Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 338 - Jamie's New Girlfriend Totally Loves that he is Bisexual

Episode Date: June 1, 2020

Jamie recently met a woman who not only accepts that he's bisexual, she digs it. How did he break the news to her? What was her exact reaction? Have they hooked up with another guy yet? Tune in to find out plus hear all about when he first realized he was bi and how he experimented, the first time he actually hooked up with a guy as an adult and what exactly happened, his cuckold fantasies, , his cross-dressing fetish and how far he has taken it, what him and his girlfriend have done at adult bookstores, what his previous girlfriend found in the shower that totally got him busted plus a whole lot more!   **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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today I have on a guy named Jamie now Jamie called me he was actually one of the not one of the first ones he was actually the first person I spoke to and taped while stuck in quarantine like right when shit hit the fan and I have to say it was very hard for me to get my stuff together figure out how I was going to get everything accomplished uh and start taping again and he was the first person and I remember like hanging up the phone and being like oh my god that was so great it was such a pleasant, lovely conversation. And it was so great to get out of myself and talk to somebody about something that had nothing to do with this fucking bullshit that we're dealing with now, which is corona,

COVID, whatever you want to call it. And Jamie wrote into the show, he's a bisexual guy who's always been with women, bisexual on the down low for most of his life. But he's in his 50s and he met a girl and he decided to just put it out there with her. The way he put it out there with her is kind of interesting. Stay tuned for that. he talks about it. But he put it out to her and not only was she okay with it, she was like down for it. Like her fantasy was like, oh, I'm always into being with two guys. So, you know, they're like a matchmate in heaven and he's super lucky.

And he talks all about how he met her, what they do together. They go to adult bookstores and get it on. She's into some pretty kinky things too. So he's definitely met his match. And it's not like he just likes her sexually because of all that. I mean, he happens to have liked everything else about her, but this is, you know, this just is like the icing on the cake, right? That when you can meet somebody who will accept you for exactly who you are, and he's living that dream. So I think it's interesting to hear him talk. He also talks about how he discovered he was bi. He definitely considers himself bisexual. We talk about that.

We talk about how he feels about his sexuality. We talk about how when he realized he was the guys he's hooked up with, things. that he's done, things that he's not done, and all that good stuff. So I taped him a long time ago, and I have to say, I think because I was finally talking to somebody, I was talking a lot and cutting him off more than ever. And I apologize. When I listened back to it, I was like, if I could edit out all these interruptions, I would, but I just didn't have the time for it. But I do cut him out a lot. I'm working on that. I'm also working on saying, like, somebody commented on, I don't know if it was on YouTube or a review that I say like, like, like all the time. And I have to say once I heard it, I was like, oh, it's so fucking annoying. Right. So right. There I go. Right. So I'm trying to stop that. I'm trying to cut people off less. So bear with me. This one, you know, this is before that seed was planted and I was on it. So I was cutting him off. I think more than ever. I mean, I'm always going to cut people off on some level. It's just the personality type that I am.

But I'm trying to do it less. This guy I did it more. And it is, it was annoying to me when I edited it. But I don't think it'll be annoying to you. I think it'll be like business as usual for people that know me and know how I cut people off. But anyway, I'm going to be right. But so I apologize and I'm working on it is what I want to say.

But anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Jamie. How are you today? I'm well. Thanks. You do? I'm good. You're good. Oh, yeah, right.

I don't even want to get into that because I don't want to, I'm going to do a whole separate podcast about what's fucking going on out there. But let's just talk about you today. And your story, I mean, you're a little similar to someone that I had on recently, whereas, I mean, the, the sort of a tagline is like you're by, right? Do you consider yourself by? I'd have to say, yeah. Right. You're married?

No. Just with a girl, right? Yeah. I was married for. about 10 years. But the girl you're with now, right? How long you've been with her? Less than a year. Oh, but, oh, okay. For some reason, I thought you're with her for longer, but she knows, right? And she's down with it. Yeah, which is really odd because my previous relationships, I never said anything. You know, I always kind of kept it to myself

and did things that I probably shouldn't have. And I decided with this one. I decided with this one. that I was tired of doing that, living that kind of life, and I just decided I'm going to just tell her up front, everything expecting her to say, well, that's not really for me. And she surprised the shit out of me by saying, you know what, hey, that's cool. We can have a threesome. It's like, okay. Yeah, like that's crazy, right? It is. And she had her own kind of secret fantasies that she told me about.

She had this fantasy about being with two guys, not realizing that one day. Yeah, one day one of them would be her boyfriend. So that's something we've talked about. And yeah, she's really cool. But let me ask you this. How long into your relationship did you tell her? it took about a month okay that's pretty early on because listen you're only dating her a year right so I figured it must like you know what so I mean a month into a relationship that's pretty new to just like sort of tell somebody that but that's that's I think it's like better you weed out the like if you're you're because you were like I guess I'm assuming just ready to have like like just ready to put it out there because you don't want to waste your time right to have another sort of relationship where you have to not be yourself and a all that kind of stuff.

Exactly. I just didn't want to go live that way, you know, sneaking around. And so, yeah, things started off great with us. We really hit it off. And she was like, we just felt it was like perfect. And so I was kind of hoping that I could tell her from the vibe I was getting that she might be understanding, at least maybe be able to work with me a little. bit but um after she just was totally cool with it I just thought all right this is going to be

really good and it's been great ever since and um so we're talking about but what I want to know though before because we'll get into like I want to end on like where you guys are at and what you guys are doing and all the stuff that like you know you guys have planned out for yourselves but what I want to know really quick and get into sort of is like your passion right and because is it correct i don't know i i don't i feel like i got the idea that from your email that maybe your ex-wife had caught you or found out about what was going on like what what happened there well my last relationship went on for about five or six years and that was your wife no okay um my wife goes way back okay um for like 20 years ago but

my last relationship things is when it started started out good and normal and everything and then i think just a lot of my own personal stuff started to come to the surface and i started acting out and um acting out meaning like you were like going and hooking up a guys behind her back well i was going to these places you the you know like the a BS and what's ABS um A lot of people know it as adult bookstores. Oh, okay. And they have those video booths and stuff. Yeah.

With glory halls. Yeah. And so, you know, while she was away at work and I was home, I'd go explore. And one day I had some stuff that she found. They were like some girly clothes. And so her first thought was that I was seeing somebody else. Cheating, right. Yeah.

So I was like, all right, I have to tell you something. It's mine. And so she seemed okay with it, but it always became one of those things. Like, I'm okay with it, but I don't want to talk about it. And so it was just kind of like that. It sucked under the rug, right? Yeah. I mean, and from then on, and things were okay, but I

was still living this double life and eventually it got to where I just I couldn't do it anymore and we wound up splitting up and I have to say I just have to tell you really quick like I just tuned into like some old season of 90 day fiancee because I just like sort of hopped on board that train and it's like a really fucking good show and I the first episode was about like a guy and a girl and the girl comes to his house and she's like snooping through his stuff and she finds like a girl's panties in there right and she's like what the fuck and he's like oh they're yours or they're my ex-girlfriends but my mind now from doing my show I would think like a regular girl and be normally before my show and I would be like you're fucking cheating on me right but I was like when I was watching that I was like how do you know that this is he's probably his he's probably wearing them now that I do my show and I talk to so many guys I'm like you know how many girls have found shit like that in a guy's house, right? And there was a big blowout. And like I think as a guy, right, I feel like it's kind of ballsy of you to have said,

oh, yeah, those were mine and I, and I wear them. Because I wonder, I think some guys might rather say, oh, yeah, I fucked another girl than admit that they're wearing panties, right? Like, I mean, in that moment where your girl's accusing you, I wonder how many guys, you know, sort of would cop to it if it's their panties, right? Or, you know, I don't know. It's interesting that you were like, oh, no, I got to tell you something, you know? Well, you know, I think in some cases, I just kind of felt her out and I knew how she was going to be.

And I knew, like, if I admitted that there was another girl, she would not take that well. I just knew that this wouldn't be as painful for me to tell her. Yeah, I think guys when they get busted, I think guys who actually are cheating with other girls and do have, like in the opposite situation, if there's like guys out there and you get busted and you have other girls panties or bras at your house, like if your girl finds them, like just tell her you were wearing them, right? Like, I mean, they could, they could flip it, right? Well, yeah, but now you have to live with that decision, you know, the guy's going to have to come up to it. And maybe he could use it. And then later down the road, he'd say something like. Like, well, I'm over it now.

I'm past. Yeah, yeah, I just tried it. I don't know. Yeah, it would be a good cover. Do you think? Yeah, but I don't know. Now, did you, so she just like swept it under the rug. So it didn't really break up your relationship with her, right?

No, there were other things. I mean, we continued on. And she was pretty understanding, but it was, but then there were times that she wasn't, you know. And, of course, all the questions about my sexuality. and this and that. And I was like, you know, I was probably always like this. I'm sorry, it just came to the surface when it did. And it had always been there.

And all my life I tried. But besides copping to the wanting to wear it, did you cop to the fact that you were most likely by and into guys? Or was it just like, oh, I just like to put this kind of stuff on? Well, as things progressed, I had told her other things that I was, that I thought that I was. by and um and she had found other things that i was uh using shall we say um like what you know anal stuff um so and and uh that's a two plus two equals four i mean like how you know but uh and there

was one time i had i had to start out small in order for me to work up to what i wanted and And, uh, you mean like anal stuff? Like, yeah, because I had, I got this really, it was kind of a big one of those ones you, uh, it's rubber, it's suction cup and it sticks to the wall. And I couldn't, I got that, but I couldn't do anything with it. So I had to start out smaller and I went bigger and bigger and until I actually did get that. And there was one time actually. And I mostly, I can't believe I'm telling you this stuff, but. Um, why?

just because I never really talked about this to anybody. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, so I was in the shower, and that's where I usually was using that stuff. And my worst nightmare came true where I forgot and it was in there and stuck to the wall. And she found it. Oh, my God.

That was a little embarrassing. And it was the big one? It was like the biggest one. Oh, yeah. It looked like this big rubber dick sticking to the wall. Oh my God. Where were you when you heard her screaming? Like were you like in the other room?

I was out of the house. I was gone and I only found out about it a few days later. But I was like, well, I couldn't explain that in a way at all. So I just said, yeah, well, you know, I was cleaning. So now you started out like really young and you have memories, right, of things that you did with guys. I think you said like you remember once actually kissing a guy. You remember like maybe having crushes on guys when you were younger? I mean, how far back does it go?

Your memories. God, like, and the sad thing is I was in Catholic school at this time. And I was young. And, you know, there was this, you know, experimental things that we did and, you know, hanging out with the boys. I'm talking we were maybe seven, eight. eight years old. I mean, really young. And I remember just it was about, you know, we'd show each other our stuff. And I think it even went as far one time as we would just play with each other.

Like from like high school in there was I was pretty normal. It didn't do anything. It was my young, very young. And then as I got into my adulthood, right. It was when it changed. But when you were young, did it register? Did it register? Did it confuse you? Did you think about it or was it sort of you were so young that you didn't really put it together even for yourself? I just didn't address it at all. I didn't even know what it was and I didn't even know sexuality or gay or by or whatever. But I just remember I had friends in grade school who I knew were. I could tell that they were obviously gay, just, you know, the clothing and stuff like that.

I mean, this was the 70s, and I even got into it not realizing, you know, with the floor tops and nice trousers and everything. And not even, you know, and then there'd be like Halloween's where I would dress up as a witch. And not knowing about a gender or anything. And I dress, you know, like a, like a witch, a female. Right. But I was too young to know, well, you know. well, you know, boys aren't supposed to do that.

But I was just so oblivious to it. And I just moved on and had a normal heterosexual life for the most part. You were super into girls, right, as well. Absolutely. And as I got older into my, probably my 20s is when it started to really come around. And the other thing about this is a lot of guys will say things like, and I've heard this, where they want to dismiss it and maybe get rid of all the things. they have, but it's like a boomerang.

You can't get rid of it because it always comes back and that's what's happened to me. Right. You know, I've always tried to dismiss it and say, no, no, I'm not going to do that, but or feel that way, but it always comes back. Mm-hmm. And so it started to come back to you like in your 20s is what the next time you sort of remember it. Yeah, I had a, my, one of my first relationships when I was late teens, early 20s, after

that ended. I was in this middle period there before I met my next girlfriend where I had met this guy. And he was, you know, and I never really could say that I was attracted to guys. But this one particular kind of struck me. And there was something about, I don't know, he was very kind of feminine. you had soft features and we started talking but this was like the late 80s and I think part of me wanted to pursue it but I just was so terrified of the stigma attached to it that what if somebody finds out that I'm you know gay or interested in a guy like that I just couldn't do it so we talked for a while hung out and then we just moved on from there and and I never forgot that. It always kind of stayed with me through the years, but...

You didn't fool around with him or anything. Well, yeah, I kind of did. Okay. I went to his house one night, and we were watching porn, and all of a sudden this was the first time I ever had oral from a guy. Right. And I just was like my mind was blown, like, holy shit. but um and did you go down on him no no i i think i think uh partly wanted to but i was just so

like out of my head i wasn't even thinking about it but he took control of the whole thing and and uh he did that and we hung out a little bit later after that night and then we would talk on the phone in the days after and then it just kind of fizzled out like I think he wanted more with me and I just I don't know I just couldn't do it I just was too terrified of like going all the way kind of but you know yeah if I if I my mindset was like it is now back then yeah I mean it could have been a lot different I just really didn't come to the understanding of it until way later on and And I would have definitely taken it further. Where did you meet that guy, though?

Like, was this just, was this a guy that, like, did you go out sort of looking for a guy that was going to be someone you could hook up with? Or was this like a guy you met at work and then things sort of went down that path? This was odd. It was, I actually, I hate to say it, but I saw his number on a bathroom wall. And an ABS or whatever you called it? No, no, no. It was just a regular.

It was just on a wall and there was a note attached to it and I can't remember. And I remember the first time I called him. He said hello and I hung up. Yeah. And I was just like, no, what the hell am I doing? Yeah. And like a minute later, the phone rang and he called back. He must have star 69 me or something.

So I was just very. walking on eggshells with this and I just kind of talked to him and I was like yeah I called and I wasn't sure really what to say so it just kind of went from there and uh wow I forget I mean that was like so back in the day

when there isn't like all that stuff that's all the stuff that's available now right so like if a guy wanted to hug up with other guys right he could just like write his number down someplace and someone comes across it like I mean how do you know that that's what that meant was there like a note like here's my name a number i'm down to fuck like i mean like no i think it the the note was some kind of reference to his uh his dick to his dick oh okay and then you called

so i was like hmm okay i was curious you know and i was really just i think curious and wanting to just know more and uh uh so i thought this would be the first guy ever meet that is gay yeah that i can talk talk to and he was really sweet and everything and uh did you kiss him no never did but i mean he he was the kind of guy that like like i said if i my mindset was like it is now back then i would have uh i would have been more interested than i was that i showed because he was and i was just like he wanted to do things and i was like no i'm afraid they don't want if people see us and things like that and I just I couldn't do it

and I wound up I met a woman and she was the one that eventually became my wife back then but I would still periodically talk to him and then so much time went by and I never heard from her song again but do you think that you would have like ever given say you were like single for a long period of time

and you didn't meet any women and you met a guy and you really liked him sexually Like, do you think that you could have a relationship with the guy as well? You know, that's the thing I've asked myself a lot. And I think I've never given it a thought like it would be like no way. But I think, honestly, I could. But I'd be, I'm very particular. I just, you know, I think in general I'm not very attracted to guys.

But there are certain types that. you know, like any guy would say, oh, yeah, he's attractive and not mean it in like a gay way or anything. Totally. Yeah, there are certain guys. Like, I like the, you know, the softer features, the clean shave and smooth and kind of almost the femme kind of way about them. So, and that makes sense because my first attraction, which I found really unusual when I first discovered this was cross-dressers or trans girls. Oh, really?

When did you realize that you were into that? Oh, I don't know. I just saw a picture one day of this woman and then she had a dick. And I was like, oh, wow, that's something. The best of both worlds for you. I mean, right? Yeah. And so it kind of grew from there.

I mean, my first attraction was there. And then as it got on more and more, I was like, well, you know, maybe a guy. Maybe that kind of androgynous look is attractive too. But when did you get into the wearing panties and stuff? Because a lot of times I hear it's like, you know, the guys that want to wear it, they want to be the really effeminate ones, right? But like, I mean, you seem pretty open to all different things, right? And that you were into all different things.

Because when did you realize that you like to dress up yourself? Well, like a lot of a lot of guys who will talk about dressing it all starts around the same age, preteens, or even younger. You know, they find they go through their women, their mothers, draws and find panties and stockings and things like that. And that's where it started for me. And I think I was maybe 10 or 11 preteen. And I found the satin panties my mom had. And so that became a thing. And I would do, I'd go to that because they would always be there for some reason.

I don't know if she just never wore them or they or what, but. Yeah, she probably didn't like them. She probably never wore them. Well, who knows, but maybe, but I did. And they were quite soft. And I just loved the feeling. And I think most guys will say that that's what they, you know, identify with is just how it feels.

And so it started with the panties and then then I would feel stockings. Ooh, these are really soft and silky. And so it went from there. And I think that's where I first got the interest. And over the years, that just grew. And I never really went full on with it, like full dress. It was just more of a fetish, if you will. Um, and, uh, over the years, I would just do that on and off.

And those are the kind of things I was telling you about before, about my previous relationship, what she found. And so. She found everything. I mean, were you able to ever sort of live out those fantasies with her, be considering she knew about them? Like, did you ever bring it them into even your guys play with each other? Like maybe you put that on or maybe she straps it on and fucks you in the house? That's what you wanted. I don't know.

Well, not with her, no, because even though she was almost, it was a side relief that there wasn't another woman, she still was uneasy about it. Like one day she would say she's okay with it. And other times, she just would fly off the handle about it. So I just wouldn't talk about it. But this, my, my current girlfriend, she would, the dress thing, she has a little bit of a hard time with. But as far as my confusing sexuality, she's totally cool with. So, I mean, it's not confusing to her. No.

Is it confusing to you? Sometimes. Sometimes I have to wonder about it. But like I said, there's times when I've totally just wanted rid of it. And I don't want to think about it. I don't want to act on it. And those feelings always come back. You know, they, they, uh, you have this interest in like there were times I'd have

clothes. I just would get rid of it. And, and maybe a couple of weeks later, a few weeks later, I'd be interested in wanting to get more. and the feeling of wanting that male attention again would come back even after I would try to tell myself that I'm not going to do that and I don't want to act on it. Yeah, but you know what that's saying. There's a saying, what you resist persists, right? Interesting.

Yeah, it's very true. I forget who told me that of what I was trying to resist, but it kept coming up. And it's only when you accept it. And then you would probably realize that it wouldn't. maybe boomerang so much, you know, because when you're pushing it so like too much away, it winds up coming back full force, right? Because you're just not allowing it. So that what you resist, persist things is very true. See, that's where I'm at now. I've just fully accepted it. And especially with this relationship, I mean, she's totally cool with it. And I can talk about it. I can even show her

pictures. I send her pictures of, of guys I felt were attractive. And, and maybe. and some trans girls who looked really pretty and then look down below and there's a huge boner, you know, and she would just, she'd kind of laugh and go, you know, but she was always, she's really cool, just rolling along with me on that. And what do you think is confusing to you about your sexuality? Is it that like, you know, maybe you'd want to be romantic with a guy? Because it seems like you know what you like, right? And you know that you're sexually attracted to men, you know.

that you like to sometimes dress up, you know, that you like trannies, right? Like you know what you know that you're a bot. I know you're a bottom because you know all that shit that was in your shower. Are you also like a top like are you a switch? You know, do you switch or you typically like a bottom or? Well, it's not like I've had a lot of experience. Yeah. But I would I'd say I'd be versatile but preferences bottom and

mostly. But I don't know. As far as my thoughts, it is confusing because I just never imagined that I would actually be like this today. But

I'm in an occupation that's supposed to be very macho and guy. But I just don't care about all that. I don't subscribe to trying to be something I'm not or trying to fit in with with other guys or this or that I don't care about that and you know I drink tea I don't drink coffee and I don't you know what I mean I'm just very just

I just feel different sometimes you know and but I'm okay with it really I I can honestly say I like myself I like who I am and I accept it and maybe I mean is it is what you're confused about more so maybe not about who you are, but about whether you want other people to know about it or whether you, right? I mean, I don't know. That's what it seems like maybe you're more confused about or unsure about. You know, I tread very close to the edge there with that. And sometimes, like, I'll make these really obtuse kind of Facebook posts that would make

People wonder, like, you know, but not out and outright admit, like, you know, come right out with it. It's, I may kind of dance around the subject a little bit, subject matter. And, but as far as announcing it, I just feel like that's kind of personal. And I have told some very, very close friends. and maybe a couple of members of my family, but for the most part, I haven't come out with any. I'm just wondering what part of you, why you still feel so sort of different, you know what I mean?

So I was just wondering, is it because you don't want people to know? Is it that you don't totally accept it? I mean, listen, you're on your way to figuring all of it out, you know, because you have finally met somebody who knows everything. right and you're being completely who you are right so I've told her everything I mean and the great the beauty of it is like there's nothing left to hide from her so I don't ever lie to her about anything it's it's amazing

I never like when I hear myself I don't lie to her at all about anything and it's great yeah so there's no reason to persist I wonder about why the you know the resisting you know it's because I've always I've been married to a woman. I've had countless relationships with women thereafter. So this whole thing, it's very confusing.

And I can see why a lot of guys who struggle with sexuality go through such a hard time, especially these younger kids. No, I think no matter what, no matter how old I get, it's always going to be a little confusing. Because just to have the thoughts, you know, and because you're not just one, you're not just one type. You know, I'm not just a straight heterosexual guy. I'm, I'm that, but I've got a little bit of a twist in me. And it's just like weird. I, like I said, I've just grown to accept it. This is just who I am. And, you know, so. Yeah, I would think, I don't know. I feel like there's something in your.

sort of not being able to still come to like sort of full clarity about it. Maybe is because there's a little part of it that you haven't sort of really come to terms with. And I think maybe that could be, I don't know, you correct me, is that maybe you are not just by that you would maybe eventually at some point or would be, okay with, you know, being with a man as well? Like romantically, like having a relationship, what that, what that would be like, you know, that whole world. Thank you. Well, at this point, it probably won't happen with the relationship I'm in, but she's open to the idea of having another guy where.

Yeah. And even she's totally cool with me being fully with him, but while we're together. Of course. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I have no interest in really going behind her back or doing anything that she doesn't know about with someone else, whether it be a guy or a woman. Right. Because I have that luxury of having her there and know about it. So it would, you know, it's, I have everything. And even some of my friends have even said, you hit the jackpot.

You know, I've got both if I wanted it. So knowing that, it kind of slowed me down a little bit and wanting to really pursue it. I still have the interest there. It's in my head. But you can pursue it now, though, right? Yeah. But she would have to be included in it somehow where I wouldn't do it without her. I know that there's a lot of couples who go out and have sex and their partner isn't right there.

that's something that we we couldn't do. Not now. Listen, you're a very new couple. You've only been together for a year. You know, you're still sort of learning about each other, right? I mean, it's a year. That's a very new relationship. You know, five years from now, seven years from now, if you're still together, you know,

you might get to that point where you could do things like that, right? But I think right now I get why she. would still want to be right there with you, you know? Yeah. And the thing is, too, is like she, she's had, like I said, she's had this fantasy about another guy. And so when I told her about my thing, she was totally cool with it. And, and again, I'm another one of those guys that would just has this thing about watching

some other guy with her. I don't know. It's just crazy, but I would totally get off on that. Um, but it just, it wouldn't work the other way around. She just could not and she's even admitted she can't handle the idea of me being with another woman. But you probably don't even care about that, right? I, and that's the thing. And I told her.

I said, you know, I don't even care. I said, I have you. You're, you're perfect. You're the fantasy. You know, and so I don't have that interest. And so. Right. She meets all your needs for the woman aspect in you.

But for the guy, you like a baby, you know, it's, it's like a different thing. But the fact that she would allow you to have all that variety over there. I know. It's just like, holy shit. It's like I can't believe it. But, you know, this, we're, I'm in my early 50s. You and I aren't too far apart in age. Yeah, right.

And she's like in her mid 50s. So, I mean, this is something that's going to go on. And we'll mature and settle down after a bit, I'm sure. But just to be able to capitalize on some of these fantasies is definitely something. And I'd love to see come to fruition. Well, what are you guys talking about now? Like, have you had a guy yet? Let me ask you a quick question, though, because I don't think I've ever, I've asked this yet.

Have you had sex with a guy? Like, have you been penetrated by a guy in your life ever? A real man? Like, besides these dildos that you've used? There was one time. There was once at one of those at the ABS I was telling you about. And in the beginning, when I'd go there, I would just go, I'd watch the video, and I would just kind of peek through the hole and watch other guys,

not really doing anything, but I would just watch. And there was this one time, then, I think it was the first time I'd ever done that. A guy stuck his dick through the hole, and I just stared at it like, okay. Did it go any farther? Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was like, okay. So my first thought was, okay, touch it. You know, so I had to, so I did.

And I started playing with a little bit. And I was like, all right, you know, maybe I should try this. And it was my first time I ever did oral on a guy. And I got real close to it. And it's like, okay. So I did it a little bit just to try it to say I did it. And I didn't finish it or anything. so and that was the end of it but that got the interest really there so i would continually go back

at different times and became more and more habitual in that way and there was this one time i was doing that and the guy came over to my side he just came in i was like holy shit it wouldn't you know all right and uh i think i was just so turned on by it all um i laid on Um, he fucked me right there. And, uh, it was, uh, it was interesting. Um, but nothing ever again happened. He was the only one that ever did that. But I, I just thought, okay, this is, this was cool. Did you like it?

Um, I, I think I did. Yeah. Uh-huh. Um, and, and that was it. And, and then, uh, I can, I just used, uh, my own stuff. I use the, you know, I try the butt plug or those other, um, the suction dick I told you about. And, um, but that thought of when he did that was there as I was doing it. Like, yeah, this, maybe I could get into this. And, uh, but, uh, it never turned into something where I became, uh, fully obsessed with it and

doing it all the time. Right. You only did it once, really. Right? That was the only guy, right? That one time, I guess I just wanted to know what it felt like. And it was cool. It was, I liked it. And my girlfriend now talks about wanting to peg me. I guess that's the term. Yeah. And so, yeah, I'd probably be into that. you haven't done it yet with her no she talks about it and she's got these other ideas and we've been trying to arrange to have another guy

but you would think it would be the easiest thing in the world to do but there's so much involved logistics as far as scheduling and when people are available and that sort of thing and it's just been an ongoing search then it just has not yet really come to be. But the one thing we did do together, which was kind of cool, I took her to one of those ABS places. I said, let's go.

Because we both had this idea about wanting to be watched. That's where it started. You know, the idea of being watched. So we'd go to this place. It was a bigger one where we could both be in. And there were the windows. next to the booth. So we actually went full on right there and had guys come to the booth over and watch

through the window. Oh, so you're, so set it up for me because I've never been in one of these places. So you're like in a room and there's windows and you can see the people looking in or you can't see them. Is it like a two-way mirror? Yeah. It's like they're almost, it's not like a old phone booth used to be. They're bigger.

Yeah. And in the adjacent booths next to them, there's like a big huge cutout window and you can see what the other guy is doing next to you. And so we went into this bigger room where we both could be and she would start going down on me. And we left the window open so that guys could come in and start watching. And we actually, I think she rode me right there. in the chair while they were watching and that was kind of hot being watched. I'd never done

that before. And I'm assuming she was into it as well, right? Oh, absolutely. Right. Yeah, she had that whole thing in her. Absolutely. And so then it became okay, now

now we have to find a suitable guy that will want to join us and And so that's where we kind of are now. But why haven't you let her peg you? I'm surprised. It's not that I haven't let her. It's just we, I don't know.

She's done other stuff to me without, which I like. Like used your toys on you, like just instead of just right strapping it on. it's different. Yeah, stuff like that and fingers and she'd even use her tongue on me, which I love that. Right. And, but it hasn't come to that full where she takes charge, that kind of thing yet. Do you think maybe that's something you're into? No, I would, it would be a new experience to have a woman like, fuck me like that.

would be a while. I would think especially because you're into the tranny like you've always like chicks with dicks right? This would be like your time to sort of live that out. Absolutely. So it would kind of feel like that a bit. It's something we definitely will do. Um, just hasn't gotten to that point yet, I guess. But you know, when you get older, it's like I feel like if I was like 25 and I was talking to be like it's been nine months like it's been a long time since you told her like why haven't you? But you know, you get old. and you know life just goes by so fast and you could get caught up in so many other things that you just don't get to things as quickly sometimes you know what kathy the thing is is like with her i was pretty tame in my previous relationships we'd have sex maybe once or twice a week right and i'm in my early 50s and she has taken she's gotten this hold of me this that has charged me up to where i'm like an animal with her and it's so amazing. I just never thought at my age that I would have this energy

and the stamina. Oh my God. It's like incredible. And so sometimes I struggled to keep up with her and she's older than me and it's just, but it's amazing. I just, it's like the best sex I've ever had. Yeah, that's lucky. And I'm surprised at her age because normally women are like going through menopause or been through it already, you know, or around that time where they're like completely losing their sex drive, right? And instead, you guys are like, it just, it's like she's on fire. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, it's just amazing. And she like, we would do it every day if, if, uh, our schedules matched. Um, but, uh, the times we do, it's, it's like sometimes two, three times in the day, morning and night and and it's like oh my god but it's so awesome she's just incredible

and just to have this other uh scenario brought in when we do whenever that might be uh we'll just uh it's like a fantasy come true i mean do you guys live together uh we do yeah right and went how long into your relationship did you guys move in together uh it wasn't it didn't take long right maybe uh a month maybe six weeks something like that um but uh i'm away from home during the week um for my job So I'm basically only home weekends. Oh, no wonder why you're fucking every day, like 10 times a day. I think other guys will probably listen to you like, how are you fucking seven days a week, two times a day? But it's really like two, it's like really two days out of the week.

It's, yeah, but it's like Friday night, Saturday morning, Saturday night. Right. I mean, it's like, but it's great. Where do you meet her? How'd you meet her? On a dating site. It was one of those. I was a little reluctant to do it.

I didn't really want to meet somebody like that. That's how everyone does it nowadays. That's the way. But see, the thing is with her, it's like, I went on just wanting to have someone to be casual with, not in a serious relationship. And that was my mindset. I even wrote that in my profile.

But I would just be, I just wanted to, you know, because I was coming off of this other relationship that wasn't, it just was getting messy at the end. And I felt like I either just needed to be alone or maybe just to have a companion, someone I could casually talk to and not get serious with. And so we started chatting and became phone calls. And then it became every day. And then we finally met after about a week. week or two. We met in person and it just bam, like took off from there. And I was like, oh, well, so much for that idea of casual. But you know what? But then I just felt like, okay, this, you know, maybe it seems a little soon, but it felt good. It felt, felt okay, where I didn't feel any kind of pressure of, of her wanting to change me or,

really get heavily serious and it grew on its own. And now it just, it felt right. Like the pace was, was good. Like, especially because, like I said, my job, I'm there and then I'm gone. And so it had a nice pace to it. And what's her history? Like, was she always, like, sort of very straight-laced when it came to Sax? And with you, she's, like, letting her freak flag fly.

or was she always sort of open, very open-minded? Or are you the first guy that she's told that she wants to fuck two guys? Like, what's her deal? Well, I'm the first guy that she could actually be herself with, too, because her previous relationships were so controlling by the guy. She couldn't, you know, she always got questioned if she looked at a guy or talked to a guy that she, you know, maybe wasn't supposed to. their eyes. And, and, uh, so she felt like she could totally be herself with me. And,

and she was in a few long-term relationships that never grew into anything more than just a relationship. Um, but, uh, from what she's told me and I believe her, she's never really in love with any of these guys. Um, she just, it just became a, you know, uh, I, um, I, um, a situation you just go with, you know, you're like kind of on autopilot. You don't really think much about it. And then when things come to a head, I guess you get enough nerve to say, you know what? I've had enough and that's it. And then she found me and I became like this really huge, important person in her life.

And has she ever been married? never got married she came close never kid no kids um she has she does have two kids from uh an early relationship but they never they don't live with you they're out of the house they're they're grown and i have a i have a daughter as well she's grown and out of the house as well so now does she ever question your sexuality like as far as like oh do you think like you're gay would you want to be with a guy you know like your other women like your other wife did once she knew what you were into you know or what your last relationship did i mean does she ever has she ever questioned you oh yeah yeah you know and my last girlfriend was not very kind and

you know she wasn't very understanding and no but this one does this one question you that's oh no right as far as like what does it mean that you want to be with guys are you gay are you so you know does she have it is it does she ever question that herself oh no because i i told her like i said i told her flat out i told her everything i told her the truth like after a month we were seeing each other and i sent it to her in this long text in a text how were you like talking no it's interesting but like no what were you talking about well i i just it just came out of nowhere i just decided you know what i'm just going to spell it all out and i knew we'd follow up with a phone call and we did um but

But I told her specifics. You know, I said, I really think I'm by. I don't remember exactly what I said. It was a long text. But she was totally fine with it. She didn't question me. I think it felt like there were times like I could get this sense. Like maybe she was trying to steer me away from that a bit.

And I said, you know, I told you. And so she is okay with it. But sometimes every now and then I feel like maybe she's like she wishes that she could have more control over that. And she wants to be more to me than than I would ever desire from somebody else like another guy or something. Right. She wants to know that she's giving you everything you need that there's nothing else. Right. Yeah.

Ben, I told her. I said, you know, you are, you are the fantasy. You are it. You are. Right. She can't give you what the guy. Like, it's not like it's like she's not giving you something. It's, it wouldn't, it couldn't come from her, right?

So like I get why she feels that way, right? That she's not giving you everything. But it's also that she's giving you everything that you would ever want from a woman. You just, unfortunately, I don't know if that's the right word, like also would like something from a every now and then and it's just she it's apples and oranges you know what I mean she's just it's not going to happen with her well no but like I said there's still always that opportunity that we would engage with with a guy um we've talked about um eventually one of these days when all this shit goes away about going to one of those um places yeah sex social clubs you know that has

like a swingers club or something yeah something like something like that we've talked about wanting to try that it's a little scary though but uh i think we're interested oh you exhibitionist you'll love it oh yeah yeah but it's uh it's still a little scary you know to actually engage in that sort of thing and uh but she is up for it and um so i can see it happening um at some point but but but But she's, she's all the woman that I could ever want. And I'm, I'm very happy and content with that. And the guy thing will come when it does.

So I'm not, like, obsessed in having to chase after it right now. And you wouldn't have to, and you don't have to lie about it. And I think that's what the great thing. I mean, I just had a guy on recently who sort of had the same thing where he was able to sort of, you know, not sort of live out his fantasies, his wife tags them all the time and they, you know, she knows that he's into guys and they could have their cuckleding fantasies. They talk about it, you right? Like they have that kind of dirty talk when they're with each other. And then he doesn't have to go out and fuck guys behind her back. He never has, you know. But I have the opposite on all the time. Like there's so many guys

out there that have, you know, have this as a secret, right? And every now and then, even though, and then there's some. There's plenty of them that do it and they don't feel bad. about it. It's like a secret life and it's very, they have it very compartmentalized in their mind is something different. But like I've had guys on here that actually are like, they feel really bad about it. And they try and really push it off for as long as they can. But then eventually it's too much. They have to go. They're with a guy. And then they feel terrible about it. You know, it's like a cycle that they go through. And they don't feel right. But they don't, they can't, you know, they're living a lie. Like their girl doesn't know about it. Right. So it's just so much better.

they try to rationalize with themselves i think and try to make it justifiable and there's a lot of women who won't even entertain the conversation oh that's disgusting you know and stuff like that but the women who at least will entertain the idea in conversation you're you're like halfway there you know and um but yeah i mean look at your girl though your last one i mean i think that that's a common personality trait, whereas like it's all right in front of her, right? But it still was never sort of fully realized or accepted, right? Because I think a lot of women feel threatened by by the whole thing when a guy has interest in something else other than them, which is understandable.

Of course. I, yeah, it's hard to start. to struggle with that identity and sexuality when you're not just one or the other, you know. But what about what do you think was going on in you that you felt like finally ready to really, because I think it's kind of very ballsy actually to put it out in a text very early on in a relationship. I'm assuming you like had some kind of feeling that this girl was super cool and open minded and she'd be accepting of it. But like, did you feel like even before you met her that something was happening to you that you felt like you really wanted to be more honest in your life? Yeah.

Things were definitely coming to the surface strong after the, with my previous, because I've been acting out for the first time. I was going behind her back and doing this stuff. And I knew it was accelerating. And the interest was there. I was going, I was even going to gay bars, not so much for what people think. It's more of a social thing. I just find that the people at places like that are more open and more friendly than your everyday kind of bar. It was like a place to kind of feel like you fit in, you know, because maybe you felt, if you felt a little off or weird about yourself, these were like-minded people who were the same.

and it was nice to be a part of that setting, you know, when I was doing that. Oh, yeah, my old co-host, he owns a gay bar, a very big, popular one. And there were so many guys that were like, you know, on their way home to meet their wives, they stopped in for a drink. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I just used to stop just for a little bit, you know, have a drink and just chat. And nothing, nothing ever came a bit like that.

But you did. I'm sorry. I'm just cutting you off, but like you did start off talking about, look, oh, and I would go to a gay bar and I know what everyone's going to think. Like, what do you, what is, what would you think people would think? Like, why did you sort of say that before you got into talking about you going to the game? Because I think that people, like, most people who don't know think a gay bar is like Sodom and Gomoror, you know, you go in there and everybody's naked and screwed. Right, right. I get it.

Right. Yeah. It's not like, yeah, I think the people have never been in. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's just like, it's not like that. It's people think it's, it's nasty. Right. It's not.

It's a very social, you know, very friendly open setting. And I really like that. And so. Have you and your girl ever gone together? Yeah, we have. We've actually gone to some drag shows, which are really cool. I love doing that.

That's fun. I just think if you guys went to a gay bar, you know, you might be able to find a guy that way, no? Yeah. Or we've even talked about going to like, just a regular strip club too. Right.

Which could be a possibility because she herself is also open to the idea of actually maybe being with another woman, which is kind of like, chick-ching, okay, cool. Oh my God. Imagine where you guys are going to be. two years from now all the stuff you're going to do i can't believe you haven't done half the things it's

already been like i said nine months but i guess like you know but like you said i you know you're it's such a new relationship and you're not around a lot right you're just around a couple days a week and you're just really enjoying each other right like stuff with you guys is so hot and heavy still you there's yeah right we're really getting into ourselves and uh it's it's getting stronger and better and so we'll be easily very secure more so even now than now to do all that other stuff. Yeah, eventually when like maybe, because I think what happens with relationships is over time, right? Even relationships that started out really hot and heavy over time, many, many gears down the line. You know, maybe it could get a little old and a little boring, right?

You know, and then what happens, you know, and that's when people start cheating and doing all these sort of elicit. things behind each other's back. But if you're the kind of couple that could go at that point and say, hey, let's start living out our fantasies like with with each other, right? Outside and be, you know, and make it, you know, add to your sex life by doing those kinds of things. It's like amazing. And I've heard those stories plenty of times on my podcast.

Whereas with that fantasy that you have, that one where you see her fucking other guy, like I have to tell you that a lot of couples say that when they started doing that, it just really rejuvenated their sex life. They come home. They fuck each other. Like, you know, sometimes they're doing it separately or together, but like afterwards, you know, their sex with each other is 10,000 times better than it had been in a really long time, you know, so those kinds of, you could always add those things in whenever.

You don't need it right now because you guys are so into each other. I totally agree. The idea of like watching her with somebody else, I just have the, I feel so secure with her. And yeah, it's, I don't understand why or how it is, but yeah, I feel like a relationship could be really stronger after something like that. Just because it's like we've said, we've, we talked about it in depth, you know, like, are we really going to be okay with this? And we, you know, what we have is like real passion and that is just sex, you know, it's just. So it doesn't, it's not like it's not like it. It doesn't mean anything.

But I mean, what the two of us have is something that goes way deeper than her being with somebody else. It's just it's fun. It's sex. And that's it. And it ends there. And it does, I believe, really strengthen the bond that the couple friends. If you have a good bond, I think. Yes.

And that's what you have to. Yeah. And like I've heard like a couple of your guests. some guys have talked about jealousy and this and that and you have to really be secure with yourself to to do something like that and uh yeah and i think some guys wouldn't i think some guys would be like just completely not into it and some guys maybe would think that they're jealous but because i've heard it all right and i've been doing my podcast five years now right and so there's like 300 episodes or whatever and it's like i've heard a lot of men and women who like i mean they

like if it was like 10 minutes before they saw that going down they would have bet a million dollars that they would have been jealous but when it happened they were like holy fucking shit like this is a turn on you know you just don't know right but you have to be um like I think you need to be really secure in your relationship before you go and do those kinds of things because god forbid things do come up and they can come up you know just because you know you're super open-minded and accepting of all kinds of things, there could be slight jealousy every now and then that doesn't go away. You are human beings, you know? So you have to be able to be really good at communicating, really close with each other, really trusting of each other to be able to talk through

those times when it does happen or if it does come up, you know, because it could, even with couples that are very secure and all that stuff, you know, like you said, even with your girl now, sometimes you feel like she might want to, she has a little bit of her that wishes she could give you everything, you know, and maybe she'll feel that way one time when you're with a guy and you're so fucking into his dick in your mouth. You know, you don't even for a second,

but she could be honest to tell you that and you could talk her through it and then it'll just pass, you know, whereas I feel like if couples are doing these kinds of things and they're not really talking or they're not really open with each other, if people keep that stuff inside, that's where like, you know, sort of passive aggressiveness and other stuff, you know, and then people, it causes all kinds of problems. But you're obviously the type of couple that will weather through it.

I mean, you haven't even done half the stuff yet because like you said, you're so busy doing stuff with each other. Eventually, by the time you do that, you'll be even a stronger couple. So you'll, I mean, I don't know when you're, you're going to go down that you have your first threesome, but I'd love to have you call back. I know that you did say in your email that she would be, down to joining us, but she didn't join us this time. But I'd love to have her on separately if she'd ever want to come on. Yeah, she could, she could give a different perspective and tell more of, of her side of her own background too.

For sure. Yeah, for sure. Guys always want to hear from a girl that wants to fuck two guys. Like, who is that girl? You know what I mean? When, when you have, when you're with someone and you feel like you're, you can totally say whatever you want and say what you feel. feel that's that's it's the best that feeling of of of and and no stress and no no no yelling at

each other over stupid shit you know it's just it's it's it's incredible and it does get stronger more as time goes on and and just be able to talk about this kind of thing that not everybody is comfortable talking about it's it's like a one once in a lifetime thing. And, uh, yeah, you're super lucky. And I mean, yeah, I, I really am. I really do feel it. Yeah.

And it's like you have the whole like you lived a whole half of your life as like one person. And now it's like you could like sort of fully be yourself, right? In the next. Yeah. Yeah. And how great is that? I feel like there's, I've heard that a lot from like with people that live a double life. A lot of people around that age.

your age, right, our age, start to feel like they really don't want to, like they really want to be who they are and they get the balls up to really put it out there. I've heard it before. I don't know what that is. They either will ramp it up or wind down, you know, and just accept, well, this is how it is. This is my life. Or do something about it, you know.

And like I said, I took a risk by telling her. all this stuff about me thinking that she would say well thanks but uh that's not my thing and but i knew i had to be honest with her because i just couldn't go into another relationship and continue on my behavior like it was but that's intention right there and that's how i believe that the fucking universe works before you even met her you had already decided what you what you were what you wanted you know what i mean and what you 100% didn't want. You were not going to have another relationship where someone didn't accept you.

So you drew to yourself somebody that would. Do you know what I mean? Because that's exactly where you were. And I believe in that, you know? I kind of, yeah, I think there was a part of me. I guess I felt like she would accept it. I wasn't so nervous about the idea that she wouldn't. I guess there must have been a part of me that felt like she would be okay with it.

Otherwise, maybe I wouldn't have said it. Yeah, but because you had already made that decision with yourself is why you attracted somebody that was ready for that too. And that's how I believe life works, you know. So I think, you know, and I say this all the time. Like, you know, you see if somebody has that desire and they keep thinking about it and they're ready for that in their life. Like whatever that is that you're ready for shows up. You know, you were ready to put it out there exactly who you were. And so therefore you met a girl that was like okay with it, you know?

And that's the way it works. And I say that because for other people, you know what I mean? If they're starting to feel those feelings of like, oh, I really want to let my freak flag fly or I want to be, you know, know that it'll happen for you. Just like follow that feeling. You know what I mean? And it's like and I think it's like your story is a really great story. And that's the thing. I, there was a bigger part of me that wanted to, like, just say I had to tell somebody.

I felt like I was, like, kind of trapped inside my own self by not being able to get it out. And I think there was a part of me that not only wanting to be honest and upfront in this relationship, but also I wanted to just, I wanted to get it out too. Yeah. So, yeah. That's great. And now you're going to get out a lot more and have a lot more fun. And now you also got it out on my show and now everyone can listen to it.

I have to say this was an incredible, awesome experience. And thank you for. No, and I have to say, you're the first person I've taped since this fucking change in our life has happened. I don't even want to, like, you know, say the words, coronavirus. But like, it's so, it's been so nice to have a one hour of my time not thinking about, you know, what's going on. you know, and just talking about like the stuff that I normally talk about. Do you know what I mean? Like regular life.

Absolutely. We'll all get back to regular life soon. I'm going to do a coronavirus episode separate from this. So I don't want to get into that. But thank you so much for calling in. And thank you for, you know, taking my mind off of things for an hour and sharing your story. Absolutely. It was a pleasure.

Talk to you. Awesome. Thanks so much for calling in. Okay. Bye. Bye. Okay. Okay.

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