Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 323 - Married Mark has a Big Time Wrestling Fetish

Episode Date: February 17, 2020

Married Mark has a big time wrestling fetish and he’s wondering if wrestling with other women behind his wife’s back is considered cheating. When did he first get into wrestling? Where does he find the girls he wrestles with? What does he do with them and how much does it all cost? Is it cheating if there's no penetration? Tune in to find out plus hear all about how he's also into catfighting, humiliation, pantyhose, being treated as a women while being wrestled, and a whole lot more.  **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Today I'm in a guy named Mark who's into wrestling. That's a new fetish. I've never had somebody on that's into wrestling. I've had some guys talk about it a little bit, but never somebody where that's like the main topic. And I feel like it's probably going to be one of those fetishes where or those episodes were after I air it. I get a lot of emails from a lot of guys and saying that they're into that too. Like I said, he's into wrestling.

He's into pantyhoes. He's into pantyhose and wrestling. And this is something that he is, something that he's put out there in his relationships. Most people have turned it, shot it down. So every now and then he lives out his fantasy in real life. But he was like wondering if that's like actually considered cheating.

Because I think he's looking, he wishes he could live it out more. But he's more basically, he's not more basically. He is like a monogamous guy and doesn't really, he tries to hold it back as much as possible. but we talk about, you know, when the wrestling fetish started for him, how he got his rocks off in the early days and while he was single and what he's done while he's married.

And we also talk about like how he could bring this fetish into his marriage with his current wife and get her into it maybe. And also at the end, he sort of puts a shout out to anyone that's into wrestling as well that he'd love to sort of talk to them. if you're into it and want to get in touch with him and talk to a like-minded person, send me an email at Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com and I'll send it to him. But anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Mark. So you wrote in and like I know that your whole sort of email had a question.

Like you like to do a certain thing. You have a certain fetish and you want to know whether it was quote unquote cheating, right? And the thing that you're into, and it's a little bit more than this, right? but sort of the bigger pictures, you're into wrestling, women wrestling, right? I don't know how much, like from your email, I don't know how much you engage in this or how many times you've done this while you've been married. I don't, you know, I don't know if you're asking about actually doing it if it's cheating or if you're into it that it's cheating, right?

Like, I mean, what is the exact question? Is it cheating if you wrestle with a woman? Yeah, yeah, exactly. And you're getting hard and you're pre-coming and all those things. things that you said in your email? Yeah, exactly. To me, it's the turn on of just wrestling somebody, you know, a female, and just being dominated by her in a way.

Yeah. So this is what I was like when I read your email, I was like, you know, I'd love to sort of talk about that question in the beginning of the podcast before I hear your whole story. Give my opinion of whether it's cheating or not. And then listen to your whole story and then see if my, I have the same answer. Do you know what I mean? Because I think sometimes it's really easy to make. assumptions or to judge a situation by a sentence, right? And just say, yeah, it's fucking cheating

and it's wrong, right? But then you sometimes you hear the whole story and maybe you feel different because things taken out of context, right, or it could be misconstrued, right? So I would say, personally, like, as far as cheating is concerned, that, like, yeah, it's wrestling and you're not putting your dick inside her, right? But if you're getting hard and you're coming and it's like, it is a sexual act, it doesn't matter. I wouldn't think that it matters that, you know, there isn't the typical sexual acts being performed, but it is a sexual act because you're getting hard, right, by it? So I would say it's no different than if these girls were blowing you, right? But I don't, I don't know. I have to hear the whole story

because I couldn't really tell how much you do this behind your wife's back. Is this something that you, like, how long have you been married? Well, I've been for about 10 years now. And how long you've been with your wife, total? it's been 12 years told married previously what I what I've done in the past with this is like

I'm one of those people that once I'm committed and I'm married I usually kind of turn it off so they are in the back of my mind and so in listening to your podcast and I just kind of had to ask the question and why because you feel like you want to do it

and you just don't like so is it like you don't do it because you feel like it's cheating, but you want to make sure that you're right because if I would say or you would maybe come to the conclusion it's not cheating, you'd go and do it. Yeah, yeah, you could say that in a way, correct. I think you're, so, so have you not done it in, while you've been married in your two marriages because you feel like it's not the right thing? I've done it probably, right, during, you know, the feeling to want to do it just is overwhelming and, you know, I can't help myself in a way. Right, it's like you get very pent up, right?

And then you have to, because you're thinking about it and you're keeping it in your head, but you're engaging in fantasies of it, right? So much that eventually you have to like just go do it. Exactly. Exactly. And then let me ask you, after you have done it those couple of times, afterwards, like the minute you're done, do you feel like, oh my God, what did I do and feel guilty for a little bit?

Or are you okay with it? It's a little bit of both. You know, I feel guilty, but then I also convince myself, like, all right, I'm not, you know, I'm not taking my dicking or, you know, I'm not getting a blow job or a hand job or anything. So to me, it doesn't feel like it exactly. So I'm okay with that. You know, like most of the time, it just, the feeling is a little bit there at first, and then it kind of goes away. what the guilt and then you get then you rationalize it right the way you sort of see it in your brain and then you release it and then you're okay and then you could like not do it for a while

because i mean you've been married 10 years and you say you've just done it like i mean what three times the most or four times while you've been married and i'm assuming that maybe it's not all within this marriage did you do it sometimes in the other like is that three or four times in both of your marriages yeah yep yeah and i was married for five years previously so Yeah, about three or four times in that, you know, 15 years. That's not bad at all. But I've done it, like, you know, times when I wasn't married, even just dating or with somebody. I've probably done a couple of dozen times.

Let me ask you this. Let's go back a little bit. Like, when did you realize that you were into the whole wrestling thing? And then I want to know where you meet girls to wrestle with. Like if there's some sort of underground panty hose wrestling, you know, community. I don't know. When did you get into it first, though? Let's just figure out when you, like I want to hear,

when you figured out that you were into this fattish. I'm in my late 40s, and I probably got into it. It was probably 14, 15 years old. Uh-huh. You know, I was at the time just a young boy. And, you know, like everything else was watching things like wrestling at TV, very well, WWE or WWF at the time, you know, Holkogan. and all of that stuff.

And then one, you know, a women's wrestling match. And I'm sitting there watching a match in a match. So I'm like, oh, this is interesting that I'm getting hard watching women wrestle. Right. So back then, you know, before the internet and everything, now you'd go to the drugstore or whatever, and they'd have wrestling magazines. So you'd read the wrestling magazines for the article stuff

and then look for the back of the magazine. They would have, you know, different ads on, like, what they call an apartment wrestling, like women wrestling, other women. Oh, and you could go see it. It was like an event. It was like, yeah, it was like a little ad for a company that would be someone videos of women wrestling. Uh-huh. Okay. Yeah.

So you would, you know, at that time, I was like, oh, let me check it out. We've got something sent to me. You know, and at the time, it's like, oh, women wearing bar and tanny. and wrestling and wrestling one another and, you know, cat fighting and ripping off clothes. And I was like sexually aroused from it. And, you know, at that time, I was keeping all the flyers and, you know, using them as material to... Durk off to... I don't know.

I'd be jerking off to, like, women wrestling or, you know, you'd watch shows at the time. And, you know, you did... It's like when the part where they're wrestling and the... And the mud pit, you know, the women would be wrestling and they kind of turn on. So you'd end up watching that movie and rewinding that part back and forth it over and over again in their head. Or you'd see something like a old Wonder Woman episode where, you know, she's fighting with a guy. So those kind of things would turn me on and, you know, get me to jerk off. And then as I then found out, it's like some of these women that do some of the apartment wrestling would also.

wrestle guy. So it would be called like they would call that mixed wrestling. So with a guy and a girl wrestle each other. And I would get all into like at that time, you know, you get, you know, once again, it was before internet. So you get the flyers in the mail. And it'd be the description that was like three or four paragraphs long describing the video and, you know, Jim, you know, rushes Tracy and Tracy pins him down. And, you know, you see the whole. This is like erotic story. The dialogue. Yeah.

Exactly. It was like a whole robotic story behind the video that they were selling. And, you know, you'd purchase a couple of the videos. And, you know, I would hide them, you know, and you had those drop ceilings in your basement. Oh, you mean the squares that you could just put it out hilarious? Exactly. So, you know, that was kind of like my forbidden or my porn session. As I got older, like I found.

to like where these women would, there was this like Bush magazine kind of thing for women around the country that would wrestle guys. Oh, okay, so this is like you could go in person and actually be wrestled with it. Like you could wrestle with them.

Right, exactly. So there was like nothing near me or anything so that I was fortunate to have anybody nearby but, you know, I would look at the you know, the independent paper, the sex papers that they had and looked for anybody that would do any kind of wrestling. I think I met up once or twice with like a different dominatrix or two that would try it out

were regular wrestlers or people that would do wrestling. Right. And I think I'm, I like on my 21st birthday, I finally got up the nerve and treat myself and went into New York City for the day and a woman out there with other women in her apartment. and I had like the time of my life like wrestling somebody. But wait, so tell me how that all goes down because I live in New York so I could be, you know, across the street, someone could be doing this shit and I want to know.

Like, like, so you, so I'm assuming does she advertise on Craigslist or something? You find her, she says I do wrestling with other women in this apartment. Now, I know that you want to wrestle too. So is this something that you sign up for that you're going to go and watch her wrestle someone else? or you signed up for her those two girls to wrestle with you? Like, what is it that you were going to do? It was signing up to you. Okay.

So she would wrestle me down and get me in different pens and different tins. But wait, when you get to her house, I just want to sort of pick apart the story and just hear the whole thing. I need a visual. So you get to her apartment. Is she hot? What is she wearing? How old is she? Does she have a mud pit in her house?

Like, what is the deal? Back then, it was all done. And the person I reached out to that had they added, I think it was called Amfem, this little book. Oh, okay, right, right, right. That's like so long ago. Yeah. So, yeah, so I mailed her and she would mail me back a list of like the different girls that she had with pictures of the girls. Uh-huh.

You know, kind of saying, okay, here's lady Godiva. She's 5-8, you know, 160, blonde hair, and breastling. Here's another one. She's more into a competitive type breastline. I pick out the girl that I wanted to wrestle, set up the date and time. What did you like? What did you pick? Like, what was your thing that you were into specifically?

Mine, I was more into what they could. I call it the T&A kind of wrestling, where it's just more of looking for the beauty to sit and at. Somebody who is kind of like that girl next door kind of look isn't competitive of not looking to like a bodybuilder type woman. Yeah. That doesn't turn me on. somebody who is

you know the girl next door that you could just wrestle so super hot good looking good body feminine yeah exactly exactly who wouldn't what guy what guy wouldn't want to wrestle with that girl

you know what I mean right right so the first so the first time I went down to New York and so she had given me her address this woman and I went in

Met around the day, you know, it was typical apartment building. I can't tell you it was like east side, west side, because it was so long ago. Yeah, that's okay. Said, okay, the girl that I've got for you, she'll be joining us shortly. And we just talked about, you know, what I was into and everything and what I expected out of the match. And, you know, and any rules, you know, no, you know, acts of any kind or anything, you know, that it's just fun wrestling. How much was this experience going to cost? How much did it cost?

I think at the time then, it was probably like $150, $200 for an hour session. Yeah, that's a lot, don't you think, for back then? Yeah. That was like, what, early 90s. And so, yeah, then there would be a knock. There was a knock at the door. The girl that they had picked out was show well. Was she good?

I mean, was she, what you thought you wanted? Like, was she that girl next door hot? Yeah, yeah. This girl was like, oh, she had to be like at least like five, six, five, seven, blonde hair, average build, big boobs. So she would, so she goes and changes up and she would not, into a wrestling outfit. and I get down pretty much to my shorts and, you know, the promoter of the person that set it up, and she has laid down some paths.

We just started wrestling on the floor then. It was my first time, so it was like, you know, the moves and everything that I had read about and seen in the videos of starting to actually act out and portray and do, and it was all excellent fantasy in my head, and it was just a great time all. And all. You know, at the end, you know, she had got me in the scissors. She got her legs around my head and twisted me down and my face, you know, pinning me down. And it was, you know, totally turned on.

I mean, match. I'm like exploding in my shorts because I'm so turned on. And that's a long time to be having like sort of physical contact with a woman very close, right? And into me because she's not wearing much, right? and you're like literally like skin on skin, right, for 45 minutes, I think a lot of people would be able to, would get to that point where they were going to explode, right? I mean, it is kind of like if you think about it, maybe people that are feeling the same way I am, like maybe you never thought of this would be hot, right?

But listening to it now, you're like, yeah, duh, like, of course that's going to be hot, right? Right, right, exactly. it was a total it just kind of took off I mean I ended up going to New York and meeting up with other women in her aid another good two or three more times over the next couple of years I ended up moving to another area of the country that once again was a lot further away from New York and it really wasn't anything that was close by again so I was kind of like And in another situation where I was kind of like out of luck, I actually even put, like, I was single at the time living alone in an apartment. And I even put an ad in like one of those, it was way before Craigslist or one of those sex papers, you know, saying what I was looking for and stuff.

And, you know, I think I got one reply from a lonely housewife who was looking to use wrestling as a long semester as well. So she was a little heavier set. So I think I wrestled her once or twice. How was it? And it was all right. It was all right. It was fun. But once again, it wasn't with somebody who did it regularly or wasn't into the whole fantasy of it.

So, yeah, there was some downtime for a few years there. But then, you know, the Internet started exploding, started having, you know, the different pages and stuff that, like, ads on, you know, the porn on the web, you know, advertising on there. And that's where you start learning about, you know, there's different women and they do travel to other places. You know, maybe they go to this major city and they're there for two or three days and they're taking sessions. You know, they move out to another city. So it became almost like session wrestling where, you know, these, you know, some of them are former dominatrix instead of going into wrestling and they just travel around. Yeah, and I met up with probably a good half a dozen or so of them, you know, that would travel through. I mean, there were a lot more women that would travel through, but, you know, ones that, you know, I was attracted to and wanted to wrestle.

You know, they're not as many as, like, there are, like, fitness babes or bodybuilder type. Well, let me ask you this. Wait, when they're traveling around, where do you wrestle them in their hotel rooms? Do they rental a place that you could go to? where do you set this up or where is it done? Well, you usually, you know, some of them will get like a sweet type of thing. Right, so one room they could move things around.

Yeah, exactly. And others may just get like a room with like a big king size bed and you wrestle off on the bed. Oh, okay. And then you put the pillows on the side so you don't get your head against like the, and the nightstands and stuff like that. Okay, so go on. You were telling you were getting something else. Yeah, go on.

Oh, yeah. I was going to say one time I wrestled somebody who was like a body builder type. And with me, put me on her shoulders and did squats. And I was like, okay, this is interesting, but it wasn't a turn-on for me. So I knew at that time, I was like, yeah, bodybuilder girls were my type. It wasn't what I was into. It's funny that you're like, this is interesting, but it's not a turn-on. You also, though, what you have is added to the wrestling.

is a panty hose, right? Fatish? Yeah, I do. I do like a woman, like I said, the growing ex-noy type. I like the wrestling, like her, and not getting into like a wrestling outfit, like a bikini or anything.

I almost like her own natural, like something frilly, almost like lacy and lingerie type. You know, hose is definitely a big turn-on for me. One time I wrestled somebody, and she had like fish nets. And like when you get squeezed between somebody's thighs and they're wearing fishnets and they leave the impression of fishnought stockings on your seat from squeezing your head,

it was kind of a turn on as well. And now could you put in those requests or did you just happen to have your wrestling girls show up in that? Or is that something you could request ahead of time? Yeah, you could request ahead of time to see that that would be something of interest that they would accommodate for. Some others are strictly like, no, I only wrestle in a swimsuit or bikini. Others would use brown tannies. You know, some would do tapas, but I'll be honest with years. I mean, the tapis doesn't attract me as much as like having something there and not knowing.

Yeah, I got that. I would get into, I started like as maturing on, I started getting into wanting to wrestle. a woman he was either wearing hose or something, silky, a laundry, or the whole fantasy act, you know, the roleplay part of it, you know, coming in wearing something dressed, you know, saying, you know, playing the part of stuff, you're coming home, you know, from a night out, and, you know, I'm a burglar going through your panty drawer and you wrestle me down and, you know, humiliate me and you're getting undressed as you're wrestling me, slowly, you know, and brought me. on panties. There's that word. Now I remember you use the word humiliate you like for women to humiliate you. I remember that in your email now.

Humiliate you in what way with like their words? Like telling like you know what specifically is does that mean to you or like how does that play out in your fantasy but the humiliation aspect of it? It'll get turned down by the wordplay a little bit in regards to like the whole role play part of it. Uh-huh. Yeah, showing showing that verbal domination.

But with the really. wrestling, I get turned down by the fantasy part of it being the different moves. So, you know, there's a headset. Right. There's a schoolboy pin where they're pinning you down sitting on your chest with their knees on your shoulders and their crotch in your face. But then from there, they're moving their face under their ass on their face, you know, or maybe they're wrapping their legs around your leg like a pretzel and stretching backwards.

and burying your face in their tits and smothering you in their breasts. So that kind of humiliation where you're being humiliated by, you know, the feminine part of a woman. You know, you're being wrestled down. And then they're showing you, hey, these are my women parts. And my women parts are stronger and better than your man parts. Right. Interesting. Yeah. So that's the kind of humiliation factor that I enjoy is kind of like the whole face-sitting.

I guess that's what, you know, I never realize what is underneath that fetish, right? I've seen it, right? I know it exists and I guess that's what it is. I would have never put it together. Like that's a humiliating kind of act, right? But now that you explain it, I get that that's how people would take it and that's what people would be turned on by it for. You know what I mean? Yeah.

From there, like I said, you know, the outfit and the whole role plate, but then if I'm maybe, I wanted to wrestle a woman like I was a woman. You know, so I explored that a couple of times, you know, where I would wear panty hose and she would wear panty hose. That's an interesting twist that happens. I mean, were you even sort of surprised that you felt that way and that came up? Or did you have feelings about that in yourself, like, way earlier? It was always one of those things like when I would, the early part of wrestling, when I would be wrestling these women and they would be wearing.

holes and it was just, you know, they wrapped their heads around, their legs around me, and I would just feel their legs. It was such a turn-on to feel their soaked legs and being squeezed by them. I wasn't wrestling with somebody. That panty hose, you know, felt really cool. So it was just kind of like the feel of them. And where would you get those panty hose? Like, did you, was this like a, because it was obviously, I was assuming a secret thing.

Were you stealing your moms at the time you were so young? Or were you going and buying them yourself or ordering them in the mail? Like, how did you have panty hose on hand to jerk off to? Yeah. It was when I was much older when I got into it. I was probably like at that point in time, probably into my 30s at that time. And, you know, it was just a CVS. But I wouldn't go to like the corner pharmacy like around the corner from me.

I'd probably go like on the other side of town or something. Right. So it wasn't something that you dabbled in went like, I mean, the whole panty hose thing and wearing them. And that wasn't something that was started early on. It sort of progressed, like you said, because you started wrestling with those girls and then you realized you were into it. Exactly. Right. Exactly.

And one time, I had wrestled with her once or twice before and had a really, really good, but I asked her. I said, would you be into having a camp fight with me where I would dress up as a girl and, you know, we would. play out like a like a girl girl cat fight where you could rip off the clothes off of me and stuff Do you want to still be dominated in that situation? Are you still the sub in that cat fight?

Yeah, I was still the sub in that cat fight. So yeah, I still wanted to be dominated but it was just again it was the whole role play part of it the feeling of you know feeling that that that silkyness and the

you know the whole the humiliation right of being dominated by her even as a woman exactly

exactly it was the whole the whole fantasy of it came so I went you know went to the local thrift store

got some women's clothing was able to get some you know brought panties kind of stuff you know

we did the whole thing where you just you know kind of ripped the blouse off of me and then threw me down and then

I was pinning me down and, you know, it was humiliating the, you know, all of that was just the whole fantasy and it was just, yeah, incredible. Uh-huh. Now, let me ask you this, because you get so close with these women, right? And, like, I'm assuming because the first lady you said, said, like, you know, listen, she gave you the rules and regulations up front. Like, there's no touching.

There's no sexual acts. I'm assuming that all these other times that you're with these women, that is always something that they put out there, right? and understood kind of rule of the wrestling fantasy thing. You're hiring this woman. It's not going any further, right? Or are there times where these girls are like open to do other things for more money? Like, you know what I mean?

Or is it always like these are girls that are like, listen, this is the deal. We're going to wrestle and I'm going to put my pussy in your face. But like you can't do anything. Like nothing's going to be done further. Yeah, there's definitely ground rules. It's definitely no sexual act. don't expect, you know, a, it's not going to rub at the end. There's none of that.

I mean, there have been, you know, where I've asked, you know, getting into the wrestling match, you know, do you mind if, you know, if I squeezed your move or, you know, I would never grab your crotch or anything, but, you know, like during the rolling around, are you opposed to me, you know, twisting your nipple or doing that? And some clearly say, you know, there's absolutely no touching there. And others are like, it's okay as long as it's not something hard and, you know, rough. And so it depends on who you ask. Yeah.

Right. Each girl is different. Yeah. I was wondering if you've ever had those experience where you're with a girl and she, like, offers to give you a happy ending, right? But, you know, for more cash, I don't know. To the time, I would say that by that time, lots of times I'm just getting off. You already came. It is actually a good thing for a girl.

Sorry to cut you off. I cut people up all the time. It is a good thing for a girl that wants to make money, right? Like, you know, if you think about, like, all these sort of things that women do for cash with guys, right? Like, they're escorts or they're stripping or that, you know, it's not so bad, right? If you're doing the wrestling because, like, you know, you don't, these girls, like, most of the guys are probably like you, I would say, right? Like, that it's, if you're into wrestling, that's the. turn on. You don't need anything more, right? So you're not the guy that's in the masseuse parlor

that, you know, needs to be jerked off afterwards, right? It's like you're, the wrestling is enough to get you off. Do you, is it okay to, and I'm assuming the answer is yes, but like, is it okay in a given that you're going to ejaculate during this process? Um, yeah, yeah. That's expected, right? Like these girls know, like, you're not like, such or anything, but you're going to come? Yeah, I think for the most part, it's kind of one of those unworded things that, you know, it's just kind of expected. But you're not touching your dick. It's not like you have to jerk off for that.

I mean, like, and you're not taking your pants off, right? No, no, yeah, yeah, absolutely not. Right. No, no. Most definitely understand, you know, most usually, you know, if you're in a like a hotel room meeting up with somebody, they usually, you know, they usually, you know, for you a face cloth or whatever to clean up when you're getting, you know, when it matches over and you're getting dressed and stuff.

Right. Interesting. So they know that this is going to complete that way, but most guys are not going to ask for anything more because that's what, if you're into wrestling, that's what's going to get you off. It's just like all those aspects that you're talking about. I mean, 35 minutes an hour. These sessions last a long time.

That's a lot of foreplay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, when you get into the, it would be like, okay I want a more semi-competitive that you're actually trying you know you're trying to pin the other person yeah and then maybe the last half hour is like all humiliation right now it's like to be older I am it's like yeah let's just get right to the umiliation part like five minutes into the message oh interesting but wait so somewhere along this line you meet your first wife and you marry her right so now

you decide to put this fetish in the closet, right? And like not do it. You're like, because you said like you could turn it off, right? But at some point, it sort of drives you to go back out there and do it behind her back? Yeah. So, yeah, so it's like even like before my first marriage, like even with like girlfriends that they had for law periods that I bring up. What do you think of it? It's wrestling.

You know, and I get what is that? That's not something. that I would be into. At least you tried, though. Like, you would bring it up? That's pretty cool and open of you. Yeah, yeah. Not with somebody, like, right away.

I mean, it would be with somebody for maybe like a year or so before I bring it up. Yeah, yeah. And so, yeah, I never... Everyone always shot it down? Yeah, I would say so, definitely. Yeah, my first marriage, it was like, okay, it was shot down. And I was like, once I was buried, I was like, once I was married, I was like, like, okay, then I have to be faithful. I can't be doing this. The interesting part is like

when I would get really, really stressed out or something, it was easy to just go back to the point, you know, to my wrestling board to jerk off and stuff. Right, because it just like takes you out of your life, right? It's just like a escape, an escape. Exactly, a big escape. And it was the same thing like, you know, if there was a really, really, you know, dramatic event or whatever where I just needed a bigger escape. That's what I would look and see, okay, who's traveling or who's out there. Maybe I'll meet up with somebody and do a match, an in-person match. And that would be the handful of times where I've done it where I've been married.

It's usually a big stressful time in my life. Right. Because you get so into it and it really takes you out of your life. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you spent your whole. life. Like this has been the number one fantasy in your, you know, forever since like, you know, early on, right? So of course it would be the, the greatest escape, right? I mean, like, people use all different things to sort of get out of themselves during stressful times and stuff,

you know? And I think that's why people like, oh, sexual addiction doesn't exist. Well, anything could be, you could become addicted to anything, you know, and not to say that, listen, just because you do it a couple times in your life when you're stressed out, that it's an addiction, right? That's not what it means. It means that the people that are doing it all the time, and an addiction is very different than the person that does it once in a blue moon just because they're stressed out. You know, everyone needs to

fucking forget about life sometimes when things are really difficult, right? Like, and what do you do? You went there and then, you know, you just, you said you just cheated it a couple times on that wife, right? Then your relationship ends. Now, with this current wife, right? How many times have you done it? Well, first of all, you bring it up with her and how did she feel about it?

I'm assuming she shot it down to. Understand it. She asked me to, you know, to see some videos of it, you know, and try to understand it. And it still wasn't like her thing. I think she is more of a sub as well like I am. So like you have two subs and there's no one to really play that dominant role. So it just wasn't going to be something that I. brought up again, but she wasn't, she's not opposed to, hey, we all have stressful times.

You need to go check out some porn and jerk off. You know, you almost expect that. Yeah. Of course. I don't know. I don't understand these women that think that a man is never going to look at, even a woman. Like, I mean, what is the big deal? I don't know, but some people really have a, I mean, I get it if like your guy is or

girl is like just, you know, watching porn for 10 hours a day. day. That's a problem, you know, but Yeah. That's been the good part about my marriage now is that, you know, I have to get stressed out, I can always go just release. Right. But it's like, you know, I think

there was like a, you know, death of my father at one point where I was like, oh, I needed escape after, you know, a couple months and stuff and, you know, I went and had a session with somebody. Right, because you really, it was a really an extreme situation, right? Like you had, it was your father had died.

And I think most men always processed it a couple months later, they never right away. That's just like when it hits you, you know. Led me to like a cross girl podcast, listen to some guys with Pennyhost bed issues, and thinking, okay, that's slightly similar to what I was in, but I'm more into the wrestling. I love to get here with others out there, or to. experiencing and then also just ask that question that I asked you with the email was like the whole you know is it is it cheating if you're not yeah if you're not having intercourse and like you even said earlier um you know a girl you know why wouldn't she want to do like something like

this where it's not sex work in a way i guess i don't think of it at sex work is it sex work is it You know, yes, it is. I think that's why I put like all the other kind of things that would be maybe considered in the same category in there, right? And there's different degrees of it, you know, right? The girl that's wrestling with the guy that's getting hard is different than the girl that's blowing the guy that's hard, right? But it is still, you know, it is a still, these girls know you're coming. These girls know you're getting hard. These girls are, you know, bringing you to the point of release.

it's no different than the girl that's doing the happy ending, right? It's just, but I think like it, that's why I said like, you know, if you have to, if you wanted to do sex work, it's not such a bad thing to do. It's, you know, it's like if I, someone told me you have to do sex work, right? I would be like, I'll be a foot fetish model or I'll do something like this, right? Because then you're not really sort of engaging with men that you don't want to maybe the fucking real life. I don't know, you know.

So that's what I mean. But it's still, I consider it's still a sexual act. Like I think, you know, for you with the cheating thing, you know, it could be, you know, it could be a conversation that you have with your wife. I think most women would think it's cheating still because you are going, you are getting hard, you are having an orgasm, right? and you are having another woman's body parts all over you, right? Like, they're fucking badges on your face or tits are in your face.

Yes, she might have clothes on, but I don't know. I don't think most women would want, you know, unless it was all, you know, sort of talked out and accepted that this is okay. I know that you want this and stuff. But like, you know, that they would want that going on without them knowing. So if they found out that you did it, they would be like, what the fuck? like that would be considered like, oh my God, I found my guy cheating. He was doing this wrestling thing, you know?

Yeah. But I feel like, you know, when was the last time you did it, by the way? And you've been okay with, I mean, it's just something that you fantasize now is, are you getting to a point again where you feel like you have to go do it in real life or how are you feeling about it? Occasionally peek over and to check to see who's traveling and he's going, you know, who's coming to the area, you know, in my area. You know, and it's a, you know, it's still a taboo thing.

It's like, oh, she's somebody I've seen in different films, different matches. She'd be interesting. Maybe, maybe not. Should I? Should I not? And then it'll pass and the time will go by and then it'll be like, okay, I got, I got over that house. It's kind of like having a, you know, being a cigarette smoker and you'd be able to just do

something during that craving part, you know, to get your mind off of it. Yeah, no, that's, my mind. That's the way to sort it. It's just like, don't feed it. Like you feel it, right? But you just don't sort of act upon how you feel, right? And that is the best way to sort of not do, you know, something that you don't want to do. I mean, I've quit a lot of things, right? And that's how it starts off. Like, you know, you get these feelings that you really want to do it, whether it's smoking or drinking or fucking someone that you don't want to fuck anymore. You know what I mean? Like you just, and no matter how much you want to do it, you just don't, you know? And And that feeling, like you said, it goes away and you feel like, okay, like I got through that time of that pull isn't there anymore because you didn't feed into it, right? And that is how you've managed to really keep this at bay. You know, you're not crazy. But, you know, I get that in times of being super stressed out. Like when you had a death in your family of someone close to you and stuff like that, that, you know, you wouldn't be able to not go there, right? You know, and that's when

people of any that are quitting anything like that's the time that people a lot of times have a relapse right the alcoholic drinks again or something because you know in that moment they just it's like fuck it you know it's just it's too much so you reach for the thing that you know is will take you away right those are the times that it's harder not to do that thing that you want to do that you know is not right right and most people could as an addict and I'm not saying you're an addict but like you know, in those situations as an addict, I could understand that that's the time because I know how that feels, do you know what I mean?

And in times of intense sort of trouble, that's the easiest thing to go to. I am a very, I have like really powerful willpower. Like I'm like a great fucking quitter. So, you know, even in my times of the worst, I am able to not go to any of my vices, but I get that most people do, you know? And you, I feel like,

You know, you've really been successful at being. And people would probably say I'm fucking wrong because you're not 100% monogamous, right? You have done it. But it's, you know, you've been married 10 years. You've been with the same woman for 15 years, right? And you've done it what? Two or three times? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's not bad. And considering it's such a poll for you. I feel like, you know, you are, you would be considered someone that is like successful. at keeping this at bay, right? Because there's a lot of other people who have this kind of fetish thing going on that. And I'm sure you've heard people have heard their episodes where, you know, it's hard for them to not go do it, right? And they're doing it a lot behind their significant others back, right? But you're not. I mean, I would, I personally think it would be cheating. I think like, think about it.

Like, if your wife, what's cool about your wife is she knows that you're looking at this porn. she knows that you're into this. If she found it on your computer, she wouldn't be like, oh my God, who are you? Right? You were straight up with it,

and I give you credit for that. A lot of people in I'm your age, a lot of people in our generation, you know, aren't so open with things, especially things that have to do with SCX, right? It was all on the down low for most of our lives, right?

It is until recently that things are more accepted. So it's super cool that you were able to be honest with your wife to a point, right? that most people can't eat, it wouldn't be. So I feel like,

you know, you're lucky there. I believe that the question about whether that's cheating or whether, you know, that would be something that your wife would be okay with is like,

could be something that could be explored with her if you brought it up in a way that, you know, made it seem like it's just something that maybe you would be into, open to trying in the future.

Does she think it's wrong? know, could you have, are you guys, like, really open with each other when you're talking and stuff? Is it something that you could bring up sort of hypothetically and just to see her take on it by any chance? Yeah, I thought about it, you know, you know, maybe having that conversation where, you know, maybe she wouldn't mind doing some type of role play. You know, it's a give and take, you know, maybe doing something for her and, you know, doing this for me kind of thing. Yeah. No, but also, like, what about her being okay with you doing it with somebody else? That's what I'm saying.

That conversation. I'm thinking that that might be just a bit too much. Yeah. I just think, like, I don't know. Like if I was your wife, but I don't know. I've never been with someone for 15 years, okay? So I really am probably talking out of my ass when I say this. But, you know, I just feel like after being with someone for that long, like,

wouldn't it be nice to have somebody else take over a little bit of this? the, you know, that part of thing, like, you know, like sort of like, you know, farm the horny hard dick out to someone, you know, just for a little bit. Like, you don't want to do it. You know, I'm not into that, but just like, go do that with somebody every now and then. And that just makes my life easier. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, I don't know. That's how I would look at it. Because it's not really that bad, but, you know, I'm not your wife. I just, I think that, you know, yeah, maybe she wouldn't be into you going and doing it straight off the bat, but like maybe if you started to role play with her and got more into it with her, and then the conversation could be like maybe you don't like this,

would you be into, like, there are places that these people do it, but there's no sex act. Like, you know, I've seen it on videos. Like, is that something? You know, you, I, you know, you just never know. Seriously, I feel like you just don't know how she would respond if you had more conversations about it. Right? Like, because I feel like a lot of women would be a lot more open about things if she,

they felt like they could really trust a guy and they knew what was going on. I think the biggest problem with men and women in these kinds of situations where men want to do things is they don't really explain everything enough. They don't make the woman feel safe that they're not going to lose that. You know, this is like they don't know what the woman is really looking for. And I think what most women would be looking for in those kinds of situations is that, you know, it was a lot of information. Women need a lot more information than men.

Do you know what I mean? And I, you know, guys are just not wired that way. But I feel like, you know, if you were to have more open conversations about it and do stuff with her more, down the line, you could roleplay that she's somebody else. Or if she's not into it, like I said, you could bring up like, you know, there are women that do it. But there is, it's a strict rule that there's no sort of physical contact. Like, would you mind if I, like, could I do that? like maybe you could come and watch me.

Like, you know, you never know where that conversation goes over time, right? Yeah, it's definitely a thing to consider that conversation. And, you know, slowly, I think it's definitely a slow, slow conversation, something that has to be done in steps-wise. But, yeah, but if she got into it or not into it, it's something that would be sort of discussed, like, not at the dinner table when, you know, in the daytime, you know, it's like while you're getting horny and talking about things and that in that kind of situation.

Do you know what I mean? And then eventually maybe it could be sort of just thrown out there like, you know, and see where she goes with it, you know? But it has to be done in a way that she doesn't think that like this is something that you've done before. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like it could be like, oh, like look at this. Like I found this. Like once if you could get her and to start role playing with you or she'll start video.

Like you could show her like, look, this is something that people can do in real life. Like would you, would I be able to do that? You know, like, you have to like sort of, it has to sort of seem like it comes up naturally. Right. Right. Right. Exactly. So she doesn't think, you know, because women are very intuitive and they look in for things.

At least I am, like that I would be like, hmm, if you said it the wrong way, I'd be like, what the fuck have you been doing this all the time? You know what I mean? It can't be obvious. I had a guy on recently who said some stuff and then I don't know. Somehow he's like email me like his wife found out and he wanted me to get him out. And I was just like, if you're going to be a fucking liar, like you better be a good liar because it's so obvious when people are like.

And then he was like lying to me and I'm like, you're just lying to me too. Like, you know, you're going to do things, do it the right way. So it would have to be really sort of in a way that it just came up. And I feel like with you because you're not. not living such a double life, right? Like, you know, it is, it wouldn't be hard for you to be like, hey, like, this is something that I might be, because it's like kind of true, right? Like, you haven't done it in years.

It's not something that you've done. So it's not like you're like hiding so many secrets when you're talking to her. You know what I mean? That you can look her in the eye and be like, sort of act as if this would be something new for you, right? Yeah, I could do that, yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, it's not really, it's like if you look at this conversation, black and white, people are like, Kathy, this is you're ridiculous.

Like, he has cheated on her. He has done it. How could he look her in the face? It's like, you haven't done it in so long, right? Didn't you say it was been a couple of years? Yeah. Yeah. At least three years.

Right. And it's not like you're not stressed out recently or anything that you feel like you need to do it again anytime soon, right? Am I correct? That's what you said, right? Yeah. Not at all. Yeah. So if you just, like, and I've told other guys this for other sort of fantasies that they want to,

or their fetishes that they have that they want to bring into their marriage. Like, if you just keep, like, taking that urge and bringing it into your relationship with your right and trying maybe to figure out a way for you guys to live this out with her, that will help, you know? And then, like I said, if she's not into it and continues to not be into it, then maybe. you know, you somehow bring it up that this is something that you could go do, like a mock sort of thing, that, you know, there's no sort of sexual touch. And like, would that be cheating? Like, you think it is.

Like, what does she think? You know, that kind of a way to bring it up, you know? Oh, okay. Yeah, interesting. I don't know. Like how, like, what is your wife like? Is she, like, you know, is she pretty open-minded? Is she really not open-minded?

is, you know, is how, what's her, what is she like? She's kind of like in the middle a little bit. Right. She's okay with you, like looking at porn. She didn't shut it down on you, right? Like she was open to sort of checking it out to see that if she'd be into it, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

And check. So it's definitely not, you know, closed all the way. So there, yeah, I guess I never thought of it that way. There's definitely opportunities where I can try to open the conversation slowly. in a different way and see where it goes from there. Yeah, or you're just going to, you know, do it every couple of years behind her back. I don't know. Like, you know, I always think that, like, sort of you have to, like, the reason why I ask,

like, how do you feel after you do it? What do you think about what you do? You know, is because, like, I think we make up our own rules and regulations, and we have our own morals and what we think is right or wrong. You know what I mean? And that's what you should live by. I think for the most part, you are a monogamous person. then, right? Or else you'd be doing it a lot more. I mean, you know the answer. Like if you,

you know that you think it's cheating or else you'd be doing it a lot more, right? I mean, you hold back 99% of the time because you don't feel like it's right, right? So that's your answer. It doesn't matter what I think. It doesn't matter when anybody thinks. It matters mostly what you think because there's some people that would 100% not feel like it was cheating or not feel like they felt like it was a wrong thing to do and that's what they do. Does that mean that it's right? No, but that's how that person feels. You know, for you writing into me asking whether it is, I think there's some part of you

that wishes that I would say no. So then maybe you could start believing that. But what you believe is what's true to you. And nobody could change that, you know. So I think that the best thing for you to do is to try to get your wife more on board, you know, and push it a little bit more. You know what? You didn't know that you, you know, panty hose around your neck would fucking turn you on,

but it did when you were in the middle of it. I know she's a sub, but maybe if she tried to be a dom, she'd realize she fucking likes it. Like, you just don't know that I think maybe you have to get her a little bit more into it and start sort of experimenting with her and see where that goes. Right? I don't know. I'm curious. Listen, I have never had this fetish on.

I know for sure I'm going to get a ton of emails. from guys, especially on YouTube. I get a lot of people on YouTube chiming in because they could put comments underneath. Like, oh, this is, you know, this is a fetish that I'm into too, you know, and I'm sure because, listen, back in the day, before there was even the internet, people were putting ads out of this kind of situation, right? Somebody realized that this is what, you know, they were probably into it and realized other guys were into it too, right?

There was girls in New York City charging money for guys to come in and watch women wrestle in their fucking living rooms because there are guys that are into this, right? And so I know I'm going to get a million emails of other guys saying, oh, my God, like, this is, I'm totally into this too, right? So, and there's a Reddit page. It's like Reddit strictly, let's talk strictly anonymous podcasts. I think where people go and like talk to people, you know, so maybe go there. But if anybody, would you like to hear from people that are listening, my listeners that are into what you're into? Is that what you had said in the beginning?

I thought, yeah, you had mentioned that. Yeah, yeah, no, that's always part of it. It's like, you know, you don't want to feel like you're alone. Yeah. For the only one that has this. Yeah, for sure. Listen, I have a feeling this is going to be one of those really, those ones like pantyhoes. That's a lot more popular than you would think, you know.

And I bet you that there's a lot of crossover. I'm thinking that there's a lot of crossover between cross-dressing, panty-hose, and wrestling. Because I had another guy, or panty-hose and, you know, the wrestling. Because I had a guy on that did the panty hose thing and was into that. And then he started wrestling. But he was like, I think wrestling with guys. But it was like he did get into the whole wrestling thing. That was like the only other time I've had someone talk about this.

But I think it's going to be one of those things where I get a lot of email. So you could either give out an email address for people to email you directly or they could email me at Strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com. And then I could forward them to you. What do you feel most comfortable with? Okay, cool. If anyone wants to get in touch with Mark and talk about their fetish and maybe talk about whether you do it behind your wives back.

Does anyone out there like ever had their wife be okay with it like for them going and doing it or their wife do it with them? Maybe they could give you advice on how they sort of got their wife into it, right? That would be interesting too. So if someone wants to contact you, they could email me at Shigli Anonymous podcast at gmail.com. But let me know if you're what you ever crossed that line and get her because you've never wrestled with her, right? no I would not be opposed to doing

no but you have to let her know that it's something that you want to do like that she needs like so that she does it for you do you know what I mean like you need to let her know that this is something that you want to do with her and then she would do it because it's something that you want right like and you said maybe there's a trade off you know but like I think you brought it up you threw it out there she was kind of open to it but once you got the vibe that she wasn't and it wasn't going to work you let it go right But somehow you have to bring it back up and let her know that this is something that you do want to do with her.

Yeah. Listening to you talk and just talking openly now about it. I'm hearing myself, convincing myself in a way that, yeah, this conversation needs to be. I need to have this conversation. Yeah. And just start doing it. And like if you're, she's the Dom, like, you know, if it has to be you taking the lead and getting her to be into it, maybe just do the switch for her just to see maybe that, you know, where she's the sub and you're the. Dom and be, you know, just if you have to do that even in the beginning, I know that that's not

your ultimate fantasy, right? But maybe she would like that. If you start off like that, then maybe you could switch her into being the other thing for you, right? So maybe you even have to go that way and let her be you in the situation to show her what you enjoy, you know? Yeah, no, absolutely. Right?

So that's another way to look at it. But you're going to get even a lot more out of it when you listen to this as a third person. You'll see. That's what happens a lot of time. And hopefully I'll get some people emailing with some advice on how you could sort of broach it again with your wife. But I think you need to start wrestling with her. You should, you do. Why not? Okay. Seriously. All right. All right. I'm all in.

All right. Cool. Good luck. And thanks so much for calling you. This was an interesting topic because I, like I said, I've never really had this topic on before. And I think it's probably like really super popular. So I'll keep you posted and forward you some emails when I get them. Oh, I appreciate that. All right. Thanks, Mark. Thanks for playing.

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