Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 330 - John Smith Breaks Down his Pantyhose Fetish

Episode Date: April 6, 2020

John Smith has a lifelong pantyhose fetish and he calls in the explain it in detail. How does a pantyhose fetish get activated in people and how did it get activated in him? What is it about pantyhose... that's a turn on for people and what specifically turns him on? Which pantyhose "color" is the most popular and why? Tune in to find out plus hear all about how he likes to occasionally cross dress, what he's secretly done with guys that involves pantyhose, how his wife feels about his fetish and a whole lot more. Stay tuned at the end when he gives out tips on the best pantyhose to wear, websites to see his videos of him wearing hose as well as his email to get in touch. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at strictlyanonymouspodcast@gmail.com or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous Podcast. Strictly Anonymous Podcast. Conversations with online strangers. We place ads online. The Craigslist is definitely like the gift that keeps on giving. Real people respond. You go to Singapore or Thailand. You can't not do it.
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Starting point is 00:00:31 Here is your host, Kathy. Hey, welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast with Kathy. If you want to follow the Strictly Anonymous podcast on Instagram or Twitter, follow the show at Strict Anonymous. If you want to be on the show, this is a call-in show where I talk to total strangers about all kinds of things. Most of the time, people call in to talk about their naughty secret lives for the first time, like I said, while remaining totally anonymous.
Starting point is 00:00:57 And sometimes people call in because they want my advice. I give unprofessional advice, but I think it's good advice. So if you fall into any of those categories, you want to be on the show, send me an email at Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com or go to strictly anonymouspodcast.com and click on be on the show. I also have people that want to call in and they want to talk to me for whatever reason, right? But they don't want me to air it because they're too afraid. Maybe somebody will recognize them or they just don't want to put themselves out there that
Starting point is 00:01:24 much, but they do want to talk to me. I do offer that for a consulting fee. I charge 200 for a call. Calls last anywhere between an hour to an hour and a half. So if you want to do that as well, send me an email, Shikli Namas podcast atch email. Today I have been a guy named John Smith. I taped John Smith a while ago. I'm still, this intro, I'm taping it during quarantine, COVID.
Starting point is 00:01:49 My PSA is still stay the fuck home so we could all get the fuck out. But I taped his episode a long time ago. Right now I'm finding it hard to find time to tape a lot of people. Thank God I have a lot of episodes taped already. This guy called me a while ago. He was really interested. He's got a big Panyos fetish, but he didn't really want to talk specifically about his fetish. He wanted to talk more in general about the Panyos fetish and explain to me and people out there, you know, why it, like how he experiences it.
Starting point is 00:02:21 And in a much broader sense, like I said, it's not really, he's talking more for all guys that are into Panyos, right? in all guys that have this fetish and how they experience it and what it feels like and what they're into. Typically, I like for my episodes to be much more personal and intimate and just about one person, but I allowed him to go with it and talk about this fetish in a broader sense because I've had so many pantyhose guys on already. It is a very hot topic and I thought why not let him sort of do his thing and see, you know, how that would go, right? I don't have a pantyose fetish, so I don't know if him speaking for everybody is correct, what he's saying, does everyone agree with it? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:03:05 Write me an email and let me know what you think. But I found it interesting. He does get into, though, as well, stuff about him. Like, besides being really into pantyhose, I personally think he's into guys a little bit. He talks about his experience with men and pantyhose, how he likes to wear them a little bit of cross-dressing is in there. and like I said we talk, you know, about some experiences he had, but mostly we talk in general just about the fetish.
Starting point is 00:03:34 And he gets really specific about how people with this fetish experience it. And like I said, it's his take on things. But I think he seemed really smart and he seemed to really know a lot. So I'm assuming that a lot of people will relate to him, but maybe not. I don't know. Send me an email at trickly-dormous podcast at jimel.com if you want to give me your two cents. but anyway I'm going to be right back on with John Smith. How are you doing today?
Starting point is 00:04:00 Welcome to a strictly anonymous podcast. I like your name, John Smith. Is that like the name for the dead people, John Smith, or is that a different name? Is that like a cadaver name? That's just a very popular anonymous name. It's just a very popular anonymous name. And this is the name you've been using, right? You were just telling me this is the name that you've been using
Starting point is 00:04:20 because you do live a double life, right? I do. I do have a double life, and I've been using this name for 20, 30 years. Okay, so how old are you now? And when you started this double life of yours? Well, I'm in my mid-50s. I started this double life when I, you know, when I, after I got married, I had a side of me that, you know, that I didn't feel comfortable letting everything out.
Starting point is 00:04:55 So I decided if I, you know, go on the Internet and create an account and go to a website and you have to create a username and account. So always create a screen name and then always ask for like your real name. So I just created John Smith. Right. And so now explain to everybody what your secret life is all about. Oh, I just, it's obviously a huge, I have a huge pan-hios fetish. Mm-hmm. And, you know, you always ask people on your podcast, I've watched, listen to probably seven or eight of them when I ran across.
Starting point is 00:05:31 And so I listened to them all. And one thing always comes up and always think, oh, gosh, if I ever talked to her, I'm going to tell her this. I think it was probably Alex. One of these guys said, oh, my wife, she said, oh, you care about these pantyhoes. You probably don't love me. It's very important, because I'm so excited to do this show, but it's very important for people listening to understand that. When I say I mean, me and we,
Starting point is 00:05:59 the guys who have this panos fetish. So we, I love everything there is about a woman. I don't want them to think it's just pantos are actually their legs. So, I mean, I love their hair, their eyes. I am so attracted to just beautiful women. but in a sexual sense when we say legs or panties, we're really talking about, you know, when we're getting down,
Starting point is 00:06:23 what turns us on is this. So we love the whole aspect of women's that hope they don't get nervous thinking, oh, these guys who have a panier's fetish, all they care about is pantos. No, we care about the whole package. It's just when we zoom in sexually, that's what gets us, that's what gets us going.
Starting point is 00:06:43 So it's the whole package. and I've heard you make a few comments I'm wondering if you know this too guys are body part guys We all have our own favorite parts Women are different Like I'll hear my wife I'll say What do you think about that guy? Oh I love his butt
Starting point is 00:07:01 And then the next guy go oh he's got a nice chest And whatever it'll be so she'll see a guy And she'll say what about that guy she likes And that's fine Well a guy When we look at women we have a body part that's our favorite. That's our sex zone.
Starting point is 00:07:18 Oh, and you're saying that women, right, no, but you're saying that women have a could have a different body part on each guy. Is that what you're saying? But men have like, if they're a tit guy, they're a tit guy with every woman, right? Right. So here's a deal. I'm a leg man. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:34 I find legs the most erotic, most beautiful, sensual part of a woman's body. So when I look at women, I'm obviously looking at the whole. pack is like I said. So going forward, I would say, I'm going to find the legs that I like. So I'm not going to go, oh, she's got good boobs. I like that. No, I'm like, she's got good boobs. How about her legs? Men are body parts. So if you're a leg guy, that's your turn on. If you're a boob guy, that's your turn on. You'll see other parts of a woman's body, but that part is what drives you crazy. Because I remember you saying to one guy, you said, oh, your point is easy for you, because If you see pantyos everywhere, it's easy for you.
Starting point is 00:08:16 You can get turned on at any time. Obviously, you get turned on by boobs and all that. No, that's not true. If you're, whatever your body part is, that's what turns you on. Yeah, but don't you think, but let me ask you this, don't you think that if we did a survey with all the pantyhoes guys, guys that are into panos that have a panio's fetish, the majority of them would say that they're like foot leg guys? Yes. Yes, that's my point. Legs and feet are what kind of cousins.
Starting point is 00:08:47 I always said what kind of cousins. We're really waist-down guys. But my point is if you have a leg or a foot fetish with the pantos, you see a girl with a good rack, you're going to go, oh, that looks nice. But it's not going to sexually turn you on. Your body part is what turns you on. And that along. All right, but let me ask you this.
Starting point is 00:09:08 So if you see legs, let me ask you this, because you're a leg guy, right? You're also a panty hose guy. When you go to the beach, right, and you see all the girls running around to their bikinis, is it the legs that you're looking at? Does the legs without panty hose turn you on, or is it legs in panty hose? Okay, well, I think this will answer it. I'll kind of go back to the beginning because it's really the legs and pantyos. And here's where it started.
Starting point is 00:09:35 I remember that when I went and it was a third grade, because I love to answer this question about fetish to you in the third grade I'd never forget my teacher name is Miss Taylor Oh my God I'm sorry I'm telling you
Starting point is 00:09:50 I'm in my mid-50s And I remember her I remember her She got a stool She sat in the front of the class She sat down And I am so mesmerized By the way women cross their legs
Starting point is 00:10:01 Even in pants It's just so amazing The way you guys do that It's just mind-boggling That's hilarious That's interesting She's kind of a tammage color skirt
Starting point is 00:10:10 a white blouse. I can still see it. She crosses her legs. And I remember sitting about three rows back and I remember thinking, gosh, her legs just looked so smooth and so soft. My mind, I just couldn't get able to affect the shape and how beautifully, how smooth and silky they look. At this age, there's no sexual nothing. I'm just thinking, wow, that is absolutely gorgeous. So a couple weeks go by and I knows I'm walking by my sister's bedroom there's a crack in the door I look in I see her on the side of bed I'm just kind of peeking in
Starting point is 00:10:45 and I saw her have something and her thought it was a sock she starts to put her foot through it and I realize it's not a sock I realized oh she's putting something on these are panty hose and I saw that look as she slid it up on leg I saw that look change
Starting point is 00:11:01 and I said oh my gosh I love it so here's when you ask me about legs and panty hose fetish Okay I get wilded up here So hopefully not too much But you always ask them
Starting point is 00:11:14 Where did you think you got it Will you born with it I totally believe you're born with it 100% And here's an example I will use If I take a bucket of water And go out to a dirt hill Just pour it on there
Starting point is 00:11:28 The only thing I've made is mud But if I take that same bucket water And I put a seed of a rose bush in there And I pour it It's going to turn into a Rose Bush, but something has to be there first. Right. And so I think we're born with that.
Starting point is 00:11:43 I always thought you're born with 80 and 85% of your personality, and then you mold it after that. And so I think Ms. Taylor's leg was my water. I had a seed in me that I like the certain look. I'm a leg guy. And so when I saw that look on her legs, and then a couple weeks later saw my sister putting something on, I said, oh, there's something creating that look. And that created a fetish because women don't understand this.
Starting point is 00:12:11 Men are fascinated by what women wear on their bodies. Are they? And I don't think women understand it. Here's the proof. How many times over all these years have you got an instant message pop up or on a radio show you to her post? Somebody say, hey, what are you wearing? What are you wearing? Right.
Starting point is 00:12:29 That's always the question. And women don't get that. We're asking because we're fascinated. Because we see you guys of having the most beautiful. soft skin and the idea that you're wearing something so soft, whether it's silk or whatever, or it's satin, and for me it's the nylon panty, there's something that's touching your beautiful soft skin. Try this great.
Starting point is 00:12:51 So when I'm looking at my teacher, Ms. Taylor, and then I realize here's this material that she's got covering the most beautiful part of the body that I love, I think the fetish didn't seeped in, so it is the panes. I should go back to the beach. I'll see a girl with nice legs. I like legs. I'm like, oh, that looks great. But the sexual drive and turn on is when you add pantyhose to it because of the look
Starting point is 00:13:16 and the idea that you're wearing something on a part of the body that I find so soft. Right. And that's it because that's it. Because you've got to understand. But I have to tell you, when guys used to ask me, or like if a guy would ask me like, hey, baby, what are you wearing? I always think, right, that he wants me to be like, oh, a sexy lingerie or like this bra or here's a picture of my pussy. Like, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:13:45 I'm never thinking he wants me to be like, oh, a silk, you know, silk stockings or like. When he's waiting to hear what you say, whatever it is he likes. But what should the girl say back to turn on the guy? What does the guy want here? Because half the time we're at the gym and we're just going to send back a text and turn on. What are we going to say? It depends on what you like. It depends on what you're like.
Starting point is 00:14:05 Let's say I'm a guy who likes boobs and brawls. So if I ask you that, I'm hoping you come back to, oh, I've got this beautiful satin brawl or this beautiful lacy brawl. That's what you're in for a guy like me, I'm picturing your body. And if you come back and you say, oh, I've got these silk stockings or these pantyhors on, I'm going, oh, my gosh. So we're hoping we get back what we want to hear.
Starting point is 00:14:28 The worst, the most boring. Because I talk to guys, I like to play around. is when a woman says, I'm naked. I don't think, no, but I don't think you're right. I think that there are naked guys. I've dated them. They're like, they don't care what hot outfit you put on. They just want to take it off.
Starting point is 00:14:46 They're like naked guys. Yes, they just want to see. There are those guys. There's no doubt. But for a guy, for most guys, because while they always ask you, for a guy with a fetish, that is going to be totally a different answer. So I wanted to tell you this. I've been thinking about this conversation, and it kind of goes back to your question about nude pantyos, and I want to tell you why panos are so incredible.
Starting point is 00:15:15 Because guys keep saying, oh, it looked great, and it felt great, and you always keep moving on to the field, the feel, and that's fine. But you got to understand something. And I, like I say, I'm older. I've been on the Internet for a long time. Right. I love questioning people and asking. You got to understand that. The A number one turn on with legs and panties is the look first.
Starting point is 00:15:41 Interesting. Right. That it makes the leg look smooth. It makes the leg look smooth, right? Is that what it is? It's like changing the appearance and making it look perfect. Absolutely. Here's what happens.
Starting point is 00:15:55 Because of the look, there's pantyos do three things that nothing else can do. when you put them on, there's going to be a beautiful line of light, this very smooth, shiny line of light that's going to run from underneath here, wherever your hemline finishes, let's say a woman sits down across its her leg, and you look at her, those panos are going to grab every bit of light. It's going to create this beautiful line, this shine line from up the thigh, over the knee, around the calves to the foot. I'm nipping up the sweet zone, and that is what every single solitary Panios lover dies for.
Starting point is 00:16:37 Okay. You're in comment. Oh, look at the shine on that Pantios. Oh, my God, look at that beautiful shine. Whether it's a soft sheen or it's a bright, sharp shine. That is A number one. That is going to grab you like nobody's business. Number two, from the sweet spot the shine out to the edge of the leg,
Starting point is 00:16:57 Paneos make the legs look absolutely perfect tone color. They make them look extremely soft and silky to the touch. There's no blemishes. Everything is perfect. So the contrast between when I look at a woman and I see her legs cross and I see this beautiful shine, this soft look outside that shine, those two combinations together, your brain's like, oh my gosh. Then the third, Pantios give the outside of the,
Starting point is 00:17:27 your leg definition. It makes the sculpture of your leg perfect. It defines the outside edge in every muscle shape, every curve, every tongue now comes edge. It defines the outside line, so it makes it more defined. So when I look at a girl and her legs across, I see that smooth, silky look, that shine. In my brain, this is where the feeling comes. Your brain says to yourself, oh my God, that is the smoothest silk. I bet that is the softest thing you'll ever going to touch in your life. The look just says silky, smooth, soft. So you haven't felt it yet, but your eyeballs, because guys are so visual,
Starting point is 00:18:13 says, wow, hold on a second. And then when you feel it, you're like, wow, that is the silkiest thing of it. So your eye is all about those. Why goes to look at pictures, videos, when you see that leg, with the shine, the smooth silk look, that is A number one because it tells our brain what we think it feels like. So the nude thing is like is the best because, but I have had a lot of guys, Panningos guys on recently who are like the black stockings, but the nude then would, it mimics the regular leg
Starting point is 00:18:46 the best, right? Yes. Here's, yes. I'm telling you after all my years of talking and you can tell I, I guess I like to talk, I love what people think. me too and I like and I have to say normally I really like to delve into like a more personal um you know more personal issues but because I've had so many podcast podcasts with pantyho's guys on and you've listened to them to have a guy like you come on and talk about it from this standpoint is something I normally wouldn't allow for other things but I think it's actually really interesting because you've done a lot of the research and And I've had so many people on and talked about their history. And now you're going to come on and really explain those.
Starting point is 00:19:30 So go for it. I'm just going to sit back and listen. Yeah, because I've heard some of your podcasts and I love them. And I kept thinking, I love to deep down tell her why. Why? So here's the nude panty. There's a lot of black. There's a lot of black.
Starting point is 00:19:43 Yeah. But nude. And here's the reason why it's. I'm going to give you an analogy and I think you'll understand it. Why nude? Let's say you have a girlfriend. Her name's Jenny. And you're like,
Starting point is 00:19:55 Jimmy, she's really pretty. You see in her daytime, she's got this beautiful face and you like her hair and all that, and she's absolutely beautiful. Now, let's say you tell Gin, we're going to go out tonight. Let's get dressed up. Ginny comes down the stairs and you get that, oh, my, she got a beautiful makeup on her. You see movies a million times. The guy likes the girl.
Starting point is 00:20:12 He goes a picture up and like, what is the first look on his face when she comes down all dressed up? Wow. So you look at Ginny's face. Her eye, everything is perfect. Now, you wouldn't go up to, you would say Jenny, you know, why do you have that color on your face? Why do you put black on your face or purple or pink?
Starting point is 00:20:31 She'd say, what the hell are you talking about? You'd say, well, your skin's already pink. Why don't you make it another color? She's going to say, dumbass. Makeup I put the stuff on my face that smooth out my skin. I'm putting it on my eyes and make my eyes pop. You know, makeup helps define my cheekbones, and it takes what I already have,
Starting point is 00:20:50 which you said in the daytime was beautiful, and it just enhances it. I don't want to change anything. I want to make my skin, tan skin look perfectly tan. I want to look flawless. I want to make my eyes populous. I'm not trying to change anything. I'm just trying to make it look perfect.
Starting point is 00:21:05 Well, that's what panty has to do. Why tan? Because we, I love the natural beauty. So if I see a girl on a beach, she's got nice tan legs. It's beautiful. Right. Because I love that natural look. And that's all of this pantyos guys on.
Starting point is 00:21:19 So when you add nude or sun tan or whatever your skin ton of it is, I'm not trying to change. change the look like I'm not trying to change the look at your face. I'm trying to make it look perfect. So it takes that beautiful look that will love the natural, beautiful tan look or whatever your skin color is. And when you add that news panties, now it does those three things I talked about. Just like makeup to your face.
Starting point is 00:21:41 It enhances makes your calf muscles more defined. It makes your thigh muscles smooth and silky. But I'm not changing the color because I love the natural color you have. I just enhance it. So we love new because it takes the beautiful. colorful color that you have and it acts like makeup. It just makes it perfect and flawless. And that's why we love new because I almost drove off the road the other day listening.
Starting point is 00:22:06 I think it was Peter or Alex wanted to. Oh, do you like that ugly nude color? I'm like, I'm about to drive off the road. You've got to be kidding. That's the best because I want to keep your natural beauty. It's like I say with the makeup to the face. I don't want you putting black and purple and green. You want to put a foundation that is the same color you have.
Starting point is 00:22:29 You're trying to smooth and beauty it out. That's what you're trying to do. But new does that. We die. We absolutely for that. Absolutely. Yeah, that's funny because. Yeah, go on.
Starting point is 00:22:43 No, I was going to say, I'm sorry if I keep jumping. No, no, no, like I said, I'm going to sit back and let you just. No, no, listen, I'm just going to sit back and let you do your thing. and to talk on all the points you want to. Like I said, I've had so many pantyhose guys on and we go back to their history and I do all that. And I love doing that right. Typically, I wouldn't allow for just like a big more general sort of show on things. But for pantyhose, I welcome it.
Starting point is 00:23:08 And it's actually interesting. And I think that my listeners will really like it. So keep going. Okay. When you say, you know, you guys, this is the easiest. What are you embarrassed about? I'm shy, but I'm kind of quiet. until I get to know you.
Starting point is 00:23:23 So you got to understand, I was very nervous about, embarrassed about it. I am still today. I wouldn't tell a lot of people. And I laugh and you go, oh, that's so nothing. I mean, go ahead, guys, you got to understand that the baggage you carry, everybody when you grow up has hangups, and that hang up is put on you at a young age, and that's a baggage you're going to carry. I mean, almost like you get ready to leave, you pick your baggage up and you take it
Starting point is 00:23:47 with you in the airport. Well, that's your emotional baggage. So when I grew up in the mid-70s, and I noticed Ms. Taylor, okay? So I'm thinking, well, here, let me tell you this. When I saw Ms. Taylor what I dreamed about, we're just going up and hugging it, kissing it, feel. I just wanted to feel that soft, smooth. I used to dream of her sitting in the bed, and I would just, she'd have her legs out in front, same skirt, dress, little heels, and I would just put my face on her thighs,
Starting point is 00:24:19 put my arms around her cast and just hug it and fall asleep like a soft blanket. That's what I dreamed about. Now, then when about 12 came and my dick woke up, that's what I call it when you hit people and the dick woke up. One day I look at a picture or maybe I saw somebody. I can't remember which one it was, but it just like somebody threw cold water in my face. I thought, oh my gosh, I've always wanted a hug and kiss and touch them. what if I, because my dick just woke up, and I said, what if my dick touched something so soft?
Starting point is 00:24:53 And so soon as I saw her these legs, when I hit puberty, my dream and my fantasy was, oh my gosh, I want a woman to sit like Miss Taylor, her legs beautifully across, I want to slide my cock up and down those legs. I want to feel that soft, smooth, silky feel on my cock. So put that in mind, I'm 12, 13, 14 years old. Now I'm hanging around all my friends. After baseball practice, whatever you do as kids. I never heard Jimmy or fran or anybody go, oh, did you see the legs on Tammy? Oh, great.
Starting point is 00:25:25 God, you see the pantos? So the reinforcement was, no, it's TNA. And the 70s like tits and pussy, that's it. If you like something else, you're freaking weird, man, because it's pounding in you. I mean, I never heard a friend of mine ever mentioned it. I'm nobody. I thought, my God, I mean, no, I don't want to see Jenny's pussy. I want to see her legs.
Starting point is 00:25:46 I know, but you have to understand a part of, I know, but you have to understand that a part of the reason that I, why I do my show is for specifically people like you and people in our generation who have all this quote unquote baggage that to maybe open it up and be done with it. Like, that's why I say that. I know it's not easy, okay, but it's, it will change your life to open it up. And I think the, and people have, I've had people on that have come to terms with their fetish much later in life. And it is, it does change your life and it is a positive experience. So that's why I say it. I know that it's difficult and I know that people and I know why people are carrying it. I'm a part of your generation.
Starting point is 00:26:33 I know how you grew up and how taboo it was and how we can't, you know. But I hope that by people listening to maybe the younger people who are open about it or the people that have been able to be. open about it, even though it's something that has, you know, been a no-no since day one, you know, I think that that's helpful because I think as long as you're alive, you could change. Yeah. I think it's awesome. I kind of agree with you. I just wanted you to understand that, that, honestly, I'm so much more comfortable with it.
Starting point is 00:27:04 But what, you know, whatever emotional baggage you create, it's always, what you're going to do is be able to live with it, because you're never going to dump the baggage. It always does it. I love it when I hear you say, it's not. a big deal, but in my mind, I'm like, yeah, I know, and I can, I can live better with my bag. It's just never going to go away. I'm always going to feel a little funny better, but I'm so much more comfortable about it. Does your wife know about it? She knows about my opinion Spanish, but she totally doesn't understand it, totally doesn't get it,
Starting point is 00:27:35 doesn't play into it. So, yeah, so, you know, I would love to, you remember I mentioned that about a spoke and a wheel? Mm-hmm. Okay, because you always talk about gateway. I'd love to tell you how I think about it. And now we'll bring up all these stories. I look at panty hose. If you look at a wheel, like a bicycle wheel, you have an axle and you have spokes.
Starting point is 00:27:59 To me, panty hose for me are my axle. That is the center point of everything. Panny hose is my sexual center. And then the spokes of the things that I learned as I grew that I liked. And if you want, I could kind of walk to some of these and they kind of help tell the story. Sure. Explain. Oh, one thing about a fetish, when you have it, I guess it's more than the like, because you always ask somebody, you know, what does it do?
Starting point is 00:28:28 I want people to understand when you have a fetish like I do for me, when I see a pair of legs, she's sitting, her legs are beautifully crossed. Man, my heart drops. I'm telling you, there is a chemical that squirted into your body. It is like you're on a drug. You know, you are flowed. That's why I'll be 90, and I can see a woman in Pannios, and I can see the same picture a bazillion times. I'm going to get completely hard and turned on, but it never gets old, because it's more than
Starting point is 00:28:55 just the like. I almost feel it's almost like an out-of-body experience, I swear. It's almost like these drugs. I hear people say, oh, I cook this drug, and it makes you flood your brain. You're so in this unerphoric state. A fetus will put you in a normal, just, just, drugs that you are so sexually aroused, you are so sexually turned on just by the thought, the sight of your fetish.
Starting point is 00:29:21 So it's so much more than anybody with the fetish hears me say that, they're like, yeah. It is hard to explain what it does to you. It is a physical and a chemical. I swear I can feel it squirt in my veins. The heart rate goes, you just can't stop thinking about you are so erotically in this zone. So just wanted to let you know that about it. So like I say, when I turned into puberty, my dick turned on, just to hear a girl say the word panty-hose, just to hear her say it,
Starting point is 00:29:56 I would get so aroused. Because I was quiet and shy. I didn't date a whole lot. And I never got to say to a girl, oh, my gosh. And I would never in those days say, oh, gosh, you're, like, you're so beautiful. It was my little secret. But to see him on the bus, oh, my God, this girl. got on the bus one time.
Starting point is 00:30:13 All her legs were incredible. Beautiful pantos. And I heard her say to the other girl, oh, crap, I got to run in my pantyos. Do you have any? And just, I was in front of them when I heard that. My heart jumped five beats. Right. I'm not kidding.
Starting point is 00:30:28 And you wanted to wise because it relates back in my head. I know what you're talking about. I know where you wear them. And I know what they look like. So that picture jumped. And I also like, you know. Some of the other guy said when I used to go over to a friend's house, I guess I was 14, 15. Oh my God, there's like a kid in a candy store.
Starting point is 00:30:49 Somebody go, hey, man, I'm going to go and see if I get some old guy to buy his beer. And I'd be, like, hey, you know, I'll just hang here if you guys want to go try and get some. Man, when they left the house, it was like, you remember the Willie Walker's Chocolate Factory, the one in the 70s when they first walked into the big seeds of all the chocolate. And that's me. I was like, oh, my God, my heart started racing. My thoughts go a thousand miles an hour, like, I got to go into the sister for him. I remember opening the drawer.
Starting point is 00:31:19 Oh, my gosh. And I see the panty hose sitting just, you got to understand, because it's all new to you, you're young, just to see those panty hose. I remember picking them up. Now, I wasn't like everybody. I didn't jack off in them. I'm just to touch them, just to look at them. See, somebody asked, if you just saw, I think one of your guy with Alex or Hank, I'm not sure,
Starting point is 00:31:41 I said, if you just see panties, it turn you on. He's like, no, no, no, no. For me, yes, and a lot of us, yes, because in my brain, I know where you wear them. I know where they've been. I know what they look like when you put them on, and that's my fetish. So, hold this thing in my skin that you put up against those beautiful legs of yours, this material that I find so erotic, I would just, and then I'd go into the mother's room. Your hands are shaking. Look, my hands would shake a thousand miles an hour that I'm going to get to see it.
Starting point is 00:32:10 and to open that drawer and to see those pannios sitting there. You remember, this is the 70s, so everybody wore them. It was absolutely a huge perna. I didn't jack off in them. Did you steal them? No, I didn't steal them because I was terrified that somebody would know they're missing. So, no, I definitely didn't tear them. Now, the other thing I did, see, I call these spokes, touching's a spoke,
Starting point is 00:32:37 going in and rubbing your dick on it. That's a spoke from what I've learned in another smoke. A lot of guys mentioned this. I think I was about 13. I used to get up from school about 2.30. So I was probably, I guess, eighth grade, seventh grade, I don't remember. But I remember seeing getting home, I thought, I want to wear these. I want to see what it feels like.
Starting point is 00:32:59 And I was home alone. And I would go, so I'd go into my mom's room. I can still see it down. I'd open that drawer. I see those pantingos. I would put them on. and I would see that look. I'd see that shine on myself.
Starting point is 00:33:14 I'd feel it. And you asked somebody, so when did you start jacking off? Well, I jacked off in their leaves, but I did it different. I used to lay on my back. I would think about a woman in Panios,
Starting point is 00:33:27 or I'd be looking at a magazine of the seers, cattle, whatever it might be, or if I'm wearing them, and then I'd roll over on my stomach and I'd just start rubbing my dick into the bed, into the sheets.
Starting point is 00:33:38 That's how I'd just, jacked off. For the long guitar, probably axel with 18 or 19. I never grabbed my hand around my cock and jacket. I would sit in my bed and fantasize about a girl sitting across in her legs or, this is fun. You remember the old he-ho? That old show. And they had the girls who would be in pain.
Starting point is 00:33:57 You can see them in the little shorts, and they had one team these guys would be laying out in front of the old shack telling some stupid story, but in the back, it'd be a girl sitting in a chair with one leg straight out and the other foot sliding up and down the other or laying on their side, kind of sliding one leg up and down. So I would picture that in my mind. And then when I got hard and I'm ready, I would roll over. And I would think about it and just rub my dick into the bed.
Starting point is 00:34:22 I jacked off. So I put my mom's panty on. I can still see it. I can still feel it. I'd rub myself into the bed. And if I came, I'd freaked out. I'd go clean it. Or if I didn't, I'd take them off and try and wipe them off.
Starting point is 00:34:37 Make sure there's nothing in there. but yes, I would say most, all panty, not all, but I think it always at some point reverts to putting them on yourself. I've heard a lot of guys say no. Yeah. Because look, like I say, it goes back. It starts with women in pantos. That is my 1,000% true love.
Starting point is 00:34:54 There's nothing better than seeing a woman like yourself in beautiful pantyhoes, your dress night. That's number one, but be spokes. You see, I have lots of spokes. So that's a spoke who's putting it on. I love the feel and I love the look. And so that's a... Now, does your wife know about that part of your fetish or just that you want her to wear them? She knows that I love to wear them.
Starting point is 00:35:19 She knows that. She knows that I'm completely turned on. She just doesn't get it. And what bothers me, I'm going to be 100% honest in this call. I love her to death. I've been married over 30 years. But the one aspect, it really kind of makes me mad in some sense. Because she knows I love them so.
Starting point is 00:35:37 much and she sees how they affect me. And she knows I like to wear them. But she never just puts them on or like I'll go on the internet. I'll see these guys with their girlfriends and they're both wearing them. And I know she's probably not into it as much, but she's playing into it. It's like, hey, he likes this. This is fun. I'm going to do it.
Starting point is 00:35:56 She's not like that. If I say, hey, would you wear these? She's like, okay. But it's like, she'll sit in a chair across her legs and I'll look and I'll jack off and I'll touch him. but I'm very erotic. The brain, you've got to induce my brain, man. You've got to make me think of what might happen. And I see these videos where the girl, the guy comes out of the shower,
Starting point is 00:36:15 and she's laying on the bed so sexy. Or she doesn't, she doesn't. So it makes me, man, because in some sense, a little bit, because I'm thinking, if you know I love this, why wouldn't you play? It's like, if you were a great cook and your husband, like, wouldn't you love the cook great meals for him if he loved them? You're like, oh, my husband loves this.
Starting point is 00:36:34 I'm a cook. But okay, but to stick up for your wife, right? If we had like, you know, you've been married 30 years. I bet you anything. She'd be like, yeah, well, I love compliments and he never gives those to me. Like, I mean, I think that what happens when you're with the same person for a really long period of time, you lose that part of, you know, that part of the, like the part of you were that you're just trying so hard to make them happy all the time because you have them. Like, you know, I mean, I just think it happens that you might have to remind. her or really express it and then maybe you'll get more of those scenarios coming up you know for a
Starting point is 00:37:11 couple months after and then she'll probably go back to forgetting about it but don't you think that's it's more like that no well not in my case because no you've been from the beginning she's always over i love you so beautiful all this but this she just she's not the biggest sexual person so she just doesn't understand it she just doesn't understand it so even when we're in first marriage she she would wear more and she tried to turn me a little bit but not like I just want to be so erotic I'm such an erotic person and there's so many things we can do more than just put them on so and she doesn't want to go there yeah I'm just if I ask her she will I just I want to ask I want to yeah I just I was like hey you know I know you I when I see these people on the internet and I'm like they just do it together
Starting point is 00:37:58 they incorporate it together. They have such fun. So what I did was I got a job where I traveled a lot. So this was about the time that the Internet really took office would be the mid-90s. So what I would do, because since I started with the corporate world, I had this spoke that kind of grew. I figured out I loved that when I'd go to lunch, I'd walk, you know, up and down the river walk.
Starting point is 00:38:24 And if I saw a woman sitting on a bench and her legs crossed, I go, oh, my gosh, she's wearing you. and everybody was wondering about that, and I would walk by, and their legs in the sun. Oh, my God, I was done. And I got this for a couple years where I just, I had a huge turn on to say as I walked by, man, your legs look beautiful. Your legs look beautiful. And I think it's because I was so shy, and I'm starting to open up. It was like these things I'd never done before.
Starting point is 00:38:48 I wanted to see what if woman's reaction, I wanted to be able to say out loud to a stranger, gosh, your legs are beautiful. So for a couple of years, I'd do eat my lunch. I'd look up and down the river. If I saw somebody, I'd walk that way. As I walked by, I'd look down and I'd be pumping. I'd say, oh, you have beautiful leg. I'm curious what they'd say back.
Starting point is 00:39:07 It was such a thoreal. May someone say thank you? Someone would just look at you. But that's something I learned by love. No, now anyone listening, if anyone says that to them, they're going to be like, fuck off. He's just like trying to catch her. Probably.
Starting point is 00:39:21 Probably. Yeah. So I started traveling, and man, the eroticism. even grew because I was like, okay, so I took panty hose in my, you know, when I'd go to a different town, it'd be a different week or so I'd take panty hose. And remember, internet cameras had just started. So first when I started going out of town, I'd be up till three, four, sometimes I was up to five in the morning and I had to get up at six or seven. I'd many times, I'd take all the towns to Philadelphia, New York, Baltimore, I was traveling all over Atlanta.
Starting point is 00:39:52 And I remember going, God, it's four in the morning I got, but I was so thrilled. So my first time, I would look at pictures. It was nothing but there's, remember, it was AOL. Yeah. And so you go on AOL, you try and find, I was just, I would pull every Panyos picture. I jack off to them. That was first, and then just to hear what people think, so then instant message came. So just to see a woman type in the word Pantios used to make me harder than a brick.
Starting point is 00:40:18 So I go in a chat room, I go, hey, how can I get them to say Pantios? So what I do is I say, hey, instant message, hey, you know, there's a little. of restaurant hooters? Yeah. I know women hate pantios most of a lot of them. So I'd say, oh, what's the one thing
Starting point is 00:40:33 about the uniform you hate? And just to see them pipe back pantos would crush my heart but turned me on at the same time. They wrote I try and get into a discussion
Starting point is 00:40:43 with them. But then came the camera and this is where it really took off. The webcam? The webcam. Yeah. So back there, there wasn't a lot of websites,
Starting point is 00:40:52 but I knew a lot of IT stuff. So I realized in Microsoft that thing called NetMeeting where you could turn your camera on and you could give somebody your IP address and they can come in and see you. So I remember I spent a lot of time in Philadelphia
Starting point is 00:41:04 and so I was in the hotel and I had these panios with me and then I started wearing them more and this is going to sound really weird but I always thought I looked pretty good at them. And what I found was because I like I was like to self-diagnose I started when I wear them
Starting point is 00:41:23 it's not about just wearing it sometimes if you would probably ask me, would you wear them on your clothes? I hear you about to get in the wreck, so I don't do it because that would be the day. I get the wreck and, oh, my gosh, I'm wearing pantos. But I went out of town. I did put them on sometimes to go out to dinner, but it's not a big thrill. For me, it was bringing out my feminine side. I didn't want to just be a guy wearing pantyos in my shorts and jeans.
Starting point is 00:41:48 I want to kind of play the girl role. I want to look down and kind of, you know, to turn on. to see you kind of look, you know, I think every guy has a little feminine side and I think all girls have a male of a maleish side.
Starting point is 00:42:04 So I don't want to just where I want to wear skirt. I want to wear heels. So I figured out I like to, this is a spoke. I like the cross dress from the waist down. I don't put on wigs and makeup.
Starting point is 00:42:17 Not that that's bad if they want to do it. Just for me, I like to look from the waist down and see a female. So when I did the camera, camera and I started, you know, taking pictures. I started taking tons of pictures. It was fun to go to a website and put them out there.
Starting point is 00:42:34 And I was so aroused by what people would like back. I was like, oh, my gosh, oh, my gosh. You know, people are saying this about me now. Right. It was a huge, it was an absolutely huge turn on to do, to take just tons of pictures. And put them up there, right? And this was, were you doing stuff like this while you were married? What do you mean when I was married?
Starting point is 00:43:00 Like was this going on when you were married? Like, you know, posting these things and doing all this. This was so you were like doing this behind your wife's back, right? This wasn't when you were single before you were married. Yes, this is the double life. This is, you know, after I got married and I knew kind of what we would do, I just, I just these things came up. I want to be seen in them. I want to see what people think.
Starting point is 00:43:23 And so I'm in a hotel. You start acting kind of all your brains. this fetish, I'm telling you, makes you do things you would never do. First time, I think it was in Atlanta, I went to, I call an adult bookstore, because that's what they called my day. And I walk in, I'm like, I want to look at all the videos,
Starting point is 00:43:41 is there anything about pantos and legs? And I walked in one Atlanta, and this girl's dressed in lingerie. I was like, what the hell? That was when the modeling, they used to have laundry modeling. And she goes, oh, if you pick something out, I'll wear it for you. It's like, holy shit. Well, I didn't do it then, but later on, as much,
Starting point is 00:43:57 Once this couple of months later, I had to go to Tampa. I spent a lot of time in Tampa, and they had a lot, this is the mid-90s, they had a lot of laundry modeling places. So at night, I would get in my car, the little car, I'd drive around because I'd forward out of car, and it was so exciting to walk into one. You see the glow of the window. You're like, oh, that's one. And you'd walk in, and girls would be sitting there, and they'd say, oh, you know, you want the drive for me to model, and I'd get one aside. I was always so quiet and shy, I'd be like, look, I have this weird thing I like. And they go, well, what is it?
Starting point is 00:44:27 And I say, I love pantyhous. And they're like you. Well, that's nothing. I was like, really? And I said, if I bought something about it, would you model them for me? She's like, yeah. Oh, goodness gracious. Because, look, like I said, I didn't date a cond.
Starting point is 00:44:42 I was shy. In my teenage years, this panty hose that just drove me crazy because I thought I was the only guy on the planet. Right. And so I remember my sister's friends, kind of one got passed out and fell on the bed. I remember walking in there, and her leg, she's sitting there in her panty hose, and I was like, I was probably 14 or 50. I thought, man, I want to talk about. I didn't. But it drove me insane.
Starting point is 00:45:06 And my biggest thing if he was rubbing my cock on the leg, I wanted to see if it felt. And even when I went out with girls, I was so embarrassed about it. I never would make any point about her legs and penis because I thought, I think I heard Alex and one of them say, oh, I remember the kid, the commercials would come on. I thought everybody was looking at me. And my dad, they're all staring at me. Oh, Jimmy, he's turned on by this. And I would do the same thing. And in the 70s, there were a lot of Pantios commercials for Haynes.
Starting point is 00:45:32 And the one you didn't know the name of in the egg, that's called sheer energy. What is it called? That's the leg, sheer energy. Oh, sheer energy. Right, right. Now I remember. Oh, my goodness. When I used to wear my mom, she wore the cheap ones, like, no nonsense.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Yeah. But one day, I was walking and I saw in the bathroom. My sister had her pair, and it just looked different. I grabbed it. I was like, oh, my God, these are more shiny. They were my first love. of will sheer energy. You know, by coming called legs in the eggs, it's called sheer energy.
Starting point is 00:46:00 And when you put them all, they gave, because none of nonsense has no shine. There's not much to them, but we all love the shine to these other brands would give a shine. To even hold it my hand, I can see the shine. Right. And that just drove me crazy. And now I'm out and about, and I'm taking these pictures, and I'll put them out there, then it grew into, I want to wear it's got.
Starting point is 00:46:24 So it was fun to see if I could fool somebody. I knew it was a guy. I didn't care. I was like, oh, I pretended I was a girl. Would you like to see a picture? I just got home from work. And I'd send a picture. And it was so, I'd turn on if he didn't pipe back and say, oh, man, your legs look great.
Starting point is 00:46:38 I'm like, oh, my gosh. So that's a spoke, you know. And then there was another website that came out, and I'll never forget it. There's so many video sites now, but this is called, way back in it, it was called, Hear Me, See Me. It was the first video thing I ever saw. So you would go out of your application and you're four or five cities, Los Angeles, New York, blah, blah, blah, you'd pick it.
Starting point is 00:47:00 And there would be a couple rooms. And so at this point, I was starting to carry skirts with me because I just, I love to do now, not just in pantyos, but I wanted to see myself in the skirt and heels. So I remember being in this chat room and we're talking to some women in there. And I said, oh, I love to wear pantyos. I remember you could have one camera on at a time. And the girl lady goes, well, get on camera on what's what your legs look like. And I remember, I'll never forget this.
Starting point is 00:47:26 I turned on the camera, and the camera would show by your name, and then there would be like a little eyeball by somebody's name, meaning that's who's looking at you. You can only get one at a time on those days. And I'll never forget this woman goes. It made me want to dress even more. She goes, oh, my God. And it's like, what?
Starting point is 00:47:44 She goes, you have better legs than I do. Are you sure you're a guy? No way. Yeah. She goes, your legs are gorgeous. And I remember thinking, oh, my God, and that started an avalanche of you won't believe. Because, look, it was a huge turn on. It was a massive, massive turn on.
Starting point is 00:48:04 And to be honest, it sounded weird. I guess I take off more of my mom. My mom has always known she had beautiful legs. I'm built like her. So it sounds weird. But when I look at my legs and pantos on a skirt, I think they look as good as any girl. I know that sounds weird. And it's crazy.
Starting point is 00:48:22 But I can see that look. And did that freak you out when I said that? It's kind of weird. No, I think it freaks you out, maybe. But no, not me. I've heard a lot. I've heard a lot. You can't, it's hard to freak me out.
Starting point is 00:48:36 Okay. Okay. But I did. I did. And so I started, you know, wearing and camming for people. I love to put skirts on to this day. There's a website called Pal Talk. There's Skype.
Starting point is 00:48:52 I love a place called Pal Talk, because it's more personal, so I'll go into a chat room. And it's generally, I go into the gay rooms because I've tried the regular, and women just don't really give a shit. And I want people to see me. I want to see what they say. Right. So I've gotten comfortable to the point that I know it's a guy, so I'll turn my camera on. And I love the instant messages that pop up. Oh, my God, you look great.
Starting point is 00:49:14 Oh, your legs are fantastic. So I've got these beautiful pantyhoes, my legs look good. And I love to play the part of the girl. I love to see what people say Not because I want to be a girl I know everybody talks about that I want to be a guy 99% of the time But there's that
Starting point is 00:49:29 Times when I'm like I want that I want to see what is it like I want to see people's reaction to me Like I used to do the girl Like I do do the girls You know Well when I see a girl
Starting point is 00:49:41 With her beautiful ex-opinions I'm like oh my God It's so gorgeous So now hearing guys There's somebody looking at me Saying that back to me In my kind of playing the role of the girl, it's just a big turn on.
Starting point is 00:49:52 It's just a, it's a huge turn on. So I do that. But let me ask you this. Do you get turned on if like a guy is, do you get even more turned on if a guy is giving you that attention? Because I have heard a lot that, you know, from people who like to cross dress or this new thing that I've heard about that isn't new, which is new to me is like, you know, guys, when they do dress up as a woman, they, want to feel like a woman and getting that attention from a man makes them feel like a woman.
Starting point is 00:50:25 Like that's the role play that goes into it. You know, have you ever dabbled in that or is it strictly like getting women to tell you? No. No, I would love for it to all be women and it's a huge turn on to feel like when that lady said it. But I'm okay because you're so I didn't tell you, I ran across a website that said men and pantos. I was in Atlanta. I'll never forget it. And I kind of giggle because all those years I'm looking for pictures of women in pannios.
Starting point is 00:50:49 That's what drives me crazy. So I went into it, and it was men where nothing but Panios, no crawled just men. And I remember thinking, okay, shit, I could feel my balls start to tingle. I was like, holy shit. I closed it, I laughed at it, and the whole next day at work, I couldn't stop the thing about it. So I have come in either 10 years, 15 years later, I'm straight, but I find the sight of a guy's cock under Panyo's so incredibly arousing, sexy, erotic. And I started to think, why? Well, I used to buy a magazine called Leg Show.
Starting point is 00:51:24 That was, if anybody out there knows, it's the best leg magazine. When I first saw it, my heart almost jumped out of my chest. I mean, oh, my gosh, there was so many pictures of beautiful women in Pannios. This would have been about the early 90s. And I noticed in the pictorial sets, the ones that drove me the most crazy, were the ones where Guy's cock looks like it might touch her leg. because that was my fantasy growing up what would it feel like to touch something
Starting point is 00:51:51 so smooth and so soft with my cock because when you have a fetish, your cock is like so turned on anything. Your whole body rushes from your body to your cock. Every feeling you have rushes to this thing. And so I'm looking at these pictorials with these girls and these panos as guys' cock's like five inches away
Starting point is 00:52:10 in my mind thinking, did he ever touch it? Did you rub it on it? So I started thinking, well, why are cock on their pantos? I think it's the same thing. thing. I'm like, okay, I love the picture the thought of a cock, touch in the pantos, but now the sea in it underneath there, you're thinking something
Starting point is 00:52:25 so feminine, it belongs to a female, and you're covering this big ugly man cock that shouldn't be there and the thought of it touching this big cock underneath something so silky, so smooth, I find it a huge turn.
Starting point is 00:52:41 Maybe it's like, because you said you're not, like, maybe it's like a projection. It's like you're seeing, it's like, you're seeing what turns you on the most. It's almost like you're seeing you outside of yourself, right? So it's kind of like a projection. It's not about that man. If he had a face, you'd be like, ugh.
Starting point is 00:52:56 But it's almost like it's connected to you in a way. I'm thinking it's like more like projecting yourself into that scenario because that's what turns you on so much. Yeah, I am projecting, but it's more. I've come to the realization. I do find a man's cock and pantos a huge. huge turn on. So if you saw that guy's face and his legs and it's a guy, that's a turn on to you.
Starting point is 00:53:24 Yeah, because I'm not really turned on by men's legs in panties because we just don't have the shape legs that women do. Right. Maybe 5% of men. Right. But mostly so for me, when I like to cross shows, I like to see a girl from the waist down. But when I see a guy, I'm really just interested in their cock under panty hose. Right.
Starting point is 00:53:43 That's what turns me on. So you are kind of turned on by guys. you might be slightly. I am. Yeah. Okay. I thought you said to you're totally enough. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:52 But not by a man, by their face and all, no. It's just that cock under panty hose. I think I'm at an age where I've done so much the kink is building. And just a thought as a cock. And I just like the way it looks, the way it hangs and how. Maybe it's because I have one. And it shouldn't be under that. It's for females.
Starting point is 00:54:12 I find you highly erotic. But I was, okay with that and I've taken that further gosh there's just so much to say so much to talk about so what do you mean you took it further what what what what what are you talking about what did you do how far have you taken it well you know after I realized that I I I am attracted to a cock opinion I'll tell you kind of kind of how that started is um when I used to travel like I told you and I used to go in the chat rooms I I remember I wanted to talk to somebody about pantyos, and in the chat room there's always guys.
Starting point is 00:54:52 And I just got this thought I really wanted to speak with somebody. So at some point, I remember thinking, I'm going to just ask. So I said, hey, does anybody want to talk about pantyos? And I put, I was in a hotel because I traveled, and I put the telephone number to the hotel, my room number. And I said, you know, I'll call you. I like to talk to you. So I said, okay, call me right back. You know, call me up to hell.
Starting point is 00:55:15 because I'm online, and so I hang up, and I remember sitting here thinking, this is going to be a guy who calls me, and I thought, I really don't care. And when the phone rang, I remember being so excited, like, oh, my gosh, I'm going to talk about pantyos. I remember picking up the phone, and this guy's like, hey, how's it going? And I'm laying in there in my panty hose. I'm laying on the bed. I'm going to, hey, how's it going?
Starting point is 00:55:35 And just starting to talk, he's like, you were in pantyhers? I said, yeah. And in my mind, I'm thinking, this is a guy, and then it just clicked. I remember thinking, I don't give a shit. It was really eternal. And hear this guy say, he goes, well, how do they feel? I said, then I just started going. I said, man, these things.
Starting point is 00:55:52 I said, you should see what I'm seeing? He says, what do you see? I said, man, my legs. I'm saying, I'm looking right now. It's got this gorgeous shiny. Oh, it real soft look? And I said, yeah. And we're talking about my legs.
Starting point is 00:56:04 I'm getting so aroused, even though the guys, I didn't care. And then explaining it to my cock looked in it and everything. So that's when I got comfortable with a guy. it would so I thought that point I was like okay it really doesn't matter it was a turn on so when I say the next level the next thing happened when I was out of town
Starting point is 00:56:23 I was in Atlanta and in midtown Atlanta there's a it's a big gay area I remember thinking what I like to do was I had a pair of pantos I cut the leg off the panty hose and I'd roll it down like a stocking and put it my sock and I would walk outside and walk around the Maywood from the hotel
Starting point is 00:56:39 and what I just was such a thrill my heart's pumping up I want somebody to see me. There's a part of me in my spoke of now being seen because I was always so embarrassed about it and shy about it. Now I'm figuring out so many people, there's no big deal. So it's allowing my shield to go down, even though I'm very nervous about being seen. But that's a part of the turn on, right? I've heard that before, yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:03 Which is a new spoke. It's a new spoke. I want to be seen. And so what I do is walk around. And if I saw a couple guys coming, and I just thought more. comfortable, they're probably gay because they're not so condemning to people. Oh, they're cool. So I pull the panty
Starting point is 00:57:19 who's up and kind of, you know, get it so one leg shiny, I'd walk by him. I just to see if somebody's saying anything. So what happened one night is I walking, I'm handing back to the hotel. I see this guy standing on the corner right in front of my hotel, and I get up and I stand in my heart's going a thousand miles of now. Remember, I told you
Starting point is 00:57:35 a fetish, you're on a drug. Right. And you are just going in a saying, so I know my heart in my head, I thought, I wonder if this guy would think this looks because I remember look at him. I said, hey, are you gay? And he goes, yeah. I said, look, I'm a straight guy.
Starting point is 00:57:48 I said, but I want to show you something. I want you, if you would think this is a turn on. He goes, okay, so we walk towards hotel. They're building a parking lot and what his garage is. So we walk in there. I said, I want to show you this. Now, he doesn't know me. So I can tell when I turned around.
Starting point is 00:58:04 He's kind of nervous. I said, look, I'm going to step over here, which is through the little door. I'm going to put some on once you tell me what you think. So I walk over there. I go on the door, I pull the panting ears up, and I walk back. He's sitting at door like he's raised the whole ass because he doesn't know me. And I said, well, what do you think about this? And he looks out and he sees my leg shiny.
Starting point is 00:58:22 He goes, I said, to a gay guy would this turn you on? And I remember thinking, I am standing in front of the guy. And I don't care. He goes, oh, when he comes up, he gets down his knee and he rubs his hand up and down my cat. He goes, oh, my gosh, that feels great. I said, would something like this turn you on? And he's like, yeah, he starts going his hand up my thigh and starts going to my shorts
Starting point is 00:58:43 and at that point I was like my first like no no no I did you like it and we ended it there but I kept thinking about it so much so I really wanted to tap into that that spoke off the actual of Paneos this is all because
Starting point is 00:58:57 of Pantio so then I started with the cam really getting into the cam and I love getting on Skype or Paltalk and showing my legs off and and really what I like to is I really want to play the part of the girl. When I put pantos on, I don't want to just be a guy in pantos and shorts.
Starting point is 00:59:18 I want to wear the skirt and heels. So when I started posing and I realized that these are all guys, I just, it really started turning me on. I mean, I would love to find a woman. Like if you said, hey, let's get on Camo and see your legs, I would be through the sky. Oh, my God, a woman's going to see me in pantos. It's not going to happen that much.
Starting point is 00:59:36 So the think of the guy's going to look at me and that all of a sudden I thought, this girl part of me, I can turn a guy on like girls due to me, really amped it up. So when I get online, I don't just stand there. All the things that I fantasized when I was in my teens about a woman sit with her legs crossed her, laying on the ground sliding one leg of all these poses I jacked off with my whole life. I'm doing all this. Oh, interesting. Oh, look, I'll get on Kim and I've had guys go, I can't believe the way you move.
Starting point is 01:00:10 you are so erotic and I'm saying this is easy because I'm doing everything I fantasized my whole I jacked off a million times with these thoughts right that's smart one right because one guy said I remember you interview he said look my mind we create scenarios in our head when we have our fetish and he said you know I see a neighbor and I've already got a story in my head what I've done with her well I'm the same way we all do so when a guy's watching me I'm I'm picturing him standing there. Now, I'm so involved about what he'll say he sees me. So then once I got comfortable with that,
Starting point is 01:00:45 then FetLife came and although that's a lot of cross-stressers, I'm not a big cross-stressor, we're all a family so we get to know each other, and there are some a lot of things. I see a lot of Cox and Panyho's pictures that really termination. So then came to meeting somebody.
Starting point is 01:01:01 And so when I say, I took it further. Yeah. I did, so the Atlanta would have been the first one got comfortable with God, But I always think about Atlanta, like, I wasn't ready for it then, but I'm ready for it now. So I met a guy on Fet Life, and I said, hey, you know, would you like to meet? You know, here's what I like to do. I want to play the part of the girl.
Starting point is 01:01:21 And I want to make sure, are you a leg lover? Do you love Panias? Or is it just a kink? Because the kink will take in a lot of different directions. And I wanted somebody who would be like me. Like, if I walked in front of her girl and she did all that to me, I would be off the charts. I'd be exploding off the walls. And so we met.
Starting point is 01:01:37 we talked at a location to get to know each other and um it was probably one of the most erotic nights of my whole life ever i mean we went to a hotel we went to a hotel and we got a room and i was shaking my hands were shaking and i said look i'm going to the bath i'm going to and i'm going to change and you know he likes to wear pantyose too so i said look if i'm going to with the guy, I got to see you in panty. I don't want you just to be naked. I just remember walking out of the bathroom. Look, like I say, when I see me in a skirt in pinnios, it sounds weird, but I think I look
Starting point is 01:02:14 really hot. I mean, I definitely have my mom's legs, and I think they look fantastic. So I put that skirt on. Right. I know that's weird, but it is real years. I'm sure times of other guys can relate that are into the same thing. So when I walked out and he was sitting on the bed and when he saw me, I'll never remember, forget his face he was like I do when I see a woman he was so turned on to be such a leg in panos
Starting point is 01:02:38 lover and I remember sitting up on the credenza and I softly crossed my legs very soon I mean everything you see a woman do and he his eyes were just immense so I walk around I laid on the bed I'm like don't touch me I just want to tease you and I slid my legs up and down and just were and I can see the bulge in his pants and what is so erotic to me is the thought of a woman putting her heels in my crotch and kind of pushing down a little bit, that dominant is so incredible. So I did it to him. He was so hard, and I put my foot in his crotch,
Starting point is 01:03:12 and he was so hard, and to feel his cock underneath my heels. So we played tonight, but to finish it off, what was so erotic is, I had a wraparound skirt, and I laid on the bed, and we even took pictures and filmed this. So if anybody on Fet Life,
Starting point is 01:03:30 their pictures are there. Oh, really? Maybe you'll give the little shout out to where they could go and actually see it at the end. Go on. Sure. So I just remember him being so nervous and he was so gentle. And I remember laying on the bed and he's looking at my legs and he's sliding his hand up. And I said, you know, because at this point I really hadn't shown my cock.
Starting point is 01:03:50 And I said, look, you know, and he's just so tenderly slide his hand up and down my legs. I was in cloud and I can't tell you how erotic this was. And then finally, I'm just, my legs are glistening, and he's just, I said, look, if you want to, you know, slide your hands up and reveal what you really want to see. And he slowly is going higher this, the wrap-round skirt starting to open. And I remember I'm taking his hands, opening up the wrap-round skirt from my cock. And this look of his eyes was, wow, there it is. And I look down and I see it. And he takes his finger and he runs it up my ball sack, right up.
Starting point is 01:04:29 the center of my shaft. This is his pointer finger. He gets to my head, then he takes his thumb, and he then takes his finger and his thumb and out traces the outside of my cock, and it does it again. And it's just so, and I was leaking. I was leaking so much pre-com. I look like, look like an oil rig, dribbin oil. I mean, it was everywhere.
Starting point is 01:04:50 And he was just softly stroking. And it was just the most amazing thing ever. It was so erotic. So we finished off and I think about that night, but then I am really, really attracted to a cock and panty hose. It's not just you said you see yourself, maybe your face. No, I mean, when I see a guy in pantos, I mean, the face and everything kind of gets in the way because I don't, men just don't turn me on. But when I'm aroused, I see it. It's just, it's like an opposite.
Starting point is 01:05:21 So it's like, ooh, it turns me out because it's opposite of what I like. And just the way a cock hangs and stuff like that when it's like almost hard, but not. not in the panty hose right I just I have to just say though yeah no but I just have to say that I hear it so much my podcast like I'm not attracted to men but if you're attracted to dicks like even if they're in panty hose not in panty hose in your mouth not in your mouth next to you under your leg between your feet like if you like that is a man that's not do you know what I mean so that is but I feel like some people just can't sort of say that sentence for some reason like you know you can't be like yeah I'm attracted to men not I don't want to I don't like their faces but I
Starting point is 01:05:56 like they're cocks like it is a man you are attracted to men you're attracted to well dick's like that way I mean I mean I mean I mean it's semantics but I just find it interesting that so many quote unquote straight guys you know do a lot of things that are not straight but can't cop to the fact that they're maybe not a hundred percent straight like it's like a thing I don't know and you know yeah well when I think of see to me a sex act it's not being attracted to men it's just an act because I've never walked by any guy and like when I see one of the lights
Starting point is 01:06:30 because you can't see their dicks. Well, no, well, okay, put it in, let me ask you this, wait. If you, if guys were walking, no, stop. If guys were walking around the street in panty hose with no shirts, and you saw their dick,
Starting point is 01:06:46 like you would get turned on by that. That's no different than getting turned on by the woman wearing a tight shirt and seeing her big tits if that's what you're into. It is a man. Okay, then I'll agree with that. That's true.
Starting point is 01:06:56 but I will say it's like if I go to the restroom we're all at the urinal I don't want to see your deck I don't want to see it it's only because here's the thing like I told you Paneos is not a gateway gateway means you start somewhere and you finish somewhere else and you kind of leave where you work that's why I use the analogy of an axle
Starting point is 01:07:13 all these things I'm telling you if I have a bicycle when I take the axle out the wheel falls apart so if I So there's a it has to be right The dick is not interesting Yeah anything I've mentioned you may wearing a skirt, everything I made. If I remove pantos, everything I told you is done.
Starting point is 01:07:31 It's over. There's nothing. It's nothing. Right. Other than I like pretty legs. Right. So then I really got very curious. I want to.
Starting point is 01:07:41 I've seen a bunch of pictures of cocks and pantos. I got extremely curious. I want to feel it. So maybe I am. Like you say, you say I am straight, but I do, I guess I like a cock. I'll just admit it. I like a cock as long as done the pantos. So I wanted to touch one.
Starting point is 01:07:57 I want to feel it. So I ran across another guy in Fet Live, got comfortable. So we met at the hotel. And so finally he, you know, we played around. And then when he took his skirt off and I saw that talk, I was like, it's so erotic to me. And so, you know, he sat down and I just, remember I told you with Ms. Taylor?
Starting point is 01:08:21 I just wanted to lay on her thighs and just feel it. Well, I did. laid on his thighs. I'm just looking. First, I just wanted to look. And my hand was shaking. I remember taking my hand, and when I ran it down his shaft and felt it underneath the panty hose, it was more erotic than I thought it would be.
Starting point is 01:08:38 Right. It felt amazing. It looked. And so I did. I rub my cheeks on it. I got real close to it. I didn't want to put it in my mouth. I don't really have a desire to put it in my mouth.
Starting point is 01:08:52 I just said I did run my tongue down the shaft. I kissed it. I'm sorry. And then what's really herodic is we both rub our cocks together under panty hose, like my cock on his. And it was something about what nylon does. If a guy's not sure, do you want to try something? Take your hand and just jack yourself off. It feels great.
Starting point is 01:09:15 But you put pantyos on and you rub your cock on something. The nylon tickles or does something. It is an amazing feeling when something rubs. across your cock and it's under like very sheer nylon. I wonder if like a guy who's listening to this who's completely straight that never, you know, had a desire for panty hose. If he went out and just tried it because he's like a horny guy and is like try anything
Starting point is 01:09:38 once, you know that kind of guy, which is a lot of people, right? Went out and got like whether that would be a turn on or you have to have that sort of thing in you that likes panty hose. somebody, one of my listeners,
Starting point is 01:09:48 please go out someone who's not into pantyhose. Go get a pair of panties and try a panios and try. and try what you just said and let me know if it's a turner. Because I bet you maybe it is. You know what I mean? And a lot of guys just don't have never tapped into that. Well, I think most guys are a little, they feel funny doing anything feminine. I would have, I'd be stunned.
Starting point is 01:10:08 I think every guy straight or whatever. I think every guy at some point has tried something on other wife's or girlfriends in that I right, whether it's panties. You did? See what it felt like. Yes. I think they slipped them on one time. And there's no way in hell they're going to admit it to anybody.
Starting point is 01:10:23 But I can't imagine, because we love soft things on us, and we see you women, you see where there's got to be a curiosity. I'll tell you're something fun you want to do. I love putting pantyos on and get, I found like one in my oldest pair of jeans I've ever had way too short, small. And to put them on and feel the tight jeans so tight, but it slips right on like silk. It just sliding. You feel it's so restricted and tight, but it slides on because the pantyos have it slide on like, like nothing and when you zip it up and it's all tight but just slipping around in there it feel yada figured out how to do that i ran into some guys who were scuba diving in some springs and the guy had pantingos on it freaked me out and i i even said your your scoobie goes it gets your scuba suit on if you're full scuba suit you slide your scuba pants on takes an hour to put them on and says the panty as they slide right on in two seconds right and that's where i got the idea of my jeans so so yeah i'm i'm okay with
Starting point is 01:11:23 fact that a cock and panties turns me on. When I met with that guy, I loved it. So that's when I said it took me further. It's just one of the spokes. Like I say everything. You know, you're like a really good explainer because you really do like, you know, I might say like, oh, you're into text, but like the way you really break it down and the way you really, like I said, explain it in the way that you do, which is good.
Starting point is 01:11:50 It really helps me to understand it and see it. from the way that you're telling it. You know, like I'm not you, so I don't know, right? So I could just assume these things. I'm not no professional, so I just throw shit out there. You know what I mean? So it's interesting to hear your point because, like I said, you do really know how to pick it apart and you're a very good explainer.
Starting point is 01:12:08 A lot of people aren't. So, and I think that, you know, people will really be able to relate to a lot of what you're saying because of how you're explaining it, you know, and you're really pinpointing things in a way that I think maybe somebody else couldn't express, right? the same way, but it's what they're feeling, right? Right. I mean, what I would love to do is, you know, I see these couples of Fet Life. There's a couple I ask if I tell them if you're out there.
Starting point is 01:12:35 Bean Townhose, they are the best. He dresses completely, she dresses completely, she's got one of the most beautiful legs I've ever seen. And I wish my wife and I could do what I see. They're dressed up. They take pictures. She will, like, slide her heels on his cock and then take her heels off. and slide it on this car.
Starting point is 01:12:54 That's another, I don't know if I mentioned, but somebody's supposed one thing that's a very big turn on to me is the whole little power play, a little dominant, I guess. Right, right. And so somebody asked me, when I said, you know, because I'll go to the bookstore, I told you the bookstore and that the girl's feed me them. I tell them what I like. And I would be the side of a woman putting her heel in a man's crotch is just so incredibly around, not the ones where they like smash it into oblivion.
Starting point is 01:13:18 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know people are, but just. No, but more subtle. All your stuff is seems very. subtle even all like even when you meet with the guys you know it's never never goes to a place of very hardcore right I mean you didn't like it's all subtle and very well here's why I mean I women like if I ever had a woman dominate me I want her dressed beautifully I love the some guys like the hot leather and all that not me I like the banker look the hot mom look
Starting point is 01:13:49 up. I love the elegant dress. And then when I, like if a woman's in like a business suit, if she was going to dominate me to see her so beautifully dress her hair and these gorgeous legs and just upper class and then she's going to like lay me on the ground and like step on my dick. It was like, that is so hot. So the girl that sort of asked me why. I said, here's, here's the way I see it. To me, Ledger's so beautiful, so feminine, so delicate, so innocent. And then you see these heels. And to me, heels are so dominant. And I said, It's kind of like a rose. The rose pedal is so beautiful.
Starting point is 01:14:23 You mean, women like rose, it's a beautiful pedal. You know, okay, it's beautiful. But then you have these thorns. Right. It'll get you if you don't look out. So to me, it's kind of the same thing. The legs are like the beautiful pedal, so innocent and beautiful. And then the thorns are like the heel so powerful and so dominant.
Starting point is 01:14:39 So there's a lot of ways you can play spoke. These are all different spokes. Well, let me get, can you get back to what you were just saying about fat life? Because we're going to wrap it up. And I want people to be able to log. get into Fat Life if they want and see that video. You said you'd give a shout out. Also, you were just talking about a couple who, like, is, you, you find really super hot in what they do. I forget the name. Can you spell that out so people could maybe find them or also find your video that you said
Starting point is 01:15:05 you wanted to give a shout out? Sure. Their name is Beantown Hose. Like, like, you think, what's the nickname for Boston? Beantown. Okay, so Beantown H-O-S-E. H-O-S-E, yep. Yep. Okay. They just use the word hoes. Yeah, they are. But no, get ready. Get ready. Get ready. Beantown hose.
Starting point is 01:15:25 She's got the most beautiful legs either. Because you know what a pair of legs is? The beautiful hourglass shape, the knees, all that. She's got beautiful hourglass shape to her legs. They're not bow-legged looking. Right. Okay, but wait. And now where could people find that video that you said was so hot that?
Starting point is 01:15:41 I mean, if you don't, listen, if you don't want to share that, I totally understand. That's up to you. Oh, well, I've got still pictures of it. and at some point I like to put the whole video but if you want to I guess look me up and see the picture because I've been with a couple guys those were the two best I don't want you to out yourself though
Starting point is 01:15:58 so I'm assuming you're fucking smart and on FetLife you don't have any face pictures or anything that someone could recognize you okay great okay last thing I want is like you know some kind of problem here so why don't you let people know your name on Fet Life so they could see your still shots and stuff and maybe even communicate with you
Starting point is 01:16:15 if they want to reach out to you sure It's I N-G-G-S-2. I-N-G-S the number two. Yes. Okay. And that's all one word on F-L-L-L-L-E-E-E-E. Yes.
Starting point is 01:16:31 I've used that name, screen name for years. And F-E-L-I-F-E dot com, if people want to know, so that they could go and see your stuff. I would definitely like, I mean, you know, we just started tipping into, like, getting into, you know, your specific things that you've done. I'm sure people would love to hear more
Starting point is 01:16:53 of your stories. You know, I would definitely have you back on again and, you know, and get more information from you. Like, because normally I don't, I do like to go much more personal with somebody, but you were so, like I said, such a good explainer and talking about like stuff in general that I think was very interesting to people because I have so, I have a very large panty hose audience now because of the couple podcasts that I put out. So I think people are going to really, you know, really enjoy what you talked about generally. But I think towards the end,
Starting point is 01:17:27 when you got really personal and started telling your stories, I think people are going to be really into that and probably want more. We have to wrap this podcast up because it's already, we're past over an hour, but, you know, I'd love to get more of those at some point so we could do a part two.
Starting point is 01:17:40 Sure, but you know, quickly, the reason I did that is because I've had this fetish for so long, And I've always wanted to explain to people why. I mean, why we guys have this. So it's easy to tell stories. I'd love to tell stories, but I just wanted somebody and people to understand what it is with us guys running around could be any fetish.
Starting point is 01:17:58 But with this particular one, so to be able to come on, it was awesome, be able to kind of give you the background, anybody listening, because I hear people say, what is a fetish? I just want them to understand how it makes us feel and just the psychology of it. And that was really fun for me to tell you. tell you. No, and it was fun for me because I'm always trying to figure it out. And it's hard for me to figure it out because I'm a woman, A, I don't have a panty hose fetish, right? So to hear from somebody like you who really has it, who, and who also is, you know, very passionate about not only
Starting point is 01:18:28 panty hose, but about, you know, the whole psychology behind it, right? The reason why you know this stuff is because you're into that. To be able to allow you, I mean, I just had to sit back and allow you to do your thing and explain it, I think, was really interesting. Typically, I don't allow for that on my show. It's very different, but I was like, why not? And I, like I said, you did a really good job doing it. I think people will enjoy it. Thank you
Starting point is 01:18:53 so much for calling in. I learned a lot. I'll tell you, Kathy, what you need to do. Forget the Haynes and all that. I heard people tell you, quickly, if you ever saw it. Yeah. Yeah. Cecil Bel-Raphael's, Pretty Polly's, Omar's,
Starting point is 01:19:09 Wilford, I promise you. Oh, Wilford, yeah. Wolfford, I know. but not for anything, right? Yeah. Oh, they're going to blow your mind. Okay, those are your Panyos recommendations. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:19:22 Okay, John Smith, thank you so much for calling in. Let's do a part two sometime and we'll get some more stories from you. Okay, and so if anyone wants to find you, I feel like there's going to be a lot of guys that are going to want to maybe chat with you, go to Fat Life. Or you could email me at strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com and I'll send maybe people over to you. I don't know if you're open to that. I won't give them your email or anything, but I could make connections.
Starting point is 01:19:42 that way I do that for a lot of my guests. Well, if you want to throw the email, it's a private email. It's at Yahoo email. Nobody's going to see it but me, so it's a big deal. Oh, okay, so I could always forward that over to them too. Or do you want to give it right now? It's actually really easier for them to just contact you directly. Sure.
Starting point is 01:19:59 It's the same as Ings 2. It's just at yahoo.com. So I N-G-G-G-S-2 at Yahoo.com. I-N-G-G-S-2 at Yahoo. You could contact Jim. John Smith, Jim, John doesn't fucking matter, fake name. John Smith there.
Starting point is 01:20:17 You could go see his fat life. And anyway, thanks so much for calling you. I look forward to talking to you again. Thank you. Thanks, John. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book,
Starting point is 01:20:28 it's called Strictly anonymous confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available, not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audio book. It's still not going to be out until August 25th. but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show.
Starting point is 01:20:49 I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck story. There's a gang-being girl story. Like I said, 17 stories. And they're all told in the third person, and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person.
Starting point is 01:21:09 And I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like Penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories. 17 of them. They're really short chapters, easy read.
Starting point is 01:21:27 You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format. And finally, the audiobook is available. coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint. Okay, there's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay, I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content
Starting point is 01:22:00 with each other. And that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you can win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private, like I said. All you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the ebook, or the paperback. Send it to me at strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com. That's strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com. And I will send you. the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in.

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