Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 429 - Ty is Into Fisting, Swinging, Cuckolding and More
Episode Date: December 6, 2021Ty is into fisting, swinging, cuckolding and more and he calls in to talk all about it. How old was he when he first realized he was into fisting and when did he start fisting? When did he first start... swinging and what did he do with the couples he hooked up with? What is it about being a cuck that turns him on? Tune in for all the details which include how he fisted girls and himself when he was younger and where and how it all went down, how he hooked up with guys in his teenage years and what did with them, how he started swinging and where he met couples to hook up with, his experience as a bull and why he craves being a cuckold, his experience s as a bottom, how he tried being poly and what he didn’t like about it, his other fetishes including hairy armpits and p**** and must smelling women, his burning man experiences that include group sex fisting and a 7 person orgy, his advice on how to navigate the lifestyle, what he recommends, what he’s looking for in his future and a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at strictlyanonymouspodcast@gmail.com or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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sentences of what you want to talk about. Today I have on a guy named Thai. Now, Ty is really into
fissing, size queens, large insertions. And like, I've touched on that topic before just a little
bit. Like here and there, someone said, oh, I got fisted, but, and that was like it. I've never
had somebody on that. Like, it's really into it. And tie is. So that's an interesting combo that
we have. He talks about when he started fisting and then he started fissing like from the
fucking get-go. How word got out about it.
how he was into fissing, who he fisted with, how he fisted himself. There's a lot of stuff,
a lot of stories about fisting in the beginning. And then, you know, that led to him getting
involved in all kinds of things. He filled around with guys when he was younger. He got into swinging.
He met some couples. He talks about exactly what went down with them. He was a bull who always had
a desire to be a cuck. He's bought him for guys. He got into Polly.
And he's got a lot of interesting thoughts about the Polly scene.
You know, he has his own take on it, why it didn't work for him.
He's very good at explaining things and he's very good at big picture stuff.
So after I go in deep with all his, you know, backstory, we do talk about bigger picture stuff.
That's after he tells me a little bit more about his weird fetishes he has, like for unshaved armpits,
cotton panties, musky smelling women.
He's a burning man guy who talks about shit that went down there like group fissing events,
seven person orgy, uh, polyswinger parties that he went to.
Um, and then he gives advice.
He gives a lot of good advice and a lot of, like I said, interesting big picture
scoopage on the lifestyle and all that has to offer.
And, uh, he's a super interesting guy.
He's been there, done that with a lot of stuff.
And he's here to talk about it.
so I'm going to be right back on with Ty.
Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast.
How are you today?
I'm going great.
Kathy, thank you.
Yeah, thank you for calling in.
Now, Ty, there was a lot in your email.
Okay, so hopefully you're a good storyteller and you're just going to start with your story or I could, you know.
Yeah.
I mean, there's a lot going on.
Why don't you talk about how you got into all the stuff that you have been into in your life?
All right.
Sure.
Yeah.
I hopefully would like to get to where I can.
share a lot of advice with people and how they could proceed with some of these fantasies
or at least how to communicate.
Yeah.
But I do think going through with my story would be a great way to start.
But I do remember that you did say, oh, I love statistics and, you know, stuff like that.
So you are one of those guys that wants to eventually get on this show, which I do what I
typically don't do, but I don't mind doing is get like bigger picture and talk about that
kind of stuff and give advice.
But I think that that's great.
but let's definitely get your backstory first so people know that you're the expert
and why you are the right person to tell them what to do.
Because you have done a lot.
You've done a lot.
Yeah.
So I'm 41 right now.
I'm currently single.
I have a couple of distant friends with benefits.
I was seeing a poly married woman for almost seven years.
Before that, I was swinging through my 20s as a single male.
as a third for couples.
And I've had some other adventures like join Polly that were casual or after that.
There were more or less some women that met me in the Polly community,
but we did not form a relationship.
It was, I guess we were sort of kicking the Tars.
We had some fun since then.
Yeah.
But back in up, though, I'll go all the way back to my child.
because I think I think it's important a little bit because one of my first is
it's ice queen admiration I'm really fascinated by size queens as a boyer but just I
really grabbed the hold of my mind in my mid-teens so I think if I back up even further
anyway so I had my first kiss at five and then about nine years old some older boys
told me about sex.
So that's really where my mind
began to really think about things
and I just, I can remember falling in sleep every night
with wondering about sex.
And I was exploring my body.
Let's not get too much into details of like, you know,
when you were five, you know, but get to the point where you start,
you're like into size queens.
Let's start there.
So my first relationship at age, I was 15.
and then 16.
She had a very accommodating vagina.
I hadn't seen any forms before that.
Maybe watched one old school video.
And I had read thin house letters when I was about 11 a lot.
And I think that's where I informed my output a lot.
And what I was impressed by, I just had that in the mind where I was just impressed
with, I'd say, the physics of penetration.
But both her and I would try to fit my hand into her when I was 16.
And I was just, there was just as the internet was coming out.
I had no idea if this thing was a sex act.
That was, oh, fisting.
It's hard to understand you a little bit, but fisting.
Okay.
Fisting, yes, I had no idea that fisting was a sex act.
And it, yeah, it intimidated me.
but I was super curious.
And we didn't talk about it.
We were just, she, she enjoyed being fingered,
and I really loved fingering her.
And, you know, it really worked for us.
We all often hiding.
And, yeah, I just got really close several times.
And I said, I didn't even know about using Lou.
I mean, I knew it was on the shelves by the condoms
for whatever silly reason.
I didn't buy any.
Right.
But after that relationship, at the end of the,
that relationship, we broke up and got back together a couple of times.
And one time she slept with another guy.
And that's sort of where I think my couple of side started.
I was super curious.
I was jealous, but not necessarily super angry.
I wish there could have been a fly on the wall.
I asked her some questions about him.
She was happy to tell me.
I remember just really get into my head about it.
And that's where that sort of started.
And then I didn't date anyone for two years.
And then at 19, I dated a woman.
I went to the same high school as well.
And during our early times, before play, I was sharing her,
and she told me to try and see how many fingers I could put in her.
And I got really excited.
And I told that I knew about fissing because after I broke up my first girlfriend,
I spent more time on the Internet.
I had access to a friend's house.
And I came just sort of through reading about stories about big deal of those,
I stumbled across a lesbian fissing story.
And how I was just super intrigued that really turned me on.
And then online I discovered there was a book called A Hand in the Bush,
the Fine Art of Vaginal Fisting by Deborah Addington.
And I read that book.
And so I had that knowledge for the time I was in that second relationship.
And I was able to fist there with us and standing up in the bathroom,
my parents' house.
And it was...
We're really hot for both of us.
We did it a few times.
And other large options and concerts,
like shampoo bottles and everything.
She was really into it.
Looking back, I think she heard,
probably heard through the grapevine
than I was into that stuff
because after my first relationship,
I watched some forms with a couple of neighbors.
Some of my neighbors knew.
Well, my fascination with large insertions.
Oh, so maybe she caught wind
and was like, oh, I'm into that too, so I got to go, you know, get with that guy and then we could do it together.
Oh, yeah, probably.
I did that.
Yeah, that or I think she was just into me and she just, she was intrigued by that.
Yeah.
But, yeah, so that relationship was sort of short-lived.
And then I stayed single again for a couple of years.
And then I went to college.
And I put an ad on adult friend finder.
But at the same time, I started to.
dating a woman. And a couple of them were interested me. And then there was just one
woman that I continued to see. I was honest. I told about the other woman. I just kept
both of them informed. But I didn't tell her about my interest in swinging. I did in the
relationship, and she was not interested, but I didn't tell her that I had to add up. And so
I did cheat for my first experience.
that fall.
I was with a woman who's 39.
Her husband had a disability.
I was 22.
And I met with them about six different times.
And with the husband just watched?
One time.
Yes, the husband just watched.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I met them in a big parking lot the first time.
And we didn't have a drink.
We didn't go to dinner.
And I just agreed to take me to their house.
They trust in me.
And yeah, after that, they would feed me.
I would show up on the ticket.
Oh, my God, hilarious.
Yeah, and it's for her birthday.
I brought a couple of buddies alone.
How many?
And you all fucked her?
I mean, like, what went down?
Right.
Yeah, two guys.
I brought out two other guys.
Uh-huh.
And, yeah, we took time.
I guess you even said ran a train.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the train.
A train owner.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, I was happy to get some voyeurism in there.
One of the guys was rumored to have a big cock,
and he would swing it around,
in the dorm, supposedly.
I hadn't seen that, but he was out of his past.
And it wasn't that big, actually.
That's definitely.
Well, that's because you're such a,
you're like into that huge insertion thing that, you know.
That's true, too.
That is true, too.
It's all relative.
Yeah, it is all relatives and what people have seen and dinner.
Yes.
And when we had a good time.
Yeah, I don't know if it was like super spectacular,
but it was for 40th birthday.
and I sure enjoyed it, and the other two guys enjoyed it.
After that, it was, I guess, two years.
It's kind of every other years in my 20s.
I hooked up with a couple.
But first, second and third couples were two adult friend finder.
And then after that, let's think a lifestyle, sort of closer to 2009,
before 2009, a couple more couples in a different state in New Mexico.
So what happened with them?
That's the first time a guy, well, I was not the first, actually.
He took my cock before I fucked his partner.
Oh, okay.
And I thought maybe the first time I'd done buy stuff.
But there was couples before that where the guy was interested in by the second couple I was with.
Yeah.
The guy, fuck me.
Well, you didn't say that.
That was a long time ago in your story?
Like, so one of your three sons that you've had with the couple, the guy fucked you in the ass.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was the second couple.
I was with.
And then the third couple was heterole.
But he was much more.
more of a cuckold, actually.
So I was, that's when I learned later that I was being also with some of these couples,
they were looking at me as a bowl.
I did not know the word cuckold.
Yeah.
Until after I was waiting, nine couples.
And then I could see, I could see the pattern.
And I had to finish since my, my mid-teens.
Yeah.
And I was, I was really wanted to be the watcher, and I wanted to have a spouse that's done all this,
but I didn't.
And, um, anyway, and I was happy to be with these very women by their cousins watched.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Did you know that you were into guys, though?
I mean, before, like, that happened with that guy?
Yeah, that's what I was going to with, with my younger stories.
Yeah.
My first sexual things are touching genitals and all is with guys, even though there was no arousal.
But then I exploded in my teens.
After my relationship where I tried to fist my girlfriend, I ended up fisting myself that year.
And then that's a guy.
guy in a neighborhood that was, he was really quiet guy, but a big guy. And I don't know, I just ended up telling him about my interest when they're talking and he, you fisted me.
Oh, a couple times, different occasions. So, wait, wait. Yeah. Okay. You have a lot to talk about. So we're missing some important things. So after you fist your girlfriend, you fist yourself. Now, did you do that in front of her or did you go home and do that, you know, by yourself?
No, I did it myself. Okay, so you did it yourself and then you're telling your guy friend, oh, I'm
I defisted myself and he's like, oh, let me fist you.
And then you guys fist, he fisted you.
Yeah, I started telling about my porn interest first, like what I was interested in the
types of porn and large insurgents.
And then he seemed just quiet but also fascinated.
And I thought that I could even do it to myself.
And, yeah, I just kind of baby stepped it that way.
Wow.
Was it a one-time deal?
No, two or three times.
Okay.
And he did that.
Yeah.
But by age 25, I got interested in poly, but I was still meeting up with swinger couples.
And I was, the women I was dating out coming about poly and they were not interested.
But they were interested in swinging.
I started to meet women interested in swinging at age 25.
Yeah.
It wasn't until I got to a big city when I was 29 that I started mingling in the poly community.
And I was, and then that year I was with probably about three couples swinging.
I was sort of my last swinging.
There was a couple of my mid-30s that were around.
They were kind of hovering around the Polly community, but they were casual with me.
And we had a three-son.
That was the 10th couple I was with.
But, yeah, I got arrested in Polly at 25, but until 28 and 29, I had Polly dates.
And the 29 got serious with the married woman.
And I was one of her secondary partners.
She had another guy that she had been seen a year longer than me.
And her husband had always had two or three partners.
And everybody dated separately, unless.
that was planned ahead of time to have a, like, a dinner out together.
I've only had two threesomes.
Actually, not.
The end, she dated a trans male guy, and we had probably four or five threesomes together.
But her cisgendered heteros guys, we only each had a threesome with her.
Yeah, it was mostly all separate, but really good people in the pilot community.
But did you ever have?
I mean, that's like you being, like you were pulled into a relationship where somebody was ever into a relationship.
Did you ever have your own relationship and then you and your girl went out and sought, you know, somebody to bring in.
Did you ever do Polly that way?
Or was it always you going into other couples relationships as a third or fourth or whatever?
For six months, I had a girlfriend and she was seeing another guy.
But I was like her primary partner.
We were kicking the thoughts to be that.
Right.
And then you were still seeing that other woman, the married woman, while you were with her?
Yeah, that's very Polly.
I don't know how you guys could keep that shit going.
I mean, that's a lot of work.
Right?
It felt, yeah, cumbersome.
It felt quite cumbersome.
And in my experience, the people that, the couples that are monogamous and try to open up to be very egalitarian and they don't want hierarchy, which is kind of the way the Polly community leans.
Yeah.
It's extremely tough for them to keep their relationship, their marriage,
if they're trying to be super egalitarian.
I'm sure if people want to throw rocks at me,
but my experience, that's how it goes.
I know a handful of couples that have pulled it off for years,
and I've been to the Pacific Northwest to conferences,
you know, in Texas conferences, and I know a lot of people.
And it's, you know, there are a few people.
You know, they communicate extraordinarily well,
and that's almost their hobby.
That's what they do.
Right, but when you say igla, what was that fucking word you use?
It's like confusing.
Egalitarian.
Egalatary, what does that mean?
They don't want to have much hierarchy.
They don't want to give any more importance to one partner than the other.
They sometimes say that, okay, well, so they're only share finances with this one partner,
but everybody's equal.
And that's fairly a common goal.
that's what their initiative is.
There's a lot.
You know, not everybody, but a lot.
Yeah, of course.
Because how else could it work?
You know what I mean?
I would think that that's the whole point of Polly, right?
That you could love more than,
and love is never, you know, if you love someone,
once you cross that line, I mean, how different is it from one love to another?
I mean, you can't say, oh, I love her like this much, but I love this one.
I don't know.
You know, it's kind of like love is love.
So once you're going to...
Well, that doesn't make logical sense.
but when it comes to sharing a household with someone,
and I think they're running the difficulties in the long run,
and it might be seven years down the road,
but it ends up running into a lot of difficulties.
I find the people that do more hierarchy, like Swingers, this hierarchy,
but there's some probably people that have hierarchy, too, in that.
They keep their primary relationship high and way and above.
I know a couple that have been together in 30 years,
and they've been open most of that, and they're hierarchical.
He's more important than anybody else.
and that they're doing great for that long.
Yeah, you're saying you've seen it work more when they do have the hierarchy than when they don't.
Yeah, I think I could totally see why that would be the case because I do think it would be very hard to keep it in that way.
Like you said, yeah, it's very logical to say like, oh, we're all just going to love each other, you know.
But, you know, I think that that gets confusing.
Yeah.
Exactly. Exactly. But in my life, I'm kind of drifting back towards swinging or as they're friends with benefits. I'd like to have a primary partner, an open relationship, and mostly actually with her being with other people, I'd be happy just two or three times a year. If I could dabble, it would be great at a festival or a hot tub party. But other than that, I'm really a voyeur and much more of a couple.
So.
Have you had a true cuckold?
No, there's still much more.
You went to Burning Man.
You've done an orgies.
But wait, have you been able to find a woman that you had a long-term relationship with?
That you could be a couple.
Not spouse level.
In 2019, I started dating a woman.
We dated for a year and a half, and she dated my friend.
And he's more dominant than I am.
But I'd never, I'd already have a reason with him.
so it didn't give me any angst.
Like the cook wants to feel angst.
I'm glad about it.
And yeah,
and almost would be intimidating.
And although, you know,
she was with me first and she was my girlfriend
and she started seeing him,
I could just go to sleep.
There was no problem.
Wait, so tell me about that ink thing.
So as a cook,
for you, it's not just the voyeur and you
that wants to see the action.
there's a part of you that maybe it's a sub in you or whatever that also wants to feel some sort of like oh i wish you i don't want you to do this but you're doing it anyway kind of thing
that's correct yeah i don't know like i don't want you to do it no it's just that it is more of an exciting ride when it's a little bit intimidating it's just like going to a theme park people can go to a theme park and they're going to want to ride and they're going to want excitement they want to go on a lot of
on a roller coaster that is somewhat scary.
They're going to make it through, though.
They don't want to go in one that they're not going to make it through.
They're going to throw up their guts all over the place.
So that's really the ideal of the Cuck situation is to be facing a situation that is
a bit scary because the person is somewhat intimidating because they're very attractive
or they're generally, you know, the other person to be strong in ways that you're weak.
Right.
And that's where it's the mind book right there.
And, yeah, so.
That's interesting.
I mean, you're very good at explaining it.
You know, that really helped me see and understand.
No, seriously what you were, what you mean, you know?
Yeah.
So, yeah, it has to be that.
So, yeah, I've seen her for a year and a half, and it just wasn't.
She didn't see anybody else, and she saw him.
And he's a more dominant guy and all.
an alpha thought, but I just know him really well.
And it's just, it wasn't really, you know, much of a couple of situations due to that.
Right.
And that's what you like ever since that cheating scenario that happened to when you were super young.
Right.
Yes.
Because I was 16 and I got really interested.
We were broken up, so she wasn't actually cheating.
But it was, you know, the woman that I was really infatuated with having sex with someone else.
And I was just super curious.
I mean, curiosity really does occur a lot.
It's, you know, voyeurism is probably the top, the top reason.
Uh-huh.
Pulled into it.
And, you know, second, it's breaking a taboo.
Yeah.
The third thing, we feel, a lot of us, we feel this is human, human nature for a lot of people not to be sexually monogamous.
Even if it's not polly, but just the philander and all that.
And we see that we're giving a gift to our partner in a lot of cases.
And then when they come back to us, it's reaffirming.
You know, they still choose to live with us or be our, you know, our primary partner
and want us to be primary in their life.
It reaffirms to us a lot of times.
And it feels good.
It feels like a child to maybe whether we're experiencing cheating or what we see in society.
Yeah, that's interesting.
Yeah.
Now, your...
The voyeurism.
Yeah.
Okay.
No, you go ahead.
The voyeurism.
But I'd say,
vortism could, you know,
could be breaking down
into a lot of, you know,
reasons why.
And this is one person,
one of your guests touched on,
and they said,
living vicariously.
And that's one of those main things
that I wanted to express
with cuffing,
and I think it's sometimes not covered.
And I wish even some of the researchers
and, you know,
and our future scientists
had a look at this.
I think,
you know,
lives vicariously through both partners,
not just one.
And they did,
they have expressed in some cases
how,
he's living vicariously through her to be with men because he's bi or he had repressed homosexuality and so on.
And there's some that'll be that way.
There's some cooks in that boat.
But like I've had one-on-one hookups with guys in my late 20s from Greg's List.
And I've kind of reached the end of where I wanted to do some of that.
I got, you know, I dealt with what women deal with.
I was lied to, you know, a little bit manipulated at times.
It's just like, eh, you know.
People are not always true.
with their profiles.
Yeah, you're like, oh, now you know what, girls go through all the time for us.
Yeah, I have a lot, much more sympathy for women that are, that are online and looking
for a casual hookup.
Yeah.
You know, because I got, as a bottom, I was hooking up with them as a bottom.
I got some of the same shit, so.
Yeah.
But I was going back to living vicariously, though.
You know, we also live vicariously through the bull.
I mean, the bull has a lot of sexual prowess.
ideally, you know, and maybe a lot more stamina.
That's the common thing, too, is stamina that people look for in a bull,
but offer his energy and talking to him,
and he's able to hook up with a lot of women or just be really confident sexually,
and to be able to witness that, it's like I said, being a fly on the wall
and seeing what goes on in that kind of sex.
Like at least the cook idealized the sex where the most idealized
where the bull is well-endowed.
And there's some that don't, but the most common thing is stamina.
They can last long.
A lot of crux don't last that long during intercourse.
And even if there's some crubs with a large cock, I would have to say that's the
the most unifying thing that gives crook angst is it has to do with intercourse.
And it has to do with, they generally feel that they're weaker in some way about intercourse.
Oh, interesting.
It's not that, just a really small percentage is just about the bull being just a alpha male.
But that's usually like a side thing.
And it's almost always primarily about the penetration.
And like I said, that's not always about them being bigger.
And because there's some, their partner has a shallower vagina or the cook has a larger crock.
Or they just not into that aspect.
They don't dwell.
I should say they don't dwell on size.
Yeah.
But, yeah, the cooks live vicariously to both.
I mean, there's even a small percentage of us cucks that we've spent more than just a little passing time wishing we had a pussy ourselves.
So we're sort of living through our partner and what she experiences and enjoying that.
But other portal of lawyers and too is some of those may have had in our strict upbringing.
you know, really, really women that we feel were really uptight about sex or at least we were taught.
We were thought that they were not as interested as men.
And so we really like seeing women that are liberated about sex and that are lustful.
Right.
You know, and they have an appetite, a strong appetite.
And it's not just for us.
Like, we want to flip that on his head, how we grew up seeing how everything, you know,
was all the male was the lustful one, and the male was the one willing to take all the risk.
but when we see and are we with a woman,
that's willing to take some risk and she has a lot of lust and appetite for sex.
We're excited about that and, you know,
some of us were drawn to deal with a woman like that.
And so that plays into the voyeurism a lot too.
And also, like I said, living vicariously somewhat and experiencing that.
Yeah, it's even interesting.
I think it's hard to wrap your head around what you said before,
but it's important because I've heard it before.
And it's always like stop me in my chalks.
Like, wait a second.
Can you just say that again because my brain has to really understand what you're saying,
which is when you say like there's a part of you that maybe wants to be with a guy as a guy
that you're looking, the voyeur, right, and you're imagining yourself as a guy.
But there's also another part of you that wants to have a pussy and be the woman.
That's a totally different thing.
Right.
Yeah, it is.
It is different.
I'm projecting possibly because I know I am in my lower 20.
I experienced it for a year or two, or I wished a little bit more.
I didn't feel trans.
I don't think I had genital this for you, but I wished to have a pussy.
And I've also just been fascinated about the pussy, as I said, through large insertions and everything.
Yeah.
And then on to how different women orgasm or how my partner, my orgasm in different scenarios.
And it's a geeky look at it.
It's like just very big, I guess, you know, really quite a geek about penetration and all that.
And possibly like it's having a pussy myself.
And I think all the other cooks are in that boat.
They might not even realize it or articulate it that way,
but they're fascinated with penetration a lot as well.
And to some extent, it may be thought that, you know,
at some point in their life, they would enjoy being a woman.
And, of course, some of them do cross-stress,
and they get into that sophistication.
And for a lot of them, that crosses into humiliation.
For me, it's not humiliating.
I dabbled.
I don't know right around age 29 a little bit
cross dressing in more of a hippie way
Yeah
But it was fun
It was just a real grandious thing to experience
At the local Burning Man
Events and stuff like that
Oh yeah
I remember you said something about
You did a lot of shit at Burning Man
And then you also have like your little
You called them tamer
fetishes that you were into
Which are very out of the box stuff
That I had never heard of
But they kind of go with what you were just saying
With the whole hippie thing
right? Is that you like unshaved armpits and cotton panties and right and stuff like that.
I mean, explain that kind of.
And natural musky women smelling.
Yeah, yeah.
Definitely.
Yeah.
My first girlfriend had quite a bold scent and she didn't shave.
And I just convenient because I had smelled women's bodies a little bit before that.
When I finally had it, I was like, oh, this is, you know, this is how a woman smelled.
And I just loved it.
And it might have been to the extent that some men would have been put off, but maybe not.
And it wasn't bad, like sour, sweaty, but she had a full musky scent.
And then later in life, I still like that, and I don't encounter it that much.
So many women, you know, work hard possibly.
Oh, of course.
Yeah.
And definitely shave a lot more, so it's not, they're not encountered much.
I mean, even less than swinging, because it's such, it's so common to shave and be bare and swinging.
And a minority have to be fair.
So let's encounter there.
And the poly community,
the poly community is a little more hippie.
You'll encounter it a little bit more.
Yeah, that does more my,
I consider almost like vanilla fetishies.
Yeah, well.
And Harry Booty and sand and rimming.
I like to rim.
If I'm,
if I'm attracted to a woman,
I'm happy to lick a lot of ass.
It excites me.
Yeah.
But wait,
and so you've been to Burning Man.
I mean,
you're kind of are like the Burning Man type for sure.
Well, yeah, I haven't been to the big burn, as we call it.
I've been to the regional burns.
So around the United States, there are regional burns.
A lot of states have a regional burn.
Really?
With about, say, like, 3,000 people in attendance,
and it's not as harsh as going to the desert.
Generally, my, you know, wooded area.
And, yeah, I've been, I've gone to those of 10 years,
you know, a couple of years, typically in the regions.
Yeah, it's a blast.
And, you know, 10% of people are,
or naked or half-naked and there's a lot of art as you've mentioned on your previous.
Yes, it's pretty amazing.
It's greativity and it's really, you know, it's really fascinating.
And you're able to live as a tribe there for however many days, for four days or so.
And you typically don't get annoyed with each other because it's a short period of time
and you're all bringing a lot of extra resources and you're really excited.
So it tends to be, you know, a good way to experience, it's almost like short-term group living.
Yeah.
If we stayed there any longer, we'd probably be arguing.
Right.
It's like, it's like the honeymoon phase, right?
It makes you think that this would be like amazing.
You're smart enough to know that if you stayed any longer,
it'd be like Lord of the Flies.
Right.
I think so.
I mean, they might not all agree with me, but I've lived in somewhat similar situations.
And now a little bit more hippie and group living where I live.
it doesn't always work out.
I didn't know that they have small regional burning mans that take place.
I had no idea.
I'd never heard.
I just know of the big one because I know people, you know,
I'm here in New York City.
I know people that have gone to that one.
And those are the people that told me about it.
I couldn't believe, like you said, besides all the sex that goes down,
I mean, there is this amazing art and all the paraphernalia and the things that people
set up.
I mean, my brain, I just couldn't even, like, again, I was, like, amazed at, like,
the brilliant genius shit that comes out of what's going on there besides like I think a lot of people
that aren't in the know or don't know somebody that's ever gone there and didn't you know they just
see it as one thing or they just see the pictures but really there's so much going on like I said
with the art and these brilliant people doing these creative scenarios and stuff you right
I mean it's amazing right it is so creative we just never
know what you'll walk up on like that.
I know that you said that you've done like small orgies and stuff like that, like that.
So all that kind of stuff takes place at the regional ones as well.
There and there's some camps that are sex camps where there's different beds that up.
And, you know, there's some that are more visually open.
People walking by can see in some that are more closed.
But no, with some former poly who say metamores, like the guys that dated the same woman,
although she's not in the picture anymore.
after she moved out of state,
they invited me to some little get-together,
so we had a seven-person orgy.
Another one of my friends would host swinger parties,
and he would invite some poly people
because he was probably most of his life,
and then he started swinging more in his later years.
And so also his house was a little bit of an orgy place
and a hot tub and all that.
So a bit of that.
And then king parties, you know, in most big cities,
there's a lot of good kink groups and people can find them on Fed Life
and find a look up their kinky calendar and you know go to kink clubs and not all of them
have sex play areas or sex is not necessarily going to go down every month but
I've seen some stuff and I haven't I have one on one sex I mean behind closed doors at a kink place
but um I'm one of the most exciting things I saw that was like my first
the first month
on the king parties
in the city
and,
you know,
being interested in the fishing,
I hadn't watched anybody else
do it in person
and,
uh,
this house was,
there's a three-bedroom house
with about 80 people in it,
so it's quite packed.
And at midnight,
the living room opens up the plate.
Before that,
you have to be in the back rooms.
But at midnight,
it opens up,
and this guy starts wrestling
on a woman in the living room,
and they're laughing and giggling
in his wrestling with her,
and he ends up fissing her
in front of,
everybody in the living room.
And it was amazing to see.
And of course,
you know,
this is pre-consent.
They had that in their relationship.
She was actually a Polly partner of this couple.
And at one point,
the wife came and helped hold her down a little bit.
But it was really impressive.
And, you know, Fisting was a regular part of their sex life.
I found that after the fact.
Right.
Yeah, mind blown.
I was so excited to be that.
Yeah, because that's been your thing since you were super,
young.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
So, and now I'm a little bit less.
It's like my last relationship.
I've done some more fisting and it's fun.
It's squeezed the hell out of my hand.
Uh-huh.
And I'm still fascinated.
I'm more of, uh, really, if I could see one woman fist and another, it's
to blow my mind more than me doing it myself.
But yeah, I definitely still into it.
But, uh, yeah, I encourage people to look at peak parties in their studio to get the chance.
And then, you know, it's just BDSM.
maybe it's not for everyone, but
definitely think it's fun
that way. So some of the group things
I've seen have been around has been that.
But the RG is mostly
just with the former
poly peeps and their new girlfriends.
Yeah.
You're so casual
about everything you've done. I mean, you've like
been there, done that everything. I know,
I love your, you know,
typically I just like to pick apart someone's story,
but you're really good at explaining
things that are bigger picture.
So, you know, keep going down that path because I think it's super interesting your take on everything since you've been so exposed to everything.
Yeah.
Wow.
Well, it hasn't been easy to find these communities and, you know, to have all these experiences.
But it's just, you know, I just took my risk.
I was honest about what I was into.
And at the beginning, I didn't, I wasn't finding people that were into the same things except for three cents.
You know, there were some women that were down with threesome,
but it took kind of getting out here more around cities typically.
But, yeah.
So now you wanted to get into advice.
We started off saying, I'm like, oh, let's get into your story first,
and then you could talk about stats and all, you know,
I know you talked about literature.
Maybe you could recommend some stuff for people,
but also give them advice.
Yeah.
So I think one of the most common things to see online is,
is people are asking, like, how to get their spouse into cuff holding or even they use the word convinced.
They usually get a bit of backlash, and I understand if their partner has already said no a lot and they're not interested, you know, should not keep trying to convince.
But for people that their spouse is not absolutely against it or people that are completely new to bringing this idea of, I have a lot of suggestions for them.
and start small and start slow.
And first, I think it should really back up and think about what might their spouse be interested in.
And just start sharing fantasies or intimate interests.
I mean, what if she wants a romantic massage in a motel or just some things, what can you provide for her?
Yeah.
Really keep that in mind and try to stop being on one side.
Sometimes as couples can just be so entire fantasy and so wanting it and feel like we're just not getting it
that we end up being stuck on a more of the one-sided perspective for a while.
But then the other thing, and, you know, sometimes people just recommend porn, and that can work.
I mean, if she's in a hardcore porn or, you know, amateur porn,
but that can definitely be an easy or way to her best-goose the idea.
But think about it.
She's not into that if she's into erotic stories.
And then she's not into stories or porn or even if she is.
The other thing that I think people overlook is sex stories.
and starting off with dildos,
and it don't have to be huge,
but just different kinds.
It could be glass.
Women tend to not be as into the ultra-realistics.
Yeah, well, let me just tell you,
wait, I'm going to tell you about the best toy ever.
I mean, they happen to be my sponsor,
and when someone sponsors your show,
like they send you something, right?
Let me tell you, mystery vibe.
Sent me this vibrator that is 100% completely bendable.
And it's kind of like one of those things
it, you're like, duh, why hasn't anyone thought of this before? This thing, you could bend it in so many
different ways and there's a vibrator in every part of it and you could customize it. So you could be,
you know, it's like the, it's like endless amount of pleasure using this thing. It's actually like
the best thing. But I do think that that really opens up the conversation when you're using toys too,
right? That's what it's all about. It's not just about the pleasure that you're using it. It opens,
up and you could fantasize and make up fantasies what you're using them and mock up scenarios
that maybe you're going to do in real life down the line.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Definitely.
You're in toys is really worthwhile.
Yeah.
Vibrators.
Just build those of different materials.
Yep.
But then, you know, gradually, different threesome positions will be played out.
And, you know, the thoughts come up.
You don't even have to suggest it.
Exactly.
People think that the Dildo should be named and everything.
And, you know, if you're in the Dirty Talk and she's in the Dirty Talk, go ahead and name the Dildo.
There's just no need and just play with toys.
And, you know, really, even if she's not, in the long run, if she's not interested in
Kirk Holding or a threesome, you still have had those experiences.
Yeah.
They're still worthwhile of themselves.
And I think as a cook, we can get a lot of satisfaction from that, especially if it's
about size, you know, you can, it's much easier to find a Dilldo.
exact size that's going to work.
That's fine a guy.
You know,
the facility that gets the bill and is,
you know,
and it's true everything about how he looks and everything,
not just his dick.
So,
uh,
toys are really,
really worth,
uh,
spending some time with on that.
And,
um,
but going further on,
you know,
once people get to that point,
it's also best to mention while you're aroused.
The science shows that our disgust factor goes down while we're aroused.
and that outside of the bedroom, it just might not.
I mean, not only just timing in the person's life and day and mood
and how they're doing that week, but really considering that people are more receptive
when they're aroused.
So doing some long, slow foreplay, mention threesome.
And I would say mention threesome and not cookholding generally
and to get a test on how your partner is interested in threesomes.
And there's a woman that has come in online.
There's a subredic called Cuckech Psychology, Cuccold Psychology.
Uh-huh.
And there's some women sometimes that chime up as far as like starting the whole subject of discussion.
And she's trying to give guys advice on how to introduce her part into this.
And a lot of what I've said about erotica or if she's in the porn, maybe, but if she's not in sex toys and threesomes,
that's coming from one of the women there on that stuff.
Yeah.
So definitely consider timing and arousal and mention threesome.
And then from threesome still there.
and if you guys more into humiliation and hardcore culling,
I still would not necessarily lead with that.
I mean, if your partner is into BDSM, sure.
You know, you can talk about humiliation,
and that would be even the power dynamics,
and approaching to the power dynamics is the way to go if you're already,
if she's already into BDSM.
But otherwise, you're better off with an interest in threesome.
And as I said, you know, everything you do along the way is still worthwhile,
even if you never reach the pinnacle of their maximum fantasy.
Right.
Yeah, sometimes it's okay that, you know,
even if you can't have the real thing to mock it up.
Right.
With your partner and a toy, like you said.
And what I have heard, though,
and I think I just want to take it one step further with,
you know, I do believe in your theory like you just stated before that, you know,
you should definitely bring it up when you're aroused.
When you're aroused, you're more receptive.
Of course.
I'm always like, yeah, when you're horny, it's like you're in a different state.
You're like drunk.
The minute you orgasm, boom, you're like stone cold sober.
But what I have hurt, and that is a great time to bring things up and everyone's like really
into it.
But then when people get sober, they're like totally closed down.
But what I have heard from a couple people recently actually.
And it does make sense is that if you do want to eventually take these things to the next level,
there has to start to be communication.
about those things when you're not drunk because...
I agree.
Right?
Because then it's a fantasy.
You only do it, you know, you're drunk, horny.
Let's just keep it here.
But really, if you want to go past that,
I think you have to eventually start talking about it when you're not.
And then it's more concrete, right?
And then you could maybe start moving towards actually getting a third person or whatever.
But, I mean, you're right.
That's the start.
But I do think it makes sense.
sense what other people have been telling me that really when it became a reality when they
started to actually be more honest about what they were interested in even when they weren't in
the act of it yes absolutely and people definitely need to talk about it when they're not horny and
buzzing on excitement yeah you know not only to get a true answer yeah for what the person is willing
to do but but also to set boundaries and expectations yeah and there's some people
people that run into it. I find it more with cuck holding than in swinging or
collie that they're just run into situations. It seems like, you know, they could be
lying on line with their story, but they're just diving in. Like, to me, Philly, like,
and their partner's starting to sleep over at some other guys' house for the night and everything.
I'm like, wow, you guys are flying blind. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No realization of the kind of
attachments that can form or just, wow, you know, and maybe some people will come out
swimming on the other side just fine, but, uh,
But probably most people won't.
Right.
Yeah, probably not.
No, they really need to think about, you know, what, like, it's for the cook, whether,
wherever the cook is, regardless of their gender, what can they handle, you know,
or even in swinging, you know what?
Some people have the no kissing rule that's been talked about before and stuff like that.
I mean, because sometimes, you know, kissing is harder to watch and fucking,
especially if you're really a lawyer and you're into watching fucking.
Yeah.
To see your partner romantically tongue kiss for, you know, 15 minutes straight with someone.
body, even if they're, you know, just getting another person, but just heavy duty, it could be tough.
So people need to really try their best.
They're not always going to be perfect in predicting what's going to trigger them.
You know, I heard it cause some jealousy, but they should do their best to see what that's going to be their limits.
Yeah, that's where that communication comes into play.
That's why it's so important is that I think that you're more likely going to get your partner
to be down for something.
If they know that if they're not into it, they could say, I'm not into this and you're going to respect that.
And you know, if you really make that clear and that trust is really there, I think you're more likely to get a partner to do all kinds of things.
It's sort of the opposite of what you would think.
You know, give somebody more rules and allow them to place them.
And most likely those rules will fall by the wayside.
Tell somebody like, oh, it's a fucking free for all.
And then they're going to put up all kinds of barriers because they're like, wait a second.
What if this? What if that?
Whereas if you say, like, let's just, let's have all the rules and start out that way.
What typically happens and what I've heard is down the line, those rules go out the window because these two people completely trust each other.
And they know that, you know, they would be respected if something was a problem.
And that's what's most important.
And so if you start out there, I think you're more likely to get to the place where, like I said, that stuff falls by the wayside.
Whereas if you start out like, oh, nothing fucking matters.
and I could do whatever I want or whatever, you know,
that's where you're going to hit all those roadblocks
and it's just going to go the opposite, right?
Right.
No, there's security and boundaries sometimes.
When you know your boundaries or what's expected in the relationship,
the boundaries that can be security in that.
Like, yeah, that's what I was saying about hierarchical policy.
Sometimes people don't like it, but I like it as a secondary,
even though that's what I should try,
but I knew my boundaries and what we kind of wanted in the few times.
Yeah.
So, but yeah, in tuck holding and swinging or monogamish and all that, really, yeah, they're as
you said, things can progress later as it usually does.
People cancel off some rules that they don't feel they need.
But then going forward, the other thing I want to mention about cookholding and that people
can do on their own at home, even if the spouse is not interested, it's this power play,
power dynamics, because that's a big part of what, you know, I'm a generalizer the guy here,
but the guy wants to experience not having to be dominant and wants a dominant partner.
And some women, when they're new to that to try to be dominant,
it seems almost like too big of a change or they wonder how to become dominant that way.
But sometimes it could just be being a little more demanding than sex.
And then sometimes it could be maybe not give him head, but he has to give you head.
And she could take it a step further and she could demand in the middle of the date that she wants to receive all.
some random time in the middle of the day.
And that's all ways of being sort of like flipping things on their head and being more
dominant without necessarily having a whoop him or like be a dominatrix.
Because I think what people tend to see at the beginning, it's like, well, you know, I'm not
going to be a dominatrix or I'm not going to like little bit of grab them, hold him in his
place or not.
No, but it could start.
It's just just doing some changes.
Yeah, I think that's smart.
A cocoa guy would get, you know, a cocoa pipe guy can get a lot of stuff.
of just being more submissive at home, you know, and getting and doing some of these things,
even if they don't experience the complete co-coding adventure.
So, and that's all baby steps.
And then, you know, a lot of couples start pro-coding and they don't get in too much as the powerplay and the dominic, you know,
the dominance and all that, humiliation till down the mood.
It tends to be, as we're talking about, things progress.
And not everybody has to progress to that.
Yeah.
but a good bit of couples end up going that way, more or less.
I'm kind of into co-holding light.
I don't like cock cages.
It's not for me.
I'm not interested in cock cages.
I like humiliation, probably humiliation.
It wouldn't have to be every time.
Just sad, something between cook-holding and hot wifing is where I fall,
and people are going to fall, you know, in different spots on that spectrum.
Let me ask you this.
Back to you a little personally before we wrap this.
us up. Now, how
open? I mean, it seems like you're just
fully
involved in this kind
of lifestyle since the get-go.
You've had all kinds
of experiences. You're out and about
doing all this stuff. How open
are you about this part of your life
to people in your regular
life?
I've been quite open about it. I mean,
I told them my parents and siblings
when I was, oh, my 20s that I was swinging.
I didn't go into details, but, you know,
then I was into that roommates in college,
which got back to my small town where I grew up,
wasn't necessarily the best thing.
Yeah.
Yeah, but they all knew about your fisting fetish,
because you told them early on,
you were always that guy, you were always honest.
Yeah, I guess I was always kind of pushing that air.
Yeah.
Yeah, those were my late teens in the neighborhood.
Then you, I was in the fisting in more than certions.
But then, you know, I've used the term,
holding around people that have been around me in the poly community.
And I haven't been around as many swingers since, you know, since then.
But I'm trying.
That's kind of where I'm heading back towards.
It's like I said, a little bit less polyamory and more friends with benefits type
relations.
But, you know, my friends know that I'm interested in this.
And you put that on the table when you meet, like when you meet partners, because I'm assuming
you meet women on these websites that you're on,
but you obviously probably meet them also just in your regular life
when you're out and about.
Do you bring up who you are and what you're into,
like right from the get-go?
Sometimes the first date.
I don't put it to the topic of sex.
But if the topic of sex comes up, especially,
so I've used O'Kupid a lot.
OKupid has a lot of good questions.
And typically non-monogamous people will use OKupid or half.
They have used it more than other dating sites.
So that has been a good one.
And usually they know, you know, I have monogamish on there or, or I've worded at different ways, a different cons.
Yeah.
So, I've been forward on that.
As far as cuck holding, I might not mention that the second or third date or something like that.
I don't necessarily bring that one on the first date.
But it, you know, definitely are being forward about an interested in at least being monogamish or, you know, an open relationship.
But I tend to not hook up or date as much when I'm looking for my partner to do that more.
and stuff like that.
Yeah.
And what does your future,
what does your perfect future look like for you?
What would be the perfect relationship for you to find?
Like, what's that unicorn that you're looking for?
So that unicorn I'm looking for is a woman that she wants some open.
And she wants to be in a monogamation or open relationship.
She would like to be in an open relationship.
And she would hook up with other people and have friends with benefits
and not be serious Polly.
I mean, if that's the only way she can do it,
like Polly Har orki, you know,
where the relationships are secondary,
but ideally more friends with benefits
are just casual,
swinging a few times a year.
But when you say friends with benefits,
you don't,
that means you don't want to have,
to me,
friends of benefits,
do you want her to have friends,
be friends with benefits with you
or friends with benefits with other people?
Other people.
Okay, so you want to marry.
You know,
I don't have to have an official marriage.
But, you know, I'm looking for a spouse that wants to live with me.
Right.
So you want a real emotional connection and a real life with somebody.
And, right?
So the friends of benefit is not with you.
It's what, but you want her to be able to go out and have friends with benefits with other people.
But B, that hierarchy is you guys are in love with each other.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I'm looking for, yeah, like a spouse to share life with.
Yeah.
Sure other hobbies and interests too outside of six.
and all of that, but someone that also doesn't want to give up her up her freedom to hook up.
I mean, if she doesn't, if she wants to even be more casual, that's fine.
Yeah.
But I'm saying, like, my comfort zone is for my partner to be friends with benefits to other people,
and usually not sleep over unless she just can't go out back home.
Like that, you know, I could watch or not watch.
I'd like to watch a good bit, but, you know, that's where I'm at.
And it seems to be tough to find because people tend to gravitate towards being either more
swinger and casual, you know, everything together or polling and sleeping over and super
egalitarian.
There's, it seems to be that there's less people in the middle.
Yeah, but, you know, if you listen, did you listen to Bretta and Brian, those swingers?
Yes, I listened to them.
Yeah, they were interesting, right, because they also prefer to play separate than together.
Now, let me ask you this.
Would you want your, would you also need to have other partners?
sexually as well, or would it just be enough for you to have your partner going out and being
with other people?
I would like to do the dabble two or three times a year.
And if you could be there and it could be, I only have to do four play or whatever.
Yeah.
And that's part of the power dynamic, too, as I'd like for my partner sort of have a control
of that.
But I would ideally like to build a dabble a couple of times a year and not necessarily
friends of benefits.
It's just, you know, we meet in a hot tub, when my friend's parties, it would be nice, or at a burn event, a local burn event.
But, no, it's not a must for me.
No, I would, for a woman that matches up with me on all these other things, I would lay that down.
I'd like laughing, you know, and feel some slight reluctance, but no, I would lay it down to have the rest.
If she checked all the other boxes, sexually and non-tops, so definitely.
Yeah, I mean, listen, you're in the community.
I mean, I would be surprised if, you know, two years from now you haven't met that person.
I think, you know, you're only 41.
You could date a 29-year-old.
And, you know, younger people, I think, are much more open to different kinds of relationships.
So, and you're in that world where you're going to these burn events and, you know, king parties and stuff that I would assume that eventually you're going to meet a like-minded woman that is going to be down for what you're into.
Don't you think?
It just seems to be a challenge, Kathy.
Really?
Like I said, yeah, especially so many that are non-monogamous want to be Polly.
And like I said, I don't have anything against me.
I just not want to be as Polly as many as they do, as they are.
Like a lot of my connections in person, that's where they are.
And I'm still mingling with women.
These girls say, okay, listen, I want to be able to sleep with people, but I'm going to develop feelings for them and I want to date them as well.
That's where that's what most of those women.
I can understand that because there is that thing that goes down, right?
Where they say that when women orgasm, they do release some sort of chemical that makes them attached.
So, you know, probably a lot of women in that world have realized that over time, if they're going to be sleeping with that same person, they're, you know, that's more likely to happen and they don't want to put boundaries on it.
Yeah.
Yeah, I agree.
And I would even say that, you know, I'm fine with it.
They have some feelings.
It's just the type of polly that I did for a long time
where they've shared holidays and meet the parents
and shared all these events and they shared everything.
It's just too cumbersome for me.
Yeah.
I can do it and I don't want to do it.
Yeah, I hear you.
I could do it.
I've been there.
I don't want it to be that cumbersome.
I don't want that much processing.
But at the same time,
I'm not at end of inspection where I'd be nowhere to see the other guys
as fuck toys.
You know, like some people do they call them a stunt cock.
They're just a stunk cop.
Come in and leave.
That's okay if some people want to be there.
And I realize some bonding is going to happen, some feelings.
But it's where the big L love, like, you know, the big L love or even if it's low,
it's really about schedule and sharing time.
That's where I, in my life experience of what I've seen, that I don't want to share that much
time and that much of a schedule to that extent, you know, basically as I've experienced.
Absolutely. That's how I always have looked at the whole Polly thing. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. And I think it's amazing. I'm actually amazed by people that could do it because I'm like I can't even have more than one child because I wouldn't know how much that I could have the capacity to love that much. But you know, it just seems like to me very time consuming. I just think one, keeping one relationship down is hard enough. You know, it takes work to keep it good. To have so many, I think it's difficult. But like I said, I mean, you can't say across the board. That's how everyone feels. There's something.
people that really works with them. But I think what's most important is that you know what works for you.
I think you've been there done so much that you really know what works and what doesn't. I think if you,
you know, the more you sit across from women and explain, eventually you're going to find that right person.
I have talked to many men that are looking for exactly what you are looking for and I have found that
and had that in their life. So it's not, by no means are you looking for something that's like,
oh my God, it's never going to happen.
I think it's just a matter of like when it will happen for you.
I think it's great that you put yourself out there and you're straight up about it.
I think because you've done so much, you're not coming.
You know, you're not sitting across from a girl being like, oh my God, I have to do all this
because it's like my biggest fucking fantasy.
You know, it's like you've done a lot so you don't have that sort of desperation.
Like you said, pushing somebody to do something.
I think that's always like something that women are going to get a vibe about and are going to be turned off.
too because they want to know that they could go at their own pace and somebody like you,
I think is going to be really respectful of that because you've done so much that it's not like
you have to do it, right?
You're kind of cool about it.
Well, I think in person especially, I'm able to proceed that way and, you know, be balanced
about it.
Yes.
And all that.
And really give a lot of consideration to who they are as a whole person.
But online, it's just a challenge and that's a whole almost other topic.
to talk about it, the dating profile.
It's tough to communicate somewhat, to communicate some of these things without,
for sure.
You know, shifting almost into that side.
I just seem obsessed.
I'm looking for an object to, you know, to help me procure these fantasies.
So it's a tough, it's a tough line to walk and understanding with the profiles.
But there were, you know, Brennan and Brian, I think gave out a couple websites of, you know,
apps that they used, that they felt like were really good for that community.
And I think even if you go into them
and it's like more of a swinger's thing
and that's not what you're really looking for,
I think you're more likely to meet somebody
maybe there that is open to exactly what you are.
I need to get back on that field.
Yes, fields.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's it.
I do.
I have a girl that just talked about.
She's like a brand ambassador, Lola Jean.
She's like the squirting queen.
She's a brand ambassador for that app
and she talked about it too.
Why don't you give a shout out?
Where do you live?
I'm in Austin.
Awesome.
Oh, okay, I've been to Portland.
People say Portland and Austin are very similar.
It was like the most interesting place I've ever been, right?
Yeah, they're kind of some polymecas.
Aside from San Francisco, I'd have to say, you know, Portland, Seattle, Austin are kind of like, they're polymecas.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And there's about pollens and burning people and all that.
Yeah, so listen, any girls out there that are really super open-minded, like, what do we call you, Ty?
Email me, I'll send them to you.
I love this episode.
I think you're super interesting.
A lot of times I don't like to go bigger.
picture, but I really like how you explain things.
It was really easy for me to understand it.
And I really appreciate you calling in.
I really did enjoy talking to you.
I think that this is a great episode.
Thank you.
The only thing I was to add is I did do some coupling with the married woman.
She had a partner with a big dick.
Both are partners, that's going to be, but one with a really big dick.
And he didn't want to let me watch.
So I had to put, we did some of the power dynamics.
Like at first you wanted me to be more dominant, but then we changed that in the relationship,
and she started being more dominant than I was a service sub.
And that's how we got some of that.
So just for experience-wise, I should have mentioned that.
Although I didn't have a wife that started took holding, we really flopped it that way.
And you enjoyed it.
Yeah, we enjoyed it.
I was a service up for her for the following five years after that.
And she would tell me details what they did.
And eventually I didn't get to watch them.
He let me watch them for one on my birthday.
Yeah, you've done so much.
We could do a whole part too.
I mean, I'll have you back on.
I mean, because you probably have like a million more stories like this,
you know, that you're going to be remembering like, oh, I forgot this.
I forgot that.
I got a bullet list right here and something I didn't say like eating cream pies and all things.
Yeah, yeah.
No, we'll do it part two.
Stop.
We'll do it part two because it's too much.
But I like, though, where we went in this conversation.
And I think it's going to be a fantastic episode and people are going to love it.
Go to YouTube and watch the comments because I think you're going to really help some people, you know, put things together in their brain and realize like, oh, he explained exactly how I feel.
You're going to see that.
I hope so.
Yes.
I'll be replying as A naturalist.
All right.
Awesome.
Thanks so much for calling in, Ty.
Bye.
Okay.
Bye-bye.
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