Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 320 - Married Zach is Secretly Dating Like Crazy on Tinder

Episode Date: January 27, 2020

Zach calls in to talk all about how he's married but he's cheating on his wife with tons of girls he meets on Tinder. How does he get girls on Tinder? How long does he "date" them? Does he tell them he's married? Tune in to find out plus hear all about when he started cheating on his wife, who he started cheating on her with, how she found out he's totally into tranny porn, how she reacted, and a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So I'm having a guy named Zavent Zach is kind of funny to me. He's a young guy. He's married. He got married really early. And he loves being married and he loves his wife, but he also loves being single. And though those things don't normally go together, they go together in his life because he's living a total secret life on fucking Tinder.

I mean, you cannot believe what he does on Tinder and how he manages his whole Tinder her life. There is a part of him that doesn't feel good about what he's doing and he does want to stop because it's like a lot of fucking work to live a double life, right? But I don't even know how to help him because he kind of wants his cake and eat it too. And that's like, how do you give someone advice on how to do that? I don't know. I actually put a call out to my listeners. Like, can somebody help me with this one? Like, does anyone have advice for him? So when you're listening, you know, send me an email. If you listen to his whole story and figure out what you think he should do because he is looking for advice. I didn't know exactly what to tell him to do. You'll hear

why. So at the end of it, if like I said, you have some advice for him that you want to share, send me an email. It's strictly anonymous podcast at Jumel.com and I'll send it to him. But anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Zach. So you wrote in and told me, I mean, the subject line of your email was like your Tinder crazy with Younger. women, so I'm assuming that you use Tinder and you hook up with young chicks, but in your email you also told me, I mean, you're a married guy, right? And that you actually cheated on your wife with a prostitute. And then you cheated on your wife with a tranny prostitute. And now you continue to cheat on his wife, your wife, right? And I'm assuming that you're cheating on her now on Tinder with

younger girls. Is that how the story goes? Yeah, pretty much like cut and dry. I started off on Tinder and, oh, I didn't start off on Tinder. I started off with prostitutes and eventually I was like, you know, I don't want to have to pay for it anymore. Yeah. It's getting kind of expensive and a little bit harder to hide. And plus it was back before, that was back before Tinder ever even really got started. And once I kind of discovered Tinder, I just didn't stop. Yeah, but let me tell, let me ask you this. I'm not on Tinder, but I'm assuming it's like every other dating app. Like, is. Isn't your face right there? It is. And that's kind of the risky part about it. Very risky.

Yeah. And I've had some close calls, man. I won't lie. I've had some close calls where I thought these girls would actually tell my wife. They actually figured out that I was married or I told one that I was married, just, you know, just trying to be honest with her. And she's like, you know, I should tell your wife about this. I should look her up and find your wife and tell her. Oh, my God. Yeah, your best thing was fire. Luckily, that never happened. Not yet. Not yet. Right. And like it doesn't. Knock on wood. Yeah. And not only that. Like my fear for you without even knowing any of your story is that like isn't Tinder taking into account like who's in your close radius like right? It's like zooming. It's like it has a GPS in there. Right. So it's like sort of taking into account who lives by you. Is that that app or no? Is that a different app?

It does. I kind of, I guess I would say kind of beat that system because I paid for it. And when you pay for it, you can make your location somewhere different. Oh, okay. Good. So I make my location about 50 to 100 miles away from where I'm actually at. Oh, okay. Cool.

So it's not like, yeah, I was thinking like, how the fuck is no one swiping and like, who the hell? That's my friend's husband. You know what I mean? Right. Right. So you put your local. So if you pay for Tinder, you could put your location.

anywhere and you do it like 50 to 100 miles away. So you're traveling to see these girls that you're banging. Yes. Or meeting them or on, I think one or two occasions they've actually traveled here to where I'm at. But yeah, usually I'll travel a little bit, you know, an hour or so away from where I'm living to bang these girls. Oh my God. Now, you sound like kind of young to me. How long? Like give me some backstory on you and your wife. How old are you and how long you guys been married for her together? I'm at, we're both actually pretty young. I'm 27.

She's 26. And we pretty much got married right after she graduated high school. Oh my goodness. Yeah. So I was 20 and she was 19 when we got married. Why did you get married so young? Really, I think, I mean, that's really, as she's always been my best friend for a long time. And, um, I'm in the military.

so just wanting to be around her, wanted to take her with me, and just kind of being young and naive, you know, so we went and got married. So it wasn't like there was a kid involved or there wasn't like a religion involved. It's like really you guys felt like we're in love

and we want to spend the rest of our lives together. Right, yeah. We have kids now. We didn't have kids. Then, right. At that point, right. How many kids do you have now? We have three now.

Holy shit. Yeah. Yeah, we got to work. pretty early. It's weird that like, listen, I'm like very out of the box and I'm way older than you and I like never lived the life that you're living like back of my day though. It was my, it was very normal to be your age and have three kids. I mean, it was, you know, it's like that's what everybody did, right? It's weird that nowadays it seems a little bit different because like none of. None of your friends are like that. Yeah. Yeah, I have friends that make like a lot of my friends have no kids. So most of the guys I hang out. out with have no kids. Right. But some of them might have one, you know, but no, nobody else really has three kids the way I do at this age. Right. So my older friends do, but, you know, so I'm kind of the the dad in my group, the real dad with having three kids. Yeah, that's what's so crazy. Yeah, because it's, yeah, because it's like it's not so common anymore that you hear. And that's why I'm like,

holy shit. But it's like, it's not like that wasn't the normal thing like 15 years ago. 20 years, you know, that's what like everybody did, you know? Right, right, right. You guys are like old school. Right. But this is the reason why it could be a problem because like you're still in your 20s and probably, you know, want a little or a lot of variety in your life, right? And I'm like, I think you said it in your email.

It's not like you're cheating on your girl because you guys have problems or anything, right? No, not at all. Like I said, she's really my best friend. and like we don't really have we I mean we argue from time to time we don't have like real marital issues where like I don't like her I don't want to be around her it's just sexually I guess I just seek more I seek more variety yeah that's the problem with getting married so young right right because you haven't sort of experienced anything right and so so there and that's why like you have to sort of have conversations with people that are quote unquote cheaters because like say like you know like these girls that you've hooked up with are like you're married like your fucking asshole like how could you be doing this right but like you have to like take into account the whole story it's right it's not like every cheater is like a douchebag that hates his wife or i mean it's all different i'm not saying that

what you're doing isn't wrong right yeah exactly i mean that's pretty much the way i feel about is like i know that what i'm doing is not cool yeah you know obviously i would never go home and tell her, you know, willingly, like, hey, yeah, this is what I'm doing because I know it's not cool. But part of me is just like, you know, I guess I rationalizing my own head. Like, well, I'm only doing it to fulfill something that I'm personally looking for. It has nothing to do with her kind of her. Right. Or your relationship with her or your feelings for her.

Like one does not take away from the other. And that's what I think is very hard for women to understand. And I'm a woman. And it would be hard for me to understand. You know what I mean? Like I totally, and that's the biggest problem between men and women. There's a lot of other reasons why people cheat and a lot of other fucked up stories out there, right? Oh, I'm sure.

Right. But it comes in, there's all different reasons for it and all different types, right? And but your type is like it's a, it's a, it's like it falls into like a very great area because like, you know, a lot of women listening to this or like, how could you love your wife if you're cheating on her, right? But a lot of guys listening to this would be like, I totally get that because I've been in love and but still wanted extra pussy on the side, but it didn't mean anything. Do you know what I mean? Right. And that's a big problem between men and women because women don't understand that because it's very different for them. You know, like I said, there's other kinds of cheating where it's for other reasons and stuff.

But in your scenario, and I've had other men like you on the show, I have guy friends like you. you in my life. Absolutely. I know this story, you know. It's interesting because it is like you're probably not a douchebag, right? She is your best friend. I like to think I'm not, you know. Right.

And you love your wife, but you're fucking cheating on her. Your subject line was Tinder crazy for younger women. I mean, that's not really that great for married guy. No, it's not. Especially, like you said, with the ad like Tinder, where it's kind of so exposed. And, you know, just kind of risky. And let's talk about, like, the fact of your best friend ever found out the devastation. How bad would you feel to see, like, the woman that you care so much about, like, being hurt so bad by you, by what you did?

I mean, yeah, I would feel terrible. Yeah, that's why you got to be. You might broaden your horizon to, like, 600 miles and just Skype with these girls. I don't know, because you, like, you have come close to really being busted. with when you tell these girls you get one crazy girl you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly.

Crazier than the ones that wanted to call up your fucking wife and tell her and they tell you, and then you're screwed. Yeah, I will be, and you know, it would really hurt me to just devastate her that way. That's what I mean,

because you really care about her and like if you guys have been, you know, you grew up together, right? Like you've been with her for a long time. You have kids. Everything is good in your relationship. I think you're the type of person where like if you really saw her upset, knowing that it's something that you did and that that's your fault. It would be hard for you.

And, you know, what can you can't get away. You wouldn't be able to get away from that because it is your fault. But let's forget about that for right now and get back to the story of you cheating. Like, when, had you ever cheated on her before or did it start like when you were married after a while? The only time I actually, before, like, I really started cheating with the prostitute, the first prostitute, the only time was, like, back at high school when we were just dating. Right. Okay. And we hadn't even been dating long at the time, and I slept with another girl. And she knew, she kind of found out about it.

And we moved past that a long time ago. It was, you know, nothing serious at that time. Right, because it was early in a relationship. Right, right. you know, so time went on and like I said, I joined the military and just our sexually, we have never really seen eye to eye because I'm, I'm a huge freak. Like, I love everything. Sexually, I love everything under the sun and she's kind of more reserved, like very reserved. She doesn't like even like me watching porn or anything like that. And so we never really saw the eye. And eventually I just started.

one more and I had an opportunity. I went out of town for training and one weekend I just decided hey I'm going to get a hotel room and find an escort and this is back when uh back page was kind of a thing before I got shut down so I went on back page and found an escort for the night and it was kind of no no looking back. How was it? It was fun. It was a it was something really new to me. the thrill of, I guess, cheating for the first time. Also had something to do with that. But, you know, the girl was smoking hot. How much?

You know, I think it was, I want to say, a 150 or 200. And you use condoms? And then I tip, yeah, I used a condom. I was safe and everything. I made sure I took time to find, like, kind of a rep, I don't want to say reputable, but find a nicer escort. I didn't just pick the first anything that I found for like 50 bucks. You know, I just try to find a nice one

A nicer one on On that website Yeah, you probably shouldn't bargain shop when it comes to hunters Right But yeah, she came over And I think, I want to say it was an hour Yeah I think she was there for about an hour

And, you know, we had a good time She gave me head And I mean, the whole nine It was just a fun time And then you started to see more hookers Like how does it go from that to the tranny hooker? well it was actually the next weekend or yeah i think the next weekend or maybe two weekends later i was still there and uh i've always loved uh trainee porn and uh so i just thought like you know when i got on

i said i'm going to get a hotel room i'm going to do it again and i'm scrolling through back page and lo and behold there's a training hooker and i'm like you know i've always looked porn so why not give it a shot and uh so you know i called a or i text i think i text her this uh tranny and she shows up an hour about an hour or two later but it was not the experience that i thought it would be why what happens um i just really wasn't into it it was when she showed up i opened the door and you know at first glance is like oh this is a hot girl yeah you know i know it's a tranny. But, you know, as she gets closer and starts moving clothes, I'm like, oh, well, like,

her shoulders are kind of broad. I'm like, looking at. And as, you know, I'm not really getting hard. And I'm like, well, I'm not sure what it is. And she's like, okay, well, let me blow you. And she starts blowing me and trying to get me up. And I'm, like, touching her and her body's, like, kind of hard. Even though she, like, looks soft and curvy, but, you know, it's like, I just kept really seeing a dude and I just, I wasn't into it.

Yeah. So I actually end up just, I told her I go ahead and pay. I paid her for everything. Well, I had paid up front. And I told her, you know, you can keep the money. I even tipped. And I say, you know, I'm sorry. It just wasn't for me.

Right. And, you know, she left. And I think maybe a hour after that, I was back on back page trying to find another one. Oh, no way. A woman though for the night I guess the train just wasn't my thing Yeah it was more like I guess the fantasy Maybe like tranny porn is better for me than actually being with one

Yeah I think that that could happen with a lot of fantasies right like you know it's like you actually try it and then you realize like oh that was better as like just a fantasy and not yeah exactly Definitely heard that before right So you never Did it with a tranny again? That was one and done? Yeah, one and done for me. I still watch the porn to this day, but I don't think I'll ever be with the tranny again. Well, at least you tried it.

I mean, I'm sure your wife wouldn't say that if she heard this podcast. But I mean, like, you know. No. Yeah, my wife, she actually found like tranny porn on my phone before. That was, that was a big deal. She must have freaked out. She did. Because it was a, I had Tumblr.

and I guess she just was looking through my phone one day and went on my Tumblr account and she saw all these videos that I had liked and there was, oh my gosh, so much stuff, like so many different fetish fetishes. Right, right, right. Like you say you get into all kinds of stuff. Right, and one of them was, you know,

trannies and she mails and she was like, you know, what is this? Yeah, and what did you say? I just told her, you know, like, it's just porn. It's just something I like to look at. Yeah. And, you know, obviously she didn't really understand that. She kind of was like, well, do you want to be with the man? Do you want to be with the tranny? And I was like, you know, I told her no. You know, I was like, it's just, it's just porn to me. And, you know, obviously she didn't really understand that. She probably still doesn't. But, you know, I guess it kind of got swept under the rug after that, after a while. Yeah. How long ago was that? Maybe two years now.

Right. Okay. So now do you know. Maybe about two years. You better watch out because, like, I would think, and I don't know, maybe she's just too busy with her three kids or something, or she's just not wired like I am. But, like, you know, if I, like, she found that on your phone. So you just wonder if, like, in the past two years, she's ever, like, tried to hit up your phone again and look for more shit. You know what I mean? I don't know. That I, do you keep your stuff safe? Okay.

Yeah, I'm pretty good about deleting everything after that happened. Okay. My browser history. I delete. I don't have like... How do you do Tinder? I don't keep it on my phone. I delete the app when I'm not using it.

Okay. So literally I'll download it, use it. If I'm talking to a girl, I'll talk to her. Right. And either try to get her to text or use a like Snapchat or something like that because the messages will... Just disappear. Right. Yeah.

So, and then once I'm done for that session or for that time, I'll just delete that. completely. Oh, okay. So it's never on your phone. You never forget. Right. Okay. So now after that Channy Hooker, did you get a hooker that night? Yeah, I got another one that night. Oh, I got a hilarious. Probably not even an hour later. Right. Yeah. It's just, you know, it's just something about just the freedom, the opportunity to do it. So I was like, I'm not going to waste it. I had the hotel room. I had already paid for it for the night. Right. You were ready for some action. Right. So yeah, I ended up getting a girl to come over that night. And I think those were the only two times I actually was, or no, I probably used training.

Not training, escorts probably three or four more times while I was gone. And then once when I came back home, and that's when I was kind of like, well, you know, it's getting expensive. And it's kind of, it's easier, you know, because all I do is pay. show up and then they leave but I was just not wanting to pay anymore and I kind of like the thrill of I feel like the challenge of like actually talking to real women and getting them to like you and stuff right exactly it's it's a little bit this is where this is where it's another level I know this is yeah but this is where you're you're fucking looking worse okay because that is another level of cheating okay right right right you should have cut me

off early on when I was like, oh, you're just looking for variety. You should have been like, no, I'm also looking to get my ego fed and get girls to like me. Because that's worse. That's worse. I mean, I don't think it's understandable. So much my ego. I just. But it also comes with a young thing.

It also comes with like not having been able to sort of be out there and conquer so many women and get a lot of girls to like you. and I do think it's a part of your ego, like, you know, like feeding that. And that's like a normal part of life, you know? Right. And I think what happens when you get married super young, you know, it's like if you can't have those experiences, you might long for them. You know what I mean?

And if you get a little taste of it, you might want more and more. You know, most people have all those kinds of experiences in their 20s. That's what it's about, right? Like all that kind of stuff. But what happens is if you're part of it. partnered up with somebody and you can't, you just never have that. And, you know, right. It's a lot of people love that.

And like you said, I do, I do think it's like a type of thing where, you know, I had a taste and then I wanted more and then I wanted more. I wanted more. And just being around, like some of my friends are divorced and they were married like me and that or not. And they're not in there just out on the town just, you know, getting pussy just all the time. and I kind of see that sometimes I'm like, you know, one, I never got to do that because I got married so young. Yeah.

But also, now it's just like, I still like want that variety and want that kind of freedom. Independent, yeah, freedom to just be able to just go do it. And like I said, it still doesn't mean anything. I'm not like, I don't have a side girlfriend where, you know, there's somebody across town that I'm actually like spending time with and taking on dates or anything like that.

Right. You're having an affair. Like she meets, this is the problem here. It's like you, it's like you have your cake and eat it too. Like you have this part of you that really likes your married life and your family and your girl. But you also like that single life, right? And you're like living them both.

And that's like, that's a dilemma. You know, that's like a weird place to be. You know what I mean? Because it's kind of like, you know, you're living a double life because You know, you have all the stuff going on. Yeah, it's not an affair because you're not really looking to, you're sort of, you're satisfied with her and what you have there, right?

But it's what she can't give you, which is the single life and the freedom and the independence and the, the chase and the conquer and all that kind of stuff that you're getting aside. And that's what it's about. And that's tough because how do you resolve that? You know what I mean? You're just going to do it until you hopefully like work it out of your system and never. get caught, right?

Honestly, my, I guess I could say my goal or something I really want to do is I want to talk to her about like having like an open relationship. Yeah. But I'm, I'll be honest, I'm really terrified to even bring it up. Yeah, I would be terrified too because she doesn't even like fucking porn. Right. I feel like it's going to go bad from there. And like I don't think that after having that conversation, she'll just be like, you know, no.

and then move on from it. I feel like she'll take it personally. Of course. You know, it'll be, I don't think it'll go well. So I don't know how that conversation will ever come up. But, I mean, I feel like that would be kind of like a win-win for me. I guess maybe not for her. But it would certainly take away the cheating and sneaking around aspect of everything.

Yeah, I wish more people. I wish that, like, and I think that it is changing. I think that there's a lot more young people. that are living like that than aren't nowadays, you know, and I think that that's really great. But I think I've always felt, you know, since I was younger, like, I wish that like that kind of situation was what is the norm and that everyone just accepted it, especially women, because women get the bad end of the stick or whatever that fucking thing is, you know, in these kinds of scenarios because the woman is the person being cheated on.

It would be, like you say, it would be better for me than for her. But to me, it should be, it would be better for her because she's the one that's like being so betrayed and deceived. You know, and that's really, yeah, that's really hard on women, you know. Right. Being in that position is a terrible position for women to be in that I wish that we didn't fucking care. Do you know what I'm saying? And we just believe that this is normal and the way that it is, you know? because a lot of families get broken up because of it.

And the truth is that it's not, it's a hard life to live and do being totally monogamous for your whole life. I don't know if you've heard me talking about marriage math. Please marriage math. Do the math. If you die when you're 80, you got married at how old? 20.

Yeah, that means 60 years of one vagina. Come on. That's the most ridiculous thing in the world. Exactly. That's what people think. She could, she would think like that. You know, people don't normally think like that. Even a lot of guys don't think that way.

Listen, it's very easy for me to say when you're not my fucking guy. You know what I mean? It's very easy for me in my mind to think it intellectually. But I've been in relationships that have people cheated. I mean, it was devastating. I'm no different than any other girl, you know, because what happens is we are born into. a society where it's told to it's not the way it's supposed to be we are told that men should be monogamous and like you know so it's almost like we can't get it's like ingrained in us you know and I

think it's becoming less that way and that's a really good thing um but you know I feel bad for women and feel like you know it would be great if open relationships were the norm more not so guys could get fucking off. I'm not a guy. I'm like a girl. Just so that we don't have to fucking care and that we could be okay with it and there wouldn't be that feeling of devastation and betrayal and then we wouldn't have to care. You know. Yeah, absolutely. So, but it is a, it's a tough thing because you would love to like right now you're having to get to have what you want. You have to cheat on her and live a lie and have all this other stuff going on. If you told I think it would be very hard.

I don't, you know, I don't, you'd have to like, I don't, I don't, I don't think I'll ever tell her. I don't, not tell her, but I mean, you said bring up the fact that you want an open relationship. Oh, right, right, right. You know, I just hope that she doesn't find out about the cheating and that's how the conversation comes up. It's, it's hard to think like, okay, because she doesn't even like you to see, look, look at, porn, right? And she's very... She doesn't know. Right. So she feels that she actually has said it. She says, like, looking at porn is just like cheating, you know, to her. Right. Right. So you're fucking other girls and having an open relationship? No, it's not going to happen. Not with her. Not at all.

No. Not at all. Let me ask you this. Do you feel like you could work it out of your system? Yeah, 10 years. I don't know. Because like, like, I'm, I am pretty young. So maybe as I get older, maybe that won't be, you know, I won't need to. Maybe I won't even feel that the same way. As for right, speaking from right now, I don't think so. It's something I really like, you know, but. Listen, I've seen, I've been, because I'm way older than you, I've seen guys that were

when they were younger in their 20s and they were total players and they had, they were conquerors and they had a lot of women, you know, and I've seen those same guys way later in their 40s and it's a very different kind of person, you know, not they're totally calmed down and completely different. But they, you do change and you do sometimes when it is because like you're just having these experiences and getting all these girls and having all this stuff that you have never done before. Like eventually after over time, you won't need it or want it as much, right?

It's just like you're doing it now because it's new because it's like that's what everyone does. but eventually it gets all not old completely you know but it would it it'll start to get it won't be such a thing yeah exactly but right now you're tinder crazy so like how why do you like what do you explain to these girls like do these girls like think that you're available are you straight up with them like I'm just looking for a hookup it all depends so uh I try to find girls I literally ones that that are attractive for ones that actually post on their account like, you know, I'm DTF or down to fuck.

Yeah, down to fuck or looking for friends with benefits or looking for something casual. Yeah. Because then it's more likely that they'll be cool with just like kind of no strings attached. Like let's just hook up or, you know, we'll meet just to make sure we're okay with each other. And then it'll just only be about hooking up. We don't really want anything more. And then I don't really have to explain very much. But occasionally I find one and I'm like, well, you know, she's really hot.

And I'm going to have to either at that point I kind of have to make a decision, am I going to try to be straight up with her or am I just going to like lie to her as well? And, you know, just tell her I'm single. And, you know, it's just to get her case by case. Yeah. So you just become whoever you need to become. to get the hot girl. Like that's what it's about, right?

Exactly. Oh, my God, you're such a typical guy. Oh, my God. And I mean, it's so interesting because, like you said, I kind of morph into whatever I need to be at that time. Yeah. I kind of have to like move myself, move around the situation and make sure I'm saying the right things to to each different girl. It's always a different situation.

And I have to kind of figure out what is the right approach to each one to, you know, score in the end. Yeah, you must like that. It's part of that. Yeah. I do kind of like that. Yeah. Yeah, because when you get the score girl and score, it's like you win, right? It's like a-

Right. And it's like the complete contrast of being with a prostitute where it's just like, okay, I called, you know, yeah, transactional. I call, you're coming, I pay. then we did it and you left. And with this is like, okay, I have to kind of be clever or I have to think and use my brain and then just to work it out to where I can actually get some action. Yeah, not only that, you're also getting like validation that this girl actually likes you. Like you're not getting that with a prostitute.

Right, exactly. Right. Not if you're smart. I mean, there's a lot of guys that are very delusional, not delusional, but they could really just live the fantasy because like what a prostitute right will do is like really let you make you believe that like strippers like that you they really like you and everything and plenty of guys are able to suspend reality for that time and just pretend that that's the way the situation is and it's over right whereas i think some people like you right actually want it in real life like

you really want to know that exactly i want to know that yeah i was that she had actually chose to be there. Right. That you didn't pay for her. So how many girls have you hooked up on Tinder with? I've lost count. Do you fuck them always? At least 15.

I always use condoms. I'm so terrified of like getting a STD or bring home SD to my wife. So I always use condoms. Well, let me ask you this. Are any of them repeat people? I'm assuming you repeat with them. A few of them were a few of them were a repeat. And I actually wanted to one, so I told you was like, you know, I should tell your wife was a repeat who I had seen her like three times.

And I usually turned off my phone. And I didn't turn off my phone this one time. And I got a text from my wife. And it said something like, can you bring something home or something like that? Or I don't remember exactly what it was, but it said home. And she's like, who is this? You know, she saw it. She's like, who was that?

And I came clean to her. And she was like, what the fuck? I should, like, wow, you know, you've been lying to me and her this whole time. I should totally, like, call her or go find her right now and tell her. Luckily, she didn't. She left. And, you know, it was what it was. But let me ask you this.

What did that girl? Like, how did that story play out? Like, you see a girl, she's really hot. Was she DTF? Or was she? a hot girl that was like looking for a relationship and you lied to her? I think hers was like, uh, she was more like just wanting something casual, like,

or not necessarily just DCF like right away, but she was like, I'm not looking for anything serious, just we'll see where it goes. And, um, I messaged her first and we talked and I got her number. We talked a few more times.

And, um, I was like, I asked her, are you like, you know, what are your, like, real intentions? Are you just, like, on here to, you know, are you DTF or, I don't remember my exact words, but are you, you know, do you want to, like, do you want to have sex and not really have anything else to do? Or are you just looking for, like, a friend of benefits? And she was like, you know, we'll, why don't we, like, go out and we'll see how that goes? and I said, well, I'm not really looking for anything that's serious. And she said, well, I like to just meet in person.

And we met at my gym. Your gym? Yeah, my gym. You're so fucking dumb. We actually, yeah, we met in the parking lot in my gym. Oh, okay, in the parking lot, not inside the gym. Yeah, because she'd have to have a membership where I go. And she didn't have a membership.

So I just told her, you know, hey, I'll be at this gym at this time. If you want to come by, we can talk, we can meet, you know, and we did. And she was like... In the car. Yeah, she pulled her car like right next to mine. We just stood outside of cars and talked for a while. And maybe about 20, 30 minutes. We talked.

And then, you know, we're like, okay, it's nice to put a face or, you know, meet you in person. And then we left and maybe a few more days went by in that weekend. That Saturday night, I think she was like, hey, do you want to come over? And that's, you know, that's pretty much what happened. Yeah, but let me ask you this because she doesn't know that you have a wife or anything and you're lying to her. And you guys hook up. How do, like, how do you leave? Because you can't stay over these people's houses.

Does she want you to stay over? Like, to things like that come up and cause a problem? No, I kind of just told her like, hey, you know, after we finished doing it, I was like, you know, I'm going to go ahead and leave. Maybe I probably stayed for another hour or so just like chilling watching TV. And then I was like, you know, it's getting kind of late. I'm going to go ahead and leave. to my room because I told her I lived in the barracks on post. But you're living at home, right?

Like, I mean, at this point, you're going back home. Right. But I, you know, she was really cool. She wasn't really pushy like, oh, you know, why don't you just stay here? Is it something else? No, you know, she was just like, okay, you know, well, you know, I'll call you tomorrow or something. And that was pretty much what it was.

And, you know, we would talk pretty often. Yeah, how does that work, though, if you're in with your wife? like this girl's texting you and busting up your phone do you put her in as like a guy's name or something like what happens if you're you know her text pops up while your wife is sitting next to you uh well so i had uh like i say we'd be on snapchat and uh i just turned off my notifications from snapchat so i would just have to check oh okay i'll actually go into the app and just check oh did oh she messaged me okay i messaged her back and it would just go on like that uh most of the time i would always try to i would always try to make you sure I wasn't around my wife, even if I was in the house. It just kind of worked out to where I didn't actually have to text or talk to her much while I was at home. Right. It would be mostly when I was out or at work, you know, during those type of hours. But like on a Saturday night, where does your wife think you are when you drive all the way over there?

Fucker, hang out, watch TV with her for a couple of hours. Like where are you that your wife thinks? Going out with the guys. You know, I'll just tell her like, I would actually try to plan it out just in case. And I'd be like, hey, it would be like Wednesday. And I'd be like, hey, I'm thinking about going out Saturday night with the guys. I don't know if we're going to actually do anything yet.

And I try to talk it up to like until Saturday. And like sometimes that day be like, yeah, I think we are going to go out tonight. You know, you're still cool with that. She's like, yeah, yeah, whatever. And then later that night, you know, sometimes I actually would go out and then maybe hook up with a girl later. but most of you know sometimes i just i would never meet up with the guys yeah i would just go straight over to meet this girl she's gonna find out i mean i hope not this is dangerous stuff it is it is because you're like she knows your guy friends maybe they have girlfriends that

know her like you're telling too many lies yeah and that's that's really the reason i don't want to i don't want to do it anymore that's kind of the only reason i don't want to do it anymore that's kind of the only reason I don't want to do anymore because it's it's hard having to make a lot yeah every time I have to make a new lie it's a new lie a new lie, new lie, you know, time after time and it's it's pretty frustrating to me actually that I always have to do that but you know it's it's kind of like a you know just a con to get in what I actually want right and it's not like you want to stop but you don't like the

lying I mean like you're in a weird position. Exactly yeah exactly so yeah i i don't know really where to go from there with that you know i don't right now i'll be honest i don't plan on stopping right now yeah i don't think you you are it's it's hard because like what do you tell like what what do you say to somebody like you you know like what is the right thing for you to do you know leave your family so you could go be single like what would like a real therapist tell you i don't know like i always say i'm not a real therapist like you know it's uh you know i think your cheating is really bad because it it's

it's not just a prostitute there is a lot of lying going on you know if she ever found out like it's like how many times did you look her in the face and say i'm going out my friends i'm doing that you know what i mean and if she found out that's all bullshit it's almost like she doesn't even know who you are and how could you be a best friend if you're doing that to her right so it would be It's like really bad. Right.

But you have and you have these two sides of you. One wants to be single and one wants to be married. And right now you are having your cake and eating it too. But how long could that last? Exactly. Because I mean, honestly, I don't think it can last very much longer because at some point I would make a like a real mistake. For sure. I'm sorry.

There's something about your, you're. you're cheating that's like you're sloppy there's right and it's because you're doing a lot of it because you're you're really into it because like you know and that kind of thing like you could tell me that you delete your app but one day you might forget do you understand there's gonna be yeah exactly there's too much and then you have these girls and you're telling them and you're lying to fucking them and then all you need is one girl to be revengeful you know Are you giving them your real name? No, I don't use my real name.

And like I was about to say, in the beginning when there was just like one, when I was just like find maybe one girl on Tinder if we matched or something like that, it was way easier. I didn't even feel a burden at that time because it was like, okay, I was able to just like not deal with it for so much time that it was not even really real. you know, unless I was with the, until I was actually with the girl. And then when there started being like multiple like two or three that I was kind of talking to at a time trying to make something happen, that's when, you know, that's when it started being like a real, you know, burden of extra, extra duty like throughout my day that I have to worry about. Right, but you probably on some level really like it too. Like I said I like the challenge of it And

But like you said I know I know the risk I'm taking And I you know I know it's It can't last forever I know that much Yeah because it's so It's like complicated you know Because you have these girls

And like you said sometimes it's like You don't stop yourself from going after the girls That are like Maybe wanting a relationship So then you add in like you're lying to them, right? And then if they get, then you're then you're also like I said lying to them. And then they could find out, right? You're probably way sloppier with them than you are with your wife.

So they do find out right. Like that one found out I'm going to fucking tell your wife. She never bothered to. But, you know, plus the lies that you're telling your wife, I'm going out with the guys. And then I'm not. And I still think 50 miles away. It's like you just never know someone's going to be like, who the fuck is that? Like I know him.

He's my cousin's husband. Yeah. exactly. I don't know what you mean? So, yeah, I mean, all I can say is I try to be as discreet as possible. Like I said, I don't use my real name and like with the pictures because I know like there's like, I think there's like apps or something where you can search someone's face and it'll show like wherever that faces or something like that.

I don't know. I haven't seen it. That's a little scary. Right. But, you know, yeah. So I try to, like, kind of be discreet with my pictures or make sure, like, maybe part of my face is covered or something like that. Oh, my God.

These poor girls, I feel sorry for your wife. I also feel sorry for these poor girls on Tinder. Yeah. You know, you're probably really nice to some of them, the ones that you know, and they're probably like, oh, they're so excited to call the girl. And I met like a great guy, Jim or Joe or Bob or whoever the fuck you are. You have a fake name. me everything about you is fake.

Right. Terrible. I mean, there have been, there have been, I think there was, I want to say too, that I told them, hey, I'm married and like, this is just something that I'm doing on the side. Like, I don't want anything serious, no strings attached. And they were like, cool, like, let's fuck right away. And it was nothing. Like, all right, I'll see you later when we were done.

And that was it. Yeah, you should keep it to that. That is the, that was, those were rare, though. like it's it's so rare because like a lot of girls get on Tinder because they're actually trying to find dates and you know they want someone who can actually be around them and you know kind of just go with the flow with them they don't want someone who just is just showing up to fuck of course you'd be much better on like Ashley Madison and if that even exists anymore you know the place where people are cheating like you know you'd be better off with another woman who's a cheater as well

and has a husband at home you know because right what happens with these single girls is most of them are looking for a relationship and even the ones that are down to fuck like that could get messy we've all heard those stories you know the girls like I just want to fuck you and then you fuck her five times and she's like why haven't you called you know what happens girls get a

could say that I don't want anything but they wind up liking you I'm assuming that you don't maybe it's getting worse now I don't know that you don't really get involved like how long is the longest you've ever seen one of these

girls? A few weeks. Right. After we actually, like, moved away from Tinder and we're, like, texting on Snapchat or something like that, maybe a few weeks. And how do they normally have? I'm on tops. Just, I'll either, a lot of times I have to leave and then I just kind of won't text them

and it won't be anything. But I'm so far away that I'll just, you know, it'll kind of get, I'll get busy. or it'll be hard for me to travel back and forth, especially with the fact that I'm actually married. So I can't just leave whenever I want. Yeah. And, you know, go an hour or two hours away. So it'll just kind of be like, you know, we fall out of touch, just like a normal friendship. How many girls have found out that you're married that you didn't tell?

Just that one? I think, yeah, only that one. And another one I told her, like, very early on in our talking. And I tried to just be honest with her. I said, hey, I'm married. I tried that approach. I'm actually married. And I'm, you know, I'm just seeking something kind of outside of marriage.

And she was like, what the fuck? She called me all the names in the book. And, like, luckily, she didn't really know who I actually was to even say, like, I'm going to tell your wife. But, you know, she was like, she was so pissed off with me. She was like, you're a fucking scumbay. I can't believe you would do something like that to your wife. and she thinks you're, you know, being an outstanding guy, you know,

she just takes me paragraphs and paragraphs and paragraphs, like just laying it on me, you know, so. That was the end of that. But wait, the one girl that said, I'm going to tell your wife, did she, she didn't know who you really were or did she? Well, she had seen me a person, but I used a fake name. Oh, God, do you use the same fake name with all the girls? So you make up a different one every girl?

Oh, my God. I usually use the same. I don't think, that would be too much to make up a different name every time. Right. So what is your fake name for girls? Tell me.

Martin. Martin? Martin? Yeah. So, you know, I... Do you sometimes forget to look when they call your name because you're like,

it's not even you? Like, I don't know. Like, how you, like, respond to Martin? I guess I kind of got used to. I don't hear much, but, yeah. I kind of got used to it. Right. You're like our Martin now.

Yeah, exactly. It's my, it's my Jekyll and Hyde. It's my other personality. Yeah, Martin, you're single Martin. Married Zach. That's a fake name for my show. So those are the two sides of you. Let me ask you this.

Do your friends now? A couple of them. My closest friends actually don't because, well, for one, my closest friend is married and his wife knows my wife so I I don't really trust it's not that I don't trust him but I know I shouldn't trust him just right I tell my wife just about everything but uh you tell why he probably I tell my wife just about everything right so you believe that he's going to do the same small stuff right and I don't trust his wife at all I know she would run with and tell my wife immediately but also but I also don't tell him because of

it's like I don't want to put that burden on him either, you know, because being so close to my family, he comes over my house all the time and everything. So he doesn't know either. My closest friend doesn't really know. But there are some guys that I hang out with it. I've actually told before and they kind of know what I do. But they're not like, they're not over at my house all the time. They don't really know exactly what's going on. They don't know my wife or anything like that. You know, that's one smart thing that you do. Like that is smart to keep it away from your closest friends, the ones who know your wife, you know, and stuff because you never know if, like, you know, that one guy says something, he could be drunk and tell his wife and then she's going

to tell, you know what I mean? You just don't know what happened there. So you better keep that on the DL for sure. Exactly. I'll never tell. I'll never tell anyone that close to me. How many girls do you have right now? Just one that I just actually got, or got done text number before I called.

but just really just is one i haven't matched with anybody like in the last week or two so you know that's a long time uh not it's not really a long time it's just you know to not even have matched with anybody oh matched i thought you said in that with somebody oh matched oh okay yeah matched like matched with someone new on tinder i haven't really matched with anybody in a probably week or a little bit over a week which is yeah that's not really common i'm only match with new girls every day. So that's not really common.

So I'm just kind of been talking to this one who, and she's actually one that I've, I slid with her before a few weeks back or maybe a little bit over a month back. And I've been talking to her because I kind of want to hook over her this weekend if she's available. So we'll see where that goes. Do you ever feel like you're catching feelings for any of them or no? No, I don't. Right.

Yeah. it's it's a completely unemotional for me um and i really hope uh that is always the case with these girls too because i don't i don't want to break anyone's heart or anything like that either you know what i mean i don't want to i don't want to i don't want them to have different expectations which is why i try to be well then stop fucking with the girl that and lying to them that i mean it's bad like and telling them like only do the thing where you're the guy that's Mary that's just looking for some action why you try to speak that

doing that. I don't think you can Martin. I mean I probably could. It's just, you know, then my pool, the pool gets smaller. So yeah. I guess I'm a dog, I know, but you know, like I said, it's something I like and

I really, I'll say this, I like it. I just don't want to hurt anybody by right. Right. So you can't get caught. because it is very hurtful what you're doing. And if your wife ever found out, it probably would end your relationship. I think absolutely, yeah.

Yeah. I think there would be no, no convex net. No, not if she, not if it really opened up, you know, like into a big thing, you know. It's hard. If she really found out the scope of it,

like it would be really bad, especially like, I don't know, the fact that like you're on Tinder and it's like there's something. sloppy about it that would be even it's it's like ruder because it is so you know what I mean I can't explain it right right right the guy that is just fucking hookers and really

keeping it on the down low and just doing that you know there's something about that that's like okay you could you could put that in a box it's like I don't know it's very cut and dry your thing is getting into a lot of other stuff you know and so like if you really found that out it's like you're talking to these girls, you're driving to meet them. Like they don't think you're married.

You have a fake fucking name. Like it's just, it's just there's so many layers to it that would add to her devastation. And the betrayal becomes even worse to me, you know? Right. I think it would be more like she would see that I was actually working so hard at it. Yeah. Just to, like you said, just to betray her,

just to deceive her. I think that would make it, you know, 10 times worse. Yeah. Then if she just thought you had a hookup with a hooker once, you know? Right. Or even if I just met somebody like, if it was like a work affair or something like that,

I think that would even be, you know, I don't want to say better, but, you know, less hurtful than, you know, me out making all these lies and telling one of different things. Everything is hurtful when it comes to cheating and stuff. but this whole thing that you're doing is, um, is bad, it would be really hard and I think would be,

you know, your relationship wouldn't be able to sustain it if she found out because it really just shows that you're like not who she thought you were. Like you're just not capable of being what she, what she really wants, which is like a monogamous person. You're just not. you know, for sure.

Right. Exactly. Well, let me ask you this. Do you have any advice on how I could possibly bring up having an open relationship or a non-monogamous relationship with her? You know, it's hard because I don't think that you could jump right there, right? So I've been thinking, like, what would be, you know, sort of a way that you could tiptoe into it, right? And start out now, you know, like it may be so that a year from now you're asking

her, right? But like, it's not something that I don't think you should just come right out and say, maybe somebody else would say something different and say that, oh, you should just come right out, you know? Let me, let me ask you this. When you try to have sex with her and tell her about all the stuff that she's into, you know, like when she says like no fucking way, like how do you respond or how do those conversations go? Because maybe like within those conversations, you know, is when you could also bring up, well, then what if I want to do this? Can I do it with someone out? You know what I mean? Like, right. I'm not really sure. I guess she just kind of, you know, says like, no. Like one thing I'm big on is anal. Like I'm always telling her, like I want to do anal.

I want to, you know, I want her to use butt plugs and yeah, you know, stuff like play with toys in front of me and she's always like, no, you know, it's, it doesn't do, like, what does it do for you? And I'm like, you know, it's just something I like, it's something I like to see. And she's like, no, I don't want to do that. And it kind of just ends there, I guess, you know, I don't push further because, you know, there's been times where we actually end up arguing or, you know, I got upset and I'm like, well, fuck it then. I don't even want to do this anymore. Like, I don't want to have sex now because it's just boring to me and, you know. And that's the kind of conversation that you could like maybe kind of throw it in there, right?

Only because then you could kind of take it back and be like I was just like fucking pissed because you turned me down. You know what I mean? Like if. Yeah. Just try to be subtle about like about it. Well, that's not really subtle, but it's kind of like throwing it in in a different way. Whereas like if you just sort of sit her down and say, listen, I'm wondering if we could, if you would be interested in having like a. open relationship.

That has a different feel to it and that is much more serious and means so much more than if you throw it out there when in the middle of like an argument, kind of, you know what I mean? You know, that's kind of like and then you could like feel her out and that could be a way, you know. But I don't suggest that either. I don't, I need to ask my audience for help. I want people listening to this. I feel like, you know, like, what?

What should you do? You know, like, and I think, like, some people would say you should leave your wife and be single. Like, let me ask you this. Like, what about, like, say somebody said to you, like, oh, you should, you know, be, maybe leave your marriage and be single. Like, could you ever see yourself doing that? It's been something I thought about. And it's not like I'm only staying for my kids. But, you know, I don't want to, I like my family.

Just my family, having my family in general being around them, including my wife, it's not something I'm ready to leave right now. You know, so right at the moment, I would say, I would say it's like a no-go right now. Yeah. No, this is why open relationships are, you know, are really good because you could have both. You know, but the slippery slope in open relationships and problems and even open relationships could be like, say you guys, she said, yes, you could open it. And but I don't want you to like, you know, talk to other girls, email. You know what I mean?

Like a lot of people have certain boundaries and rules and regulations in there, right? Because the biggest thing you're afraid of is somebody catching feelings or having a relationship outside if you open it up, right? So it really has to just make out sex. right? Like if she opened it up, I don't know that you would even be able, because I don't think even if you open up a relationship, she's going to allow you to go on Tinder and be Martin and do the shit that you do. You know what I mean? It's not a free for all. I don't think she allowed that. Would you be happy with just having sex with other girls maybe in front of her or like the ones that she said okay to? I don't know. If daddy would even turn, it would be okay for you. Yeah, I mean, I would definitely be. be okay with that. I don't know how far I could take that though. Like I wouldn't want her to get to, like have too much control over it. I believe there should obviously be boundaries and, you know, she was like, okay, you can't talk to them or you can't, you know, talk to them while you're at the

house or something like that or I need to see who they are. You know, I'll be okay with that type of stuff, but I don't think her saying, like, you can only have sex in front of me with these girls is, you know, that type of thing. I don't think I'd be okay with that. Right, but you'd have to, but listen, like, if you, if, you know, if say in the, in the crazy world where she said okay to that, because I don't think she ever would, but like, you know, I would say to you like, fucking be okay with that for now. Yeah, take what I can get.

Yeah. Come on. And we're, and then work from there. you know, but I just think what you're, the open relationship that you're looking for, like you basically is not like the typical open relationship that really works. Like what you want is for her to just allow you to go live like a single life. Right. And that I don't know that many people in open relationships like sort of live that way.

Though I have had people on that have their partners have like girlfriends, You know, and they've been together for double-digit years. How long have you guys have been together almost like six years or seven years? Almost seven years. Oh, no, it's seven years now. Yeah. Yeah. I want somebody listening to write in and give me some advice for this fucking Martin,

Zach, whoever he is. Because I don't know. Like I said, I just think you have your cake and want to eat it to and that's what you're doing. And you're just going to do it until you get busted. or because I don't think she'd go for what you're looking for. Like I said, I don't believe that the open relationship that you want is really an open relationship. What I think you want is to be able to do whatever the fuck you want to do when it comes to girls.

That's probably a lot of it. Yeah. And I don't know that that exists. And that's like, you know. And so instead you're going to like just cheat until like I said, you get caught or you, you, you work it out of yourself and you know she never you never get caught in 10 years from now maybe you're cheating on her like once a year you know what I mean and it's not that big of a deal anymore I don't know but um unless there's like somebody that knows how like because I find it hard to

believe that she would go for the open relationship but then again like I said I don't think that what your look the open relationship that you're looking for is even one that would work even for a girl that's into open relationships because I think it's a little scary what you do. I think if she would be open to even the idea of an open relationship and there was things I needed to change. I think I would be okay with changing them. You know, to a certain extent, I would be okay with working within her guidelines just to make that work. Okay, good. That's a bunch of better answer.

Knowing her, I don't think, I don't know if we get that far because I feel as soon as I even mention it, she's just going to be like, you know, very emotional about it and just take it very personally that I don't, that there's something missing in her or something like that. Sure. I don't even think we get that far to even like working out what it would be like the details of it. I don't think we'd even get that far. Yeah, no, I don't. I don't think so either. Right. You know, unfortunately.

So then, you know, if that's the case, what is the thing that you could do? Stop cheating. Yeah. It's going to have to come to that. Like I said, it's going to have to come to me stopping. And, you know, hopefully, you know, all I can do is hope that that comes before I get caught. Yeah. And I've said this on a recent podcast.

I don't know if I've aired the podcast yet that I said this on. But, like, I always tell people, you know, to watch. Watch their fucking backs when they're like in that place where they're worried they're going to get caught. And on some level they don't they want to stop. You know, because what happens is you could wind up like sort of subconsciously sabotaging the whole thing and get, making yourself get caught. You know what I mean? These things happen, you know? So.

And you want to end this whole scenario. You don't want it to be her finding out. because it will break up your family. Yeah, and that's not what I want at all. No, and the grass isn't so green. For a guy like you who does like your family and has three kids and everything and you like that, if you might not, I mean, you know, you probably won't like being single. Just single.

No, I don't think I would actually like going from now having my family, I don't think I would like going to be single. I don't think I would like it. No, you like having. the family but having the fun on the side like that's the problem exactly yeah you're not you don't want to be single like your single friends like you want to have that you know and that's like old school a lot of people men you know want both those things and what they do is what you do they they cheat and they have double lives so i would either decide to be okay with your cheating and just fucking do it or put it a date on your calendar of when you're going to fucking stop. Right. And I think, you know, I'll take your advice for now and out while I am still cheating. I'll get smarter about it.

Yes. Don't. It has to say down to fuck. No strings attached. I'm married. Like, stop with the girls that you're lying to. Stop with those girls. Seriously.

Right. Yeah, that could end bad. Yeah. Seriously. Don't. you know, and keep it as minimal, and be very honest about your situation. How much you love your wife.

You don't want her to fucking know. This is just something on the side and make sure you're at, you put that out there right away so that you know that the girl is cool with it and you could weed out the girls that aren't right away before, you know, you fuck them and then they're like really,

are mad at you. You're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, clean your act up. And then I'm giving a shout out to anybody that could help you with this, situation because I don't know what you should do. Like I said, I think you should stay with your wife and figure out, like I said, a time to stop cheating on her, whether it's eight months from now, a year and a half

from now, you know what I mean? I don't know. Right. Well, yeah, I will love. I'll be listening to see if anybody, if anybody can give me some advice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if anybody wants to give you advice on what to do and chime in on this because I'm a little confused.

I don't know how you could bring up the open relationship. but if somebody has some ideas and they were in your same position and they went through it and they could give you some advice, email me strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com and then I'll put them in touch with you, Zach, okay? Absolutely. Thank you. All right, but also keep me posted if you get busted anytime soon. I'll let you go.

But be safe. Okay. Thanks for pulling in. All right. Thanks so much. Bye. All right. Bye.

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