Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 391 - Vicky and her Boyfriend Want to Cuckold but He Can't Pull the Trigger

Episode Date: May 24, 2021

Hypersexual Vicky and her boyfriend want to cuckold but he can't pull the trigger and she's frustrated. When did they decide to try cuckolding? How and why does he chicken out? What can she do to get him to try it with her? Tune in for all the details which include how he's cuckolded in the past and how he felt about it, how horny she is for the scenario and how frustrated she is that he keeps backing out, how he turned her into a dom when she use to be a sub, the time they went to a swing club and had sex in front of everyone, the time she caught him texting with a girl they were suppose to have a threesome with and how he explained himself, all the swinging she's done in the past, her open relationship with her ex, her lesbian relationship, the threesomes she's had with women, her intense curiosity and openness about sex and all the sex classes she's taken and a whole lot more. To see anonymous pics of Vicky + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Don't forget if you want to, okay, so let's get to Vicky. Hypersexual Vicky. Vicky is super horny. She always has been, this girl had threesome starting when she was really young. We talk about her history.

We talk a lot about what's going on now, right? I mean, she wrote in because she has a serious problem. Like she's got this guy, her boyfriend, is very big into the whole cuckolding thing. He actually did it with a past partner, but he had like, He's very conflicted about it. And he's very into it in that.

They're always like dirty talking about it. And she wants to do it and they get really close and they set up these meetings with the couples. And then he just can't pull the trigger. And she doesn't understand because Vicky is somebody that does what the fuck she wants. Okay. Like I said, she has had threesome since she's super young. We talk about that. She has been to swing clubs.

She takes classes in sex that you've never even heard about. That's how curious and open-minded she is. The classes she's taken, one called Stickies is super interesting. I never heard about it, but she explains about it. She has had open relationships in the past. She had a husband. I think she called herself the pussy funnel. I don't know.

She said like guys called her that because she would just like bring girls home for guys. Like she's like, she's a wrangler, right? She just, like I said, she knows what she wants. She goes after it. She fucking does it. And she's very perplexed because she's dating a guy who's not of the same mindset, right? He wants her to fuck other guys. She wants to fuck other guys.

But when push comes to shove, he's too afraid to cross over the line. So she's looking for advice. So go to YouTube, give her some advice. We end this conversation. It gets a little frustrating towards the end because there really is no solution for Vicky that I could give her, but maybe you guys could help her. So listen through. Give her your two cents.

Tell her what you think she should do to get her guy to cross over. I mean, they've done other things. They've been to a swing club. They've fucked in front of other people. I mean, it's not like they haven't done anything. But he's younger than her. and he's less experienced. She's super experienced.

So you hear that backstory. You hear about his problem. There's also like a little cheating thing that she thinks he might be cheating on her and she can't really trust him. So we get into that too. If you want to see a picture of her, did I tell you that already?

She sent me in a picture. You could get a picture on Patreon. Patreon.com slash strictly anonymous podcast. I'm going to be right back on with Vicki. Hey, Vicki. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you today? I'm good.

How are you? I'm good. So listen, you sent me in a love. long-winded email about what we're going to talk about, and I didn't read it, because I prefer not to really know that much. I know that there's cuckling fantasies going on. I know that your boyfriend talks really dirty, and, you know, that's like the overview. Why don't you just get into the details? Okay. So he is very, like, explicit in bed, and then it's like very much into, like, he, like, he went from me in the beginning i thought he wasn't going to work because he was a total

prude in my opinion at first and i didn't know if that was going to work for me because i'm not and it has just evolved into the more after two years now it's like he everything in bed seems to fall under like it always ends up being fantasies of like other men there and um not usually other women but other men there and really a big lately it's been like wanting to like it's like he likes the thought of another man having me before he gets me and like whether he talks about that in bed or it's like the idea of it happening and then he comes home to it but then like any kind of discussion of any kind of like that outside of sex is like impossible like it's like he doesn't not it does he refuses to like address it at all

What do you mean? So when you're not fooling around and you're all done, like, and you're just having breakfast, you're like, hey, babe, what about this whole cuckolding thing? I mean, is that what happens? Exactly. That's pretty much exactly what happens. I'm very open to talking about that kind of stuff. I've always been very more comfortable talking about sex with anyone than most people, which I get is a little overbearing for some people, maybe.

But, yeah, like, I will literally bring up to, like, we. that's another thing. We're on Swinger's sites and we are on thirder sites where you're like looking for other people to add to the bedroom. Yet when it gets to the point that there are people that we have talked to and it comes to meeting, it's like

he literally had told a couple that we were getting ready to go meet that night. All of a sudden he told them that he were just looking for friendship. And I'm like, that's not where you look for friendship is on Swinger's sites. That's not what this is.

Like, I don't, it's very confusing. Well, he must be, well, it's probably confusing to him. He's confused, you know, so he probably really is into it. It's a big fantasy of his. But when push comes to shove, he gets freaked out. And maybe he's afraid of crossing that line. I mean, have you had that discussion with him about, you know, instead of just like going to the place where you're talking about him actually doing it?

Have you ever asked him how he feels about actually doing it in real life? Yes. And what does he say? I've tried that numerous times. And what's confusing to me is that he finally at one point kind of broke down and explained to me that one of his past relationships, his girlfriend really screwed with his head because she would make him watch her have sex with other men. But the thing is that all of these things that he said that she did to screw with his head are literally I mean, I don't blame her for doing what she did because that's what he acts like he wants.

It's like, but it could also be that she did it and somehow, even though he really hated it, he got turned on and that's a very confusing thing to experience. Yeah. That I mean, that I can grasp that. But at the same time,

it's very confusing to me because it's, and my, just from here, hearing that and trying to take it all in, it's confusing to me that if it was so damaging and it was so hurtful, like, why is that what you talk about? That's like, it's every time we have sex and we have sex almost daily. Okay, wait, wait, wait, let me ask you. Yeah, let me ask you a quick question. You ask him straight up. How did you guys, how did you wind up with her fucking other guys in front of you? Like, have you ever asked him whose idea that was? No. Why not? No, I didn't. Oh, I don't

no way. I guess I just... Well, because that would solve the... I mean, because there's a big question mark, right? Because like here he is now. That's all he talks about with you, right? And it could be one of two things. Either, you know, he did that with her and because he wanted it, but then when he saw it happen, it kind of bothered him, but he still turned on by it. And that's why he brings it up with you. That's a very possible, you know, scenario. Or it's the other scenario is he didn't want to do it. She was into it. He was horrified by it, but he also was

turned on by it. And that confuses him. And now he's kind of wired that way. And that's why he's bringing it up with you. They're kind of similar. But those are two situations that could be happening. And I think it's important to know which one is happening with him. Yeah, that's a good point. The thing is that I've asked him before is like, well, is she the reason that you are into that and he said that he's been into it before her. Oh, okay. It's just, I don't, yeah, I don't know that that means that that was initiated. No, so it means that this is the case, okay?

Because I think that it could happen a lot of the times. It's not that uncommon where somebody has a fantasy that they're really into. And then they cross the line and live out that fantasy. And, you know, they have feelings that they didn't anticipate. And jealousy could be one of them, you know. It doesn't mean, though, that he wasn't turned on to, but he might have. not liked it, but also that jealousy may be a part of the thing that he's into, but he might not, he might be afraid to introduce that in your guy's relationship because it just adds a whole other

layer, right? Yeah. Right? But I think that that happens a lot of the times. I mean, I have a lot of swingers gone wrong stories on my podcast. I used to have them more. Nowadays I have more successful couples on calling, but there's a ton of people out there that the girl's like, yeah, let's have a threesome.

Like, I want to be with a girl. And then she does it. And then her guy starts to fuck that girl. or she starts and she's not into it. Like, you know, things can happen and you can feel a different way.

And sometimes, you know, fantasies are better as fantasies instead of reality. So he might be tiptoeing around it or he obviously is tiptoeing around it because he did it before, right? He had her fuck other people and he didn't like it.

He didn't like it, but he liked it. What? Oh, that's what's kind of confusing to me is the end various report about that kind of stuff. And like I've had numerous relationships.

I've had very, like long relationships where I was always very open to those kind of things and that was a regular thing in our household to where it was like there was an extra girl added like twice a month in our house and then you find out that they're cheating on you and so I understand that the well let's talk about that let's talk about that real quick because you have a history you have an interesting history my guys are always looking to hear from women that are really listen you're more open-minded than your guy or you're more balzy right you're ready to go have a threesome because you have a and you are more sexually experienced and open-minded and you crossed lines and lived out your fantasy.

So let's talk about that too and then we'll get back to your guy. Okay. So in the, like, how old are you now? I'm 36. So you're 36. Are you, have you ever been married? Yes. Okay.

So did it, so when did like this sexual, the sexual escapades start? You know, what's your own history? My first threesome was like I was 19. Okay. And then from there, it was kind of. I mean, that's kind of a regular thing for me. I was always very more hyper sexually active. Yeah.

And okay with that. Yeah. All of them, yeah. Yeah. But let me ask you this. Wait, I got to cut you up because you're hyper talking too. And I want to get the details. And because I know my listeners want to hear the details.

That 19-year-old girl that had the threesome, how did it happen? Was it like a drunken, fueled situation that just happened? Was it with someone you knew? Was it a one-night stand? Was it a threesome with like your boyfriend and another girl? Who was it? No, I was in the Marine Corps and it was a friend. No, it wasn't like a drunken thing.

It was just more like I knew I was turned on by women. It's like you said before, it's something you think you want and you try it. It's like, you know, I was totally into girls because you're young and you're like, oh, lesbian porn. And then you're like, oh, I totally want to be the girl. And then I was. And then I've been with numerous women, but it's like after time, yeah, you get. feelings and you figure out what you like and you don't like and it's like at this point i know like i love vagina but i don't like it a la carte like i need a side of dick with it as well it's fun right i need i need

it i need it goes okay well that 19 year old situation right was that with a guy too or was it just with the girl no yeah that was with um my husband in the ring court and then she was actually i still speak with her um we were friends for a long time it's very rare that i talk to her because we live states away from each other, but that was kind of a consistent thing for a while. So your husband, you're with your husband, you're like, and you guys are super young and you're like, I want to like full around. So you asked your friend? Yeah, just that girlfriend was gin. And then later, after we split up, I was with someone for years that we regularly had, you know, extra in the bedroom. And that's when I kind of started, like I joined like an alternative lifestyle club. And then like

another, well, two of them, and it took a lot of classes. Just, like, started with, like, just a BDSM class. And then it just was, like, random classes. I would go every Tuesday and go to, like, different, I don't know, just that I like to watch weird shit, I guess. Like, I don't know. You got to explain. I've never heard about classes.

Where are these classes? And what do you see? And are people having sex in them? And, like, what are you learning? Oh, my God. Oh, there's a lot of classes. Yeah, tell me. For example, there was one called Stickies.

And I did, I'm like, what the hell are stickies? So I show up and it's in an adhesives class where they had like a woman used as like the model person and they taught you how to glue. Like I watched her vagina and her mouth get glue shut. And then like they literally took like they duct tape and like they just showed you different kinds of adhesives to use in sex, which is not anything that like I never, I don't understand the point of or why you'd want your vagina glued shut. I get the whole like refusal denial. But yeah. But I mean, if it's going to happen,

I want to kind of see it because I would like to see everything before I die. But random, you know, I just am interested in like human sexuality. Even if it doesn't turn me on, I, it's just interesting. Yeah,

you're curious about it. So you took the, where do they have these classes? Um, that was just, um, that was like a, it's like a members club and that was in Colorado.

Okay. Both of them. And then other, like BDSM classes where they did. like there was a couple who came in into like flogging classes and they would pretty much teach you like you know even if you're not into it you now you know what kind of tape to use and what not to use what hurts skin and like what's safe you know if you're going to bring stuff in the bedroom it gives you a you know a safe way to do it without hurting your partner which is awesome you know any kind

of information that's positive sex positive is good for you um but that's why i don't know i feel like i'm a little bit more open-minded to things to where even if it doesn't turn me on like i'm willing to like check it out and if you know well then why aren't you open mind so then why aren't you open mind to be the dom that your guy wants you and that's what i totally have fallen into that role now it's now it's comfortable for me and i can't imagine we discussed this recently it's like i can't even imagine him trying to time me up or anything anymore because it's just it's been two years of me switching roles because like that's what he wanted and it was very uncomfortable and hard at first but like um it was just like out of place i just felt very awkward but you know now you like it

adapting over now yeah adapting overcome and yeah i like it now because now i after a while you get more comfortable in that and then it's still the same thing to me is like having him turned on and aroused by me it's just in a different way i guess i've learned um him being satisfied it's like what makes me happy so it's a hurt of all in those roles but it's so it's so it's a hurt of all in those roles but It's just, it's kind of confusing when you're not really sure what it is the hell that they want. Well, you know what he wants. He's just, you want, I mean, let me ask you this. In all those times in your past, when you were having all these threesomes and doing all this stuff with other people before you met this guy.

Did you ever have threesomes with another guy or was it always with a woman? Oh, no, yeah, I was always with a woman because men are. But, I mean, that's a very, very rarity that a man is actually going to, like, let someone else play with their toys. Like, they want to play with all the toys. But nobody's going to play with their toys. They're like three-year-olds with that. Yeah.

And to me, to find out that he was even like, that is a not a complete ego buster was very much, it was awesome to me to just meet. Not even if we ever do it. It's just the mindset of not being so selfish and being having the ability to be like, hey, just because it's another. person there is, um, doesn't make me feel like less of a person, I guess. It's like caring about what your partner is turned on by, but at the same time, it's like, is that just, but is that really how you feel? And I get it. I understand that relationships, I don't care who you are and I understand that people who swing and people who are in open relationships, there's always going to be sometimes the matter of jealousy and territorialness. That's just human nature. I get that. Whether

people can work through it and be okay with it. or not is, you know, relationship to relationship, but it's, it almost feels like it sometimes it's like dangling this in front of me and like constantly putting in my head as a turn on. And then like just I don't know like how I'm supposed to like separate what you want from like what he wants like what he actually wants. I don't know. I mean, I think he's been very clear with you. He likes to fantasize about it.

he's on the verge of wanting to do it in real life, but he's afraid because when he did do it in real life, he had very mixed emotions about it. I mean, I think that's all very clear. So what I want to... But at the same time, it's totally okay to bring... Like if I were to bring a woman home, it wouldn't even make a question.

You know, that's what bothers me. Well, listen, that's like pettiness, okay? I mean, what? Oh, of course. I mean, but you don't care. Would you care if he fucked another girl? Oh, no. I would be totally fine with watching me.

It doesn't matter if that's what he's okay with, because you're okay with it, too. We're talking about what he's not okay. Like, I hate that tit for tat shit. That's like petty. No, no, no. It's fine for me to fuck another girl, but God forbid. I mean, he's not holding out because he's an asshole, and he's not pushing you to go have sex with another girl. It's not like he's saying, oh, I want you to do that, but I'm not going to let you.

Yeah. Right? I mean, it's not that. Yeah. That's like, no, it's not at all any kind of petty, like, duh. No, that is very non-existent with him. Right, but why did you just bring it up? That's a little petty of you.

Well, because I've had like the girl that we were having threesomes with in the past be the one that he was sleeping with a year later and didn't tell me. And to me, it's still, to me there's that point of like women and men, it doesn't matter who they are. If they're, I feel like if you welcome someone into that situation, like you're, you have to be very, I don't know, sometimes I feel like women in that regard are a little bit more shesty and it's it's more of a emotional they get a little more emotionally attached than like men who are more like physically like bang it out and leave yeah but what you don't understand is there's still in

the scenario that you want your girlfriend your guy your guy to swallow there's still a woman involved okay it's not a woman you don't know but it's you're and so maybe he has the same fear you do there's a woman involved she could fucking cop feelings and i'm afraid to lose her i mean it's the same thing. Look at what you've gone in the past. I feel like I have to say and point out something that's very obvious to me that may not be obvious to you. No, totally. That's why I like, I'm, like, you have a good fucking hat on your shoulders. You know, I'm just, I'm just going to put the mirror in front of you. That's it. And, you know, that you feel exactly the way he does about threesomes. You know, you have, you've had them, and you realize that they could bring about problems.

He's had them. He realizes it brings on problems. For him, it was he didn't like it. I mean, that's very honest of him. Like that's, and that happens, like I said, all the time. It can be very conflicting, right, because there's one part of you that likes it, but another part of him when it was the real deal, he didn't. For you, you've had threesomes. And then, you know, shit has happened where you weren't into it. So you're very similar in how you guys feel. And listen, I don't think across the board that it's always going to be human nature that people are going to get mad about situations like that. I have plenty of people on here who actually love for their partners to be with other people and they don't know that jealousy and stuff. That's how I always was. I didn't

have a problem with and I still like I would totally be fine with bringing someone in. I think the main thing is like my my whole thing with that is you could add a whole fucking football team I really don't care. The thing is is that you have to I'm really adamant about this is that like it's a a a and b have to be happy like if there's any part of like see that you bring in that is upsetting to a and be at all like you need to fucking get rid of that like it needs to be it's always to enhance your own relationship that's what you're trying to do is like explore sexual situations together um so no stop listen let me ask you this question okay are you because he's like always bringing this up and everything are you like

super horny for this scenario to happen. Totally. Right. Yeah. Totally. And it's so cute. That's what I mean, but it's like a carrot dangled in front of your base and like constantly reminded of it. And then you're like, well, fuck.

I don't know. Like, yes. That yup. Of course that thoughts in my head a lot. Like I've never really been one to like banishize so much specifically about that until it's been like two years and like every time we have sex. And I'm like, well, I like I really would like to go to like us to. together, there's nothing that turns me on about, like, I'm, I love being, I love sex. I've literally

been told by most exes that I have a problem. Like, they think that I have a problem. And I think just mainly they don't, they get lazy about their sex life. Right. But, I want to be able, like, I, I, I'm not necessarily okay with just living in normal, like, just having your fantasies in bed together. And that's, like, all you do. Like, I'm, right. I'd like to, I'd like to, I'd like to, I want us to be able to do weird shit together because when you have your person, like your person is supposed to be the person that you can do all the fuck weird shit with. Does he know about his. Does he know, right, okay.

Does he know about your history? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what's kind of like, that's what's very confusing is it seems like it's okay. And like, but when I actually start trying to engage him to actually speak about it in not in the bedroom, like I feel like it's just kind of like lately it's gotten a little bit better, but it's still, it's like he clams up

and I don't know how to, it's very hard for me because I, like, I owned a sex shop and I've been, like, a member of two, like, alternative lifestyle clubs and I love human sexuality. It's the one fucking thing we can all do and enjoy. And if you're not doing it, you want to do it. You shouldn't, there's no reason to not like sex.

Right. And you're super open with him. Yeah. You're down for a lot of things. You're very curious. He's gotten you into this fantasy. and you're like ready to fucking go. And all of a sudden, he's like, it's super confusing because all of a sudden he's like,

no thanks. And then he says, okay, let's do it. And then you get to the finish line and he's like, uh-uh, he's not crossing it. Like, and how many times has it happened? Yeah. It's not out of meanness. It's not out of, I know it's not out. He's not trying to be a dick.

And I understand people like emotions and shit happens. Yeah. You change your mind. And that's part of being a couple also is like understanding that like if I don't care if they're in the middle of banging a bunch of people. If you look over and see your partner is not okay with something, the shit needs to stop. Hey, let me ask you this.

Did you ever think of, like, forcing him to do it since he loves the whole female Don thing? I don't. Uh-huh. That's what I'm, I'm like, do I do that? I don't know. You know?

That's where the whole, I'm trying to speak about it is like, trying to even get anything like, like, is that something you want? Is that why the, you know, the X did that? Because there's a part of me, and we've discussed this, and told him, I was like, You know, it seems as if, like, maybe she did that because that's what she thought you wanted because that's literally what you're asking, like, for in bed. So it's just very, it's very, like, it's like you, I love you and I want you to be happy. And I want to be able to, like, be open about this stuff.

But it's very hard to when, like, when I actually need, like, to really just sit down and talk about it. It shouldn't be weird. Like, I mean, like, seriously, if you can, like, fucking watch ice, drive. my vagina on your face. Like, we should be able to talk about, like, sex. Like, it's not a big deal. Yeah, and he's talking about it while you guys are fooling around, right? When he gets horny and you guys are in the bedroom and he's in that state, right?

Which I can, I believe is like an altered state of being, right? Yeah, totally. He could totally talk it up, right? He's got the game. He's got game. And then when it's over, he has no game. I don't know so much about that. It took him probably like almost six months or year to even talk during sex, which is very odd to me.

Okay, but he's there now. Yeah. He's there now. But it's like more like, it's like I have to drag it out of him almost sometimes. The cuckle talk? Not so much that. That like pretty much all, it didn't even really,

wasn't even started like talking about that. It was like mainly just like adding toys. And then I'm realizing like, okay, so you like lots of toys. And I don't know. Maybe it's because we have a big age difference. I don't know. What's his age? just turned 30. He just turned 30 this year.

Oh, okay. So he's younger than you. You're way more experienced than him. Right? Yeah. I mean, he does like the Dom sub thing. He sees himself as a sub. So that's probably why he got himself an older, very experienced woman, right? He looks up to you.

Yeah, and he's definitely into older women. And that's the thing is when we discuss when I bring up, um, like Scarlet Ranch and places where you go where it's like literally people just fucking are, um, downstairs or like outside just people banged to watch. He sit there and have your drink and meet a couple and talk while you watch all these people have sex.

And those kind of things are like something he wants to go do with me, but it's not, this is what, how do I explain it? It's like he's scared to talk about it, but the first time I took him to like this other place in Colorado that's like a hotel where like it's pretty much a Swinger's Hotel. And there's like an open pool where you can be naked and just bang everywhere you want. And all the rooms were like sexually orientated. Like I was worried about even bringing it up to him to like maybe go see a place. And because I had not been there before.

I'd been to the other club that I used to go to regularly. But this one I'd never been to and I'd always wanted to. So I brought it up to him just scared that he was going to be like, Jesus, you're a whore. And I mean before, it wasn't even five minutes into walking into the pool area. that he's already like banging me in front of people and I'm like that was confusing to me too because before that we had discussed like just that month of like maybe doing some same room couples play where you don't swap or whatever

but like you're you know you have another couple that you're like watching or you know same room just stay your own couple play just like sex in front of other people and at that point he wasn't even sure that he was okay with that and then I bring him to this place And it's like within five minutes, you're banging me. When there's like people four feet from us. Yeah, I don't know why you're so confused by all of this like stuff. It just seems like pretty like normal. Like I could see that that being the case because you like brought him there and then he got

fucking horny and then he did it. But I think that maybe, I mean, you use the word overthinks. I mean, I think you overthink things too, but you use the word oh yeah. Things about him. Like he just overthinks, you know, um, about stuff. So maybe that's what happens in the other scenarios, but when you brought him to that place, like the fact that it was going to be lots of different people, it wasn't as intimate as, oh, you're just meeting a person one-on-one sitting across the table or in a hotel room with another couple. Like, I feel like that would be a more, that situation might weird out a lot more people than going to a big party where there's tons of people. And maybe that made him feel more safe.

And he thought, okay, I could just go there and fucking watch. but then he went and his dick was so hard that he's like, I got a fucker. Do you know what I mean? That makes total sense. I don't think that that's confusing. Yeah, I guess maybe I just overthinking at all. You're the overthinker. Oh God, no, I fucking know this.

Like that is not something I will deny. Listen, that's why you're, listen, it's always there, all these things that make us up, I always feel like people are concoctions, right? And, you know, a lot of the things that are a part of your concoction are positives, but sometimes they could be negative too at the same time. I mean, I think the reason why you're so open-minded and curious and into human sexuality is for the same part of that brain. You know what I mean? Because you're an overthinker.

Because you like to know. Because, you know, so it's also a good thing in you, right? Yeah, it can be. Everything can be a positive or negative depending upon how you use it, I suppose. Yeah. And I just think that your boyfriend might have those same things. I think, you know, he's a little bit behind you and you need to hold his hand. more, right?

But I think if you put the context of it, like if you just keep putting on him that it's pushing him, I don't know, making him so confusing. Like you make it, you're like labeling him like, oh, he's so confusing, and he's so confusing. And I don't think it's that confusing. I think, though, that you have to give him a little bit more of a push

and give him more time. How many times have you set up situations with other couples that he's backed out? Um, it's just been twice. But that's the thing too. It's like I found out that like he was talking to another girl on Snapchat and like had like made plans for us to all hang out and I didn't even know about it. And that kind of set me off to where I'm like, this is like something that is very clear from

the beginning that this is about us. And it's very, if you don't open communicate things, it makes me feel like it's. Oh my gosh. You're going off to doing it by yourself. Okay. This is another layer. There's a lot going on here. Yeah.

And I still have to get to. all these other swingers clubs that you used to go to because you brought that up. But wait a second. So, okay, have you guys ever had a three-sup with another girl? No,

no. Has he asked you to do that? Well, it's not, no, not really. I mean, we discussed that we would,

I know that he would, pretty much he's made it very clear that, like, he doesn't care if I were to bring another girl home. It's like, it's like most dudes, there's another vagina. Hooray.

Okay. But like, I'm very much, of the attitude that like I like you don't do anything like in regards to adding adding people or meeting people or talking to people without it being completely disclosed yeah the whole thing for sure um and so that's just a little hard for me to find out like that there was it was very confusing and that added and what did he say um just that he hadn't been talking for her very long on there and that but what was he saying to her did you read the messages no because it was

And it, like, I... Oh, I don't know about that It deleted. Yeah. So that was even worse that I'm like, what the fuck? Was she like a regular person? Was she a hooker? Like, what was she? No, I mean, she's just a girl that he met.

I have no idea. Like, he had to have met her on, like, some kind of... I think it was a site, like, one of the Swinger sites to where, like, you meet a, you know, like, other couples or like single females or whatever, the unicorns or whatnot. But that's kind of the... That's what makes it hard for me. He's like, oh, it's like, if it's going to be done, it needs to be done together. And if you can't even talk about it and then, but you can go off and like meet another girl and then try and inform me of it later.

I don't. Well, that's like, that's a whole different separate issue. Yeah. That's like a trust issue. Like maybe he wasn't even trying to set something up with you. Maybe he was just going to fuck her on the side. I don't know. Is he a monogamous guy?

Do you know his history? Like, could he be a cheater? I don't know. I think every man can be a cheater. I don't fucking know. I don't... That's a... I thought that he was very much

not that kind of person until, like, recently and I'm just worried about it because I'm gone every other weekend from Thursday to Sunday or until Monday morning, pretty much, like, 500 miles away.

Yeah. Because of relocating and dealing with custody. But the thing is, it's like on his birthday. Like, he told me that he was... Well, he didn't tell me anything. He just didn't really talk to me that weekend. and the morning

pretty much I just found out that he I talked to him the night before for a few minutes and I thought he was at home he didn't mention anything about leaving town and then I found out the next day I was talking to him and it just didn't sound right and he was in his truck and I was like you weren't you didn't stay at our house house last night kind of just throwing it out there and I didn't think it was like

I wouldn't have thought he was completely not anywhere near where he was supposed to be but he told me he stayed at his parents' house and that didn't sound right. And so I just texted his mom and said, is Austin there? Did he go there for his birthday? Because I haven't been able to get a hold of him. Because I hadn't been able to get a hold of him that morning until like New.

And she said that like he had showed up that morning. And just to find out that like you lied to say your parents' house on a night where you. Where was he? Did you ever confront him and say, hey, listen, I had talked to your mom and you weren't there. So where the fuck were you? Yeah, pretty much. And at that point he said that he stayed at his friend's house.

And so that just didn't seem right to me either. And it just, I don't know, just, I have a very, I don't want to even believe it. And I've had, like, the last four relationships, like, blow up in my face because they all cheated on me. I don't understand it because it's not for lack of sex. And I was just really trying to make myself be calm about it and understand that it's probably me just worrying and how. having issues with my own past and not try not to put that on him but it's little things like that when you lie and say you were somewhere and you weren't and then he says he's at his friends and why did he don't tell you he was at his friends yeah it doesn't smell right that's what i said like

i don't give a shit where you say like the fact that you lie to me is what i care about i don't fucking care if you sleep on a fucking outside in somebody's yard i don't care i just tell me the truth it's about honesty yeah well that and then he said that was like to get at me for like the fact that like when I go to Colorado I don't call him sometimes and it just doesn't seem to me you don't treat teach somebody to stay in touch by like lying to them about where you stay at night that doesn't make sense so I don't know I'm just I can't even like grasp on that one right now because there's no how long ago is that that was just a maybe two months in February yeah okay and then and the girl the seeing

him with a Snapchat girl? When was that? Oh, that was some girl around here when we were like supposed to be like together looking on sites for stuff and kind of did it off on his own. And I called his friend and I know that his friend could lie to me. I knew that it was like his buddies don't fuck. They stick up for each other. Whatever.

That's fine. But I don't. I really don't think that was it. I just, but I feel like there's just some kind of disconnect here where I just would like everything to be flat on the table. You want to go bang out there girls? Like that's cool. but we're doing it together.

Like I don't, you can't go off and do it by yourself. You want to bang everybody. You can bang everybody. You fucking want. But I just want to have like some kind of, um, just fucking honesty. Just be fucking,

I don't fucking care who you want to bang. I don't care what you do. He might think it's too good to be real about it. Yeah, but he might think it's too good to be true as far as, oh, you really want him to fuck other girl. Like he might really want you to bring another girl into the situation.

But you're not down for that. Have you said to him? No, I totally am okay with. that. I will go, like my ex used to call me a pussy funnel. Like that's, like, he literally, I would pretty much bring him women. And it's, that's not, so have you, why have you done that with this guy? I just, well, we moved to this place and I don't really know anybody yet. I've definitely tried. And it's really hard when you're like, not in your 20s to, like, meet people anymore. Uh-huh. And as I've gotten older, I find it a lot, I'm more appealing to, I don't fucking like,

to just go out and find girls who are, I found that with women, I've had enough sex and threesomes to realize that most girls are, they think it's like, they're really into it and boo, yeah,

I just want to try this out. And I'm tired of being their fucking experiment. Right. I know I like pussy. And I know I like having sex and I know I'm into this. But I don't like feel like you like being enjoyed by me enjoying you and being turned on because it's something fun,

a boy to look at. Like, if you're going to just be lazy and lay there and, like, I'm going to eat your pussy and, like, enjoy, like, watching my significant other bang you, but, like, you don't really want much to do with, like, the girl once you realize, I'm not really, like, I'm really not into, like, girls. Like, I just like the idea of this until it happens. I'm not into that. Right.

I got it. So as you get older, most people, like, it's easier to find it. I feel like it would be easier to find a couple. Yes. And it's safer because when you have, for it, maybe I'm wrong. But this is my, I guess, because I've never had a couple with another couple actually swap or do anything like that. I've had same room play, but like not swapping because boys don't like to share. But to me, it feels like as you get older, you realize that like I don't have to worry about this being a situation because now you have two people here who are obviously comfortable enough to discuss like sexual exploits with their partner and do them together, you know, mutually and with consent that I don't have to worry about.

you know, hooked me over and banging my husband without, you know, there's more people here, which you could still have to worry about, but I feel like it would be less of a, it just feels more comfortable to me and more easier to get,

I guess, but it's also safer, for sure, that you're not going to have to worry about the girl, you know, if you get that unicorn, that's single, and then you bring in your guy that something could happen. And a lot of people feel that way,

and that's why a lot of people just only swap with couples. You know, and I also believe that a lot of times most people call in and they talk about how finding the couples is a lot easier than finding that one unicorn girl. But it's funny. I just talked to Dr. Guy who's been on my show a lot. I just taped an episode with him. He's going to be on again. And him and his girlfriend are totally fuck other people all the time, right? And they've been just fucking like mad through COVID. And they always have the unicorn. They rarely do the couples. They have more problems with the couples than doing the unicorns. But,

and I was like, that's interesting because most people on my show say it's the opposite. It's hard to find that single girl. But the reason why I think they find it all the time is because they are party animals, right? Like they are at the fucking club. Okay, we live in New York City and when they're not in New York City, they're in every other place in the world that is like party central, right? And so that's what's going down, you know? So I don't know if you guys go out, you know, still.

No, the whole COVID crap. Like, I would love to go out more. And that's what the, I totally grasp that kind of concept because it was very easy for, I think it depends on your couple too. if you guys are good together and you fucking like watching each other fuck and like as a woman you're totally okay with like putting a strap on and banging this chick

or like watching like I used to literally like I would like come and I'd be like well I'm just gonna do like get a drink or make a meal make a sandwich like it doesn't bother me like you're still fucking and having sex because I don't that's why we're here I can't separate the um there's

there's sex to fucking feel good and have your carnal urges like satisfied and just do fucking nasty stuff together and like be able to high five afterwards and be like yeah it's fucking dirty and I love it and then there's times of sex that's like you you your affection and love and that doesn't make either one wrong it's just they're two separate entities and some I feel like um maybe I have too easy at a time of separating those no you're like I've been no I think listen I think it's great the way that you are you're a lot of guys fantasy girl but I do think you know

And listen, I have a lot of guys on my show that would be totally down with everything that you're talking about and cool with it and everything. But there are, you know, a lot of guys don't know what to do with that. They almost, I think you're your guy because he's super young, right? And he's not as experienced as you. And I think the average regular person who's just kind of, I would say, quote unquote, normal would just not be able to, A, grasp the fact that you really believe that. and B, grasp it for themselves, you know? I mean, it takes a certain kind of person.

And what I always tell people that I have found through doing my show for seven years and talking to a lot of people who have tried to swing and be with other people. And I find that the best kind of guy to do all that kind of stuff with, what I find is always, it works mostly with the guy that it's not, like he was the opposite of the type that you would think would be into it. It's not the guy that wants to fuck a million people. It's the really monogamous guy and their wife was really into it. There are guys out there like that and it's completely safe.

And like you need a guy like that because you're being wasted with anybody else. Good man. Finding that's the problem there is like like that's what I see in him and that's why he was, you literally just said it. But I'm trying to like spit out. It's the fact that I want somebody that like is a fucking nice person. and a decent human being that actually loves me. Yeah.

And still respects me. Right, but you just have this. It has enough respect for a relationship. Yeah. To actually be that person to be like honest about every, like honest about it. And like not to be. And it's cool with it. And it only works with that kind of guy.

And that, it's like a breed, right? I always feel like different kinds of guys are like breeds of dogs, right? That breed exists. And the best kind of breed for you is that kind of guy. Like I said, I've had them on my show. They're nice guys. They're guys that could care less about having another woman in bed, but they like to see their guy.

Yeah. That's exactly what I said. I could care less. Like, I don't really care if there's a woman in the bed. But then why was he texting that girl? What did he say? Well, he said that like, well, he put, I joked a lot, like, as he leaves the house sometimes. And this is not like a discussion.

This is just like as he's walking out of the door. It's like, do you anything from town? I'm like, oh, bring me some pussy. Yeah. Like, that's literally how that entire, like, I've never been like, oh, go fucking bring me a girl home, like, for real. And, like, you where you know that's a conversation. And that's what he told me is like, well, you could tell me, like, bring a girl home. I'm like, that is not.

Like, there's a very clear, like, don't use that as your excuse. Like, but did you tell him to bring a girl home? No, I don't. That would be, like, literally the joking of, like, do you need anything from town? Oh, can you pick me up, like, a six-pack and you bring home some pussy. Right, right. As a joke. Yeah.

I mean, I don't expect you to actually go to town and go to a bar and bring home some slut. Like, that's not, I mean, if that's what we're doing, we can go do it together. But, like, I don't mean, that wasn't, that wasn't a valid reason for why you, why you weren't telling me about, like, talking to this girl. You know, and I just, I really, I feel like he's the most honest person. The most caring and honest person I've ever met my life. He's the person who taught me that my whole fucking idea of sex was completely fucked up. and like made me understand that like why every guy I've ever dated was a fucking douchebag

and like it helps me he was like the only guy who's never like ever he didn't like he told me like he didn't want me and like I pretty much stalked him because I was like if you don't like me you must be the perfect man because I only attract douchebags but were you attracted to him

totally he was my neighbor like yeah yeah no I moved into this house and he was next door and I'm like you had a crappy truck and a dirt bike and you don't ever have women over and you're quiet and like you're kind of like a redneck dude-dudish kind of dude and that's like I grew up on a ranch I'm like oh my god

that looks like a real man like it probably actually knows how to change his fucking tire which is right so he's different than your past but you're still working on maybe you have this issue where well you probably have a trust issue if all your boyfriends have cheated on you in the past right and you're it could

be that you're super paranoid and looking for it in everybody right and you're seeing these little things and that's what I'm aware of too but I feel like it's the same thing with this is like the same difference from him except for he's not honest with me about it's like from the beginning

like he said that he was really concerned like he was very didn't know how to like take me because I was talking about all these sex clubs and this and that and like you fucking have more like more crazy shit happening in your bedroom than I ever have it's just that like I'm okay to talk about it I don't think it sounds like he's had

no it doesn't sound like he's had more crazy shit going on in his bedroom I mean, not crazy shit, but he's definitely had more, like, I guess, like, more than I thought. Like, he made it seem as if, like, I was just, like, a bad, like, you're not a girl. And I'm like, you've, like, you've banged your girlfriend with another dude. And, like, that's, if that's things like you've had three sons before. So, like, what is it making me any different other than I, like, I like to go to a sex club and watch weird classes and, like, watch people bang and just, I don't know. Just, like, go to a place where people walking around naked and just playing or, like, disappearing in foam,

It's been getting blow jobs everywhere. I don't. Like, I just watch weird shit. Right. I guess. I don't know. Yeah, but listen, I got to say, and I think everyone's going to agree with me, like, just talking to you, right?

You're a little confusing because you're a little all over the noise, right? Yeah. And the only reason why I bring that up is because let's put ourselves in his position, okay? He's younger than you. He's less experience. I don't care what you say, right? No, yeah, definitely. Yeah.

He's 30 years old, okay? You're probably the first woman. he's ever met like this. You're not like common, right? So the majority of women out there are not even close to being as experienced as you or even into the things that you're into or open to them or, you know. Most girls aren't going like, yeah, get me a six pack and some pussy. You know, like don't talk like that, right?

So here you are in front of you, like a fucking talk about a unicorn. And then the way you talk, right, you're a little all over the place. You're kind of like you say, you're hypersexual. Like I said, you're a little hyper-every. thing, okay? Yeah. You're a hyper the way you talk. Your mind's all over the place. I mean, it's, you know, it's probably all because of good reasons, but, you know, it's probably confusing to him and it's probably not clear. And the fact that he doesn't really like to communicate about these things, right? And he kind of shuts the conversation down, right? It creates this

problem between you guys. You know, the part of him that shuts down the conversation and the part of you that is confusing to talk to. Trying to figure it all out. Yeah. No, you're confusing to talk to. You're a little all over the place. Oh, I apologize. I literally have no friends of this past year. So. Oh, no, no, but I don't think, don't apologize with it. It's like a whole year's rip of like, like, I don't mean to, I'm not saying that to like, no, no, but listen, I'm saying that to insult you. I'm saying that. No, no. I'm trying to figure out your,

your problems with him. Do you know what I mean? So I know, it's not problems. so much as it's like I feel like I you have this whole kinky mind that goes on but then the rest of the time if we're not naked and fucking then it's like kind of like not talked of and that's I don't understand that to me to me it's very like well if these are all this shit that runs to your head and these are your sexual fantasies and like you think about like you know getting to be the last one to be in my pussy and it's like a wet fucking been fucked by a bunch of people like how can you not this how can't we like actually discuss like some of like that any kind of reality okay let me ask you this did you ever ask him if he was like bye

by any champs i i have jokingly and i obviously i'm i feel like there's something there and i've put it out there in a way that like i don't care i don't care what whatever it is if it like fucking turns you on whatever that's fine like just at least be a real thing so we don't have it. No, he said not at all. Okay. And I don't think so, but at the same time, I feel like any of that kind of shit, there's something there.

There are certain people out there, and I don't get it, but it's, it's, you know, to each their own, and I've realized this and had to come to terms with it because I'm a very honest person. A lot of times I want that same kind of honesty reflected back at me. But there are just certain people out there that will keep things close to themselves and just won't reveal things. because they don't want to. And that's, they're just more private. And, you know, and, and, and you just have to accept that. I mean, he might be one of those guys. I don't know. You know,

it's confusing to me that you, he could say all these things and you're a very open person. And then you, when you guys sit down to talk when you're not in the bedroom, there's no open conversations going on. There's no, you know, I don't know, maybe you need to make it, like, put it on a piece of paper and, like, write down, these are the rules, you know, like, this is what we want, this is what I want to do. Like, what do you want to do? You know,

I don't know. You know, take him to find, you're good at finding classes. Maybe there's a couple sexual retreat thing that you could take him to that will make him feel more open. You've been able to take him to a swingers club. Why not keep taking him to those kind of places?

I guess because they don't exist with COVID. I don't know. Yeah. We've looked. Yeah. There's places there are just all like shut down with all that like voted like all of the local munches and stuff like that are non-existent. Right.

And how long have you guys been dating again? How long you guys been together? Two years. Two years. Yeah. I mean, listen, if this is like a really great guy that you really care about and he's the first nice guy that you're with, I mean, it seems like he has it in him. No, it's there. It's just I don't want to, I don't want to push it.

And like, I don't want to do that because that's not okay. Because I don't want to push things on him. I just want to be able to have some kind of clear communication with it. Yeah, I don't understand why there isn't clear communication. I that's why I'm trying just yeah it's fair that's where I'm I guess I'm confused is I feel like there's no ability to like really look me in the eyes and just be comfortable discussing stuff like 30 minutes after like you just like I was like making you eat my pussy like and like bossing you around being more in the domineering role I don't understand how it's not if you can feel

comfortable enough to like have a very you open fantasy section, like open, be open with your fantasies in the bedroom. Like I don't, it's very helpful me to put the connect of like, well, it's obviously that he has like,

you know how they say liquid courage, you know, people with them with the truck, they have more balls. Like he just has liquid courage when it comes to being horny. Like when he's horny, he'll fucking do anything.

Like, you know, that's, that's what you got to do. You got to get him back when COVID goes away, back to like a swingers club. And maybe then you'll be, he'll be able to watch you with another guy and be hot for it.

Because it seems like when he's horny, he's able to express those things and he's much more open. But he has a problem doing that when he's not horny. But I think if you keep working on him and you're like, you keep talking about it and keep bringing it up, you know, and kind of passively aggressively force them into talking about it more and keep trying. I mean, because listen, you've only been with him for two years. He's a young guy. Maybe like I said, it's not, it's very rare that a guy. a guy winds up in a relationship with a girl like you and all of this is dumped on him. And like I said,

there might be a part of him that doesn't trust that this is really real. There might be a part of him that's not, you know, is still conflicted about the things that he's into. Maybe he does have fantasies about another guy and that freaked him out. Maybe that was the problem. He's afraid there could be a million things going on in his head. But we don't know because I'm not talking to him and you don't know because he doesn't really put it out there. Right. So maybe in your opinion, Because you talk to so many people, like the women who are like comfortable, this is my scare part, my most worried thing is like, I don't want to push something like be in the overstep these boundaries because I'm not a dominant person in bed naturally. And it's become something more that turns me on now that it's been a longer period and that's kind of what we fell into. But like the whole like being more pushing things into them, I'm so terrified of like what, where is that line where you're like,

bed and like somebody's turned off by something and you know that feeling that you get when you like do something you're in bed and you do it and then like that immediate shame feeling afterwards like I don't want to like be that person that like pushes you past a point and then you realize you're there and like you're totally already there and you're not going to say no but you're already and you don't want to do whatever it is like I don't I don't yeah but why you're projecting that onto him I mean that hasn't happened I mean that's that'll be on him I mean you could just keep those lines of communication open so that doesn't happen. I mean, he's

gone pretty far with it. I mean, like, you went to Swingers Club and he fucked you in front of a bunch of people. You guys talk about fucking other people. I'm wondering if I'm wondering if that's like maybe what the X did. It's like, like, she got to spend the thing. That happens. And then like all of a sudden, like, she's evil

later because it was like pushed on you, but you wanted it at the time. And I just don't, I don't know. What did he say specifically about that situation when he said that it bothered him? What were his exact words? The word of one is like more like he said that this girl like fucked with his head by like making him She apparently she's more of like a humiliator person which I don't get that I don't if you're into it cool but like I don't understand making like making fun of somebody you're hurting them

But she said like he made it seems it's like she Would bang other guys in front of him but it's like but if it happens more than once than like You can't have that happen numerous times and like oh loud that person No, but can you just tell me what he said that bothered him about it? Oh, that she, he would like, she would, like, apparently bang other guys in front of him and, like, say how much better they are. And apparently she would, like, they could bang other guys and then see the videos of it. And I'm not sure if that was what they were together or broken up because it seemed like one of them was, like, afterwards. But there wasn't a lot there.

I mean, he told me just pretty much of the gist of she would bang other guys in front of him. But I feel like you can't just, do. No, no, no. Can you just tell me what he said he didn't like about it? And then there was a but, okay? He had to have told you that conversation, but he said, but it freaked me out. Like, what were the exact words he said about the problem he had with it? Not what he did.

We already know what he did. What did he say? Because you said it scarred him. What did he say? The specific thing other than like he said that like she would bang other guys in front of him and like tell them how much better they were than him. There wasn't every, he didn't get very, that was pretty much. No, but you said he's not into doing it because he did. in the past and it scarred him or traumatized him.

Did you say that? Well, that's what I think. Like, that's the only thing you get it. It's like, oh, I didn't mean to put words in his mouth. No, but I mean, you're confusing me. I don't remember because that was the beginning of the conversation. And this is going to be a really annoying podcast for people listen to because we keep cutting each other off.

I'm sorry. No, but I'm just trying to make some, I'm trying to get some clarity here. It's hard. You, you know, how do you know he didn't like it with his girlfriend? I don't. I don't. That's why I assume. from my perspective from the very little he's told me because it was one conversation that like he wasn't very big about it was that she did this and it was like apparently a normal thing but then that's where I don't understand because I'm like if you didn't like it then why would you still but how do you know he didn't like it?

I that's what I'm saying. In my opinion he had to have liked it. So is it now that it's bad that like but it's not bad. He just he just maybe he's afraid to do but like so you're so you're so you're. you just assume that it was bad in the past and he was traumatized? Well, he's the one who told me that, like,

she traumatized him by doing that. He said she traumatized him by doing that. He said she traumatized. That's like how she fucked with his head. Yeah. That's how she fucked with his head. So she traumatized it. Right.

That's what I thought you said in the beginning. So that was all that he said about that. And then did you say, I mean, so the conversation just ended there. Like, I mean, I would want to get more specifics.

That's where pretty much I left him at the point. I was like, how can this traumatize you if it's something that turns you And what did he say? There wasn't really, that's the end of our conversation. He didn't talk about her anymore. So we're going to end this where we started off, where we've gone around in circles. But that's okay, because I really think that sometimes just talking about something like helps, right?

And when you listen to this back, it'll really help you hearing your story and yourself as a third person. Like you'll get a lot. You'll get a lot out of it from talking about it, but you'll also get a lot out of it from listening to it, right? And like I said, a lot of guys listening to you, right? now would be like raising their hand like I'll date you. No, they all say that until they get there and then they don't want to fucking know what to do with it. Right. And that's what I mean.

Like that's why I said like the average guy, there will be a lot of other things going on there. Like I said, they will think it's too good to be true. They won't know what to do with it. Maybe they have the Madonna whore complex and, you know, as much as they like it, you know, they can't love it. You know. Yeah. And they also pointed out to me when they first started dating and I discussed like that, that situation with him about

he said that he feels like it's more like maybe those dudes like get a bigger ego because you're like bringing all this pussy to them and you're making them feel like they just get whatever they know they can have whatever they want and maybe that's why they just are not maybe you kind of like kind not in a rude way to say this toward me he wasn't

rude but pretty much like you did it to yourself by like letting your guy go fuck other people well listen you look the wrong guy I mean listen Those guys probably would have cheated a lot sooner if you weren't bringing the pussy home. That guy will probably cheat on a girl. You know, I don't think bringing guys home. I mean, it necessarily turns a guy who's already monogamous into a cheater. Like I don't, I mean, but listen, those things definitely could be a slippery slope, right?

You bring a third person in and then maybe you keep bringing them and then maybe they start texting alone. And like, you know, in that situation, yeah. but, you know, if these people are the type that were cheating with a lot of people and stuff, you bringing home girls all the time didn't change that or make it that way. But I just, this is the one thing that was a big thing that hit for me. And I know it was probably don't have time. But he said that he's main concern about doing any of this stuff, I totally space this, was the fact that where is it going to, what is it, what's going to be next?

Like, what is it going to escalate to? Right. He's open. He's afraid to open up. It's like a Pandora's. box and he's like, I just think that you need, you need to hold his hand and bring him in. I think it's very hard to get to the point where you're at. I mean, you know for a fact that you could watch your partner, fuck someone else and go make a sandwich and you're fine with it. But a lot of

people who might have that fantasy don't know how they'd actually feel. He actually lived out one of his fantasies. And when he did, he, it traumatized him. So of course he's going to be a little bit weirded out. But I don't think, because A, you said already that he has all these other great qualities and you really care about him and he's a good dude that you know you got uh you should give up hope i think that there's a lot of hope and he's you know five years from now he could be right there with you but i think you need to give him some time and i think you need to help him but i think you need to keep the conversation going i think you have to push it a little bit and you know keep don't let him off the hook when he doesn't want to talk you know and if he still doesn't

Like get some therapy and get him to talk more about the sex stuff, you know? And, and, and that will help because I think he has it in him, but he's a little worried. It is like opening up Pandora's box. And if, you know, he really likes you, he, maybe he's afraid because it didn't work out with his last relationship that he doesn't want to ruin it. So you, thank you. You're like, fucking, you're good at explaining things. And it's like common sense, but thank you. Like sometimes you just need to hear somebody else.

outside fucking opinion on it. Yeah, but wait. Yes, exactly. But wait until, like I said, wait until you hear your story, because you're a smart girl too. Like, you're going to be, when you hear your story out of yourself, right, as a third person, you might also come to other conclusions about your situation on your own because there is something to listening to it outside like I am. It's easy for me to see it more clearly because I'm, like I said, a third person to your story. You're going to be, like me listening to it when you hear it back as a show. And it's going to be very helpful. Like I said, very helpful. I promise you. It might make you think of certain things that you didn't think about

before. And I hope you do get something out of it, you know, because you should, like I said, you're like being wasted if you're not, you know, living out all your fantasies and doing all your things that you want because you are that rare person that is super open to it and want to do it, you know? You just have to make sure you're with the right person. I think. I think, you're, think he, I think, you know, there's a good chance he is the right person, but you might need to give him more time. Two years isn't a lot of time. No. Yeah. Yes. Well, I think I think I'm just, I'm so like, I don't, I have a hard time grasping the fact that like, why is it weird? Just like, tell me your weird shit. Like, like, some people aren't as comfortable with their weird shit.

I mean, this is why you're living double lives. You know, people are living double lives. He could be blowing guys behind your back and you have no idea. I mean, you know, and that's the thing. I think everyone's a little fucking weirdo, and I think the ones that hide it are even fucking weirder. Yeah. They have the really weird. Like, those are the ones that do weird shit.

Yeah, exactly. You know, well, you don't, right, exactly. I mean, all my friends know that I do my show, and I still have friends that I think still wouldn't cop to the fact of things that they do, probably, even though they know I'm super open-minded, because they just feel a little weirded out. And that's, you know, everyone has that right to keep that stuff to themselves when they're ready.

I think your guy has crossed the line. He isn't a kinky shit. He has shown you sides of it. He has, you know, gone to swingers clubs with you. So he's definitely a keeper. You just got to work on him and you have to be a little bit more patient. I think COVID has really fucked shit up. So you can't be like, oh, we haven't gotten anywhere in a year.

No one's gotten anywhere with anything in a year. It's a bullshit. I know. So you got to wait. All right. Give it some more time. Okay. Check back.

Thank you. A wise one. Oh, thank you so much for calling in. No, thank you. And you, sincerely, I love your show. And you are just, you're a gym. Thank you. Thank you for calling in.

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