah. I mean, years and years before that, I thought about sex. It's just, I don't know if it's my genes or what, but I mean, I've always kind of been a sexual person, or at least on my mind. You know what I mean?

That makes sense. Yeah, but were you thinking of ever guys? Honestly, I don't remember. Right. I don't know. Mm-hmm. You don't know. I don't.

I've always been a person. I just, I believe you're born a certain way. You know, I think if with me, I'm. buy, I think that was just what, it's who I am. Right. Especially because you're so, especially because you say like you're sort of wired to be like super imaginative, right? And creative.

Like look at the scenarios that you think of. Yeah. I'm crazy imaginative when it comes to sex. Yeah. So I don't think if you have that kind of an imagination and you're that creative and open, right, that that kind of brain stops at half the population. Do you know what I mean? I think that that makes, I think that type of.

brain is more probably open to being bisexual, right? Because it's just more broadened, a sort of view of things. You know what I mean? And you said you were always like super curious and super interested in anything goes with you, right? Like you love it all. Like, and, and so. Yeah, I mean, like my limits.

Like I'm not in like scat. Yeah, what are your limits? I'm not like into scatter. I mean, just gross shit. Right. You know, I'm not into that. What about P? Um, actually I'm not.

I'm okay with that. Yeah. Because, like, she squirts. Uh-huh. Sometimes she squirts a lot. Yeah. And I've told her before, just let it all go. And she actually has.

Right. And you like it. And it doesn't bother. Oh, yeah. I love it. Yeah, I think a lot of guys like that are. Scats a different story. That's just gross.

Yeah, that's totally different. I had a guy on. And I must have had like 50 emails back and forth with him to try to get him on my show. Because, like, there's certain topics that I've had on a million times. But everyone's story is totally different. I still have people on, but there's certain things that I still have never had on that exist out there, right? That's one of them.

And I had, I have, I don't get a lot of emails for it. So when somebody emails me that's into that, I'm like, really try hard to book that guess. And this was a long time ago. And he was so close and it just never happened. And I emailed him like a thousand times because I really wanted to talk to somebody that's into that, right? Because it is a thing. I used to, my friend owned adult, my friend owned adult video.

on 42nd Street, like when 42nd Street was like X-rated, right? Like, so many years ago. And I used to make copies of the porn for him. Like, I worked for him. I had to make copies of them and I had to take, write the blurbs on the boxes and stuff. And so I would, there would be like one room where I was taping like 50 porn, you know, and there were so many scat video. Like, you know, they wouldn't make them if there weren't people buying them, you know.

They're out there, right? But that's where you and your wife draw the, line, right? I mean, like, you don't do scat it. Because it sounds like, you know, you're into cuckolding, like the whole boyfriend thing. That's like a little polyamory. I don't know. But you're, you're not really into that because you don't really care about being with other women, right? That's just something new that sort of happened, right? Between you and your wife? Yeah. I mean, I'm human. I'm obviously out working, whatever. I mean, there's attractive women or whatever, but that's not something that I really sit there and like intensely think about or fantasize about.

I mean, it's enjoyable being with other women, too. But you're enough with your wife. But what you like to have a variety is is guys, right? Yeah. Now, like I said, this new couple, it's very, like we met and, you know, he was fucking her. I was fucking her. I was eating her. He was eating her.

They were, eating each other. Him and I played a little bit. This weekend is going to be, like, a really fun thing we're going to do. What do you guys do? Well, if you wait until Monday to talk to Wednesday, She'll tell me all about it. So how long have you played with this couple? Not very long, but they're local, so it works out well.

And like I said, they're both attracted, both by. They're right around our age. Very similar. So, yeah, there's going to be a lot of good things happening with that here. And where do you, do you meet up in hotels? Because you have kids, right? I'm assuming they might have kids. Do you do this kind of like hooking up in a hotel room?

Yeah, hotel. You know, kids are in age. there's and ours now that sometimes it'll you know hopefully they'll be away for the weekend or you know overnight or something and uh because we have a big property we have huge old farmhouse out in the country so we can like go out back and do anything we want to do right there campfires around we got you know pool and all the stuff so you know because we really enjoy outdoor sex too it's kind of cool so and so where did you meet this couple um we met them on fat life now gee oh oh you told about them right

Now, do you guys have any rules and regulations with each other? I don't have any rules, but I don't think she does. I mean, like I said, we all four kind of did everything. We kissed oral. Didn't do anal or anything. But, yeah, so far, everything's been fine and nothing. Now, like me, like, I'm okay. I've talked to him maybe about coming over, like, during a day.

Yeah. And those two play. I'm okay with that. And Wendy's okay with that. But that couple's not quite there yet. He said, you know, maybe eventually. why they like to come together. So maybe that's one of their rules, right?

They don't play separate, right? Yeah, apparently she got out of a bad relationship before they got married for a long time, so it was a long time ago. But I guess she had a bad relationship of cheating and all that. At least that's what they say. I don't know. It may just be a trust thing.

You know, not everybody can do that. I'm just, I'm not a jealous person. I never have been. I think jealousy is one of the dumbest emotions there is. You just don't feel that. Yeah, it's not that you don't care about a person. I just, to me, jealousy is stupid. If somebody's going to cheat on you, they're going to cheat on you,

and all you're doing being jealous is going to make it worse. Right. I've never been a jealous person. I wouldn't say Jen's jealous. I don't think she's quite as non-jalous as I am, but for the most part, she's really not either. Right. So has there ever been a time, though, since she, like, where she had an issue with anything,

but probably not because it's not like you've been with many women. I mean, you just started being with other women. Most of the time, all of this sort of playing with other people was with her, with guys and you, right? Not. Yeah, I've only been with one since I've been married to Wendy. That's just a couple we're playing with now. Right.

And that's the first time for her, right? So it's not like you've been with tons of women and she's had to watch that. It's more that she's been with tons of guys and you watch it. But that's something that you love. Right. And I was actually a nervous wreck when we started playing this couple because I didn't know. She said she was for it. We talked about that she's going to be fine with it.

But, you know, I don't want to upset her. I mean, none of this is worth upsetting her about. No, that's why I asked you in the beat. Really cautiously. but yeah that's why I said yeah because I think a lot of women you know when guys say they want their woman to do that you know the woman worries will he really be okay just like what you just said you know I wondered if she had those feelings because I could see that someone would worry that somebody would get a bit freaked out you know what I mean you really want to make sure because

that's the last thing especially because you were like dying to go fuck another woman you're totally happy with your Wendy right like you got it you got it made you got a you got everything you want, right? You don't need other women. You were going to do that for her, right? It was for both of us. Like I said, I mean, I'm not saying it's something I don't enjoy. I do, but it's not something that you would risk your relationship for. Right, exactly. Like if you couldn't have it, you'd be fine. But let me ask you this, would you be able to at this point in your life, because now you live like a bisexual guy's fantasy. I have a lot of guys that call me show. I don't know if you've heard them, but like a lot of guys call that are doing all of their buy stuff behind

their wife's back and they wish they could be like you sort of being open about it right and because and um but you know they're afraid that their wife would like freak out and stuff you know what I mean but your wife didn't oh I was the same way a year ago yeah it's very recent for you but like would you now be able because you weren't with guys all that time when you were with your wife right I'm assuming because you don't cheat right but maybe you were getting your by side thick like you were your by side was getting sort of fed because you were always constantly seeing guys fuck her, right? And so you had like, that's the way you were sort of maybe, you know, feeding that side of

yourself, right? With those pictures and seeing the guy fuck her, right? And the videos. Absolutely. So you could have lived like that forever. But then because you brought it up and now she's into it, like you're living your ultimate life, right? You get to be exactly who you are, do everything that you want to do.

And you have a loving relationship, right? All of that is intact. You get all of that from her. Oh, yes, very much so. Yeah, and she's cool with it. And that's great for you. So you could probably never turn back, right? Because not be with men anymore now that you opened it up.

Yeah, not. But, you know, we both know that if, you know, if a time came where she just didn't want to do this stuff anymore, or if I decided I didn't want to do it anymore, we are both 100% okay with just stopping. Right. And, I mean, for real, we are. And it wouldn't cause any riff or anything else between us. We're a very unique couple. I'm not just saying that because it's mine,

but we are just very tied together as one. Right. And you have that security. Because I always say, like, what I believe is, like, if you really know that somebody emotionally, like the emotional part, right? And I think that that's what people that are, don't want to open up their relationship

or have reservations about it, I think that's the thing that worries them the most is that they would lose the person, right? And what they would lose is it's not just the sex, it's that they would lose that person. That's the person that they feel emotionally connected to, right? And romantically connected to, and they have a life together, right?

And so you worry that if sex got involved with somebody else, that they'd leave you for that. But if it's just sex and you know that emotional and all that other stuff you're getting from each other, what does it matter, right? But I think that a lot of people aren't really, I think the problem is that there's, sometimes there's not that,

security between a couple. Do you know what I mean? You and your wife, like you just knew, she just clicked. It's one of those relationships where it's just so solid, right? But I just don't think that a lot of people have that. No, they don't. And I've always been a believer. You know, that's why I said I'm not a jealous person.

You know, like you said, you have guys calling that do things behind their wife's back. Yeah. You know, I know a lot of divorces be because of money and everything else. In today's world, I honestly believe most of those divorces are because of sex. Mm-hmm. in my opinion, I think if more couples opened up, you know, like wife might be, oh, he'll leave me or vice versa. Yeah.

You know, like these guys that called in, if they could open up to their wives and the wife would be okay with it, you know, rather than the frustration, oh, God, I want to do this so bad. And most guys, if they do cheat on her wife, they're probably, they feel bad after doing it anyway. Yeah. But if they know they could do that and not get in trouble and the wife is okay with it. We leave a lot of tension going on at home.

My opinion, my opinion, the courage is even better and stronger. For sure. And, but there's all this other stuff that muddies that all up. You know what I mean? And then people aren't being who they really are. And that is the big, that is a big dilemma, you know. And I mean, I can't. That's the biggest thing with me is for literally for the first time my entire life.

Yeah. At least since I was 13, I can be me. And isn't that great? Oh, it's absolutely. It's fantastic. Yeah. And I think that, especially when it comes to sex. Like, I mean, I do my show.

Like, I mean, you get, if you listen to like a couple of my episodes, you realize I'm like totally not judgmental. I don't know why people give a shit about what people do sexually. Like, I don't know. People see it as this thing. I don't understand it because I don't, it's just like you like what you like. Like, I don't think it doesn't really matter yet so many people put so much. I don't know, stalk into it.

And they really get very judgmental about it. And that's what everyone's fear is about being who they are and letting their freak fight flight flight. Like I said, I do believe it's very different with younger people nowadays. And I think that that's great. I was telling my friend, because the other day. a comedian that I know came out on someplace just saying that him and his wife have an open relationship and it saved their relationship because that's just what he wanted to do and whatever. And I was like, you know, we grew up in the wrong generation.

I was saying to my friend because like when we were growing up, there was like only two choices. You were either single or you were in a relationship and you were monogamous, you know. And now I think that the younger generation, there's lots of different relationships that are available for them. People are having polyamorous relationships. People are having open relationships. People are swing. You know, it's very different, you know.

So, and I think that that's a good thing. And I do think that there are so many marriages that got to, like, and that got broken up because, like, a husband or a wife cheated, right? And, like, would that have happened if they were allowed to be open and would that, you know, and listen, sometimes it's like there's a problem there that has nothing to do with sex. Like, that guy's a fucking skank and he's going to fuck everyone and you don't want to be with that kind of guy or the woman's like, you know, there's a lot of times that it's not, it should be broken up anyway, right?

But there are a lot of times where a man or a woman is in love with their partner, but maybe they'd need a little variety or something happens, you know, and should it end a whole relationship if it means nothing, you know, a lot of guys are out there banging other people. They love their wife or their girlfriend. It doesn't mean anything the sex, but if it's found out, it's devastating to women. And I understand that. totally understand it because it's all kept undercover, you know? So hopefully in 30 years from now, you know, things will be much more open, right? And maybe women will, and no one will have the

expectation of this whole monogamous thing. People will be more open. But I think it's, I think giving the security or being with somebody that you have the security of knowing that emotionally, romantically, all those other ways that you're each other's partners. And that's it. You know what I mean? Like you're best friends. You're together. forever, then that little part of your life can be opened up because everything else is just between you too. And that's the security that people need. Because I think the big fear underneath all of it and that jealousy is that you'll lose the person. You know what I mean? Maybe they're going to like them more and everything. And I think that that's because for me, I've always believed

in open relationships and all that stuff. But like I've been with guys, I've been super jealous. But that's because I've never been in a relationship where I felt emotionally secured. Do you understand? So without that emotionally security, I don't want them to be out physically. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Like, women are much more like maybe clinging or afraid of abandonment issues, right? But, you know, I've seen guys that are. It's just a biological thing.

I don't think women are any less or better because I think it's just a biological thing. Women are just more emotional than men typically are. Right. So, but I think that that's the thing. That's the missing component that like some people need. And, you know, if you have an open-minded person, I'm an open-minded person. and I would be open to that, but I would have to be with the right person

that I felt like very safe with them that they're going to stay with me. You know what I mean? And then that other stuff could be. And I think it's important. I've always said this and I think, and look, and even you guys who were so open and so together.

Like you waited a while before you did stuff with each other, right? I'm not saying that some couples can't go into it together. And we've progressed into this though too. I mean, we'll just flip a light switch on. Okay, we're going to do everything. We've progressed, you know, just playing with a guy with her.

And then. You know, her playing with multiple guys and, you know, her going away on her own and then bringing a guy in, bring a company. It's, it's been a progression over, you know, six, seven, eight, nine years. Right. And that's important because that's why you had that security, that, you know, foundation of security of like you guys are with each other. Like that, you guys have that to the point where you guys could go do a gang bang, but you guys could have intimate romantic sex with each other and you're still partners, you know. So I think that that's important. it could be like a train wreck if like you be you go into it like no holds barred do whatever you

want in a relationship right off the bat you know because look you guys were super open-minded people who had done a lot of stuff and you came into this relationship like those people but you still didn't jump right into that right and I think that that is is smart and I think that that has added to your success I think good sex with each other is important too like right we've met people like she you know she'd love giving head. I love giving her head. I love, we're upset. We do all the stuff.

Yeah. I mean a lot of people and it's like, wow, there's the prudes, whether it's the guy or the girl. You know, I know women who won't give blowjob. I know guys that think going down a girl's disgusting. Yeah, that's weird, though.

When I mean a guy that won't go down a girl, I think that guy's gay because I'm like, I don't understand. I don't get that. No, this is weird. Well, we even do things like we went to a bar, I don't know, five, six,

seven, eight years ago on Thanksgiving night. It used to be a bar. When I was younger as bar. his bar, everybody hung out on Thanksgiving night. Well, we were a little older, and I had been there in like a decade. Yeah. So we decided to go there one night. We were literally the only people in this bar other than the bartender.

And we're sitting, we had a few drinks, and we was like, fuck it. We went back to the bathroom. I locked the door. I fucked her right there in the bathroom. The bartender's knocking on the door two or three times. We don't give the shit and just fucked her right there. Yeah. We used to have a, you fire like a wee vibe.

A what? The we vibe. It's a vibrator. Oh, I don't know the we vibe. It's a good vibrator. the W-E 5-V-A-B? Oh yeah, get you a Wii Vibe.

Okay. That's Vibevers on the market. Okay. They make one, these are a high dollar. I'm talking like $120 and $30 vibrators. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like those wand things, those like wand looking things? The electric wands, yeah, we've got electric wand too.

You can tell you about that. That thing's awesome. Okay. We have this one where it actually had a remote control with it. We had two of, one had a key chain remote control. Uh-huh. And one of them was actually controlled from my iPhone. Oh, wow.

So, you know, when I was out of town and stuff, it was awesome because She'd put that thing in, and I'd sit down, and I could actually control the speeds, the vibrations, everything. Oh, just from your phone. That's so awesome, yeah. And it was really cool. She could have her phone sitting beside her. And actually, I think I back on the vibrator. Whenever she was having an orgasm, she could press it, and it alert me that she just had an orgasm.

It's pretty cool. Oh, my God, that's hilarious. The other one with the keychain, we were actually at one of the kids' school plays one time in elementary. Yeah. And she had that, it was, you put it in that little pocket in the front of your panties, the vibrator. Uh-huh. But I had the controller on my keychain. well, you know, we're in this dark gym watching this Christmas page or whatever.

And you're vibrating her? And she's saying her squirming, she goes, stop, stop, stop. Oh, my God. You know, that's the stuff. You know, that's the stuff that keeps relationships interesting. You know, you're not, you always trying to just pleasing each other. Because, you know, I do think if you go out and start playing with our things and you're doing it because you're not getting something or you're not happy with this about your partner, you're in for trouble. Right.

Like you said, you guys. We're always doing new things. With each other. Right. You're not doing it because it's, you're not doing it because it's stale. you're not doing it because you're lacking something. And I find anyway that people, most of the time people that have,

because you guys were kinky with each other, even though you guys were with other people, like you probably brought a lot of your imagination to your sexual experiences between each other. But like, but I, what all other couples have said is that that kind of stuff helps,

like being really open and really, like really helps a sex life. It makes it better. And then when you add in all that other stuff, I mean, And if there's no jealousy and you guys have that security and stuff, like everybody says, like, the pictures of being with other people and the stories is like you have even better sex with your partner when you're home. Like, that's what everybody says across the board. Like, it's like you get home and you have the best sex ever, right?

So it does. It's not like taking away by being with somebody else, right? It's adding to what you have together. Right. Oh, like when she'd go to her friend's house, you know, I'd be at home, you know, the guy she was kind of seeing. Yeah. You know, live five minutes away. So they'd have sex and stuff.

You know, those guys clean. We know that. So they didn't just conjuring like that. Yeah. She'd come home. I'd be in bed. She'd come in, close the door, get in bed, and she's like literally dripping. Yeah.

Yeah. It's hot as fuck, you know what I mean. Yeah, totally. For both of you, right? So it's not like, and that's what everyone says. That was like you, and I think that's what is surprising to some people because they would think that that would ruin things. But for people that do it and try it, like seeing your partner and realize that they

they like it, they all say it just makes. the sex with the person 10,000 times better. And now the great thing is, is that we're going to hear Wendy's whole sign. And now she's already emailed me some backstory on her. That's just like, I was like, you can't make the shit up, right? So we're going to.

I know what she emailed you. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the teaser because like this is, you know, we're like, like I was going to do you guys together. But like I think it's hard. Sometimes I have three people on a call that I was like, let's do it separate because my listeners love to hear women.

really open-minded women who really love sex, right? So, like, to get Wendy on her own is going to be great, right? Because we're going to talk all about these stories, but her backstory, which is really fascinating. And then here... Wendy is just awesome. You'll love talking about her. Yeah, I hear, like, a woman's point of view,

which I think is always interesting, because I have a lot of guys on and guys know how guys think, right? But it's rare to hear a woman who's really super open about her stuff, right? And is in living that life. So we'll get all the... information from her soon because I'm going to tape that and then I'll probably air yours first and then Wendy second we're going to make people wait for Wendy. Okay and when you you know where she told you she worked. Yes we can't say anything this is a teaser. No I'm not going to say anything but

there was a lot of swingers that were at that same place. I'm sure I'm sure she saw them in clubs and everything else at the time. I'm sure she can tell me the whole story so anyway it's interesting all right so Chris right is that what we called you I always forget people's name by anything. All right thanks so much for calling in, Chris, and we'll talk to Wendy soon. Thanks so much for all your stories. Bye. All right. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Okay. I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly anonymous confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available, not only in paperback and e-book, but you can pre-order the audio book. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories.

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