Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 356 - Leon is a Terrible Dom

Episode Date: October 5, 2020

Leon is interested in BDSM and wants to be a dom, but so far he's pretty terrible at it. Why does he want to be a dom? What makes him so bad at it? What can he do about it? Tune in for all the details which include how and why being on the spectrum has negatively impacted his entry into the BDSM world, how it has also impacted his relationships and sex life, how being a dom can actually help him, how he initially got into the BDSM world, who he met online and how they have helped him, what actually goes dow at the swingers clubs he has visited, what he witnessed that totally freaked him out and a whole lot more.  **The more I talked to Leon, the more I liked him and I'm sure you'll feel the same. So don't miss out on this one. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous Podcast. Strictly Anonymous Podcast. Conversations with online strangers. We place ads online. The Craigslist is definitely like the gift that keeps on giving. Real people respond. You go to Singapore or Thailand. You can't not do it.

The temptation is just too much. Your friend know that you're banging her or no? No, he has no idea. And anything goes. The motto of the show, let your freak flag fly. Probably the only good advice I'll ever give you is to rehire. your wits and chain. Here is your host, Kathy.

Hey, welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast with Kathy. If you want to follow the Strictly Anonymous podcast on Instagram or Twitter, follow the show at Strict Anonymous. Today I have a guy named Leon. Now, I forgot how much I loved Leon. You know, I talked to him a long time ago. I've talked to a lot of my big callers a long time ago. I still have so many episodes taped a long time ago that I haven't aired.

but I'm finally getting to them. I mean, I'll eventually get to all of them. And like I said, I forgot about how much I like this guy, Leon. I don't know what it was about him. I think you're going to feel the same way. Gives us one a chance. Like, I mean, a lot of people aren't as into BDSM. It's not as popular as some other things, right?

When I air a BDSM episode, it's not like a millions of people are into that and listen. But this becomes an episode that's so much more than BDSM talk. I mean, this is a young guy. I mean, he's in his early 20s that's just getting into the BDSM world. And he's having like issues. And his issues sort of transcend the BDSM world. And we talk about them. He happens to be on the spectrum.

He's autistic. And we get a lot. We get into that a lot and how it affects his sex life, how it's affecting him in the BDSM world, how he gets inappropriate. what people say. And I give him, I think, helpful advice on how to move forward because he does feel like his autism is getting in the way of him really getting into this world and doing what he wants to do, which has become a dom.

He feels like he's a failure. And so I give him some advice. It wanted to be like a therapy session, but it's so interesting to listen because I don't know, you know, either you're on this. or you know somebody that is. He's a highly functioning autistic guy. Um, but he definitely affects his life. And we talk about that. And like I said, you know, either you'll relate because you know somebody like that or because you're that way or you're just going to find it interesting because he's an interesting guy and he's, I don't know, he's very heartfelt and kind and nice and open. And he was really excited to talk to me and

really put his shit out there. And I was really happy to. to talk to him and I remember feeling like I really cared about him at the end of that call. And after editing it today and listening to it, I felt the same way. I just love Leon. And I really am rooting for him. It's been a couple months since I talked to him. So I'm hoping after he listens to this, he emails me and gives me an update and hopefully he's doing better.

Maybe there's been some stuff that's gone down. I don't know with fucking COVID if anything has been able to move forward, but whatever. But I think you're going to feel the same way about him. So listen up. There's not going to be a lot of SCX. I mean, he does get into sex stuff. He talks about, like, he goes to clubs. I mean, this is not a guy that's like sitting at home thinking about BDSM.

He's gone into the world. He's joined FetLife. He's met a couple of people. They take him to some clubs. And he talks about, like, what goes down at these clubs, what he's seen and that kind of stuff. But it, like I said, it becomes a lot more than just a, you know, a conversation about SCX. And these are the kind of episodes that I fucking love because I have to tell you, I started my podcast because I wanted to just do like a call and advice show and just talk to people that had problems.

Turned into a show about people's like secret sex lives because I advertised in Craigslist because I didn't know where else to advertise. But, you know, it's not like I have to be talking about sex. It's like for me, I just like talking to people. I find people super interesting and I love helping people. And I think Leon's interesting and I think maybe I helped him. I don't know. But, you know, I think also, you know,

maybe he'll help you understand more about autistic people. You know, so I was going to say like either you're someone that knows somebody, either you're that way or you're just going to find him interesting or maybe you're a fucking bully and maybe you've been mean to people like him and after you really listen to this guy, maybe you'll feel bad and you won't be that way anymore because they think that you know, sometimes people don't understand people enough and they put them down or they judge them but you don't really know the backstory. So I think sometimes though when you hear it, you feel differently. So that's the other thing that could happen for the show. Anyway, I love Leon.

I think you'll love Leon. So stay tuned. I'm going to be right back on with him. How are you, Leon? I'm pretty good. Thank you. That's cool. I was going to say, how are you today but I'm because you're calling me from overseas like you're it's night time probably for you there uh yeah it's two minutes past eight in the evening there you go um so i we don't need to out where you're from people could probably guess from your accent but you run into the show and it's funny because i just literally taped another master sleeve guy bdsm guy and just aired it right um but you had set me an email before that even happened saying that you want to call in and talk about

your intro into the BDSM world and then I don't know you said something about like your failure I forget exactly what you said but something about you also want to talk about your failure as a dom or something like yeah so obviously I obviously saw your podcast and I saw the master white night or where it was and your you know before you call the guest you your your announcement says let your freak flag fly Yeah. And I thought, why the hell not? I wanted to let the flag fly freely and just, you know, let my story be told to you when we talk about all things nasty, you know? Yeah, totally. That's what it's for. Listen, I think that, you know, I think a lot of people think that therapy is like a really private place where people like, you know, feel comfortable going and talking about things. But, you know, you have to be, you're sitting in front of somebody and they're looking straight at you. So they know who you know who you. are. And I think that, and I didn't even do this on purpose, my show this way, it sort of all got

created in, kind of by accident, but it really works. I think, and it has worked for so long. And what people have said is that the fact that you're anonymous and I'm anonymous and we're not looking at each other, it just, it really provides us very, like the safest place you could get to really express yourself and talk about things. And a lot of times, people are on my show talking about stuff for the first time ever, you know? And like I said, people would maybe think like, why can't they go to say it tell a therapist? But it's like that person's like looking straight at you, right? In this case, I don't know who you are. You don't know who I am. I never look at a picture. You called me from WhatsApp. I turned my phone over so I don't see a picture because one time there was a

girl who called me from Australia from WhatsApp and there was her picture like right in front of my face. And she was actually really beautiful. And so it helped to her podcast because I like I talked about it. She was like a 10.7. But I don't like to know. people look like because it's not um it it it helps me too to remain unbiased and non-judgmental what we're talking right so my actual story like what i reached out to you about is basically i am quite new to the bsm world you know um i have i have seen it lots of times you know you think of your pornography the 50s of gray uh you hear a lot of people you hear a lot of people People use it in popular culture, you know.

But I thought, what would it be like to actually indulge in it? Yeah. How old are you that you just got into it now? Yeah. Well, it's very complicated. Well, not complicated, but it feels complicated to me. I was on a website called FetLife. Yeah.

For the past three years or something. But I actually started doing something. you know, at sort BDSM, uh, last year, starting ending of last year. So you were just dipping your toe in a couple of years ago and then you didn't get up the balls enough to really do something until like two years in is what you're saying.

But how old are you though now? I am currently 22. Oh, so you're, oh God, you're super young. So, I mean, you're right out of the bat. You're getting it. You're, you know,

letting your freak flag fly, which is, is great that you, you know, I'm thinking like, oh, if you're like 45 and it took you three years to sort of do it. No, I mean, you were like 19, obviously, right? When you signed up for Fet Life and got on there. And then you finally got up the nerve to actually experience it in real life.

And do you want to talk about that? Sure. So I won't lie. It was pretty scary. It was scary as fuck. Yeah. Seeing all these, well, sorry, hearing all these talks. toys being used,

moment after moan after moan. And I thought... Why, were you in a dungeon? Or like, where were you? You got to paint the picture. Because what do you mean? There's toys and noises. So,

so, um, before I plucked up the courage to go to see an actual case of BDSM, I went to munches, you know, where you just gather and just talk all things, kingy and not actually do anything. Yeah, it's kind of like a meeting. For people that don't know a munchy,

munch, munchies, munches, whatever. It's like I've heard about it before from other guests. It's like an event where that world sort of gets together and talks. It's typically held in like a hotel, right? No, we mostly hold hours in clubs or pubs. Oh, really? Okay. Never in a hotel. As you said, you can tell by my accent, I am overseas.

Yeah. And in one of our major capital, not capital cities, but one of our major cities, we have a massive scene. Okay. We have a massive scene. Kingsers, male, female, trans, CIS, whatever label you want to put. They're all there.

Yeah. And we hold multiple months throughout the calendar year. We go to them and, yeah, it's for newbies, veterans, in the middle, whatever your story may be. The community is welcome, you know. Yeah. So, but the particular reference, sorry, particular instance that I was referencing, I was at a place called the Cages.

That's K-A-G-E. Uh-huh. And that was my very first play event, my actual first taste of BDSM. Right, right. So you went to the munches first just to get a feel for what was going to happen. And then the first time you went to, like, the real place where stuff was going to be going down was this place called the cage and i'm assuming it's like a bdsm club yeah it well it's more a swingers club okay does have bdsm elements yes oh interesting how much was it to

get in over there like how much do they charge for that kind of place it was about 15 british pounds and how much is that a u.s dollars do you know i'm so dumb i don't i don't know either okay i'll write it down i'll look it up in my uh and then posted in the intro anyway it doesn't matter so okay So you go now, did you go? Because a lot of times here at Swinger Clubs and people have talked about this on my show that a lot of them don't allow single guys by themselves, right? They have to come in with a partner. I didn't go on my own. That's what I was wondering.

So who did you go with? I went with three other people who run a month in another town here in my place of the world. and they were kind of like my, I don't know what you call it, but basically they were three veterans of the scene whilst I was a newbie. Oh, okay, that's cool, right. So they sort of led you into it.

And where did you meet them on Fat Life? And were they people that you met? My first, then I started going to their month. And they were like, you know, we have plans to go to the cage. We're wondering if you want to come with. And I was like, yeah. but, you know, I struggle with travel and I struggle with all this.

And they were like, oh, no problem. We'll help you out in that accord. And we'll get you there and we'll get you back. Yeah. So they knew what they were doing. I unfortunately did not. So I just went along for the ride. Now let me ask you, these three experts that you have, were they all males?

Were they males and females? One male, two female. Okay, cool. And were they Dom subs, all subs? Do you know? One of the, the, the man was. definitely a dom because he's had experience, but he can switch.

All in fact, all of them are switches. Okay, cool. Mm-hmm. A lot of them are switches. But all three of them prefer, well, all of them prefer submission.

Uh-huh. The other two prefer dominance. Right. Okay, cool. So they, yeah, they were kind of like my guiding hand into the scene. Right. And so they bring you to the cage the first night, right?

And that's the place that you walk in and you were like freaked out? Um, yeah, because I don't know what it was, but something inside me was kind of like, come on, man, you've got to get involved somehow. Like, you've waited for this for a long, long time. You've had fantasies. You've masturbated. You've, you know, you've done whatever you can just to like feel like you're somehow in there.

But this is a real thing. You've got to, like, get some memories out of it. You know what I mean? Yeah, Carpe Dia. Yeah, Carpe Diem, right? I mean, you're finally there. Like, this is like the top of the mound. for you.

Unfortunately, not to, you know, disrespect to you or anything. But due to my autism that I told you about. Oh, right, right. Yeah, I forgot about that in the intro. I don't know what Carpe DM means. Oh, it means like seize the, it might be American. Like, it means seize the moment.

Like, you know, you only live once. Live life. You know, yeah, Carpe DM. So, yeah, definitely. It was definitely a Carpe DM moment. Uh-huh. Yeah. And I wanted to seize it.

However, I got a bit to overzealous. Right. I will hold my hands up and I'll with me. I got a bit of overzealous. Yeah. And I made a lot of people. So I made people feel angry, let's say. Why?

Did you cross lines or boundaries that you weren't supposed to? I didn't cross their personal lines or boundaries. I just threw my overzealous app. and the fact that you're technically not supposed to talk while you're watching a scene. Mm-hmm. While you're watching a scene at BDSM, you're not allowed to actually talk or gasp or whatever verbally. Right. You have to do it like really under your breath.

Mm-hmm. But I did it too much. And they were like, you know, you're kind of making us feel not uncomfortable, but kind of... You know, like, it's not needed basically. They need to focus and they need to concentrate on their partner and their equipment and, you know, their scene. Right. It's kind of like if you're at a show, I mean, or a play or anything. Like, you know, the audience doesn't fucking talk.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So obviously, I got asked, you know, to observe, you know, see what it's like, see what goes on. see what, you know, what happens, like what you would do in a play or a, uh, yeah. And was it was it like, because you had said, you know, initially when you started the combo in this direction, you were like, you know, when I first got into it, it really freaked

me out and it really scared me like what I saw and heard. Yeah, it does because, um, I didn't expect it to be this impactful, you know, I didn't expect it to be such a downright naughty community you know I've heard I've heard stories and I've seen articles and I watched films like 50 Shades

and I was like okay but I didn't realize how naughty they could get well like what can you explain what you were watching in like one of the scenes that were there and explain how naughty they were getting? Yeah sure so um one person scene that I can vividly remember

was that a female submissive have been tied on to like the St. Andrew's Cross and the dominant male was like whipping them and she was getting so turned on. I was like getting I'm allowed to go explicit on

I on this podcast. Sure. Yeah, of course. Uh-huh. Cool. I got a massive boner, basically. As what we call it here in the UK. I'm not sure if it's the same in America. Yeah, we we say boner too. Uh-huh. Cool. I got a massive borner. I got chills up and down my spine. Uh-huh.

And I was just like, oh my God, this is, this is really. So originally I was like, yeah, okay, it's intense, but I love it, you know. Yeah. But the actual thing that made me freak out is a frankly embarrassing story, but I thought, you know what, fuck it, let your freak flag fly and just go all out, you know? Yeah. So I finally got. an opportunity to make a memory, you know, here at the cage.

Because my three regulars who I went with, inviting me to do some wax play as a dominant. Oh, interesting. Okay. In a scene that was taking place, so you guys were going to do the scene, you guys were going to get it on kind of with some submissive. Not getting it on,

but we were just, we were just helping our female friends feel good with some wax. Okay. we were like pouring it over their body and pouring it over their shoulders, their breasts, their pussies and all that stuff and and um but there was a bit

there was a part in the experience where I legitimately got freaked out because one of the females was entering into subspace you know because she was feeling so much pleasure and like eroticism. What subspace? What did you say she fell into, she was getting into what? Um, no, I can't, I can't properly say what it is because I'm not a veteran dom. Yeah. Uh-huh.

But some states is where they literally just like let it happen to them. Basically, that's the best I can explain it. Oh, like they just lose themselves and now they're completely submissive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, cool. Okay. Subspace. Right. That makes sense. So she's so. horny she's in subspace she's there you're pouring the wax on her and then what happens that freaks you actually like was it was like you know how in a situation where you where you like when you like get a stroke or get a whatever and you start um fidgeting about like you've been electric electrocuted yeah uh-huh you know like when you like spasm out and all that and you have to call an ambulance don't you I guess if it's that bad yeah yeah um

I saw that happen to the woman. So wait, you're pouring wax on her. She's getting wax poured on her. And she's like spasmed out so bad that an ambulance had to go? No, no, no, no, no. Sorry. Okay. I'm confused.

No, I understand that. I might have confused you. Basically, I was using a real life incident as an example. Right. So she spazzed out. Like she got that sort of shock like reaction. She got that much pleasure from the wax. Okay.

Uh-huh. That she was, that was her way of subspace. I didn't know at the time. Yeah. Uh-huh. I didn't know at the time that it was her way of entering subspace. Yeah. So I was like fearing for her life.

Oh, I got it. Yeah, yeah. You were like, you thought something was wrong. You didn't realize something was just really right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So the man, because he's done wax play with these two women.

mean before he was like it's all right it's all right you know she's okay she's going to be all right and I was like are you sure like I was literally like a freaking out yeah I was yeah I was yeah I was literally freaking out and I was like are you sore because and it was like yeah I've done this to her before she's okay right right that's this is how she reacts he knew it because he'd seen it before exactly yeah and I was like all right I believe you, but, you know. And it was like, yeah, I get it. You know, you've observed all night.

And now you're finally getting your chance. And it's scared you. And I was like, yeah, you're damn right. It has. Yeah. But he was so reassuring. He was so calming about it. You know what I mean?

Yeah. He literally had that sort of wearable to, like, calm me down before he continued on with anything. No. And, you know, it's so interesting about, that whole scenario because I haven't had a lot of BDSM people on my show. I've had a couple of people that are like, they call in about other things and there's a little bondage going on in their life, but not like hardcore doms or like, you know, Master White Knight.

I had another guy called Bondage Guy, we called him. And I spoke about that on the last episode. And but these guys, Master White Night and the Bondage guy, they were in it for so long. We were just basically, they were just giving me overviews of like what goes on. But to talk to somebody like you, you know, at such a young age who's just. getting into it.

I would never think about that scenario. That's probably very common with a lot of people when they first start out. That you're, you know, you're a human being. You're a nice guy, right? Like,

you're freaked out that you're actually hurting the person, right? I mean, like, exactly. Like, my gentleman instincts were kicking in. Yeah. I was like,

what the hell am I doing to this woman? Like, am I even, like, is she even okay? Yeah, like, I've never thought,

like, that would be such a great question if I would have thought it to have have always asked. the bondage people that are on my show like in the beginning like did you get freaked out by really hurting somebody and and sort of wondered whether this is a right but you know and here you are saying it and I'm like why didn't I ever even think that that would probably be a part of like the beginning of a story of somebody entering into the world yeah so um so then after that um we you know we carried on pouring more wax um they were like

getting very excited by it, getting very pleasured. And I did feel good afterwards, you know. Let me ask you a quick question and I'll make sure I remember where you are in the story. I have heard that there are like there's regular candles with regular wax and then there is. And I learned this on my show once and I was like, oh, that's interesting that that exists, that there are special candles that people use that have wax, right? that isn't as hardcore. Am I correct, right?

Like there's like... Now that I'm not so sure and I'm afraid I wish I could answer that. Right. So you don't know if that was like these like hot wax candles that aren't like that are made for that specific thing and they're not like really hot hot wax. They were coming out in multiple colors right on their body. Right. So it might have been a special brand of wax or whatever. Yeah.

I feel like there's some candles that they could use in that. So it's not like exactly hot wax, but it is really hot still, but maybe safer. I don't know. I'll look into it and put it in my, you know, it's interesting. So after that, I started feeling okay again. Yeah. And I finished it off and I was like, yeah, I've made a memory here. You know, but and as we, you know, we wait to get home and everything, we were talking about the night.

And yeah, it was absolutely fun. But the reason why, another reason why I've come on. here tonight is to talk about my recurring fear because I've not attended an actual in-person munch in ages, you know, thanks to scheduling and lockdown and COVID. I've not been able to attend a much in ages in person. But the first time, like, since lockdown, I went on a munch, and once again, the same effect happened. I gave people an uncomfortable feeling and like one of

of uncomfortability and I'm like, God damn it. Why wouldn't you do this time? Oh, no, I just I basically, you know, do you ever get the feeling that you're walking on ex-cells around some people that you can't actually say with your true feelings? Yeah, for sure. That's how I felt.

That's how I feel. about being a machine. Really? It's like, yeah, I feel like I'm walking on eggshells. But maybe you are. Like, what I'm trying to say is, like, what I've noticed when I've talked to a lot of these people are, is that it's a world full of a lot of rules and a lot of boundaries and a lot of mental mind-fucking, okay?

Yeah. Right? So maybe everybody's in there. And when they're in there, all the doms are in their like dom headspace, all this. You know, I don't know. It could be like, I don't see it as everyone walking in there completely open, right? Like you go to a swingers club and everybody's like really open because everyone's going to fuck everybody. But like doms and subs and that whole world, it seems much more sort of closed off in a way.

But, and that's the way it's supposed to be because it's very specific. And it's just, it's just that's the way that it's set up. Does that make sense? Do you know what I'm trying to say? It does. Yeah. Unfortunately, I am not so confident. Like, if I'm in a social situation that's not kink or a kink social situation, I'm not good, you know, when talking to new people.

So do you, let me ask you this. Do you feel like you're on eggshells in any situation or just at these munches? Because you might just have another issue we could talk about. I think it's both. I will say it's both, both on the kink scene and in general. life. Right. I would feel absolutely, but you see, the weird thing is, and I'm not sure what this is about,

when I'm at a comic con, you know, like, conventions for like comic books and superheroes, I'm okay because I'm adopting a different persona. Yeah, well, duh. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. That's what that's all about a lot of times. It's like, you know, it's like, listen, there's some actors that will say that they're, like, completely shy and about a lot of things. but when they're in character,

they put on this whole, there's somebody else, right? So, and that really helps them express themselves because they can as themselves. So, you know, I think some people have that,

right? So, of course, if you're in Comic-Con and you're dressed up or you're somebody else, right? It's like you said, you're in character.

But why can't you do the same when you're in that world? I think you could create a character for, uh, the world that you want to get into. You know, if you want to be a dom,

you're got to be fucking master. white night you know you got to create your own name you got to get a whole new version of yourself that you're going to put on and walk into those places and be somebody else and maybe if you look at it that way it'll help you feel more confident yeah I get what you're saying you know what unfortunately yeah unfortunately that's not easy for me that isn't easy because I have been betrayed I've been heartbroken I've been lied to I've had numerous things happen to me in my lifetime. That's really not my confidence down.

Right. I understand that. But you said when you go to Comic-Con, I'm just trying to make it a little bit easier for you, right? Like when I get all those issues and stuff, like, you know, you have a lot of stuff put on you. Plus, you're autistic. We have to talk about that too and how that plays out in this world. But, you know, so you have a lot of stuff going against you to feel comfortable and confident in social situations, right? But you did say that at Comic-Con, you're playing a role. so you feel comfortable.

Now, when you go to Comic-Con, tell me, do you go in a total outfit? Like, how do you go there and feel comfortable? So when I'm at, sorry, a comic com, God, English, do I even speak it? Yeah, no, that's fine, go, yeah. When I'm at a comic-com, I get suited up.

I literally wear a three-piece suit because my characters wear suits in their respective, show, movie, game, whatever. Yeah. I mean, duh. I'm sorry, like right there. Everybody else that's hearing this besides me is thinking the same thing. Like, can't you go into those places with a fucking suit on or some out?

Like, I mean, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. No, I do. I don't want to make you feel, like, feel bad because, like, I don't want to end up, like, getting marks for this or whatever. Getting what? Marked for this. What do you mean marked? I don't know what you said.

No, mocked. M-O-C-K-E-D. Oh, mocked. Oh, you think that you would be mocked if you went in with a suit? No, but, I mean, listen, what I'm trying to say is... I don't mean that. I mean, just in the general sense, you know, like, say if I did what you suggested and went into the social situation with a suit on, people might, I don't know.

Well, what do they wear? Well, it would be from anything to downright. Nothing. Okay. So that's what I mean. Like, and I'm sorry to cut you off. I'll let you speak, but I need to cut you off right now because I want to try to keep your like sort of overthinking about things out of it, right? And explain to because it sounds like I think there's like a very simple solution because listen, you're not asked like, you know, if I'm giving you advice on how to deal in your regular life and have confidence, that's a whole other story. Right. And but you're, you're, this is a world like Comic-Con. Right. It's another place that you literally,

literally like you said some people come with nothing on some people have a total gear on right like you could show up there in an outfit or something that's not typical to you as you right and become somebody else and it would be totally acceptable in there because probably other people are doing the same thing and if you create your whole persona of the dom around whatever that is then you're walking into that place the same way you're walking into comic con as somebody totally different And you could do the same thing and have the confidence that you have at Comic-Con in the munches and in this world. And then once you do it once, you'll feel more comfortable and that'll give you the confidence to continue it. And then you'll be fine.

That's what I think. So first of all, thank you for, you know, being respectful and letting me speak after you said your peace. Yeah. Second of all, I truly apologize for making you repeat yourself at least three times already. Yeah. Because one of my autistic symptoms, I suppose you could say, because I don't really want to use that word, is I repeat stuff, either from the past or what I said about, I don't know, 30 seconds ago or something.

Yeah. So I do apologize for making you have to repeat that same advice. You're not making me repeat it. I'm repeating it again because I don't think you're hearing it correctly. It's not because I don't think you're not, listen, this conversation, I know that you say you're autistic, but like talking to. you for as long we've been talking for 29 minutes not one thing you've said to me or anything about you has seemed anything other than normal it's no different than talking to any other person like

nothing i don't get the like you know what you could explain to me where it sort of comes out in your life but as i'm talking to you i have to say i don't feel like i there's any disconnect or you're making me repeat myself i'm repeating myself because i'm just annoying but like because i don't think that you're like understanding it in the way that you could need to understand it. I'm just trying to make that light bulb go off for you because I really feel like it could really help you. That's it. And I thank you.

Yeah. I truly do. Like I say, I remember how I talked earlier about having an overzealous attitude? Yeah. Some of my other parts of my diagnosis means that I, when not even knowing it make socially inappropriate comments or actions or whatever so i don't want to like disrespect people but but like you said before it puts me in an overthinking situation yeah for sure well you're not doing that here right but i know that you do like you're not doing that

with me right now okay but um and i get and i think that's why you're like overly apologetic because you know that you do do that at times right and you're self-conscious about that but i have to say you've been nothing but pleasant and kind and nice and cool. If anything, I think I'm irritating probably because, like I said, I'm repeating because I want to. You're not making me do anything, okay? And, you know, I have to say that I want to get back, though, to, because like I'm assuming, like, when you said my failure as a Dom,

and this is what you're talking about, that you just not, you don't feel completely confident yet in that world, but you want to be because, like, you have an interest and a curiosity. and you enjoy it, right? Indeed, yes. Now, do the people, do those three people that were cool enough to take you and talk you through everything, do they know that you're autistic and that you have these issues, right? And so do they help?

Yeah. They are aware of open arms. Right. Uh-huh. So they really help you, right? Yeah. Absolutely. Now, have they been able to accompany you to another munch so that or, like, can you

have them close to you when you go to these things so they could like kind of nudge you when you're being inappropriate. Right. I don't know. Unfortunately, due to COVID and lockdown, we have not had a physical face-to-face munch. Right, right. We do talk on K-I-K kick. Yeah.

We talk on there. We have a group chat over there. We have Fed Life, which is our main where we met and stuff. but yeah if the time ever came again where if I was going to a bunch or I was going to an event they could like take me to the side and be like Leon you you know you do realize that maybe X Y and Z might hurt that person's feelings right and I was like what is like a typical like give me an example of what you might say by accident right because of your issues that offend somebody So I wouldn't say this is more of an accident, but it has not offended some people, but many people uncomfortable and call me a pervert.

Yeah. I have asked people in the kink community what like what their, what shoes they have on their feet, for example, right? Yeah. Because I'm a massive, I'm a massive, and I truly mean massive fan of stiletto heels. Right. you maybe have a foot fetish or a shoe fetish, right? I don't know. Yeah.

A sole heel fetish, yes. Yeah. But when I've said it to people, they're like, either I don't know you, which I can understand, or they're like, you're a pervert. Yeah, but are you saying that in the fat life world or at a munch or in the cage? Are you saying that when you're walking down the street at a deli? No, no, no, no. Never in the street, not in a deli.

It is a McKin community. And they freak out? yeah i don't know what it is i don't know what it is i don't know what it is either i've had people call me a pervert i've had people tell me that you know x y and z you know basically just things that knock me down like words that a bully would say pretty much yeah i don't get that though because i don't think that if you're in that world and everyone's a little sexed up and you know there's people walking around naked and doing a lot of cray, cray things around you, right?

And like all you do is ask somebody what the shoes they're wearing and they freak out. I feel like that's a little odd on their part. Yeah. And actually, a more common example that happens to me quite a lot. Yeah. Is I talk to people like in the community

and I am, you know, as gentleman as I can like I am with you. But then I tell them that. I'm horny, you know, because, like you said, I'm sexed up, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a virgin. I've never been blown. I've never been fucked.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Really? At 22? At 22? All right. We'll talk about that at a second. Okay, go on. Sorry.

Yeah. So, yeah, whenever I, like, most of the time when I say that I'm horny, they're like, hmm, I didn't want to know that, basically. Right. Well, maybe you're saying it when you're in a regular conversation with somebody. Like, I don't know. You might be a little awkward and maybe like you say things that are, would be okay in a scenario, but maybe it's not like the proper. Maybe you're like a really bad timing, you know? And I think you just need more experience under your belt. You're super young. Thank God you have those people that you're really close to that really know you and right. And they don't get freaked out by you and they know what you do. right and you're honest with them that they could continue to sort of take your hand and keep you going into that situation because I think that you'll eventually become comfortable once you find your way you know but to be a dom you're going to have to be a lot more fucking confident don't you think oh I definitely agree in a weird way you know it might be good for you to learn how

to be a dom in that world. It might help you in your regular life. Yeah. Like I said, when I read the articles and stuff, it sold at how normally shy people would grow into these completely confident badasses in their regular life. Because they learn that world, right? And everything. Yeah, for sure. And that might be, and that might be why it's appealing to you because you have, because it is another world and it is like what I was talking about like the Comic-Con part of you like that feels like you could not be yourself maybe you could be a dom and you could you know and and and then you could sort of express that part of yourself which is hard for you because I think we all have a little dom and sub in us right it's just a matter of sometimes people are expressing one thing more so than the other right

and maybe you have an inner dom and an inner part of you that you can't express and so that world then that's probably why you're drawn to that world because it's such an extreme, but maybe that's what you need to get in touch with that part of you. Maybe so. And also, I'm kind of drawn to mobster movies. Uh-huh. You're right. I'm like a massive fan of like that.

Yeah, I like mobster movies too. Yeah, I'm like a massive fan of the mob, especially like Lucky Luciano's era. Yeah. Like when he ran the American Mafia and I'm like, I'm so drawn to, that because of the power you think yeah i think it is because of the fact that that they exude power and authority and dominance and it's just to be quite honest is extremely hot you know right uh-huh

and you go like even though i'm straight yeah it is very hot to see grown men yeah bully their way into power you know right but maybe right because you want that for yourself well yeah i feel like i'm losing out right well you are you're 22 you're virgin you never been blown you've never had anything done like you know what the fuck like how could we change that for you have you ever had a girlfriend yes but um going back to what i was saying about betrayal yeah that's happened far too often and it's sometimes made me want to give up however i am i do not right so you had a girlfriend how long we were you your girlfriend for?

They only go for about one for two tops. Okay. That happens a lot of people, so you've never had a long-term girlfriend. No. Right. And what typically happens? Why do they typically, like, do you break up with them? Do they break up with you? Do you push them away?

Like, what is the pattern? So, my very first girlfriend, and again, this is a number of embarrassing story, but I am letting my freak flag fly. Yeah, I think that this will be beneficial to talk about it. Yeah, tell me. So my very first girlfriend came over to one of my residences

because I was moving house a lot from pillar to post. She came to my house and we were supposed to have pizza together. Uh-huh. Because like we'd got some pizza from a supermarket, brought it home. She came in like this gorgeous body suit and like, you know, we were going to hang out and all that. But then she first tried to force me to smoke. weed? Weed or cigarettes?

Cigarettes. Okay. So for the benefit of your listeners and for you. Yeah. I am completely straight edge. Yeah. And that means I do not drink, smoke, or do drugs. Right.

Uh-huh. And that's been a thing of mine all my life. Right. All my life. So she tried to force me to smoke. And I didn't let her. And she got a bit annoyed at that, but she was like, uh, well, whatever, forget it.

You know. Yeah. But then she decided to go a bit too far. She was a one who crossed line. You know how you talked about lines and boundaries? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She crossed a major one. What did she do?

She ordered a taxi and basically took me to her house and my mother and sister were worried sick. They were literally worried to high hell for me. Why? Because you were at her house? I were at her house, but I weren't answering them because she was trying to, you know, have me to herself.

So I couldn't, I couldn't answer the phone. And they were like screaming at me, like saying, come home, Leon, come home. But wait, was she, how did you know they were screaming into the phone

if you couldn't answer it? Voice mail. So you were answering, you were taking your phone, listening to voicemail, and they were like freaking out. Why were they so freaked out? You never leave home?

I mean, weren't you just gone for a couple hours? We'd just moved into that. house when my first girlfriend came around. Right. We just moved in like about a week ago, I think it were. Uh-huh. And obviously my mom had battled some problems in her past, which meant she didn't have me. Right.

So, you know, to have me back was like, hallelujah, pretty much for my mom. Oh, okay. So there's a lot of right. There's so, okay. So your mom and your sister are freaking out. You're at this girl's house. She's not letting you answer your phone for some reason, but you're listening to try to force me into having sex.

Well, because she probably was like, no, I mean, I laugh because you're like, so you've had chances to have sex, but you've like cock blocked yourself because she's your girlfriend, right? She tried to force you to smoke, but let's just talk this out, okay? But let me just say first. Like, so she tries to get you to smoke cigarettes. You won't. And she's like, okay.

Then she brings you over to her house and she wants you to have sex. You guys are dating, right? That's a part of a relationship. And why won't you have sex with her? I wasn't ready. Okay. I was not ready. I know that does take a lot of courage to say.

Yeah. And I can understand why you are laughing, actually. I can. But I wasn't ready. Right. I wasn't ready to take the plunge into having sex because, first of all, I thought, it would be customary for both parties to like get into other in the mood

you know what I mean? Yeah. Like with a little bit of foreplay or whatever. Before sets, but she was like immediately saying, you know, just fuck me now, you know. She was like, no build up, no warning, no getting in the mood. Just, she's just like, fuck me. Right.

But let me, but the thought of like, fucking her wasn't enough to get you sort of horny. Were you turned on by her? I did like her. Don't get me wrong. You know, she was beautiful. She had on a beautiful outfit and, you know. But it was like her and I had history from my,

from education. She was quite the trouble maker. I got made fun. of by some of the students in the school because of how much of a trouble maker she was and how she might take me down the wrong path. So I ended up breaking up with her at school. But then when we were like later on down the line, we, I thought she had changed. And it was like I was going to be able to grow like a good relationship with her.

And then get it up to the point where I could. have sex and maybe like raise a child or whatever but it wasn't going to go there but wait let me ask you this for your other girlfriends did other girlfriends try to have sex with you and you refuse was it always you refusing um no other girlfriend had even put that topic forward right it it didn't exactly get to that point you know now let me ask you this are you because you're 22 you've been in that world of, you know, fat life. So you obviously have these kinks. You love the heels.

And, you know, have you gotten off at all, like in the cage place? Have you ever gone like to a foot fetish place? Like, I mean, or is it just strictly you like home jerking off? And that's all of your sexual experience.

It is just been me masturbating. Right. That's all it has been. And what is it always that you master to? Is it always like the BDS? some stuff. No, to be quite honest, and you're probably going to laugh at this, and I wouldn't blame you. I jerk off over Beyonce knows a lot.

I am going to laugh. I was thinking, I'm not going to laugh at this guy. Why would he say that? But I am going to laugh. No, hey, like I say, I hate her music. I hate it. So you just find her, like, really hot. Like, you like the way she dances.

Is that what you're jerking off, too? Because that's okay. Yeah, yeah. I'm laughing because I just don't. like her music. No, that's fine. That's right. Also, I would watch pornography. Right. I'd watch, I'd watch people like Alexis Texas or

Jenna Hayes or basically all these hot, famous porn stars and I would joke off to them as well. But it's interesting that like you like these hot porn stars, right? And they're like super naughty. And then you have like the naughty girl in town that you're dating, right? The girl is going to take you down the wrong path.

You know, and like, you would think she would have turned you on. on when when no when i say naughty path when it comes to my first girlfriend yeah i was meaning a path that like of smoking of being high of drinking right right right right so she'd be compromising my code of ethics yeah yeah yeah okay sure so kind of dark path right now in the dom world like is it typical or in that world the bdsm world that you could lose your virginity in there and would you want to eventually you know when COVID's over and you could start meeting people again like meet a woman or a girl right that is into the BDSM world as well and so

you could you know get into that place together yeah um because the cage has like private rooms where you could actually have sex uh-huh and like orgy rooms like if you want to do like a full Orgy. Yeah. I would love to meet a submissive woman who could, like, help me through that difficult part of life, you know. Yeah. But do you think maybe you would need to meet a dominant woman and you would be the submissive? Or do you think in that scenario that you could go in and be the dom and have a submissive girl?

For me, obviously, I am still exploring. But for right now, it's me being the dominant and the woman being a submissive is what I currently crave. Right. That's what you're looking for. And that's what you want to. You want to lose your virginity to that. That's your scenario, right? Yeah, yeah.

Obviously, because I'm in the exploring phase, it wouldn't be out of the picture to try and be a switch. Right. Uh-huh. But right now, I just have this strong, strong craving of being. a dominant man. Right. And do you feel like the only thing blocking you right now is that you feel like sometimes you're uncomfortable in that world? I personally just think you just need more experience, you know? You just started. I'm inclined to agree with your confidence, more experience, mentorship. That would help me a lot. Right. Mm-hmm. You know, is there like your autism that you

have, right? I mean, there's certain, like, it's on a spectrum, right? Like, because... That's correct. Right. I mean, you seem pretty fine and normal to me. How does it express itself for you? So I'm what's known as a high functioning. Right. Autistic. My form of autism is high functioning, but if I can just load up the symptoms of my condition. Yeah. So most things would be An abnormal tone of voice so that I could shout one point, you know, and not know it. Yeah. Abnormal body posturing or facial expressions. Right.

That's why those people are getting, like, that's why when you're saying something that seems probably okay, like at these. Well, it says one of them is inappropriate social interaction and lack of understanding social cues. Yeah. You might be saying in a way or having a facial expression that people are like weirded out by and it's just because you you are on the spectrum right and you're so it's coming out the wrong way and it's not anything you know and maybe next time that that happens like you just if someone says oh you're a

pervert or like you know you could just be like oh I'm so sorry like I'm I'm I'm highly functioning autism like you know this is what I have and sometimes things come out inappropriate and I totally didn't mean it that way I'm so sorry like you just ever say that honestly yeah but obviously there is the point, there is the feeling where you're like, you shouldn't be so apologetic, you know. It's like you were saying about confidence and finding that confidence. Yeah, but no, but in that, but you know what happens to you though? And I feel like if you just did that, it would be like an icebreaker. Maybe that you wouldn't, you know, that you would end the story in a different way.

Because I feel like you have a lot of stories that end the same, which is you just feel bad about yourself, right? And then you have so many of those stories, right? They pile up and they just chip away at your insecurity. Whereas if you have that same story, instead of ending it where you feel like a fucking asshole because they think you're a pervert, that you say to them and explain to them and talk to them more like you're talking to me, like be a little bit more open, right? And just say, oh my God, I'm so sorry. Like sometimes things come out the wrong way because I have this. You know, it could really change the conversation. It could keep it going.

And, you know, it might have a different ending. And if you, if that starts to happen more and more to you and it could really change the way you feel about yourself. Because the way it's happening now, it's just you just, you're in this like sort of vicious cycle where these things are happening. It's not under your control. You have this thing. It makes you do that, right?

People react a certain way. And then you feel bad about yourself. And that just happens over. turn over. Yeah, on the other end of that, however, some people have, like, even my parents have gone so far as to call what I have a cop out. Just in case you don't know what that means. A cop out means, like it's bullshit. What are you trying to say? I don't understand. Your parents think that you use this as bullshit? Yeah, they're basically thinking that I just have, I use the fact that I have autism just as an excuse to either get what I want or whatever.

But that is not the case. No, I don't think so. You're describing specific instances where the only thing that makes sense is that you're, you are autistic, right? Because it doesn't make sense in any other way. You're not a creepy guy, right? You're a nice guy. You're young.

You have these very high morals and ethics. Like, I won't drink. I won't do drugs. You know, you're pretty clean cut. Yeah, you like BDSM. Some people would judge you for that. but who cares about those people, right? You know, but so, and but yet you have these moments and these scenarios that don't make sense, right?

Like you said, like I would tell someone about their shoes and then they're like calling me a pervert. But it makes sense if you, if you go through that checklist that you just told me is a part of your symptoms, right, that you have. But it doesn't make sense if that's not a part of the story. So it doesn't, I don't think it's a fucking cop out. I mean, maybe you do use it with your parents in a different way and they're talking. talking about something else. But in the situations where you feel that you, you know, people look at you funny and you say weird things and you ruin stuff and you probably have no control over it. But the only thing you have control is that you could maybe just explain to people. Because look at

those three people that really know you and know that you're, you're autistic and you have this, right? Like they don't shun you out of their life. They don't get, you know, they don't. Right. They're cool with you. It's because they know you. So you just have to let people know you more in that world so you feel more comfortable. And I suggest always explaining to people what the deal is. It's not a fucking cop out. It's the truth. Thank you.

And I appreciate the fact that you are like me, your understanding. But no, it isn't an excuse to get what I want. It's the actual God's honest truth. Yeah, you can help that. And why should you be labeled in a bad way by people that they just don't know? Like, listen, you have to give them a chance to not be judgmental of you, too, because it's also not fair to them because they don't know, right? If somebody doesn't know that you have that, like, I remember I was always out with my son in a place playing and there was like an older kid. I mean, he had to be late.

He was older. He was maybe in his 20s or something. And he'd always hang around the sandbox. And a lot of moms would not let their kids talk to him. But I could tell that something was up with him. And he really liked talking to my son. And he was very nice to me. He said a lot of like odd things.

And he was, but it was so obvious that he had an issue. You know what I mean? But he wasn't being creepy. I have very good instincts and intuition. And I could see through it. I believe I was able to pick that up. But I think a lot of other moms didn't, right?

And they would keep their kids away, right? Because people just don't understand. And people don't take the time to understand or some people can't understand. You know, but if there's an ex-exam. and people know, then it really changes the scenario. You know what I mean? I always talk to him. I thought he was very nice.

He was a little odd. He said odd things, but I let him talk to my son because he, he, it seemed like it really made him happy, you know, but, um, because I knew that he was on the spectrum and I could tell because I like, I like watching deep. Like I, I like to know things. So I know stuff like that. But a lot of people don't. That's my whole point.

So if you were to explain and use that, it's, you should. Thank you. Yes. I'm definitely taking in what you're saying and it makes sense. Like you said, the light bulb has gone off. Good. I'm glad because like, listen, I love, there's nothing more exciting to me than to get on the phone with a total stranger with as little information as possible and just see where the conversation goes. I never ever have one fucking note written. I don't know what I'm going to ask somebody. I basically sometimes have a topic. Sometimes I don't. Sometimes I have an email with 10 paragraphs, which I don't read. I prefer. to know nothing because and a lot of times people will be like oh can we talk before or can you tell me the questions you're going to ask and I'm like no I'm just going to let the conversation go where it goes because you never know what's going to happen right I expected this conversation I have to wrap it up now because I have my 430 call but like I expected this conversation to be completely different right but to me it's so much more fascinating that we got into all

this other stuff like for real do you know what I mean and I just went where the conversation took us. I hope you're happy with it and I would. Yeah, I happily went with the conversation however it went, you know. Yeah, I hope that you were able to discuss what you wanted to. I know we didn't get so much into your BDSM world, but we, but I know that you did mention that you, your failure as a Dom. So I'm assuming that all this other insecurity stuff that we've been discussing for the second half hour was that stuff. So it was what you wanted to talk about it. But it's surprising to me because I didn't know we were going to be talking about this stuff. But I think it's, It's interesting and it'll be interesting for people to listen to because I think a lot of people have a highly functioning autistic people in their life. They know somebody.

You know what I mean? Or they might think like, oh, maybe that person that I know has that. You know what I mean? Or somebody is that way themselves and they just haven't been diagnosed, right? And so people will learn from this. But I think it's fascinating. It makes sense when you really explain all that stuff why I think people will also say, hey, Kathy, that's why he had that reaction with the girl.

You know what I mean? Like, I was laughing at you when you're like, you couldn't bang or and everything. You know, it's probably why that situation is what it is as well. You know what I mean? I don't know enough about your, I don't know, what do they call it? A condition. Like, what do they call it? It's not a disease.

I don't want using the word disability. No, right. It's like a, what would be the correct word? It would be a condition, just as you said. Yeah, like your condition, like, you know, I would assume that that plays into the scenarios with women too. But what I believe more than anything is there's somebody for fucking everybody, you know, and you will find your girl.

I think you will, a sub will be great for you. I think this world will be beneficial for you. I think it's great that you made these three friends and they're going to walk you through it and help you know. Yeah. And you'll eventually lose your virginity when you feel comfortable and you want to. it's in your control, you know. But I think, you know, move further into your Dom, you know, persona and get that going

so that when everything. So it's a comic com then. Yes, totally. Think of it as somebody, think of it as not yourself. Think of it as your, you know, superhero, your superpower, somebody other than you. Create a total person. Make up a name, figure out what that person wears, who that person is, and then get into character. And I think that'll help you.

Okay. And next time somebody has, you know, calls you something, a name or thinks that you're being inappropriate. Try explaining to them and see if the story ends because you, that would be good for you. It certainly would, yes. You know, and it would be helpful. So let me know how it goes. Keep me posted when, if anything major happens. I always love to hear back from people.

And I'm so glad you call my show because, like I said, this was like a fascinating conversation. Yeah, I'm very glad. And I'm hoping, like, if it gives us the opportunity, we could possibly have a part two. For sure. Yeah. Absolutely. It was an honor to come on tonight as a guest. Thanks so much, Leon.

It was an honor to talk to you. I learned a lot from this call. And I hope others do too. And I hope you did. I bet you did. All right. All right. Bye.

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