Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 358 - Chris Likes to Wear Panties

Episode Date: October 19, 2020

Chis likes to wear panties and he’s been open about that with his wife since the get go. How long into his relationship did he tell her? How did she react? How old was he when he realized he was into wearing panties and what did wearing them lead to? Tune in for all the details which include how he started cross dressing, what he does with his wife when he’s cross dressed, how other women have reacted to his fetish, what he does with men behind his wife's back, where he meets the guys, where they hook up and exactly what he's into doing with them plus a whole lot more.   **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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but I eventually tape every single person that I talk to. So now let's get to the guy I have on this week. I have on a guy named Chris, like I said already. He's into panties, not pantyos, panties and he fully cross-dresses too right but panties was his first fetish that he was into and he got into panties at a really young age we talk all about that and what was interesting about him about his whole panties panty fetish is that he was always super open about it with his wife with all of his girlfriends from day one and he's like in his 50s which isn't typical for people of that age to be so open back in the day right I'm from that generation so I know so It was pretty ballsy of him to do it, but he's been very open and out there about his

panty fetish. And when I say it's panties, it's not that he likes panties and other women, and he does like panties, but he also likes to wear them. And that's what he was honest about. His wife was super cool with it. Eventually, he started to fully cross-dress. She was cool with that. He kind of called his wife Vanilla in an email, but I don't think she's Vanella.

I think that they, she was pretty open-minded. But he also has another side. I mean, besides, like I said, the panties, we do, he did, it did progress into cross-dressing, fully cross-dressing. And we talk all about that too. We talk all about his panty fetish. We talk about the stuff that he would do with his wife with panties. Like she wears panties, he wears panties and what they do.

And then we talk about the stuff that he does recently started doing behind his wife's back. And that includes like hooking up with guys. And I've heard this a lot. It's that whole thing where, you know, you're going to hear Chris say, I'm not into guys. But he does like to get blowjob. He does like to give blowjob, sorry, to guys, right? And he does that behind his wife's back. So something she doesn't know about.

He doesn't think she'd be cool with it. And we discuss that. We discussed that, you know, when he started doing that, what he exactly does with guys, where he met them, where he hooks up with them, and all that good stuff. So anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Chris. How are you today? I'm great.

How about yourself? I'm doing good. So you're like calling in and you fit into a very common category that I've had on my show. And it's something that I learned when I did my show how many, you know, guys out there were living this secret bisexual life, right? And you're one of them. Yes, I am. Yes. So, and how long you've been married for?

Going on 25 years. Oh, wow. And then how old are you now? I am 50. So you got married in your 20s, right? Was it like your high school sweetheart? How long were you with her beforehand? It was not my high school sweetheart.

We were together three years before we got married. Okay. And you said in the email that she's like super vanilla. Was she always vanilla? Or is it like 25 years later she's vanilla? You know, because sometimes in the beginning sex is like really great. And then I would assume after 28 years it might not be so good. I don't know.

You tell me. I guess she's always been pretty vanilla. She's gotten more vanilla over the years. But we have a good sex life. You do. It's just, you know. She's not a dude. Very traditional.

It's very, you know, a girl on top, you know, man on top sort of thing. It's not anything that's freaky by any chance. And like I said, she's not a god. right? You have this desire and I don't know how hardcore that desire is but to be with men sometimes. She can't

satisfy that, right? She's a chick. Right. So yeah, so from the beginning from when I was a kid I have been had a panty finish

and I've I pretty much wear panties pretty much every day. Mm-hmm. And I've been doing that for, I don't even know how long, you know. Since you saw a pair of panties? Pretty much, yes. And, you know, we, she kind of dabbles in that,

kind of feeds into my fetish a little bit with the panties. And we oftentimes will wear matching panties together. And, you know, she uses her panties on. me and stuff and we do stuff like that which you know I don't know that you would consider that vanilla no not at all so we've done that from you know pretty much day one so yeah no you're the one that used the word vanilla in your email I mean I'm I'm not calling I don't know your wife you know you're the one that coined her the vanilla wife so I'm surprised that I mean she knows about your cross-dressing and like you know you guys dabble in it that that's

That's pretty the opposite of vanilla, if you ask me, for sure. Yes. Well, yeah. So, you know, I've told her from the beginning about, you know, what I'd like to do. And she obviously knows about the panties and the cross-dressing and stuff. But she doesn't know that I like to sometimes play with other guys. guys that are wearing panties also. Right. So she doesn't know, does she know anything about your by side at all?

Or she just knows about the wearing the panties and the cross-dressing? She does not know anything about my by-side. I've only been with probably three guys. And it's not something that I'm, I don't know how to describe it. not something that is like a burning fire inside me that I have to do it. It's when I'm in the mood and I'm dressed up, I like to think about sucking cocks. Right. And you've only really been with a couple of guys in your whole life, but sometimes it's just a fantasy that you like. Correct. And that's most of the time enough. Correct. And now do you dabble with guys online

as well, like when you're not with actual guys in person? Oh, sure, sure. Mm-hmm. Because I wonder, you know, there's like that fine line, right? Like, if your husband is not meeting, like, what would a woman think, right? Like, is it still cheating if, you know, you're online just talking to guys and doing that stuff with guys, like, virtually as opposed to physically, you know, in person? I don't know. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't think she would be accepting of it. But that's kind of why I keep that side of me secret. Well, but let's go back to, I want to go back to the beginning. I do want to get to the point of like when you knew you were into panties and how you figured out you were into guys. But what I want to know about your wife is, you know, there must have been a lot of questions when she found out you were into panties, right?

And I would assume some of those questions would be like, do you want to be with men or you gay, right? Like I would think somebody would just think those thoughts and there would be those questions. Did you have those kind of conversations early on after you admitted it to her? No. Uh-uh. No? No. It's just always been part of me.

You know, prior to her, I've had girlfriends that, you know, I came out to about, you know, my panties. they weren't accepting of it and that was the end of our relationships and I just decided, you know, any woman that would, um, I'm going to be involved with in the long term is going to, I'm going to be up front about it. And if she's good with it, then, um, you know, we could possibly have a future together. If not, then on to the next one. And, um, it wasn't, it's never been an issue. It's always been, you know, more. It's not about being an issue. No, that's not what I mean. I mean. I mean, like I wonder if at some point, because you were into panties, that your wife questioned you about also being by and that's where you drew the line. Like, I'm going to be honest about the panties, but I'm not going to be honest about this.

Or did she never even question you further about it? I get that she accepted it. And that's great. And I give you credit. So like back in the day, right? I'm from your generation. I'm 51. So for a guy in your early 20s in that time admitting to your partner that you were in.

into that. And admitting to all of your partners, that's really balzy of you and pretty evolved, right? A lot of guys wouldn't have admitted it. I have a slew of them on my calling in to my show that they've been living a lie all their life, you know, and wanting to not live that lie anymore. You've been out with your cross-dressing, right? But you had this other secret going on, which is that you liked men. And I'm just wondering, I know she was accepting of the cross-dressing, but did she have questions about it that led to her actually asking you, or you buy and did you just, you obviously would have said no. I mean, did she ever even bring that up to you? No. No, it's never been brought up. And, you know, the three guys that I've played with has only been in the last probably a year and a half. So up until that point, you know, I was not playing with anybody else but her.

And so this is kind of like a recent. recent development, I guess, you would say. Right, yeah, very recent, considering you've went all those years, you know, being monogamous and then just a year and a half ago. But back in the day, when you were trying on those panties and everything, and for the past 25 years, have you always been fantasizing about men or did the fantasies of men come way later too? I guess it's been on and off over the years.

It's been more so obviously in the last couple years. And obviously, you know, the Internet has evolved so much over the last 25 years that it's easier to find people that have common interests than it was 25 years ago. And, you know, part of the... The allure to me is the act of giving a guy a blowjob is, to me, like, one of the most feminine things a woman can do. And when I get that chance to do that, I feel like I've accomplished my cross-dressing enough that this guy, this other guy was. allow me to suck his cock. Like you feel fully a woman and that's what you're going for right when you're dressed up.

It's sort of being that submissive and on your knees and a cock in your mouth makes you, it's like the ultimate in your mind view of being a full woman. Yes. Right? That is correct. Right. So it comes from, because I've heard this a lot from crossdresses. It's funny because I've had a lot of crossdressers on my show.

It wasn't until recently. that I had people talking about this aspect of it, right? The aspect of, you know, just putting it on and wanting to be female when you are on. Yet when you're a man and you're not, and I'm assuming you're the same way, but correct me if I'm wrong, that when you're not dressed up in your panties and everything, like the thought of being with a man, that would not turn you on at all. It's strictly about when you're dressed up as a female, right, and wanting to be in that character that's appealing.

it's more to make you feel more like a woman. Is that correct? That's absolutely correct, yes. Right. And so as a, but like when you were younger, how did you figure out that you were into guys? And was it confusing to you? Let's start with the panties, though,

because that obviously started first, right? Like, how did you figure out that you were into panties? It's funny, I have a Patreon account where I have this whole panty-hose level, right? Right? And they've been buying me pantyhows and make me try them on and I give them my reviews, right? I'm not going sexual with them at all. I'm just like factual like these. Yeah. I'm a member. I'm actually a member. I just joined a couple weeks ago. Oh, okay. Do you like those reviews? I don't know. But it was funny because I did one recently and I was just wearing my pantyos around the house and I went out to see my son and talk to him for something. I forgot that I was wearing them like, you know, and he was like, what the fuck? Like I saw him like all of a sudden notice.

and I see him. I'm not saying anything. I'm just watching, you know, and I just see him touching my leg. And then he goes to touch my arm and he feels like the difference. And he was like fascinated by it. And like, I want tights mommy.

And I'm like, there are no tights for you. Like, I don't have tites for you. And we went like rifling through his costume drawer to find something that would give him the same effect. But he was like totally into it, right? So I just think that, you know, like a very young age, like you get these triggers right and these memories you might remember them.

Like for you, How do you remember that first time you saw panties and were into them? Well, I have two sisters. I'm the only son. I'm the only boy. So I don't know that I recall the exact time that I decided I wanted to try on a pair of panties and enjoyed it. I know I was probably pretty young, probably, you know, 10 or 11 maybe. And, you know, panties, you know, 25 years ago, you know, 40 years ago, whatever, things were a lot more taboo than they are now.

Totally. Like seeing a girl's panties or her bra was, I mean, that was unheard of. That's not something that, you know, it was. taboo for a girl to show her thong or thongs run a thing back 40 years ago but things were a lot more I guess not talked about back then and girls underwear was not to be shown and now you go online you can see it everywhere now they go to events would see through dresses yeah I mean that's just the way that it is and it's the norm I mean these is just the way that it goes yeah it's crazy exactly yeah so um i don't recall the exact trigger moment of you know my fetish

but um i do remember sneaking a pair of you know my sister's panties out of her drawer when she wasn't around trying them on and um just kind of evolved from there i guess and did you remember at any point like looking at your sisters and wanting to dress like them or be like them? No, no, not so much. And then, you know, as all cross-drossers probably, I'm sure, have told you before, you know, it comes and goes. You go, you might go purge everything, get rid of it for a few years,

and then that desire always comes back. And, you know, so I've gone through the same. thing over the last 40 years of, you know, you purge everything and you think you're done with it and then you start buying stuff again. And next thing you know, you're wearing panties 24 hours a day, seven days. Right. And I've just gotten to the point in my life now where, you know, hey, I'm not hurting anybody else, you know, so what? So I like to wear panties, you know. If you've got a problem with that, then that's fine. We don't have to be friends. you know so um yeah it's i enjoy it and makes me feel good and uh but was it confusing for you

when you were younger like what i mean you must have gotten the whole naughty aspect of it i was that like a turn on for you that it was oh sure sure uh-huh sure sure yep and then when did you have the balls to admit it to your girlfriends like how did that come about um So usually what I would do was I would buy her and myself a pair of matching panties. And I would wear my pair and then, you know, or I would, you know, give them to her. I'd give her her pair. And then, you know, I'd say, oh, I'd really like you to wear that pair of blue panties I gave you the other day, Saturday night when we go out. And she was, oh, okay, I'll wear them for you.

Then I'd wear the matching pair that same night. And then, you know, things got hot and heavy. We'd be, she would unzip my pants and we'd both be wearing the same pair of panties. And to me, that's a huge turn on to me as well. So, and at that point, either, you know, some of my girlfriends said, oh, I don't like that, you know, don't do that again. whatever. Most of the time they're pretty open to it.

And it wasn't an issue. But yeah, I mean, my wife and I have been doing it now for 25 years. Yeah, but did work get around in your town that you were like the dude that likes to wear under women's panties at all?

No, no, I don't believe so. I'm surprised. I live in a big enough city where I don't live in a small town. Oh, that's why. enough city that Yeah, it's cooler. Like the word like that doesn't get out Or maybe people don't even fucking care. Where I grew up,

if there was a guy that did that that cop to it, I'm sure there were guys that did that. But they didn't, you know, word would have spread like wildflower. And wildfire. And it would have been a, you know, it would have been talked about for sure and shamed.

I mean, that's why, unfortunately, back in that debt and our time, you know, that's why a lot of people wouldn't be able to say something, you know, or admit it. Sure. So you had most girls, you felt like we're pretty cool with it and fine with it. And you just knew going into it when you got older that you're not going to wind up with anyone unless they were fine with it because it was something that you were very into. Right.

And your wife, like, how far along in your relationship would you actually tell people? And I ask us because there's probably guys that are listening right now that are cross-dressers. Maybe they're on the younger side. And it's like, you know, I think it's a good, like when is the right? time to tell somebody. When do you bring it up? And how did you bring it up? Because it seems like you were pretty successful at doing that and not having such a bad reaction. Well, there's definitely a gray area. You don't want to do it obviously right off the bat because you got to have enough comfort with the person that you're seeing to know that they're not going to say, well, I'll see you

later i've got somebody else on the hook you know so you definitely have to have a foundation a foundation yes of intimacy and then what's that like of intimacy like you're not going to tell them before you have sex like i mean you have to get into it and get into like you have some sort of relationship with them for a while exactly yes and then would you bring it up in the way that you just said most of the time it wasn't even a conversation. It was just like you'd buy the panties and then they have the panties and you just bring it on them in the midst of the heated passion. Yeah, pretty much. That's kind of an interesting take on it. You know, I want like, you know, because I'm not a cross jester and I'm not in your shoes, right? I would probably never think to give that advice to somebody, right? Like, oh, just like, you know,

put on a pair of panties and, you know, but yet you're here to say that's the way it actually went down for you. And that's the way you always did. it and you were most of the time successful so that's a really interesting fact i think because i would never think that that would work you know right yeah i mean it's it's obviously been a number of years since i've had to expose that side of me to a new partner but yes it's um please if it worked 40 years ago it'll work now i mean 40 years ago you were dealing with like a very different you know society that was putting so many different thoughts in people's minds that I think that that was like a you know that it worked I think is really great now for your wife you did that with her

and she was like totally fine with it too is that how it went with your wife yeah yeah that's uh that's pretty much how it happened and then so you're wearing panties and stuff but you say like you're a cross dresser like how much more do you wear well when I get the time which is not very often because you know we have a family and stuff and um but I you know I get into everything makeup wigs and dresses and skirts and all that stuff so bras and uh when I can so how does it go with your wife like or any of these girls right like so you're like here's a pair of panties now I got my panties on and then how is it that you know eventually they find out that you're into you know going full on cross-dressing i mean does they happen gradually that you expose that whole thing or is is that exposed right after you see that they're down with the panties that you pull out all the rest of your stuff so my wife has been the only one that i um knew that i had been a

stuff. Right. And how did you, how did you reveal that to her? Um, um, I don't really recall how it evolved into that, but we, uh, it's always been, you know, it's not like a, it's not like she discovered it. It was just like, it kind of just evolved into, um, into that. Right. It wasn't like the panties. Then you're like, the next day you went full on. I mean, maybe you went from here. Correct. Right. A little bit here, a little bit there until. But she eventually accepted all of it.

Every step of the way, there was never any kind of pushback. Correct. Yeah, I wouldn't call your wife Vanilla. And she fucks you like when you're fully dressed as a woman? No. We've done that years ago. It's been a number of years since I've crossed dressed around. her.

Nowadays it's, you know, just when I'm home alone. But, yeah, I mean, we, like I said, we oftentimes wear matching panties together, but that's about as far as it goes when she's here. Nowadays. But back in the day, when you did do it in full get up, right, and fully cross-dressed, did you, like, want to be more submissive and take the, you know, a more submissive role sexually? and she was more dominant. Did things change that way?

Or did you, were you still like the guy in the relationship at that point? You know, because that's when I would think. Like, wouldn't she wonder if maybe you would be into guys a little bit? So I would consider myself submissive. Yeah. More than dominant. But she is not the dominant type. Right.

Nor she's submissive. So that's never been a part of our. sex. Right. So even when you're dressed up in as a female, it's not like you, you're still being yourself and you're always sort of submissive. So it doesn't seem like you're switching. Correct. Yeah, that's interesting. Because I get a lot of guys on here that I've had on before that were more very dominant. I think the ones that keep it more of a secret, right? I think a guy recently, I don't know if I've aired him yet or if I just talked to him. I just have so many people. So I don't remember. But he was saying that, you know, he's so dominant in his regular life and he feels like that's what his wife digs about him so much that the big fear is that if he revealed that he has this submissive side that he likes to dabble in every now and then that she would be completely turned off but for you it wasn't like a shock right because you're submissive even when you're being yourself which is a male right correct yeah and why do you think that recently you know the whole guy thing and the interest has come into play. Do you think it's just a natural progression

and over time, like, you know, you got into that as well? Yeah, like I said, I think the internet has definitely brought like-minded freaks together. Yeah, uh-huh. You know, I'm on Fet Life and I've dabbled in a couple other websites and, you know, you start talking to a guy that has the same interest as you and find out you're not that, you know, far apart that, you know, you might be 30-minute drive apart or whatever and, you know, you just kind of evolve slowly, I guess. Right. But when did you start to think?

You were married already, right? Because you said that it wasn't like when you were younger that you realized that you were into guys, right? I mean, how long ago did you start to fantasize about blowing guys when you were dressed up? Oh, I would spend probably several years and I, you know, never acted on it. Right, but just recently you did. Now, was the always the, these three guys that you were with, right? were they always you just blew them and that's all that went on or did other things go down between you guys? No, just I would give them a blowjob and they would pull up their panties and leave.

Right. Oh, they're dressed in panties too? Yeah, yeah. Oh, so that's like your fantasy is, you know, they're dressed up and you're dressed up? well so I would I was dressed up but they were just like wearing like panties and bra underneath their regular clothes right so you're dressed up as a woman right correct and they're dressed up as a man but underneath they have panties on correct oh interesting now so when you so it's like a reveal like you like you like you like it to be revealed to you after you pull down it's sort of like a secret that they have that you're finding out about is that part of the turn on no no no um i knew going in that they were you know

wore panties and bras no i know but is do you like for them to wear it underneath as a part of like a fantasy turn on you know what i mean like because why yeah i'm trying to understand why you like them to be dressed as the man with the panties underneath and you're the female i don't know it's because it's very specific you know and i find that a lot of times people like very specific things Right. So I'm not attracted to men personally. Yeah. I'm attracted to the idea of second cock. Mm-hmm.

And I have a huge panty fetish. So therefore, I like to see everybody wearing panties, not just women. Right. Interesting. Uh-huh. So to me, that's just, that's normal. Like, they're wearing panties, too. That's what I would expect. you know right because that's a part of that's a part of the turrodon right you know you're not attracted to their face or anything like that so and it's really just you just want to give a blood drive

do you swallow i have once uh-huh now was that the first time or the last time it was the last time oh okay because i was like if it was the first time it means you didn't like it that you never did it again now did you enjoy swallowing was it like was it something that you do again? Oh, yes. Yeah, I enjoyed it. You did. And now, after the first time that you're with a guy, right? I mean, you've been monogamous, I'm assuming to your wife all this time, even with women. Like, I mean, you were monogamous, your whole marriage with your wife?

Yes. Okay. So, like, how did you feel after the first time that you were actually with a guy and cheated on her? Um, I guess, uh, a little guilty but then also like I got to scratch that itch and then

you want to do it again right and then you did it again this is the past year and a half and so none of the times you felt guilty I felt a little guilty I You know, they have something that she doesn't have. So there's that side of it that says, well, you know, it's not cheating per se because she doesn't have a cock that I can suck.

Right. Right. Exactly. Now, do you feel, is there any part of you because you've been so honest about everything else that you would ever let her know about this side of you? Yeah, I mean, I would be open about it if the time came that I thought that she would be accepting to it. Like if she, you know, wanted to have a male, female, male, threesome, I would, you know, I'd be up for that for sure, you know. And you would want her to be with the guy too, like both of you would be with him? Oh, yeah, yep.

Mm-hmm. Yep. And, yeah, I would, at some point, disclose my desires if the time was right. Well, where do you hide all your stuff with these guys? Like, you know, where, does she know about your vet life account or any of these, you know, website profiles that you have? Does she know, I'm assuming she doesn't know about them?

No, she doesn't know about those. You just have like, you just keep everything on your phone? I mean, how do you hide that shit from her? We have separate computers and separate phones. It's never really been an issue. Right. And where have you met these guys when you meet them? Well, I usually, the three that I've been with, I met them on FetLife.

And we talked for a while. And usually, we would meet either my house or their house. Your house? Yeah. Where's your fucking wife when you're meeting these guys? Away.

Away. I've heard that. Oh my God, girls should never, women should never go away. So they go away. So does she travel for business or something? No. No. But she goes to see her family every once while or whatever.

So she'd be gone for a day or two. Uh-huh. And so that's when, so they've literally had you, you've literally had them come into your house, all of them? Two of the three, yes. And now you said you have kids. Are they out of the house? Yes, of course.

Okay. So these guys come over. You're never worried about your neighbors seeing or anything like that? Well, to them, it would just be a guy coming into my house. Right, yeah. They don't know that they're wearing panties and bras underneath their guy clothes. Right, exactly.

Yeah, you're right, I guess. I don't know. You know what it is? I'm, because of, like, what I do on my podcast and the stories that I hear, I see all sorts of things like with my neighbors and, like, in the park and the playground. And I just put all these crazy stories to them.

Do you know what I mean? because my mind goes thinking. Like recently, like I know all my neighbors on my floor, right? I'm in an apartment building, right? And I call it like my block. But it's really my floor. But I'm very good friends with one of my neighbors. They're both doctors.

And I heard the craziest sex recently coming out. And it had to be from their door because all the other doors that are close to me don't have anybody that speaks like proper English like them. So like it was definitely, but it wasn't her because she has an accent, but he doesn't. So I know for a fact that I'm thinking like my neighbor is like having crazy bondage sex because that's the kind of loud shit that was going down. And she's like her. I'm like, is he cheating on her? Is she having a threesome?

Is she involved in it? Like what the fuck is going on? But like there's so many possibilities that I know of that could be happening. Right. And then I have another friend in my building that I see her husband with guys all the time when she's not fucking around. And I'm like, oh, God knows how many blowjobs he's given. when she's not around. So I think those things,

and that's just why I think I think your neighbors would. You know what? Most people don't read into shit like that like I do. Because I think most people don't know that these kind of things go on, right? I guess, yeah. They would have no idea that that guy's coming in. He has panties. Like, right?

No way. Yeah. Yeah. So how. It's not like it's a revolving door. It's like three times. Yeah, but three. I got to tell you, though.

I got to say, Chris, that three times, like when I, when you first said three times, I'm like, you're married for 25 years, you've been with her 28 years, like, that's like no big deal. But three times in a year and a half isn't as a little amount, especially because we've been in fucking COVID for six months, right? Right. Well, yeah, it hasn't been anything. So I say a year and a half, but that was. Yeah, so it's three in a year.

So we got to knock off. So it's even more, right? So that's not like that many. You know, if you were saying you're spaced out three guys in 25 years, I've only been with three guys, like, that's not really a lot. And you say like it builds up and then you have to do it again. But like if you're saying you have three guys in a year, it's like it builds up every three or four months and you're with a guy.

So, you know, I just wonder how much that escalates for you if it escalated that fast when you met your first one, right? it's not like three years spaced out as much as I thought so in the beginning when I first was talking to you. This is why you got to ask a lot of questions, do you know what I mean? Right. Because somebody says, oh, I, you know, I'm with my wife 25 years. I was only with the guys three times. It's like that doesn't, that's a very different story than I just started being with guys a year ago, you know, and I've been with three.

So it is a lot. And I wondered what comes next for you and if there needs to be like, how do you feel now that we've been in COVID, right? and you haven't been able to meet a guy, is that itch, like, really dying to be scratched? Not at the moment. I guess right now, you know, I've had highs and lows over the years where sometimes I'll wear panties 24 hours a day, seven days a week for five years straight,

and then other times I won't wear panties at all. And I'll go, you know, a year without wearing anything. Yeah. Uh-huh. And, you know, right now where I'm at is, you know, I'm actually wearing panties right now. Right. That's it, you know. So right now that that itch isn't there.

But, you know, next week it might be or next month it might be or who knows. No. There's definitely ebbs and flows, you know, so. Yeah, for sure. Now, but in this past six months, right, where we all been locked down? I mean, are you still always doing your thing on FetLife and these other websites that you're on and talking to guys?

Or does that like wax and wane too, like along with your dressing up? Yeah, ebbs and flows just like dressing up those, yeah. Your interest, right. And so how great was it when you were with those guys? Like, why don't you walk me through that first time? Like, how did you meet? Was it a guy that you were talking? talking to a lot on FetLife and yep yep that's what it was yep we got we just we were

talking and we talked a lot and got to know each other and found out we you know weren't that far apart and he came over one day and I sucked his cock but okay but I just want more details like how how old was he was he married what was his deal? He was married and he was five, six years older than I am. And he was into wearing panties and as well. So we had a lot of common and, you know, when you're when you're married and trying to be discreet it's easier to play with somebody else that's married that also has uh restrictions all the restrictions that you have exactly yeah so they're more understanding of like how long it's going to take to meet up and all that shit right exactly and you know discretion is definitely a

high on the for both important list so which is great because you know that that other person has as much to lose if this shit gets out as you have so exactly it's very helpful for sure i think i think that's the same with like people who cheat with people of the opposite sex right right you know it's like when the guy cheats with the single girl like she goes fucking nuts and now she's banging on the door and the wife finds out you know but if you're cheating with a woman that's married she's not coming to your house you know anytime soon exactly yeah so uh so when this guy i mean who brought it up i mean you must have been like because this is like you know your your whole life wearing panties doing the thing now

all of a sudden you're into guys and you're thinking about it and you're unfet life and all of a sudden like you're going to have a guy that first time did he come to you he did so like how horny were you about the fact that you were going to have this first experience for yourself oh it was exciting yeah and now did you talk through it you know with the guy because Because, you know, I think everybody is into something different, right? You wanted to blow him. Did he blow you? He did not.

He did not. And so you talked that through ahead of time? Yes. Yeah. And we, you know, play fantasy, you know, back and forth talking and, you know, Fet Life and stuff. And so like I, so to me, when I am in that mode and I'm dressed, it's not about having somebody else suck my cock.

It's about me sucking cock. Right. So when we talk fantasy, it's always about me on my knees, his hands on the back of my head and taking his cock down my throat. It's never about them sucking me off. Right, because you don't want to be a male, right? You're like a female in that scenario. So that would, like, ruin that whole fantasy, right? Correct.

So is the turn on when they, I mean, do you get yourself off? I'm assuming it's like after they leave, you go to town just with what just thoughts of what just went happen, what happened, right? No, no, that hasn't. That's not really a, you know, I'm 50 years old. So it's, you know, I'm not, you know, masturbating five times a day like I did when I'm 19 years old. Well, if your dick is, if they're not blowing you, are you jerking off while you're doing it? I mean, do you come when you're with them or do you wait until they leave? I don't normally come.

I save that for my wife. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So they leave. Your wife's not even around. you just blew a guy I'm assuming you're horny like that makes you horny

and pent up right but you hold on to all of that until your wife gets home yep yep and then when you're with her are you thinking about what you just did or is it not about that yeah sometimes sometimes I you know

think about it when we're together and why do you think you do that because it's a turn on oh okay so you because it's naughty oh okay so it's a part of the turner that you just did something that she has no idea about yeah not so much that is

so much as you know it's the majority of the world it's a guy dressing up as a woman and sucking cock is wrong to a lot of people and it's naughty it's not something that normal guys do.

So that's part of the turn-on as well as wearing matching panties with my wife. So when you put those two together, it's even more of a turn-on than if you were just thinking about those naughty thoughts on your own? Right. So you, because I think that that's like very specific that you would wait until she got back and not. Is any part of that like because you feel like if you did it without her that would be cheating? That can't be, right? Because you're, but cock's in your mouth. I mean, no.

It's, like I said, I'm submissive by nature. Oh, right. Denying myself. It's a part of it, right. Leisure of gratification is more of a turn on because now I'm, you know, I'm horny. I just had a hard cock in my mouth. And, you know, when you replay that scenario in your head later that night, and you're having, I'm having sex with my wife, it's, you know, that's a turn on.

And you've had that excitement building in you, you know, all day or whatever. And it just adds to the excitement. Right. I think, you know, what I was thinking is, like, your wife's away for a couple days and you're waiting so long. But it's really like when she's just out for. the day or something and you know that you're seeing her that evening. Correct. Right.

Interesting. Yeah, you never know what shit is going down. Right. And do you have a preference, like as far as when guys are concerned? Like, are you like a size queen? Do you care? Is it, you know, is it something specific that you dig like from these guys? Or it's just somebody, you know, that you got to know and you find them attractive because you know them?

Or is it like what their dick looks like? So, you know, I've only, like I said, done that with three guys. So I don't have a preference per se as far as, you know, big or small or, you know, I've done it three times or, you know, three guys. And, you know, it's been enjoyable all three times. And were the second and third guys, guys around your age, I mean, were they, you know, were they all relatively around your same age? Or was that at your... Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, they were all, you know, married and all three guys have been married and have, you know, around my age and, you know, they were average-looking guys. They wasn't anything that, you know, they weren't Brad Pitt or something where they were, you know. Right, but do you care about that? No. Right, because you're really, it's just really about being. submissive and having that cock in your mouth, right? It's not really about them as an overall male presence. Correct.

Right? Correct. Now, is it a one and done thing? Or like, I mean, as far as, do you ever see that same person again? So the one guy out of the three, I've seen him twice. And the other two was just one and done. Right. And when you're with them, how about that?

Is it like they come and it's okay? see you later, or do they hang around and it happens a couple times in the evening or? No, they, you know, they come and they pull up their panties and get the fuck out. Okay, I'll see you later. Yeah, get the fuck out. Yeah, just like a typical guy. You know, no one was to sit and cuddle or talk. I mean, you're not on a date, right? I mean, it's just like.

Exactly. Yeah, yeah, that's so funny. So have you been like online talking to any? any guys recently that you're thinking to hook up with? No, not recently. I haven't. And your wife, you're just, you know, like you say you have a good sex life with her. Do you feel like being with guys on the side has helped? I think you just said before that when you're with her, it's like amazing when right before

you're with those guys. I mean, has it helped your sex life a little bit? No, I don't think it's helped my sex life at all. Um, we've, my wife and I have had a good sex life over the years. Right. And, um, you know, we have sex probably four times a week. So it's, uh, um, I don't think it's really changed my sex life. Uh-huh.

My married sex life. Yeah, yeah. But does it can, like, was it ever, was it confusing to you when you first started to realize that you were like into cock and found that a piece? feeling. Did you ever wonder about your sexuality or is it just because it's such a slow progression into all the other things that you like that it's fine, like it's, you don't think about it either way? Yeah, I think it's just been such a slow progression that I don't really think about it. It's just where I'm at, you know, now. I'm old enough now that, you know, I don't care what other people think about me, so. Right. And now, so because you don't care what anyone thinks about you

and you have this wife and you've been so honest with her and you did say before you wouldn't mind telling her. Like do you feel like eventually if, you know, you continue to do this that you'd feel that you would want to tell her or would it only be because, you know, she brought it up or something? I don't know. Like, how long do you think you could? Because you never really lived a secret life from your wife, you know?

I mean, a lot of times I'm talking to people who have kind of, the opposite life in that they're secret about everything and then when they're around 50 they let everything out and their wives are okay with it you know and whatever right um with you you've been very open about everything you know and all of a sudden at 50 here you are living of this secret a big secret life you know i think that it's pretty major like you're getting blow you know you're blowing guys behind your way's back, right? And you were always monogamous and very open and honest with her. That's why if she ever found out, she'd be like, what the fuck?

Like, I've, you know, because she probably would never think you have anything else going on, considering how honest you are about everything else, right? Right. Yep, exactly. So I just wonder, like, how long you feel, like you could go for that. Because I think when you live a secret life, it could be, and I mean, it's new for you, but like it could be exhausting because there's a lot of energy that goes into keeping stuff secret on the side, you know, and I don't know if you have any confliction about that at all, or is it all fine with you?

Well, so I guess the difference is it's not like they're not my boyfriend. I'm not seeing these guys, you know, all the time. I'm not seeing, you know, it's not like having a girlfriend on the side where you're constantly, you'd be texting and sending pictures and trying to meet up and doing whatever you do. It's, you know, you talk online, you get to know somebody for, you know, make sure they're not, you try to vet them as well as you can without, you know, making sure they're not some psycho or whatever as best you can. and they come over and you know they've played together and that's the end of it it's not like um it's not like an ongoing thing where yeah it's just sex is what you're saying it has nothing

to do with anything else yeah but did you ever so like but you never had like that kind of hook up with a woman right behind her back no no i don't i don't i don't have that desire to do that like um i'm really into my wife as far as women are concerned as women are concerned and she's everything i need as far as that yeah you know so um i wish she was kinkier i wish you know there's things we could do together that we don't do now but have you talked about threesomes with her ever i have not um talked about threesome I've mentioned over the years from day one that, you know, if she wants to go out and have sex with another guy, that's fine as long as she tells me all about it afterwards, you know. And what was her reaction to that?

Has she ever expressed any interest? No, she doesn't have any interest in that. Right. Uh-huh. If she knew what I knew, though, that would have been like a little bit of a sign that, you know, maybe you were into God. because they think a lot of people that like that scenario is because they, you know, they dig that same sex, right? I would think so, yes.

Yeah, yeah. So you've brought that up like you would be totally fine with that. You have no desire to be with other women. It's more that you want. The only variety you're looking for is something that she can't give you. Right. Yeah, I would hope that you could. could eventually just be honest with her.

Do you think she'd be totally not into it? Yeah, I don't think she'd be into it. Yeah, it's definitely a way harder pill to swallow as a partner than, oh, you know, I like to cross-dress or wear panty hose. You know, I talk to pantyos people all the time, you know, or I want to wear a bra. You know, there's a lot of things that I think women could accept if they think that the guy's still just going to be with them and everything's cool.

but when you say you know I like to be with men and or every now and then I'd like to dress up as a woman and be with a guy and give him a blowjob I mean that's a totally different thing you know right and a lot of women won't accept that wouldn't accept that it would be very difficult for them to accept that right you know I agree so it's good that you don't feel guilty right yeah or have any confliction about it because I you know I wonder though when this all this shit lifts, you know, if you ever progress into doing anything else. Do you have any fantasies that go farther than oral sex? Like, do you ever think of yourself as a bottom in a situation with a guy? No. That doesn't appeal to me. That's not part of my fantasy. Uh-huh.

Like I said earlier, I think given a blowjack. giving a guy a blowjob is like one of the most feminine things a person could do. Yeah. To me, that's like the most intimate thing because, you know, the vagina is designed for sex. The mouth wasn't. And for a woman to take a man's cock in her mouth, that's, you know, like the most female thing she could do. And for me, that's the turn on. Yeah, let me tell you when I was younger, you know,

women, you know, a lot of women didn't fuck guys that they weren't dating. You know, it was a much more conservative time, right? And I just remember when things were slightly changing and stuff, like some of my younger girlfriends would be like, oh, you know, I went out with that guy last night and I'm like, oh, did you have sex? And I'm like, no way. Like, to me, that's so much more degrading. You're like on your knees and his dick is in your mouth and he's a total stranger.

Like, you know, it's, I don't know, you know. And it's not even doing anything for you, really, right? I mean, it's more about like, you're just. completely 100% pleasing him and you're not even involved. It's like I just never understood that mentality. And I think that is playing into your fantasy, right? Like you want to be that girl that just totally taking them. I mean, there's nothing more submissive than that.

Because when you're taking them in other ways, it's not just a totally submissive scenario, right? Right. So I get why that's your thing. I was just wondering if it ever, you know, go, you know, how far it would go or if this is all that you'll do. I just wonder, you know, a year from now, how many more guys or like when COVID's done and you can be out there. Will it increase? Will it go away? You know, who knows, right? I mean, because you say that it comes and goes all the time, all the stuff that you're into, right? Right. Yeah, who knows? I don't know where it'll lead. I can just tell you where I'm at right now

is, you know, that desire is not there right at the moment. So that's all I can say. I can't say what's going to happen a year down the road. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And do you, so are you really into panty hose considering your cross-dresser and it's a part of your gear? So I've worn them. It's not a huge thing for me. Yeah.

I'd like to see women wearing them. It's, you know, it's sexy and stuff. But yeah. Yeah. I'm more into the panties and bras than I am panty hose. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you wear bras. Do you like, you wear bras when you cross truss, right? Yes.

And do you like stuff them or do you have like something or how do you wear them? I just buy like the smallest cup, you know, I can find. Right, right, right. So it's more about just the visual, but you don't like put fake tits in there or anything like that. No. Right, right. Yeah, no, that's super interesting.

Anything else you want to share before I wrap it up? No, I think that's, I think you've dragged pretty much everything else. I always wonder, I mean, sometimes like, you know, a lot of times I just take control of the conversation, you know, and just this kind of firing off my questions. Then I sometimes I wonder like, oh, am I going in the direction that the person thought it would or is there something that I'm missing, you know? Right. So I just wanted to make sure because I think I definitely controlled this. I mean, sometimes I do it more so than others. Some people are very good storytellers and they just want to talk the whole time and they lead it.

But with you, it was very much me asking all the questions. So I just want to make sure that there wasn't anything that you wanted to talk about that I missed. No, no. I think we've covered pretty much everything. Yeah, super interesting. I found out, like I've heard a couple things on here that I think are different than other people. And that's what is so interesting about my show, right? I have a lot of different, a lot of the same topics or people on, you know, with the same kind of stories.

But when you really question each person, each story is unique, right? Because each person is unique. You know, you could compare your cross-dressing episode, this one, and it's got some bisexual. You'll go in all those playlists, you know, on my YouTube channel. And then people will listen and each one is different. And I think what's great and what's, you know, what's, useful and helpful about my show is that people can relate to some of the things, you know, and be like, oh, I'm exactly like that guy. And a couple of things that you've talked about here

have been different than something that I've heard before, which is always interesting to me because I'm always learning, right? On my show, I talk to people and hopefully other people that are listening will not only learn, but maybe relate to your story and it will resonate with them. You know, like I said, I think, you know, the other interesting thing that you brought up was, was because you were very successful at being very open about your life from early times and how you did it is an interesting take on how to let your freak flag fly right from the beginning, right? I don't know. Like I said, I would never think to be like, oh, just wear it and let's show them, you know,

and do it your way, but it worked. And so I think that that's a good example of maybe what somebody else could try in their own life, if that's their fetish and they want to put it on their partners, right? Or reveal themselves. Exactly. I mean, like I said, you know, wearing panties isn't, it's not hurting anybody. It's not like, hey, I got somebody tied up in my basement down here. Let's go have a look.

No, it's a pair of panties. It's not the end of the world, you know. If you don't like it, then that's your problem, not my problem. Right, exactly. And, but it is a, but, and what's, what you explained is that most of the women that you were with were accepting of it. They weren't like, oh my God, what the fuck, right? It wasn't like everything. So I think that that's interesting to know.

I would never think to give that advice, but you gave that advice and I think it's good advice. And it could be helpful to somebody else who's listening. Because I do believe that a lot of people find my show because they're Googling for things secretly, right? It's a lot of people who live these lives out secretly. So, you know, it's, I always like when there's some advice given to. And I think that you did give some advice as well. So, you know, I think as a wife, as a girlfriend, they would be more hurt knowing that you've been hiding that side of you for the last 25 years or 20 years or whatever than they are. If you're just up front, say, hey, you know, like to wear women's panties right from the get go as opposed to hiding it.

And they're more upset that you've hidden it from them for all those years than they are actually the fact that you wear panties. Right. But I have to say something that just came up in my head. And I believe it's going to come up in other people's heads when they're listening to this. But take that exactly what you just said and relate that to the part of you that you're not telling her about, which is the guy thing, right? Right. You know. Yeah.

That's, that's, I was thinking that. that same thing was that I was talking about. Take your own fucking advice. I mean, you're like what? And, you know, it may be, listen, you know, the way it came up for you is this is not something that you've been thinking about all this time. It's a recent thing. So, you know, maybe you could figure out some way of letting her know so she could come on that

journey with you as well. I don't know. Like I said, I get it. It's a much harder thing to throw into the mix and for a woman to be accepting. and a lot of women wouldn't be, you know. So I get it if you never do or it's a, you know, it's easier said than done with different fetishes, you know, but I think you're here to say if it's just a panty fetish or a bra fetish

or even a panty hose fetish, like, you know, it is way better. When you get to, you know, even a guy that did that and was open with that, it still finds it difficult to do it with, you know, I like, to suck cock sometimes. Right. But, you know, keep me posted if you ever do wind up telling her. Let me know. And I think you'll find this episode really interesting when you hear it back.

I think people get something more out of it when they hear their story as a third person. And let me know if it makes you feel any more bolder in telling her or whatever. But keep me posted. Thanks so much for A, being a member on my Patreon and B, calling in and sharing your story. It was great talking with you. All right. Cool, Chris. Thanks for calling.

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