Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 305 - Bisexual Kailey is a Man who Sometimes Enjoys Being a Woman

Episode Date: October 14, 2019

Bisexual Kailley is a man who sometimes wants to be a woman and he calls in to talk all about it. When did his desire to be a woman start? When did he have his first bisexual experience with a man as a woman? How does sex as a woman with a man differ from sex as a man with a woman? Tune in to find out plus hear all about the thee relationships he’s had as a woman, twice with men and once with a woman and the relationship issues he’s having with his current wife who knows nothing about his female alter ego. Details include the foreplay he’s enjoyed with men, the cuckolding scenarios he’s experienced with his ex wife, the threesome they had with their doorman and a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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podcast.com or go to my website, strictly anonymouspodcast.com, and click on be on the show. I'm always looking for people to call in. Today, I have on a guy named Kaylee, and the reason why his name is Kaley is because sometimes Kaley likes to be a woman. Now, I thought that meant that he likes to dress up as a woman, but he clears that up right in the beginning, that that's not the case. He just likes to feel like a woman and he likes to be with men when he's a woman, though he doesn't like to be with men when he's a guy. It's kind of confusing but interesting because he very much breaks it down and we talk all about this, how he's lived that out, you know, how many people he's come in contact with in his life that has, have been able to deal with both sides of him and

have a relationship. He's managed to have a relationship with both a man and a woman while being a woman. Currently, though, he's married to his wife of many years. And she doesn't know about this lifestyle at all. It's a big, fat secret to her. And they have what I would consider a very common problem, whereas the SCX and their marriage is not really well. it was not going well and we talk all about that too so it's like I don't know and I think I said this on

the podcast it's like he's got two different things going on one of them is very uncommon right we talk about this whole thing about him wanting to be a woman and let me tell you the first woman he was with I mean he's with married to a woman now who's like very vanilla sex and that's the problem but the first girl he was with the first woman she was totally into everything and they have some crazy stories about stuff that they did one which involves a doorman and a a threesome. But so in one sense, he talks all about like this very uncommon thing where he's a girl, he likes to be a woman and we break that down.

And then in another, other, towards the end of the podcast, we discuss, you know, the relationship issues he's having with his wife, which to me is a very common issue, whereas, you know, you're with someone for a very long time and suddenly the sex just goes out the window. Not suddenly. I think maybe it happens over time, but it's just not there and it's not happening and he doesn't know what to do about it. And he also, you know, misses being a woman. living that part out, that part of himself because he doesn't cheat behind her back.

So, uh, anyway, let's get into it. I'm going to be right back on with Kaylee. So you live a very double life, right? Double in the sense of, you know, you're a guy. You're married. I'm assuming you've been married for years, right? But during that whole time, you have had not just a double life, but like a secret double life, right?

Your wife has no idea that you, sometimes feel like a woman and you dress up and go out and be a woman, right? I actually don't dress up. Oh, you don't? What does that mean? What do you mean? No. I never dress up because I have a very muscular physique.

Okay. It doesn't look good. That doesn't work for me. I would like to work. You know, I would love to work pretty things and do that, but it just doesn't look right. So what do you do when you become a woman, quote, unquote? Mostly I just, now, I mean, I'm in. For the last couple long, you know, over a decade I've got nothing.

Just fantasize or remember things I used to do because there's just no opportunity anymore. I have three kids. I have a job. I have a wife. So these were things I used to do in the past. Yeah, let's talk about that. But what did you used to do when you felt like you needed to be a woman? Because you said sometimes like the urge would come on and then it could maybe last for a couple of days or longer depending, right?

Well, I had a before I got married, I had a boyfriend for about two or three years, a long-term relationship, and he was great about it. He was actually gay, but when I told him by neither, he was very willing to accommodate it, which is kind of rare, actually, in the gay world. Yeah, right? Because, you know, they don't want a woman. No, not at all. No point of being gay.

Yeah, and that was really good. And before that, I mean, I had, like, go back to my teenagers, I had another friend. that we started doing this with, but we would role play. And this was going, I think starting, I was probably 14 or so. Yeah. And I was always a girl, and he was the guy, and we would, you know, roleplay,

and we would actually, you know, have these very elaborate scenarios and fantasies about whether we were, I don't know, somewhere in the future in a starship or, you know, in the Wild West, whatever. And, you know, we could actually make love and have sex. as part of the fantasy. Mm-hmm.

And this is when you were 14. I think starting for 14, probably to, I was 16 or so. So you lost your virginity to do a guy at 14? Yes. Mm-hmm. Okay. And what about to a female? I think about 17.

Okay. I always thought I really like love women too. Yeah. Very funny women, especially visually. When I walked down the street, for me, I don't touch as men visually so much. Yeah. It doesn't matter how a guy looks at there's certain presence I like.

Right. A very authoritarian personality, very strong personality. But then visual, and his woman, it's much more visual. Right. Maybe that energy is, like, good for you because it, like, makes you feel more like a woman, right? Like, that stronger presence than sort of diminishes you, right? That's what you like. I imagine.

So, you know, my friend in high school, we did that for a while. And I always thought of myself a strike back then because I think you just couldn't really get any girls in your shirt super horny. So you just figured. That's so funny. This is just something we do. Because we can't get chicks. Right. I just associated myself from it.

I just didn't think about it. Yeah. Outside of when we were doing it. Yeah. I feel like so many people would think that that just doesn't make any fucking sense, but it does in a way. You know what I mean? Like,

I mean, it of course makes sense because that's how you felt, right? And I just think that people just frame things or file things in their brain in certain ways or don't, right? It's like, I can't tell you how many guys I've had on my show that have had dicks in their mouth and they don't consider themselves bisexual, right? And here you were doing that and you just were like, oh, it's because we can't get chicks, right? It didn't mean anything at then. Partially true, but it's also, I mean, I really enjoyed the sex with gray and it was, you know, really hot. But I just didn't think about it myself that way. It's something I care about how I don't call me bisexual. Do you have any hangups? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just don't think it's quite the right

word because I don't like having sex with a man when I feel like a man. Right. Right. You, Right, right, right. It's definitely a little bit different. Because for you, you're having heterosexual sex, but you're the woman, right? It's a woman and a man sex that you like. Sometimes you like to be the man. Sometimes you like to be the woman. And my erogenous zones are completely different.

Like when I'm having sex with a woman, when I'm a sex with a woman, I'm completely kind of very dick focused, you know? Yeah. Like you like, orgasm, I mean, you know, it's great and all. But for a woman, it's like my ears, it's in my neck. And someone kisses me there. Uh-huh. And kissing is much more

erogenous than like my genital area. And I can really get off that way. If a guy does it right. Right. And it's an intense, clearly an orgasm, but I don't know how to explain it. It's like intensely pleasurable. And so like that's also cause, you know, it's why it's hard to find a guy who does with a lot of guys that went out.

And I love kissing. Yeah. Pursion and love making. And I found, you know, really have a lucky to find two guys who would do this. they run out another guy. But then the other things, yeah. So we started actually when we both did get girlfriends

and we kind of stopped doing that and we moved away for college. And I didn't really have that in my life for a while. And I thought because I thought of myself, well, maybe I'm bisexual. I clearly enjoy sex with a guy. So I tried to grow out a few times as a man and just have sex with guys.

They never ended well. A lot of times I couldn't get it up. Then the guys would be frustrated to get them to play these games. I just find to fuck and suck quickly, you know. Yeah. So it's never really worked for me going out as a guy who's just trying to find another guy who has sex with. Right, because you needed it to be a specific way for you to get it.

It was like, right? I mean, it wasn't like you just, like you said, it wasn't like you were gay or bisexual and was top or a bottom. You wanted to be a female. And I would assume, I would think, right, that most gay guys or even by, wouldn't be into that, right? They're not into it. Right. Especially the kind of guys, since I have a very very. muscular body.

Yeah. They're expecting a certain thing for me. Yeah, they want you to be a hot dude, right? Because you look like one, right. Right. So it actually made it very easy to track, man, but not the kind of way I wanted. It's like called a bait and switch. That's what you were pulling.

Right. It's like, here I am a hot, beefy dude, but I want to be a chick. I was like, what the fuck? So then I met, I got a girlfriend in college. He was really very sexual. open sexually. And we had great sex for a while. And, you know, she was clearly, I open just about anything.

And I would kind of bother her, like, pass to tell me stories about her past. Uh-huh. You know, she's sex than she's young. And I would get super turned on by them. And also jealous, which drive her crazy. Right. You know, so.

But it's sort of like a cuckolding thing that was going on, right? Or starting for you. Anyway, so I don't like any of the... The terms. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not my thing. It's just seeing... I think also living like fair to see through a woman.

Like, if you're a girlfriend, I'm saying the guy, so I'm like, like you're doing it too. Right. And that's your... And for you, that's what you like. I mean, that's what you want to do, but sometimes it's hard to do for you.

So that's like the next best thing, right? Yes, so you can be there like with your woman, you know, like you have to make out for her way, she's getting fucked by that. God, it's super hot. Right. It's just everything. So,

Anyway, especially I have flights about this. She's like, what is this thing? Why do you keep asking me for these stories? But I'm getting jealous. She's the driver crazy. And I finally just told her, you know, sometimes I kind of interested in what it felt like for you. Right.

Because I've had these feelings. And she was totally cool with it. I mean, she was like, no judgment. She goes, oh, that's really interesting. That, you know, and she was like, well, I thought about being a guy sometimes. You know, I fantasized. So, so, you know, she would be actually saying role playing again. where I would be the woman and she would be the man and we actually got a dildo and she

strapped on him and we'd make that that way and um yeah this was really great so it was open and she was really into it she wasn't just doing it for you yeah that was pretty great dripping wet you can obviously tell if she really likes it um so after a while that we started to talk about maybe bring another guy in but we didn't really know how to go about doing it You know, this is back a long time. You know, I'm in early 50s now, so just going back. There wasn't the Internet or anything. Right.

So what we did do, there was an adult theater in our city. So occasionally we would go there and watch the movies sit there. And it was really strange because it was kind of in a bad part of town, so it was a little. Seedy. A little seedy, but also exciting in a way. And so we would kind of make out watching the movie. And the guys would kind of, you know, be watching us obviously. Usually she was the only woman in the theater and getting closer.

And a lot of the guys were black guys, you know. Yeah. I find very attractive and she did. And I don't know. I think they would start, you know, masturbating or jerking off not that far from us. And I could tell she was so hot my wife. Well, she became my wife. Right, right.

I was going to say that, right. And, you know, some of these huge, these guys had, it was sexy. And the thing was, they were kind of shy in a way. It was odd. I don't know if we didn't know how to send this all these things, but they would kind of move closer to which you think, maybe they never come right close and sit right next to her.

And I know if they had, I know she wouldn't have been able to not, you know, trick them off or at least or maybe, maybe blow that. Yeah. I mean, so, but they never actually happened. They went really close and you could to grab it. She was open to it though? Was she open to doing stuff with them? Yes, oh, definitely.

I think maybe we're a little, maybe we're a little concerned about STDs. Yeah, because it's, I wonder, like, I'm, listen, I think that that's super cool that they were like so respectful, right? Like, maybe they were being really respectful. I think it's like that. I think maybe just, and when they were so rare, people don't want to mess it up and scare her away.

Yeah, exactly, right. but there was you know I also which would have but I think probably the real I mean I'm sorry if we would give a sign

and they would have come over but I think maybe I think it was more that's TV and anything else we thought about you just don't you know yeah you don't know right of course right and um

so we did that for a while and then I found there was like a magazine you know there was some kind of a magazine like you know porn store where they had a back section with ads and there was like people took got ad for Swinder thing.

Yeah. And there was an ad about a guy, you know, who wanted to meet a couple. So we called him, and he was a white guy, an attractive guy, kind of like a rock fire. So we invited him over and he was talking to him a really nice guy. He bought some wine and he's a total,

you know, really nice guy. And I don't know if we actually can go through it. I think, you know, we can't talk. And then my wife, she was running. I remember she was wearing this kind of pink, come on old thing and she's a Latino. She's very attractive woman. Uh-huh.

I thought she just got up and she went over and stuck her in his mouth. And they started making out. And I was, it was, I got super homie. And then so then she started to blow him and he went down to her and, um, he was like, and he was by, I don't think, I think mainly, the main attraction for him was her. Mm-hmm. So, you know, he played this big little bit. I stuck him a little bit.

Maybe he also liked you watching. Oh, yeah, I think he did. Yeah. So, you know, at the same time for them to actually thought I got into a cock into her, but I see, which I really like. And then I was, I don't know how totally she was. I think she was into the situation more than maybe the guy. Yeah, uh-huh.

Somehow. So, yeah, they said, it was pretty good. And, you know, it was over, and then I didn't need too much else with him. You know, he said, thanks and bye. And that was it. That was it. You know, then we talked about it for a while ago.

I mean, then we had sex safe mom, which was, she didn't use a common. She was on the pill. And this was really before age was a big deal. Yeah. It was probably kind of dumb.

No, but before age. Age isn't the only thing. No, but before I live, I'm around your age, right? And I lived in that time.

Like before AIDS, you only thought about like, oh, I might get pregnant, right? It wasn't like I could die. Herpes was still around, but no, I don't think people. thought about it, right?

Because that's like a lifelong thing, too. We should have been thinking about. But a lot of people didn't think so much about STDs because it wasn't like going to kill you. They thought more about, oh, getting pregnant, right? So like if your girl's on the pill, you're like, okay, good to go, right? Right. And so we, you know, I think I was, anything else that way back then could be treated even if you did get something. Yeah.

Most things were treatable. So, I don't know, he didn't use a condom. And then we did have sex like that. It was very, very hot, you know, making them to her with the other guys. Yeah. And it really sounds gross to the people. No, I just taped. I'm, the girl, woman I'm doing this week is that she talked about her husband.

I would love that. Her husband's by, you know, he was just on. The guy I just posted. He, he, he, they call that the cream pie or whatever. Like, he would love when she came home with his common side of her. What I never did back then, I never, I showed over it. You know, actually go down on the woman after she's been talking about the guy, which sounds really hot. I just never did.

It did it. Right. I know the guys talked about it. Yeah. Anyway, so, you know, we actually, we were very busy. You know, we weren't really kind of sex-obsessed people either or not. You know, we both were intensely into, like, starting our careers and other things. So we just decided that, you know, that was fun, but it wasn't really worth doing it again.

It wasn't that great. Yeah. the threesome. Right. But then we lived in the building, but the dorm room was just just amazing looking black guy. A really nice and dressed well,

and he was tall, probably six, five even. Wow. You know, muscular, just a great, amazing looking guy. And we were kind of flirt with him a little bit when he went in another lobby. He was very friendly. And, you know,

we talked about fantasizing about it, you know, getting with him at times. But I think we were hesitant because it's just too close to home, you know. There's someone you can see. Oh, for sure. Daily. I was hoping that the story would end with you guys banging the doorman, does it? It's what it does.

Oh, it does? Because one day it was like, I remember it was like a super hot day. It was like 100 degree up where we were out and my wife was right. We had been married by that and she was wearing something very campy. We came back because there's a pool in the complex. We came back in the pool and he was there. I can't remember. I actually can remember exactly what was said, but it was something suggestive.

Yeah. Yeah, and then we kind of left off, and then we went to our apartment, and then about half hour later, I think you found some excuse to come to our apartment, like checking on, I don't know, plumbing or something. No way. Yes. And we were like, oh, okay, come on. And I remember there was a football game.

It's like, come on if you want to watch the game with for a while and have some food. And so he came in and, uh, so he came in. And I was turned on myself. He had such a strong presence, this guy. In a deep voice, I love, it's very important to me, a man's voice. He's very sexy to me. The right voice is important. And he had such a nice voice.

And he was so laid back, but confident. And so we started watching the game. And people were making a suggestive remark about, oh, my wife would say something about the football players how sexy they were. And he was saying things clearly that he was, they thought we were both attractive. Uh-huh. Oh, wow.

You guys like, oh, you guys don't know what the most beautiful cut off the scene. You guys look so great together. You know, I'm sure you had like great success. And,

um, so I, my husband could be very, you know, take charge and she wanted something. So she went to the other room and she came back wearing something very scimpy.

Right. Like it's on. Like she gave him. It definitely, I knew. Yeah. And I was just, the one thing I wasn't clear was like,

so, what am I going to be doing here? Yeah. Because I really wanted to touch him too. And I just know, you know, he was saying things about, you know, he thought it was good looking too. And so I just don't kind of let her take the lead, you know. And he was just totally cool. He didn't seem to look back an eye.

And, you know, somebody she went into the other room that she came back and she kind of sat on his lap. And he looked at me for a second just to check my reaction. and I just smiled, you know, and they started making out. And it was very exciting because she was sitting on his leg and she was kind of fatigating. He was really a big guy. Yeah. And he had these suit hands of her, you know, and he started reaching into her inside or whatever camera. It was like what she was in a robe or something.

And she whispered to something to him. I don't know what it was. Mm-hmm. And I tried to ask him. she remember and then he said yes and she's ready for me to come over and I kind of sat on his other leg so he was kind of sitting with this like far apart so she was sitting on one night on the other yeah and we all started making out together just kissing like the three I cannot believe this is

going down with your dormant as someone who lives in New York City and has lived with buildings with torments all my life like it's crazy maybe if you saw this dormant no I don't I'm not saying if like I'm not saying it's crazy and a bad way. It's crazy in the most salacious. Like, I cannot believe this is going down. And I wonder how many other doorman fuck the people that live in their building. I wonder because they're right there. Yeah. People at nighttime, someone, two in the morning is lonely. And there's a hot dormant. I just always wondered. Yeah. Sometimes, you know, I don't think I would do it later in life. I think you were kind of young. Fun. When you're younger, you don't think about the risks and you don't think things

as much, I think. That's like one of the wonderful things about being young, right? Yeah. So there you are both sitting on his lap, making out with him. Then what happens? Right. And then, you know, we started to go down and got his shirt off. And you were kissing kind of his chest and his static.

And, um, put his pants out. And of course, he had this huge cock. I mean, it's just, you know, lie and thick and beautiful. Mm-hmm. And my wife, of course, went right for it. And I did too. So we were kind of giving them head together for a while. Wow.

And it was just really nice. It was the hottest thing I've ever had in my life. To this day, I can jerk off thinking about it. Right. Yeah, it's like a, it's like a porn. It's like a scenario that would happen in like a porn, right? And people would love that, you know, but it doesn't, I don't think it happens that often in real life.

It's so that, right? It's never, nothing else could ever happen again. No. In that way. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, we were like, it was. It was, you know, stop in and kiss our side.

I can kiss for a while. We get with his cock between her lips. And then she decided, you know, I really need to fuck this guy. So that's fine with me, you know. Yeah. So whenever it was a bad and, you know, she just, they just fanged a missionary. He laid out in. And I got to help put his, I like to me help put his cock in her pussy.

Uh-huh. And it looks so hot because, I mean, I'm actually well above average. And I don't have a small thing. But this was another level. Yeah. And I was sure if she was going to do it, but there's no problem. Maybe she took it all. And it looks so incredibly sexually going into her.

And he had his big hands kind of like harassed. The whole thing was just like watching the porn up close. Right, but real. And it's your girl. And it's your girl. Yeah. Feeling like like, you know, then I went up and I started kissing her while he was fucking her. And she was really enjoying it.

He was really getting to her good. Right. You know, I mean, and she was. She came lots of times. And she was, we, my hand really hard. And, you know, it was just awesome. And then he said a few things while I was fucking hurt. I mean, you know, I'll fuck your boyfriend too at the point.

But I honestly don't think I ever could have taken him. Right, right. He was this big. And, yeah, then, you know, he came in there. And, again, we didn't even have him. I mean, I think we weren't prepared for this going to happen. Yeah. We didn't know he was coming in.

and then you know we just kind of chilled out for a while and he went back and I don't know if it was the end of a shift or not yeah oh my god or if he ever got in trouble for not being there because this was he's went on for a while yeah that's what I was thinking when you said he came up and made an excuse it's like how could you as a door you know a doorman can't leave his spot for that long I was he was gone pretty soon after that he wasn't there anymore so I don't know if he did get in trouble oh interesting because obviously we wanted to do this again with him yeah and We made love after he'd left and we talked about it. I didn't have any jealous at all.

I was just like, it was just so happy to have been there. Yeah. And, you know, I could get her off. We had great to see her get off in a different way. Like, he was so big and so, like, dominating her that it was a different thing. Mm-hmm. So I think we, I can't remember how exactly went to down there. I think we went traveling for a while.

You came back and he was gone. He just wasn't there. Oh, shit. never had any contact information. We were always wondering if he would come back and just come back somehow. Yeah. It would get our door someday, but it never happened. And then I just remember we kind of moved for a different city and we really got into our careers.

We would still kind of do the fantasy and role play now and then, but we never really, we wanted to try a woman too, and she did. But that never actually happened. And she would proposition some women and they just said no. She tried. Yeah, she definitely tried. And sometimes it was awkward because she tried with the railroad circle of people that we knew, which I didn't want to. Yeah.

Because it doesn't. And then people started listening. I would just have to pass. Oh, she just had to come around like that. I'm not serious. But it was a little awkward. Yeah. So that never actually happened.

And then our marriage went bad for other reasons. Mm-hmm. I mean, there was like in different career places and different issues. And how long were you together total? I think seven years. Right. She really was a good match for you. In that way, in other ways.

Yeah, in other ways, not so much. Yeah, in other ways, that's the thing. You know, it wasn't working out in other ways. Right. And I think sometimes if sex is so good, it clouds. It doesn't about other things. For sure. And that poll, when it's, you got good sex.

I've talked about it before. It keeps you sometimes in a really bad relationship for way longer than you would, as opposed to like if you were married to that same woman with all the same problems and the sex was just average, you probably would have been out of there before, right? Like it's like, Oh, definitely. It's like, I'm never going to find another person to share it.

Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was a complete wacko because there was no internet. There was no community people talking about this. Right. So I thought there was, you know, and I think I was always like, wow, I found two people in my life who have shared this with me already. The friend, right, when you were younger and then your wife, right? Right. And I really did want to, you know, get in.

So that's where I got divorced. I really kind of went for a while for aides and went out and clubbing and got a lot of chicks. I've never, I'm a much more relationship guy than I am. Mm-hmm. Even men or woman, they don't do much for me. They just like. Right. Yeah, they feel good, but I don't know.

There's just something missing. Yeah, no, I think you're either one type or not. Like, I know plenty of people that are relationship people. And that's just the way you roll, right? Yeah. So again, I try to like go out and find some guys to do this for me, but mostly it was like, hey, that's fuck, that's like immediate. I would go to like, kind of like bookstores

with glory holes in them because I don't know. I just wanted to be around the guys, actually. Yeah. But the guys were like, and I would mind jerking her guy off. I'm like really big cops visually anyway. It's not that important to me. Like actually like in a little bit. And I know just, you guys will put their cubs through a glory hole

or just in a theater and I would hold on it. Then they were like immediately like, all right, let's go. Let's fuck with. You know, and they were like, no, I can't do that. And like, what is wrong with you? So that just didn't. work out for me. I tried it for a while.

I had another friend of mine introduced me to his friend, a guy who came in. He was a Middle Eastern guy, a very kind of wealthy, this English guy. And he was like five years older than me at the time. I was probably early 30, and he was probably closer to 40. And he was just very friendly and took an interest in me and invited me to come to I forgot what it was, a play with him or something. And I didn't actually even realize that he was attracted to me. I didn't realize he was gay.

Yeah. Because he was like Middle Eastern Muslim, you know, and conservative. And then he kept inviting me out of things. I'm like for a restaurant. I wanted to, he owned part of a restaurant or something. He had raised me late one night. And I went there and then he basically made him move on me, put his hand and I died and started kissing.

me and I was like, if he was different about him already, it was like, he was really like going slow in a way though. Uh-huh. Because we had had like, seen a year like 10 times already, you know, essentially. And he just was talking a lot. And then even that he was like kissing me like and like, and he wasn't like at me like, let's go home and fuck. He was like taking time.

Right. That's what you like. So I thought, well, maybe this could work. Mm-hmm. And, um, but the thing was I was going to do like, so I started talking about his. sexual one, he admitted he basically was by, but mostly

wanted a man. You know, and he told me, you know, he's like, he was good with me. And I said,

well, I just, I kind of lied to when I told him, I never done that before. I said, I don't know. You know, I could try it a little bit.

So he had an apartment he took me to, and, you know, he was really patient. To this day, I'm surprised he put up with it. Like,

He spent a lot of time just, in a lot of time he just met there and made out, you know, maybe a little touchy-feely. He would give me, like, back reps. He really liked my muscles, so he would really like to give me massages. And then he said, well, you know, then he said he kind of pushed the issue at one point. And I said, then I kind of told him, you know, I can't have sex that way. I said, I'm, I kind of feel like a woman sometimes. And he, again, he didn't really say anything, you know, judgmental. Yeah.

And I thought, a gay guy, I think, I'd be like, okay, you know, his traffic is what gay guy got wants to put up at face. Again, but I think he was just so into me. And I think he was kind of willing to go along with it. Yeah. Maybe he was into it totally, too, in some weird way. I mean, like, look, he was, he obviously had your sort of same vibe about, like, liking instead of just getting to the action, really enjoying all that foreplay and the slowness

of everything, you know? Like, I mean, because he would, I don't know that, maybe he was a big patient. Maybe he was into it. it that way as well. Maybe that was his way too, because it was your way, right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he every now and then he would bring up,

like, and I was fine with, you know, I said, you know, I just, if you need, I'm kind of, basically, a woman here that you're doing with, and he's like, fine, does, you know, there's a, and he said it forward, like, there's a certain, like, he can even see it, he goes, there's a certain

way you talk and move, that's different than when I see you in other situations. Well, you're just your normal guy self. Right. Because it could really feel there's something different. Even though you're not dressed up, it's really a strong feminine presence. And I mean, so basically, he was like, the only one thing is like, he, you know, I didn't want him to really do anything with my cock because it's just for me, when I'm in that mode, it's like, not, you sure why that's there.

Right. Well, right, because you're a woman at that point. Yeah, so. And I think that was disappointing for him because he was. really wanted to do something, you know, something like that. He wanted to blow me, and I just couldn't really get it up for that. And I certainly couldn't ever, like, screw a guy. But I didn't be sudden to what it was, you know.

He was like, I would give him a lot. He would, you know, he would fuck me. And it was awesome. And he knew just had a kiss, like, Mario Riden's zone. He really took the time to explore that. Right. What you like, right. He could give me the most intense organes.

And he could give me the most intense organes. if we're very different from like the organs I have as a man. You know, I don't think I had a jacket or anything, but they were clearly organos in his hands. And we could make those for hours. I mean, it was really nice. He would take the time and romantic. And he had a lot of money so he could like run a nice hotel room for us. Yeah.

And this one on for like probably a couple years we had this. But then I was starting to think, you know, I really did want to have relationship with the woman again. Because I think for, you know, I did want to have family ultimately. How old were you at that point? I mean, I was, this probably went down from the time I think 32 to 34. Right. And so I did meet a woman and so I had a relationship with her, and she was a much more straight-nice girl.

So it's the one you're married to now? Yes. Okay. So we've been married for like maybe 15 years. Mm-hmm. Three kids. Right. She's very attractive, but she's just not into anything that doesn't very conventional

sex. a little sex drive on top of that. Right. And I'm sure all the three kids didn't help. No, but I'm, you know, and I was like, but this one was like, you know, I think my last relationship, I probably probably probably raised sex too much. So I think I'm going to do other things that are more important right now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'll just accept that. Yeah, you went the opposite. And, you know, it's fine. It's like we have a really good marriage. And I love having a kid. That would never, it was definitely the right thing to do. Yeah.

You know, these other things are in the long run, probably, more important. Yeah, definitely more important. Right. And just the one thing which would be the sex. I always think if like a relationship is like a pie, right? And you have different, you know, there's every slice is like something different, right? You can't just, it can't just be one big pie of sex, right?

Because there's got to be other things going on, right? So like if sex is one thing, but there's like so many other things that you had in common with her, right? It's going to like five things good are going to beat out one thing, right? Whereas it was like opposite with your other wife. Right, definitely. So I think I did continue with him for a little while. I tried with my relationship.

But then, as he got closer to getting married, I said, it just bothered me too much. And he got married, too, and he had kissed it. And, like, you know, one said, this is so bad to me to this day. Like, his wife was out of town, and I forgot he invited me over, and we ended up having sex, but it was in their bed. And I really feel guilty about that.

I mean, I shouldn't have a guy in his wife's bad. I mean, it bothers me. Yeah, I don't think there's a should-of-recur. I think, like, when you do something like that and you feel guilty, then you, you know, you figure out, like, where your boundaries are and what your morals are, right? Like, that's just telling you that that's, like, something that just doesn't, it's not cool with you, right?

So you don't do it again. Right. So he really didn't want to bank off. He didn't want to stop. Right. For a while in time, he's like, you know, and there's other things. He was very possessive in a way he could be, and it wasn't working.

And so we're still friends. It was kind of an adjustment period where we didn't talk much. Uh-huh. Because every time he did, he would try to talk to me into going back to that. Well, he knew there were certain things I could show your mind moved of wanting to be a woman. And she would play that game. And I think I can't. But the thing is, I always say, like, it's a hard come down to a lot.

There's always the nuts that I just feel exhausted and I can't concentrate. It's like I need a day transition period back. Uh-huh. And it's really hard to go back to your normal life without that. And so it's not something that we need a lot of free time. And we know, with commitments and another relationship and other things, they just, I couldn't do it. I bet you if you talk to it like an actor, right? Like that would probably be the person that could relate to that experience the most, right?

Like someone who's like, you know, in a movie as a character and get so into it, right? And then to click out and be, especially if it's a dark character. I mean, this is a character that's like so far. far from who you are, right? You're a man. It's like a woman, right? And it's like you go to this other world. And I think like it's probably the same thing, right? Because you hear actors talk about if they do a certain kind of acting. They get really into character and they can't come in and out of that, right? Because, and I'm sure they feel the same way, maybe, right? It's kind of like, I feel like that would be the person that could probably understand you the most. Maybe, right. I didn't find about that. Yeah.

So I think we're still friends. We talk maybe every couple months. Yeah. I think he's got much better about Although lately he's had some health issues where he's had erection issues and he's like, oh, you need to come help me with this. You're the one guy. You're the one person. He could do this. This is like, you know, this is a, we haven't done anything in probably 10 years. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So he's still being up that, but he's pretty cool, you know, so we're still friends. But some of my, in my current life, you know, it's okay. It's just every now and then I test the waters if there's any kind of. In what way? that she would do like I'll say something like um because when I thought I can fuck her pretty hard and she never has an issue about I mean though I'm a well above average she never has a pain issue or she likes it yeah like I'm in so I'll suggest someone I was thinking I wonder you know if an even bigger cock would would uh feel better for you and she's like oh I don't care

I just need you I don't know it doesn't matter and I said well I said the one we should try to you know a dilda or something just see because you seem to like like like Maybe you could take me where I went out and make your feeling. She's just, no, no, she's not into it. Or sometimes all I ask her, like, who she finds attractive. Like what kind of guy, you know, she would be into it, but she doesn't go there. Right. You know, and.

Did you ever think, to me, we just buy the dildo, like as a surprise and have it there? I did. Okay. And she didn't like it. She thought it just felt different. Yeah, it does. I thought her black one just to see Yeah

Yeah She didn't say anything But I think actually she She saw a porn history Looking at my ones I'm looking at kind of cuckold and stuff With that she said something But I think I don't remember what it was

Clearly she didn't like it I thought it was really strange So I just said I think I missed me some Just like oh I look and all different I said whatever comes up I don't have time Yeah yeah Yeah

You know I'd take the 10 minutes You know sometimes I'm looking at porn She knows they look at porn sometimes. It's fine, right. So I did get her like the other kind of toys that I'm not like out about your clip. Uh-huh. And she likes those. Right, but she doesn't like a huge dildo that, have you ever tried one that isn't black?

It wasn't the black thing. You just think it was like the feeling, right? Yeah. Like a smaller one. Yeah. She didn't retreat like that one either. One thing I was saying, like the two, I mean, I visually, I really really like big time. I mean, like, it's almost pathetic.

Like, are you holding one? Like, a really big hockey kind of, like, you can be able to be able to say. Right. So it's not to say it's just what you're into. I think a lot of, like, by guys, gay guys could relate. I mean.

It's not that for sex. I don't really want them, though, that way. But it's like in your hands or in your mouth. Is that what it is? Even mouth is kind of hard. I was going to say, yeah. I don't know if you can be your experiences, but it harder to give a little catch from a big.

Yeah. And it's certainly hard to. to fuck a guy with the big cock. So both of the guys I was with my teenage boyfriend and my later lover had, I would say smaller than average cock. Who, the Middle Eastern guy?

Yeah. Okay, right, right, the long term ones. But it was fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't really have any, like my prostate isn't pretty sensitive. So I don't really get a lot of sensations out of that. Mm-hmm.

I mean, it feels kind of nice, but it's not, so I'm getting that much sensation from that. You get more from your neck and kissing and your ears and all that stuff, right? You're kind of the weight of a guy on top of you. Yeah. Yeah. And that's awesome.

So, I mean, I think, you know, so I came this in a show how I came across it a while ago. You know, a lot of people talk about things like this, more or less like this. Yeah. I mean, like as you point out, you know, every person is very specific. It all sounds like it might be a certain category of people, but each case is very different. Yeah, yours is very different than anyone else that I heard, right? I'm not afraid the word, but I think it doesn't capture it.

I don't think so either. I wonder, you know, because people are into like labels and stuff. I wonder if there is a label. People will write into me just, you know. Like I wonder if like, and I don't think you need one, right? But I wonder if, because there's got to be other people that relate to this, right? I think too, yeah. And I wonder if they label it.

Because I think, like you said, like you're not interested in being a man with a man. And that's being bisexual. You're more, it's like a woman with a man. So I think it's more like, I don't know, like you, you wanting to be a woman is more, there's like a label there for that, right? Yeah. Right?

And then, but the sex thing, it doesn't really go because it's like, you do like heterosexual sex. You like sex between a man and a woman, but sometimes you like to be the woman. And that's where the label, I think, needs to go. You know, what do you call someone who, wants to be a woman sometimes. It's interesting that you've never wanted to dress up or anything.

For some reason, I don't know why. I do want to dress up. But did you ever when you were younger with that young guy? Actually, the first thing I ever remembered, like a strong sexual thing was, when I was like 12, I had some older female cousins who we were at some kind of of homily time. They dressed me up as a girl. And I was kind of a very pretty boy at the time.

And, you know, he was like ringlets. And they made a big fuss of it. And I felt really good to me. Yeah. I really, the first time I remember being really turned on. I like that and I remember that. But really quickly the guys, I was like a big band of gathering, kind of a party and they were quickly let me know that that was not cool.

Right. What do you are, sissy? Like, what do you really? Always you let them do that to you. So I felt really bad about it. So I knew I would not have to say anything about that again. But actually, you remember, when I can't remember if it was a second cousin or somebody, actually, I remember this now. I didn't make sense of it.

But he said to me later when he got me, it was only like, you know, you should be careful with him. The fact that people might not do certain things to you. The cousin said this. At the same time, I thought it was a warning, but clearly I think that was, he would tell at me he would have to those things to me, you know. Yeah, I was going to say, he was like dropping a hint. He was trying to go down that path with you, right? Because he saw that maybe you were into it or smelled something that you guys had in common, right? And I think that kind of undercurrent stuff goes on, right?

Yeah, definitely. And so, but later on, like, for some reason, when I'm a guy, I've really been awfully for athletic and I just have a very muscular body. I mean, my friends get jealous because I don't do much than I have, like, really muscles. So I wanted to dress up. And at once, I think I had college in the highway, I did do it again. But it was kind of like a clearly a drag queen kind of thing. Yeah.

Like a joke thing. Yeah, yeah. I had these big, huge muscles. kind of a skirt or something. So then I'll walk through the woman's, you know, the clothing part of a woman's thing. I really wish I could do it. I really wish I could look like your woman,

but it's just not going to work. Right, with your body type and everything. No. So, I mean, I see guys who do it on that, but that's not going to work for me. So, you know, I'm in a kind of position right now. I think it's kind of over. I just don't see how this could.

Right, because you're not going to cheat on your wife, right? You're not going to, You don't feel right about that, right? And most... I think her sex has been so bad for someone I might, actually. If I found a guy, the right guy now. But remember you felt so bad with that guy? Was it more that you felt bad because you were in his bed and everything?

I think it was that too. I think also it was just being in my relationship with her and things are still okay. Yeah. The sex has gotten so bad now that I just... I don't think that justified as the right word, but I just feel like could I say if the opportunity came up

it would be hard I just say it would be hard to say no yeah no I think that that happens sometimes with cheating like and that's why I like to talk to people

who cheat because sometimes it's not always like that scumbag guy that's like can't keep it you know can't keep it with one girl

you know sometimes it happens where it's like a very monogamous guy and I've heard the story many times that's been with the same woman forever really loves that woman

and for some reason You know, sometimes it's different reasons. It could be that she went into menopause. I had one guy whose wife got ill and, you know, and then they're not getting sex, not getting sex, not getting sex. And that really super monogamous guy, you know, 15 years later winds up having an affair just strictly because he has these sexual needs, right, that are not being fulfilled. But it doesn't mean he wants to leave his, you know, and what do you do? What is the right thing to do in a situation like that? I would think maybe somebody would say like, oh, you know, you and her have to work on your

sex life together, right, to get it back if you don't, you know, but sometimes that's not possible. Sometimes women go into menopause and they're just not interested anymore. What are you supposed to do? Yeah, she just not. Anyway, I feel like I passed to her and then it's just, it's not a turn on. If someone. Of course not. How old's your wife?

She's, hey, 46. And now when you say you're, sex life with her is really bad. What does that mean? Is it, is it that you're just not doing it anymore? It would be if I didn't have her, probably wouldn't be more than once every two or three months. Right. And when we do do it, she kind of, she's never really good enough. She's kind of like, she's just not very active participant. Right. So it's okay. And it's just, I don't even have like trouble kind of getting it up for her or anything more because I just know the sex is going to be like it's kind of very perfunctory. And also I think like, you know, listen, men are no different

than women. Like I don't think women would like it or get turned on. You know, women need a lot of foreplay and to know that there's like the man is really into her. Like I don't think as a woman, she would want to be or she would be turned on by you if she had to like beg you for sex, right? And I think that sometimes women don't understand that if you flipped it, that's, you know, how would they feel, right? But they do that all the time to their guys, right? And it's common. And I'm not, but I don't think that they really think it through that it's not attractive, right? It doesn't get you turned So you start to lose the attraction. But it's hard.

Yeah, it's like I, it's almost like she's not very sexual. It's very hard for me to get my head around that because I'm very, always out of it. Yeah. Because I'll try to like, so I'm trying to figure out. Okay, maybe it's just me. We're going to be together a long time and whatever. Like, so I try to think what turns around. I can never, still seem like anything does.

And it's only getting worse. Unless she's really good to keep secrets, you know. And she gets something like, I don't see it. And it's funny because she has this beauty, dude, full friend, you know, they're a very close friend who comes to stage with us a lot. And she seems to be the next same way. She's never mentioned a guy. They're never mentioned a lover or anything.

Maybe they're secretly by with each other. That would be so awesome. That would be so awesome. See, I fantasize about it. They knew what was winning from her mind sometimes. Right, right. Because I was just really so comfortable that she kind of like, we'll walk around the house and very skimpy stuff.

I'm like, do you really not appreciate it with that? I could choose to go. I don't know. Right, right, right. You mean the woman's walking around and there you are, like, sexless in a sexless marriage. Exactly. Pent up. They make it all the time.

It's like, they just never talk about being hotter. And if she's single, but they just. They might talk about it when you're not around, though. Women talk about sex. I wonder. They do. But at that age, you know, what you start to hear women talking about, like, oh, God, like, I had to have sat.

Like, I'm just not into it. You know, it's like more conversational. Unfortunately like that because sometimes like hormones are in play and that's like a hardcore thing that goes down for women. I don't know if she's in that phase now or it's a or it can also be and I think there's a lot of thing coupled in that it's like you know she's been with you as long as you've been with her right? So it's a really long time to be with the same person. Oh, absolutely. I don't know how you keep sex good unless you start to do these other things or role play or get make it keep it really interesting. You know, or else how does it, how is missionary vanilla sex going to stay good with the same person for 15 years? I don't think it's possible. And that's like the big problem. I think that happens in a lot of marriages, right? And it's a lot of the times the reason why men cheat and sometimes women cheat for the same reason, you know?

And it's like, like I said, that's the reason why I like to have stories on here where I'm talking to someone who quote unquote, cheated, right? But I show that, you know, this person isn't a terrible person, right? It's like, because I think that people just think, oh, they cheated. He's an asshole, right? Divorce him. Like, whatever. But it's not the case when you hear the whole story, right? Here you are. There's a long history to these anything, yeah. And there's. There are some guys. I know who are just kind of scummy cheaters and just never. Yes, that's what I, yes. And I've had them on. I've had those on. But there's some times that I'm just showing. the other side of it like do like what else do you expect this person to do and I'm not like listen

if I was the woman in that situation I'd be devastated too I understand but when I'm talking to the man and showing his story it's or the woman and it's the same kind of story it's just like you know this is first of all it's a warning to couples out there like say you're the person like say you know people listening to this or more like your wife right maybe this is how your guy is feeling if you're just like not into him anymore you know and it's hard to say what the solution is. I think it starts with your wife trying to stay connected to her sexuality and what she likes. It would probably be so helpful for her to open herself up to like different things at this

point, right? Because it's probably the same old thing for her isn't good either. You know? No, I would love, gosh, she was in a fine. In a way, you know, I wouldn't mind it. It was, you know, we're a woman or anything that it would be. you know, that would, like, reaching her interest in sex. Have you ever talked to her about a woman?

Like, oh, are you into women at all? Definitely, I guess her if she's a fan. Yeah, yeah, because that's easy, that's an easy combo. She's a beautiful woman. She's a beautiful way she never would actually. Have you guys ever watched porn together? I got her to watch it once you twice and she didn't like that. Maybe try that again because then you could maybe feel her out with like different scenarios, right?

Like, it's hard. I know it's hard with. that kind of woman because she's so closed off to things and if she's so far like sort of you know they kind of say if you don't use it you lose it and that happens a lot that's a reason why I think some women go through menopause and really lose it totally and some stay connected because I think that they were still doing it a lot during it right because you know and it's just like so she's so far gone you know you have to figure out a way or she should be trying to but I think you know maybe she's probably not. Try and figure a way for her to like reattach yourself.

Probably bothers more than us as a lack of effort. Yeah. Yeah. If you don't have to take that you don't have advice, I think she just doesn't show any of her as an effort. Right. So, you know, it's, it's in the other standpoint of all that. Right. This is like such a common problem. And it's interesting because here we are talking about all this other stuff. That's so not common, right? But you also have this common problem going on as well, right? But the guy thing, I think I'm probably going to be. I could just like use porn to get off as a guy. Yeah.

Go back to what I live with that. I mean, I really am more depressed about the fact that I really can't live out of this female rule anymore. Because it's the chance of my finding a guy who would go along with anymore. What about like, have you ever done any kind of like webcaming or stuff like that or email exchanges with a guy and kept it sort of virtual? No. Maybe that's something I can explore. work. That would be like maybe not really cheating. Yeah, I helped a guy on my show recently. I forget which episode he was, but he like started this thing where he's like, could I give my email and

then people, and I was like, oh yeah, that's like a good solution because he didn't feel bad about doing that, but he didn't really want to go out and sort of be with men behind his wife's back because that would be too, you know, he just didn't feel right about it. He wanted to stop it, right? So I was like, okay, I'm going to help you. We did a shout out and he got tons of emails, right? So, And I think it, you know, for now it's working, right? So maybe, you know, you trying to reach out to guys online, start there. If you feel like, you know, it's just never going to happen with your wife and you don't necessarily want to cheat. And maybe you wouldn't feel maybe that would be okay.

I don't know. I like I always say on my show like everyone like has their own morals and ethics, right? It's just like I can't tell you what it. is right and what is wrong. I know what's right and wrong for me. You know what's right and wrong for you because you have cheated and you didn't feel right about it, right? But maybe if you do this, you would feel different.

And I get the whole thing where like your morals could kind of change because like you said, like, you know, it's been so long and it's so bad, you're getting to the point where you might, you know, change the rules, right? Right. on the other hand is this you know given my adult life is there's not no much time to go around

yeah so it'd be pretty I'm pretty I mean I don't expect it to happen anything like that way you know what right wait no no what don't you sometimes you mumble

you're like my caller doctor guy you got a mumbling thing going on he's a friend of mine he's a fucking mumbler you're a mumbler a little bit what did you just say I think it I just think it's not going to happen Well, maybe you can. I mean, have you gone looking ever for guys online?

Are there any forums for people like you? No, not really. I mean, maybe. There has to be. I think there's kind of more of like cross dresser or tranny, like that kind of thing. Like guys are into that. Even straight guys is it's amazing. But you know what you can?

I have some trendy friends actually, believe or not or not. Strike guys are really good to that. Totally. I think that tranny porn is very popular. they can carry the lookout better than that kid. Right, but if you're doing something virtual, right? I mean, you don't, it could be like a fantasy that you play up because you do, the only reason why you're not dressing up is because it doesn't look right, you know,

because you're too muscular, you're too manly, right? But you have that desire. You could maybe go into that desire, right? You know, virtually, like, and it could be like a fan. The dressing up park and be a fantasy, but if you're just emailing someone or just maybe talking to them, you can just make shit up, right?

It's just like if you find another person that has a good imagination, like that could totally go down. It's not like you're not into the dressing, right? You are. You've never been able to go down that path. It was a real hot turn on to you when you did it once,

but you've never been able to go down that path physically because it doesn't work. But I feel like you could go, if you have the capacity and you're able to switch into a woman to the point where you are literally feeling things differently, right? That's like a powerful thing to be able to do. You can, you know, switch into somebody. You could like go into the place where you're fantasizing about getting dressed and making that up and a scenario without actually doing it.

That's what I believe for sure. You can. And it might be like a really hot thing for you. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so maybe we'll email like this. Yeah, yeah. Think about this.

So I could give a shout out to your email, right? Okay. Deal. All right, so let me know. Keep me posted. Thanks so much for calling in. This was like a very fascinating topic. I feel like I have a million questions that I didn't get to answer because you just told

your whole story, which I love because it's like very easy for me to just sit back and listen and hear all these stories, you know, but it was great. Thanks so much for calling him being so honest with everything. I think that's all good to talk about. All right, awesome. Okay. Good luck with everything. Bye.

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