Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 404 - Joe Had Recurring Wet Dreams About Guys and Then him and his Girlfriend Acted on Them

Episode Date: August 9, 2021

Joe had recurring wet dreams about hooking up with guys and then him and his girlfriend fulfilled them and he called in to talk all about it. When did his wet dreams start? How frequent were they? And what exactly was he doing with the guys in the dreams?? Tune in for all the details which include how they became more anymore detailed, how the dreams made him so confused he saw a therapist, what his therapist thought was behind the dreams, how his girlfriend felt when he first told her, how and why they set up their first MMF threesome and exactly what happened, how she set up a fivesome between them with three other guys, how two of those guys were her friends from high school and how she slept with them too, how he felt about seeing her with the other guys in front of him, why she shut the whole thing down, how he continued to see one of the guys behind her back, why he hasn't told her about it, how he feels about his sexuality now that he's been with guys and a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Here is your host, Kathy. Hey, welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast with Kathy. If you want to follow the Strictly Anonymous podcast on Instagram or Twitter, follow the show at Strict Anonymous. This week I have on Joe. Now, Joe emailed me and was like, I was having these crazy dreams about, like, sucking dick and all this stuff.

I mean, he was a straight guy in a relationship with a girl, but he kept having these dreams where he was like hooking up with guys. and he was honest about that with his girl, right? He was very straight up. They were talking about it. He started to go to therapy because she was like worried. You know, maybe he was into guys. It was a, you know, it was something that was happening for months and there was like a buildup to it and eventually went to therapy.

And then eventually they wind up allowing him to hook up with a guy like in a threesome. She's there. She sets it up. And they like fool around and fuck like a couple guys, a couple different scenarios. She fucks the guys too. He blows them. Everything goes down. Some of them are her friends. I mean, you got to tune in for all the details, right? And then she shuts the whole thing down, which to me was, didn't make sense, right? I ask a million questions to find out why, right? Why does a girl who's like totally open to it shut it down? And that's what we talk about, right? Is he buy? Is he not? He's like sort of at the place where he doesn't really know. This is something that just happened. But he definitely wants to keep continuing to. fool around with guys and just so you know he's doing it behind her back okay so he's like on the verge of living a double life he's cheating on his girl now you know and that's and so that's what's going on

and that's what we talk about anyway um i'm going to be right back on with joe hey joe welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast how are you today how are you today i'm doing good you're doing good okay so joe um you dmned me a long time ago you said right this i think it was before I stopped taping people. And I don't remember what that DM was, but it must have been about you hooking up with a guy because when you made your appointment with me, you're like, oh, I'm bisexual. But you have a girlfriend, right?

And so maybe did you guys just have a first threesome with a guy, you and your girl and a guy? Is that what happened? I don't know. Yeah, it led into a threesome. Uh-huh. So what kind of started it was I started having these dreams. and I went to a couple counselors,

went to a couple of things. We were having these dreams. I'd be in the dream, and I was down on my knees in front of a guy, and I would never see the guy's face. But you were blowing him? But no, no, but were you blowing him in the dream? I'm assuming, okay.

And did you, like, were you having, like, wet dreams? Like, I mean, did it get you, like, did you wake up really hot and bothered? Not initially. These dreams went on for probably about two months, almost three months and they progressively got more and more detailed and these dreams progressively got more and more

detailed and more and so explain the dream to me like you were explaining it to your therapist the first time and then they more detailed each time and they got to the point to where I'm sucking on this guy and I feel it the girlfriend would tell me I'm making sucking

noises in my sleep. And then you're hearing me moan. Oh, my God. And the dreams progressively got more and more detailed. You know, what is going on? And then where does this leave me and my girlfriend in our relationship? So you were having these dreams every night for like two months? Is that what it was?

It was like every single night? Yeah. Mm-hmm. And it's basically the same thing. It just got more deep. Right. It was always a blowjob, but it got to be more intense and more real, kind of, right?

Is that what you're saying? Yeah, there was more description in it. Like, then I could see it would progress a little bit. So, like, at first, I'm just not touching them, nothing, squeezing his ball on. Mm-hmm. It was more detailed. That's so interesting. Which was really freaking me out because it's like, what's going on with me, you know,

in my head and me and my went over it and she started getting me to think remember when I'd start trying to think about things in detail as to and what she came up small all kind of underlaying all these causing me to have these dreams

and that's what two of the conclusion as to what was happens one kind of blew me up but long story short don't make a long story short I like the detail Well, I mean, just as far as the therapy stuff, you know, talking and then trying to work through it and working out. Mm-hmm. So she said, you know, why don't we try? Well, that didn't change it.

What did you do with that toy? But let me ask you this. So what did you do? She went out and bought a dildo and you, like, blew it? Like, I mean, what did you do with that? Is that what you sort of recreated that scenario that you were dreaming about? Yeah, we started with just a basic guilt squirting one. Uh-huh.

I didn't change the dreams at all. I just found myself wanting to do that more with her. So time went by and we just went to where what you're wanting every time, including our regular sexual law. You know, I don't know. She said, well, why don't we go ahead and try to see how you feel about it then because you'll either be like, yeah, this is for me or yeah, I don't want to. All right.

What we've come to find. Really? Well, they all talk like they want to try it out. Because we're looking for somebody who's curious, you know, bisexual, or at least what I thought. I would say, yeah, well, you know, we want to meet us. We found a guy, you know, I said, yeah, let's go ahead. Getting a hotel was supposed to be a bisexual for him and me, but he ended up not wanting to do anything with a guy. He just wanted to have sex with my girlfriend in the end.

Occasionally here and there, the night was pretty hot. My girlfriend kind of started it off because he was really nervous. I was, you know, the only thing I was. Now let me ask you this as a guy who's never been with a guy, right? Like, did you, because I would assume, like, you wouldn't even know what you're looking for. I mean, when it came time to, like, pick a guy, right? And this guy is the one that you picked. Was it about the way that he looked?

Was it just about his cock and how it looked in a picture? Did you like his face? I mean, were you repulsed by everything else? But that, like, how was it when you had the whole body of a guy there in front of you? like. So for me, Right. Okay. But, but at the same time, you know, he can't be 400 pounds. So with this, this guy, what was he like, older or younger?

It was two years younger than I am. How old are you? And I'm 39 this year. And your girl? She's five years younger than me. Okay. So. So he's around your same age.

He had a decent size piece. Like is that what you're looking for like a big cock? I don't know. Something that's interesting that you don't really think about before you try this. But what I learned with the whole toy scenario was I won't come to realize. Uh-huh. I already have a large mouth. So as far as toys went, we went like a medium-sized toy.

But for a guy, we want somebody, you know, medium-sized to, you know, somewhere average. nothing real real thick but something that I could manage without any problem right okay and the length didn't he would at least like I think we settled in in about five to six is what this guy ended up being like seven is an issue for and we got started and I he primarily focused on I think he came twice that night um he pulled him out with eating her close to you while I was sucking. In your mouth again. So, yeah.

First time he came, he came a lot and I'm quite a bit. The dream. Okay. And he met that expectation almost to the point where I couldn't get it all swallowed. Mm-hmm. But that ended up, that whole experience went really well. Recently. June, like last month, June?

June, like just like a month ago, not last year, June. Okay. Uh-huh. for an agreed to do with me because she said she she doesn't want any part of me after that first time no after this second time in June okay that whole one up I didn't I didn't really have any input into it if I wanted to do it again and I said yeah you know we can do it again I wouldn't mind I had fun the last time we'll do it again but this will be the last time and I've now to be that she had set up three guys.

I didn't know. I thought it was just going to be one. High school. How'd she find these fucking people? How'd she get three guys, two from high school, random to all meet up? Like, how that she orchestrate that shit? Well, two of them, they're both buddies. But how did she know they were by?

I don't know. Okay. I don't, I'm not exactly sure that she even asked them about that. I think she more or less kind of bit him into it. Uh-huh. But I'm not, I'm not sure how it all worked out.

But then she talked to another guy. He traveled down soon. She got all his information and everything. And she explained that. And she basically did all the legwork on it. Last time doing anything for me. Yes, and you could say. Uh-huh.

It's sucking on them, each one of them. And we were down there in the, He moved over to where I was, and she wanted to watch me finish him off. So I did that. He got underneath of her and licking her while she's sucking and stroking this other guy, and he was ready to come, so he moved over through each looking on me, you know, would be. And it just went around a few three times, but night went on that. The best part of one of her guy friends from high school doesn't know over, so to speak.

It's not a new guy. same guy. It's one of her friends. It's one of the two guys that were her friends that were there from the threesome. Yeah. Okay. Up here, it's a very, it's, it's a small town up here. Mm-hmm. So anything anybody does. Yeah, that's not something you just kind of go out there and tell everybody. Of course not. Even with, even with the social media apps and everything that you have, even being anonymous as best you can up here. word will get out guaranteed. And the first guy that we tried,

or the first guy that we had, he wasn't even from here. He was only over here for work and since where he came from originally. Right. Mm-hmm. So that guy, you would see him on the down, though. So you started to kind of see him every,

you still see him every now and then behind your girl. Why behind your girlfriend's back if she's the one that hooked you up with him? Part in it. Mm-hmm. Well, listen, she knows. Yeah, but let me ask you this. Okay, because she knows she's your girl, right? She's been, she went through this whole process of you sort of coming out of the closet, right?

And going from being a guy that has never been with a guy to a guy that's like blowing, you know, swallowing loads, right, in front of her. She's fucking other guys. I mean, you guys definitely opened up a huge Pandora's box. Talk about Pandora's box, right? Between you and her and your relationship. So now she hooks up this scenario like is her last. her, like, this is what I'm going to do for you, but this is the last time. But did she say it's the last time for you, too? Like, you could never be with a guy? Or did you say, okay, well, like, I still

like to fool around with guys. Could I fool around with them without you? I mean, was there any kind of communication about the last time and what that meant for you? I get what it meant for her, but did you bring up the fact that maybe you didn't want it to be the last time? I didn't, and I left it at that. Right. Okay. Because at that point, I didn't really know if I wanted to continue doing it or not. Right. So I didn't really want to say we will do anything to get open and just said, okay. Right.

Uh-huh. That's where that got left. And then he messaged me one day and asked if I wanted to go have a beer. And that was the end of that. Right. Now, would you say that you feel at this point that you are bisexual? I don't think it's necessarily that I'm bisexual. I just enjoy the feeling of sucking cock, if that makes sense.

And the feeling of feeling them get excited. Right. Well, listen, did you listen to my episode with Dr. Joe Court? It was a bonus episode. Did you see that one? I may have. Oh, you'd remember it because he's a doctor that says that straight guys could hook up with guys and have sex with them and be straight.

And it's very controversial that, you know, he went viral on TikTok because of that. His theory, right? And when I saw that, I was like, I got to get him on my show because I have heard a lot of guys like you who have said, oh, you know, I, you know, I suck a dick every now and then, but I'm not gay and I'm not bi. And I don't really necessarily like men.

But every now and then, maybe I want that. And for me, it never made sense, right? But until, so when I saw this doctor with this theory and somebody, he's a sexologist, like that's his specialty, I was like, I have to have him come on. And his whole theory is that sometimes a straight man might have a, you know, for the time that he's with a guy, like that's what he likes. But it doesn't mean anything. You don't have to define it, right?

It's not that he's by or he's gay or, you know, he's into guys. It's just he's into that for that moment. Yeah, and part of what got me to kind of come out and kind of try all this was from listening to a lot of your episodes that you taped with different people. And a lot of people's definitions of what bisexual is or gay is, when you're gay, you have emotions involved. You have, you know, your heartstrings are attached. Right, it's romantic. And, yeah. And then when you go bisexual, I think you have all of the sexual aspect through the point of what would be considered almost the feeling spot.

No, I'm going to tell you because listen, I thought like you. I thought, well, I thought bisexual was when you could have sex with both men and women, but the person who you have romantic feelings with is, you know, the person of the opposite sex. but no, bisexual means that you could have, like, gay would mean, you know, whether you're a lesbian or you're a gay man, it would mean that you have sexual and romantic feelings only for somebody of the same sex. Bisexual would mean you could have romantic and sexual feelings for either sex, not just sexual feelings, but romantic too, meaning you could date a man or a woman. That's bisexual. Yeah.

See, that's where I'm kind of torn between the two. and it's like for me personally sexual organs that's it aside from anything from you know the waist down I'll take that you know right in the middle that's all I need right the dick the legs is best in the stomach I don't need any of that right that's why I asked like when you've met your first guy like did you did any of that other stuff you know that was involved like the face and the chest and the body you know did that come into play but like you said, no, it was just about the cock, right? Because that's all you were going to be focusing on. That's what it was about for you.

That was the turn on. Yeah. That's what gets me going. Yeah. And it's the other stuff, I mean, for everybody, it's different. But the, you know, the orange, that kind of gives me the hebi-gibi, so to speak. That's kind of where I'm out on it. But everybody's different.

But when you were younger, right, let's go back to like before these dreams and stuff. I want to psychoanalyze you. Like, did you remember all these little scenarios that your doctor said must have happened or they triggered, you know, memories of you in you so that you remembered when they happened like at the gym or whatever, you know, and then you piece them all together in your dream? Did you ever had any inkling before you started to have those dreams that you might be attracted to cock every now and then, right? Maybe that's the right way to phrase it. I never really thought about it. Like, if I've seen a guy in the gym with a big, with a big dick or something, I would

thought, you know, that must be nice. You've got a nice looking dick. Right. Or in, like, porn videos or something like that where you see a woman sucking a guy off. I think, you know, it must be fun. It must be enjoyable. So in that sense, it'd be kind of arousing to me thinking, you know, that would be kind of enjoyable. Right, but you did have a curiosity though. Like your mind was open to it and curious about it.

So you were taking it in on some level, right? Because it wasn't like, oh, not registering at all. It was sort of in a, like I said, a curiosity level. Yeah. Your mind thought, oh, that might be interesting. Yeah, because my girlfriend suggested that I, and one of my therapists suggested, too, was that I watched gay porn and see if that. turn me on. Yeah. And that didn't turn me on. But when I'd watch straight porn where a woman was blowing where he's coming, that part would turn me on.

Like, it'd be nice to switch out with her and feel it. So the scenario for you needed to be a girl, but you did have the scenario recently with the guy solo, right? And that was cool. So it doesn't have to be with a woman there. But maybe what it was was the actual coming part of it that needed to be there. I don't know. Maybe you didn't get that far into the gay porn. Maybe you turned it off before they came.

Maybe you would have been into it. You saw them shooting loads. I don't know how long you gave the gay porn, you know, how long you tried it out for. But it seems like the calming of, you know, is the part that really turns you on, whether a woman's there or not, because you did just have a solo experience with a guy.

And it was cool, right? Yeah. And it's just for the gay porn, I watched it all the way through. even to the coming section and watching another guy suck another guy off just isn't a rousing or a turn on for me but watching a guy swap off right that is a rowdy right to visual but when you had the guy though alone I mean it was just a guy on guy action right I mean there you were with that guy you know after lunch back at his place and you blew him right yeah there's no talk there's no small talk in between

There's no nothing. Yeah. We walk in, he drops his pain. He sits in his chair. First time he sat in his office chair, and I got down on my knees and started sucking on him until he came. Twice. Yeah, every guy's fantasy, right?

They wish girls would do shit like that. I mean, every guy would love like a quickie blowjob like that, right? Any day. No chit-chat, no nothing, no blah, blah, blah, right? You get started. kind of ancient kind of. And it's kind of like, what are you doing? You know, why are you there kind of thing?

Mm-hmm. And it's put, once he pulls out his clock, it's, I already know why I'm there. Right. Right. And then the minute you're done, I mean, because you're blowing them, like, do you get off or do you get off later or when you get home? I get off later when I get home. Okay. I just, I enjoy the feeling of it.

I enjoy the taste. Mm-hmm. And feeling it going from something, you know, I enjoy it all of. But what's with the, like, but, okay, why didn't you go home and tell your girl about it? Like, are you going to start living a secret life? I don't think at some point I've got to tell her. We're bringing up to her. Like, I mean, I don't understand how it sounds like really weird, but I think I just haven't asked enough questions that, like, I mean, you guys really opened up your relationship.

Like, not only did you blow guys and that's what your dream was. was and you guys were figuring out what that was and she was helping you along. I mean, she also fucked other guys right in front of you. A lot of times that's like a scary line to cross, right? Like, I mean, how did you feel about seeing her fuck other guys? The first time we did it, I had

some problems during I had kind of, what do you call it, almost like I can't please her because I'm seeing her moaned. The way that she does with me, but I don't see it because I'm on top of her

or I'm behind her and I'm just not as focused as to how she's acting or how she's sounding when I'm the one who's doing it. Because when you step on the other side of that, it's a very thin line. And if you can't handle it, it'll ruin your point where we were at. We thought our relationship was pretty much going to be over. So we figure and see what comes of it. see if we can kind of mend our relationship and keep it together, we're just going to end up. Why were you going to split up anyway?

Because you were having these dreams about guys and she thought you were into guys, so she was like, I'm out of here? Yeah. Okay. And then it came down because we both worked really hard at trying to figure out what the issue was, why I was having the dreams. Yeah. And all this other kind of stuff.

The dreams never stopped. You know, one was saying it's underlying. bisexual tendencies and other ones. We were both really focused on trying to figure it and she said, well, let's try it. And she said it's either going to break us or we're going to stay together broken either way. It's something we have to do

one way or another. She finally agreed to work out. Right. But how did she feel about fucking other guys? Like, I mean, and then she set up a threesome for you? Like, it's very odd. Like, I mean, she goes and does these two scenarios and then she shuts it down. conflicted about doing it the first go-round, I think she was more worried about how I would react,

which I did have some issues with it. The one-time thing is, you know, sleeping with a woman or, you know, not sleeping, but having sex with women, watching me, listening to me, watching my movements, thinking, you know, because she's doing it for him because he's making a sound. But when she's tense, you know what I mean? Yeah, I get it. I'm just confused of what I still can't get over is the fact that she went to a very like far extreme and then said oh now I'm doing nothing like I mean normally the girl that like sets up now a threesome with two of her guy friends and another guy and you and she's fucking everybody everyone's having one big fucking orgy and then she's like and that's the last time and that's it and then she just thinks you're never going to suck a dick again I don't know it's like it's odd to me that whole scenario. I don't know. We haven't talked about it since. Right. Well, people need to know because, listen, this is going to maybe air in September and people are going to be like, why the fuck are you bringing it up, Kathy? But it's really, we're talking about like, it's a very close time, right? I mean, you just did this last scenario like a month ago, right?

Yeah, in June. Right, in June. And we're talking in mid-July. So, you know, I just, I just think it's, you know, what is your girlfriend thinking? Why aren't you guys talking about it more? Did she like fucking the other guys? Like, did you ever ask her about that? Talked about it. So I'm need to bring it up because I'm not sure if she really enjoyed the experience or if it's just forget now.

Well, did she have orgasms? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, did you guys talk about it on your ride home? Were you horny? Did you have the best sex ever afterwards? We talked about it on the ride home. just that it was fun.

We both had a good time. And I don't know so much is she had such a good time herself or it was that she had a good time being able to watch me. But she said she had fun with it. Right, but why shut it down? Why is she never going to do it again? Why does it like an end does like does she expect that you're never going to do it again? You know, because you hear you are doing it again behind her back.

So like how does it go from this couple who's so. open with each other that you're telling her you're dreaming about sucking other guys. And she's like, all right, I'm going to find a guy from you. And then you guys go fuck other guys. And then she sets up a threesome with her friends and she fucks her friends in front of you. Like, how do you guys go from that? Really? And then quickly go back to being like a couple that's never going to be with anybody else.

I don't understand. That's what I don't get. That's what she told me. She told me it was it. You know? In the beginning, she didn't. want to do it to start with it at all in or splitting up because she didn't want me going and doing it alone. Okay, so that's what that's what I'm getting at. She's she right. So you know that she doesn't

want you to go out and do it again. And so you know that that was supposedly the last time. So this is going to break you up because why like I think we be you know what I mean like if you're going to be honest like this is going to be the end of you guys because she doesn't want to do it anymore. And you do want to do it. Yeah. Right. I mean, it'll either come down to either I have to stop doing it all together or it'll come down to we split. right or she or she allows it to happen I mean I don't understand like she

thought she could you know she was my girlfriend I'd be like you let him suck three cocks like four like and now you're going to tell him he's not allowed I mean that's like you know I don't it doesn't make any sense you know she was either going to say let's like you just

open this up and then this is the way it's going to be or say listen I'm never going to be able or me and listen maybe she was like okay I can't do this anymore, but there needs to be a conversation about like, okay, but do you need this and maybe then we need to break up? I mean, you guys need to talk about what's happening here, you know, because it's like very odd that you had enough communication to get to the point where you were able to live out your fantasies, but you're not communicating that extra step to really make it

work in your relationship. Because you're cheating on her now with guys and you shouldn't be. You shouldn't have to be. She knows that you fuck, like you blue guys. She knows that you like it. Like, she hooked you up with the guy. Yeah. And I don't, but the reason why I haven't talked to her yet is I don't know that I'll want to be able to stop. I don't know if I'll be able to stop doing it or if.

No, you're not going to be able to stop doing it. You love it, right? Don't you like it? I do. I do like it. I enjoy it. Yeah.

And this is the whole problem. That's what I'm saying. Like, as far as she's concerned, if she was on this call. I mean, like, she allowed you to do what you. She saw that you liked it. She set up another scenario that was like top of the mountain. I mean, she hooked up a whole orgy scenario for you. I mean, like she crossed a lot of lines too.

And then like I said, listen, I get it if she wants to shut it down. But she has to on some level be wondering about you. I'm surprised that she's not communicating to you. Like, listen, I don't want to do this anymore. But do you want to do this? Like, do you still want to blow guys? Have you had the dreams? Like, is she asking anything like that to you?

She does ask me if I have the dream still. And occasionally I'll have one, but it's not every day like I was having them. Right, because you're actually blowing guys in real life, so you don't have to have the dream. That's just, I mean, come on. Yeah. I mean, that would be the red flag to me. I'd be asking you if you had the dream and the trick question, the trick answer, or it would be a trick question. Because to me, if my guy was like, no more dreams, I'd be like, yeah, he's fucking blowing guys behind my back.

That's what it means. Or if he's like, yeah, dreams every night again, I'd be like, okay, he's not blowing guys be on my back. Right? You're not having the dream every now because you're actually fucking doing it in reality. Yeah. So she's not analyzing your answer properly. She doesn't understand. Like she couldn't feed the beat.

Like she thought like giving you a couple dicks that it would just go away. Like does she think it went away, your desire? I don't know. How long have you been dating this girl? I took over three years now. And, you know, besides your physical, intimate relationship, like, how is the rest of your relationship together? It's great, actually.

Right, like you love her. She loves you. I mean, listen, she sounds like a super open-minded girl. I have a little block. Like, I wish I was talking to her. So, because I don't know that I'm getting like the right story from you. You know, as far as like where her heads at and how the story goes, because it doesn't really make sense to me, you know, but that's life, right? Sometimes shit doesn't make sense. Like I said,

if I had her on the phone, maybe it would make more sense because she'd explain it from her situation. But, you know, on some level, you know, it was way cool of her to be so open to your dream, to talk about it with you, to go and get the toy, to let you blow it in front of her. And then to let you fool around with a guy, she got involved. Then she hooked you up with another, like, scenario that was like off the chart as far as I'm concerned. I mean she hooked up three guys, right? Wasn't it three guys and you and her? Yeah, it was two of her high school friends.

And you all fucked each other. I mean, like you just blew them, but she fucked them all, all three of them? No, not the guy she lined up, but the two high school guys. Right, so I mean, a girl that's like, you know, setting up her two high school guys and a random. and you're blowing them and you're swallowing jizz and she's fucking these two guys in front of her, you know, she's she's pretty open-minded.

I mean, I wouldn't call her vanilla, right? And so I think, you know, maybe she needs to be in therapy a little bit to sort out her feelings and her, you know, what would the right word be? Like maybe she has to figure out what she's into as well. Because listen, if your guy is into sucking dick, you could set up that. he sucks a dick. But when you go and fuck that guy in front of him, like, maybe that's something that you enjoy doing. You know, I mean, you know, maybe she likes variety, right? Because she's fucking these guys too. I mean, you know, that wasn't like a part of your dream, right? But somehow,

like, maybe that was a part of her dream. I mean, you have to have more conversations with her to figured out because most likely you could get this kind of girl down with a scenario where it would be okay for you to do what you want to do every now and then. Maybe it would be okay if she could do what she wants to do every now and then. Maybe she wants to fuck another guy every now and then. I mean, I find it very suspect that she had these two guys from high school that she lined up that she knew would blow you and that she'd fuck them. I don't know. Like that whole thing. I mean, maybe she's Fucked them before. Did she ever Fuck them before that time?

And I didn't ask. Right. But let me ask you this. It was like the case where you got to blow a guy every now and then when you were interested. Would you care if she like fucked a guy every now and then that she was interested in? No, I was. With the first guy, I had some issues with me. Uh-huh. And when we traveled south with those other two guys, it didn't bother me at all. because at the end of the night,

she's still going home with me. We live together. Yeah. And work. Yeah, she's being pleasureed by then. I'm getting pleasure from that watching her. Her being fucked and her enjoying it, I'm getting enjoyment out of it as well.

And it kind of really took me a little bit to figure that out. Obviously, each person is different. And that being on the other side, I see things. made my piece with it and figured I wouldn't have a problem. Right, but she said she didn't want to do the whole situation where she's involved with you. But you have to bring up to her, like, but like what about me? Like, you know, like I'd like to maybe do this again. Like every now and then, how is that with you?

I mean, you should be able to have those conversations with her. And you should start having them. I think that, you know, considering you guys have a really great relationship everywhere else and the fact that she did all these other things with you already, there's a good chance that you guys could come to some sort of agreement that would make you happy that you don't have to start living a secret life behind her back and fucking guys. Because then that becomes a whole different thing.

You know what I mean? Like if she knew, wouldn't she be really upset? Because it's not just about what you're doing, right? Because she accepts that. She knows that you like to suck a dick sometimes. But it's the betrayal. It's that you're lying. You know, it's that you're not telling her something.

And why aren't you? You know, you told her everything else. You told her about those dreams. You told her, you know, you've done so many other things. I think that would be really hurtful for her. So why? And if you really care about her, the last thing you want is for her to find out that you're cheating on her. So you're not going to tell her that you fuck this.

We're with those guys. But what you need to start the conversations back up again is talk about how this is something that you want to do and you want to keep doing it. and how can you guys do that in a way that she's okay with it, whether she's there, whether she's not there, like how do you make that work and what is she looking for? Yeah, that's it. It can't keep one, it's going to catch up with me and two, it's going to eat it me and.

And there's no reason for it. You already told her everything. She already knows. I mean, you're like, it's like it doesn't, you know what, that's the thing that doesn't make sense. I just had a guy on that I posted an episode, Chad, with the micro penis, but he had a girlfriend that really, and he was a cuck, so he loved watching his girl fuck other guys. And they were dating for 20 years off and on for a really long time, but he found out that she was like fucking guys behind his back.

And like, why would, why? Why? Why if you could do it in front of your person, do you go and do it behind their back? Like that's so twisted that like, you know, that's a deal breaker for people, right? And so you and your girl have been open about everything else. Like, you know, there's no reason to, go and do it behind her back, especially because you guys have been so open about it already. I get that she shut it down. You need to talk to her about that and you guys need to figure it out and you have to keep working towards figuring out a solution where you could still be who you are and remain in the relationship because you really care about her.

And like I said, there's a very good chance that you guys will be able to figure it out because of the stuff that she's done so far. history will tell you. Like look at what she, you know what I mean? Look at what she's done already. Like I said, maybe she doesn't want to fuck those other people. Maybe that didn't feel right with her. I don't know what was not right with her in the situation. Listen, if it was that it wasn't right with her that she doesn't want you to ever blow a guy, then maybe you have to look for somebody else. Yeah. I know I won't continue to do it without her knowing about it. So. Yeah, when you start to have that it and you feel like you want to do it or you start to be dreaming

about it again every fucking night, you know, you could say, listen, the dream. dreams were coming again. Like I just want to, you know, is there a way that we could have an open relationship where I do this with guys every now and then? I don't know. I would never want to do it behind your back, but like can we figure it out a way that it works? Or bring that toy back in. Like, I don't know. Is the toy anywhere close to the real thing? Probably not. It's not. Right. It's not at all. Right. Because you like the coming aspect of it, right? So, I mean, I don't know. I never had a toy that squirted. Like, I don't know is that does that give you any is it similar to having like being you know come real cum in your mouth a little bit you can buy the fake come which does taste pretty close to the same thing but the feeling and the pumping action and all that stuff is not there you know the feeling of right mm-hmm right so you would either have to come to the conclusion that like for you if you're a girl like the worst-case scenario she's like no I never want you to blow another guy well then how you

you get to make it work with her if you want to stay with her. And then I would say maybe, you know, spend more money and get something way more realistic. I'm sure for like 500 bucks you could find a dick that throbs and feels more realistic nowadays. I don't know, you know. And maybe that's what you have to do if you want to stay with her. But I would suggest like, you know, trying to keep it all on the up and up, you know, if you listen to my podcast, you know, the last person you want to be is like these poor guys

that are like 50 years old or 60 years old and still living a double life. It's exhausting. You know, you've only done it twice. But if you keep doing it, it's like you're going to be living a double life. And like I said, not only exhausting, it could be the end of your relationship. And if you really care about this woman and you want to, you know, be with her, it could end your relationship. Yeah, that's true. It's something that I've had to think about.

Yeah, you should think about it more. But, you know, more than think about it is I think you just need to talk to her. I think that she's the type of person you can talk to. And you guys need to talk to me. Maybe you're both, you know, it's weird that you guys, like I said, got to the point where you were, but you still at this, like, block. And that's odd to me. But I think actions speak louder than words. And I think all you need to do is have more conversations and you will 100% be able to figure out a way to make this work.

And you could continue maybe to see that guy. I wouldn't tell her that you saw him behind her back. But I would say that maybe you want to still hook up with a guy every now. then, you know, even if it's one time on your birthday every year. I don't know what you think you could do. Like, how could you be in a relationship with her? Like, do you think you could never be with another guy again? Would you be able, would that work for you if she told you that's the way it has to be? Right. You know, you get an urge. It's kind of that same type of deal. Mm-hmm. But this is all very new. I wonder, like, I mean, could it be just a phase? I don't know. I don't know.

do you ever wonder that are you still in therapy are you still trying to figure it out or is it pretty clear yeah and i do wonder if it's okay if any of the thought my mind goes to focus on something else in my life right yeah i wonder it's just really weird how a few months therapy and psychiatry with my girlfriend answering questions she's asking me so right but then the explosion like i mean to me what's so intense is that like you have had all this buildup to it and then you had these, this experience, right, where it's like actually happening now. And then you had another experience, like I said, which is like kind of off the charts because you had like three guys and your girl is there. And it's like, you know, so I just,

I think, you know, it might, if it's a phase, it might have to be a lot longer than it is right now only because you just started. You know, you liked it, right? I mean, it was good and not for you to continue to do it with that one guy. So, you know, please keep talking to your girlfriend. And keep me posted of what happens. Okay? Because, like I said, it's a little confusing. It's interesting, that's for sure.

But I wonder, you know, how your girl is going to feel when you bring up the fact that you would like to continue to be with guys and how you guys are going to make that work in your relationship. Because I think you will be able to. You just have to talk about it more. Yeah, it's a conversation that definitely has to be brought up. It's a scary thought to hear what she's going to say, but at the same time, at some point or another,

it's a conversation that I can't. Obviously, I can't keep going behind her back and doing it. Exactly. I'm too old to be doing that crap. Yeah, and I don't know if you're planning on marrying this girl or you have any intention of that kind of stuff. You guys are living together already, you know? I mean, you want to,

you know make sure you're going to you know you're with somebody that could you want to be with in the long term and and because of the right reasons you know because you're on the same page and she already knows what you're into so you've already sort of exposed yourself so much to her it's really worth it to really try to make it work with her and all you have to do is just continue the conversation like I said she said this is the last time what you need to say is okay it's the last time for you but does it need to be the last time for me. because like I still want to be with a guy every now and then like what's the deal like why is it was it the last time for you like can I still be with guys do you want to just watch and not be with the guys like how does it you know how can we make this continue to work that's what you need to figure out because you know she might have felt guilty maybe she doesn't want to be with the guys and maybe she'll be okay with you being with a guy she's already watched it you know I just think like I said it's not you've already done the hard thing, which is let her know about what you're into, or, I mean, you didn't even know, you know what I mean? You guys sort of figured it out together. So she's right there with you. Just continue to keep her there

with you instead of starting to go into this solo. And Kimi Post and let me know how it goes with that conversation. All right, thanks. What do we call you? Thanks, Joe. Thanks so much for calling in. Yep, no problem. Thanks for having me. Bye.

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