Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 328 - Jason is Living out his Bisexual Fantasies with his Wife

Episode Date: March 23, 2020

Jason calls in to talk all about how he's currently living out his bisexual, cuckold fantasies with his wife but eventually wants to live them out in real life. How did he tell his wife he is into guys and how did she react at first? What is the cuckold fantasy all about and does it include humiliation? Is she open to having a threesome with another guy and if so, why haven't they had one already? Tune in to find out plus hear all about how his wife pegs him and how much she enjoys it, how his cuckold fantasy ties into his foot fetish and his pantyhose fetish, how open his wife is about s-e-x and how her openness has helped him to remain monogamous, all the kinky things they have tried together and a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast with Kathy. If you want to follow the Strictly Anonymous podcast on Instagram or Twitter, follow the show at Strict Anonymous. So you wrote in and you have a common, I mean, your story's going to be totally different because, you know, every person is unique and has their own specific story. But it's similar to a lot of guys, right, that I've had on my show, where, you know, because you are a guy who's married, right? And you have a fantasy about being with another guy. Now, different than a lot of my colors,

you've actually spoken about this with your wife, right? And we'll talk about that. And she has kind of been, like, I mean, but you never did anything about it, right? I'm wondering, I have a bunch of questions, but one of my first questions is, have you ever, like, experience that fantasy? Have you ever been with a guy before you were with your wife?

for is it something that's always sort of been a fantasy? So a little bit before we were married, I was, but it was like a, I don't know, kind of a weird situation because I had never really thought about it. So one day I had gone to one of those adult bookstores. Yeah. And it had a theater in it. And I was just like, oh, you know, I was young. So I was like, what's this theater all about?

and I walked in there and there was of course you know guys jacking off and stuff and I was like I just sat down um and you know I don't know what like I don't know what happened kind of thing it was like right one thing led to another I got it yeah and and then next thing I know I'm like going down on some guy and I was kind of like oh shit oh my god you know and the next thing you I know there was the dick in my mouth yeah yeah basically and It was just kind of like, oh, wow, like, okay. Right, like you don't remember consciously thinking about doing that, right? But yet you did it.

Right. Yeah, so it was kind of weird. But then that was it. And then, like, after that, and, you know, my wife and I had gotten together, you know, then it's like I started to kind of remember that. And I was like, man, you know, that was kind of hot, you know. I wanted to, like, experience it more in a way, like, where it was, semi-planned more so.

And like some of the guys that have been on your show have said, and it, like, honestly kind of struck a chord with me was that I have this weird thing where I'm not, like, I'm not attracted to men. I know that this sounds crazy to people, right? And I've heard it before. The first time I heard it, it did sound crazy to me. But the more I spoke with men about it and the more they explained it, it didn't sound crazy.

So explain away because I think it's really interesting. and it helps people to understand. Yeah, I think it's just one of those things where, like, I don't, like, I don't find, I don't find men attractive. I don't, like, if I, I mean, just like anybody, you know, you could look at somebody and tell if somebody's good looking or not, you know, like, that's the sense of it. Right, exactly. But when it comes to, like, man, you know, I'd like to hook up with that dude or whatever, I don't have, I don't have that thought. Um, I have more so the thought of mainly them lately has been them being with my wife. And then like I like the cuck holding thing, right? So I, you know, kind of service both of them or whatever.

And then as it gets into that, then I start thinking to myself more and more like, oh, I'd like to go down on him and, you know, things like that. So it's more so like the sex with the man, but not anything. help. Right. I know we, I talk about this all the time and like with labels and I think my labeling is outdated, right? And people sort of label things differently nowadays. But what I would say with that is that that's bisexual, right? It's the difference between sort of looking at guys and as the whole package because maybe you're going to potentially fall for them and have a relationship with them. Right. So then you do look at that, you know, I would say a gay guy would look at guys and be able to tell, oh yeah, they're attractive, they're hot.

Like I would want to bring them home to my family. You know that kind of stuff. Whereas when you're just looking, like it's just like a guy's dick that gets you off, that's more like a bisexual thing because you're just sexually attracted to men, but not romantically attracted, right? But like I said, I think my way of defining things is a little outdated, but that's the way I look at it. But also because I know for a fact that you said in your email,

and I'm thinking that you're getting to this, is that you do like to have your toes painted, right there's a little cross-dressing thing going on there so i'm wondering if you also have that thing that i've heard that other guys have whereas like when you're with a guy you like to be like the girl with the guy or do you like to be a guy with the guy yeah so and that and yeah that that's exactly true so like the nail thing is kind of like so i have you know um a foot fetish too but with that it's only it's only like painted toes kind of thing and women. Like I'm not

not men at all. Right. Not hairy feet unpainted. No, no, not at all. So what it ends up is yeah, like and as I was thinking about even like the cross-dressing thing, it's not even necessarily like cross-dressing, right? It's like

you know, panties and stocking or stocking kind of thing to then, yeah, be the girl with the guy. Right? And that that's kind of like it you know there's no real thought of like oh i want to get dressed up and go out to the store or whatever dress is a woman um because i i i don't have you know right you don't want to be a woman all the time but you want to be a woman like sometimes sexually with a man and to feel that sort of other

like feel like you're a woman being dominated maybe by a man instead of the man doing it or something like that i don't know you explain right right right yeah no yeah exactly exactly um so that's kind of where where that and that's been I until I heard one of your the one of the shows here not too long ago it's like when I heard that it was like the light bulb went off and I was like yeah that's exactly how I how I feel about it you know it's dressing up for that moment so interesting for me like I said before I did my show I didn't and before I had somebody on who explained it in that way I didn't even realize like that existed or you know I I didn't see it in that way, right? And then now, ever since, like, I had the first person on talk about that, I've had a lot of guys actually talk about it from that aspect, you know? And it makes sense to me, like I said, when I've heard it explain from the guy's point of view. And it's always kind of like what you say, whereas, like, whatever it is that turns them on about women is what they want to be.

Or, you know, that's the part of the fantasy of when they want to be with a guy. Like for you, it's the feet being painted because, you know, you like to see the women's feet painted, right? I had a guy on recently. I don't know if I aired his episode yet, but it was like he likes women in panty hose. So when he's wearing the pantyos, he's the woman in the pantyhose, right? It's like, it's sort of like a projection. It's in a weird way. Because it's like you don't, like you said, you want to see, you want to be the woman in the way that you like women with the toes and that fetish.

But it's not like you want to be a woman in a dress or panties because that's not like your thing. with women. Does that make sense? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, perfect sense. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So, but how, okay, so before, but let's pick apart that first, you know, before we get into your marriage and stuff, like the first time, that time you said

where you were in the theater, you know, I mean, before that, there were never any times that, like you, when you were looking at porn or anything, that you were able to see, or like experience like that you ever thought about like guys in that way or do you remember anything about that? Well, I mean, I would say the only thing that would be kind of kind of close and was you know when I was younger

and first starting to like, you know, masturbating stuff like that. Like I would kind of, you know, start to like put things in my ass or whatever. Yeah. But it was never really like I said, it was almost more just because it felt good It wasn't like, oh man, I want a dick in my ass.

Right. You weren't thinking like that's a guy. That wasn't what you were doing when you were thinking about it or doing it to yourself, right? Right. Right. Exactly. So it was just kind of like, oh, you know, this feels good. And that was the, and that was that.

And it was just, like I said, it was a weird thing. Because any time I've ever watched porn, you know, up through all that point, it was always, you know, a guy and a girl. I was never, like, the guy was kind of whatever to me. I didn't need the guy to be in it. And so it was like, like I said, it was honestly, it was kind of a, like, I don't know what happened. And then next thing you know type situation. It was kind of weird. And I mean, I'm not going to say that there might have been thoughts there.

I just don't remember them because it was, you know, over 20 years ago. So it was a long time. Uh-huh. But nothing stands out to me that I was ever really like thinking about that until that moment. Right. And then after that, it's interesting that like after that experience, I mean, that you never had another one because I always, I would think that like crossing the line the first time, right,

is always like the hardest. And then after that, it becomes a lot easier, right? So I'm surprised that you didn't keep going back there, right? Because it was like really good and or were you freaked out. Did you ever go back to that same place and have another experience? Or was that the only time? I'm thinking that was the only time, right? Yeah, that was, that was it.

And I don't know if it was more so even. like I was just kind of, I don't know, maybe like confused, like confused by what happened in a way. And I'm kind of like, whoa, yeah, yeah, a little bit. Like, whoa, I don't know what, you know, what this means. I don't know what that was going on. Right, exactly. So I think that that might have been what happened. And then, you know, as the years went on, it might have been that I never did anything because, you know, I got with my wife and then things got serious with her.

And then it just never really kind of led to that. Yeah, but that makes sense that, like, you would do that and be like, what the fuck? Am I gay? Am I not? And then maybe just rather, like, rather than go there, right? You just sort of go into denial about it, right? And then you get with your wife. And, like, I think it's, how did it come up that you were able to be so honest with her?

I think that takes a lot of balls and a lot of guys, you know, can't do that. How did you cop to it? And what was her first reaction? You know, I don't know. we might have been talking about like fantasies or something like that and I mean like I told you on email my wife's pretty pretty amazing um so it was just kind of one of those things we were talking about it and it was even more so like um oh I'd like you know I'd like you to try a strap on or something like that right and then and then she was just kind of like oh okay you know okay and and then that was kind of that right so it was like almost kind of nonchalant in a way that she was like yeah that's fine. Right. It didn't come out.

Like you didn't sit her down all serious and be like, oh, I want to tell you that I'm like into God, right? And it just sort of came up. I think that that's helpful to other people because there are some guys that want to bring it up to their wife. And I think that that is a,

because it happened with you naturally, right? But if somebody wants to pretend it's natural, right, that that would be like a natural progression, right, to just have it sort of come up over time while you're hot and heavy,

right, having sacks and just keep bringing up. different things and it just naturally goes there, right? So was the first thing that happened that? Because I know that you said that you guys have, she has pegged you and that kind of, you've done that. Like, is that where you guys went? And how did that come up and how did she get into it?

So, like I said, I had told her that and she was kind of like, yeah, you know, that sounds, that sounds good. And then we went and got one. And we did it, you know, we did it a few times. And we don't do it all the time because it's kind of hard with, you know, kids in life and stuff. Yeah. But as we've gone on, she started to get more and more, like, turned on by it.

Uh-huh. And I think for her, like, it turns her on because it turns me on kind of things. That's, like, that's more her personality with sex. It's not necessarily, like, she's not dominant at all. Right. So just that aspect of how I feel when we're doing it is what kind of is what gets her off. And then she just starts asking questions of like, you know, like, would you make out with a guy for me and would you do this? And that, you know, like, would you go down on a guy?

Would you let a guy, you know, fucking yes, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it just kind of keeps going that way. So she asked me those things. And then, you know, I'll kind of tell her, yeah, you know, I would do almost whatever in a way. and, you know, then she gets, you know, cornerier as we're going, and then that's kind of, and then we kind of finish, you know, after that. Right, and then it never goes into the place where you wanted to go, which is, you know, actually having the experience with a guy, right?

I mean, she's down for it when you're talking about it, when you're in the heat of the moment, right? But after that, you guys haven't yet really set it up where you get to actually be with a guy. Right. Right. Yeah. So with her, the main thing, like, so I didn't tell you this in the email, but like a few years ago, we had talked about doing like the swinging thing. And this is before I realized kind of more where I was at with all of this.

And so we had talked about doing that. And, you know, we had met this couple. and we started like talking to them on the phone and stuff and I don't know how it came up even with the with the wife with this other couple the wife she had asked me something about my wife using a strap on or something like that and I was like oh yeah you know and my wife was shocked that I said that to her but I was kind of like I don't know like I guess I thought everybody was like freaks like we are so who cares

kind of thing um but and then she had asked like if she could use it on me and I was like yeah you know that's fine whatever and but it was like as we start to get closer and closer to actually like meeting up with them for you know to hook up and stuff I kind of got more to the point where I was like I'm not really interested in that right you got a little freaked out yeah but it wasn't even necessarily freaked out it was just like I'm not interested in having sex with the wife but I want I want the husband to have sex with my wife right uh-huh that wasn't what you were into Yeah, yeah. So I realized at that point, I was like, well, wait a minute. This isn't what, like, this isn't what I'm into.

Yeah. And I try to explain it to my wife. And then she's like, oh, well, I feel, like, I'd feel weird because then I'm having sex with this guy and then you're not having sex with a wife. And I'm trying to explain to her, like, that's not what I'm looking for and that's not what I want. Yeah. And I think something, like, I don't think she really understood and understands what I mean by that. And maybe sometimes I don't know, thinks that I'm not being honest about it or something. But so it's been kind of like that. And as we've gone, as I've gone through the years now, I realize that like the cookholding thing is way more like of a turn on to me.

And that's that's what I think about. And that's what I've brought up with her lately. So even at that point, it's not really about me like setting up an encounter to hook up with a guy. Because, like, that's weird to me. That's not what I'm, that's not what I'm looking. I'm not saying the people that do it are weird, but, like, to me, it's not. What gets you off? Your thing, your specific thing is that you want a guy with your wife.

Because I know you said that, like, you've done, like, you've mocked up the fantasy, right, with your wife. You've gone as far as you can with the fantasy because, like, you'll, like, come in her, right? And then go down on her, right? Like, you've done those kind of things where it's sort of like what you would be doing if a guy was there. And that's what it is that you want. her and the guy and you. Yeah. So she should know.

So, yeah, I do think it's hard for a woman, and maybe you haven't explained it properly with her of what you're looking for, to think that, like, and to feel comfortable with the fact that, you know, you're going to be okay, right, with her being with somebody else if you're not, right? Like she could be a little freaked out that maybe afterwards it would bother you, you know?

I understand. And I think, I mean, lately we've had, you know, some other conversations. And I think that she's starting to understand why I'm coming from a little bit more. What have the conversations been? It's just been more so, like, she's kind of asked me things of like, hey, well, you know, once again, it's like, well, what are your fantasies or whatever? We'll go through those. And then I'll tell her that. I'll tell her about the cuckolding thing.

And, you know, I've told her, like, the thought of, like, her. kind of, like, humiliating me in a way is exciting. Humiliating you in one way. I'm just kind of like, you know, telling her friend, like, oh, yeah, you know, and sometimes I like to bend them over and fuck him in the ass and things like that. And, you know, like, make me go to the nail salon with her and get a pedicure and have them paint my nails. Like, so they, you know, kind of talk about it behind my back kind of thing. interesting. That is very

cuddling. Because a lot of guys will be like, I like the cuckolding thing, but I don't want the humiliation aspect of it. It's a big part of it a lot of times, right? And you definitely like that and want that. That's a part of your fantasy, right? Yeah, exactly. And she's made the comment to me, like, that she's not interested in that, you know, because she's not, like I said, she's not that dominatrix type of person. Mm-hmm. And I've said that's fine.

And I told, so we had this whole long conversation not too long ago where I told her about, you know, the humiliation thing. And, you know, we brought up the like painted nails and stuff like that again. Yeah. And then afterwards, she was like, well, you know, we need to talk because I don't know if, like, if I'm what you want and stuff. And, you know, then I had to explain to her, like, I'm of the mindset. Like, I'm going to tell you what the stuff is. I'm not saying like that's what I that's what I'm into right that's what I would like to do if you want to do some of that then right if you don't then that's okay too but I don't want to like I get I get in the point where you know we've been married for over 20 years now um so I don't want to get in the point where it's like I'm living through all these years with like oh I wish we would have talked about this and have all these regrets about things and I'm I'd rather just say it and then, you know, she can kind of pick and choose what she's into and what she wants to do.

And then we can go from there. Yeah. I mean, listen, you guys have like an amazing communication. And listen, she's the human being and she's not in your head, right? So, of course, she's going to have a little insecurity. I mean, a little insecurity about it. I mean, most of women would have a lot of insecurity about it, especially because a lot of times guys don't really communicate that well, right? But you obviously do because, you know, you have explained to her and she just has, is not,

she's kind of down for a lot of things. And she's only a couple times she's brought up stuff that she's a little confused about, right? So you must be explaining yourself well. But of course, she's going to be a little, like a little bit, have some doubts, right? Like I said, because she's not totally in your head. But I think, you know, just continuing to talk about it and be as open as you are and always reassuring her when those insecurities of hers come up is what you to do and that's obviously what you do do right so I mean like have you as she okay now with the fact that does she know like

she's totally all that you want because it's not like you're looking for another girl it's like everything that you have from her as far as like what you could get from a woman is great right it's like she's yeah the perfect woman for you I mean it's going to be it would be hard for you to find another woman like her no exactly And I've told her that And, you know And she said, you know, she has like some body issues.

So I think like if she was in a different place like self-esteem wise, then it would be like game on kind of thing. Because she's sort of made some of those comments to me. So I think that that's what would happen. But at the same point, like you never know. What comments? Like just that, you know, she doesn't feel. good about her about herself you know and we're in our mid 40s right okay and so before when she was

younger before she had like body issues she was more down for things I mean because that happens with women and that's going to definitely you know and I've heard that from a lot of guys who have women around that age right like they feel like if they maybe felt better about themselves they'd be more into sort of exploring stuff right and maybe if they were younger you know what woman gets in her 40s and things start to change and it definitely can affect their self-esteem and their confidence and then which goes into their sex life right yeah was she yeah definitely no go i'm sorry go ahead no you go ahead no i was going to say she so she says even now that she would but she like she wants to lose weight first and stuff like that so i think i think now if she was in a place

that she felt better about her then she would do it. But she's just got to get to that point where she feels better about herself. Right. And when you say she would do it, she would be open to having that cuckling experience just with you and another guy. Yeah. Yeah, that's great.

I mean, listen, you are so far ahead of the curve. And like I always say a lot of my show that I think it's a lot easier for the younger generation, to be honest, because they're living in a different world. You know, for somebody like you, I'm in, I'm a little bit older than you, you know, when you were growing up, you know, it was very hard to put these kind of things out there. So I give you credit that you and your wife have been able to be so open with stuff that you're into. And, you know, you've both been able to let your freak flag fly through your whole marriage. And that's like really great, right?

It's what a lot of people don't have. And people could learn from you talking about how to, like I said, you know, because stuff came up naturally with you and your wife. but people could make that happen by bringing stuff up the way you have, right? But it's just been over time. You didn't just lay it out there. Now, the whole marriage that you, you know, you've been with her for 20 years, you said, and you were with that guy, you know, over 20 years ago, I'm assuming. This whole time that you've been married, have you done anything with guys?

Like, or, like, how do you, or do you just basically satisfy that fantasy by being with her and, you know, doing the fantasies with her by yourself? You know, instead of it. I just satisfied with her. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, it's just been with her. I mean, and she like, you know, she likes to, you know, finger me and stuff like that. So we do that and, you know, she'll talk about it.

You know, she'll talk about like, oh, I want to see you with a guy while she's doing it and things like that. But that's great. I have to say that's like there's a lot of guys and I'm sure, I'm assuming you've listened to those episodes because they're like they're guys like you, right? There's a lot of guys that I've spoke to recently that feel like so bad about. actually living out their fantasy with guys behind their wives back, but they, you know, their wives don't know or they're not into doing what they want to do. So once in a blue moon, when they can't take it anymore, they go out and do something with a guy. And then they feel like shit. And they really want to be somebody like you, somebody who can be open about it and their

wife is into it. So they could live that out with their wife. And they don't have to go do it. You know what I mean? You don't, you haven't had to suppress your fantasies or what you're into. So there's no reason for you to go behind her back, right? Because you could talk it out. And that really goes to show women out there, right? That if you, if your guy's like saying, like, he wants to be pegged or do those, you know what I mean? Maybe you want to just do it for him because then he's going to be less likely to go and do that behind your back, right? Over time.

Exactly. I mean, just like the, you know, the woman you had on not too long ago that, you know, was into like pegging her man or whatever. I think that for my wife, my wife gets very turned on by it. Yeah. Like, almost to the point where she'll do it for a little bit and she's like, you know, we got to go. Like, we got to do this now.

Right. And you said she wasn't, she's not a dom, right? She's not a dominant. She's not dominant, but she likes that it turns you on. And that's what, because there's been some guys on. Like, I don't think my wife's going to be into it because she's not dominant. She's a submissive. But you don't know until you try it, right?

Like, was your wife, like, I don't think you thought your wife would be totally into it. Maybe she didn't even know. But once she did it, then she got into it because she saw how into it you were, right? Yeah, exactly. So she was able to, in a way, kind of like roleplay herself in a way. So like for her, I think she just kind of creates a situation where mentally she's on the outside looking in kind of thing. If that makes sense.

Totally. So I think that that's how she, you know, how she. how she views all of it and she gets herself. Like I said, really, really turned on. Right, she's just being somebody different for like a little, a little bit of the time. And that's what I've tried to tell. These other guys that are like,

oh, but my wife's submissive. She's not going to be down for it. It's like she might not be down for it 100% of the time, but every now and then she might realize she likes that, you know, just like maybe every now and then you want to paint your fucking toenails, but it's not something you want to do all the time, right? Like, it doesn't need to be who you are always. right but you don't really know that your wife would it maybe enjoy it right especially if you could

really I think you know if you could really relax with somebody and you're really comfortable with somebody the whole turn on about sex no matter what kind of sex you're having most of the time is about like getting the other person off right that's what I would think that's how I feel like you say like oh my wife is the type that like it turns around because it's turning me on you know um I think if you're really able to get out of your own head and get really into sex. Like that's what makes sex hot to everybody, right? So why not do what your guy or your girl is asking you to do, right? Because if it's going to really turn them on, it'll most likely really turn you on.

And I think that that's kind of how we had both viewed it was, you know, it was kind of what, what fantasies did we have that the other one could, you know, could fulfill in some way, maybe not fully, obviously, but in some way to, you know, excite both of us. And like I said, for being married for over 20 years, it's like you have to, you know, you have to be doing something to kind of keep it going. I know, but a lot of people aren't. And that's what's so great about you guys, you know, for real, because you hear so many people that are going and having double lives and stuff.

And it's because they've been with the same person. And they want, you know, the family and everything else. else in their relationship to stay in tech, but like sexually maybe they're not so happy and things haven't progressed or they have, you know, and it's because they keep things so separate and they don't want to bring the stuff that they're into in their relationship because they feel weird about it or whatever, you know, and that's why I like to do my show because I want people to feel more comfortable with letting their freak flag fly, whatever it is. Because look at you, you've been with your wife for 20-something years and she knows all the stuff

that you're into and she wasn't like, holy shit and run for the hills, right? And you haven't had to live a double life, right? You're totally happy, and you guys have a great sex life. You just, you want to maybe now take it to the next level. And most likely that's going to happen. Like you said, your wife just needs to get in fucking shape. You need to help her lose the weight.

Yeah, no, I mean, exactly. And, you know, she did early on, you know, when I brought up some of it to her. I mean, she would ask all these things. She's like, wait a minute, you know, like, are you gay kind of thing? And so it did take some, it did take some explaining. And I think sometimes she didn't really believe me. Yeah, for sure.

Because like you, like you had said, with our, you know, with our generation and, you know, we're close enough in age that it was like you're either straight or you're gay, right? And if you, you know, if you want a dick in your ass, you're gay where I think stuff has changed a little bit now to where that's not necessarily the case. Like there's so many other things in between. Yeah. Right. And I think now she's starting to understand that. Like as she's asked me and I'm like, no. And then I've explained it to her and then go on.

And she starts to kind of understand what I'm saying. That's kind of help because now she gets it, like that I'm not that way. Because she told me for a while ago she was concerned that I would want to leave her for a guy or something like that. Of course. And that's totally valid. You know what I mean? That's totally valid. And like I said, and I've said this to other callers, it's just like, you know, that's

going to come up because she's not really in your head, right? She doesn't really know. You know that that's where you're at. But you really need to give that security to your partner. You know, they need that. And you need to give it. And you need to not move further until they do have that security, right? So that it's important for you to explain that it's not like the movies where you just told her.

And she was like, great. No big deal. You know, it took time and you did have to explain. And I think that you have to take those things that your partner says and take them seriously and build that trust and make them really understand and explain. Because I think sometimes like men don't explain really well, you know what I mean? And women need them to. You know what I mean? Women need them to because that's how women are.

And it just, it's a matter of just really making them feel secure. And I think if you did, they'd be down for a lot more. But I think what happens in a lot of relationships that isn't happening with you and your wife is people say things and then the other person doesn't say anything back or they don't communicate 100% and then things just, you know, don't get resolved, right? So when your wife did bring those things up and her reservations about it instead of you just sort of letting it go and stop there and her not, like you just kept explaining until she was okay with it and then you were able to move forward, right? No, exactly. And like you said, I mean, I think that that's the thing that's kind of important with it is when she, when she says that and I explain it. And then every once in a while, she'll still say that kind of stuff. And I'm like, and it's still, I know that it's hard for somebody that's not, you know, in the situation that like me or some of your other callers have been in to know that it's not, like that I'm not physically attracted to men.

And I try to explain that. And it doesn't make sense to her. I know it doesn't. But you should listen to some of my episodes. Yeah, I know. Well, that's like when I stumbled on to your show. I was like, oh, my God. I thought it was just me that felt like this, right?

And I hear that all the time now, and it's so true. Because for you, like, when it's you, you feel weird that you're like, but I'm not attracted to men. So how can I want to do this with a man? Like, I don't understand it either. Right. Right. It's confusing to even you.

but hearing other people really say it. It clarifies what you really know about yourself, really, is that you're not. But when it doesn't make sense and you think you're the only person, maybe you think you're fucked up or you don't really know or there's something else going on, right? And I think that that's what's, that's why I do like to do my show and I do think, you know, I mean, listen, I started to do my show because I really like to actually help people. And I was always wanted like a call and advice show and it's like maybe you're not calling in for advice. but I think you telling your story does actually help people.

Not only does, you know what I mean? It helps people listening because they have that same experience that you're having, which is like, oh my God, this person feels exactly the way I do. Maybe somebody explains it in a certain way that you're like, it makes it more clear for you even, right? Because sometimes it's hard to figure out your own self, right? So I think like women, you know, should know these things too. I mean, listen, sometimes it's opposite, right?

and the woman's in this position. She doesn't know how to explain it to the guy. But I think a lot of times, who I'm talking to is like from the guy's point of view, right? And they're married to somebody who might not understand. But I, you know, but I think, like, communication always key. And I think being realistic and knowing that, like, when you say, oh, but every now and then, my wife still brings it up,

that totally makes sense. You know what I mean? That's how human beings are. Like, you don't just get to a place and, like, every day you feel secure and every day you just know the truth, right? Like there could be a day where you're feeling like more insecure. Something could come up and then you don't. But the fact that she's able to bring that up and talk to you about it

and you could give her that security again, as you should, is cool. Instead, where I think a lot of times what a guy does or, you know, they just think that a woman shouldn't be feeling that way or doesn't want to deal with that. So they just go and, you know, just do stuff behind someone's back or whatever. That's like the solution to that kind of problem. where the solution is. Just give that person that security that they need, right? And then you're going to get a lot more back from that.

And I think one of the things I've realized, you know, from my wife and, you know, not that I know how a lot of women are with this stuff. But I think for men, I mean, we don't realize how freaky women are. Right. And I think sometimes, like, you have to say that stuff because then next thing you know, they're like, yeah, that sounds good to me, you know. And it's like surprising. but you never gave them the opportunity.

And the last thing they want to do is, right. And most women are not going to bring that shit up that they really like maybe. Because the big fear is that they're going to be horrors, right? I mean, there's a lot of that in society. I still think it happens nowadays, but it was like 10 times worse when we were younger, right? So women had to really repress all the things that they were into sexually because if they brought that up, it was like, well, you were either like the whore or you're like the wife. You know what I mean?

Like you couldn't be both, right? Yeah. Or else maybe a guy wouldn't like you. And there's a lot of guys that actually feel that way. I mean, I've heard it on my show plenty of times, like, where I've talked to a guy about, like, why can't you bring this into your marriage, you know? And it's like because I wouldn't want my wife to be that person, right? Like they have it. A guy's have things very separate.

So I think it's, you know, women are not the only ones buying into that. Men are too. right you guys absolutely right so you had to bring it up and let her know that it's okay she and i think that was a little bit of that part of her that was like a little insecure about having just her be with a guy and not you because there's like maybe that fear that you would look down on her right because a lot of guys might might be that way do you know what i mean it's just a fact yeah no absolutely and i and you know and i've tried to i've tried to explain it to her and i think now she's she's gotten to the point where she understands that the swinger thing is not what I want to do.

I think she would do it, but now, like, no, I think she would do it even with her body issues now. But I think now she's starting to understand more that I, like, that's not what I want, that I'm not interested in that. Well, let me ask me this. Does she have any fantasies about being with a woman herself or anything like that? So she has, she has said that she does and kind of like one of your, one of your callers said, for her, it's like she won't go down on a woman, but, you know, she wants to play with tits and everything. Yeah. And, you know, so we've talked about that.

Uh-huh. And I think if we ever did, like, you know, a threesome or whatever, per se, that that would be the first step actually is, you know, her with a woman. Oh, okay. Instead of you with a guy. But, yeah, yeah, because I think that she would feel a little bit more comfortable. for sure um in that but i don't but at the same point like i don't ever really i don't know that i really see that happening right you know because there's like no movement in that direction but she's just made those comments to me in the past yeah and unfortunately it's a little bit hard

it would be it's it's it would be it's harder it is harder to find that woman for the threesome than the guy for sure just yeah it's just the way that it goes you know what i mean they call it the unicorn and that girl, you know. But if you have a couple, right, if you wind up eventually when she is more comfortable to do what you're really looking for, which is the guy, maybe, would you be down for it to be a couple? Yeah, I mean, we could, I think at some point, I mean, we could do that, yeah. Right.

Like, I don't have a problem with it, you know, it was just kind of, like I said, in that moment, I was just, this isn't necessarily what I, what I wanted to do. And it might not have been, like the couple might not have. necessarily been right, you know, but... When you were into the guy, what are you, like, looking for? Is there a specific type? Like, you know, what's your thing that you would be looking for if you guys were, like, looking for the guy to come in as that other person?

I don't know that I really care, honestly. I don't think I have a... I don't, you know, because honestly, like I said, it doesn't matter to me, like, how they look. Like, I just don't, you know, as long as they're... I don't really I don't really have a type But you're the bottom right in this scenario Have you ever done the whole thing where you

Get your nails painted with your wife? Have you ever Gone or does she do it with you at home? No, she'll do it with me at home or make me Or I'll do it myself But I haven't gone with her now Right I remember when I was really young I had a boyfriend and we would just be like trapped in his house Because we were like super young

And I used to paint his toenails And then we would forget And like his friends would come home and I'd be like, oh my God, you like, I forgot. Like you got fucking red nail polish on your toes and like your guy friends were over. And do you know what I mean? Like I don't know. We were just playing around. But like I don't, you know, I just wonder now looking back, you know, that he was down for that.

But so you guys do that with each other, but you've never gone out and had that where. Because would it be like if you were going in the nail place? Because you can mock that up with her, right? That's not about, you know, that sort of fantasy. about being humiliated, right? Like it could be just you and her at the nail place, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, but, you know, like I said,

I think for me at that point, though, there's still something about, like, I don't know, like somebody knowing in a way, like somebody knowing that. So it's funny because the same thing that would concern her is what turns me on about it. So she's concerned that people would see it and be like, oh, well, he's gay or whatever,

and that, like, turns me on. about it, you know. So we're like polar opposites of it when it comes to that because that part of it is what's exciting to me. Right, exactly. I get it. I mean, that makes sense from her aspect because it's not really exciting her, but that's it. And have you explained that to her?

Yeah, yeah, but I know that she, there's no way. And that's okay. Right, because really what you could do privately would be enough, right? Like you don't know. Right. going to the nail salon is just a tiny little part of it that is no big deal really right what would be much more of a bigger deal would be to have that other guy and that's something that you would be doing privately right yeah yeah exactly because you know i wouldn't you know

it's not like you you sit around and you talk to your friends about oh yeah you know i hooked up with this dude last night or whatever like that's not you know really in the card so that's like in you know behind closed doors thing which is fine with me obviously Yeah, for sure. And I'm sure for her, too. I mean, you got, nobody knows about this except you and her, right? I mean, yeah, that's it, just the two of us. Yeah, no, I mean, and she, and do you, like, she has always pegged you, she, you've been the bottom, right? Like, does she, like, anal stuff? Like, do you do stuff to her, or is it always her doing stuff to you? Yeah, I would, I mean, I will, we'll do whatever with the two of us, right?

There's no real, like nobody's not into this kind of thing. Yes. There's the two of us. Yeah. I mean, it's probably one of those very rare marriages that I've had it in my ass more than she's had it in her. But, you know, but yeah, I mean, we'll still do it from time to time. Right.

I know I had on a guy recently. I think I maybe just aired his episode where he was like really wanting to be. begged by his wife. Did I just air him yet? And, uh, but he couldn't like get her to do it. And I was like, have you ever done it to yourself? And he was like, no. And I like didn't believe him. Like we had this whole thing where I was like, you really like while you're home alone, you know, and this is what you really want, never do anything. And you said that you had done that kind of stuff, right? Way before you met your wife. Yeah. Like when I was, when I was a kid, I did. Um, and And then even as I've gotten older, sometimes I have, but it's kind of funny that now that we, I mean, she fingers me pretty frequently.

Yeah. So it's not necessarily one of those things where I'm like every time where I'm masturbating and I'm like, oh man, I need something in my ass, you know? Right. Right. But I mean, but at the same point where I thought it was funny when you were talking about that episode and you were like, this doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah. Like, it honestly doesn't make any sense to me. either as somebody in that situation

because, I mean, if I was sitting there masturbating and I'm like, you know, I really feel like having something in my ass, something's going in my ass at that point. Yeah, that's why. I mean, I could get why you wouldn't bring it up to someone, you know, when you're with somebody, but when you're by yourself to say you feel uncomfortable, I don't understand being

uncomfortable by yourself, but like, who knows, right? Like, I told people like, please write in and let me know what you think because I thought he was, I thought maybe like, you know, because sometimes I think people don't mean to lie or hold back on things, but, you know, he might have just been a little freaked out by the fact that he had and didn't bring it up and then had to, like, sort of commit to it, and I kept questioning him, but I thought he was kind of lying. I don't know. You don't know. No, I, I mean, like I said,

I agree with you. Because you were somebody that did that, right? Like, and you experienced it before you ever had it with your wife. You were doing that kind of stuff to yourself, by it when you you're by yourself. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And like I said, and even to now,

I mean, I don't do it that much to myself now because they're like not really, yeah, there's not a need to. But there has been times where if she's been gone

or whatever for a while and I was like, man, it's, you know, it's been too long since I've done that, then I will. Yeah, I mean,

I suggested to him, like, if you haven't, like, maybe really try it because like, you know, how do you even know if you're into it, right?

If you've never even tried it, right? Like, I mean, just you could explore that on your own, right? And see what it's all about and whether you like it or not, you know? And it's not that hard to do. You know, I said, like, take a half hour and try it by yourself, right? Because like you said, if you're, you don't, it's not pent up in you because you're able to experience those things with your wife. But for that guy, it was because he had, you know, it's what he really wanted and he wasn't getting it fulfilled at home.

or like with himself, right? But, you know, I think that that's why people, if that's what they're thinking about, you know, if you want to keep it, if you want to remain monogamous and not go out there, I think there's a lot of stuff you could do with yourself to sort of live out your fantasies, right? But I think the ultimate goal is what you have with your wife,

which is to keep all that stuff in your primary relationship, right? So you don't have to go looking for it someplace else. And that, but so many people, especially our age, don't have that going on, you know. You do. Yeah. Right. No, absolutely.

You know, you're lucky. You and your wife, were you guys always super open with each other from day one? Yeah, I mean, because even the, I would say the first time when we talked about, you know, the fantasies, and I brought that up, we, we hadn't been together a year. I mean, it had only been maybe a few months. Right. Mm-hmm. And so yeah, I would say when it comes to sex with some of that. I mean, it might take a little bit long.

It might take some time for some of the other stuff to come out. Yeah. You know, but I would say, I mean, the kind of bottom line of it, we've been pretty open and honest with each other. Yeah, no. And I don't know. Like, would you tell her that you were on the show or would this be a total secret? This would be a total secret.

Right. Because, I mean, I don't know that she would necessarily care, but I think at the same point, like, the kind of shock on her face when I told her, like, when she heard me tell that, you know, the wife and that other couple about the begging, that she was just kind of like, what did you just do? Right. She wanted it being, remain very quiet. Yeah. But then after a while, she was like, she didn't care. But initially, she was shocked by it. Yeah, for sure.

I would probably just keep this secret. Only because I think like, you know, if she ever, you can't do it now because you're going to be on the show and there's going to be your episode. And even though I change your voice, maybe she would be like, oh, that's fucking him, right? Because these are the things. So you don't want her to know about my show.

But like if you weren't on it, you could have, you know, allowed her to like, like you could have said, hey, listen to this guy. Like he's exactly like me, you know, and had her listen to these other guys that have the same thing you do, whereas they like to be with a man, but they're not gay. They're completely straight, right? They see themselves.

And when they're with a guy, they're as like a woman. It's not them as a guy with a guy. You know, so she could really sort of understand it, right? But maybe there's a way to do that without this. I mean, or just do what you've been continuing to do, which is whenever her insecurities come up, she's bold enough to bring it up to you and say it to you. And then you're able to explain it away and really sit there and talk to her about it, right?

and so that she feels better about it. Yeah, and like I think that she's at the point where she understands because a lot of the, a lot of the like, are you more into men than you're into me kind of thing has gone away because she sees that that that's not the case. You know, obviously that still keeps up for her every once in a while. Like you said, I completely understand it because for a lot of people it's not normal, like to hear, like it's not normally talked about, right? So you don't think about it.

It doesn't make sense. It doesn't really make sense. It didn't make sense to me. I think the first time someone explained it and then it did. Like you really have to hear it really explained out for it to really be clear, you know? And I think a lot of times guys aren't good at explaining things. People aren't. You know what I mean? Just the way that it goes.

Right. No, absolutely. And we all have those like preconceived notions from long ago, right? That if you have sex with a man, you're gay. Yeah. And while, like, didn't you realize that that's, you know, that that's not true? So that's what gets you concerned about with yourself, right? So if I would have, when I had that first experience, been able to kind of rationalize it and think through what was going on,

then I wouldn't have been freaked out, right? But then the fact that I'm like, oh, my God. Yeah, you weren't clear about it yourself. Am I gay? Yeah. So you could understand why she would feel that way. And, like, because you're you and you're in your head, you're going to have that security now because you've been living with them. and you've been able to clear it for yourself,

but you could understand if it took you that much time to figure it out yourself, it's going to take her some time. And that's what people have to understand. You know, I always say this to a lot of the guys. It's like, of course, she's going to be freaked out because she's not in your head. She doesn't know. She's not clear about it. You're going to have to really explain it to her.

You know, and that's a big part of getting through those hurdles, you know, and that could comment different parts of the journey of like really opening yourself up, right? And that's what it has been for you, right? That's the reality of it. It doesn't, it's like one conversation. She's like, yeah, and then it's a fine. Even with swingers that have been, like, successful. It's not like things don't come up every now and then

and insecurities and jealousies. You know, it's not so black and white, right? Absolutely. And that's, you know, and that's why when she, when she says those things, I try to come to it from how I felt, like, initially, you know, like, you know, I get that it's kind of confusing or whatever. and I explain like no I'm not attracted to men but I still think that there's some times she's like I think he's lying to me about it so you could say listen I'm attracted to men like

but for that specific time and that fantasy but no other time just in that in that role it's like a role play right and that's it right yeah yeah I mean and I think it's funny too though because it gets kind of hard to to explain through it you know like I think most of the guys that have called you, obviously, are all like the bottoms in that situation. So then that becomes hard to explain too, right? Like, because you get to the point where it's like you're so used to being like masculine in the man. And then you're trying to explain to your wife that you want a guy to fucking nap. And it's hard to like, you know, it's hard to explain that in a way that would make sense to them if they're, like you said,

if they're not in your head. Because it's something that I'm sure. sounds crazy. And I think that they're afraid also because they're worried about the fact that maybe their wife, you know, because they feel like, oh, my wife is really into really manly men. Like, I'm a really manly guy and that's what she's down for, right? So how is she going to still be attracted to me if I want to be, you know, the opposite of that once in a while, right? Right. And I think the thing that I've tried to explain to her, I was like, look, you say that it feels good, you know, when I'm, when I'm fucking you in the ass, like, how do you not think that

that's how it feels for me? Yeah, that's what I say. Sure, right. It's the same. I mean, everyone's assholes were the same, right? I was always into it and stuff. So I was always like, guys, if I would try to do stuff and they were like, no. And I'd be like, I like, you're so stuck on like this whole gay thing or whatever, which I

think is just so rude. But like, you know, if you could get past that, it's like, there's no way it wouldn't feel as good for you as it does for me. It's all assholes are the same. right but people are just so tight yeah exactly and that's what i like that's what i try to explain and you know and then it's funny because at first you know it would say be like you know she would use one finger or something like that and then i'll be like well you know we should try to kind of thing and then that's kind of like right and then for her she's like wait what the fuck

yeah you want a dick i mean your finger right because now it's starting to be like a dick right right yeah yeah exactly you know but you're kind of like you know it feels it feels better like two feels better than one i don't know what you want how else i can explain it yeah yeah so you know it gets it gets kind of it gets tough but at the same point i mean like i said i'm i'm i'm lucky enough that you know it's been a while actually since we've used the strap on just because of life but you know we do it and it and it kind of it fulfilled that need sometimes, you know. For sure. You're like living at a lot of my callers fantasy,

which is that your wife will do that and she does it for you. And because like you've had it and you can have it, it's not like this urge in you that eventually you have to go and do it. And that's what happens. You know, that's what I've had a lot of guys on that talk about. It's like they don't, and that's the guy. Listen, some people cheat and they don't give a shit and it's just how they're going to live their life.

But I have a lot of guys that call in that they don't want to. It's really makes them feel bad, right? but it's just that they have this desire that's going unfulfilled because they're either keeping it to themselves or their wife doesn't want to get into it too. And then they get so pent up and it just drives them to go out and cheat and then they feel bad. And it's the same vicious cycle that goes on and on. And really the solution to that is you have to bring that, you know, bring what you're into into your relationship with your wife. And I, you know, and I know that that's difficult for people, especially the longer you've been with each other because it's kind of like,

Like if you haven't brought up anything that you're into, right? How do you all of a sudden tell somebody that thinks that they know you so well that you have this whole other side? But I think it's like what happened with you over time is it's like a natural progression, right? And to talk about it, you're not going to sit someone down at the table and be like, I need to have a conversation with you, right? But if you bring it up with like you're in the heat of passion and you're doing it and you're like talking dirty, right? Like that's a way to bring stuff up. I had a guy on recently Chuck who talked about how he got his wife to squirt and like how they did. And really the transformation in their sex life happened after they were able to be more,

have more dirty talk. It was just about them talking more dirty while they were together. And then it helped them to start exploring these things and lose their inhibitions, right? So sometimes it's just a matter of like talking about things, right? Maybe. And having them come up during that time and then over time, you know, before you know it, your wife's pegging you in the ass. But you don't start there, right?

Right. No, exactly. I mean, and I think that that's been the thing for us. Since it's been, you know, little things over time and it's been, you know, in the heat of the moment and dirty talk that, you know, obviously, you know, you're not drunk so you remember it, but you're kind of drunk because you're sex drunk. Yeah. Right. So then it's easier to talk about it and then it's out there, right? And it's been said. And then I think the thing that's honestly for me at least, so. afterwards if she asked me, like, so is that really what you want? And, you know, you have to, you can't be like, no, that's, you know, you have to say like, yeah, you know, I'd be down for that. Right.

You have to have that conversation. You have to, and you have to allow for that. Right. Yeah, the afterwards, because of course she's going to have questions afterwards, right? Yeah, you have to expect that. She's not. Yeah. Yeah, she's not just going to be like, um, he said this, but he doesn't really mean it.

But, you know, what happens, though? But, but what does happen? And both sides of things is that they talk about that when they're sort of drunk sex, right? Like you're drunk with the, in the sexual time. But then it, they both want to sweep it under the rug, right? She doesn't want to, I get a lot of times that I get that the woman doesn't want to ask questions because she's afraid of what it means, right? And that could happen.

People want to live in their little bit of denial. And it doesn't serve anybody, you know, I'm a more straightforward up front, put it on the table kind of person. But I think a lot of people, and you and your wife obviously are, right? but I think a lot of people aren't, especially more old school people, right? And, you know, that might come up, and I've heard this a lot from guys that call in. But then the wife doesn't ask like a million questions afterwards, you know? So what is she living with, you know, and what kind of thoughts?

I'm sure she has those same kind of insecurities that your wife has had or those same questions, right? But if she doesn't say them out loud and the guy doesn't appease her, then they're stuck in that place where nothing's going to be accepted because nobody feels, okay about it. You know, you have to have that trust. And it's all about communication. Yeah. No, absolutely. That's the, you know, like you said and you, you said on all your other shows. I mean, that's the biggest, that's the biggest thing is to communicate it. And when you do, you know, it gives, it gives her at least the opportunity. And that's why I told her when we had this conversation when I laid it all out there about like the cuck holding and the humiliation thing. Yeah. She was like, that's not me. And I was like, I understand that. But, you know, it's just,

want you to at least know where I'm at, you know, because, I mean, for a lot of these guys, if you tell your wife, like, hey, I want you to peg me, she's not going to be like, oh, I'm leaving you, right? Like, that's not going to be the reaction. Right. She might say no. And if she says, no, what's different? If you're cheating on her anyways, what's different if she says, no, I'm not going to do that.

Right. Right. Nothing changed. The only thing that might have changed is now she'll peg you and you don't have to go cheat. Right. Exactly. Maybe she will be down, right? It's like a, you never know unless you try.

Right, right. And that's how I kind of approach it with my life. I'm like, I just, you know, just letting you know that this is where I'm at and whatever we can do in and around this is cool. If not, that's fine too, but I just wanted it out there, you know. Right, but I also think that from where the guy's coming from and what the hesitation from the guy sometimes is, and that's why it's so good for people like you to call up and tell your story is they're not clear about it. They have their own judgment still about themselves, right? So they don't want to bring it up because they might not necessarily even know what it means. And they, you know, they're worried about, they say they're worried about how their wife will feel about.

But a part of it is them not accepting it in themselves yet either, you know? And I think that that's a part of it as well. You know, guys need to be clear of what it means, you know. There's probably a lot of guys that are like you, whereas maybe they tried it or they're doing stuff secretly. And they still don't, they're freaked out about it. They don't know what that means about themselves, you know? and until they know that I think it's going to be hard to really be open about it with somebody else, right? So I think that's why I think this is like a place where this is the type of a situation where the internet is a good thing.

I mean, people could say it's bad for a lot of reasons. But I think one thing that it's good for is it really makes people realize that they're not alone, you know, and that there's so many people out there like them. And, you know, you could get that clarity. Like I said, somebody else may be able to explain how you're feeling better than you are. And it makes a light bulb go off. And it helps for you to understand yourself. Yeah, and that's what I said.

Your show has done that, you know, for me, because it's just been at that point where, like I said, I had that little thing of like, oh, you know, it would be nice to, you know, wear women's panties or whatever. And then I go to the point like, wait a minute, that's not really what I want to do, right? So to hear your show and hear people talk about where they're at with it, kind of it helps me to say, okay, no,

it is only in this situation. Right, because. How would you know unless you really sort of went there and figured it out? But you start the more you're sort of open to it and you're questioning yourself, the more clear you get about yourself. But I think listening. And like people will get that kind of clarity from listening to you too. Yeah.

Hopefully. Hopefully. But it's, and it's definitely one of those things where, you know, like I said, I didn't even know about the cook holding thing for a long, I mean, up until maybe a couple years ago, right? They had never even heard of it. Mm-hmm. And then, you know, I'm searching around and I see. that and I'm like, oh my God, like this is, you know, this is it.

Right. Right. You're like, that's what I'm kind of into. I think I've said this before in my show. Like I had a lot of guys earlier. You know, I've been doing my show, I think five years now. And it's like over time I've had new things pop up and then I have a million people talk about it, you know.

But I remember my first couple times of listening to guys talk about how they were really into watching their wives with another guy and vice versa. You know, and I started to realize, oh, like whenever I had a booty call, I'd be like, tell me about the other girls you were with. Like, I just thought it was because I was, like, bored of them. It would be like, by the time I was, like, bored of them. And I'd be like, and they'd always fucking lie. And I'd be like, you don't understand.

It would, like, turn me on if I heard about it. And I'm like, oh, maybe, you know, when I started hear other people talk about that whole thing, it is a little bit of that, what you're talking about, right? It's like, oh, that makes me realize that I'm into that as well, right? That's where that was coming from. And I couldn't put those things together until I heard other people had, that, who had already put that together in their mind, you know, sort of explain it. And then I made those connections.

And that's what it's all about, right? Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, and earlier on when my wife and I were together, I wanted her to tell me about, like, her previous experiences and stuff, but she would get, like, kind of shy and wouldn't say much. And you're like, no, this is like, it was a good thing. You would, like, it would be a turn on. It's like what you wanted.

It wasn't like, you weren't asking out of the way that most people would think you'd be asking for, right? Right. Like, I'm, like, no, I want all the details. I want to hear everything, you know? Yeah, most people, I told you, when I had the one booty calling, I used to tell him that.

Like, there was no way he was ever telling me about anyone else. And he didn't really understand that that's, and I didn't even really understand. So I wasn't good at sort of explaining it. And he would never tell me that he was with someone. I'm like, no, I'm like, in a weird way I would be into that. But, like, he didn't, there's no way he would believe it because that's not the norm, right?

so it was always like a lie like no I'm not with anyone else but you it's like yeah right you know but he wasn't going to tell me but like and like I said it was until I heard a lot of people talking about being into that kind of stuff that I was able to think like oh I think I'm into that too right that's what that whole thing is and that you know and I would just like throw it out there not knowing where it was really coming from but I was able to get clearer listening to other people so you know and that's what hopefully people will take from this episode I mean you're in a great place I think all you need to do is like, you know, help your girl lose some weight. Tell her to stop eating after like 5.30 and not eat breakfast the next day.

That intermittent fasting, I'm telling you, is the only thing that worked for me. I'm like 51 and I started to go through like perimenopause and like gain weight. And I had never in my life gained weight. I think only one other time when I quit smoking when I was 30. But like really I tried everything, cutting carbs. And the only thing that really worked for me was stopping eating at a certain time because I was always a nighttime eater. but like stopping at like 536 o'clock and not eating again the next day until like 12 or 1 lunch. I never ate breakfast anyway, but that kind of thing really helps women at that age, really lose weight.

It was one thing that really pushed things for me. But a lot of times when you're in a couple, you have to do stuff together. Like you can't just tell her to do that. You know what I mean? Because you guys are going to be eating together. No, definitely. It has to be what you guys do together. So maybe tell her you want to intermittent fast and do it and stop at 536, 630 around there.

And then just skip breakfast. And I'm telling you, it's the only thing that worked for me. And I tried a lot of things. It could really. And then in those time frames that you eat between like 12 and 5 or whatever it is, like you could eat up, you know, but don't eat at night, not one fucking thing. And not in the morning. And you could have coffee.

But try that because once she does lose that little bit of weight, you guys, you know, whenever that is, you'll, you're going to eventually experience what you really want to experience. And I want to hear about it. Let me know. Keep me posted. you know. Oh, definitely. Definitely. So thanks. What did we call you again? What was your? Oh, Jason. Thanks, Jason so much for calling in. All right. Thank you. Thanks, Jason. Bye. All right. Bye. Okay. I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called strictly anonymous confession. Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out until August.

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