Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 410 - Phoebe is a Cuckquean

Episode Date: September 13, 2021

Phoebe is a cuckquean and she called in to talk all about it. What is a cuckquean? When did she realize she was a cuckquean? How did she break the news to her guy? Tune in for all the details which include how she realized late in life she was bi, how her and her boyfriend started having threesomes and where she found all the women, what they did with the women they met up with them, the things that happened that made her "mad" in the beginning and how they worked through them, the boundaries she created and how and why they only make things better, the types of women she picked to fool around with, the time she was tied up and forced to watch her guy have sex with another woman, how her and her boyfriend are also totally into bdsm and what exactly they're into including using collars and piss play and more, what's on her bucket list moving forward and a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of Phoebe and a lot of my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast with Kathy. If you want to follow the Strictly Anonymous podcast on Instagram or Twitter, follow the show at Strict Anonymous. And comment below. You're going to want to comment on this week's episode, or I want people to comment on this week's episode specifically because we're talking about cuck queens, right? And it's just something that I haven't heard about. from anyone. I've never had a cuck queen email me to be on the show. This cuck queen, who called in today, Phoebe, who I talked to when she went Googling looking for cuck queen information, she didn't find that much out there, right? So I feel like a lot of women who are going to be listening to Phoebe talk, they might realize that they're a cuck queen or they're looking for cuck queen stuff. And I want them to comment below because Phoebe wants to know there's other women out there like her. And, if you're a woman like her who wants to know there's other women out there like you, if you comment below, it'll make other people comment and then everybody will be talking about it.

And then cuck queens will be united. Is this fucking confusing? Am I talking in circles? Anyway, today I do have on a cuck queen. And I'm so, I was so excited to talk to Phoebe and I was so excited when I got her email because like I said, I've never had a cuck queen on. And like she said, there's not a lot of information about it out there. she talks about how she recently discovered. This is a 40-year-old woman who had very vanilla sex life before she met her current boyfriend. They've only been dating for about a year and a half, but they started to have threesomes and then she realized she was a cup queen. She loves watching a partner with another woman. And one time, most very recently, she had him tie her up while she watched this other woman have sex with her guy. And that's what she's down for her. She's also, very into BDSM. She's her and her guy. He's the Dom. She's a sub, have done a lot of stuff when it comes to BDSM. She talks about that. And she's got a lot of things on her bucket list. They have done some piss play, pee play. How do you say it? And she's done that with the girl,

too. She's really into women. They started out having threesomes because she had a fantasy about being with other women. And then through those threesome, she really realized she was a quote, unquote, coqueen. So that's what we discuss. We also discussed the BDSM thing a lot. And she sent in a lot of picks of herself, okay? And she does not disappoint. I ask her for her rating. She gives herself a score.

And when you see her picks on my Patreon, you're going to realize her score is correct. There's also an anonymous pick of her guy, which is totally cool. He's down with it. Gonna be there, too. So you could get a picture of the whole couple. You don't see any faces that are anonymous picks, but you'll see sexy photos of Phoebe. and her guy on my Patreon to see those. It's only $3 a month. You'll see pictures of her as well as my

previous guest on patreon.com slash strictly anonymous podcast. That's patreon.com slash strictly anonymous podcast. I'm going to put that link in the description below as well. So anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Phoebe. Hey, Phoebe. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. How are you today? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. I'm excited to talk to you, Phoebe, because I don't know. A lot people say the unicorn is the, you know, the one girl in a threesome that wants to be with a couple, but I say the unicorn on my show is the cuck queen because I have had probably every kink, fetish, lifestyle category on my show. But I've never had someone like you. And listen, you know, if you exist, there's tons of other women like you, right? But I haven't spoken to

anyone that's going to, you know, come clean about their desire, right? A cuck queen would be like your desire to see your guy with other women. I am always talking to guys that are interested in watching their girl with other guys, right? Mm-hmm. But not yet. Yeah. Well, so explain.

First of all, you're in a relationship now and this is what you do. Now, is this something new to you or is this something that you've always been doing? No, no, no. It's, he and I have started this together. So I actually grew up very traditional and I never had any kind of experiences like this until I met him. So how old are you? 40.

40 or 30? 40. 40. 40. Okay. So now are you guys married or are you just in a relationship? No, we're in a relationship. We've been together a year and a half.

Okay, cool. Now were you married before or in relationships before you never did this, right? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, exactly. Okay, cool. So how did it come up? So when he and I started dating, I had expressed to him that I am interested in women because I always knew I was, you know, and I just never labeled myself bisexual, religious upbringing, things like that.

And he encouraged me to go out and explore with women on my own. I thought it sounded wonderful. I would love to have that experience. They'll haven't yet. And I just told him, no, I'd feel more comfortable since he had had three some experiences. I said, why don't we just, you know, invite a woman in? And then you're there. We're there together.

I can have this girl experience. And, you know, I just kind of feel led by them because we're also a dom subcouple. So he's my dominant. I'm a submissive. And, you know, him being in control of the whole bedroom scenario all the time. Just it's so much more appealing and fun for me. So we started that way. We started looking for our unicorn, you know, and we met some women.

And, you know, we started playing with them. And I absolutely adore women. And it has completely confirmed, you know, my obsession for girls as well. So it's been a lot of fun. And then one day I told them that I had this fantasy to be. be tied up and watch him have sex with a girl in front of me. And we had at that point a girl that we had played with a couple times that I felt very comfortable with that I was completely smitten by.

And we made it happen. So that's kind of where that started. And so we've done it at varying levels since. Yeah, quick question though. I want to go back to the first threesome you had, right? So when you were doing the threesome before like you got tied up and watched him, fuck the other girl, and your threesomes, would he be? with the other women.

Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. So the difference was, like, you wanted it to happen, like, without you sort of being there, right? Like, that's what was different about, that fantasy of yours, right? To be tied up and watch.

Yes. And it was, and I don't know that I thought it would happen that soon or whatnot, but it's just something I started thinking about. And this was before I even knew it was a thing. Right. And I had never even, you know, heard of it. I just said, I would like to see if I could just watch. And I wanted to.

to be tied up because first I think the whole bondage thing looks hot, but then I said, I need to be up or else I'm just going to get involved. There's just no way I'm going to be able to just keep my hands to myself if I'm not tied up. So right. So you're being denied even to do anything or to get together. I did have a vibrator on the whole time. So that was fun. But yeah, but as far as being able to touch and play with them, no. Okay, but let's go back first. Like I said to your first threesome's now. This was a girl. Like, first of all, what happened during your first three-some, and was it totally great? Because this is the first time you're finally living out your fantasy about being with a woman.

Did you have any conflicting feelings about seeing your guy with another woman? I mean, how did it all go down that first time? No, not the first time. So in the beginning, I was the one who would, I guess, scout these women. And then I would actually go out and have some coffee or dinner something with them first and see how I felt about it. And then if I felt good, then I invited her to come. over. So it, and it was, that was necessary for me, you know, coming from never having this experience to be able to say, okay, yeah, I like you, you know. So I had met her. We already went out

for drinks and then she was, I hope this comes across right, but she's the first one and I think it had to be this way, but she was non-threatening. Like she just felt like there's no way he would fall in love with this one. It's just like, she's just be, you know, for fun and, and sure enough, it was. It was, it was great and he was awesome. And I never felt on the first one, probably for actually for the first two or three, there was not even a little bit of jealousy. I thought it was so fun, especially the first kiss. Like when I first see them two kiss, it was so exciting to me. And so I just thought it was great.

I had best of both worlds. And I knew he's having a good time. And so it just, yeah, it panned out really well. Right. But you remember, like, actually, because, you know, I'm thinking more you're going to talk about like your experience with the woman, but like the one thing that you bring up is like the first time you saw them kiss, right? So it really shows.

Yeah, it really shows what your interest, you know, that you have. had that kind of interest. I mean, that visual of him with the woman was a turn on for you, right? It made me nervous at first that I would be really jealous and would be really nerve-wracking. And the fact that I was just, I remember even in fact afterwards, we talked about it. I was like, I wasn't always been that way. We've had several reasons and since. And there's some that don't turn out really well. But, you know, for the most part, I think that's my favorite part is the first time I see them kiss. And then, no, there's no doubt that I love a woman's body too. So the fact that I get to do that in play and have both a man and woman in one night. I think that's really my favorite

thing. Right. And so jealousy, I'm assuming, has come into play when there have been women that you feel like threatened by, like they were maybe crossing a boundary with your guy or something? Maybe. And so I don't feel that there's any kind of threats that way anymore. We're very secure in our relationship. But it's more, you know, like if I felt in the moment, these feelings come up. And you just don't know, we're having a great time at dinner. Everything's going great. And then all of a sudden, oh, I'm feeling this. And now I can manage them a lot better.

But it's not so much any of that anymore. It was just like, okay, there was some nights where I didn't feel like I was getting the same amount of attention. Right. I hate sounding petty, but that kind of thing, right? No, that's normal. There's been a couple of times, yeah, there's been a couple of times, I think, when we're way too drunk. And, like, he fucked her the whole night, and I didn't get fucked once by him. And so it's fine if we're planning that.

and we're wanting to, you know, kind of go that way. But when it just like, hello, I'm here and he's my dominant. So it's not my role to say, hey, my turn. You know what I mean? So kind of learning the ins and outs of that. And it's been a long time since we've had a bad case in that sense. But, yeah, learning, there was a learning curve for sure. And how did you work through those bad times?

Was it all about communication that you were, like, felt comfortable going back to him and saying, hey, you know what? Why didn't you fuck me last night? Like, you fucked her all the whole night. And I wish I was so much more mature about this, but it usually was like when, you know, we'd walk her out, whatever, come back in and I'd like, you know, he didn't touch me once, you know, and turn into a big fight. And then the next morning we tried to work it out. Because you're still so high on emotions, you know, during that time. Or like, yeah, yeah. And he even told me once that there was, well, I remember once, you know, we were playing with this girl. He came. It was great. And then we started playing again, everybody. And he came again. And it was both times with her. Like he took, he took all the. time on her and afterwards I'm cuddling with her and he's kind of at our feet and he grabbed my foot and

I kicked them like I was so mad because I'm like I'm just freaking being polite to this girl right now you know leave me a lot and then that turned into a big argument so it's like it was unfortunately just impulsive in the beginning when I didn't like something um that I kind of let it out and now we talk about it before it's going to happen and you know it's never perfect but then I think we're just we're just trying to figure it out. I don't want to stop. He's told me to, you know, if this is something that you don't want to do, then let's just stop.

But I don't. So I'm like, well, we're going to have to figure this out. That's it. You know, if I don't want to stop, you don't want to stop. We're just going to have to figure out how to make it work with us. We have time. Right. Because it's not like you have those negative feelings all the time.

It's just every now and then, right? So you're working through them. And I think it is important that you could go back and talk to him and maybe, you know, not by kicking him and then that brings out the argument. That was terrible. Right. by bringing, I mean, you guys are fairly new to this. I mean, you've only been together for a year and a half, right? So how soon into your relationship did this start? So probably our conversation

to where I said, you know, I'd like to, because, you know, the whole, the whole dominance of thing was a completely new world to me. So we instantly jumped into, you know, this whole, and we go through BDSM and I'm trying to actually go deeper with him with it now. But so I kind of jumped into a whole new world with him from the beginning. And I'd say we started having conversations about this, maybe two months into a relationship. And then probably two, three months later, we had our first experience. Right. Okay.

So that was new for you too, being a sub and any kind of BDSM stuff. Exactly. Where do you find all these unicorns? I mean, like I talked about the unicorn thing in the beginning. I mean, a lot of couples have a really hard time finding single women that want to join in. I mean, it sounds like you've had plenty of them. A lot.

Yeah. No, we don't have a problem. Do you go to bars? Are you hooking up with them at like clubs or something? Where do you meet them? We find them all on apps, yeah. And my man, he's a gorgeous man. I feel like I'm a good looking person.

A lot of the girls tell them, you guys are a really beautiful couple. Like, it's hard to find a beautiful couple. And so I don't, I mean, not to come across in any certain way, but I don't, we've never had a problem. Right. So you put your pictures on there. People respond.

You've got these single women. You know, because like I said, I think that they call them unicorns, because, you know, a lot of women, maybe if they're looking for something, you know, they're, you know, they're looking for a relationship or, you know, so I just, I think that unicorn is called a unicorn because it's always hard to find. Right. And in the beginning, we just kind of, you know, let's meet, let's do this. And then I've learned to this point where I kind of laid out on front, like we're not looking for a relationship as it's casual. You may not hear from us for a long time

because we need to reconnect. So I'm putting that out there a lot more on the front end now so that there aren't feelings or attachments later on. But yeah. So this one girl that you were with more than once that you felt really comfortable with, that's the one who you lived out your cook queen fantasy with, right? Yes. So go back. So what happened that night?

Oh, my God. It was intense. It was so intense. Well, first of all, when we're getting ready for a date with a girl, I mean, the flirting is really heavy, you know, via text and stuff. And so just the whole preparation of, you know, she knew and she knew what we wanted. And she's actually very experienced in the lifestyle as well. So she was, she was very comfortable with this.

And I must say, I think the reason I was excited to try this with her was because she's a very good third where she cared more almost about me and my experience than she did about him or even hers. So she was very giving in that sense. So this was what made it possible. I wouldn't be able to do this with just anything that comes through the door. Like, no, this was very intentional. Maybe one day it won't matter. So she was awesome in that sense. But so, you know, leading up to it, we told her what we wanted.

She said, okay. She said she had done it before as well. So that was great. And, I mean, she's beautiful and he's gorgeous. Like, I just loved seeing them together. And so once we had, we worked together the three of us. And during our playtime, I just held onto his shoulder and I go, you guys kiss. You guys kiss.

And I just sat there and watched. And they kind of stopped them, try to play with me. I'm like, no, just you guys. So I kind of prep myself to see if I could do it.

Yeah. And I was having a great time with them. And I liked them both, you know, all the stuff. And so the day of, she actually had canceled dinner plans. We were nervous.

And she's like, but I'll come and just play with you guys after you guys have dinner. So it actually worked well because he and I really had a great dinner. We kind of talked it. We, you know,

we figured out what's, what's going to happen. And he was amazing. He got this, like, beautiful rope. and I put on this white lingerie that he asked me for and I, you know, I've had, it was beautiful and he just tied me up and I was like, okay, I love you. And he's like, I love you. And the next thing I knew, he was walking in with this girl and she was already naked. And I had this vibrator inside me, like a Kagle kind of vibrator. And he gave her the control for it. So that was kind of hot that she was walking in and she was controlling that vibrator. And it was just great. Yeah. And they had, and they were, I mean, they were a beautiful couple to watch, you know, in the experience. And it was so hard for me not to touch them.

Like that was probably the hardest thing. It wasn't watching them that was hard. It was just like, I want to play too. So it was fun. We've had many experiences recent since then, but have not found another one of her. She found a relationship, so she stopped playing with us for a while. But so we're looking for, you know, the next one. So that's kind of, these are all these reasons we're having,

there are, I guess, auditions for the next time I can do this. Right. Because you had many threesome with her before you realize she's. was the one that you could sit back, get tied up and, like, let her go to town with your guy. Yes. She was very, yeah, very intentionally we selected her. It wasn't like, oh, this girl, we never met. Let's do it with her.

You know, that wouldn't work. Right. You need to vet them first because it's a different experience having the threesome than you not being a part of it and having them be solo. It's so much, it's all mental at that point. Because I'm not about to have, like, physical pleasure. This is about me, like, bursting through this mindset thing, you know? So, yeah, it has to be somebody that I'm excited about.

My ultimate goal is to watch them out of a three. So I want to be tied up and watch them with two women. But that'll obviously take a minute to figure out. And what are you breaking through? Like when it's interesting that you say that, I mean, I don't really know what you're talking about. So I want, you know, so probably other people don't. Like when you say it's more mental, like you're breaking through a mindset. Like, what is that mindset that you're breaking through?

And how did that turn you on and how did it feel when you did break through it? So I think there's a couple days to it. One is the fact I don't own him. He doesn't own me. You know what I mean? I am just as turned on by women and men, so I'm getting a lot of visual pleasure from this. But I think one big thing for me is that I'm able to do this and still have a very fulfilling relationship and still be able to go about my day.

Nothing can own me. That I am so strong that I can see all of those happen. And not only does it not affect me, I actually can get pleasure from it. I think it's just in a weird. way just makes me feel better about who I am and my mental strength, but I can do that, you know? And I love to being able to give this to him. Um, you know, as, as a man, I know men are physical and a lot more visual and the fact that I can do something like this for him. I just think it's, it's really cool. I want to be able to keep doing that for him. Right. Now, in your relationships before, were you always like very

jealous thinking about your guy with another girl? Like, I mean, was it also like, you know, conquering that part of yourself or were you always like super non-jalous like not jealous? I don't know. Yeah, I think that's the thing with me. I've never been a jealous person. Never. I does it. No, I've never. I think it's, I think it's great that women think my man is that hot. Like I think it's fantastic. I don't want to be with someone who's not desired, you know. Yeah. We have women literally stop. He looks like somebody who's a famous person. And we have women stop and asks for pictures all the time. And they're like oogling him and grabbing him. And who does he look like? Oh, if I say, he'll know.

Oh, okay. Yeah. He looked like a very famous person, but he, and they grab him all the time, and we take pictures. And sometimes ladies, he's like, is this okay? And they're literally hanging all over him. And he and are just laughing and, like, oh, you have no idea. That's more than okay. That's just fine.

So, no, I've never been jealous in that sense. And my, when I have those jealous feelings during our playing time, it's not that I'm feeling like he wants them or it. It's just I want, I want it. I'm being selfishly jealous in a way, but I don't, I don't see it as a bad thing to be self. I'm not calling myself like negative. It's not like, oh, I'm selfish. No, it's, I just want it. I just want to be, it's my turn.

You know what I mean? That kind of thing. Not so much that I feel like something's going on there. Right. Like you said, that one time where he got off on her, it's like you didn't get your fill. Like you wanted him. Like, wait. What the hell?

And the funny thing is, that was with our girl that we watched. So that I watched. So that happened the first time with her. So see, even then. And so then it got better. And then I actually ended up really like. here so. Now, did you, you said that the sub thing was a new thing with your guy. You had never, I mean, you always had vanilla sex with all these other people that you were with. I mean,

you're 40, right? So you must have had other relationships. Yeah. I was married for a long time. And then, yes, the rest, it's always been vanilla. Always, always, always. So, yes, this is, this was a very new thing. But were there any inklings that you were into this kind of lifestyle? Like what? So, so I'm definitely, uh, submissive to the core. I think a lot of women, but the person I was married to was he'd probably be a great sub and he wanted me doing things to him and it just never turned me on and I didn't realize it's because I'm completely the opposite and then I remember what I'd be having sex with somebody and I'd be like you can hurt me you can go harder you know and yeah and people would be so weirded out by that um like what do you mean and I didn't know what I meant I just knew I wanted to feel a lot different sensation than just what we were doing so when he came into the picture. And from almost our very, after our first, we had a lunch date when we met. And then instantly that evening we started texting and he said, you know, you can refer to me as sir and gave me the instructions.

And I was like, holy shit. Like, yes, this is what I'm looking for because it was perfect. And then from the first day, just the trust that I had in him was pretty strong because I knew he knew he was doing and what he was trying to take me through. So it's been great. Did you meet him like on a lifestyle website or something or did you meet him? No. On a regular dating app. So I didn't, I wish, I wouldn't, I didn't even know a lifestyle dating app or whatever existed.

I didn't know any of this was a world. Right. And you hadn't had any kind of like. No. I mean, other than reading 50 shades of gray ones, you know. Yeah. Does that compare? I mean, I don't know.

I never read that book and compared to the real thing. I mean, I'd love to have that room that he had, but now it's a lot more intense than with the book. Right. But so now when, so you guys just started to talk about sex and what you were interested in like early on and it just turned out that you felt comfortable enough to express these feelings you always had because you did say you always knew you were into women, but you had never been with any, right? Before. Yeah, because it so it wasn't like that we really talk. He just said, this is how it is and I just was in something turned on. And I said, yes, sir. And whatever, the whole week we texted, then we had our date and, um, played our first night. And it was,

that was the most mellow of our experiences, I think, you know, other than our, because, you know, when you're in a domsa relationship, it's not like every time you have sex, it's, it's that way, you know, and a lot of times it is just a fun vanilla 15 minute experience. But for when we're in the, in the moment in the zone, I didn't get a collar put on me till probably our second or third time. So he actually was very patient with me, which is interesting because when we play with girls, we're like immediately, because, you know, we may never see this girl again, too. So it's like, look, you got to be into this or, you're not going to, but it took me a while. Like he, I remember the first time he called me a slut. I said, please don't call me that. And then he had to explain to me what that was. And now he called me a whore. And I love it. I'm mad when he does it.

So he's, he was very patient with me because I think he knew how much I, I don't want it and that I'd be good at it. And this is, you know, the direction that we're in. I mean, we mesh very well with our wants here. And with the girls now, are you, do you like to be a sub when it comes to the women too? Are they another, like when the third person comes in, are they both subs to him and he's the dom?

Or do you like to be the sub to the woman too? He's always, he's always a dom. So there's no question there. So there's, I have probably had like twice women who are able to be more dominant over me. There's maybe a couple times where we're equal, which I love, I love that where I can be just as dominant and submiss that she is a woman. But I'm telling you 90% of the time. And this is why sometimes their customs are unfulfilling.

I think they're just, they're just beyond sub. Like they just have never, probably never have the experience. So they don't even, you know, give or participate as much. And so it's, I don't like being dominant at all. So when I have to be dominant, in fact, we tease it, we joke around it because he's like, well, you're coaching them. You're going to be the coach tonight. You can't be the coach tonight because I'm like, do this, do that, you know.

Right. Yeah, I prefer the submissive role to the core. and then I do enjoy when we're both equally, like going back and forth, me, she and I, but he's always, he's always a dumb. Right. So he doesn't want to see you bossing them around because then I guess that takes you out of the role of being a sub and he really wants to see you that way. That's what I think. And, you know, and we've talked about it.

We've had a couple experiences with girls. So, like, it's not even submissive. It's just, they're just not even participating. They're just doing whatever. It's beyond, because I think a submissive is there to serve. And so that it's not just. that you'll do whatever we say. It's just that you're there to truly make sure that you're serving the person. And so there's a lot of girls who are so much on the end, the other spectrum to where

they're just there. And I do become dominant. And I've asked him, I'm like, you know, does it turn you off? Is any? He's like, no, of course not. And I think, you know, in the moment, like, we've got this girl here. So we're just going to play as much as we can play. But yeah, I think ultimately, if we find an actual dominant woman, I think that would be the biggest turn on for both of us, she and he can both, you know, be the ones over me and he can still be the dominant over her, too. I think that'll be, that's going to be the ultimate unicorn. That'll be the fun thing to find. Right.

And that girl, you'd want to be participate, be tied up, both? Yeah, both. I mean, I want to, I want to try it all. So I would love, like, seriously love to watch him out for some. It would be like an ultimate, but that has to be just the right combination and the right timing. But that would be my ultimate thing. But yeah, I would love to watch him many more times for sure and just have that experience. But she has to be the girl that I like as well.

Because there's so many girls that, like, you know, we've had, we have a threesome and we both have sex and that's great. And like, okay, have a good night. And it would have been so unsatisfying to me. And it just would have driven more of a wedge than anything, you know. So it has to be the right girl. Right. And you know the right girl because that girl that you picked was the right girl. You had been with her for a while.

How many girls can you count? How many girls do you guys have been with? probably 20-ish. And you find, now, do you find them all now on, like, threesome websites? I mean, where do you find them again? Regular dating apps, like, Bumble, Tinder. So what do they have in their thing that they have? Like, I don't know.

I don't know. I'm not on these apps. It's like, I sound so weird. I think people are curious, you know, and if you're, if you're on those regular apps, there are couples that pop up, and they're not always both attractive. Right. And so we do have that working for us in our favor, you know. So I think it makes it easier.

We don't have a problem with it. Sometimes there's a drought, you know, where it's two or three weeks and nothing. But then the next week, there's 14 people that we have a potential with. And then there's times where I need a break to. And like we're on break right now, probably for a couple more weeks. I also realized that there was a point where we were having one every week. And during Christmas time, we had three in one week. And it was just too much.

I said, I need some time in between. I think if we can do this like a once a month thing, it would be perfect. Right. But sometimes, you know, sometimes there's just, there's a lot of options. So we kind of like, let's have a date tonight. You want to have a date, you know? Breaks are also important to where I think for me to just kind of recoup and say, let's wait a couple weeks and then have another one.

Yeah. Now, is there something specific that you look for in the women that you prefer when you're like vetting these people or do you guys just take what comes? No. Well, he's as a. man, she just has to be hot, right? And then for me, it's weird. I kind of have a feeling right off the bat.

And there's been girls who, like, we match. I have one or two sentences exchanged, and then I just unmatched. I'm like, no, I don't want her. I don't know. There's something about it. And I'm not always right. Right. Like, sometimes I'm like, oh, this one's great.

And then we meet. And then I'm like, God, I wish I never met her. You know, so. And then there's some that, like, you wouldn't give them necessarily. Remember this one girl came in and she showed up in, like, these converse shoes. and young girl. So when they're, I don't,

I don't like the young ones anymore. Like, we also realize that, like when they're too young, it's just, I don't know. But she showed up and we're like,

oh, both of us, but then we played and she was actually really fun. So you just never really know, but for me personally, when I'm like,

okay, let's do this one, because he lets me have that because he's like, I just want to make sure you're the one who's into her,

you know? I just, I kind of have a feeling off the bat. It's not so much a look or anything. It's just really, do I feel like it's going to work. I do look for, you know, certain physical attributes.

Because he has an app and I have a couple apps. And so we're both looking. When it's, when he finds them, he talks to them as if it's me. So they think they're talking to me the whole time. Right. Which is kind of funny. And then he sends me their number and then I have that comment. And then I kind of vet that way. But when I look for him, there's certain physical attributes that I look at that I know he likes. It's just how I am. I think it's just my submissive nature. I'm like he would really enjoy her. He would really like the way she feels. You know, so I look physically, I look for girls, because I think, I think a woman's a woman. Like, to me, I'm, you know, whatever. But so I do do that when I'm vetting them as far as the way they look.

Right. And now, when you get these girls that you bring in home, like you said that you realized that you didn't like the younger girls. That one turned out to be good. But what do you find is the difference between the younger and the older? Is it just that the lack of experience or the lack of confidence? No, it's, they're just, I don't know, you know you're with somebody who's a, who's very young. You just, there's a difference between being with an older woman who's had experience,

who she's very intentionally going in, you know, and having this, this experience. And I'm not talking about like experience in the sense that you've had threesomes before, because I think it's hot when they've never had a threesome and they can't get to play with us. And we always joke, well, well, you're going to get spoiled with our threesome because we have a lot of fun. But the experience, like, for example, young girls are more exploring. They don't know if they're bisexual or not. And there's also women who aren't necessarily, they build say they're not bisexual, but they've played with women before. So if you're going to play with another woman, then I know you're really interested in that, you know, because there's just been time,

you can tell when she's not into that. And he's a very handsome man. And there's been times where I'm having this experience with the girl, and you can tell she's there for him. Like, it's just, like, okay, whatever. And he can tell and we can tell, and it kind of ruins the whole thing. Yeah. And I'm like, no, I want, I want, like, the girl turns me on so much. And I can tell. You know, if you're dating someone and you're courting someone and your work or trying to kind of go out with them and you start flirting, you know they like you if they flirt back. And that's kind of when you sense whether they're into women or not because there's some girls who flirt right back with me or they're always touching me. And he thinks that's hot when she and I are like that. And there's some girls who just don't.

And so it's like, oh, yeah, you're wanting to explore, but you don't really know you like this. A lot of the young girls are there. And so it's just not like I'm happy that they explore because I think it's. exploring is great, but I just don't want to be the exploration anymore. I want a girl who's already been with a girl, no, she likes it. Right. And wants to go from there. Now, now that you know that you're a cut queen, I mean, when was this first cut queen experience, quote unquote, cut queen? Because that, like, you would consider yourself a cut queen right now. Yeah. Yeah. You realize that's what you're really into. Like, when did you put it all together? Like, oh, that's what I am. I think after, so after I got tied up,

and then I started going crazy with research to see what this is, like, is there anybody else? Am I, am I crazy? You know, like, who else does this? So I've told one friend about our experiences, and she's the most non-judgmental person you'll ever meet, sweet as can be. And she's like, well, if it makes you, if you like it, but then I realize no, she doesn't get it. And honestly, even my partner doesn't get it. Like, he would, he's so dominant. Like, he would, he would, he's so dominant. Like, he would never want to see me with another man. Right. So, like, these cuckolds, I think that's fascinating to me because he would never, never in a million years, that's just not okay. And it's funny because a lot of people think that that's not fair, but I have zero desire

to be with another man. Zero. Like, the thought of it doesn't turn me on. I don't crave it. Yeah. It at all, there's nothing in me that wants that. So it's, it works really well for us. So I realize that there's just nobody to talk to about this and there's nobody to kind of give their insight. And from a woman's perspective, I hear, I do see a lot of stories, you know, from the man's perspective. Yeah. And it blows me away. And it's hot and it's wonderful. for them, but I found one girl online. I saw a YouTube interview of hers, and then she has a blog, but I think she puts like two or three articles on.

And I'm just like, oh, I wish there was more women who would talk about this, because I can't be the only one, but there's no real place for us to come out, you know, so. Yeah, well, let's see what happens when we air this, right? And what I love to be, right? Because we, especially on YouTube, that's why YouTube is so great for my show, because people could comment there, right? So you definitely after this airs. And it'll air ASAP because, you know, my female episodes always knock all the guys out.

I'm sorry to say. I have people I taped last year still aren't up for guys. But, you know, so this will be a really soon because, you know, your female color. And but, you know, this is a topic I've never had. And so all the people that are looking for stuff like you went looking. I mean, this is going to pop up in the search term, right? They're going to find this YouTube video. So they have to comment below.

You should definitely go see there. Yeah, it has to exist. I mean, before I started doing my show, I didn't realize it existed, you know, to the extent that it does with men, right, at all. Right. I had no idea. I knew guys like your guy, right? I said this recently.

I'm on a show. Like, all my guy friends were able to talk to me kind of like a guy. You know, I'm super open-minded and not judgmental. So they would tell me everything, but never did any of my guy friends. Yeah, I'd want to watch their, you know, my girl fuck somebody else, right? And but then when I started doing my show, I started to. to talk to these guys and then started to post these episodes and then I would hear for more. So I really wonder if after I post your episode, I don't know that it'll ever get to the point

where I have like there's like as many women as there are men. But, you know, I think I put this out, I'm going to hear from those girls. Those girls like you that are looking for other people that are talking about it. They're going to find this fascinating. Right. It's going to be the first thing that pops up. Right. Because like you said, when you went looking, you didn't find a lot of things. But they're out there. There has to be. You know, that's the great thing about. the internet that if you, you know, you think you're alone, you could go there in Google and you find other people. But you're saying that when you went and Googled, you didn't find much. Nothing. No, hardly anything. And it's so, so like everything has the lineup for, you know,

I wasn't out there looking for this. Yeah. You know, and I hope this relationship lasts forever because I love him and we have a great time. But, you know, if, if ever I were to make a transition, I don't know. Could I find this again? You know what I mean? Could I, it's such a weird combination. And it didn't start out like, okay, I'm going to want to watch you. It started out with me trying to be a submissive, you know, learning how that worked. And then the fact that he never thought it was, he loved the fact that I was bisexual. And I actually haven't labeled myself that until very recently, even after all these girls we played with. But I am, you know, I'm like, this is something I've been hiding.

So if that hadn't started, you know, even to this day, he encourages me to go out and have dates on my own with girls. And hopefully I can find someone that I'm comfortable with. but as of right now, I like just having sex with him and another person. Right. You know, so all of that had to be perfect and had to come together for this dynamic to turn out. So I think also that has something to do with it, you know. And I feel sometimes I read stuff about, you know, being bisexual and then how just because you're bisexual, the guy thinks, oh, let's have the reasons. And that's not necessarily the case either.

You have to be in a different mental state to want to do this, you know. And so, you know, there's too much that has to come together. but it's really hot and it's a lot of fun and, you know, there's a lot of different things we've done. So a couple things in the beginning, I would always wear a collar, you know, and he was my dominant, and I thought that was a very special thing between us. And so, for example, the first girl, when we put a collar on her, it actually made me uncomfortable. I'm like, so I'm just, I'm just a regular whatever, you know, so I had to overcome all those feelings. And now I'm the one who puts the collar on the girl.

And it's so hot. Yeah, like we had our last experience. It was a couple weeks ago. It was random, too. It was recently his birthday, and we were out late, and we were drunk, and we're, let's play on the apps, you know, and this is probably 1130 midnight. And we found a girl. She started talking.

She actually FaceTime us, and we're like, come over now. So she came over, literally, we never had this happen. She came over, and I just went on, I put the collar on me. I went on the bed, and he walked in with her, like, making out with her, holding her and all that, and all that, like, extended my arms out and put the, with the collar, and he goes, all that's so hot, you know, so he brought her to me and I collared her up. And so, like, it's been a whole evolution too, you know what I mean? Um, to be able to be where else it's going to go, right? Because I mean, it's not, I know. I feel like a year and half into it, you've already evolved so much.

But I think, like you said, it's out on the table, like for you to go and date someone on your own if you wanted to, right? Like maybe eventually you do wind up in a relationship with a female and him at the same time. I don't know. Like he's totally fine. I have zero desire. for relationships. And that's the also thing with these girls, I tell them to. Like, after we're done, something that we learned is for a while, we would have our experience. And then, like, the next morning we'd be like, oh, it was hop, blah, blah, blah. And then we keep trying to flirt with her for while. And I can't do that. I'm like, no, after we see her, she's got to go. And that's why I'm letting them know up front, like, hey, we're not going to be in touch very, very soon after. And then once

we're ready, we'll reach out. But so, so I have zero desire for a relationship. I don't want to hang out with these girls. Sometimes he gives us instructions to prepare an outfit for our experience. And so that's the only time I am having a conversation with her outside of our group chat. Otherwise, the three of us are only

talking together. That's one of our rules. You know, it's like you don't communicate with us individually. And that's for me. That's just for me to feel like, no, if we're inviting you in, like, to a very kind of sacred place and you have to respect that. But, so that's the only time we'll have, she and I will have

conversation if he says prepare certain outfits while I'm reaching out to her we're preparing it and it's funny because during those times sometimes we're on the phone together you know once I even met her at the lingerie store and I said let's make a video you know for first sir and so we did a little quick video letting him know what we got our outfits and he thought that was so hot but all of that makes me not uncomfortable but just I had no desire for it I'm like I don't really want to be your friend outside of this you know and he's in the beginning was like why you guys go out have lunch together you guys go do this together, you know, and I have zero desire. Like she, to me, and I don't want to sound shallow, but she is a body.

She is just an experience. She is just somebody who's there, and I'm hoping, but she's going to have a great experience. We're not like, oh, I don't care about her. We want to make sure she has an amazing time, but it's just an experience. You're not part of our relationship, and I don't want you as a risk. So if I'm going to have an experience with a girl, it's not a relationship. It's just like, hey, let's get together and let's fuck tonight. You know, it'll be that kind of thing.

But yeah, so we'll see. So his desire of you like sort of his part of him that's like says, oh, go, you could go out with women on your own. Like that would be like a turn on for him just knowing that maybe you're out there fooling around with a girl without him kind of thing and bringing that back to him. Yeah. Exactly. And sometimes he's like, I've even said, well, maybe we could FaceTime you while we're there. You know, I think that would be hot too. And he thinks that would be amazing.

I have to get over the block like, look, if I'm going to have experience with a girl, my head, I think as a submissive wanting to serve him is to say, well, then I should allow you the same privilege, and I don't want to do that. He's like, I zero, why I don't want to do that whatsoever. He's told me that a million times. Like, I just want you to go have fun, go do that. So I think if I

can get over that, then I'll have a lot more fun with women on my own, too. That'll be great. I'm sure it'll get there. So you don't want, when you say you wouldn't want him going out with the women a solo, right? Not on his own. No, it's like we're doing this together. You know, so. And at first, I would say in my head, is this something I need to get over?

You know, is this an insecurity? But I think I've learned that there's a difference between insecurities and boundaries, too, when we're playing. There's a boundary. This is something I'm not okay with. And it's not an insecurity. It's just this is the kind of relationship I want. And so that's been great. Like, for example, after the aftermath, right?

Like continuing to text and asking her for pictures and stuff out. Like, no, she needs to go. That's not an insecurity. It's a boundary. It's like, that's not working for me. when I was able to finally express that, he didn't even realize it was something that was really working in on me. And so that was great because now we don't do that anymore.

And now I feel a lot more comfortable leading up to a day and all that kind of stuff because I know that it's going to end, you know, afterwards. So things like that. There's boundaries and insecurities. Insecurities are those things that pop up in the moment. And sometimes they just pop up in random times. It's so crazy. And that's fine.

I'll deal with those and we deal with those together. And then just know what the difference of the two are. Yeah, I think it's important that you're being honest about that kind of stuff because I think those things do come up. It's like, I have a guy on here named Dr. Guy and he's called in with his girl. She's called in separate to and they have a very open relationship and they fuck other people. You know, but even and they're very into it, right? It's like they love it. Yeah.

But even them, they'll say like, listen, it's not always perfect. Jealousy and security. Those things do come up. And I think that people have to understand that. But I think, you know, what's the key to getting past that, right? other people to learn from you, right? Because you do have this successful, oh, it's an open relationship, right, with your guy.

But I think it's what you're saying, and it's very important for people to hear is that you create the, like, boundaries for everybody is different, right? I've had a lot of couples on here that they find it very important to stay in contact and be friends with the person, you know, and some couples like, you know, right? Everyone's so different. I've heard that.

And I just, I don't even know how they can do it. To me, I'm like, good, right. And I think it's awesome. I think it's wonderful. I hear some people go, like one of our boundaries is no sleepovers and then no vacations. I hear so many stories where, you know, the girl comes on vacation with, and I'm like, no. You know, we met with a couple for dinner a couple of weeks ago and they were telling us about like those lifestyle vacations where you go and everybody, you know, it's the whole point of the vacation.

And she goes, you would really love it because there's a bunch of single girls. And I'm like, no, that would give me so much anxiety that a bunch of single girls are walking around wanting to come up. Like, no, we're so intentional. about it. We pick the right one. You know what I mean? And she's got to go. Like after tonight, like, I don't want to see you for a couple weeks, if at all. So. And you're honest about that. To the girls, too, just so that they don't find, like, personalize it. Mm-hmm. That's, that's my whole thing now is like, you know, before we get into sexy talk, like,

hey, real quick, this is what we're looking for. How about you? Do you align with that? If they say yes, then we're good. Like, let's play. Because now you know on the table, I am not looking for relationship with you. You know what I mean? Don't get your feelings hurt. And if you do get your feelings hurt, it's on you because we laid it out. It's very important to me. I don't think he sees that because I think men and women just think differently about these types of things, you know? Yeah. And so as a woman, I'm like, no, I know what she's feeling. Even though it's just a threesome or whatever, she's still going to feel a connection towards you, me or both of us or something because that's what happens unless you lay it out.

Right. And so, yeah, it's very important to me that I do that all at first. I think sometimes she's like, no, she doesn't care. And some don't. Some probably don't care. But just in case, I don't, I'm not in this to try to hurt anybody or, you know, use anybody. This is all very mutual. Like the three of us know what we're getting into, you know. And then I feel more comfortable too. Right.

And that one girl, I mean, she was obviously the one. I mean, is she common in that or was she unique in that she was the one that lasted for a really long time? Because you did, right? You felt comfortable with her because you had. Yeah. We had her several times. Not very long, maybe three, four months, just a few times. And she wasn't our only one in between those that time either.

But she was just, she was the best third we had. Right. Like, she just knew how to be a third. And if I was a third, I think I would be the way she is. You know, she's responsive but not invasive. Like some girls will randomly, you haven't heard from them in two weeks and they'll send you a nude. And it's like, no. And then, you know, like, not interested.

It's the guy, like, I think he's like, oh, cool, that's hot. And I'm like, no, I never want to see her again. Like it's so weird, you know, but she was never like that and she was older. She was actually like a decade older than us too. And she was so I just love that she came from just being very mature and she knew exactly what this was all about. And so yeah, she was perfect. She was in her 50s. Almost.

She was almost. Yeah. Right. So this was a year ago. Yeah. She was 49. And she, and now on a scale one to 10, what are you? And someone told me, oh, when you ask people, Kathy, don't give them the option of a seven because that's what everyone chooses.

What would you say? I know your guy's a 10, right? Because you were talking about how hot he is. What are you? Scala Winston. Nine. Right. And the one girl, the threesome girl, you know, the 50-year-old almost?

She was an eight. Right. Yeah, she was up there. Mm-hmm. Yeah. She didn't have, like, she didn't have the, she was, her body, she had great boobs. She was just a little bit softer, I guess, I should say. We're both very fit.

Mm-hmm. But she was beautiful. She was a great face, like beautiful. And I love blonde hair. Like, I just, I die for women with blonde hair. So you do have a little bit of a type, right? Blonde. I do.

Oh, yes. Tall and blonde for women. And your guy, is that what he? Because you did say that when you're, like, vetting these people, you do look for women that you know that he would like that or his type. Does he have the same type? No, his type is actually, like, ethnic, dark-skinned. And I'm very athletic.

and like I have a very like um he he needs roundness he likes a nice big butt and so I look for girls with a big butt and I'm like you know look what I found you you know I get so excited when I find a girl and you see in the beginning I used to be nervous like oh he's gonna like her body more than he likes mine and now I get excited to bring that to him like look I have a present for you you get to you know fuck a nice fat ass tonight right it's it's awesome it's just like oh great so now he gets best of both worlds you know he and I have a present have a great loving relationship and every now and then he gets to have that. So I'm happy. And you don't have to worry about that anymore. It was something that you worried about before, but you work through it. Yeah, no, now I'm excited that I can, you know, give him that every now and then. So, yeah. And now how hardcore are you into the BDSM world? Oh, my gosh. I want to go so much

deeper. But yeah, I mean, I love getting hit and choked and like to, I, I love when he paddles. We have a paddle with spikes and I want to bleed. And I am the, my favorite kind of sex is when I feel like I'm getting raped. And he even says that kind of stuff, you know, when we're fucking. And I, so yeah, I love, I love it. I remember actually first I had told him once too when we were in the beginning. And I'm like, it doesn't hurt. It did. Like, he was going. hard. And like, it doesn't hurt. And he just stopped first day. He's like, what? I have a very, I guess, high pain threshold. And it actually turns into a very pleasurable sensation for me. So sometimes when we're with girls, too, you know, we bring out the paddle when we feel like that, that's, you know,

that they're okay way. We talk about it. Of course, at dinner, like, do you want to try it? Yes. You know, and some girls are, you know, more willing than others. And he'll, he'll hit her and then he'll hit me, like, we're both bent over. And he obviously hits me a lot harder. He knows what I can take. And I've had girls literally in between like, how are you doing that? How can you take it? And I just don't know the ant. I just, God, it's great. I think it's wonderful. We've had, we put, we, you know, do piss play as well. So a little bit of degradation in that sense is, is awesome. What is that? What do you say? Piss play? Piss play. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That actually was way hotter than I thought it would be. I totally felt ownership at that

sense and it's very, very hot. We did it with one girl once as well, and that was interesting to be on that side of it because it's something that I felt very connective between he and me, he and I, and then we had this girl doing it, and she was so winter. She was a young little thing, and I'm like, hold your hair, you know, I'm like trying to tell her, you know, and then afterwards I'm like, say thank you, you know, and so I'm telling her how to, you know, respond to it, and that was kind of hot too. We've only found one out of all the girls that was willing to go there, which makes a lot of sense. It's fine. But what is there?

When you say pee play, like, is he peeing on you or you peeing on him? Like, what's going down? I don't know. So at this stage, we've only found a girl that he's peed on both of us. Eventually, we want to find one where I can do it on her too. And we just go in the taste. Like, get on the tub. Like, that's like the instruction.

I know what's about to happen. And yeah. So he and I have done it also, like, in hotel rooms and stuff. But, yeah, so she was, one girl was willing. There's a couple girls who said they'd be willing and then just never got there. so, but she was the one girl that we did it with that was fun. She was just a very young girl. I kind of just never want to really play with her again, unfortunately, because I think she was willing to try a lot of things. She was open. And now this was something that you had

never obviously done before. So this is just all evolving as you get into this BDS in world. So he had told me about that, for example, here and there. And I always said, no, no, no, no. And I remember it was Christmas. I remember it. And I go, you want to do that to me? He's like, yeah. And I'm like, do you want to do it to me right now? And he did not hesitate. And he did not hesitate. he's like, grab me. So he's like, yes, if you're saying, yes, let's do it. So, and then from there, it's been, so yeah, I would love to go to, you know, even to go as far as go find a dungeon. And I told him I want more tools. I'd love to have a playroom, you know, and just have, you know, the benches and all that fun stuff. And I really would like to go to another level. It would be my dream to find a girl, like I said, who's dominant enough to do that to me. And I think he would really enjoy watching her dominate me. Right, like the dominatrix. Yes. And the reason I think it would be so hot for him because he, he's, he's, he's such a dominant woman and that he can then dominate her. I think that would be such a great dynamic. Oh my God. That would be so amazing. So hopefully we'll find her soon.

Yeah. And I mean, you could find dungeons, right? Sometimes like places where you could just go and sort of, you know, you're very intentional, right? So you could set that up in the way that you want to, right? And pay for it. I don't know, right? Yeah. And there's a lot of dungeons that aren't about the sex. It's just about the station play. And I think maybe we start there, you know, and then kind of build away. It's very exciting. And pain. can be very pleasurable. So, you know, and he, he's very, he was very also patient with me throughout it. And I think we've just learned having somebody that I can trust to that level. I know he knows my max and my limits. So, yeah, it's great. Yeah, no, listen, that guy,

your guy has really struggled with you, right? Has he had any of this kind of, these kinds of experiences with anybody else? No, not at all. And I think that that's why sometimes when I get frustrated or whatever. That's why we worked through it because he's told me, he's like, I've never explored sex with anybody to this extent with you. And he's a very experienced man. So, yeah, I know that it's not a typical thing. It's not something that you're just going to find. That's why I'm saying, you know, like the two of us, the way we came together, the way we're evolving, this is, it's not something that you can necessarily go looking for. It's because when we have girls over too, it's funny, I'll ask them. I'm like, okay, so if you get into a relationship,

are you going to have three sins with your man? Are you going to have another girl come over? And you know how many of them give me that face? Like, I don't know. I don't think I could do it. You know, I'm like, you're about to fuck me and my man. You know, and you're looking me straight in the face saying, I don't think I could do what I'm about to do to you guys, to you guys, you know? Yeah.

So it's interesting. Yeah, it's a different position, you know, that girl that's coming into the, you know, the relationship as opposed to the woman who's in the relationship and has the girl coming in, right? Everyone is into different things. It goes back to the boundaries. Like maybe those women know that they couldn't do that. Or maybe they could, you know, but everyone is so different, right? Right.

And then, yeah, I don't know that I could do it with just any guy, too. I just felt like this would make a really hot dynamic for us. I just thought, and I never thought we needed it. And he and I talk about this. I say this in too, like, I don't, if threesomes become our sex life, I'm out. I'm done. Like, I don't, I just feel like we have such a great sex life and we're so hot together that threesomes make natural sense for us to have.

if they ever replace it like that's the only time we're having sex is because the girl's coming over I'm done right that's not what this is about right right and that's important to clarify that right it doesn't make your sex life it's not what you guys needed no no and it's and I you know it has to I'm very bisexual like probably 60 40 women honestly like I told them too is like if you ever die because that's the only time we're breaking up but I said if you ever die then I'm going to be with a woman I think I'm going to have a relationship with a woman from here on out you know so I'm It wouldn't work also. I'd feel bad for women if they feel like they have to do this for their man.

And vice versa, men for women. Because if you're not into girls like I am, then it wouldn't be as pleasurable. You know what I mean? Like, I genuinely enjoy the sexual experience with a woman. So it makes it a lot easier. I mean, you're a sub, but you're not a sub because you don't want to be. I mean, like you're a willing sub. I mean, you're not doing this, like you said for your guy.

And like, because listen, I hear this a lot with when the men are, you know, letting their girl, fuck another guy. And then, you know, people will make comments. Yeah, but why doesn't she let him fuck other women? And I'm like, what I hear from those guys, right, the guy who likes to watch is the same thing that I hear from you. Like, they don't, they're not interested in doing it. You know what I mean? It's just that's how it typically works. You know, they don't want to they, it's like, so you don't, your guy, right? He doesn't want to be with other women, right? Like, I mean, I mean, not with other women. He doesn't want to see you with other guys, right? I mean, it typically works out the way that it works out, and everyone's happy.

Like, this is the way it works for you. You guys are happy. He doesn't want to see you with other men, and you don't want to be with other men. Like you said, you're 60-40, right? Yeah, I'm not interested in men at all. I'm very interested in him, and I could be with him every single day, and that's great. I just don't want another man. That's not something I'm looking for.

And that's not something he's looking for. No, and you know, also, too, is I think. think interesting to point out every single one of our experiences like this have been initiated by me he has never once come to me and say i'd like to try this never once he's told me you know of his experiences and things he's done and then i've come and say i'd like to do this now he makes it happen yeah you know he makes sure he coordinates it because he loves the idea but every single solitary one is like i'd like to try this i'd like to try that you know he he has been the one to lead me through um the bdsm world because i don't know anything about it because that's that's that's on that's on him

and I'm he leads me there but when it comes to other women every single experience with another woman is because I say hey I'm ready hey let's have a date um you know or he'll send me the pictures of girls that he finds on the app that he's on and then you know if I'm like yes or no and then you know that's it doesn't try to convince me about the one that I say no even though he thinks she's hot you know so that's really important too I think it wouldn't work and it's not always perfect like 90% of the time that's how it is every now and then we have scuffs and you know whatever and then we remind each other why we're doing this but I think you it's important to know like this is very self-initiated and I can't see myself ever saying let's just be

you know a me and you couple let's just be monogamous let's just never have another person um there's once we also had a girl come over just to watch us and film us um that i did not realize the level of like sexiness that would give me i love being watched and i also think that has something to do with threesome's because i love that there's somebody else in the room while he's fucking me you know what i mean And so when she came in to watch, I would love to find just more voyeurs as well, but they'd have to be women. We don't want another man in the room. So things like that. Yeah, there's a lot to explore and it's all been initiated by me.

And I am very appreciative of that. I hope that never changes. That's something that makes this work as the cut queen, I guess, is the one, you know, doing that side of the activity. It's just important that I have that because everything else is his control. So this gives me a little bit of, you know, comfort that I can do it. and I can initiate it. Right. Like it wouldn't work if you were like with a guy who's like such a player and is dying for

three and is like pushing you like like let's fuck this girl and that girl. Right. Like there. And that's what I, what I always say is like what I find with swingers or cuckolds or whatever that. A lot of times it's with people that aren't, you know, like the typical philanderer. Like that's not who these people are. No, not at all.

Well, and a lot of times people ask me how long have you had an open relationship. It's really hard for me to consider it open. We only play together. Right. You know, we only a thousand percent are always just he and I together. Now, once I start venturing in playing with girls, that'll be different. But yeah, yeah. So it's, I guess, kind of open in the sense that there is a sexual experience with another body,

but we don't have an open relationship. It's not like he's going on date. I was totally wrong to say that then, right? There is a distinction. No, but I think that's important that it, there is a distinction, right? Whereas open relationship might be, like that might be more. Correct, right? If that's the people that are going out and they could be with other people separately.

But is a relationship open when you're only playing together? Probably not, right? Right. In my brain, it doesn't make sense to call it open just because of that, you know? It's not very, it's not even liberal. It's not like he's like, oh, I have somebody coming over tonight. No, not at all. It goes, I have the conversation.

This is very much, he lets me have that front end, if that makes sense. So it's not really open in the sense of, hey, we have a date tonight. Once I surprised him, but he told me, he has. had told me already a million times that would be the hottest thing ever like we woke up one morning and i'm like guess what we have a date tonight he's like are you serious he's so excited it was so adorable and i'm like yeah and so i knew he would like it but if he surprised me with the day it wouldn't go well i'd like uh excuse me like no i need to vet or i need to so yeah that's why i i have a hard time labeling myself as an open relationship because there are i feel like there's a lot

of um and i boundary sounds like it's not sexy but i think it helps loosen the experience up it give us a lot more, you know, freedom during our experiences, but we do have a lot more boundaries that we're not just, we're not open in that sense. Yeah, in a way, it sounds contradictory, right? But the more boundaries you have, the more freedom you have, but it definitely makes sense if you really think about it. Yeah. And I'm very lucky, too.

Like, I love him and we have a great sex life. And I'm so fulfilled sexually in that sense in a way that I never have been. I'm 40 years old and I'm finally getting to feel this, you know? So I'm very lucky, too, that, you know, we found each other. and we connect on so many different levels. And this is just a natural extension of, you know, who we are as a couple. So it's great. Yeah.

I think it's really great. And you're super compatible because, you know, everything, all the pieces fit, right? Yeah. You're like the cuck queen. And he's fine with your boundaries. I think all that stuff is like super important to have a, you know, you would. Yeah. You wouldn't consider it an open relationship.

But you would say you guys are, you know, maybe in the lifestyle. I don't know. Oh, definitely. Right? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And, you know, Who knows, like you said, what will evolve later.

It's only been a year and a half and we're already that's comfortable. So who knows. But yeah, that's kind of where we are now and it's working great. Getting me excited for another date. Yeah, you need to start your cuckold, like blog or something or be that person out there, right? For people, because like you said, there's not a lot out there. But this is going to be out there. I think when you have more cuckold experiences where you're more tied up and you do that,

even more, you could come back on and talk again because we'll do a part two and have more on that topic because, you know, like I said, it's not a topic that a lot of women write in to talk about. I think you were like even the first email like I mean, I've had emails of, you know, other topics that I haven't had on and then the person doesn't show up. But like, not even. You're the first. Oh, I'm glad when I saw that you were looking for that one and I'm like, well, let me, let me, especially since you do this anonymously and you're able to do that, it's just so comfortable. And like, you know what? I was looking for this. And surely, there's one other girl who does this. And, you know, maybe I don't get tied up every time. But I do a lot of watching during our experiences. There's many times where they just get started and I sit at the bench drinking my wine while they start. You know, I do that a lot. Even in bed, sometimes I'll just grab my vibrator while they play for a bit.

Or if he gets her on her knees so that, you know, she's on her knees with him. And I'm just like, no, I want to watch. And he's like, you're watching. I'm like, yeah, she's so pretty. You know, I just get into the zone. I just want to see it. So I do watch a lot, even though, you know, in five minutes I'll be playing too. So I do pull myself out sometimes to see it happening.

And like I said, the first kiss and all that. So there's a lot of the watching the tied up part is a whole other level. And I can't wait to do that with a threesome, like where he has a threesome. And I get to do that. So that'll be fun. I'll definitely tell you when that happens. Yeah. I think the tying up part is a little bit of your BDSM thing.

But I think what maybe a lot of women will find out when they're listening to this episode too is maybe there will be like, wow, I never really thought of it that way. But maybe I'm a Cuck Queen, right? because I do like to watch or that's, you know, that thought or thinking about it when they hear you talking about it. Maybe they'll get little turned on and they'll be like, oh, maybe I'm a cookman. So I think maybe some women haven't even put it together, right? Oh, I would have never. I would have never thought I could do.

I remember we were texting when he was first explaining to me, like, that he's had three sons. It's very, very early on in our relationship. I have a text message picture where I said, you know, that's a hard no for me. Right. Like, I could never, I could never be in the room with you and another girl. And here I am, you know, like, yes. kiss him. Right.

So it's crazy. It does evolve and I think just being open to it is sexy enough. You don't even have to play. Sometimes it's just he and I, I mean, some of the stuff we're saying to each other. You know, he's telling me about the waitress.

He wants the fuck that we see every Saturday. And so then we're going to go out breakfast. We're never going to fuck her. She's just not, you know, but just like that kind of stuff. Sometimes it bothers me. Sometimes like,

do you have to think of other women to get turned on? And sometimes I'm like, wait into it. I'm like, show me how you're going to fuck her. You know, and he starts fucking me harder. And so it can be so much fun just playing with it in your imagination.

Yeah. You know, so that could be a great place to start for a lot of people. Yeah. So if you're a woman and you're listening to this and her, you know, her experiences kind of turned you on and you're like, hmm, maybe to try to even just start fantasizing it, right? And talking like through that with your partner, right? And make sure people listening, especially females, to comment below on YouTube. So Phoebe. no, she's not alone.

Is that the only cuck queen out there? Comment below. You're going to go there and do it. Now, if you want to send me anonymous picks of yourself to post on Patreon, you can. A lot of the women do it mostly because that's who people want to see. You know, no heads, nothing pornographic. People always send sexy picks for sure. But, you know, I won't, you know, don't send me anything, you know, X-rated.

No, no, no. You know, but something tasteful, send it. So if people want to see you, okay. They can go to my Patreon. But like I said, keep your eye out because this will be coming out like probably not this week because I have my one this week, but next week. Perfect. Yeah. That sounds great.

I'll send that over to you. Thank you so much for calling in, Phoebe. This has been great. Yeah, it's been awesome. Thanks for having this. I appreciate it so much. No problem. Bye.

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