Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 439 - Damien and Rachel Were Super Religious and They're Now in the Lifestyle

Episode Date: January 6, 2022

Damien and Rachel are Orthodox Jews who recently opened up their marriage and have tried everything and they call in to talk all about it. When and why did they open up their marriage? What kinds of things have they’ve been down for? And, how has it all effected their marriage? Tune in to find out plus hear all about which apps they used to find singles and couples, how Rachel confessed she was into guy on guy action and how Damien felt about it, their first MMF threesome and what exactly went down, their first FFM threesome and what went down, their many couple swaps and what they both like best, how Damien felt the first time he saw his wife with another guy, how she felt during her first bisexual experience, how he felt hooking up with guys and how far he’s gone with them, Rachel’s first experience with another woman and what they did together, how she couldn’t handle seeing her husband with another woman and how she got passed it, her BBC high school fantasy and how they lived it out, the swingers house parties they’ve attended and what they enjoyed and didn’t enjoy about them, how she pegs him and how he eventually wants to be a bottom, the best sexual experience together with another couple which includes a daisy chain, how they're new lifestyle goes against their strict orthodox jewish religion and how they feel about that and a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of Rachel and most of my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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They were like a couple who recently had picked up religion and then switched and picked up opening up their relationship and swinging and doing all kinds of things. And you're not going to believe their story. It's, it's, it really is interesting. Damien called in first and said, you know, my wife might chime in. She's going to be listening. And she wound up chiming in, which I was so happy about. It takes a little bit before you hear from Rachel, probably about 20 minutes in. She starts talking. But then once she does, she never stops. And it's such a great episode because you hear his point of view. You hear her point of view. This is a couple that started trying all kinds of things. And, What I loved best about them was their openness and desire to make each other happy by basically being open and down for anything. Okay. They talk about what they've done, which is a lot. They talk about stuff that they weren't into, what they're really into, their top of the mountain, their best sexual experience ever, and so much more.

I really like them as a couple. I know you are going to like them too. so I'm going to be right back on with Damien and Rachel. Hey, Damien and Rachel. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. Thank you for having you. Yeah, I'm so glad to have you both here. Damien's on and wanted to tell his story.

And then he said his wife, his wife Rachel might want to come on and she is on. Damien's probably you're going to be telling most of the story. But Rachel, I'm hoping we'll feel really comfortable and jump in a lot because this is a story. Now, listen, I've heard of a lot. couples who have, you know, started swinging after they've been together. But I've never heard from a Hasidic couple who started swimming.

Now, am I saying that is Hasidic wrong? Is it Hasidic or Hasidic? It's Hasidic, but you're saying it right, but we're actually not Hasidic. We're Orthodox. Oh, okay. So Judaism, like Christianity, is broken down into subgroups. Yes. Okay.

So there's reform, conservative, Orthodox. So we keep, or we're keeping all the. of the commandments, but we don't have the long pay of us at the corners of our ears. Right, right, right. Okay. So you're Orthodox and you're Jewish. And now there is, now tell me how the whole swinging thing

happened with you guys. So it started off as a joke. It was on my bucket list to have a threesome. And we would joke about it and I'm like, I never expected to cross it off, but every guy has that on his bucket list, if he has a bucket list.

And then then we started like looking at apps stroking around like she'd be a good unicorn. She'd be a good unicorn. And then at some point, Rachel said, maybe we should think about it. And we got serious and we had our first threesome and then we had a foursome and we've been, we've been like Amish teenagers ever since. Oh my God. Okay.

But like let's get a little bit. Let's go back a little bit. So like how long have you guys been together? How old around are you? We've been together almost 30. 30 years. And I'm 52 and she's, I can say, 54. Okay. So now, so, and how long ago did this come up? Well, it came up as a joke quite a while ago, but we entered the lifestyle last February. Oh, okay. So it's kind of new. Yeah, it's been an experience. Yeah. And it's, it's interesting that it comes up

through like COVID. I mean, should we, like, that's like an interesting time to start having three cents. But wait, let me ask you this. Now, had you guys, like, you know, you said, because it came up like sort of in conversation first,

and then you guys got into the lifestyle. Now, were you guys always fantasizing about another person? And was it always a woman as your bucket list? And was it something that maybe Rachel was, had fantasies about being with a woman? I think every guy is fantasized about that. I don't know that she has given it a tremendous amount of thought. But, I mean, it's always every guy since the time he meets girls is thinking about having two of them.

Right. But I mean, what was the kind of conversations you guys started to have before you entered into a lifestyle? Because he said at first it's a joke and then you're like kind of talking and then like, when does Rachel start mulling it over and start to think that maybe she would like to be with a woman? Well, or two guys. right okay or two guys interesting that's right because our first threesome was actually with another guy oh okay because you were saying

unicorn unicorn my first question would have been who were you guys going to have a threesome with but you kept saying oh when you guys were looking through the app you were like she'd be a good unicorn so I just assumed you were looking for women so we didn't know the lingo so we were looking for a woman

but as we started to get serious about talking about it we realized she'd be more comfortable of having an MFM instead for the first time. So, you know, I'm nothing is not accommodating. So she had revealed that she really likes to see two guys kissing, which I don't know that I knew that or took that seriously before, but it turns out to be something that she really, really, really, really likes. And now let me ask you, Damien, was it something?

Because you were down, I get, there's one thing about wanting to see. your wife with another man. That's something that I found out after doing my show as a fantasy for a lot of guys. But it's another thing where, you know, the guy has a fantasy also to quote unquote cross swords in this scenario, you know, kiss a guy.

I mean, was that something that you were totally open to as well? And had you thought about that before? Well, I figured in my head if I was hoping that she would participate, play with another woman, fair is fair. so I had no desire to jump into this, but I wasn't opposed.

I mean, it's not a big deal. Right. It's kind of like you'll do that so you could get her to see her with a guy. It's like for you, it didn't. Oh, yeah. And the reaction is definitely worth it. That's so funny. And now let me ask Rachel if she wants to chime in or you tell me the answer to this.

But like, did Rachel know beforehand that this was something she was going to really get turned on by? And then she saw it and she was like, holy shit? Or did it happen in the opposite? opposite way? No, no. I only kissed him because I knew she wanted to see that. Okay, so this was something that Rachel said, hey, by the way, I think it'd be really hot to see you make out with another guy.

We've always had excellent communication. The lifestyle certainly made it better, but we've always had excellent communication. You know, we talked to, I'm like, are you seriously? Are you sure you want to do this? And we went back and forth. And I always gave her the option that you say stop and we could be mid anything and it's done. And, you know, gave her plenty of opportunity to say she didn't want to do this or didn't want to do. She went back and forth a little bit.

But she was definitely nervous. I was definitely nervous the first time. And we found someone on one of the websites that kind of really, he wasn't a great threesome, but he was the right person for a first time because he walked us through things and was very patient and explained things. and, you know, this was a whole new world. So when we had that first interaction, it was like that that was really cool. And as we got more experience, we realized it wasn't fantastic, but that was what we needed. And that's what you like? Now, what app do you use to find that guy?

We used a website called Cassidy. Yeah, Cassidy. Yeah, I know of Cassidy. That's why I was asking. There's just like a couple that people typically throw out. Cassidy definitely is one of them. I tried a lot of other apps, and I can tell you, at my age, if bikini models are hitting me up three minutes after I sign up for an app,

it's probably not really, I wish it was, but probably not really real. You're realistic. Oh, my God, that's hilarious. You're like too good to be true. You're sending me bots. Like, that's bullshit if that's what an app does. Yeah. Cassidy is one of the.

top ones I've heard as well as something called feels. F, I think it's feels. I don't know. But so you go on to Cassidy and you figure out through conversation beforehand that you're going to first try with another guy. Now, was it like, did Rachel have something specific she was looking for? Did you guys know your type or did it, did that not matter? I mean, why did you pick this guy? Well, we, first of all, his picture, although not so accurate, he looked good. He looked It was clearly a few years prior to COVID. Uh-huh. Um, so that was a lesson learned, by the way.

We always ask people, the pictures are, are recent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, and, um, his, his demeanor when we chatted was very easygoing and not pushy. And if something was objective or something was a concern, he was very respectful of that and respectful of boundaries. Mm-hmm. Which you really have to be, because people have weird ass. rules. Yeah. Well, you can only kiss with the upper lip or any whole hands on Tuesdays. And I'm kidding. Yeah, yeah. What about your guys' rules? Did you guys have any going in? Oh, we, we have

a lot of rules going in and a lot of them are still being eliminated as silly. No, I've heard that before. Because I think when you go in, you try to plan for every contingency and then something happens that you didn't plan for and you make a new rule and something happens and you make a new rule. And then at some point, you're like, well, that's just stupid. I mean, one of our rules was when we're chatting, we shouldn't send red hearts. You know, because red is love, right? Yeah. I mean, at some point, that just became like, really?

Are we that petty now? Right. We realize this doesn't matter. Like, it doesn't matter. You know you're not in love with the other person. This isn't right. Right. Certain rules are obviously we keep in place.

But some of the superfluous rules kind of shed off. which are the rules that are still in place. Oh, yeah. But we only play together. We only play in the same room. You know, you always play safe. Mm-hmm.

Both of us can't get tied up at one time. Mm-hmm. You know, the usual laundry list. I only ask because, listen, I think a lot of times, the questions that I'm asking

are not so much just about the story, but I think other people learn other couples, people, guys out there, or women out there are listening that are maybe thinking, oh, let's do this. You know, what kind of conversation should we have? maybe what kind of rules work and don't work.

So I think it's interesting for people to hear. You're in the lifestyle now and you're doing it, but there's probably so many people that are listening that aren't yet. So stuff to you that you're like, whatever. You know, I think it's interesting to be a little bit specific because, you know, other people don't know and what works for you might work for other people. Right.

So I definitely recommend people take things slow. Yeah. You know, don't, and you got to not only have contingency plan and rules, but you have to have a contingency plan of what happens if something happens that you didn't have a rule for. You know, because things come up and that's where communication is, this has made us so much more communicative with each other, which prior I didn't think was really possible or necessary. I mean, we always had good communication. Mm-hmm. So, you know, as things happen, you know, you've got to be willing to adapt and change. Before this happened, before we have the first threesome, she's like, what a, she was like,

what if this screws everything up for us? Yeah. And I'm like, look, we've been together through a lot for the last 20-some-odd years. If it's good, it'll be good together. And it turns out crappy, we'll deal with it like we dealt with everything else. Mm-hmm. and it was good. And then we did it again.

So what happened that first time? Was she with the guy? Did you wind up fooling around with the guy? Yeah, we wound up both fooling around with him. I've never thought I'd go down on a guy. But she really liked to see it. And I'm like, I didn't hate it. So, yeah, she,

a lot of firsts, a lot of things that we never thought we'd do, or crossing things off the bucket list, we didn't know we're on the bucket list. Oh, right. Like, what were the other first? So you gave him head. I'm assuming he went down on you as well. Yeah. And Rachel loved it. She loved to watch you with another. Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. She didn't just sit back. She was participating, kissing one of us. You know, we don't like anyone left out. Mm-hmm. We prefer a foursome over a straight swap. Meaning everyone's fooling around with everyone, not just the guy with the woman. We can call it a cuddle puddle.

A cuddle puddle? Yeah. Did you make that up or is that like a term in the lifestyle? No, I got it from someone else, but I think he made it up because I've never heard anyone else use that term. Yeah, that's so funny. I'm trying to make it popular. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you just had oral with the guy.

You didn't do any topping or bottoming with him, did you or did you? No, no. Okay. And now did Rachel also have sex? Did Rachel have sex with him, full on? Yeah. We found a variety of positions that everyone could be involved in. And we both had sex with her, and I don't think she was unhappy with that.

Right. And now how did you feel about seeing your wife for the first time with somebody else? She's my favorite porn star. Right. Mm-hmm. You know, I watch her with someone else. I'm like, you know, she's hot. And that's mine.

At the day, when we're done, we go home or they leave, she's still with me. Yeah. And she's hot. I've heard other people explain it that way. Like, it's like watching porn, seeing your person outside of the situation, but they're yours. You know, I've heard a lot of different reasons of why it turns the other person on because I think a lot of people who have never experienced it, a lot of guys would be like,

oh, I would never want to see that. Were you somebody that maybe five years ago, if someone brought it up or you heard it on my show, you'd be like, I would never want that, but then you're, you opened your mind to it and then you realized it did turn you on?

Or was it something that you think? I've always been very open. Okay. I've always been very open minded. I mean, I, I, I was sexualized very young.

and I've always been looking to push the envelope. What do you mean sexualized very young? Like you started fooling around when you were really young? I just started pulling around when I was young. I had older brothers. So like pornography was always in the bedroom because obviously you don't want mom to find it. So they're always come look at this with us,

come look at this with us because they didn't want me taddling on them. Right. So from a very young age, I was looking at like penthouse. I don't know if the magazine still exists anymore if it's all online. but really good pet house. But at that young age, I'm looking, but I'm also really more interested in the cartoons,

the little comics strips. But, you know, then once computers came out, because I'm old enough to know when computers started becoming useful. Yeah. You know, pornography was like at your fingertips. Right. So.

And how did your religion play into this when you were young? And even now so. So we weren't always religious. We became religious in 2001. Oh, okay. And we fully embraced it. We were, she, Rachel was covering her hair and elbows and, and, um, didn't, didn't wear pants. And, you know, we were keeping the Sabbath and keeping kosher and all the, all prayers throughout the day and the whole, the whole nine yards.

And the life style was sort of like a slippery slope. You know, from joking to talking to participating. Once you're participating in the lifestyle, you know, two things can't occupy the same space at once. All right. So if something moves in, something has to move out. So I don't know where we're going to end up, sort of like a pendulum. But we're not going to wind up where we are and we're not going to wind up where we were.

We just have to figure out where we are in the middle at this point, I guess. Right. So right now you're all the way on the other side of the spectrum, right? because this is something that you just started. Right. But also not too long ago, like 20 years ago, you did become orthodox. And, I mean, this would be very highly unaccepted. Does anybody in your community or your close friends know about what you guys are doing

or is it very on the deal? I have a couple friends. I would be more open to more people knowing if I felt like I could control who knew and who didn't. But once you open the Pandora's box, you know, it's all out there. Yeah, you're no dumb, but you know that people will start talking. So we told, we did a few close friends that know my, my wife's personal trainer knows because

it's like a hairdresser, I guess you tell her everything. Oh my God, that's so funny. But, yeah, for the most part, it's quiet. I don't want my kids to find out. They've got enough confusion with relationships without me throwing a wrench in the works. Right. Okay, so let's get back to your, so you had that first experience, the guy wasn't ideal. but you had a good time.

And then, so what happened the next time? So the next time we called, we found a couple and they came over. And they were weird. What do you mean? We actually don't, they still reach out to us every now and then we really don't respond so much.

They were just weird. In what sense? Well, she was talking to the dog while we're getting started and I'm like I'm competing with my freaking dog now

Oh my God if your dog could talk back Oh my God What would he say? I think the dog won So She was a little wacky She was wacky

Yeah But did you guys hook up with them Or like did you go through with it Or did it end? Oh yeah Yeah You gotta know what works if you got to try things to know what works yeah okay so so we went through with it um

afterwards i'm like well that was an interesting experience but let me ask you this now this time now are you going into these couple scenarios saying you know i because you said you want to everyone to be together like is do you go in saying hey like i'm open to fooling around with the guy and then did rachel fool around with this woman i mean how how much interacting was going on with everybody Well, at this point, I have no intention of playing with the guy because we're just going to swap. Okay. But now as we're getting more experienced into things, we start looking at the profiles on people who are, quote, unquote, open-minded. It seems like whatever the woman is, the man is at least one or two steps to the right.

So if she's by, he's open-minded. If she's open-minded, he's straight. Oh, interesting. Okay. Yeah. That's a trend you've seen. Yeah, I guess guy on guy play is not so accepted. Yeah, I've heard that.

But it's interesting because a lot of straight guys have grabbed my cock. So once you're in the middle of things, you know, lines get blurred. Yeah, people don't. I think there's still, don't think as a guy who said, like you said, you've had a lot of straight guys, you know, giving you blow jobs. I think maybe it's that they're not, you know, really saying they're into it because there's still a stigma attached, I think, more so for guys to do with guys. Yeah, absolutely. There's guys who said, I'm straight.

And actually, I know, you know, we're making out with Robin and he's jacking me off. And I'm like, interesting for a straight guy. Yeah. I mean, I did have that one psychologist on who says, like, you can be straight and suck a dick. But the whole thing is that I don't think it's so much that they're not saying that they're, I think it's what the, what the connotation is. They're saying I'm straight and what they're saying is I'm not going to fool around with you, but then two minutes later they are.

So I think that it's still just not acceptable, but there's a, because listen, the other thing I have on a lot on my show are guys that are secretly fooling around, with guys behind their wise backs, okay? I mean, it's just like a thing that goes down and I just think a lot of people don't admit it, a lot of men because of the stigma. And because I had Brenna and Brian on there from a Swinger podcast. They host a Swinger podcast and they're swingers and they're very out there. And he talked the same thing like you did that.

You know, it's still not that accepted, even in the lifestyle where you would think that's where people would be like, this is who I am, right? But not so much yet, still. And me personally, I would never go looking for a guy. I would never go looking to blow somebody. But if we're in the heat of the moment

and there's a dick in my face, I have no problem taking it. Right. That's fine. Yeah, well, even like you said before, you're obviously very open-minded because you were like, you know, you never really thought about kissing the guy,

but once it was on the table, if that was what you were going to do and it was there, like, why not? Because your wife was going to like it. Like, you're just down for anything. She really likes it. A lot. So it's worth it.

Can I ask you, Rachel, real quick? Like, I mean, was it when you guys started talking about it? Is that when you realized you liked it? Did you always secretly know that you were into that? had you ever gone looking at like by porn or gay porn? I've always liked gay porn. I always liked the kissing. I like the two women kissing.

The two guys kissing is hot. Oh, interesting. And I had never, had I ever been with a woman before February. Okay, so now let's get to the time where the first time you are with a woman. Was it with that crazy couple, like the weird couple or was it with the next one?

It was with an other weird couple. Oh, another one. get to that story. Another were a couple who ended up staying in the night and then didn't leave until like the next evening. Oh my God. You guys couldn't get them out. Couldn't get them out. And then he started doing, I don't know, some electrical work for us. Oh my God. But her, she was the first woman I had ever done anything with. Okay. So tell me what happened that time. So this was another couple that you guys met. Now did you go into it saying, hey, like, you know, we want to make sure that the woman is by because you knew you wanted to have your first experience?

No. In fact, I just, we sort of just go with the flow and whatever it happened, and we had already fooled around, and then we're taking an intermission, and Damien said, asked her if she would kiss me. And she did, and then we went back and started fooling around again, and she and I made out, and I played with her boobs, and I actually went down on her, which I don't think I thought that I would do. And how was that for you for your first experience? I mean, was it something you were into? It was a good experience, and I've done it a couple times since.

It's not my favorite thing to do. I'm not bisexual, but like Damien said, in the heat of the moment, anything goes. Right. And it gets him really, really hot. Right. So you get turned on by the fact that you're turning him on, more so than the fact that you're going down on her. Yes.

That makes sense. That's interesting. Yeah. I don't, well, there's been a couple that I'm like, ew, I can't. No. Yeah, he loves. He loves that. That's his favorite thing, is eating pussy.

Right. I don't get it. But that's why I'd just rather have a dick. Well, it seems like, though, you guys are perfectly well-suited, because you're very similar in that you're both down to do what the other person wants, and it turns you on to turn your partner on, and you're open to it, you know, and it's kind of like a free-for-all, but your most favorite thing is also, though, what each of you totally is down, like love.

So you are very, like, well-suited for each other. This has been a, yeah, this has been a, um, it's not always been easy for me. I've read a lot of books and I watched a lot of blogs and at the beginning I was offering him. Do you want him to go down on you? He's really good at it. And then we were with a couple people and I got really freaked out like in the corner, in a ball crying that I couldn't watch him with another woman. And he offered a stop. In fact, he said a couple times in the last what, eight months. We're done. We're not doing this anymore. And I want to do it. I want to be okay with this. I want to have compersion. I want him to enjoy being with

somebody without worrying that I'm going to end up in a ball in the corner. And I've come a long way. Interesting. I'm not quite 100% there, but I've come a long way. So watching him with... I want to be okay with it. I want him to enjoy. I want to enjoy watching him. Yeah. But you don't. That's the whole point. The whole point is to have fun. Yeah, yeah, totally. But you don't still. I don't what?

I'm sorry. But you don't enjoy watching him still? Or have you come to the point where you can get enjoyment out of it? I do not. I enjoy watching him with men. I wouldn't say I enjoy watching him with women. Yeah. But I can deal with it.

Yeah. Which is a step in the right direction. Mm-hmm. I read one book. I can't even remember which book it was that to remind yourself, I can stand it. And I actually got tattooed on my wrist. I can stand it.

Oh, wow. So in the moment, I can look at that. I can stand it. I can do this. Uh-huh. He loves me. He's not going home with her. This is just for fun.

Right. You know, I'm talking, I'm self-talking a lot through the experiences. And so obviously, because you said, like he said, like, we'll stop this, whatever. I mean, he's not forcing you or making you become okay with it. it's, you're doing that to yourself. I am. I want to.

And it's fun and I'm a little neurotic where I start something and I'm like, no, I'm going to finish this. Yeah, I get that. Yeah. Yeah. But it's fun. And then afterwards we're so close and I don't want to stop. I just want to be, you know, more, I don't know, supportive is the right word, but more. okay with the situation while it's happening.

Right. But let me ask you this. Yeah. Well, it's more a question for Damien. So Damien, if at the end of the day, you know, she has given it the good old try. I mean, because it really seemed, you know, I could tell your type of personality. Like, you're, you want to make this work. Like, you're in it to make it work.

But if at the end of the day, you just can't and, you know, and you're just not getting past it. And she said to you, like, you know what? Like, that's where I draw the line. Like, let's just play with God. or just, you know, would you be okay with that? I think if we pulled the plug, we pull the plug completely. Right. Okay.

It's all or nothing. We may have an occasional something, but for the most part, I think, you know, if it's somebody she couldn't deal with, we would be just, we would just be done. Okay. And that's fine. I mean, we have a great sex life before this. We have a great sex life now. Right.

This is just icing on the cake. Right. now you but you have but you love seeing him with men now and damon you have no problem seeing her with guys so tell me about that weird couple that would it that was the first time you were with the woman now did you fool around with that the husband or was that just them two fooling around no we just watched okay and and it was a very pleasant thing to watch oh yeah you really like that's your top of the mountain yeah you know i have a hot watch with another hot woman and, you know,

I got a glass of Jack Daniels in my hand. I'm a happy hand. Right, right. And now in those situations, do you also play with the man? Rachel? Oh, yeah, I do. Mm-hmm.

I do. I play with the, yes. And so you really like the male, male, female threesome. Male, male, female. Yeah, I do. Mm-hmm. I do. I have a favorite that we see here and there.

A guy. But he's not a guy, a guy. He's not by. So he's not Damien's favorite to play with. But, but, okay. So Damien found this guy and set up a date at a bar where this guy showed up as a surprise for me. Oh, interesting. Okay.

And you didn't, you didn't know about him beforehand or I've never seen him. Okay. He tries, yeah, we do this first. We try to surprise each other. The only time we. We're allowed to chat without each other as part of it is when we're planning a surprise for the other person. Okay. How many surprises have you guys had?

How many surprises, Damien? Probably three that went to fruition. And there were a couple that didn't make the vetting process. Because I'm not just going to bring any weird guy home to my wife. I mean, you let someone in your house. you've got to have some confidence. And I've had some people that were just either flaky or weird or just got a bad vibe. But I think we had three that I surprised her with.

Okay, so let's talk about this guy because she likes him so much and you surprised him. Like, how did you find him? And then Rachel, take it from the time where, you know, you walk in the bar and find out that you're being surprised by this guy. So he found him on the website. Yeah. On Cassidy. And set it up that they, that Damien and I would be at the bar and this guy would come in and sort of wander to our table. And he would end up going home with us.

But this guy ends up not being so good with the role play and comes in and he recognized us and said, I'm sorry, I got here so late. And I'm like, what do you mean? Who are you? Oh, my God, hilarious. So I knew right off the, I mean, I didn't know that that would. Damien went sure that I looked cute when we went out. And then we just, we connected. did and he came back to our place and

we've seen him at you 10 since then and what do you like so much about him Rachel because you said he's your favorite he's my favorite he's fun and the more we get to know him the more laid back and funny and open he is and he's really good and bad

that's it that's it I mean what else do we need from somebody entertaining and be good in bed we're not in their relationship but wouldn't he be more ideal if he was also open to kind of fooling around with you? Because didn't she say that he was her favorite, but not necessarily yours because you can't play with him too?

Right. I mean, you know, if we bring a third person and I want to have some participation with them, you know, I don't mind it being all for her. But sometimes, you know, I like a little reciprocity. Yeah. And with him, you don't get it. He's never left out. I don't exclude Damien when I'm, you know,

when it's a three-some with a with a straight guy. Right. You're fooling around both of them. You're having sex with that guy and also your husband and everyone's together. But some guys are open to touching or going further with Damien as well. Some guys aren't. Right. Right.

So Rachel has a favorite. She has a type. I'm presuming it's okay than I say. So she likes black men. Okay. she went back to a high school fantasy she had so i brought her um her first black guy and that we met him a couple of times that was a lot of fun a lot of fun what was your what was your high school fantasy rachel there was a uh guy i went to school with and we were supposed to go

out and it never it never happened and i was very attracted to him and i think ever since I've just always fantasized about being with a black guy. Right, because he was like the one that got away. Sort of something like that, yeah. Yeah, and at the time, I mean, when I grew up, it wasn't, it's like homosexuality is more open now than it was. And same thing with interracial couples back in the day when I was in high school. It wasn't a thing.

Yeah, no, I know. Yeah, yeah, no, I know. I mean, I'm around your age. so I totally know it was definitely something that was as taboo, right? But we've never gone, you know, we have always gone against the grain, Damien and me, which is what to let us to this lifestyle, I think. And I mean, was one of those things that was against the grain, like becoming orthodox in 2001, too, I would say, right, from going from not religious, then to even becoming really religious

is also another, I would say, thing that is in that same realm. probably and when we do something we go all in right which is we started since February and we've done we've done more things than people who have been in a lifestyle that we've talked to for years oh my god that's so funny both overachievers we don't do anything half ass yeah no I love it I can tell you by the way that you said like I'm gonna make this work like I'm not that into it but I'm gonna I'm gonna figure it away like you know you're not I get that personality I like that I'm more I'm so that way too so I get it yeah I have something funny to say.

After we had that weird couple, the one that was talking to the dog, I came home from work one day and Damien asked me, he's like, you know, we have to talk about this. Are we going to be slutty or selective? What did you choose? So I thought about it for a day and I'm like, no, we're going to be slutty because it's all about the fun. Right. Right. And then safety, obviously safety.

But what's the point? The point is to have fun. Yeah, I love that. And this is why I like talking to so many different couples because you just get a different angle from everyone. I mean, I could, you know, I could talk to 15 couples who are swingers and everyone's going to give me a different point of view and make me see it in a different way, you know, that you guys just saying,

and I love how you explain it. Like you chose slutty and then you explained why. Because like for you, that's just like you want to have fun. You don't want to have like boundaries. or rules or, you know, you're just doing it. Well, a little bit, a little bit of boundaries and rules. But the main goal is fun. Yeah.

Together. Mm-hmm. Yeah. We talked about chatting separately with people. And I feel like that's not doing it together then. So I wasn't okay with that. Right. Unless it's for a surprise.

Like, yeah. Let's get back to your first guy when you had your first interracial experience. Was that the guy that came? Is that your favorite guy? Was it at him? No, it's a different guy. It's a different, different guy. So what happened in that scenario?

We talked to my first, my first BBC, we talked for, we chatted with him for quite a while before we actually, we met with him. Mm-hmm. And we sent videos back and forth, and he came over. And it was, it was, it was, it was hot. And he actually spent the night a couple of times. and I was slept in between both of them. And that's amazing, an amazing, amazing experience.

I loved that. I want, see, this, and the experiences I've had, my favorite guy, I want that for Damien. I want him to have a really, really good experience, and he's not,

he's had decent experiences, but not like I have. I think it's easier for women. No, I would think it was the opposite. What do you mean? You mean, I think it's the, opposite for, I think women tend to be more picky. I feel like when I'm talking to couples,

I find that the woman is more particular about who they're going to hook up with and who's okay and who's not okay. And she finds it more difficult, typically, from what I've heard, to, you know, as far as like she's more picky about who she's down to fuck, whereas the man is, I think, more open tends to be because if we're just going to be stereotypical, we're going to say that men are just more visual than women and women need more. And I hear that a lot. So the fact that you're able to have scored so well and found a couple of favorites and he has,

and I think isn't so typical, but interesting, you know, and it's just the case for you guys. Yes. Yes. Right? I mean, Damon, you've got the short end of the stick here. Where's your perfect girl? Like, what are, what is the, what is your high school fantasy that you haven't had yet? Or what is it that you're looking for?

You know, I have on my bucket list still a multiracial, um, me with four women. Okay. A white woman, a black woman, Asian woman, a Hispanic woman. And, and then myself. Now have you guys tried to hook this up? that would take a lot of work If anyone can do it If anyone could do it

It's you guys Rachel can It may kill me But I'm okay with that You know me with four women Would be pretty awesome So now have you guys had more than one couple experiences

We've been to a couple Like small parties We're like four or five couples But we really don't We don't really play well in those situations. We really play with each other and just sort of watch what's going on in those situations. We need to meet somebody. We need to connect with them a little bit before we jump into the bed.

Yeah. So like if we go to a club, you know, it's usually Rachel and I playing and watching what's going on. Yeah. And being watched is really hot for me. I'm a little bit of an exhibitionist. we really even had a multi-couple experience because we kept our couples separately. There's people we see on a regular,

somewhat regular basis or what have you, and we haven't brought them together. Maybe we're going to change that. We need to throw a party. Yeah, have your own house party. Maybe like your own house party will be a different experience than going to somebody else's.

We're comfortable with everybody there already. Yeah, yeah, you know everybody. You're the nucleus of that scenario, so that's probably different than going and not being that person. Yeah, we've been to some parties where we met people and made plans to meet later. But just jumping into the party, we need to know people a little better. We're not polyamorous, but we need to know that we have some connection besides just wanting to get into bed. Now, let me ask you this because, you know, she loved the BBC experience. Was that a real turn on for you as well?

It was because I knew that was something she's wanted for so long. So I found her a couple. And one of them was open to buy play, which was kind of fun. So we went down on them together and stuff like that. But I think at one point they got too real for him because he wouldn't admit to himself that he was into the buy thing. and I think it got a little too real for him at one point and he just ghosted us. Oh, really? After you guys hooked up?

We've hooked up several times. And each time we hooked up, we did a little more buy stuff and which I was fine with. I have my limits where I'm willing to go. But in one point, I think he did something that he wasn't comfortable with. He went down on me for like two seconds

and then I think caught himself and stopped and that was the last we saw of him. Right. He wasn't okay with that. Now, what are your limits with guys? Is it like you'll just do oral? So Rachel's pegged me before, which I kind of like. So I'm curious to what the real thing is like.

More out of a curiosity than I want to get fucked to be ass. but I don't have a desire to top someone else. It doesn't really appeal to me. But yeah, that would be pretty much where we would go oral and I wouldn't mind getting that experience once to see if I like it. Right. And now, Rachel, is that something that you fantasize about since you're very into like guy on guy action?

That doesn't sound so appealing to me. I would like it again because it's something he wants to experience. Yeah, yeah. But I like him being more in control. Oh, interesting. You don't want to see him as a bottom. Right. Yeah, you know, I've heard a lot of guys who are doing these kinds of things behind

the right back and they always say to me like, I just don't, I know she won't be into it because she won't want to see me in that role. You know, it's the, and it's interesting to hear you as a woman say, that's true, that that's something that you are, that wouldn't so much turn you on, though you're down because you guys are so, you know, open to pleasing your partner. And maybe I would like it. I just don't know it yet. Right. We've done so many firsts since February, things that I never thought I would do. Like what?

So you never know. I'm not against anything anymore. And then there's couples that we see pictures of, and I'm like, oh, I'm not attracted to them. And then one girl was very kinky and Damien was really wanting to get with them. So they came over and we were with them a few times. And so now I don't allow myself to be shallow and go just by their pictures because you never know. So tell me about that experience with that girl. When you say she was like very kinky, is that something that wasn't a turn on for you?

and like what was it about her that you knew she was kinky and like what does that mean? Do you want to answer to Danien? Yeah, when we were looking through her profile, they're pictures of her like with a ball gag and tied up and wearing a picture of her with a tail. Uh-huh. You know?

And I'm like, it seems like in the lifestyle, people are very vanilla within the lifestyle. Mm-hmm. There's not a lot of kink. So when you find someone who's in the lifestyle and into some kinky stuff, you know, I think that's a rare find.

Yeah. maybe at least for our experience with people on the website we're on I know there's other websites that are more focused on kink fringe activity so you know she she was attractive and she was interested in being tied up and gagged and all that good stuff and you know I've always been into the bondage and discipline aspect of things more than the S&M so I'm like Anyone will let me tie them up. I'm down. Yeah. So that was where she kind of stood off from the crowd.

Right. So we played with them a few times. And now, Rachel, you were like, I'm not really into this at all. But then when they came over and it was you realize, oh, like you can get into that. Or is that what the experience was? Is that why you brought up? I wasn't attracted. Sorry, I wasn't attracted to the guy.

Yeah. Oh, okay. But he ended up being very cute and a lot of fun and he's not necessarily my type. But again, this isn't, I'm not dating him. I'm not going to, you know, it's just, it's just fun. I was going to, one of the guys that one of the first guys we met, I reached out to him, I think, because he was a Dom. Uh-huh. And I really enjoyed that experience.

Yeah. It was different. and it was very 50 shades-ish and Damien's not into that at all. So we saw him a couple of times. I would see him again. But Damien's not interested. So it's fine.

I don't need that. It was just different and fun. And Damien does his share of discipline with me. So I'm not missing out on anything. Right. But you realize doing that, that you were down for that. Yeah, I'm a little bit of a, yeah, I did.

I did. Now, you said, oh, I, you know, we've done a lot of first and we've done so much more than most people just since February. Like, give me that list, if you can, that you've checked off your bucket list. Well, for myself, besides being with a woman and being with a couple and going to house parties and going to a club, I got my nipples pierced, which I said never would I ever. I had my clitoris hood pierced. I've gotten tattoos. Never had I ever before I was 54 gotten a tattoo. Yeah.

It's like he said. We're like Amish teenagers. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, totally. I mean, because you said that you... What did you write again on your wrist? Oh, I have a... I can stand it.

I can stand it, right. And that's... I can stand it. Mm-hmm. That's huge. Yeah. And that's what you do when you do when you're cowering in the corner. Now, do you still cry? I mean, that's a little hardcore.

No. I know. I know. No, I haven't done that in months. Okay. Right, babe? Yeah. It's been a steady progression in the right direction, which is good for me, because I can't really perform and I'm worried about her. Of course. I kind of like her a lot. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Listen, you guys have a lovely relationship. I love how much you are downed to open yourself up to experiences for the other person. I think that that's really great. And I think that probably wouldn't be if you didn't have the trust and the communication and the foundation that you have going in, right?

Right. Right. But you're also just that type. You're also both very open people. You said even before in every way, you're both the type that if you do something, you do at hardcore. You know, I mean, just like you're, you're like the perfect concoction. Yeah. This isn't something we could have done early in our relationship. I don't know how people, and I'm not judging them. I just don't camera out my mind around being

in a new relationship with someone and being in the lifestyle. Right. I mean, for me, the fact that we have almost 30 years together, you know, this works because we have 30 years of communication. Right. I also have to, I wanted to say that I had to change, I'm still working on, changing my way of thinking where monogamy is the only appropriate way to have a relationship. Mm-hmm. That it's, and it took a lot of reading and listening to blogs and we even called into John and Jackie and I had an hour session with them. And because I had to change my way of thinking that this is okay. if the two people are both agreeable.

Yeah. This is an acceptable relationship. Right. Mm-hmm. And a lot of people would say it doesn't take away. It's like additive, right? It's only added to your relationship, probably in a positive way. I think for the most part for sure.

Mm-hmm. I mean, you definitely have the energy. Did you guys listen to Gemma and Bob their episode recently? you have, you guys as a couple have the same energy as them. And you should listen to their episode because, and people love them. And they got a lot of great comments and mostly because it was just, you know, it was mostly about their relationship with each other and the strength there and that. And so everything that they did outside of that with other people,

there's like a more so of a lightness to it than any kind of. of like dark or seediness because they're so happy and solid as a couple together, you know, going in. So it just came across as a very positive. And like in this situation, you know, you're very open about some negatives things that have come up, but there's still such a positive overview of the whole thing because of, I think, like I said that, that because you guys as a couple is so strong that that outweighs all these other little things that come up.

Right. And if I have some sort of a jealousy moment, whether he's chatting with somebody, and I'm in the chat, tell me, hey, beautiful, and I have to remind myself, we're flirting, and this is part of the game, and he doesn't think less of me. He still thinks I'm the most beautiful. I'm the most sexy. And I have to remind myself. And I can tell him every time I have.

any sort of doubt and he is very supportive and reassuring right and that's important yeah to give I had a girlfriend call me up recently about a new guy she was dating and he like wanted something and I'm like why don't you just like give him that it was like you know and she was just like I don't know she seemed very defensive I'm like that's like so weird like you know if you're in a relationship you're on the same side and if your partner need something why not give it to them as opposed to you know sort of go against it but you see that a lot it's weird, right? You do see a lot of couples interacting that way, you know, instead of being a team and being together. And I think, you know, you're always going to get so much more. If someone asks for

something, just give it to them, especially in the situation. You have to give somebody else that trust every time they ask for it. And that's only going to further that and help you move past it and continue. And I'm sorry, but like if you have a woman that's open. to doing, like, why wouldn't you give her that, you know? And anybody that doesn't or anything, but I think that a lot of times that doesn't happen or people aren't really listening, but that also comes again to your guys. Great communication. Now, Damien, she's been very honest about her feelings that have come up that have been

negative towards the situation when she's been jealous or when, you know, things that she's like, what about you? Has anything come up for you that wasn't positive? Yeah, I've had a few twinges of, you know, what's going on and some going on that I don't know about. But, I mean, literally, like, fleeting moments. For the most part, 99.999, it's been very positive for me. My biggest negative is watching it be challenging for Rachel. You know, I mean, I feel like part of my role as her husband is to protect her and take care of her.

and this is something that she's committed to wanting to move forward on, but sometimes it's hard. And, you know, watching your spouse do something difficult that's emotionally difficult is challenging. Mm-hmm. But my negativity, for lack of a better word, is really only come from the sense of she's having trouble now. Right. Mm-hmm. but you haven't felt any kind of jealousy or any of that kind of stuff.

But no, if I see her with someone and she's moaning and and fucking and doing her thing and how she's enjoying it I mean that's I want her to enjoy it. That's awesome. That's what we're here for. Yeah, yeah.

So before we end, why don't we like end with Rachel's? Like, why don't you tell me your hottest experience? Was it with the BBC? Was it with that guy? I don't know. And then Damien, why don't you tell me yours? My hottest experience is when we are with a open-minded male who is open to kissing my husband. Right.

Okay. That's top of the doctor's real. Yeah. Yeah. I'm telling you, the kissing. Mm-hmm. It gets me hotter than the blowing. Interesting.

Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. Well, what's interesting is how many guys will blow me but won't kiss me. Right. Yeah, that's interesting too. Yeah, I didn't even think of that. But yeah, I would, I would, even though that doesn't make sense, but I think a lot of people would rather blow than kiss because they think of, you know, kissing is in a different box. You know, it's like intimate or it's romance.

More intimate, right. Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh. But I personally think, I don't think, listen, I've always felt like kissing is very sexual and it is very hot. And so I've never put it. But I do think a lot of people separated. You know, they don't think of kissing a sexy or hot.

It's more like romantic. But I think, you know, it is very sexy. And for you, it is to see your guy with another guy. Now, what about for you, Damien? What's your hottest experience? Not so much what you want to see, but like that time that she did this. I don't know. Let's go out with a hot story.

We had a couple come over to the house. And we started off with what we call it. Nottie Jenga. It's Jenga, but each piece has an act on. It's like crossing you, Jenga, Truth, and Dare. Yeah. And we all wind up naked, and just a great experience of full swap. And she's blowing me, and I don't even know what she's doing it.

It's like some weird new maneuver. And then we're having sex, and she's, you know, my wife can be everything, but she can't be, she can't be different. She can't be new. So it was one of the first experiences where it was like with someone where we were both doing well. And I wasn't worried about her because she was having fun. And it was just a great experience. I know what your favorite was, babe.

Do you? I know what you? Yeah, the daisy chain. What was the daisy chain? Who was that? Oh, I retract my answer to the daisy chain. The Daisy chain is my highest experience. Okay, I'll delete that one.

No, I'm not going to delete it. Tell me the Daisy chain. So I'm in the chair getting blown by this Latino woman, which I'm really into Latinos. Uh-huh. And how did this go? Her husband was eating her out. He was like underneath her eating her out. And Rachel was blowing him.

Wait a second. I got to get this picture in my head. Okay. So there's four people there. Okay. So she's standing up or sitting down? The Latina. I'm in the chair.

You're sitting down. I'm sitting down. She's blowing you. She's on her knees in front of me. Yeah, blowing you. And he's on his back underneath her. So she's basically sitting on his face. Oh, okay.

And Rachel is blowing him. Wow. Okay. And the only thing that would have made that better is if we were in a position where I could have come around full circle and gone down on Rachel. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So complete the chain. Yeah.

But that was, that was, that was, that was very hot. And that was a couple. Now, do you still see that couple? You like Latinas,

you said? They don't live close to us, but we're still in contact with them. So we go out of town once a month for a house party. And we make a weekend of it. So when we go there, it's about 150 miles.

So when we go there, we'll try to connect with them again. How many couples? We're only with them once. How many couples do you think you guys have been with since February. Oh my God. Oh, my God.

That's right. It's been like a feeding frenzy. It's hard to count. Between couples and single guys and single women. Yeah. I'd say probably a dozen. Right. And then a lot of them have been multiples where we saw them more than once.

Right, right, right. Of course. So you've met up with them. So we generally have something going at least once or twice a week. Yeah, that would have been the better question, like how many times a month you do it? So at least once a week or once or twice a week. We're on a hiatus right now, but... How come? Because of the holidays.

I mean, why are you on a hiatus? Well, Rachel had some surgery, so we're out of commission three weeks. Right, right, okay. So we're on week, we're on week three or week four. So you're close to... Yeah. I'm not talking for a little bit longer. Okay.

And then so once you're done, you'll be down and then you guys will start up again. Yeah. I'm dying over here. Oh my God. hilarious. Well, that is so, listen, I really love this story. You know, at first, when you first email me, I loved the whole Orthodox Jewish thing, you know. But I feel like even without.

that. We didn't really touch upon that a lot because that is a little separate from you right now because you've gone into this into the lifestyle. I just, I love your guys' experience. I think you, like I said, are very similar to Gemma and Bob in the strength of your relationship, which I think people will enjoy. And it's just a great story. I'm so glad that you guys called in. I'm so glad that we got Rachel on three way. I know, I know that you said she must. might join in, but I mean, you joined in a lot. And it's, it was great to hear your side of things, too. I think it's great always to have, when we're talking to a couple, to have both people's, you know, perspective on. Right. I had fun. This was fun. Yeah, I love it.

And I just want to make one. I just want to clarify one thing that we realize that objectively we're misbehaving. You mean as far as in what sense? As far as religiously, yeah, and I don't want anyone to hear this as an endorsement to misbehave. It's just our story that we're making a decision

to misbehave. Right. And what's the difference between, like what's the difference? Well, I don't want, I don't want people to be like, we're trying to be a flag to Right, yeah.

People who, to come rally around this, this concept. you know, hey, religious world. Yeah, but no, and I listen, I think, Yeah, no, and I think that that's great because, and I think that's why, and I think what's why it's not going to come across that way is because it, A, because you said that's not where you guys are coming from.

And that's why the conversation didn't become about that, right? It was just something we touched on for one second. Whereas I thought, like honestly, when I got your email that that's what it was going to be about. But obviously, because that's not what you. you're here to say, it didn't become about that. I think that you don't even need that part of the story here. We didn't focus on that. You guys didn't because, like you said, that's not what you're advertising. And so I think that people aren't going to take, like, I could cut out the fact that

you're Orthodox, you're an Orthodox Jew from this whole episode and the story would still stand. You don't need it and it wasn't really a big part of it. And I'm glad that it wasn't because like you said, it's not what you're here to say. You guys know what you're doing. Like you said, this was something that you, you know, you became religious in 2001. And right now, this is what you're doing and you know that they don't go together. And you'll figure out how they do and if they do in the future. Right. We'll figure it out together and whatever we do as a single unit. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm glad that you made that distinction. But I also feel like when you listen to it back and what like it's it's not it never went in that direction because it

didn't have to do and because that's not the truth I think that the truth of your story came out and that wasn't a big part of it because it's not a big part of it right now and it doesn't need to be that's your guy's thing that you will work out awesome right yeah I love it yeah I'm glad you made up that distinction and we we brought that out but wait till you hear it back. You guys are going to love like hearing your story as a third person. It's going to be even more interesting. Very cool. You guys are very cool.

Thanks so much for calling in and sharing your story. It's going to air very soon. So keep to stay tuned. Okay. All right. Thanks, Kathy. Thank you guys. Bye.

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