Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 363 - John and his Wife are in a Stag and Vixen Relationship

Episode Date: November 23, 2020

John calls in to talk all about his stag and vixen relationship with his wife. What exactly is a stag and vixen relationship and how do they make it all work? Tune in for all the details which include how they met and why they got married so young, the threesomes they had in the very beginning and why they stopped, the threesomes they had when the started hooking up with other guys again, where they met the guys, what his wife looks for in the guys, what exactly goes on when they meet up with the other guys, how they both cheated and how they got past it and a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and click on Beyond the show. Today I have on a guy, I forget his name. I really do. It doesn't matter. I really say their name once in the beginning of the podcast, and then I put it in the title. But besides that, it doesn't really matter. So whatever his name is, I'm going to be right back on with him. His story is, and he told me what the proper terminology is, because sometimes I use

hot wife and cuckleding, and I say that, and people are like, but isn't it cuckled, humiliated? And sometimes a lot of my guys who like to watch their wives, fuck other guys, they're not have that humiliation aspect. And when it's not there, it's called, he told me, it's called a stag and a vixen, right? he's the stag and his girl his wife who he let's sleep with other guys is the vixen right so he's a he's a stag his wife's a vixen they were together forever i mean these people literally met each other when they were like early teens i mean i actually think if they would have hooked up now

might actually be illegal because she was like 15 or some shit like that and they got married pregnant that whole thing really early on and they they had like a lot of drunken moments in the where they slept with each other in front of other people, slept to try to sleep with other people. You know that drunken shit. I think we've all kind of been there. If you add alcohol and you're really young, I think people wind up in orgy sometimes,

but they're not like real orgies. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. Or maybe were the abnormal ones, I don't know. But him and his wife wound up in those situations when they were super young. And then when they got older and went through, and then we talk about what happened along the way with them.

and there were some bumps in the road, some cheating that went on finding out about the cheating, all that kind of stuff. And then they eventually started talking about doing those kind of kinky things that they did when they were really young. So now they're older, their kids are older, and they're like, hey, maybe we should go start sleeping with other people. And it doesn't, I mean, I get the specifics of how that happened. And I think that that's interesting, right, because if there's people out there that want to see how to transition and how to do it successfully, because they've been successful at it,

it's interesting to hear their story. So eventually, like I said, they talked about it. They got back into it, and then they started sleeping with other people. Does he get into the guys? Does she sleep with other women? Is it just other guys that they sleep with? What do they do with those guys? Is he there?

Is he watching? Does he participate? All that stuff, you'll get all the answers. So anyway, it's a fascinating story. Like I said, they're very successful at their stagvix and relationship. So if you're looking to do it or you're just interested in hearing their story, sit back, relax. and I'll be right back on with him. Whatever's the name is, Steve, John, Bill, Bob,

doesn't matter. Anyway, I'm going to be right back out. Hey, John, welcome to the Strictly anonymous podcast. How are you today hiding out in your car in a parking lot like so many of my other guests? Doing great, Kathy. I actually got the idea from listening to your podcast. Right, because so many people are in a parking lot in their car, you know, and depending on the weather, sometimes it's a problem because they have their air on

or it starts to rain outside. you know, sometimes there's technical difficulties for that. But, you know, you had, you just told me that you found my podcast a couple weeks ago. Now, your deal, as far as I know and all that I know really is, that you and your wife have a very open relationship, right? And have been successful at that over time. You've been together for a long time and your sex life is still great. But you did open it up, right? Yes.

From day one? Pretty much, pretty much. Yeah, yeah. And we've been together a long, a long time. Like, we met when I was 17, she was 15 when we met. And you guys are how old now? I am 60 and she is 58. Wow. And so from 16, right. So the only way to stay together that long would be to fuck other people, right? I don't know. For me, that's how I think. Like, how good. you stay with the same person that whole time. I mean, that's a long-ass time. Yeah, and you're right.

But, you know, to me and to her, too, but probably her to a lesser extent. But, you know, there's always been kind of this difference between sex and love, I guess. For sure. Uh-huh. And so, yeah, we met, you know, at a really, really early age. And it's funny because we knew, you know, even though we were really young, we knew, like, within, I would say, within a month of her and I meeting, we were already, you know, we were planning our future.

And this is at 15 and 17 years old. We're talking about how many kids we want to have, you know, what we're going to name them if they're boys or girls. And, you know, she was, it was funny. She was excited about the fact that her last name was going to change, but her last initial would stay the same because both of our last name started with the same letter. And so, yeah, we were, I mean, we were talking about stuff like that. From the minute you guys met.

But, like, it's funny. If I was like your mom or your older friend, I would have been like, oh, how cute. Like listen to these little kids talking about, you know, like, it's just like kind of funny that you're thinking you're going to like get married. You know, it turns out you were right. Yeah. And, you know, back, the funny thing was back then at that age, we really in our minds, we thought we were so grown and so adult. And like now I look at like 15 year olds or 17 year olds. I know.

And that's when it gets scary. It's like, oh, my God, we were that age. That's what I mean. You guys saying that kind of stuff, if you looked at it, like I said, if I was your parent, I'd be like, oh, look how cute. They think they're going to get mad. You know, they're doing that little kid thing, you know, like, what's your name? Like, what do we get any more kids? You know, we all played those games.

Most of the time it didn't, I would say 99% of the time, that kind of talk doesn't go anywhere, right? No, right. But it did for you guys, right? Because here we are so many years later, like tons of years later, and you're still together. Yeah. And for us, you know, it was kind of like every, everyone thinks, you know, gosh, these kids, you know, getting together and getting married this young, you know, how scary it is. But, you know, for us, for both of us, it was actually a step up, you know, because we both were in, like, really dysfunctional families. She was very mature.

I met her one day after her 15th birthday. And, well, number one, she looked like she was 21 years old. I mean, this was gorgeous, you know. and like the girl of my dreams, you know. And but she, unfortunately, she, her mother was like this raging alcoholic. And so she kind of had to take care of things from a very young age. She was taking care of the house. She was taking care of a younger brother, you know.

And so she was very mature. I was in some ways and then in others I wasn't. I was a teenage boy, you know. Uh-huh. But you, so you both were looking to get out of your house ASAP and, right? Is that what you're saying? So to hook up together, besides the fact that you guys were really into each other, it was also a way to get away from your situation that was dealt to you.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, we were, like, crazy in love with each other, I guess, as much as you can be at that age. And that's, you know, and you always hear people saying, you know, God, you shouldn't get married that young. And people told us that.

They said, oh, you're going to last six months. you know, most of those people are either divorced or dead or, you know, whatever. Right. No. But, you know, like I said, for us, it was like we really didn't give it a second thought. You know, we just kind of forged ahead and, you know, here we are. Yeah, you're lucky. I think, I mean, I think that that's not most people's story, right?

But you hear that. Some people, you hear some people will meet and then the last is from high school on. You know, a lot of times that is the kiss of death because you're like, how could you stay with that same person forever in the fact of you guys staying on that same path and on the same page, right? For your whole life is very

rare, but it does happen. It's the same thing like when some people meet and they get married like three months later and people are like, oh my God, and most of the time that goes horribly wrong eventually. But you totally hear stories where like that worked out for the rest of the life they stayed married. Like they just

knew, you know, so you just can't really say You just don't know. And, you know, in some way, it's harder being that young in some ways. But what a lot of people don't think about, in some ways, it's actually easier. And I'll give you a couple of examples. For one, you know, she's 58 years old. I'm 60. When I look at her, she still looks the same to me as she did at 15.

You know what I mean? How's that? I remember exactly what she looked like when she was 15. And the other thing is, you know, some of the things that we've been through in our relationship if this had been like a second marriage or we had met in our 30s or something like that, we probably wouldn't have stayed together. But because we've grown up together since we were kids, you know, we lived one street apart. And, you know, so it's like it's almost like, you know, like you would never divorce your

mother and father or your brother and sister. And it's almost like, I don't want to get into incest, but you know what I'm saying? That's how close you guys were because you did take on that role. for each other, right? Because you were both, she was really young to leave her house at that time. Well, how many years into it did you guys get married? Because you met when she was 15, right? But when did you guys leave and move in together? It was, we got married, let's see, July, August, I went over. One year and three months. We started dating when she was 15, I was 17. We got married one year and three months after that.

So she was 16. I was 18 when we got married. Right. That's super young. So you were like family, right? Because at 16 to leave your house. Like, what else do you have? Right? She had you. So you became her family.

And how soon after that did you guys have kids? Our first child was born, let's see, five, was born five months after we were married. And a lot of people go, oh, you got married because you were pregnant? No. We had actually planned on getting married on her birthday. And her mother was going to sign for her to get married. married at 16. We had planned to get married then, which was months before she got pregnant, and then her parents changed their mind kind of at the last minute and wouldn't let us do it.

And so it took us a few extra months. And we actually, it's kind of funny, but I mean, we actually got pregnant on purpose. So they would let us get married. So I'm going to hilarious. Yeah, yeah. But, but yeah, so we, and we, it's funny, we kept one of the original, we had, we bought all of our, you know, I bought wedding dress and we ordered wedding invitations and everything. And we kept one of the original wedding invitations just to show people thinking, oh, you got married because you were pregnant. No, we didn't look at this, you know.

No, you got pregnant so you could get married. They have it backwards. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So now you said, I think I remember in your email that you guys did open your relationship up from the get-go or you were very open about wanting her to be with other people. Refresh my memory. Like remind me what you said.

So this is kind of how it started. It was kind of weird because both her and I were dating other people when we met. And but as soon as we met and kind of started hanging out and talking, we both like immediately broke up with the people who were dating and we were dating each other. And the first, the first date we went on, it was funny. The very first date we went on, it was a high school football game that we went to. her recently ex-boyfriend and me both showed up and it was funny because he was a type that was like jealous and angry and stuff and I wasn't I was fine with it we hung out at this game and you know talking nothing happened you know sexually at this point or whatever but um but we

just kind of hung out and you know I was I was nice and calm and happy and he was all upset and eventually over a very short period of time it became just her and I. But the very first time that we slept together, my parents were away, so we were at my house, and we slept together. And then right afterwards, it was actually my best friend at the time stopped by the house. And she had been wearing this, I guess you call it like a maybe a sun dress. It was this dress that comes down like halfway between your waist and your knees maybe. And at the time he stopped by, it was like right after we had had sex the very first time.

And she didn't have any panties on her to this dress. And I don't know why I did this. I don't know if I was just like really proud because this was my first time having sex. Yeah. And hers. And I don't know if I was just really proud of this or whatever, but it was stupid looking back on it. But in the middle of talking, my friend came in and we're. talking for a few minutes and she walked by in a little of this I kind of pulled the back of her dress up

and showed him her butt and she was like so pissed I thought it was the end of it because she was so pissed she left and didn't talk to me for like three days so that was kind of the first time anything like that happened and in retrospect yes it was stupid you know um and you know whatever it doesn't matter but I mean you feel like that was like the like the first little sign of that part of you of wanting to share your girl with other people. Yep, yep. And then there was, I distinctly remember the first time, like, really getting excited about something like that. I was looking at a Playboy magazine.

This is, let's see, we were, I think we were married already. Yeah, I think we were married already at this time. But I was looking at this playboy magazine, and they had this spread in the Playboy magazine, and it was like, there was, you know, everything was just pictures back then. There was no internet. There was no videos that I had anyway. But so the progression of the pictures, you know, it showed like this couple going to this pool hall.

And then there's like a bunch of bikers that are in there. So anyway, long story short, they wind up, you know, like all these guys are having sex with this with this girl off the pool table. And for some weird reason, I was really, really excited by that. Right. Like that was a turn on to you. That's it. And obviously, listen, they had that in Playboy as a spread because they knew that a lot of people like that fantasy, right, or else it wouldn't have been featured. Yeah, yeah.

And this is like 1977 or 78 we're talking about, you know, way back then. Yeah. So when did you first bring that up with her? Because she got mad at you that one time where that little thing happened. Like how do you go from that to the point where she is hooking up with other guys? alcohol? Right. Yeah, she

there was a couple of times when, and this is after we're married. So she was at, I was, the job I worked, I was off on the weekends, the job she worked at, she sometimes had to work, well, she always had to work either a Saturday or a Sunday.

And so there was a time when she came home from work on a Saturday evening. One of my friends was over a different friend. And he and I had already had a couple, she had a couple of drinks. We're all having a few drinks. And getting a little tipsy.

And so, and none of this was planned. We were just kind of getting drunk. And at one point, I lifted her, did a blouse or a sweater on it. But I lifted it up and kind of exposed her breast. And she didn't get angry. and she didn't stop me. And we were in the living room. And from that point, we went into the bedroom, the three of us, and fooled around a little bit.

And honestly, it didn't really work too well because we didn't know what the hell we were doing. He and I were probably a little more drunk than we should have been, more so than she was. But we did all get naked and we did all try to both try to have sex with her. It didn't really work that time. but then we but then he the same friend came by i want to say it was about three weeks later and brought a friend of his with him to hang out and same thing we were drinking she came home from work and so then the four of us wound up in the bedroom um that time we actually did actually were able to to have sex and now did she have sex with both those guys too yes and were

there condoms being used at this point because you're all so young she would be getting pregnant at the drop of her hat, right? We are. Well, I don't want to lie to you. No, we did not use condom. Yeah, no, listen, most people don't. I mean, that's fast. We were young and stupid and drunk, and no, we did not use condoms.

Yeah. They said, what's the old saying? God watches out for fools, drunks, and children. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I never heard the fools thrown in there, but I've heard the drunks and the children. Well, we were all three. Oh, you're right. Oh, my God, that's so funny.

All right, so now, but let me ask you this. Are there any, like, major conversations like the next day when you wake up? Or was this because you're young and you're not really thinking that much that you just do it and you're like, everything's cool and you just go on with your life? That is one of the good things about being young. Because I feel like if you were like older, like in your 30s and that happened, like you'd think through that more and you'd have more conversations, right? That's what I think. When you're young, you just don't think of consequences. is you don't think so much in the future.

So that helped you guys. Yeah, you just do it. And, you know, and then there was, and some other things happened too early on like this that I can talk about. And then there was this long period of time years where nothing happened because we now we had both of our kids. They were starting to get a little bit older. And none of this stuff happened for quite a few years.

And then when it started up again, it's funny because even though we'd already done this years before, it was kind of like. Like from her end, it was kind of like, yeah, but we were kids back then, you know, I don't do stuff like that anymore. Right. See, that's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. And then there were some long, serious conversations about it. And it did take a lot of, you know, communication and, you know, deciding that, okay, we're going to try this again. Right, right. That's what I would think, you know. But I think it, like I said, when you're really young, that kind of stuff happens. And nobody talks about it. And it's not even, for no other reason. Then you're just not thinking that far into. the future. You know, I think younger people are a little bit more stuck in the present than they are, you know, overthinking shit in the future. Like, you know, older people. You know, you just grow up.

So you guys did that a couple times, I'm assuming, and then it went out the window because of kids and everything. And then when you did a couple, a couple times once with the one guy and then once with the same guy and his friend. And then, and there was a couple other things. I forgot to mention this is actually a little out of chronological older, but while we were dating before the happened with the one guy and with the two guys. We had, we had done other stuff like we had, you know, same room sex just with other couples that were young like us, you know, and it was mainly a logistics thing, you know, we're hiding out.

Yeah, and alcohol. And alcohol. You know, so there was two different couples. We did that with. And then there, oh, and then there was a third couple, but they, at the time, they had a car. We didn't have a car. This is when we're dating. and so we would go on double dates like all the time.

Oh, right. So I would be in the front seat and back. Yeah. Yeah. So we would sometimes I'm driving the car and she's in the front, they're in the back seat and vice versa. You know, so that type of stuff. Yeah, that kind of stuff went on like all the time back then when, you know,

the first, I'm going to say the first, you know, two, three years after we met, you know. But you had no issues or problems with seeing her with other guys. Like it just turned you on and there was like no conflict. with the for you at all when you're younger I mean right right and I you know the thing is I wanted to say to I've heard recently heard this term being used for the kind of couple that I think we are and that's stag vixen couple so in other words there was never any like I hear a lot about you know like cuckold stuff and there was nothing against them whatever you want to you know whatever turned you on there was never any of that like for me no humiliation part of it no right yeah yeah

No, whoever does anything, it's always we're all equal partners and we're all enjoying it. Yeah, I think I use that word, sorry to cut you up, I'll get back to it, but I think I use that word in my description a lot just to always talk about the scenario where a guy is letting his girl go with someone else and then people get confused because they're like the cuckled situation. You know, you think of it has that humiliation aspect. And I think you're right. There's like another word for it when you are giving your wife up to someone else, but there's. isn't the humiliation aspect, right? I'm probably wrong with lumping them all into that category, right? Because a lot of times the guys on my show, that isn't a part of it, you know? It's just what they like and what they're turned on by. Yeah. And there's another podcast that I listen to once in a while,

not as much as yours, but it's specifically related to just the, you know, the wife sharing and stuff like that. Yeah. So if they specifically differentiate by, if it's a cuckold situation, they refer to it as the man as cuckold and the woman is a hot wife. If it's like our situation, they refer to it as a stag and a vixen. Oh, okay, good. So I'm going to use those terms.

Stag and vixen. Okay. Which is kind of good. I like the vixen, you know, that's nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the cuckold is the hot wife. Yes, yes. And the cuck.

Right. So, but you're a stagg, and she's a vexen. Correct. Okay, so let's get back to you guys. So you, you know, you have all these kind of drunken things that go down. You guys have babies. They get a little older.

Nothing goes down. Now let's bring it to the point where you guys want to start doing this stuff now and you're a little bit older. Like what happens then and what are those conversations that you have? Yeah. So the kids are both grown and gone. They're out of the house. They're married.

Oh, when you guys. want to pick it back up by that time? Right. Okay. We have grandkids at this point, you know, but, but it's just her and I at home. And so I actually brought it up and, you know, we would talk about it during sex and she would get like really excited talking about it too. But then I would say, well, let's, why don't we do this for real? And she was, at first she was like, you know, absolutely not.

There was not, she wasn't even going to consider it. And that's when the conversations came up about, you know, yeah, well, we do. did this before and it was yeah but we were young then and you know it's different and you know we're not going to do that stuff anymore but i uh i kind of kept on and and then what happened i think and it was a long time kathy it was um because back when i'm talking about you know when it ended i was probably um 21 and she was 19 when this stuff ended and then when it started back up again um this is years later i'm now i'm see this was yeah because you're saying you're saying saying your kids, you had grandkids by then, so it's like maybe 20 years later?

Oh, it's more than that. At this point, I'm 53 and she's 51. Right. Oh, okay. Wow. Like 2013. Now, let me ask you this real quick. In between all that time, right? You guys are just together with each other. You never strayed. You were completely monogamous. Did your sex life? Was it always really great between the two of you?

It was always great between the two of us. I did stray in the, in the, in the, in the, in, the 40 we've been married 42 years three times in 42 years it was all in a eight year period from the time I was 27 until I was 35 you know she knows about all three really how and how guys guys are guys are really dumb and I got caught like almost immediately every time you're kidding nope not kidding how did you get caught let's see The first time I got caught, it was a little bit of a complicated situation. It was someone at work, and we were in a business where it was like direct sales, high ticket items, and extremely competitive.

One of the other salespersons kind of set this up with me and this girl and did it deliberately and then told his wife and her wife and my wife were friends. and it got back to her because she and it was this guy was like a real piece of work he used to like he tried to sleep with every girl he ever met you know he was kind of a joke among us among everybody but but occasionally his wife would say well why can't you be more like john why can't be more like john and um so yeah he set this up deliberately and then told his wife about it and she told my wife and yeah that's never good okay so they were just like three one-night stands you had. She found out. Now, how did she get past it? It was, it was rough, I think,

and it was rough for a while. It was rough on her, I think, too. But she told me, after all this came out, and this was years after this was all over with, like I didn't do this anymore, and I think she knew I was never going to do this again, and I know I'm never going to, and I never did. she actually confessed to me that she had actually had two affairs or whatever you want to call it years earlier. Oh, that's, I mean, I hate to say awesome, but, you know, that does work in your favor because she would be more understanding of how it could actually happen, right? Correct. And it's an awesome is a good word, and I'll tell you why, because this was early on, Kathy, this is like after, right after. we had stopped fooling around when we were much younger. And, you know, I was a young guy and trying to be a husband and a father and be responsible.

But I was also still an idiot and I was still out partying with my friends. And there was when I used to, I drank a lot back then when I was young. And, you know, I would, I would, just to get out of the house, I'd say, hey, I'm going to run down to the store and pick up cigarettes on a Friday night. And I wouldn't come back until Saturday afternoon. Oh, my God. and leave her home with the baby, you know, take the one car. So, I mean, I was really, I wasn't like, I wasn't abusive to her physically, but emotionally.

You were such a great guy at that time, right? I was not there for her emotionally and mentally, a lot of times, you know. And when she told me years later, it didn't upset me at all. Because it had been years ago for one thing. I said, well, why didn't you tell me back then? And she said, honestly, I don't think you could have handled it back then. And she's right. Right.

Right. As a young guy, you know, when you're young like that for most guys, I mean, you're really jealous. And again, you know, that may sound funny, you know, to say that, considering what we were doing. But there's, again, a difference between, you know, sex and love. If we're just fooling around having sex and we all know about it, that was one thing. But like, okay, you're sleeping with your boss, you know, that's a different. You know what I mean? Yeah. So she's right. I could not have handled it back.

Yeah. And she was with those people because you weren't giving her something. so it really was sort of personal to you, right? I mean, it's one thing when she's fucking your friend and you're watching and you're getting something out of it, but when she's going behind your back because you're not really there and you're not so great, I mean, of course it's going to bother you because it says something about your guy's relationship, you know what I mean? Right, right, exactly. And so, yeah, it was kind of, and the funny thing, well, I don't know if it's funny or not,

but it is to me. One of the funny thing was the I told you about the two instances where when we were really young, we had the one friend of mine came over. And then a couple weeks later, same guy came over with a friend of his. Yeah. And it was the four of us. That particular weekend, it was, I believe it was a Saturday. She had, that was one of the weekends. She remembered it because she told me, she says like, I felt so bad.

That Saturday, she was supposed to be working. She actually wasn't working. She actually went to the beach with her boss and spent the day there. And he had one of those creepy 1970s conversion bands, you know. That was one of the, and then she comes home and there's three guys, you know, me and two other guys there. So, yeah. Wait, so that's when she did it? That's when she cheated on you one of the times?

Yes. Oh, okay. So it wasn't during the period where you were, like, not available? It was when she was really young? it's what well i i wasn't available it's yes it's when we were young it's when we were young um we we were you know i was probably 19 and she was 17 at the time so she was just so my whole statement i just made was bullshit it doesn't even apply to this this was just when she did it when she was very young and she was just a young girl like i mean and she didn't you just didn't wind up

finding out till way later correct correct but it's the reason no the reason that she did it though you're actually right about because this is during the time you remember we had our first our first child was born just a few months after we were married yeah so we had a baby at this point this is when I was you know I would disappear for a day all right that is when you were being like not so great

yeah same time same amount of time so I know exactly where she was coming from and you know she was I was either 19 or 20 and she was either 17 or 18 and the and the guy her boss at work was you know this guy like 40 years old, you know. Oh, my God. Yeah.

So why wouldn't he want to fuck your wife? I mean, you know. Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, 17 year old. And she was hot, really hot. She's still hot. But, I mean, she was extremely hot. Oh, yeah.

There's a lot in that story for him. First of all, she's super young. Second of all, she's his employee. Third of all, she's somebody's husband. I mean, you know, all of that probably got him off tenfold. Yeah, yeah. And, come on. You know, plus back.

in you could get away with stuff like that with a 17 year old employee i don't think you could get away with that now no fucking way i started having sex when i was 15 and i had like a 21 year old boy for my mother knew about him i know it wasn't like a secret you know um but now like you hear that scenario with like teachers and they call it rape and i'm like was i raped like i don't know you know some people would say i was a young i don't know you know and it it is what it is i don't want to get too much into that conversation because that's like it's too uh you know it's people have different very different opinions about it you know um but in your situation i mean you guys are married she's really young that guy like fucked her but whatever get back to when you cheat so you have

these three times where you cheat does she find out about all of them like at once or does she find out one and then she's like okay i'll stay with you and then you do it again like i mean how did it happen yeah it was yeah it was the second way. It was the three times were roughly, each one was roughly two years apart. And she found out about each one of them right after they happened. And then it was, you know, and probably one of the reasons I think why she stayed with me and thank God she did. But was probably because she kind of had her secret about the two times that she had kind of done something, you know, without me knowing about it.

At that point, she still had. told me about it, you know. And it was funny, you know, once she, when she told me about what had happened and everything, it was kind of, it was good for both of us because, I mean, for me, all that stuff, any thoughts of, you know, my, me going outside the relationship without her knowing about her, just all disappeared completely, like overnight, you know. You mean all your guilt about it because she had done it too? No, no, I mean the thought about doing it again.

I still had guilt about it. It was still wrong on my part, because when she did it, I can understand why she did it because of the way I was treating her. When I did it, I really didn't have a good excuse for it other than whatever you want to call it seven-year it. I was in my late 20s to early 30s and wanted to kind of physically. I mean, that's another thing I didn't mention. Like, we've always had a lot of sex. Like, I've heard people get fairly graphic on your show, so I guess it's okay to say this. But when we were dating, I mean, we would have people sometimes don't believe this.

And I don't believe other people didn't do this. But, I mean, we would have sex sometimes five or six times a day. I mean, we were having sex so much, you know, my penis would literally, would get raw and bleed. And then the next day, it would have a little scab on it. And we'd be having sex again and rip the scab off. And it would burn like hell. But that's how we always were. You know, we just add a lot of sex.

and even in our 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, you know, I think we've slowed down to a couple times a week now, but I'm 60 and she's 58, you know. Right, right. So she stays with you through all that cheating, you know, you guys all come clean. And then who starts to bring up like, oh, remember, like what we used to do or what we did back then?

I mean, who starts up that conversation? I did. I did. And I never, you know, once when the, when the internet came about and, you know, then it was much easier to look at porn, you know, back. Yeah. They had to go down and get a magazine and feel kind of embarrassed to buy the magazine or whatever, you know. And but so I always looked, not a lot, but I always would look at porn occasionally. And it was always, you know, like threesomes, always to like male female male threesomes.

That's kind of always been my turn on. It's kind of like, and people sometimes, you know, wonder why. And I think it's, for me, it's like watching a porno flick, but your girl is the star of the porno flick, if that makes sense. Yeah, I feel like I've heard that before. Uh-huh. Yeah. So that's kind of what it was like. So I never, the thought of that never left me.

I just thought she'd never do it again, you know. But so at this point, you know, we're stable, all this, all the stuff's out of the way. Everything's over with. And I asked her about it, you know, and we would say things about it while we're having sex, and it was really hot, and she'd be turned on, and I would be super turned on. But she didn't want to do anything. And then just I kept mentioning it and bringing it up, and I kind of talked her into it. And what we did, this was back in 2013. I talked her into letting me put an ad on Craigslist.

Oh, I know what it was. And she had said, I was telling her, I said, you're still super hot. Like, I guarantee you could still get like guys in their 20s and she's, you know, like 47 at this time or 47 or 48 or whatever. Yeah. He's like, no, they don't want no old lady, you know, blah, blah. And I go, I guarantee you if I put an ad on Craigslist, you wouldn't believe the amount of response. And I did. And I put an ad on Craigslist, included a couple pictures, not facial pictures.

Right, body shots, right. Body shots, stuff like that. And I kid you not, Kathy, Kathy, the. first one I put, we got over 200 replies. I believe you. I know about Craigslist because that's where I got all my callers from the beginning of my show. Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy. And we specifically, I specifically put in the ad, you know, I put our ages and I put what we were looking for. And I think I said between the ages of like, you know, 20 to 30 or something like that. Yeah. And she was actually stunned by the amount of responses, you know, and the kids were sending

pictures and everything and and so basically we just kind of between the two of us kind of whittled it down and we found one guy who was a young guy I think he was 21 or 22 oh and anytime we did this stuff because she's very she's very it's funny to say this because of the stuff that we've done but she's actually very private with stuff like that like she would the reason I'm sitting in the parking lot now is she would cut my nuts off if she knew I was telling anything about this You've never told anyone. But so when we did this stuff, we always put in the ad that the guy has to host, either has to host or get a hotel room. You're not coming to our house.

We don't know for living. You're not going to know our names. You're not going to know anything. Yeah. That was the only way she would do it. What was it about this guy that you got, why you picked him? Was she looking for, like, what was it about him that stood out to, from all the rest of the guys that did you? She picked him because she always kind of liked baby face, innocent looking, that type.

And he was, very baby face, very innocent looking. Right, okay. And he was, and he did turn out to be a really nice guy. Right. Okay, cool. Yeah. And so, you know, we went over to his place. How old was he again?

21 or 22. Wow. Okay. And she's like in her late 40s, almost 50. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. It was 2013.

So I was 53. She was actually 51. Okay. I was 53. 51 because this is 2013. Yeah. So, yeah, so we went over this place and, you know, talked for a little bit. And we get none of these people that we did this stuff with, we never went out anywhere with them in public, never went to restaurants, bars, nothing like that.

It was strictly in private. We knew what we were there for. They knew what we were there for. You know, once we had talked to someone on the phone. and, you know, set everything up, then everybody knew what we were there for. So we went over. And I found this worked better is I would let them,

the two of them get a little bit comfortable first because sometimes a guy, and I would too, I don't think I could be that third guy with a couple. I just don't think I could. Right. Yeah, I think I'd be like way too nervous. I don't know. I just couldn't do it.

Never had an interest in it. But, yeah. So I would like I step out of the room or step outside for just a few minutes, 10, 12 minutes, just to let them get comfortable with each other. And then I would come back in and it would be, you know, the three of us together. And usually it was nothing crazy. Like she's never, she has never done anal. I know some people do.

Some people like it. She has always been absolutely adamant about that from day one. no, you do not go there at all. Yeah. There's no DP going on. No, no. We tried to DP like both

in both in the vagina way back when when we were like drunk and so that's what the time I told you about the very first time. That didn't work out. We tried to, it didn't work. Yeah, we tried doing that and just to figure it out

and then both of us wound up just about passing out, you know, the two guys. Oh my gosh. Yeah, so usually it'll be like the guy will be behind her. She really likes doggy style. That's her favorite position. Usually the other guy will be behind her. I'll be in front and she'll be like blowing me while he's having sex with her,

you know, doggy style and then we kind of switch positions. Right. You know, yeah. And now do you guys did before you met up with your first guy, because you had more conversations about it, or were there any rules of regulations? Because I've heard like, oh, you can't kiss or you can kiss.

You know, everyone has. different rules sometimes. You know, some people don't. Yeah. No, between her and I, there were no, really no rules about other than we had one agreement between us. If either one of us did not feel comfortable at any time, either one of us, we would simply say to the other person, I'm not feeling comfortable. And I don't care if we said it in front of the other person, you know, the third person

and I would just say, I don't feel comfortable. And then we would leave. And that would be, and that only happened one time. And what made you uncomfortable at that time? Do you remember? It wasn't me that was uncomfortable with her because this guy, like, I don't know if he just got carried away or if he's trying to be an asshole or just because he was young and didn't know what he was doing. But he bit her nipple like really, really hard. I mean, like really hard, Kathy.

Like, it was stupid, you know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That was the end of him, you know. So wait, that first guy, I mean, so it was like from the first time it worked. I'm assuming it wasn't that guy that did it, right? So that night you guys had sex with the guy. How long would a session like that last for?

I mean, would it be like an hour or did you stay there all night? No, most of them were, they were different, but I would say most of them were probably an hour and hour and a half total from the time we walk in the door until we walk out the door. There was one when we stayed quite a bit longer. It was actually, I want to say it was about four hours. and me and the other guy both came like three times. But most of that was a little unusual. Most of them were hour, hour and a half, maybe two hours. Why you stay so long with that guy?

I don't know. I guess we were just kind of, to be honest with you, usually it was the guys because the guys, you know, I think most guys, and myself included, you know, when you're thinking about doing something really fun or different, you know, you're all excited. And then once you come, it's kind of like, oh, what did I do? Yeah, like, and usually want to get the fuck out.

Yeah. Right. Even though it was at their place or it was at a hotel, you could just see they would, as soon as they had come, they would start to kind of withdraw. Yeah. You know, mentally, physically, like, move to another, you know. Yeah, and their cave. Like they say the guy wants to go into his cave afterwards.

Right, right. But this one guy, you know, he was feeling it. I was feeling it. She was feeling, you know, and we were just there like most of the night. And that would you go home and have sex with each other because of what you just did? It would turn you guys on so that you would have better sex when you went home as well. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

Yeah. Absolutely. So it always follows with you guys going home that same night and having sex. And let me ask you this because somebody, I talked to somebody about this the other day, but they haven't pulled a trigger and done it yet. But I was saying, and most people. say that not only does it increase, you know, their sexual attraction to each other that same night, but most of the time it lasts for a couple of days, right? I mean, you could go with whatever that last scenario was for a while, right? It adds to your sex with your partner.

Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, we haven't done anything now for like five years. And there's, I can tell you the reason for that, but for like five years. But we still talk about it or think about it when we're having sex sometimes. Not all the time. But, right. Right, right. And you could still draw up on those memories and stuff, and it adds to what you guys are doing together. That's great because you could be open about it. It's like, you know, something that you both did together and both enjoyed. Was there ever, because I've asked this question, and I think you're going to say no, but because I've said like, oh, do you think that most people that enjoy this are slightly by, right? Because, and there's that aspect to it. Do you have any kind of buy tendencies at all? or interest in men that you think plays into this scenario or no? No, no, absolutely not. I thought you were going to say that right. I mean, who knows?

Maybe a psychologist might say something different, but as far as you, no. Yeah, I've never had any interest in guys whatsoever. Like, I've tried to imagine it sometimes, like, because there are people who are gay or or whatever, and I've tried to imagine it. I'm like, I can't even imagine myself, like, getting excited with a guy. I just can't, you know. And I guess if you're gay, you can't. If you were a gay guy, you can't imagine getting excited over a woman.

Right. So I can understand it because I can't imagine getting excited over a guy. Right. But is there a crossing of swords, quote unquote, when you're together, when you're doing these things? No, no. Not the way we've done it because there's usually, you know, one of us is kind of behind her doggy doll. The other is not getting a low job and then we switch. So no, there's never been any of that.

No, other than the very first time when we tried to stick it in at the same time. Yeah, we had her like lay on her side, which was kind of a weird position on the bed. Yeah. And now this was before, you know, porn on the internet. So you didn't see all these like, you know, movies and stuff. You know, so we tried to, like her laying on her side, one of us lying in front of her, facing her, the other lying behind her, facing her back, and trying to both put our dicks and her pussy at the same time, and it just didn't work.

Yeah, yeah. So we probably did touch at that point, I guess. I don't know. We were drunk as hell, but, you know. Right. But all these times, how many guys would you say that, you know, once you guys started up again, you know, in your 50s? How many guys were you with?

Have you been with? Eight. Eight, yeah. Right. And that's over like 10 years. So maybe you're averaging like one a year. But you haven't done it for the past five years. No, right.

It was, that was only over a two-year period. Oh, wow. Okay. We haven't done anything five years, so yeah. And how come nothing in five years? Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, because she actually got very sick. And she has had three surgeries, and she has to have one more.

She's doing much better now. Oh, thank God, right? Yeah, she's had three surgeries. She has to have another one. And because she was sick and she wasn't able to be out and about as much, she put on a few pounds. And, like, she can have sex. I mean, that's not a problem. Yeah.

Right now she feels like. like, oh my God, I don't want anybody to see me, you know, blah, blah, blah. Of course. I still find her hot as hell, but she thinks she's fat. Right. She's not happy with how she is right now. Right, right. But she's after her last surgery and because she's on the men, like she could probably eventually get back into shape.

Oh, yeah. Right. And now, so you had all those guys and that, what would you say on a scale of one to ten? Because I used to ask this question all the time, and then people were like, why don't you ask that anymore? So, like, how hot is your wife? Like, scale of one to ten. What is she? She's a nine, definitely.

Right. And she kept herself as she got older, too, right? Because I'm assuming she had to be pretty hot. She's in her, but, you know, I don't know. But, you know, because she's in her 50s, right? And all these young guys are responding to the ad. And all the guys that you had in those, those eight guys, they were all between like 20 and 30. The oldest one was, I think, 32 or 33.

When he had responded, he said, hey, I'm a little bit older than what you ask for, but blah, blah, blah. and she wound up picking him. But yeah, the youngest was 18, and the oldest was the guy that was 32, but he was kind of the outlier. The rest of them, none of them were over 24, 25 years old. And would they always be just a one-time thing, or did you ever see any of these guys more than once?

No, they were always one-time, always one-time. How come that you didn't want to go back? Was that your guy's choice or just it just happened that way? No, it was our choice because, we, the whole, a lot of the whole point of this is for something new. So you could go back to the same person, but why not try somebody different, you know? Right. Just adds that much more excitement to it, you know.

Plus, we didn't, like I said, we didn't want to develop a long-term relationship with these people. We were kind of just using them and they were using us, I suppose. You know, I don't mean that in a bad way. No, not at all. I've heard every different variation. I've talked to many couples where it's the exact opposite, right? they definitely want to meet up with somebody and talk and feel like they're comfortable with them and they want to be friends with them before they go down that road, right?

And then there's people like you guys who are like, nah, uh, like that's the last thing you want, right? You just want to go in there, do have sex and keep it that way, very, you know, disconnected from them in any other way, which I totally understand too. I think that everyone's different in what they're looking for. It's good that both you and your wife are wired in the same ways, right? Right? Yeah, yeah, I think so. It's just like, you know, we kind of, we don't want any sort of intrusions into our life, I guess. We were just just doing it to have fun and for excitement. And that was it, you know. Now, was it always on Craigslist that you found these guys? It was back then. Yeah, now Craigslist, I understand, doesn't do that anymore. But there's another I heard about called Double List.

Yeah, that's what people tell me is the new Craigslist. Yeah, so we haven't tried that one. But yeah, it was always on Craigslist, all of them. Did she ever think about being with a woman, or was it always your guys, both of your fantasy, just to have a threesome with a guy? Just to have a threesome. Oh, funny, you brought that up.

I forgot to mention that to you. Back when we hadn't been married that long and we fooled her twice, you know, with the one guy and then with the same guy and his friend, shortly after that, she brought one of her friends home for me. and we had a threesome with her. But I didn't like as much,

and I could tell it made her feel a little jealous. And it just, that's not what I wanted to do it for was that, you know, I don't want anyone to have bad feelings. I never got jealous over it. She did. She didn't like seeing me with another girl, you know. And you didn't care so much to have another girl, right? Like, I mean, it wasn't, I mean, you like the other guy.

with your wife, right? Well, actually, it would have been fine. Either way would have been fine. Right. We've only stayed with guys because she's not comfortable with me being with another girl. Yeah. And it really doesn't make any difference to me. It's just, it's either one is fun and exciting.

So I could care last, really. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's great. I mean, it's like, it's interesting because in the beginning of the podcast, you're talking about your guys' relationship and, like, you get together when you're so young and you've lost all this time. And if you just like, that's the story, it seems very magical and perfect and great, right?

But when you really talk to you, like, you guys did go through a lot of difficult times. I think the difference between you guys and other people that didn't last is that, you know, when things got tough, you didn't leave. You were very understanding. And, you know, because, look, you cheated on her. She caught you not just once, like three fucking times, all right? Like, she caught you one time and that's, like, bad enough. And then another time. And then that's really bad.

and then another time and she never says I'm fuck off like I'm out of here you know it's like really the reason why you're still together is you're not lucky it's that you guys never left each other no matter what

happened I mean you were you stuck around and you kept it going right? Yeah yeah I mean it was always as far as being together there was like never any question it was always going to be her and I always you know there was just in my mind and in her mind too.

I mean, because how many girls, you know, if you had cheated on three times, you know, and it was, it was over, like I said, like a six or seven year period, but still, I mean, how many girls are going to, you know, stay with that? Yeah, and I wonder if she went and told her girlfriends because they would have, like, you know,

the hardest thing about being a woman sometimes is you go and you vent to your girlfriends about your guy at one point because you're upset or whatever, or if you go tell your girlfriends, your guy cheated on you. And you stay with him, your girlfriends are going to be very judgy about him. him forever. Like, girls don't remember, forget that. And then if you tell them again, they're going to be like your girl, like even if you want to stay with him, your girlfriends are going to be like, what the fuck? Why are you still with them? You know, they could be brutal. Yeah. And it's funny you say that because she, the first time she did tell all of her girlfriends. Yeah. The other two times and she's told me this, she didn't tell. Of course. Because of that. Because she wanted to stay with me. She knew she was going to stay with me. And she wouldn't have been able to if she told her friends.

Exactly. They would have, like, thought she was crazy, you know. Yeah, they would have never let up on it, you know? That's the thing. So I was thinking, like, she probably didn't tell her friends, no way, because they would have never let that fly like she did. She made a decision. She knew what she wanted to do, and she was smart not to tell her friends or tell anybody, you know. Right, right. And you never strayed after that. And even now, through everything that's going on and you're not, because she's still having sex with you, right?

It's just that you just were not open. with other people through her sickness. Correct. Right. And now she would. Yeah. I was going to say the only thing I ever did weird, I guess, since the other than those three times was about a year ago.

And it was only because, honest to God, I had no intention of doing anything. I just wanted to see sometimes we get a little bane, I guess, you know, at my age. I'm 60. But people tell me I don't look 60. They tell me I look like I'm maybe 45, 48 or something like. Yeah. Uh-huh. I'm still, I'm really active. Like, I still, I have three skateboards still.

You know, I stay, I do a lot of stuff. Yeah, that's great. And, but I just wanted to see just for the hell of it. So I was like, I picked out this particular girl who works in a convenience store that I would stop into occasionally, knowing that I never have to go there again if I don't want to. Yeah. And I just started like talking shit to her when I go in there, just to see if I can pick her up, being 60 years old. She's 23.

And I could. I could. And once I found that out. I haven't been back there. I just wanted to see just for the hell of it. I had no intention of doing anything. No, I get that. There was a guy I worked with. Well, he was an actor. I was like working in an agency and he would always like flirt with me and he was really super hot. I was way younger than him and but he had a very long term relationship with this woman who was this very famous yoga instructor and he was this gorgeous actor and they had this very long term, well-known, strong relationship and I thought it's so odd that he flirts with me so much. And then one time he asked me to go out. out and we went out and fast forward years later because me and him became really good friends and sometimes she would meet up with us when we would go out to Ian stuff. It turned out that he, and he explained to me that he had, I forget what the name of the girls were. He called

all the girls that he had these flirtations with a name. It was like whether they were his Lucy's, right? Let's just say Lucy's. And that's what he had. He had Lucy's, you know, and his girl knew about it and he was cool and he never did anything with them. But he flirted and sometimes he'd go have a coffee with you and he there was that sexual tension for sure that was going but he never crossed a line you know and we eventually like I said talked about it and that's just the way that's what he did and I think that helped him stay faithful because he was definitely not a cheater he loved his girl more than anything they had a very healthy great relationship but he had this thing and he told me he had like he named all his lucies you know what I mean I was one of them that was his waitress so that he's that he's saw every morning when he went to get his coffee. It was like they, they had names and they were people that he did, but he just didn't cross the line. And I think that helped him be monogamous.

Yep, yep. And that was it. I just, my goal was, I wanted to see if I could get this girl's number. And once I did, I was done. And I didn't do anything bad to her. All she did was give her number to a guy that she probably has done that to other guys and she's probably grateful. I never called her, you know?

Right, right. But you didn't, you threw that number out or whatever. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I never even put it in my phone. I just threw it away. Yep. Yeah, that's good. I mean, that's great. You know, you're in it for the long haul. Like, I think people understand things like that. I feel like everything that you and your wife have been through. Even if you told her that story five years from now, she'd be like, okay, you know, like it wouldn't make her break things, right? She could understand it. It wasn't about her. It was really just about you and you knowing that you're still. quote unquote you know hot to the opposite sex why not yeah well i i think it's just you know natural it's human nature it's vanity or whatever you know but uh yeah yeah listen she i mean she got to fuck a bunch of young 20 year olds and no you know she didn't think she was going to be hot to them but look it i mean did that really help her self esteem and stuff like having all

these young guys be really into her yes absolutely that's what i wanted to mention that i'm glad you brought that up because, yes, it did help her self-confidence or self-esteem enormously. Yes. And let me ask you this, because I've had guys on who are cheating because their wives have gone through menopause, and, you know, that happens, you know, but as a woman who's 51, and I know all about this, that, like they say, if you don't use it, you lose it, right? And I think that there is a lot of women do lose that connection to sex, but a lot of women don't.

And I think the difference is the women that don't or the women that are keeping up with it and still doing it. You know, and I think a lot of times what happens in that same time of life when a woman is going through menopause, they've been with the same person for a long time and sex has gone out the window anyway. So they're not using it, right? And then they lack of hormones. They just totally lose that connection, right? But did that never happen with your wife? No, no.

She went through menopause probably. actually it was just before she started having the medical issues. Yeah. But we never stopped having sex. Right. She was always horny still. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird because like there's a guy I know that we're friends.

We talk a lot. We haven't talked about this kind of stuff, you know. Yeah. I mean, we talk about regular sex, you know, with our wives and stuff. Well, his is not his wife, it's his girlfriend, but he's 45. And he's telling me like, yeah, I just don't have that much interest in sex anymore, you know. And so I asked, like, so, well, how often do you guys have sex? He's like, you know, maybe three or four times a year.

And I'm thinking, oh, my God, at 45, I was having sex, you know, four or five times a week. I mean, I can't imagine three or four times a year. Do people really do that? I mean, that's crazy. I mean, he should probably have his hormones check, don't you think? Yeah. I mean, maybe there's something wrong with me. But I swear to God, Kathy, when I was 17, 18, 19, 20, I was having sex with her, you know.

you said five times a day sometimes yeah and it's jerking off in the shower on top of that i mean i just you know i don't know no i think it listen you had constant sex like in-house since you're 17 a lot of people don't have that but i i think most the average guy you know is very horny for a really long time i have seen my guy friends even the biggest players slow down when they're in like their late 40s and it doesn't mean that they lose interest in sex, but maybe instead of coming like three times a day, they could have one good one a day, you know? Right, right. And that happens.

But to lose total interest in it, I think, you know, maybe you want to check your hormones. But I do also think that, and I know this for women, because I'm a woman, right? That if you, and I haven't been married all the time to one person, you and your wife have always been having sex with each other, right? And always been doing it. So I do believe that it's like anything. If you don't have something for a while, you get used to not having it. And then you could lose that need for it. Like you don't need it as much.

Whereas like if I start to have sex once or twice, then I want it every single day. I'm horning every single day. But if I don't have it for a month, I don't even think about it. And I think that's true for a lot of people, especially women. I don't know about men. Maybe that's with your guy friend. That's like three times a year. I don't know.

yeah i guess it's a yeah i guess it's a thing you know uh you don't miss what you don't have maybe i don't know yeah you start to lose that kind of thing i have a guy that i've talked to that has a wife who isn't uh interested in sex and she's young she's in her 30s but she's got kids and you know you can and i'm like just keep falking her like as much as you can you know even if just once a week she's do it once a week every day on tuesday at nine o'clock in the morning and eventually like that consistency will you you wire yourself back up and then you want all the time. You guys don't understand this scenario because you guys have always just had each other and you always had that constant sex and you were always really horny for each

other. So you never lost that desire and I think that if you don't use it, you lose it does happen. Yeah. That's why you guys, it didn't happen to her and to you guys and you're lucky. Yeah, yeah. I consider myself extremely lucky, I'll tell you. It's been a, it's been, it's been a wonderful ride. It really has. Last question for you. Did you, does anybody, besides all my listeners now and all the guys you guys fuck together, right? Does anybody else know about what

you guys have done? Or is that something that she has not told anyone else about or and you haven't told anyone about? You are the only person that I have ever told about this. She has never told anyone at all other than the guys

that were involved. No one else knows. Right. No one else knows. Well, there you go. Well, now all my listeners will know, but I will change your voice. Yep. Right? I changed your name. You're going to be, you know, I never had the stag. I wrote it down, the stag and the vixen, right?

Yep, yeah. Yeah, John's, and so you're going to be the stag and the vixen episode that I'm going to have. There's, listen, thank you so much for calling in and sharing your story. Well, I got to tell you, like I said, I discovered your podcast about three weeks ago. I usually listen to Audible and I had a credit that was my monthly credit was coming up in like a couple days. I didn't want to buy extra one. So I'm like, I'll listen to a podcast and I found yours and I'm booked. It is absolutely wonderful. Oh, good. I'm so glad you found my show. And now how crazy is going to be when you're listening to yourself? Oh my God. Your story. No, but what's great is I got to tell you and I tell people this all the time.

And it's even for me too, you know, because I'm taping this. I had the conversation with you. It was fascinating. but when I hear things back, when you hear your own story back, even or this conversation that we just had as a third person, it's going to be even more interesting. There's something about listening to it outside of the conversation that makes it even more interesting for you because it always does for me too. So you'll definitely enjoy listening to it. Your voice will be different. I change everybody's voice, whether they want to or not now. So your voice will be a little bit deeper. So nobody will ever know who you are.

you won't get busted anyway, but people will enjoy your stag Vixen story. And I'll probably air it this week, so you'll be able to hear it soon. Awesome. Awesome. Thank you for calling in. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. You have a wonderful day.

You too. Let me know what you think after you listen to it. Okay. All right, bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available, not only in paperback and e-book, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show.

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