Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 379 - Thorn is Into Pegging and Pantyhose and More!

Episode Date: March 15, 2021

Thorn is into pegging and pantyhose and a whole lot more and he calls in to talk all about it. Who did he first realize he was into pantyhose? How far has he taken his fetish? How did he get his wife into pegging? Tune in to find out plus hear all about why he was a virgin until his thirties, how he met his open minded, polyamorous wife, how they both like to dress up in lingerie and what they do together, how and why he prefers foreplay to actual s-e-x, his interest in electro-stimulation, his porn addiction and how it led to him making his own videos and a whole lot more. To hear/see me on the Dawn Diary podcast click here: https://youtu.be/EyBuZL-JmjE **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast with Kathy. If you want to follow the Strictly Anonymous podcast on Instagram or Twitter, follow the show at Strict Anonymous. The guy I have today, I think I taped it last May, but if you want to be on the show and you have a great story that you think I've never heard before, send me an email Strictly Anonymous podcast at gmail.com or go to my website. Strictly Anonymous Podcast. com and click on be on the show. Remember Don the Escort? I was on her podcast. She's just starting out. I don't know. Sometimes I have some guests on my show and I just really like click with them and like them. I really liked Don. She came on because she started her own podcast and then I was like,

I'll go on your podcast and she has it and she's, I did a podcast with her and you could see me in it like half of me. I'm literally in my bathroom and my tits look huge because of the angle. I mean, they tend to be bigger for my body. I think maybe I've said that before. But in this, video they really look even 10 times bigger because I think the way the angle was but you could see me there I'll put the link below if you want to see my interview with her we talk all about me so if you want to know more about me you could go there or go to my patron page because I do Q&As and answer all kinds of questions there so today let's get on the topic of who I have on today it's a guy named Thorne now Thorne came on my show literally last May I have people who called him before him who

haven't been aired yet and I have like already 20 more that I last week so I'm fucked. I still haven't been able to commit to whether I'm going to do double episodes or two episodes a week. I haven't committed yet because once I do, that's the way it will be. So I'm just waiting to figure out what is the best way to do it or do it behind a paywall. I don't know. I don't know. Send me your emails. Send me an email if you think what would be best. Double episodes or two episodes a week. So I could get these episodes off my back. I mean, I have too many of them at this point. And I'm taping so many people. I don't. have enough to air. Does that make that or have too many to air? Anyway, enough about my bullshit

worries. And let's get back to Thorne. So Thorne called in last year. Thorne is into Pannios. He's into pegging. He's as an open marriage. I do, I remember making a note to myself that when I did this intro about Thorne to let you guys know that in the beginning, I like hyper-focused on the fact that he was a virgin till way later in life. Like, and I'm not talking like 18, 21. Like it's later. And I focused a lot on that and I feel like you know who really cares we talked about it and I think of course you want to talk about what I think I might have talked about it a little too much but don't worry because we get into all the other stuff if you go through the once you get through the virginity things that like I said I think I harped on a little bit too much you get into all the other stuff he's into panty hose he's into

put jobs with panty hose he happens to be bipolar and on the spectrum we talk a little bit about that he's a cross-dresser he's really into pegging and he's with an open girl who he makes met online many years before they got together. Well, they got together. They stopped to be together, but, like, they have an open marriage. She's super cool and open and into the stuff that he does. And she's down with it. And they both dress up and she pegs him.

And they have, like, a really great time. He also talks a little bit about a porn addiction and how, like, just looking at so much porn had made him, like, not be able to find the porn that he liked. So he started making his own, ordering his own. What does that mean? I wanted to know. I asked him.

He explains it. And he does give a website for like what he, what he, where he goes to see the kind of stuff that he wants. Anyway, anyway, so I'm just going to get right back on with Thorne. Hey, Thorne. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. How are you today? Tonight. I'm good.

Whatever. You're good. So, you know, yeah, what were you going to say? Oh, well, I think I'm COVID free so far. Oh, yeah. There you go. Well, I've been the most infested COVID place. I'm in New York City and I stayed through the whole time.

I've been fine. And I don't know. It's funny because I'm in New York. And like everybody, I think, you know, from the outside looking in is like, oh, my God, we're like the worst, most dirtiest place. Right. But I don't know what, and I know a lot of people here. I don't know one person that's had it. I think we all had it previously because I was deathly ill in January.

And other people I know were ill, like, you know, around those times. So I think we had it all already. And that's why we're not getting it. because like how the fuck have we been okay? Like I don't know one person that's been sick. But anyway. So you wrote in and you gave me a lot of information, interesting stuff, okay, in your email that you sent me. And I know that you're another panty hose fetish guy, but you had like 10 other things in your email that were like equally, if not more interesting than that because it's stuff that I haven't really talked a lot about.

And the first one being that, you know, and maybe we could start with the fact that you were a virgin, right? When, until you married your wife, which was at 33, which is super late. I don't think I've ever talked to somebody that lost her virginity that late. No, and, well. I mean, it wasn't too holy. I mean, I think I really lost my virginity to the computer before that. Right. And it was, you know, I mean, I didn't.

marry her and then lose it. So it was while we were living together for about six years before we got married. So if it wasn't a religious thing, like that's what I was trying, that's what I was wondering, because you did say that holy thing and the thing, like, you had sex with her before you got married. So if it wasn't like, oh, I'm not having

sex with someone because of religion, why had you not had sex before? Because now I have to say, we're going to get into all that other stuff. Like, you live a very open relationship with your wife. You guys do a lot of kinky things that we're going to talk about, right?

And you would tend to think that somebody that, you know, doesn't have sex until they're 33 might be a little repressed and maybe conservative and vanilla, quote unquote, but you're anything but, especially the things like I said that we're going to be discussing. So I just wonder

what, why you were a virgin up until 33. Was it religion? My explanation of it is when I did have like a relationship in my late teens, I think my emotional nature was just too intense for me.

Like, I mean, I thought about this girl for like every day for over 20 years, like, after all this went down. After what went down? Just like, you know, breaking up with your first love kind of thing. Oh, okay. Yeah. I just felt like, I mean, I tried to go on dates or do online dating and stuff, but just my emotions are just get too heavy for me or I'd feel afraid that if I did do the deed with somebody that, you know, I'd just want it more and more or, you know, I'd feel even more of a loss than what

I felt when I was like a late teen. Right. It freaked you out. It freaked you out because it was too much. But what about that? Like, I mean, you know, because I'm assuming through high school and through college or whatever you did after high school, right? Like you had friends.

Did you go out? Like, I mean, how did you not, I get that maybe you'd be afraid to have a relationship, but sometimes, you know, sex and relationships aren't the same thing, right? A lot of people, when they're younger, just have sex or just have relationships or both. Yeah, I guess I kind of frowned on the whole idea of just doing it for the sake of doing it to impress your friends or feeling like you got a piece of the pie in life and you're growing. And I just, I kind of felt disgusted about that in a lot of ways. And then I also, I had a lot of lack of self-confidence and self-esteem as a person, I guess, based off of my own traumas in high school and college and I joined, I was in the military too.

So I think that's had a lot to do with it. And just like I had my first kiss when I was 26 years old with the woman I was dating. Yeah, I was a, I mean, it was only like maybe four dates, but then. I already felt like I was in love and I found the one. She was telling me stuff like, I think you were made for me, and hugging me, hold me all night. And I'm like, hey, this is going to be so good. And then she just kind of quit talking to me and found someone else.

So that kind of drove me nuts. And I just, I guess I was afraid of opening up or feeling vulnerable to other people, which is kind of what kept me away from it a lot. Yeah, but you said, I'm assuming that that girl in your 20s was the second girl you dated, because you said when you were young, you dated somebody, and that really blew your mind. She was a friend. Yeah, she was a friend of mine.

And she claimed herself lesbian, and we were just really good friends. We never kissed or hugged or said we loved each other. But there was a really close friendship and called each other every night and talked and hung out and stuff. She was the first woman that kind of, she actually gave me a pair of pantyhose once. Because I used to kind of go out cross-dress as a,

late teen kid, I just felt like maybe that Bon Jovi song, it's my life now or never, I can live forever. So do what the hell you want. Don't give a fuck what other people are saying. And I would do that. And I kind of gained her friendship through that. And she was the first person to give me footsie at a restaurant while she was wearing pantyos. And I like went home and jerked off about six times in a row after that incident.

And, uh, but it kind of went south real fast. I think just by a young emotional nature, just couldn't. handle it or I've also been diagnosed with a mental disorder that might not have been medicated at the time or something that caused me I would just go into there's just too much pride and fear in me and I just get isolated depressed and and and just I even in a military I had friends this woman came up and and like commented on my tattoos and I didn't even look her in the face and my friends were like man dude she was totally into you she was you know hot. And to me it was

kind of like, I guess it's that fear of getting too close to somebody and have them reject you again and again. It just kind of kept me away. So you were maybe, and what was the, that you think was the illness that was undiagnosed at the time?

Is that something you'd want to talk about or say what it was that you think that you had? Like was it Asperger's or something like that you? My wife actually thinks I have that. I was diagnosed. I don't know, I think I should keep it anonymous, but I was diagnosed bipolar and with an autistic spectrum in there involved too.

Oh yeah, and that could be Asperger's, right? I mean, if that is on the spectrum or similar, I don't know so much about it. I did have someone on recently that was Asperger's and talked a lot about it and explained it to me, you know, as far as like how it works out in a relationship, right because there's a lot of it is attached to how you could feel love and feel feelings yeah I don't think too many I don't know if too many Asperger people

make it through the military and I don't know no and you had too many feelings right like it was almost like it was overwhelming for you is that what you said I think I was just too afraid of of hurting so much I just put on such an emotional suit of armor and kept my

heart in a concrete bunker and I just didn't want to be vulnerable to anybody. Kind of like the Beatles Nowhere Man or Frederick. I used to read Frederick Nietzsche and that wasn't really good for friendships in the regular world. That kind of negative. I was like a Grinch, stole Christmas kind of personality, real grouchy and negative person. Well, listen, you knew at a young age you were cross-dressing. You said that you mentioned that right when you were friends with. that girl.

Right. She knew about it. You were able to be open with her about it? Yeah. Yeah. It was something else. I was more like one of those golf kids in high school. You were.

I kind of used it as a scapegoat to, I mean, you know, actually expose or express my fetish. And, you know, I could wear tights or pantyos or dress and makeup and just go out and feel like I was alive. Now, because you were goth in school. like was, so was it obvious to everybody that that was who you were and that you were into cross-dressing or what did it, did you hide it through just being goth? And like your family thought you're like,

oh, he's going through that goth phase. Correct. Yeah, I think I just hit it through the, hit it through the goth movement phase, uh, was in a nine-inch nails and Marilyn Manson and stuff. Right. And maybe putting on makeup and eyeliner like he did. that kind of stuff

yeah we'd I mean sometimes some weekends we go out though she would actually put makeup on me or put lipstick on me and it was a really burning kind of passion thing we had and I just felt like it never got

expressed or no closure with it and then you stopped being friends with her yeah she and then I tried to contact her again throughout the years like when I was in the military or stuff but she just totally somebody else now and and I'm just still

kind of sometimes I have dreams or something you know just kind of screw up my day trying to get back to reality I just had a real deep feelings of love for her that just never got expressed or you know I could have been a better friend or something how old are you now

I'm close to 40 you're close to 40 and when were you like was this in high school when you knew her Yeah. Mm-hmm. And so you haven't talked to her since. Now, how did you wind up? So you go all your, like, until you're 33.

You don't even have a kiss until you're 26. But I'm assuming, because you said earlier, and I think you mentioned it in your email that, like, you're a poor, like you got, you watched a lot of porn or got yourself off. Like, I mean, you weren't somebody that had no sexual feelings, right? You were like any other guy. Super horny, right? But you were just jerking off at home?

Yeah, I mean, in the military, I can remember I had like two TVs in the computer and I'd have like a VHS tape in one, a DVD in the other. Oh my gosh. Surfing the web on the other one is like the enterprise of porn. Right. So that was your way of releasing it. It wasn't like you didn't have those needs. It also gave me the sense of comfort or control because it's something I can turn on and off. and I don't have to worry about how I'm performing or how I look or what I'm saying or doing,

you know, with somebody else. And that always, even without the sex thing, just being around people sometimes feels really impressive. There's all these imaginary trip lines and landmines you can walk on. And you don't know what you're dealing with sometimes other people. Right. In the real world, like having, being intimate with people is scary for sure. and because you had that bad I mean it almost seemed like

unrequited love that you went through right I mean it wasn't because you guys never even really kissed you didn't really have a relationship you had a close friendship yeah it felt like there were it felt like a winning lottery ticket

that I never cashed in or didn't even know I had and I could go back to memories where we're like dressed up in women's clothes on the back of my car and at her parents' driveway at night in the moon after like a Halloween party. And she's putting her feet up under my ball sack like on the car. You know, I'm like, man, they should have just kissed.

You should have fucked. You should have done something with her on the driveway. And just, you know, those kind of regrets. Right. Well, how did you wind up? So with the girl that you made out with or kissed when you were in your 20s, what happened with her? Oh, like I said, we went on a, it was just like about four dates. And there was pretty magical ones.

But, I mean, she just stopped talking to me after one date. And then this was in my space, was out. And then I noticed she put some other guy as like her number one spot on there. Oh, I remember that in my space with spots. Yeah. Yeah, she moved my spot away. Oh, my God, hilarious. And I guess it turned into a thing where she just found somebody else.

And, you know, maybe, and also maybe my inhibitions about not being as affectionate or daring or intimate. that might have turned her off anyways. I just didn't give me enough patience or time, I guess, to get that far. And there's only four dates. I don't know how many dates you need to screw or fool around. Like three. Sometimes some people do it first time, second, third. You could.

But that wasn't your thing. I mean, you obviously had some issues around it. But how, so what's interesting to me is that you wound up finding somebody. You were able to have a relationship. You're married, right? How did you wind up? Like, how did she get in to you? Like, how did it click with her and work with her?

It may seem kind of pathetic or sad. I don't know. It happens a lot. I don't. I think it's going to be a good story because I believe there's somebody for everybody. She was like my first online girlfriend when I was 17 on the Internet in this virtual places chat room. Yeah. And actually, I'm friends with a lot of these same people that went to the same chat rooms,

and they all married from the same damn chat room, too. One girl moved to Scotland and be with some guy that was in the chat room. And it's kind of funny, and we're all still friends together on social media. Yeah, that's great, though. I mean, you know, you all found a place in a community and a bunch of people you could all relate to and the fact that you guys are still friends. And listen, I think a lot of people think, oh, these people are having. having relationships online and that's not reality.

But you're here to say that a lot of people went on to actually live with these people, get married to them. And they're still with them to this day. They've got kids. They've got anniversaries that are doing good. Yeah. But that's how, but they get back to it. We were just online boyfriend, girlfriend, and we kind of had one of those dramatic online

splitups and just never heard from her again. And then I guess about 2012, I just thought. about her and found her phone number and text her and she was curious who I was and we emailed for about a year and then she came down from she left her life in New York to come to be with me in South Carolina at the time and we've been together since 2013 and now how long did you guys date before you had sex with her because I mean you had known her for a long time I was going to say Okay, so it wasn't like you waited with her because you guys had a lot of history

by the time you guys got together. Oh, yeah, we were just emailing back and forth for over a year. She was actually living with another guy and she left him to come be with me. I don't know. That's kind of a rough way to get into it. Well, whatever.

I mean, it was obviously meant to be with you, right? And she left that guy. She came and moved with you. How was it the first time, you had sex? I'm more like the, just the panties, the feet in my crotch and all that.

But I mean, I feel like sex is more, it's just more animalistic and, and to me, I don't, that's interesting. So like for you, you like all that other foreplay stuff that you have.

Yeah, I love all the foreplay fetish stuff. So maybe that's why you were, because in your life, before you lost your virginity, quote unquote, because I've been hanging on to, like, that aspect of it, right? But, like, before you lost your Virginia,

were you doing those other things that you actually prefer, like having, you know, panty hose on your dick and, like, stuff like that? Were you doing that people? Oh, yeah. Oh. Yeah, I had a big collection of pantyos and tights and women's underwear. And we, I guess we never, it's going to be kind of weird, I guess, jumping from. Not really.

The relationship stuff to the background of the fetish thing is that's what I got a PhD in for sure. Yeah, but that's just the way that it's the way it's unfolding. So let's go there. But I mean, that's what's, it's interesting because I wasn't, you know, I'm just looking at it like, oh, when do you lose your virginity? You're not having sex. But the whole time you're satisfied sexually because what you really enjoy is that other stuff, all the pantyho stuff, right? Like you just said. Yeah. And I kind of found out, I don't know if you know about some psychological problems about it.

You know, I feel kind of guilty. I think it's sort of like a blocks to get through for her intimately. like, you know, she'll be with me or like pleasure in me, but, you know, I'm focusing more, like, on her feet or her legs or, you know, and I think it kind of, it might make her feel a little down or sad that, you know, I'm just, you know, I try to look at her eyes more or sometimes I'll just stop and just tell her that, you know, you really love me, you know, I did put up with, I mean, she's like playing this wicked game and twister with a toy up my ass and her feet in my crotch and her hand, one hand on my, I'm like, dick in one hand on the toy in my ass. And she's like doing so much to, and it takes so much after you've been so desensitized to look in at so much porn. And, I mean, sometimes I feel like I need a roadie if I need to jerk off by myself because it takes, I got to get all this out, plug this in. Right, because you guys have been into electrostimulation, you said. Yeah, I think I think it's because I'm just getting older and the sex tribe might be. dying and I don't want to let it go. So I try to find new adventures, new things to do.

Yeah, and she's super open. I mean, you guys have done, like, she's into pegging you, right? Yeah, we'd, uh, I could, I have one real good memory of that where, I mean, I was in like this lingerie with the garters on and we had Christmas lights around the bed and she was in her, like, she wears lingerie too and she had the strap on and I'm riding her, I mean, on top of her. And she, for some reason for her that gets her off so much her eyes are rolling in the back of her head and she's just like having those blissful sexual experience just from pretending to have a dude's dick and me you know right but you're the she's the guy she's on top of you i thought you said you were riding her but she's pecking her we do we do all sorts of positions sometimes right on top of her she can get on me behind me or whatever right but she has like a masculine side she likes to have her she likes to have have to strap it on, right? And do you as well. She even told me about, I mean, that during our email correspondence for a year.

I mean, she's like, sometimes I'll just put it on by myself and when I'm, you know, alone. And I don't know, somehow it does us something for her to make her think she's got a dick. And her, I guess her other man that she was with, like that and like that sort of stuff. So it was kind of like some puzzle pieces coming together when we. When you guys met up, you mean? Because you like that, too. when you knew that you did? I'm fine with, I mean, I've been used to shoving things up my ass, I guess.

It's a male G-spot thing, man. It feels kind of like hacking your own body and feeling some different, you know, more intense pleasure. Yeah, for sure. And you were doing that kind of stuff before you lost your virginity when you were playing with yourself and by yourself with other people. When you were in those chat rooms, so were those chat rooms like sex chat rooms? Or were they just people talking? right that's because i didn't think that no i think it was something the chat room we were at maybe some people on here remember but it was called da vinci's notebook and it was a like i guess an intellectual

chat room about the renaissance or something just for people who think they're smart and read books and all that but uh i don't know i just go in there and ramble and i was only 18 17 years old oh you know i have to say the way you wrote your email there was like a couple sentences there was one that was like it was very wrong i love things that rhyme and you were like something something dick something something chick i don't know what it was like you you write very well and actually very uh you know poetic kind of and i don't know if you i don't think you were meaning to but or you just naturally do that but i i could tell you had a flare for something you said something like oh she likes a strap on a dick and it gets along with me being a chick or i don't know what it was

but it was like a good sentence she likes to be a chick with a dick and i like to be a man dressed like a chick or something like that yeah but no it was it was better sad you know it was very it was good you know and i was like oh this is like interesting thing about this guy i could tell he is creative or maybe as a writer or something i don't know get me higher do something i don't know anyways so we'll move on to that's me sex stuff if you want yeah so now you and your girl because it's not listen you guys are talking about all this intellectual stuff online and then you find out she has all these other intense things. She knows she, I'm assuming you tell her about your fetishes.

She's explaining the stuff that she's into. So by the time you guys get together, you start to try all this stuff, right? When does the electro-stimulation come into play? Oh, from, you know, I get my worst, I don't know, best I have worst ideas from looking at stuff online. I saw some guy just getting himself off or his own dick off without touching it on one of these videos. like, man, I wonder if that feels good or what that's like. And I'd even lost my, I mean, the first time I actually ejaculated in puberty was to, like a vibrating massager that you used to do your back with or, you know, now they got the, like the Hitachi Wands and all that. But I was just, as a kid, I would put on my mom's pantos and I'd have to house to myself.

And then I just remember seeing this HBO real sex episode. Yeah. And I remember these ladies were using vibrators. I was like, oh, why don't they have wet for boys or men? And so I just decided to start using that. And I didn't even jack off with my hand until I was like in desperate situations. And I just been kind of used to the electrical, the extra 21st century crap. Because you were always using that.

Yeah, yeah. So I just, yeah, I'd seen a video of it. So I ended up one birthday. I was like, okay, I was just blow a bunch of months. money on about like some $500 module that has all these settings and uh and then all of a sudden it becomes like you want to save money on electrodes and you're like in home depot and glows are like my sex store now i just got to look around for the right size diameter loop or pipe piece or it's something you know get some wire cutters and make your own stuff yeah i have

go ahead no you go on well she we've actually used it together where uh i had like a cock ring on the base of my cock and she had one of the electrodes like on her clit so we completed the circuit just by having my penis in her and then she I gave her the module to adjust whatever setting she wants and she was having fun but I think it's a little too robotic or something for it she was like it was interesting but uh I like the old you know old-fashioned intimacy kind of thing right I had a guy on that just spoke all about that I mean it was a whole episode yeah I remember that episode where he at the end he left you with that hanger about

oh yeah I get guys from Craigslist and show him how it's done that was the end of it yeah but he wanted to I think I he gave his email for people to like talk to him so he could help people right what didn't he offer those services up but I mean

it was something that I had never known existed that you could do that kind of thing and he was really into it I mean and I guess because you had all that time right up until you're 33 Yeah. That you would figure out all these interesting ways.

And I get it. I mean, if you're a curious person and you have nothing else going on and you're really into porn and you got some extra cash, why wouldn't you keep trying to figure out new ways? I don't really mess with it as much anymore. Every once in a while, I'll pull it out. But I don't know. Sometimes I've been drinking and when you're drunk, I guess you're less sensitive or something. And then I turn it up too high in the next morning. I have like a dick hangover.

It'd be all like, oh, damn, what did I do to myself? It made me think of a princess bride when that six-fingered man hits. It's like, not to 60 or not to 50. Is it Prince Humperty turning up the electrodes, I guess, on my dick? I don't know. I'm just thinking kind of. Yeah, because that could happen. I mean, is that, like, I mean, I mean, you could really.

I guess tear up your muscles and, I don't know. I could have blown my dick off with that thing. Yeah, that's crazy. You turned it up too high. But your girl was polyamorous. That's what you said before. And that's a, yeah, that goes back to, like, when we were 17 and stuff, that would really mess me up because I felt, I felt some kind of attraction or connection with her when I was a teenager. And she felt the same thing.

But she also felt like she was polyamorous and she could have multiple lovers. and so she was, you know, it really kind of tore me up, and I guess that's what kind of broke off the thing when I was a teenager because I was just like, man, I just, you're good enough for me, and I wish, you know, I was good enough for you. But she kind of moved on to other lovers and stuff. I think when she got into the real world and really did it and had multiple partners, you know, it became a nightmare of,

you know, trying to, I guess, deal everybody else's emotional baggage when you got more than one person it's got to be tough yeah i can imagine i don't i don't have enough love even for one person let alone yeah i don't know so i was like i've had polyamorous couples come on and it always interests me that somebody would you know want to have enough to spread through a lot of people but was she wouldn't she was so by the time you guys hooked up again she was past that phase yeah when uh she was living with uh another guy that was her friend for like about eight years she kind of I guess there were certain things in the relationship

she was missing out I mean like the sexual stuff but also something stuff some emotional stuff and everything he was kind of like became a born again Christian and kind of accused her of like having demons and stuff like shit like crazy shit like that and I really turned her off

and he was kind of bun you know he also didn't have a job and was kind of living off of her too so that right and that's when she went with you now did you guys have kids No, we got cats, but we don't have kids. And how old is she? Is she your age? Do you guys want to have kids? Yeah, she's just a year older than me. Right.

No, she's, I think she gets stressed out and mad enough just having me. I don't think a kid would be make her any happier. Right. It's not something that she cares about. And she's also just real cynical and, you know, we think, I mean, the best thing you could do for your kid is not have them. sometimes. I mean, in this world, the way it goes and shit you hear. But I'm sure we're missing out on a lot of the, what life's about with that. But, I mean, we got cats. She does, she actually works with kids. And she's like, oh, I'm glad I can send them home after the day's done. Yeah, she has the best of both worlds, right? I mean, I don't think it's for everybody, for sure.

And I think that you get, you know, I don't know, I always knew my whole life, how I felt about that. You know, I always wanted a kid. I never wanted to be married, but I always wanted a kid. I'm a single mom, you know. So I think we all have what we want, right? It's like, and you know. So if both of it, and you said you were a little bit of a Scrooge, right? Or whatever. I don't know.

You kind of talked about yourself the same way you just explained to her. You might be a little cynical, too. I think you said that you were when you were younger. She is now. We're both introverted, only children. You know, I think that. I mean, being alone as a kid a lot and, you know, getting into your own hobbies and things. And it just, it seems like people are a mess a lot of times.

So I generally just try to find the healthy ones. You don't want to create any new bad ones or you're right? Or you just feel like it's so fucked up out there. Maybe you wouldn't want to bring a kid in. Whatever. I mean, that doesn't really matter because you have so many, I'm sure you have so many more, like so many interesting stories to talk about as far as because your wife has pegged you a lot, right?

I mean, was that something that she, you said, I think you said she came into that as something, it was something she liked before you, right? And then, and you had always known that you were shoving things up your ass. Right. So it was kind of like perfect. And now is it something that you like to do when you're dressed? up. I mean, do you consider yourself a cross-dresser? Yeah. I mean, when, I think it's more, to me, I feel like it's more transvestic fetishism.

Oh, you use that word in your email. I was like, I didn't even know that that's a good, I think that's the way the DSM, whatever says it, maybe. It's just a, I think I get a sexual rise out of what a normal heterosexual man see a naked woman would turn him on, you know, I'm getting turned on by a woman in her underwear. and her pantos, and that's sort of what gets me to that same state or relation. Or if I'm wearing it myself, you know, that's also a turn-on. Right. So what is transvestic fetishism?

Like what is, that means that you want to be, right? That's who you want to be in the situation. It's a sexual arousal of wearing women's clothes or undergarments. I think the basic definition. Right, but it's more undergarments. It's not like, so the difference would be. be the cross-dresser or somebody that wants to dress up and go outside wearing regular clothes. Yeah, it could be.

I did try going out when I was a late, you know, like I said in the late teen, so I would go to the fair with my friends or something. And we bumped into my parents' neighbors with their little nephew, and I felt, and they looked like shocked when they saw me dressed up like a woman and every, and I felt like it was more of a sexual thing that I didn't feel the need to, you know, press on everybody else. Look at me. I'm dressed up as a woman. I love it. You know, I didn't, I just kind of felt turned off about it after that. Like, it doesn't do anything for me to be like an exhibitionist with it. It's fine, just at home. Right. And you prefer that. And we did go out to a Rocky Art picture show showing once,

and we were both dressed up and, you know, just got to sit next to each other, hold hands, we feel each other's legs and went home. And, I mean, she came real fast that night, I guess just seeing me dressed up and out with her. Your wife. Yeah. Because she likes it, right?

I mean, it's not like she's something she's just doing for you. Right. She likes it, too. So when you were dressed up, is she always, is it always like that role? reversal that you're maybe the woman and she's the guy or no no no sometimes

it's just it's just our sex pants or our sex club I don't we've only had uh I think we've only had sex once without anything or just being naked and um playing human but are you serious you mean like regular sex once yeah

all the other time we just had her anniversary but she I mean she's she had a COVID test done it came back negative so that's good but she she wasn't feeling too good on her anniversary day. When was that? I'd rather keep it. It was late.

It was not too long ago. Okay. But I'm just saying like was it a week ago or like three weeks ago. I mean, it was a couple days ago. Oh, a couple days ago. All right. Now, are there any secrets that you have like from your wife or are you guys just totally open about everything that you do everything that you're into? She, a secret.

No, I actually revealed to her that I, recently, like about a month ago, that I paid for my own, like, pornographic video script clip. You know, I mean, you can do that on, like, Clips for sale or I Want Clips.com. What is it? You can actually submit, you can order a custom fantasy video by different models.

Oh, I wanted to get that for, as a gift for somebody wants. How much do they charge you? It varies on the, depending on the model. Right, depending on the girl, right. But around how much? I figured I wanted to spend like 200 bucks. Would I have been able to get that done? Yeah, probably a 10-minute clip.

Right. So you could, so you have, and what was, what was the fantasy that you had them do? I mostly like, I try to reach deeper into my sexual psyche and, you know, I'm making it more bigger than is, but. It's that childish, lustful side of me that just wants to be entertained or stimulated. And I mean, I've seen so much staying porn on the web. And it just wasn't doing it for me as much as it used to. Sometimes you could buy clips or watch clips that, you know, kind of involve some of my kinks. But then it goes into like some weird, you've got to eat cum or you're going to be called a faggot.

Or you're by and you're going to, I don't know, just all. sorts of growth stuff that doesn't do it for me. So I wanted to just do my, have, instead of wasted money or time on these kind of clips on, I just spend a little bit more money and get my own custom with it as things I wish I had. I kind of felt like I was crossing some boundaries by going that far to myself or not just being satisfied with whatever or just, I think I'm just kind of growing out of the porn thing.

And then there's part of me that's like trying to keep it alive. But the clips I like are just more, I kind of have memories of stuff in my past where my aunt tells my little cousin, like, look what I got you today, pantyhose. And I was like a pubescent team when I heard this. And I felt so sad that like, oh, nobody's going to get me any. So I put that sort of stuff in like a clip about like a sex therapist talking about your issues or something. I did one that was about like a step sister that caught you with her.

pantos on and kind of scolds you for it, but makes you jerk off in front of her and her pantos. It's kind of like that weird domination or you're being humiliated, but you're also doing something you want to do that's taboo or forbidden at the same time. It kind of makes it exciting, I guess, for me. Well, and it sounds like maybe you've done this video thing a lot. I've only done it, four of them in the past year, and I think I'm going to quit now. How much do you spend on them? I've done $200, $300, $300 on each one.

And did you show them to your wife? Like when you told her that you did it, you told her after the fact, right? Did she ask to see them? Did she show her? No, she said she was understanding of it and she didn't take it personally. And I just told her, you know,

I got a warped, demented mind from watching all this stuff. And I really have a harder time getting it up to the computers than I do when she's, you know, dressed and ready for me. It hasn't diminished my lust for her, my love for her. Right.

The sex that you guys have is fine. I think it's just sometimes she's not in the mood. She's not at home. So she didn't, she didn't care to see the videos, though. She was, like, fine with it. Yeah, she didn't care to see. I mean, when we first got together,

like 2013, we moved in together, I actually sat down and let her watch some of my porn and she was laughing. I guess it kind of gave her instructions too on stuff I liked that she would do for me later on. Yeah, why not? I mean... I think she's getting kind of at a point where she's just getting more mature and just how marriages go. I'm sure you've heard a bunch from people like, yeah, when we were young, we used to do all kinds of freaky stuff and everything.

And now, you know, she used to wear pantos to work. sometimes for her job and come home and I get the rubber feet after the day and I've to enjoy that kind of stuff for just going out with her dressed up nice and a skirt and hose but now she just wears like you know the office slacks

and little footies and you know I you know I just wish she would still you know you just get old and I guess I'm you know I'm just not as entertaining or worth the effort that she used to do.

Yeah, maybe it's not about you more so or her feelings for you. Maybe it's more about her feeling for herself. So why are you going to quit? Have you quit regular porn? Have you ever tried? Because I know you use the word porn addict in your email. You've been watching all this porn all your life. It really, when you were younger, was a way to keep you from,

living a real life. Yeah. And have you used it to that extent when you were married or did you use it less once you got with her and you were having sex with her or was it, did it stay? Did you feel like you were still addicted and have been addicted to it all your life? I haven't really had super bad effects. I don't think real negative. I haven't reached porn.

bottom, rock bottom or something. Well, why you, then why you quit? I felt like, you know, paying this large sum of money for somebody to make a clip and there's, you know, billions of billions of clips on the web and stuff that's kind of reaching kind of far. But I had heard a clip that really turned me on with this woman, how she spoke. Like, now it turned in, instead of just seeing the visual stuff, like I was getting into the audio part of it to me.

about like the fetish or just giving you green lights about it. Like, yeah, I want to see you do. I want you to come in your pantos and all this kind of stuff was really getting me excited. And that's what kind of led me to, I think, to start directing my own little personal fantasy clips. So I could hear the things that they would excite me. Right. But it's still not as, it doesn't turn me on as much as if I just heard it out of the blue or something. You know, because it sucks to hear what you just wrote kind of repeated by somebody else.

So, but it might excite other people. Yeah, no, I really was, I told, I wanted to get somebody a clip like that. I'm like, this was a couple of years ago. But I felt like that should, if it didn't, like I was thinking, I didn't know whether it existed or not. I'm like, can't I just pay a porn store or somebody, like a cam person, you know, to do like a strip thing? Like, I don't know, some sort of hot scenario that's very X-rated for somebody who I knew

liked a lot of SEX. right? I thought it would be a good birthday present. And, but I couldn't, I couldn't find it. I didn't know what to look up, but it's good to know that it exists out there. I think it's a good gift for a guy in your life, right? I mean, you went out and bought it for yourself, but I think, you know, it could be a good gift to your partner. Why not? Something else, well, something else that she's not on board with, too.

I wish was, I wish we could have done just the, like, foot job videos. with like her nylons on. And, you know, I would, I would still have anonymity. All you, my dick would be the star and her feet. You know, I think it would be a big ego boost for me. Like, oh, now I'm posting my stuff up there and other guys are jacking off to what I'm getting off. And I'm getting paid for it, too. Like I thought about, I wish you, we could have done that as an extra side job while we were in quarantine and make some extra money.

Would she do that? No, no. I've asked her before. Right. kind of seemed to insult. I guess she has some sort of personal integrity or thinking about it as a moral thing. But what would you, right. Yeah, I get that.

I mean, that's a big line to cross, especially for somebody that's not into it. You know, but is it something you wanted to just show her feet with you and you wanted to video it and put it on? And have you ever gone on by yourself and shown yourself to other people without her? No. No. I'm surprised. Considering how much time you've spent, you know, as a curious person, as a person that has a high sex drive, but it keeps it strictly online, a lot of it. But, you know, always has the need to take it further. Well, I had another thought. I mean, I was kind of wondering if it is such a bad thing and all that.

And I was listening to another podcast about how porn addiction is with people today and how most men with erected. dysfunction or like in their 20s or something just from right they have a hard time physically sexually with the opposite sex or the same sex but they were kind of putting down pornography as like you know there's human trafficking and these women they're forced in these horrible situations and all that but i'm thinking about like all this stuff i don't even get off to people have an intercourse or anything really hardcore or nothing involving children or animals or whatever things people got. So I just kind of, I don't know,

I feel less kind of guilty about it. Right. What is your typical, what is the kind of porn that you like? Mostly panty hose, fatter stuff? Yeah, I really, I kind of dig, just hearing voices,

or women's voices, kind of talk about my fetish, and I'm not wearing a hose or listening, every jerking off talking to you. But I'm just saying that, I kind of get off on the audio thing, or somebody that kind of understands that are kind of like,

aha, I caught you. It's all sort of a childish, lustful side of me that just doesn't go away. I think some people can take it to a point where they get psychotic or something, though. There was some guy on the Paneos forum that I go to that talked about in the news. There was another guy that would go out in a T-shirt and panty-hose and he'd go around this parking lot and you'd tie Panty-hose to people's bumpers, like somehow that's getting them off or that's it. So some people could go kind of crazy with it.

Yeah, I had a guy on my show a long time ago. It might be hard to find the early episodes of my show because I've been doing it for like six years. But he would go to like rest stops and he like to be in full hose like from head to toe and he would like to like flash people. I don't know. He got pretty hardcore.

It was almost crossing a line of being like illegal, I would say. But it sounds like what you do is pretty, like you said, it's okay. I think you have, I think the only thing with the porn is that you have said that, I mean, whether, you know, you're watching stuff that it's not so much about it being bad for you because what you're watching is bad what the people are doing. But it would, it's more that you have said that it has really affected your way of getting turned on, right? Not way, what the fuck is the word? I don't know why I can't talk right now.

But it's affected you and as far as what you get turned on by. Like it's made it harder, right? Didn't you say that in the beginning? It makes it harder to find stuff interesting on the computer. Oh, but not with your wife. Yeah, my wife comes in, you know, wearing what I like. You know, I'm instantly excited. all that uh i think a lot of my stuff is just real soft core compared to what i see on you know

some things on there right i can still get off to like a paul abdul music video or something oh my god hilarious why because she wears tights or something because she wearing hose panty yeah yeah if you watch cold hard snake video or something nice and one of my favorites as a kid oh how funny that's so interesting but i mean i can still find that stuff kind of and that's also kind of like part that like you just kind of discovered this or found this and the people in the video have no idea that it's turning you on or whatever that's an aspect of it too like uh it kind of sucks if i ask my wife to wear for me but it's sexier if she just has to or wants to you know right but but she did start out do you guys ever go out or maybe in the earlier years because she likes to

strap it on and you like to be more girly like have you guys ever gone out Yeah, earlier. Yeah, with her strapping on and you having your undergarments on just so you could be out and about and, you know, have that kind of foreplay and that tension because you guys know what you have underneath and then go home and let loose. Yeah. We used to do that kind of stuff. Right. And where would you go? Like just out to dinner or?

Yeah, we went out to dinner and walked around a little downtown Bay area, sat on the bench, rubbed her feet. stuff uh i have done anything like sexual out in public though i mean i mean never had sex in public and all that right and you've never seen other people i mean you guys are happy together you have no secrets from her except that you were getting those girls to do your videos but you told her about it right and um i even had uh i had a friend of mine and that's something kind of weird i guess it is kind of a conscience thing um i've discovered uh one of my friends actually uh does webcam work and FaceTime or Skype work with other you know for money sexually you know doing stuff for men and I told her about like this audio fantasy thing I

had and she did a audio of it but then I couldn't really get turned down I felt really weird about it because I knew what she was yeah she has children and she's trying to feed and so I felt I kind of I listened to a couple times but I stopped listening to it but um yeah I can She posted it on our site where she sells this stuff. And some of the guys from this forum bought it on the Panyos Fetish Forum. And they were like, man, that's the best five dollars I ever spent. This will see more year mileage than a Sears catalog. Oh, my God.

They really like. So they're, and it's kind of weird getting, it's kind of like porn laundering or something like I'm turning these guys on. But my fantasy that I wrote that she, you know, through her, it was kind of strange. Yeah, but you could kind of look at it like, because you felt so guilty that she was. was, you were helping her to do something, but she was trying to feed her kids. So in a weird way, you are helping to feed her kids without really using her. I don't know. I mean, you're helping your friend out.

It's not a bad thing. Yeah, I'll tell my wife, Ashley. Does she know about the, the friend? Yeah, I did tell her about that clip thing. Right. She didn't. And that's another thing. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I kind of, I actually confessed to her about, like, You know, I really like the audio, like, if you would just tell me, you know, I'd probably come real fast. If you just told me, like, come in your pantios or, you know, just something along those kind of lines. But she did, she's like, oh, that's too silly. She doesn't, she's not comfortable with it. Not comfortable. Yeah, she's comfortable with her toy up my ass and all this other stuff. But she's like, I'm not going to say stuff to you.

Right. Did you ever see if she would record your scripts for you? Like, did you ever give her a script? and be like, can you record this for me? I kind of already assume it's a no. Really? Yeah. Even for your birthday, she wouldn't do it?

Maybe an expert. Yeah, ask for it. I mean, how hard is it going to be for her to read a script? You write it? Yeah, but wouldn't it turn you around more if your wife was doing it or no? I don't know. If I was fortunate or two, it would suck. It wouldn't be fun.

No, I mean, like the one that you wrote for your friend, the really hot one, or you could come up with another one, you're a creative person, and you come up with another one, and tell her that's, you know, to read it and tape it when you're not around for you, for your... I think she would be kind of, feel like I was trying to force her to do something she doesn't want to do. I've already asked her about, like, doing,

like, even just a foot jawed fetish thing or something with the pantos and my dick, and just know, telling people who we are and stuff. But you wanted her to put it up online. would be something that she would do just for you. I'm just saying because you're going to, like, you're going to cut out that part of the porn, and it's something that you really enjoy and really like.

You know, that I don't see why she wouldn't do a tape of something that you wrote for her for you, not for anybody else, just for you. And then if you had that, then... Yeah. I was even tempted to ask her, well, can we make videos anyways? and if you ever, if I ever put them online, can, you just, we can divorce because, you know,

I swear I won't do it. I just, I would, I'll have videos of you to jack off you when you're not around and that'd be lovely. Oh, I thought you meant like you could put them online when, after you divorce. So you're saying, can we do the videos now just in case we leave each other that you could no, no. I was saying, you can divorce me if you catch me putting them online. Oh, right.

I swear I'll just keep them on the hard drive for my own personal pleasure. Yeah, yeah. And what did she say? No way? No, I haven't asked her yet. I just remember asking about if we could do that for extra money on the side and that'd be fun to get paid to get off. Yeah, yeah, but she said no for that. But I think it's a different story if you ask her to do it just for you. And like I said, I don't see. I don't think she trusts me. I don't think I trust me. Well, because you just asked her. Oh, why? Because you think you might put it on? Yeah, I don't think I'd trust me or she doesn't. trust me that either I don't think you seem pretty honest though I mean maybe you do it and then tell her after but it's not like you keep any secrets from her you're pretty open about everything even you got those videos from those girls and paid for them and then told her I mean it's not like you keep any secrets from her and you probably are the type of person that if you did do it one day and posted it you'd wind up confessing so it's not like you live a secret from her what the being on the show Yeah That's okay Maybe someday Yeah

I mean she Listen if she heard anything That you were talking about On this show Like I mean it's not like she would hear You're saying something That she's never heard before Right

I mean Right It's not You haven't said anything I mean you have no secrets from her It's not like you have a secret life No Right

Right Well I mean I just don't wake her up and go hey honey i'm going to jerk off to porn now or something i don't i don't know yeah well that i mean you don't need to i'm sure she doesn't tell you either girls jerk off themselves too i mean maybe she's doing her own thing sometimes it's just you know yeah man i bought her i bought her one of those fancy 70 dollar clit-sucker and dildo things yeah she said it didn't do it for she didn't like it no if you want one i give it to you for free i don't know it was 70 bucks and it has a USB charger and all that's

She didn't like it. But she didn't like it. But she did try it? Yeah, she said she tried it. Mm-hmm. Well, you know, sometimes you have to give things like that, you know, more than one try. You know, it could have been the wrong mood. It could have been she wasn't so horny that time.

I mean, I don't know. I think, you know, you have to give those kind of things a couple tries before you say no. But maybe I don't know what she's into. I think everybody is very different the way that they're stimmerful. She actually, I remember her, when we were younger, like, she would actually, like, watching porn of dude on dude, like, just orgy stuff with everybody's by. Oh, so she, well, that's why she, and she likes the pegging thing and she likes to strap it on. Yeah. Now, that's probably one.

Well, that's, I mean, you guys each have your own thing that you're into. I mean, there's nothing wrong with that, but, you know, do you, does she ever ask you if you would like to be with guys or does she? ever want you to fill out fulfill that fantasy for her do you guys role play that no she had nests i think i might do an offer if she would do my stuff yeah that's why i was asking i was going to say like you could you know you could tell her that you'll mock up her fantasy if she mucks up yours she said some stuff before like uh when we were watching some of the old porn i liked on when we first got together and laughing and she's like like, well, if you ever want that domination stuff,

I can't do that, but I'll pay for somebody else to do it and I'll watch or something. So I don't know if we'll ever go down that far. Yeah, she's a little, you know, for her to say that, why not? Yeah, she's pretty open and an understanding with a lot of things. Yeah, and she has her own things that she's into.

I mean, like I said, you guys seem pretty open and honest with each other that. I think it's not like she's shut, you down and I feel like if you maybe offer her up something or propose a certain thing a different way I mean saying hey will you live out this fantasies and videotape it so I could let other people watch it you know there's a lot of people that wouldn't be into that but if you say hey can you you mock up this fantasy and we'll tape it or can you read this scenario and do this hot thing for me on videotape just for my pleasure, you know, so I don't have to pay these girls. Why not?

I think there's just that double world of, you know, I don't think I would be turned on by her saying it just because I know that it'd be like her forcing herself to or something. Oh, really? Just like your friend, when your friend did it for you. It ruined it for you? Yeah. Yeah, she did it for you. And, uh, yeah, I bet she sold it to some other guy. I haven't even listened to that in a while. the one you said tons of guys went and bought it isn't that what you yeah yeah i'm sure if you told people right now how to get it they'd like it i mean there's all these pantyhose guys are going to be listening to this episode yeah tell them to go on the it's the pantyhose experience dot com is the website is that her website or it's just the website that's the uh that's a that's a forum that's been around since early 2000s by uh like a famous photographer or semi-famous photographer that does

like Wolford ads and things. And it's a forum for fetishists. Oh, okay. And so where could they find that $5? It'd be in the video, tell them the video section. Look for erotic audio. Look for what? Oh, it's on the women section,

women video section is where it's at. They don't have an audio section. Oh, okay. The women's video. Or they could do it. If they join the site, they can just ask on the main chat page and somebody would tell them. Right.

But is she the only one on there selling those fantasies? No, no. There's all sorts of, there's websites that post pictures every day. The guys go in the forum, they get to check those out. We get to share, like, different links of free videos or things. It's kind of like a porn club. Right, right, right. Friends.

And there's even, the chat thing's really funny. You can see how people get. are kind of too far and weird. There's one guy that was doing a poll of, have you ever ejaculated in a woman? And if so, was it your wife? Was it your girlfriend? Was it a hooker?

He had like this poll where you pick a dot and it makes a graph. And I posted on there, are you doing a school science fair project or something? I don't know. I don't know. I guess he was just getting off on his poll. Somebody else said something like, man, this quarantine's really got you desperate or something.

Listen, people put those polls on Facebook. People are into polls. I mean, he might just be like, into stats. Yeah, so people want stuff like that, people that are into fantasy, panties, like, fantasies, audio, right, spoken. They have them on that website. And what is the website again?

Panicose. Experience.com. Experience. Probably a lot of people know about it, right? Is that what you're saying? They probably know it about. People that are into Pantios know that place. Well, they should go to that.

We're going to wrap it up. I feel like, you know, we were all over the place on this. But for now, thanks for calling in and sharing your story. Okay. All right. Thanks, Thorne. Thanks for calling in. Thank you, Kathy.

Bye. You too. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in paperback and evening, book, but you can pre-order the audio book. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of

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