Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 374 - Dawn is an Escort

Episode Date: February 8, 2021

Dawn is an escort and she calls in to talk all about it. How did she start escorting? Why did she start escorting? How long has she been doing it and does she enjoy it? Tune in to find out plus, hear all about why she couldn't be a "sugar baby" or a stripper and prefers escorting, how a lot of people took advantage of her early on, the messed up stuff she was asked to do on "auditions" and why she did them, the two times she got arrested and how the police treated her, what she does and doesn't do with clients, how much she charges, how and why she prefers being in a "situationship" as oppose to a relationship, how she recently joined OnlyFans and what she offers on there and a whole lot more.  You can find her online here; https://onlyfans.com/kristinaxxoo https://linktr.ee/dawnmfl To hear/see me on her podcast, click here: https://youtu.be/EyBuZL-JmjE **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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you know, do a whole sugar daddy thing, but she did. And we talk about that and the difference and why she couldn't do the whole sugar daddy thing. And she switched to the escort thing. We talk a lot about her backstory and how she became an escort, why she became an escort. Her backstory is fascinating and interesting. I mean, she was pretty hardcore at times. She was arrested more than once. We talk about that. We talk about how the cops treated her. We talk about what she, you know, I always ask my specific questions like, how much do you make? What do you like to do? What do you not like to do? That kind of stuff. She answers it all. She's super honest. She's on only fans. She started a podcast where she interviews other girls like her.

And, you know, she came on the show because she wants to promote that stuff, which I think is great and super smart when you first start out. So she gives her plugs for that, right, in the beginning and then at the end. So if you want to check her out, wait for those, like I said, in the beginning and then more so at the end. She talks about that. And we get into a whole lot more. Like a lot of, like I said, her backstory, what she does, what she doesn't like to do. Did I say all that? Yeah.

You're going to have to listen. And like I said, because she's on OnlyFans. And she has her own podcast and she has her own Instagram. And she gives all that information at the end. But listen to her story because it's really interesting. Like I said, her back story and how she got into it, why she did what she thinks about it. And also like who she dates now and does she date and does it work? Because I think that's a hard thing, right?

As an escort, how do you date? What's that whole experience like for her? We get into details about that too. So anyway, I'm going to be right if I got on with Dawn. Hey, Dawn. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you this morning? I'm doing great.

How are you? I'm good. So you are a follower of mine on Instagram, right? And we did a little direct messaging. And I was like, hey, you want to come on the show? Because you had asked me about my YouTube channel and whether I can or cannot monetize on there, right, because of my content. And you wanted to.

And so I assumed you were looking to, you know, have sexual in nature content for a YouTube channel, is that correct? And yeah, I was like, I was so, like, I was wondering, like, if they flag you, if you have other content too, actually. What do you mean other content? Like, like, if I have a channel

on, um, like, sex work or sexual contents, and then I have another channel on something completely unrelated, like music, like would they flag you or shadow ban you for those reasons? Like, I wasn't sure about that. You know, they don't, they don't ban me because

of my content, but I can't monetize. It doesn't matter how many followers, how many views, they will never do advertising on a show that has sexual content. I think they got in trouble or some advertisers got pissed years ago and they changed that. That wasn't always the case. Whatever you just did, don't do that again. I just heard that noise. But so they won't, you know, they won't, so they stopped it a couple of years ago. So, you know, I would keep both your, you know, your regular channel separate from your sex works channel. But that's what I was like, oh, do you want to come and call into my show and talk about sex work?

Like, what does sex work mean to you? And how old are you? Like, do you mind saying around? How old are you? Are you sound super young? Oh, no. I've been in the business for like over a decade. Over a decade?

Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, I'm thinking you look like you're in your early 20s. Okay. So what's the business that you're in and what do you do? And what kind of channel where you're going? to what kind of channel are you going to start? Like what's going to be on that channel?

Yeah, yeah. No, because sex work is such a big umbrella. Exactly. Yeah. I'm like, are you a Cam girl? Are you a massage per, you know, like are you an escort? Like, what does that mean? Yeah, escort is definitely what I do.

But I've dabbled in like so many other things like Cam, for example. And I do have only fans as well. Oh, you do have an only fans. I do. Yeah. But yeah, it would be escorting as like the main thing. Right. Why don't you do like before we start off because I mean I typically, you know,

my show is called strictly anonymous, right? So everybody on here is most of the time calling under a fake name, right? And I don't know who somebody is. They don't know. Nobody even knows who I am, right? But you want to give a shout out to your stuff, right? Which I totally understand. And this will be sort of fun for my listeners, I think,

because they'll be able to actually see. the person that I'm talking about, right? So let's let's leave your shoutouts now. I'll do it again at the end, right? But so people could see who I'm talking to. Why don't you tell people where they could find you? Why don't you give out your OnlyFans page? Yeah, I'll do that.

Yeah, I'll do like my actual Instagram, and I can do my OnlyFans under my stage name. So the OnlyFans is OnlyFans.com slash Christina with a K-X-X-O-O. Okay. And what do you do on that only fans? Like what would people be paying for? Like what even goes down on only fans? I don't even know.

Or is it pictures? Is it videos? It literally is anything goes. Right. I personally don't do everything. There's a lot of pornographic things that people do with partners and stuff like that. But I just do solo acts and like twerking and like content where I'm like not like, fully dressed and

if you want like full nudes then there's like they call it pay for or what is it called? Pay-per-view, that's what they call it. Right so people could like pay for that or set up a like set that up with you separately right?

On top of the subscription. Yeah. The subscription is just lingerie or bikini photos. And then from there that's when you can decide, oh, I want to see more sexually explicit content, like new photos or like dances and stuff like that. Right. Of course. So you keep that under.

They have to pay more for that. Yeah. I mean, that makes sense that you would keep the more hardcore stuff under. How much is it like to sign up if someone want to go into your only fans and sign up to see you? How much do they pay a month? Well, that's the thing. Like, anybody can do anything they want.

Like if somebody didn't want to do like the pay for. view, they can put everything out there for everybody to see with the subscription if they charge more for the subscription. So you can charge anywhere from $0 for subscription to like $50 for the subscription. But a lot of people kind of do a lower price for subscription so they can do the add-ons. But it's really like a personal choice. Well, what's yours? I mean, how much do people? Mine is so new. that I have like a half off promotion right now.

And it's normally 22 and now it's just 11. So that's why, because it's on the low end, I do the paper views. Okay. And you just started Onlyfans. And let's go back and start up because you said you've been a sex worker for 10 years. How did you start out and what did you start out doing and what made you choose that line of work? Well, it's just like a typical story that I just needed financial.

it was just like a mess financially my life. Right. You needed money fast. Yeah. And I didn't know anything about it. And so I started off with agencies and I learned through them. And then from there, I just started doing everything by myself. But around how old were you when you started? Were you legal age? I was. But I was like on the legal. Right. Like you had just become legal. And no one believed me. No one believe me. They all wanted to know like, like, they wanted to card me or strangers that I didn't feel comfortable wanted to see my ID.

Uh-huh. But I was of, I was of age, yeah. When you started. And so, but when I started, yeah. So you just needed money and you thought, oh, I'll go like sleep with guys for cash and I'll make a lot of money doing that. Like is that, I mean, because it just wasn't a huge jump. Yeah, yeah. It was a huge jump.

And it totally was, especially morally. Yeah. But someone just told me about it and it stuck in my head. Right. Okay. So a friend of yours or just this guy that I met on Craigslist that I thought about maybe being a living girlfriend with him. Mm-hmm. Because it was just something we talked about through like an ad he made.

And I was like willing to do something like that, but not willing to do anything like more. And he's the one who sort of like put the idea in my head. Oh, okay, I see. I was like, no, I'm not going to do that. But I was still waitressing. And then down the road, we weren't really friends anymore. And I decided to like just look into it. Right.

So you started off looking on Craigslist to maybe do like nude modeling or stuff like that. I mean, because what were you doing on Craigslist and how do you find this guy's ad? And what did you respond to? No, I was looking for like just like sugar daddies and stuff like that. Okay. Right. This is what I need to get at. So you were looking to get like,

some guy to pay your bills because you needed money, right? And you thought, oh, you'll set up a sugar daddy situation. Did you ever go on any of those websites? Yeah, yeah, I have. I have. And so a lot of girls that I met through the business have done the same thing. And they're the ones who told me about like how to work that. And I've never really figured it out.

Like there's such a weird angle for for that kind of thing. Uh-huh. Yeah, it's, it's actually harder, in my opinion, to sugar daddy than it is for, for to just be straight straight up and transactional. Yeah, of course. Because maybe with, I mean, and so what is the angle that they say sort of works that didn't, that you could never do?

Could you even explain it? Yeah, like you kind of have to like not make it about money. Right. Even though it always is. Like you have to like stress yourself out if there's ever a situation where he decides, oh, this is so comfortable. She's like my girlfriend.

Let me stop giving her money. and then you have to act like become this actress like oh I'm so stressed out what am I doing la la like like to like give him a hint that you that it's not a regular girlfriend situation and for him to go back to giving you like a monthly allowance or whatever it is and I can never do the acting part of it you know like I I've always been more of a direct kind of person so it was that part was never easy, like, because that's what they want. They want, like, this, this, girlfriend experience. Yeah, yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. They don't want to feel that way. And I guess that's understandable, but I, I don't know how to navigate that. Yeah, I think there's two different, like, I think that's why there's two, you know, they both exist, right, as a straight up escorting and then the sugar daddy situation. I think maybe, you know, the kind of guys that go for one or the other are very different, right?

it's like apples and oranges. It's like for two different people. Some people I think, yeah, they just want someone. You know, I have Molly on who comes on and she used to come on just as a guest who, like a girl who came on my show because she was like really horny and just like fucking the world. And then she turned into an escort while I was speaking with her. Like, you know, it's sort of one episode she wasn't doing it.

And then the next time she was and we got that on. But she and she told me last time when we spoke, she said, listen, I know that these guys are hiring me because. they're paying me to leave afterwards. Like that's what they want. They don't want me to hang around. They don't want that quote unquote girlfriend experience, right? They want to do it and then they want to get out and they want that clean break.

You know, so I think that that's, there is a big difference, right, between what the person is offering and what kind of guy is signing up for it. Yeah. You know, some guys don't want to pay you to leave. They want you to feed their ego. They want to pretend they have the girlfriend, right? but so you couldn't do that you're too straight up so then so you call that guy up and he tells you how to get into escorting or like the agencies like how did you find the agencies?

No it was actually more casual conversation than that he's not like he said it right away yeah yeah yeah yeah saying that oh if you really really cared about money then you'd be doing this like that's how he sort of brought it up to my attention uh-huh and he would say how much I would make and it didn't sound like a lot but like at least not a lot at the time yeah to think oh I should do this you know but then later I was so desperate that I was at Starbucks and then I would just go on the computer and look at like agencies and like other Craigslist ad under that category and I was like let me just send these emails out and see what I see what I get and yeah I kind of ran into trouble with like kind of not knowing what's the difference between a pimp and what's the difference

between an agency and so i had a lot of issues in the beginning and slowly after that not slowly well slowly but like it took a lot of learning but then later i i was able to like work on my own but it took a lot of trial and error i want to hear about some of those issues but before i get to that I want to know, did you ever try stripping before you went to this route? Because you can make a lot of money doing that too, right? Well, I mean, at the time, yeah, I just didn't have like a place to really like live. It was really bad. I'm telling you it was really bad.

So the idea of stripping, like just getting ready and all that stuff just seemed like a nightmare. or having the right clothes or the attire. I just didn't want to do that for some reason. Plus, I was actually really shy, even though I can dance. Like, dancing is like really easy. Yeah. But for some reason, the whole thing, that would freak me out more than the escorting. Yeah, I get it.

I was like, well, someone can take me under their wing. And it was like, it didn't feel like as alone on that. Then if I were to go to a strip club and audition. you know? Yeah, for sure. Listen, like in a strip club, you're performing, you know, and I, I could see how somebody might be more nervous about doing that if they have like a fear of public speaking. You know, it's a totally different thing than being in a room alone with one person. Yeah. I mean, I just ask because some people I think would feel the opposite. They'd get so much easier. Just get up there, take your clothes off and then call it a day, right? And you do make a lot of money. I remember hearing about a girlfriend of mine telling me that one of our mutual friends wound up doing. escorting once in New York City many, many years ago. And, you know, by the time the agency took the money and all that. So she was like making no money, like, less money than when she was like bartending, right? So, you know, sometimes you do, that's why I was like, oh, like, but then you hear of strippers. They can make a thousand a night, you know? And, you know, with her agency, my friend had told me that

that girl was only, I mean, she was like taking home a couple hundred bucks, you know? And so. That's so sad. Yeah. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. But for you, you must have figured out a way to make some cash. So you said you had some issues and you got in some kind of trouble in the beginning. Like what happened? Anything kind of crazy that you want to talk about? Yeah. Like there was a lot of quote unquote auditions in the beginning where they just make you do all

these sexual things that you didn't actually have to do. But they make it sound like, oh, well, if you work for me, like I'm giving you like, or I'm doing you a favor. therefore like can you do this can you do that and then you don't get paid for BJs and um sometimes the full service yeah wow and how many times did you fall for that lots of times because it was desperate in the beginning it was so many responses of ads that I had made that I just went to every single one of them at the time it was just like a very desperate like mentality that I just went to every single interview and just fell for every time.

Like not knowing. And that's fucked up because those those people in that position know that, you know, and they're taking advantage of it. Yeah, for sure. So you gave some blow jobs, slept with some guys just to get into their quote unquote agency or have them hook you up with like clients, Johns, whatever you want to call it. Yeah.

And there was also a time where they. They hired me and then the first guy, the first client I would see, they would get a freebie. You're kidding. Why? So they're hooking up the client. Right. Like as the thank you for being a good client and then the girl has to be the one to just like give it up, you know? Right.

No tipping or anything. Yeah. Right. Wow. And you don't get anything for that. And how do they do they tell you afterwards or they tell you before and you're just still so desperate that? If you want to work there, that's what you have to do. Oh, my God.

So when do you eventually start making money at any of these places? Or did you never? And that just was a learning lesson for you. Well, I didn't actually end up going with some of them, obviously. But then the people that I did do that took advantage, yeah, they took advantage in the beginning. But yeah, you end up getting clients and you make money. But one guy was like really crazy. like he saw that I had also been hired somewhere else and saw pictures that he took of me,

but those are the only pictures that I had to use. Yeah. So he saw that, thought that I was betraying him. Yeah. Set me up on an appointment. Went to the appointment. It was a long session, multiple hours. I get there to give him half of what he was owed.

And he told me, oh, I saw your pictures, blah, blah, blah. you betrayed me. You have to give me the whole thing. Or I'm going to bash your car. Like that's kind of what happened. So it scared the hell out of me because the guy was huge. And like he had talked about in the past how he had done that with other girls, like, wrecked their car and everything. And because I wasn't living anywhere specific, I had a lot of stuff in my car.

Right. So like if he had destroyed my car, like there was just no way. Oh my God. You were living in your car? pretty much right pretty much yeah oh yeah this is like a sad story i know that's what i was like kind of trying to avoid like no listen this is i think listen i ask all these questions because i think it's important for people to hear the whole story right because out of context like people sometimes like you just see like the end result like oh maybe now you're doing well and you're making money

and everything's good so some other girls listening to this like oh i'm going to go out and it too. But she needs to, women need to know the truth, right? Like this is how it started, you know, and this is why you started. I think you want to, I think those details are important for people to hear, you know, and to understand, right? Because why would a girl start that like you? You know, listen, everyone starts for different reasons. This is just your personal story, right? But I think that it's, it's not bad to have this beginning in there. I think it's good because it's the truth, right? Yeah, and it's the craziest thing because when I first met these guys, like, from these

agencies, they were so kind of like almost upset with me for being in such a bad financial place. They're like, normally we have a girl who has her stuff together at least, and like, they were mad that I was such a headache. And because I was having so much moral issues with it, I was like, why would any girl have her stuff together and want to do this? Like, I remember being confused by that. Right. By like their reaction to like my situation. Like I assumed every girl

whoever decided to do this would be in the exact same spot, you know? Listen, and some people and listen, I'm sure there are some people that aren't that way, but there's probably a lot that were in your same position, but they're able to not show it. You know, I think a lot of times there's a lot of people walking around that seem like

they have their shit together and they're a total fucking mess. Okay. That's just a fact. Some people are more outward. about, you know, they let their freak flag fly, I would say, and it's very obvious wherever they're at in their life and some people are really pro

at hiding it. You know, that's why your podcast is so good because it really does expose, like, truth. And, like, that's what we need in this world is more truth because... So you don't feel like a fucking asshole. And you don't feel like, oh, you're the only girl that was a mess,

like you said, you know what I mean? You thought every, you know, and now all of a sudden you feel like you're the only one that is in this bad place. But that's not true. And that's why I think it's important for people to hear that part of your story because it is your truth and it does happen. And then maybe it makes that girl that's like trying to hide the fact that she's not together, you know, not feel so alone, right?

Yeah. So it's fine. I mean, I like, that's why, I mean, my show, I sometimes like, make jokes like, oh, I feel like I'm cock blocking this episode because some people maybe are listening to get hard from the stories, you know, but I don't do my show for that reason. I do it because I'm interested in people and I'm interested in real life, how real life stories go, not like the fucking movies. You know, I always say like, this isn't the movies where like you change and you make a decision to be better and it happens immediately.

You know, life is like difficult and more messy than that, you know, and this is like a real life story of a sex worker that could be. Not to say, like I said, there's other people who could have a much different power. to this, right? But this is your story and this is the way that it is. And I think that that's why it's important also because people get very judgy about things. You know, they hear a sentence like, oh, this girl fucks guys for money and then they go to like judging that person, you know? But maybe if you hear the whole story, you might feel different. Like, you know what I'm saying? You were homeless, right? You didn't. And we could get into how you got there. You know, I'm sure it would be an even more horrible story, right? Because like how does a young girl wind up

homeless, right? But like, you know, and who's to say that if somebody else that is judging you right now or judges you for what you do, that if they were homeless, they wouldn't do the same thing, you know? When people are backed into a corner, you know, you do what you got to do, right? And it also goes to say, like, it's like, because of like all the stuff that you encountered with the guys and like the fucked up shit that they made you do to join their quote unquote agency, it really says something about the fact that this kind of, work should probably be legal so that they could put some boundaries, right? And laws in place to protect women that are doing this, you know, it's like fucked up. Yeah, definitely more protection. Yeah, and very dangerous. Like you said, that guy was going to bash in your car. That was like basically him blowing up your house, right? Because you were like living there. Like, it's crazy. So how did you? Right. Yeah. So let's go to. But so you go through all this stuff. You learn the hard way, right and when do you finally get to an agency that's like legit is that or work for yourself and you got it down like when does that happen and how does that happen yeah well um i actually did stick

stick with an agency for a while and they were okay they were super nice about letting me sleep during the day in their offices and get ready at one of the girls house and like when it was like time for me to work, I'd have to like, you know, you know, do everything, like make myself up. Yeah. And they were super nice about it. The guy never said his real name. So that's always kind of been the mysterious part about agencies is that when you quit the agency, you'll never know who you actually, like, met. And you'll never see them again.

Yeah. You know. But it was basically when I had enough money to like move on about. myself is when I decided to do it because I knew that giving half was just like too much, especially with all the hard work involved. Like, you just don't want to give it up, you know? Like it's, I remember there was like a time in, like in one of the, I'm from LA. So I was working in like the hills. And this guy was like doing like, I guess lots of drugs. And it was so long. It was like all night. It was like every hour I check in. Do you want to stay? Do you want to? Do you want me?

me to stay another hour. He'd say yes. He'd say yes every hour. And then the guy from the agency just sat in his car. He was actually the boss because it was so late that he was the one who took me to the call. And he sat in his car the entire time and I was the one working and I had to give him half of all that, all that like time that I spent with him. And it was just, it killed me. How much would you, like in a night like that? Like how much were you charging around an hour and how much did you make that night? It was 300 an hour. And this was back in like a while ago.

Yeah. So that was kind of a lot. Yeah. And it was every hour and it was all night. So let's say, eight hours. Yeah. Yeah.

And I gave him half of that. Like it was crazy and he was so happy and I was so sad about it. You know? Yeah. He was like, you did good tonight. Yeah. And I was like, oh, geez. Like.

Uh-uh. Right. So it was a lot to be with a guy who, you know, like is on drugs and you're trying to stay awake and peppy and be there for the guy. Like, you know. For eight hours, right. So it's a total stranger who you don't know you're maybe not attracted to. Do you always use, do you always use condoms and everything when you're doing? Of course.

Okay. Yeah, of course. I would never for a billion dollars whenever. I'm sure you get guys that proposed. They ask for that. Yeah, of course. crazy to me. Yeah. Yeah. That's because there's girls that obviously do it. If they're asking, it must mean, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So you were always protected. You never got any,

like anything from anybody. No, no, no. And, and, and I've been arrested before. Um, and I've learned this from policemen. They say, like, if you do have something, then you can be, um, uh, charged with like convicted murder because you have AIDS or whatever it is, you know, Oh, that they could come back. If you give it to somebody, they could legally come after you. Yes. Oh, interesting. And so the cops told you this when they were like you were in their car going to jail or something.

Yeah. Yeah. Were they nice to you? No. Oh. No. I think that they're like giving you like helpful advice. Oh, they're being like mean to you.

No, like maybe in that moment. Yeah. Yeah. But like no. Like overall, no. Right. I think it was a situation. where there was a woman cop and then there was a relationship with the other,

that she was in a relationship with the other cop. And I don't know if he was attracted to me or what, but she was obviously like hating on me, hating on me. Like, like, they don't let you go to the bathroom by yourself. And she was sort of like very aggressive to like, like when I wanted privacy, she was mad. She like, like, pushed me against the wall. to like get me to cooperate.

It was bad. Oh, wow. Like she was abusive to you. She had something going on like you said. I thought about like maybe filing a complaint, but I never did. Yeah, but I never did. Yeah. It's sad because you know you didn't do it because you know you would have like they most

likely wouldn't have listened to you. You know, it's your word against a cop, right? And who are they going to believe in that story? Which is sad because your story, you're correct, right? And what happened to you, you know. And I'm sure that was the. case, right? But you wouldn't, you're going up against a whole like bureaucracy that would I think you're allowed to file complaints, but like, I don't know. I just wanted to forget it as

quickly as possible. Yeah, I can imagine that. How many times were you arrested? Twice, actually, once in L.A. and then once in New York. And when you get arrested, they don't let you out until you have a court date. So you usually have to wait for the next morning. If you're arrested on the weekend. You have to wait a while, which is really messed up because it's like a temporary jail basically, you know? Yeah. Are you in there by yourself or with a bunch of people? No, it's usually like a sting situation and there's other girls. Oh, you mean, oh, so you're, you all get busted like everybody in the agency or something, like they're watching you for a while. Actually, this is, this is when I was independent and the sting is basically like where the guy

pretends to be a client and he's at this hotel and it's the same hotel and it's like different girls that they find through the ads. Yeah. And and everybody gets arrested in the hotel. Oh, so he set up with you and 10 other escorts to meet him all, right? Pretend's solo. And then you all show up and one after another you all get busted. Yeah. Oh yeah. Now I'm assuming you're you've learned the hard way again how to not get busted. Like was those like getting, arrested was that like early on and now you've been playing it safe ever since or you know the ways not to get arrested? Because I know that Molly like, you know, is really good at like vetting people and making sure, you know, she's, she's like on some sort of site, I think she said, where like, you know, you only, she only takes clients who other people have seen, right? And have reviews.

Like references and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Do you do that now? I do screening very heavily, but in this last situation, because the first time, obviously, I didn't know, but the second time this happened, I actually had some sort of suspicion that my ex was connected to it because the precinct was right across the street from where he lived. And he knew what you were doing. Yeah, he kind of threatened that when we broke up anyways. So I feel like and when I was arrested

He the the policeman knew my name Like wow Yeah so I feel like that was sort of like a setup in a way Yeah that you even no matter how safe you were The fact that you dated this guy and told him that too got you fucking arrested Yeah I think so yeah okay so oh my god There's just too much story here like I could just go on about the cops the arresting Like every little situation yeah

No it's so it's interesting I mean it's scary how do you move from What brought you from L.A. to New York? I just wanted to change. I've always wanted to live in New York. I would, I would like to live in another country. But, like, I know with everything going on in 2020,

and 2021, like, that's probably not something I want anymore in my life. But it would be nice to have, like, said, oh, I've lived here and I live there. Right.

Well, you can eventually do that again, right? Maybe. Maybe I don't want that anymore, though, you know? Yeah,

that's interesting. It's just so much better. Like, I know, like, you've changed. I feel like I feel like I've changed. I feel like, changed a lot with like this whole pandemic yeah yeah because you're like well you know it's okay

to stay in one spot you don't have to fly here fly there you know like and now and now were were you escorting all through the pandemic like were you still seeing people i actually was yeah i actually was um i have a good set of like regulars and i don't see new people that often so you right um and their eyes are in that regular group? Oh, I don't, I don't know, but there, they, there's some of them that actually, because you know, you know that I'm a conspiracy theorist, but like, there's actually people that believe the hype or whatever, I don't, but, you know, F to each his own. And they still see me.

They just think that's a very low risk in New York. Right. I'm not sure why they think that, but that's what they think. So they'll, they'll come here with a mask and everything and still, not during but they'll come in like you know massed up exactly so but where do they see you in your apartment or do you meet them in a hotel yeah no i i i do incal here they call it in call yeah and now do you have a doorman because you live in the city i live in the city i know how it goes like is your apartment a dormant oh i didn't know oh my gosh i didn't know you were in the city yeah i wonder why i didn't know that oh okay um no i don't have a dormant and i did that on purpose because i don't know that's what i was going to say like no but some women do so

Some girls have dormans, and maybe they tip them off. I'm not sure how that works, actually. I've always been curious. Yeah, no, I totally, because I'm always like, what does my dormant think about this? What does my dormant think about that? That's just the way my mind goes. So, yeah, I'd be, like, so paranoid if I was having the random guys come in and out.

I had a guy that I was, like, banging, like, a long time ago who's, like, his neighbor when he first moved in, he's like, what the fuck's going on? He's like, I hear her having sex all the time. And then, like, 20 minutes later, like, I'll hear the door slam. and then I hear someone else come in and then she's doing it again and he wound up and he was like, I think she might be a hooker. And I'm like, maybe, you know, and so, and he got to the bottom of it. And it turns out she was like that was her deal.

So like, do you think your neighbors have any idea? Yeah, I do. But like the neighbor that I had recently moved out. Oh my God. Don't even get me started on this neighbor though because the neighbor that I did have. I think he sold drugs. He would go across the street. Yeah.

Yeah, he would go across the street with like bags. And like, why across the street? Like, who does he know across the street? Right, right. So you're looking at him like, what the fuck is he doing? He's probably looking at you like, what the fuck are you doing? But because you're both doing something maybe illegal, no one says anything. Yeah, but like, don't you love the truth?

I mean, yeah, yeah, no. I just think it's funny that you're both, you're like, oh, I think he was selling drugs. He was probably like, what the fuck is she doing in there, right? Because maybe, I don't know, some buildings, you know, the walls are very thin and you hear a lot, you know, that's going on. so it's hard to hide it. I do wonder about that. I wonder like the neighbor directly, like window wise from my bedroom.

I wonder like if he can hear me because I'll hear him singing in the shower, but he has his bathroom window open where his mind is closed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'll like, yeah, like yell or something. Yeah. So wait. So right now, right? Because I could just get 10 more hours of backstory on you.

But like right now during the pandemic, You have your regulars, right? You're doing it on your own. You keep all your money now or do you split it with any kind of agency or are you solo? No, no. I keep it all now. Okay. How much do you charge?

I've always curious about like the money aspect of it and like the menu, you know, like how much do you charge per session? Well, it changes so much. Yeah. But I like, because it depends on like how much you want to work, how much you don't want to work. Yeah. And because it is a pandemic.

Yeah. And because it like if you want to do like, okay, let's say $3.20 an hour or something. Yeah. That's someone who wants to work all the time. Yeah. But because we are in a pandemic, like now I have a two hour minimum. Yeah. And it's $500 an hour.

Uh-huh. And the regulars that I have, they'll just keep what they used to pay me in the past and that's fine. Yeah. And anyone knew, like they have to get through this threshold because I don't know them. I have to screen them. There's a lot involved. Yeah, yeah. So obviously it's going to be more. Yeah.

And then I have other things that I'm working on, like, that I consider work, even though there's not, like, monetizing yet, that I spend most of my time, like, developing, like, online. So, so that's, like, that's where all the time is going to do. And there's going to be your YouTube channel, that kind of stuff. And my podcast and everything, yes. Oh, okay. What's your podcast?

What's the name of your podcast? Well, my podcast is called The Dawn Diary. but I started doing it like kind of like a therapeutic podcast where I was just going to talk about whatever I was like feeling that day or thinking about and I couldn't do it without mentioning sex work so I was like fuck it let me just be honest like let me just yeah like it was impossible to like talk about anything without like having that in the picture of course so I was like let me just be open about it and that's what made me oh yeah if you listen to this story now already Like, I mean, if you start at the beginning, you know, and really give that story and all the, you know, I mean, I just think it could be a really fascinating podcast, like the journey of like sex work, right, for one person.

Yeah. And I've had other girls interviewed in there too. And they do a completely different thing, like the camming that we talked about. Like, it's a totally different story too. Like how they started, how much they make. And I've really enjoyed it. I've really enjoyed interviewing people and seeing what what it's like to be them and that kind of thing. Yeah, because it just goes to show that everybody has a different story. Somebody gave me a bad review recently. It was like, oh, you have the same fucking fetishes on all the time. It's like, asshole. Why don't you listen to the fucking podcast, okay?

Because I could have 10 guys that are into pantyhose. But each one has a 100% different story because each person's life is different and everybody's unique. And that's, you know, and if you talk to someone enough, instead of, just read one fucking sentence about them, you'll see that every person's life is different. And it's interesting. And people learn from different parts of different podcasts, you know, but it does, I've been doing my show for six years. And like I said, I could talk to a million guys that like to see their girl get fucked by somebody else. But everyone's story is so different and so unique and so interesting to me, you know. And like I've said many times to you today already that like this is your story of sex work. And it's like,

it wasn't an easy time for you, you know, and it was hard. That doesn't mean that there's not that other person out there that it was very positive experience, right? And they made it the decision to do it from a very different point of view, right? Molly is a, it's a very different story, how she got into escorting, you know, but I think it's really important to show both stories because they both exist, right? And some people will relate to yours and some people will relate to hers. But I think it helps to remove the judgments, you know, when you get the whole story. And that's what you're doing as well on your show, right? You're interviewing a people in the business as well. Yeah, I think it's important just like you said, because I used to say like,

oh, I will never write a memoir because, you know, there's like books out there about like girls that have been in the biz and I'm like, I'll never write it because so many girls have done it. Yeah. But then I kind of went back to like what you just said. Like, wait a minute. Like I have my own experience, my own voice and my own perspective. Like it may be sort of the same, but it's really not. And like I've noticed that with my interviews, like we are women, just. women in general are just so different from each other, you know? Like you don't even have to be like in the sex work industry like to just be two women who are completely different. And that's what makes us so like interesting to talk to, you know.

Yeah, for sure. What is the name of your podcast again? And it's on. It's called the the Dawn Diaries. Dawn, D-A-W-N, Dawn Diaries. Now they could find that anywhere on any like podcast app like on iTunes or wherever they find this podcast. Right.

Yeah. So they have that. But the time it airs, I'll have everything because right now I'm in the editing process. But like, I think by the time this will air, I'll have episodes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, no, that's smart. Listen, when I started my podcast, like I, um, Robert Kelly, who's like a big comedian was the one who got me into it, told me how to do it.

And he was like, make sure you don't just put your first episode out there. Like, do a couple. I had all, I had like six episodes already tape before I even knew the fucking name of my show. Right. I didn't have no idea. Right. Yeah. That's exactly what I want to do.

I want to have a lot so that I don't get. it overwhelmed by like having to keep up with the consistency. Like I'll have stuff to spit out as I'm busy with other things. Yeah. Yeah. And you want to make sure that you have everything in place once you have it. And you know, you have to make a decision like, hey, I'm going to air a one new episode a week or however you're going to do it.

But you have to stick to that all the time. You have to stick to that. Yeah. I've taught a lot of people how to do a podcast and most of them don't ever wind it. It doesn't stick with a lot of people because they're like, oh, they post one one day. And then the next week they do it. another time, then they take a month off and they do it again. Or I have one girlfriend that starts a podcast every other week.

And she's like, oh, that was my first season. And I'm like, what do you mean your first season? Like, you got to keep fucking doing it. You can't do it six times and then call it a day. You know, so you want to have a bunch of them. Yeah, so that you never fall behind. If your audience starts to like what you're doing, they expect your podcast at the same time every week to come out.

You know, you have to make sure you do that. It's like any business, right? Yeah, it's part of their routine. Like, I love podcasts and I want to hear like the people that I listen to. Yeah, you get it. Yeah, you know. Exactly. So let's get back to you. So, and we'll, I'll give you your plugs for your stuff again at the end of the show. Now, this other thing I'm always interested when I talk to people like you was like, what, what is on that list of like what you do do, what you like to do, what you don't want to do as far as, like sex? Yeah. Sure. Yeah, I'm, I am actually

what they call GFE, the girlfriend experience. Oh, you are with this. Yeah. Okay. I am. I am. Yeah, I will not do any porn star experience. And what's the difference? Just because it's, it's, it's really hard to clean up and, like, you know, like, you know, like porn star experiences is like cum shots and stuff like that. Like, I don't know. Like, I just don't feel like I would get paid enough for that kind of thing. Uh-huh. So I just, that's off limits for me.

Yeah. Or like anal or anything like that. I don't do. Right. So you do basics. sex stuff. Yeah. Okay.

And now you said in the beginning that you had, you know, a lot of moral issues with what you were doing. Like, when did you feel a shift? Like, you know, how do you feel about it now? Like, do you still have a moral issue? I would assume no. But like, when did that change? Or maybe not.

Definitely not. Right. But I definitely still feel like a collective shame from stigma. Mm-hmm. And I think that's what the moral thing was. even back then. Not that I thought anything was wrong with it. It was just like how am I going to like show my

face again? Right. That kind of thing. Like certain family members know but not all of them do. And when my podcast is airing then there's going to be problems there too. But like I'm at this point where I'm just sick of hiding

you know. Right. So I think stigma is the number one reason why morally. But even more, the word moral is so confusing to me. Like, right. Yeah. Because I don't know if I believe in right or wrong anymore.

I just believe in like what's helpful, what's not helpful. Yeah. What I always say, and this is what I believe is like everyone makes their own morals, like, and values. You know, you have your own and whatever, right for you. That's why I always try and gauge when I'm talking to somebody, how they feel about what they're doing. You know, when I go with that, you know, if I have a guy that calls up and he's doing

something that most people would think was really terrible, but he's okay with then I roll with that. Right, in his mind. But it's like, but when I talk to guys and I'm cheating on my wife and I feel horrible about it, then that's not cool. You know what I mean? Because it's not cool with that person. So I think that, you know, everybody's morals and values or whatever.

And I think the problem is in the, when you're doing, you're doing damage when you're doing something that you don't feel right about. You know what I mean? And that becomes detrimental to you. But not about what other people is right or wrong. It's about what you think is right or wrong for yourself. and what's, you know, and so I think it's subjective, right? And it's different for everybody. Yeah. And I see married guys too a lot. And it's, it's a very confusing thing because you don't know,

like, in terms of right or wrong, like, kind of like, where did, where did society go wrong in a way? like, like, is marriage just old fashioned or is, is, is, like, is, like, is, like, is, like, is, like, the one that's the enemy in this scenario or is it the guy. Like we, it's hard to say, you know, is it all the above? Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, but what comes first, right? Yeah, that's a, I was thinking because I never really have, I mean, the way I've always

done my podcast is like, you know, just regular people come on my show. I never reach out to people to have like set up interviews, you know, but I was thinking to get like a sex therapist on to answer a lot of those kind of questions, you know, like a, what is a fetish and what is the, what is the, and I was thinking. about the whole cheating thing, you know, like what is the solution to that? Because sometimes I hear these stories where, you know, when every cheating story is different, that's the other reason why I like to have my show, because sometimes you're like, oh, someone cheats and you're like, oh, what a fucking asshole. But sometimes it's a guy who he loves his wife and everything's great, but maybe she's sick

or she never wants, she hasn't had, she hasn't wanted to have sex for 10 years. And after 10 years, he finally cheats on her. Like, what are you, what is the, what is the right thing to do in a situation like that, right, if the wrong thing is to cheat. Like, what do you expect that guy in that situation to do? And what is the answer to all these people cheating? And it's not just men that cheat women do, too, you know. But, you know, so I do think it is those are, you know, I think somebody else can answer those questions, not me.

It's like, I don't know the answers to that. But, you know, you ponder them, right? Because you're like. Definitely. Definitely. So you're doing your podcast. You're starting that. You do your only fans, right?

You have these, you know, you have your set people that you see, Johns, whatever you want to call them. Now, what about your personal life? Are you dating anybody now? I know you had that one asshole boyfriend that knew what you did and turned you in. Like, do you have you had a boyfriend since? No, maybe that's why. Well, that would be traumatizing. I mean, I think it would be hard to find a guy that's okay, right?

Oh, Lord. Like, no, actually, every guy that I've ever, like, dated. They were actually ex-clients. It's never been a guy that I've gone on a date with, like, organically. Okay. Because I don't want to lie on the first date. You have to lie on the first date. You have to say, oh, I do something else for work because that's what they're always going

to ask you, what do you do? And it just never doesn't sound like a good scenario for me to just, like, lie about it and then eventually come out. Like, I've had guys that were friends first, and it turned into something more. and then I'd have to tell them the truth. And how did that? But that's, no, it was not good. They ended up telling a lot of, like,

your mutual friends. Yeah. Yeah. And they were super pissed. So, like, it just never really worked out. Like, which is fine. Because, yeah. Who you've seen as clients and they know your deal.

And then how long does it last? Does it ever, like, rear its ugly head where, like, they think that they're going to okay with it. And then even though they know what you do going in, but then eventually they're not okay with it? Well, like the last guy, the reason why he was so mad about me going back to work is because

he, it was sort of like a weird sugar daddy thing, even though he would hate if I ever use that label, like he knew I was talking about him right now. Yeah. But it did turn into that where he decided to like cover my bills so that I would get out and then when we broke

up, obviously I'm going to go back to work and he was mad about that. And I think that's why the whole setup happened. Oh, that was the guy that snitched, that snitched, you think? Yeah, like, I don't think a guy would be cool. Like, I've had a boyfriend in the past, but I wouldn't be, let's just say I wouldn't be cool with a guy being okay about what I do anymore. Right.

You know? Right. If a guy was like, yeah, that's great. You'd like kind of look at him like, what the fuck's wrong with you? Is that what you're saying? Kind of. Like, it's a little on the selfish side, you know, to just like ignore it. Yeah.

On the other side to what? Like a selfish thing to either ignore it or be in denial. Like I've had an ex-boyfriend just be like, oh, I don't, I never even think about it. I never even think that you do this. You just seem like a regular girl to me. And I'm like, well, that's just denial, you know? Right, right, right. You're like, what the fuck.

Yeah, yeah. And then I would do this role of like protecting them. Like, whereas I want to be protected now. Like, like, I don't want to take on that role of like not telling and what work was like today. Yeah, it's a hard place to be, like, right? As far as when dating comes into play, like, how do you date successfully as an escort? Have you had, you should have that on your podcast.

That would be interesting because I'm sure there's. Oh, yeah, it's a great, it's a great subject. But the way I look at it now is like because Tinder is so popular these days. I just look at it like my client relationships are basically like the modern day of like just like friends with benefits. And it's like a real benefit because I get something out of it too. I don't know about friends with benefits like the normal way. I feel like it's not really that beneficial. Yeah.

There's no cash, you mean? Yeah. Like I don't know. I just don't, I don't see like how that would be like something I'd be into. Like if it wasn't for cash, you know? Right. So that's like what I consider the modern day situation ship, right? Yeah.

So I don't really like look for a boyfriend if that's. how I'm looking at it in my head. Like I'm framing that in my mind. Like that's what this is like. Yeah. Situationhip is that what you called it. I like that word. Is that a word out there that I don't know about?

I like that. Yeah, it's a trendy word. Yeah, yeah. That's good. Yeah, I'm too old for those new words. But I like it. Situation ship. That's what you're in.

Situation ship like is kind of the new thing. Relationships are kind of the old thing. And so I frame it in my mind where maybe I don't need a relationship because I am having sex. Yeah. Anyways, you know? Yeah. So you're good now.

Yeah, I think it's a lot easier to not, right, have it because I think that it is confusing when you get into all that other stuff when you start to date somebody and then it's a client and I don't know. It's loaded, you know, that whole scene. That's why I do think it would be great to find, you know, one of your girls to come on and talk about it who is successful, right? I'm sure there's a girl out there that's sex work and has a relationship and it's all good, you know, but that's.

And they make it work. Yeah, they make it work. How much you take in a month about? I don't have to answer that one, do I? I don't know. It's interesting. Why wouldn't you want to, though? It's interesting maybe more so that you don't want to answer it.

I don't know. Oh, I don't know. I've always been a little shy about the money, like speaking about money. Not just because it's related to sex work, but just to anybody. Like anybody asking me out what I make. Right. It's kind of like, I mean, in New York, we all ask. other like how much you pay for rent i don't know it's like a weird thing that you would do that

yeah and it's okay in york but most people don't do that you know it's like personal i got it yeah i got you don't have to tell me but enough to sustain me right but is okay so then the question would i'll rephrase it i mean do you make good money like it not just like sustain you and i don't know like does it sustain a very good is it a very good lifestyle that you live yes like where i have everything taken care of but no in terms of like long-term goals. Like, oh, like if I, like, like, you know how there's there's all these like, I hear these stories about women retiring from escorting. Like, who are these women?

Like, I don't know anyone. Wait, do you ever, do you follow that girl's sletrepreneur? Do you know about her? No, but I'll write her down. Write her down. I've tried to get her on my show. She doesn't respond to DMs. But look at her.

She's a, she's a girl, a young girl who's into what you do. And she's made a big business out of it. And she makes a lot of money. And she's got a podcast about it. And I think she's got a book. You know, she's like a real fucking go-getter. True. Yeah, look her up and go find her.

See if you could get her on your show or be on her show or something. I think she'd be a good connector for you. She's really smart at making. I mean, this girl will sell. I was like trying to get her on my show because I'm like, I have an audience that'll buy your stuff. Like she sells anything for $5. But she sells it for a lot more. Like she'll, I don't know.

It's like really interesting. You got to go find her. Yeah. Wow. Go look for her. But so you feel like you could make more. Yeah. Like I think doing other things like like passive income is probably like the only way people actually make money for like a long term future future goals and stuff like that.

Right. Isn't that why you started only fans? Because that could be profitable for you, right? Yeah. Like I'm thinking that's going to be like like for passive income. Like I was actually going to ask you about Patreon. on like because I know you have to put on extra content for yeah for members like so how does that work well you know I remember when I first started looking into it as far as like you know because

you're like oh I'm going to do a Patreon I'll make all this money a month and everything but I like read more just to make sure I wasn't living in non-reality you know and the truth is and this is what they tell you straight up early on like listen make sure you're not creating these tiers where you have to do so much extra content that it winds up to be like you're making, if you put, you know, you're having to do 10,000 more hours just to support it, you know, try to figure out a way to offer what you're already doing, right, or something a little bit extra a month of your time, right, and then monetize it because if you wind up off, you know, promising so much extra content, it winds up to be more work than what you're making because most people don't make that

much money. You're going to have like a top 2% that's making it 20,000 a month or 50,000 a month. But most people, like I'll make 800 a month. And that's actually great because most people will make like 200 or 120, you know. But you can. You just have to figure out like, you know, maybe you take your only fans content that you're putting there and just tease it on Patreon. I don't know. I think you're going to make a lot more money on OnlyFans. Right. There's no reason to have a Patreon, really. I think you just have the one stop place, I think only hands. And it's almost better to just focus on one thing anyways. Yeah, just do it there. I mean, somebody said to me like, oh, what you do an only fan? But that's totally the antithesis of what I do on my show. You know what I mean? It's not about that. So I can't do that. For me, I just canceled one of my tiers,

my $5 tier because that was like an extra episode for them. And I'm just going to be doing extra episodes on my show. It just winds up to be too much work. And there's no reason for it. You know, so I had to actually cancel it. So you have to, I think that you should just stick with your only fans and your podcast and your YouTube channels. Your YouTube channel are going to be your podcast episodes? Yeah, they are. But I'm a little worried about the other channels that are connected under the same email. Yeah, you should just do it separate. Just do it separate. You know? So I don't have to worry about that. But doesn't YouTube know automatically that you're the same person anyways, even if it's under a different email because you're on the computer? Yeah, I don't know.

No, I don't, listen, I think that there's so much content on YouTube that there's not somebody sitting there like, oh, look at fucking Dawn. She's trying to sneak up and do two things at once, you know, but there must be like a bot that could pick things up. I don't know, but I would, you know, do it separate and call it a day. I don't know, because I only have one, I have, I don't have like a regular YouTube for myself because I'm, you know, I'm always in YouTube under my, my shows account, you know. so I don't really know but I do know that if it's major sex stuff you're not going to be able to monetize but it's a good platform to have and maybe you just do I think the people that are most successful on YouTube they do like five minute videos

there and then for the full video say you know come to my only fans and so it's a great way to you're not going to monetize there but you're going to drive traffic to your only fans right right yeah let me ask you this real quick and then we'll do another like 10 15 minutes but I want to keep it more about you

right? So do you love sex and do you feel like do you enjoy it when you're with these guys? It just depends on who it is. Right. Some people like I'm so used to them that even if I don't really like it, if I were to sit down and like really ask myself, do I like this? Like I like I don't, it's not like I immediately think no, but because I'm just used to them. I'm like, okay, well, yeah, but I do enjoy sex. So it doesn't matter like if I'm not attracted or whatever it is. Right. But yeah, I enjoy it. Yeah, I wouldn't do it if I didn't enjoy it a little bit, you know?

Mm-hmm. And so you have some regulars that you find attractive. I mean, because you have gone on to date some of these guys after, right? Yeah, but I feel like that was definitely from them chasing me so hard, too. Right. You know? Mm-hmm. And then it was me, like, convincing myself that it was, like, more than what it was.

like emotionally, physically, whatever, you know. Uh-huh. So your hopes for your future look like, what, that you would make more money doing this? No, my hopes would just be like doing, like quitting, actually, quitting and then doing, like making money like other ways. Like passive income would be like my ideal way of making money. Right.

But not through only fans, something completely different, you mean, not sex-related. I mean for now that's fine Yeah No in the future yeah I would definitely wouldn't probably Do sex at all like anything sexual at all yeah Oh that's your goal is to to transition out of it Yeah yeah like maybe like some like help other women maybe like something like along those lines Uh huh

So so there's like sexual history about it but not like anything sexual on my part you know Right so would you want to help women that are getting into the business or that were, I mean, because listen, I think you have a really interesting story. You're a girl who wound up homeless. Like, I mean, how did you wind up homeless? Could you tell me the short version of it? I don't know. Sure, I can tell you the short. Like, the short version is actually actually is a short version. Like, it's not anything very complicated. It's just that I have like, you know, parents that are like kind of absent. And then I lived with my grandma who offered me to live there. Um, but she's kind of bipolar and so she kind of kicked me out like after a week of moving

in. Right. And I had like, um, already left the place that I was living prior to that. Uh-huh. And so I didn't have anywhere to go back to. So what ended up happening is that I lived in a dorm illegally, um, from a friend that was going to this university, but I wasn't going to that university. Yeah. Um, but it wasn't always, um, uh, a permanent thing because they had to leave. for the summer. Like they, yeah, so I ended up in my car a lot of the time

where I find a living room for $500 a month. And that was temporary too. So it was like couch surfing slash car slash dorm, you know, all kinds of things like at that time. Until I had enough money to save up to find a one bedroom, you know, after like several months of escorting.

Yeah. Right. And you did do the car. And now do you, You said some family members know what you do. Are your parents, any of those family members? I mean, do they know what you do? Or do you have a better relationship with them now?

Or are they still kind of MIA? Oh, well, my mom has never been in the picture, but my dad doesn't know. He probably will eventually because of like everything that I'm going to do. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. But he's blind. So technology in him, like don't.

Like he would never find me on his own. Someone would have to tell him. Oh. interesting he's always been blind no he lost his sight um when i was like 15 it's it's funny because while the sentence was coming out of my mind like he's always been blind like then i heard in my head like yeah fucking duh kind of like why would you answer that asked that question but turns out no like he did no no not always yeah oh interesting so how did it happen when he was like how did that happen how did he go he got he got a stroke um from high blood pressure yeah oh wow and then he

he went and so he's been blind since you were 15. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like one eye in the beginning and then it went full black. He was a cab driver in L.A. Oh my God. So now, so you have a relationship with him kind of now and you don't mind if he found out now.

I mean, I would mind for his sake. He probably wouldn't handle it too well, but he doesn't handle a lot of things very well, obviously. So I don't know. I don't know what to say about that. It's, you know, I can't take it on, you know, anymore, you know. Right. And you're about sort of being honest and you want to put your stuff out there because

maybe you feel like you could help people. And it could be a way of maybe generating income for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. No, I. Or even help like the world understand and like kind of like, um, slowly but surely get rid of stigma so much, you know, because that's the main thing. And like, that's why I loved your podcast because.

I think it does get rid of like pretending. I hate the pretending thing about our society. Yeah, totally. Yeah. That's what inspired me so much. I'm like, oh, you know, this woman, like I don't even really know you, but, you know, I still connected because of those things, like the truth about life. Exactly. And I listen, I'm in my 50s, right?

And I got to tell you, like, you know, I understand your dad. I'm probably more closer to his age than your age. I still don't know how old you are, but I'm just saying like it's a different. It was a very different generation. I think the younger people nowadays, I don't think I would have a show 20 years from now because I don't think most people are going to be living double lives, right? But there still is a lot of stuff going, you know, there still is judgment and everything. But it was way worse 20 years ago.

You know, it's getting better. But, you know, you have these, you know, you have so many people out there that are hiding things and stuff. And yeah, the premise of my show is like, this is like what regular people are doing. Nobody's fucking talking about it. And I can't tell you how many emails I get a day of people saying, oh my God, thank you so much for your show because now I feel like I'm not alone. You know, I related to this person or that person.

And also for the person that called in, the people that I talked to, they're always like, it was like a fucking therapy session. Like, it was great. And they get even more out of it when they listen to their episode. And I really do my show because I like helping people. You know, I mean, it really started because I just wanted a call and advice show. You know, it turned into this. whole thing about sex and people's confessions by accident, you know, but I love what I do because I am helping people. And I'm helping a, a people that, you know, most people don't think to help, right? Those like perverts, quote unquote, like people have all kinds of words for the people that call my show. You know, I just think that they're regular people, you know, this is what they do. I think they're regular people too. Yeah, that's what I think for sex and what they're into. And who the fuck cares. You know, I don't have criminals on my show. I made sure you were of age before we spoke. You know, I don't have people that are too young. I don't have people that are due. I don't have people that are due.

like, you know, hurting people or things that aren't consensual, you know. And that's that. But, you know, so, you know, I'm glad you found my show. I love stories like yours. Okay. Like I said, I think sometimes people are listening to my show because they want to, I don't know, is it jerk off material for some people? I don't know. But I prefer these kind of, yeah, it is. And that's okay. But I love like your story because it's, there's so much to it. You know what I mean? It's the backstory is what's fascinating to me. And I think it's smart. And I think, it's great that you're going to start a podcast and talk more about it and then have other people's stories on it. I think you should look up that other girl who's very successful at

doing what you do and maybe try and get her on your show. She doesn't respond to me, but she might respond to you. Slettrepreneur. I wish you all the best. Let's give a shout out again for your stuff so you could get, so you can make some more money on OnlyFans, right? So your only fans. Thanks, Kathy. Yeah. No problem. I'll put it in the like the links if I can you know like Oh okay cool yes yes so it's onlyfans.com slash Christina with a K XX OO Mm-hmm and my regular Instagram is also at But why would you give your regular?

I could cut this out if you want but why would you give your regular? Why not tease? I think you're way smarter, okay, to just give your only fans because people are going to die to know who you are. Why let them know? Do you know what I mean? They're going to want to find out if they get your regular Instagram, they'll be like, oh, okay, that's who she is. But like, I'm going to take that out.

Just only give your own family. Think about it. No, the reason why I have the, the reason why I wanted to put it my regular is just because I do have a link tree that has everything. The podcast. Well, no, so give your link tree. Oh, the link tree. Okay.

Well, the link tree is the same as my, I'm pretty sure. Let me look this up real quick. Yeah, that's okay. I'll cut this out. Yeah. Yeah, link tree, I think, is. on MFL, but let me double check. We won't say, listen, because you don't want to give out like your regular thing because I think

it's smarter to, people are going to want to know who the fuck you are. They're going to go to your only fans and then I don't know how much they're going to see there, but they're going to be more inclined to sign up if they don't know what you look like and they want to see what you look like. Do you know what I mean? Oh, yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah, so just give your link tree and your only fans. And then maybe on your link tree, they'll be able to find. your regular Instagram, but that's okay.

Maybe they won't, you know. But just give out that and your link tree. Because on your link tree, does it show your podcast too? It does. Yeah. That's why it has everything. Yeah. Find that link tree.

Do you know what it is? Yeah. It's the weird spelling link, tr, dot E. slash Don, lowercase MFL. MFL. What does that stand for?

Yeah. Is that like one of those things? No, it's Marie Flores. But, um, it's just, yeah, it's just the letters that I could put on my Instagram without adding numbers. Okay, cool. So people know, how long have you been doing only fans? Is there a lot of content on there that they'll get? It's been a month and I know, that's why I have a promotional where it's half off. Oh, okay, great. Um, but I'm adding content every day. So, so if people want to sign up for, it'll be, yeah. Okay, good. So if people want to sign up right now, you could get it for half off. Right. So

Instead of 22, you get it for $11 a month. You're constantly adding content. If they want to find your podcast, which is just going to start off to hear, you know, other girls' stories, they could find that at your link tree. And you're going to have a YouTube channel, right? And now on your YouTube channel,

it'll be videos of you talking to people. So far, I have it set up where it's Zoom meetings. Okay, great. And so you can listen to it on the podcast or you can watch the Zoom meeting with the girl and me in there. Right. Awesome.

A girls always bump everybody and I really like this episode. I think it's good and I want to air it as soon as possible. Like I bump. Oh, that's so great. I'm so glad you enjoyed it because I was so worried

based on what I've heard in the past. No, this is my favorite kind of like real light stuff. I'm not as, oh, okay. No, I prefer, I have to tell you, I prefer these episodes than just the ones that are just like is a sex story after another.

I mean, I know that a lot of people maybe that's what they love. That's why they tune in. I know. Yeah, but not, but I think that there's a lot of people who tune in for this kind of stuff, too. They think that they're going to get, but and I get people that say, oh, I tuned into this because I really wanted to hear about this, but it wound up to be really interesting. So I think, you know, I, I prefer, and this is like why I do my show.

I love this kind of real life story about people. So I think it's a great episode. I can't wait to air it. This is so exciting. I had no idea that I was in the lineup this quick because girls always, you know, they can only imagine. and how many people you get to speak to. So I'm so flattered and honored. Thank you.

Yeah, I have like 20 back. I already, I have 20. I've already taped. I have like 15 more that are already scheduled. But women always bump everybody because I don't have as many women calling in, you know. That's cool. Yeah. So, and I love that this is like another, it's like another escort story.

I just had Molly talking about it. But it's so different for Molly that I think that's what's interesting about it, you know. So you'll be posted soon. Let me know when you get your stuff. and thank you so much for calling in. Thank you too. And it was so nice to talk to you. You're easy to talk to you.

Yeah, no, I know, right? Some people will be like, oh, I'm so nervous. I'm like, trust me, two seconds after you're talking about you'll be relaxed. I'm, you know, because it's fine. But I'll listen to your podcast too and I'll let you know what I think. And let me know what you think of this after you listen to. I think it's going to be great. It's going to be a great episode.

Oh, I'm so excited. Oh, and is there a way to get a recording of it? Like, so I can post it somewhere maybe? Yeah, of course. I could send you the MP3, what, so that you could air it on yours? I don't know. Is that allowed to air? Yeah, I can see whatever the fuck I want. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. We'll figure it out. Okay. Thanks. Okay. Sounds good. Okay.

Have a great day. You too. Bye. Bye. Bye. Okay. I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in

paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audio book. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck story. There's a gang-being girl story.

Like I said, 17 stories. And they're all told in the third person, and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person. And I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like Penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right?

But these are true stories. 17 of them. They're really short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format. And finally, the audiobook is available. coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or

pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint. Okay. There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay. I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other. And that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you can win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private, like I said. All you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook,

the ebook, or the paperback. Send it to me at strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com. That's strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com. And I will send you. the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in.