Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 441 - Where Are They Now? Escorts, Threesomes, Foursomes an Engagement, Pee Play and More...Updates from Past Guests
Episode Date: January 13, 2022Where are they now?? Molly (episode #336), Leo (episode #394), Dr. Guy and Viktoria (episodes #392 & #393) and Angel (#399) all call in with juicy updates. Molly the escort is still escorting nd curre...ntly dating and she calls in to talk all about it, Does her new boyfriend know she's escorting, was he a former client? and does her booty call guy know she's dating now? Tune in for all the details plus hear all about another big change in her life and how she wound up sleeping with a Strictly Anonymous listener. Leo also slept with a couple listeners as well and he calls in to explain exactly what happened when he hooked up with two couples who contacted him after his last episode. And then Dr Guy and his girlfriend Victoria call in to share some great news that happened over the last year as well as give the juicy detials of the foursome that took place right after the "big news." And then Angel calls in to talk all about how her dom side guy and the issues they are now having, how she's been hooking up with other guys, the threesome she almost had wiht a couple she met in a bar, pee play with her dom, the swinger party they attended and the female orgy that went down and more. To contact Leo email him at chaoslive002@gmail To check out Viktoria's bikini line go to https://undressedboutique.com **To see anonymous pics of Angel, Molly, Viktoria and Dr. Guy plus most of my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at strictlyanonymouspodcast@gmail.com or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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call my hotline 347, 4203579. The number is in the description. Now listen, today I have on
a lot of people from the past. But even if you haven't heard their
like initial episodes, it doesn't matter like this.
Where are they now, quote unquote, episode will be interesting because every story is interesting
on its own, but it's also mostly an update on some of my past guests.
I picked out the most interesting updates of them all and had these people call in and give me
their updates over the phone. These are them. I have one from Molly, who is the escort. I think I
spoke about it before. She called in. She's still escorting. She talks about that. She talks a little bit,
you know, she gets specifics on that. She's also seeing a guy. Did she meet him while she was
escorting? Was he a client? Was he not? Is she still fucking her booty call guy? Does he know about the other
guy? Does the guy that she's dating know about her escorting as well as her booty call guy? All of this stuff we talk
about as well as she gives us scupage on what she's going to school for and what her future plans are.
and it couldn't be more perfect for Molly.
And there's one more thing about Molly.
Like she did hook up with a strictly anonymous listener.
We talk about that.
She gives the details about that hookup.
Then I go right into Leo.
Now, Leo was episode number 394.
The title was Leo was into humiliation,
foot worship, glory holes, and a whole lot more.
Now, let me just tell you that episode was hardcore.
Okay, he's hardcore.
He's into some hardcore stuff.
He's still going to glory holes.
He talks about that.
He did also hook up.
with two couples who listened to my show and emailed me about him.
He gave a shout out on his first episode.
He gives another shout out on this episode.
He lives in Los Angeles area and he likes to hook up with couples.
And he did hook up with two different couples for my show.
And he talks all about it.
He gives those specific details.
So I was like, when I heard that, I was like,
can you please come on and tell me that story?
So you're going to hear from Leo and you're going to hear about his two hookups.
as well as what he's doing at glory holes now that he goes and what he's currently really hooked on.
And then we get into Dr. Guy and Victoria.
Now, they called in together many times.
They've also called in separately.
Victoria's episode was 393.
If you want to hear about a girl who's down to fuck, like, and loves it.
Foursomes, five sums, brothers, fathers, everybody, girls, tons of girls, orgies.
I mean, this is the girl.
You got to listen to her episodes, 393.
she's dating Dr. Guy.
They have a very open relationship.
Dr. Guy has been on a ton of times.
He's episode 392 and a bunch of other times.
They had big news to share with everybody.
They happened to be friends of mine,
so I knew about this big news.
So it's like,
you have to come on and give it to my listeners
because people have been listening to their story,
which is fascinating.
Like I said,
if you haven't heard it,
go back and listen to their episodes
because they're like a very super good looking couple
who lives in New York City and who travels the world and who has threesomes, foursomes, five,
sums, orgies, all of that.
Now, after they got the good news and the good news happened, they had a foursome and they
talk all about that.
So that's what they give on their update.
You know, what is the good news?
They tell you.
And then how did the foursome happen right after?
They explain that one too.
They get into details.
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I think last we spoke, she was just setting it up, but it is fully operational.
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And then last but not least, we have Angel.
Angel had a lot going on.
Angel is the woman who has an open relationship with her husband.
She was episode 399.
She has an open relationship, but she has one guy that she's really hooked on.
Now, she had a lot of other guys.
She was the one who did jigilos.
I mean, remember that word, jigilos and women and married men?
She hooked up with them all.
You should listen to her episode 399.
But her update today is about how her main guy, her dom, her guy that she's seeing,
you know, with her husband's permission, how messy that relationship is getting.
In the messiness, she has hooked up with other people.
They did go to a swingers club and have, you know, like a girl orgy that went down.
They had a little pee play with them.
We get those kinds of stories.
and we also get the unfortunate, you know, update on how messy their relationship has got and why it's getting messy and how she feels about it.
But, you know, sprinkled within that problem that she's in the midst of, she does give these other little details of all the SCX that they've been having.
Not just with him.
She tried to get him back because he was seeing somebody else and she started fucking other people.
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Hey, Molly.
Welcome back to the strictly anonymous podcast for my Where Are They Now episode.
Hi, thanks for having me.
No, thanks for coming back on.
I always love you.
You're one of my most popular female guests.
You called in a long time ago.
The first time you called in, you were just having sex with men and women
doing all kinds of things.
If people haven't listened to all of your episodes,
they need to go listen to them now.
You could find all of them on YouTube.
If you find you on YouTube,
like I think you have your own playlist
or if you find one of your videos,
the links to all of them are there.
But, you know, last we spoke,
and, you know, as we've spoken over the years,
you started escorting.
You were very happy as an escort.
You've told, you know, about a lot of your experiences.
And when you wrote into me recently,
You said that there were some new development.
So why don't you explain what's going on since the last time we spoke?
Well, let's see.
It's been over a year, I think, since we last spoke.
Since then I have started dating someone.
It's not serious, serious, but it's getting there.
And also, a couple weeks ago, got accepted to graduate school, so I will be doing that.
And I actually, I lost one of my jobs during COVID.
And then the other one, I actually just kind of quit the other day to focus fully on school.
Oh, there you go.
There was a whole article the other day on like, I don't know, there was some day,
just the other day that there were so many people that quit their jobs at the same time.
You were like one of those people.
It's like a trend.
I was one of those people, yeah.
You know what I'm talking about?
It was like $4.5 million.
$4.5 million people like quit their jobs.
You're one of them.
So wait a second.
Let's start with, okay, you're still escorting, correct?
Yes, yep.
And is that still going...
Yeah, but doing it, it's still going strong.
I love it.
I stay pretty busy doing it.
I enjoy it, and I probably keep doing it until I can't do it anymore.
Okay, the million-dollar question for me when you told me that you were dating somebody is like, does that guy...
Well, no, there's two questions.
One is, like, did you meet that guy while escorting?
And two, does he know what you do and that you are an escort?
Yeah, I actually met him. He was a client.
Oh, okay.
Yep, it was during the pandemic, I kept working.
Not a whole lot. There was a lot of girls not working. There was a lot of guys not seeing people.
And I kind of balanced that out where I was getting clients from other girls who weren't working.
And of my clients that weren't seeing people, you know, I was picking up people that way.
So I kind of stayed steady through the whole pandemic.
The only tough thing was staying in hotels got really difficult
because there was anybody in there.
So the few people that were in the hotels,
they kind of knew who you were and if there were people coming and going.
So that got a little difficult.
Did they catch wind?
Did they give you like side eye when you be walking in and out of the lobby?
Or like, oh, here comes Molly again.
You know, I think that there was a couple places that may have,
had an idea, but I think they were so happy to have the business that it really didn't matter.
Yeah, just to see people.
But you never know when you're going to get that, yeah, you never know when you're going to
get that front desk person who just doesn't agree with what you're doing.
So I was kind of bouncing around and going farther and farther out of the city until I was
like, I can't do this anymore, like with the hotel thing.
And so I actually got hooked up with another provider and we got an apartment together.
She had an apartment and needed a roommate to share the expenses with.
And so I ended up doing that.
And it actually worked out really well.
Oh, okay.
So because you do this out of state, like far away from where you live.
So this apartment is out of state because I know that you used to always work out of state.
It was something that you did very far away from home like once a month.
You split town, correct?
Yeah.
And so this apartment is in that same area?
Where I work, yeah.
Where you're doing escorting.
I mean, you have two jobs.
You have your regular vanilla life.
Nobody knows what you're doing.
Then you have the secret life where you're an escort and you go do that
around once a month.
So you see guys at this apartment and that girl and you and her like take turns,
seeing clients.
Yeah.
When I'm in town,
I use the apartment and then every,
the rest of the time,
I'm only in town eight days a month.
And so when I'm there,
I live there and I stay there.
And then when I'm gone,
she comes and goes and uses it for her work.
Does that building have a,
doorman?
No.
Okay.
I guess you wouldn't, like if that's what you're setting up, you're never going to get a place
with a doorman.
I know that when my booty call guy comes to my place, I'm always like, oh, my doorman
just is always, I just feel like they know.
I don't know.
Me and my guy always makes jokes about it because he doesn't even like call him up.
And then sometimes he leaves like, he's in and out.
And I'm like, oh, he thinks you're paying me.
I don't know.
I just always think doormant, you know, they, they definitely are like gossipy.
That's just maybe my projection, because I analyze.
everything. So you're doing this, you know, there. You're still very happy. Now, tell me how you
transition from this guy seeing you as a client to dating him. Well, I only saw him once as a client,
and then at the end of the date, I didn't really have anything afterwards, and it was kind of late,
and so we just kind of hung out for a little bit, probably like an extra hour. And we just
chatted and then he
as he was leaving, he was like,
I, I really, I really like you.
I was like, oh, thanks.
You know, I, okay.
And then he's like, no, I'd like to take you out.
You know, you kind of hear that stuff all the time.
But he seemed really genuine about it and he was very nice about it.
And I was like, well, if I don't have anything tomorrow around dinner time,
I'll let you know.
And then the next day came and it was dinner time and I was hungry.
You know, it was during the pandemic.
So I hadn't been out much.
And this was still when I was still in hotels.
and it usually between clients I'm able to go out and go shopping or you know go somewhere or do something or meet up with friends somewhere.
But during the pandemic, I was stuck in a hotel room, you know, all the time.
And it got really just claustrophobic and I just wanted to get out and do something.
So I said yes.
And I had a really good time.
And then the next night he was like, I think we should do this again.
And I was like, sure, I'll let you know next time I'm in town.
And then it just kind of went from there.
I was really apprehensive at first because a lot of, a lot of girls say, well, if they want to date you,
it just means they don't want to pay you, which can be true.
And so I was a little wary about that.
I was a little standoffish at the beginning because I didn't know if that's what it was.
So I kind of kept him at arms-lakes for quite a while until I realized that he was pretty genuine about it.
But how did like that first night of sex go with him?
Like, what was he looking for?
Did you feel a chemistry with him?
When he was paying.
He had sent me an email, and I read the first part, and he were kind of introduced himself.
And then there was a second paragraph that I didn't really read the whole thing.
All I saw was something about health issues, so I assumed he was older, a lot older.
Because most guys who have health issues are usually the older.
And I cater to more, you know, over 35 is kind of my...
35 is kind of my minimum, and then most of my clients are in their 60s and 70s.
So in my mind, he was very old, like an older gentleman.
And so when I answered the door, I was surprised at how young he was.
And it was turned out he had been in a car accident.
And so he was still recovering from the car accident, and that's why.
But he hadn't seen anyone in a while.
So when I saw him, I was just surprised that he was, and he's still a little bit older.
I mean, he's still in his mid-50s, but he looks a lot younger than he is.
And I was just, I was kind of happy to see that he was a little younger because sometimes
the older guys are a lot.
And is he your type?
Yeah, yeah, but is he, is he your type, like, is he the type of guy that if you were out
at a bar and weren't meeting him in this kind of scenario, that you would be like,
oh, he's kind of handsome?
You know, I don't really have a type.
I really just kind of go by the person.
I mean, if you looked at the spectrum of people that I've dated,
you couldn't pin down one.
No, I know.
I'm the same way, but sometimes there's just something about the person.
It's not so much a type, but there's this thing about someone that just stands out
that you're like, oh, you just look at them and you're like, oh, he's, you know,
there's something interesting there.
Like, would he be the guy, you know, if you weren't in this scenario that you would,
be attracted to just regularly?
Or was it getting to know him and having sex with him that did it for you?
It was more getting to know him.
He kind of persisted where I was just like initially I just kind of wanted a free meal, you know?
Right, a company, right?
Adult conversation.
Company.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, but then he kind of kept persisting and he kept calling.
And, you know, if it had been on my end, I probably wouldn't have called.
Yeah.
him.
But I would have done that with probably anybody,
so I don't think it was a personal,
personal towards him.
Yeah.
But I, you know, I did answer and I did continue to see him.
So, and it just kind of evolved that way.
It's interesting because, like, listen,
I think a lot of, like, weird things
and ripple effects of COVID, you know,
probably happen.
And in this situation, you know,
maybe if he was my friend, it would be the same story.
Like, oh, I saw this.
escort it. Normally I just like, you know, hit it and leave, but, you know, she was kind of nice that
nobody's interested in meeting up, so I thought maybe I'd take her out. You know, I mean, maybe
that kind of put you both in the perfect place to decide to do something that maybe that you
neither one of you would ever really do, but you did it and it led to this connection, which is
like amazing, right? Yeah. Yeah, that is. That's actually a really good way of explaining it. Thank you.
Yeah. You know, but it's like it all,
the stars aligned and you were both and it put you guys together but if all these other things
didn't exist maybe that would have never happened and now how long have you been seeing him
um a little over a year i think it was maybe october of last year when we met so now is it a long
distance relationship does he live closer to you do you only see him when you go out there and also
how does he feel about the fact that you're still escorting i'm assuming he knows
yeah, he knows, and he was fine with it. I actually think he kind of dated an escort before me,
and I've never really been clear on the relationship between the two of them. I know it was
more than a client's provider relationship, but it wasn't a relationship relationship. I think it
was somewhere kind of in the middle, and then she ended up moving away. So I think that he knew a lot
about my side of the business
ahead of meeting me,
which is great,
because then I don't have to explain things all the time
or like to kind of justify things or, you know.
But he seemed to understand right away,
which I really appreciated because I was always very nervous
about the dating aspect.
And I hadn't really thought about it,
honestly,
because I was happy with where I was.
I didn't really want to be in a relationship.
I was fine being single.
I was getting late all the time.
And I constantly had conversations, you know, with guys, even though if it was only for an hour and never again, or sometimes it was on a reoccurring basis.
And, I mean, I was content with where I was at.
So it was actually kind of a surprise that it all happened.
Yeah, you had your needs met and you felt completed.
And I remember we've had this conversation before about you wanting or the lack of wanting a relationship because your needs were being met.
And you also did have a booty call guy that you were seeing who made a little appearance on,
or maybe, I don't know if it was our last call, but he did call in because he would listen to your episodes here.
He was a good friend of yours.
I think I was kind of rooting for you guys maybe one day hooking up.
I don't know if that was, I don't think you really felt that desire, but I always wondered if maybe he was secretly hoping that you did.
I mean, what happened with him?
Because I know he was your friend too.
Yeah, he's still around.
He doesn't know.
Oh.
But I've been seeing someone.
Yeah.
I just don't, I just don't, because we're very good friends.
Yes.
We do, and this is where my confusion comes in, I guess,
is that I haven't told him, we are still sleeping together.
I haven't told the new guy about him.
He knows that he's good.
And he has questioned me about him before, and I just kind of avoided everything.
Because people don't really understand that our relationship really is a friends with benefits.
We are very good friends who have sex, but we haven't, you know, crossed any lines with that.
Like, it's worked out very well for the last, I don't know, five, six years.
And so I guess the way I justify it is that if he's going to be okay with me sleeping with clients,
then if there's no romantic relationship, then it's okay for me to still sleep with him.
I don't know if that's true because I haven't asked him.
Right.
And probably the 1% part of you that thinks, oh, no, maybe he wouldn't be okay with it
is the reason why you don't really fully bring it up.
Because I'm assuming it's because you don't want to let go of that.
Is it because that other guy lives far away and you don't have like constant access there
and this guy fills in that void?
I mean, why not, like, risk giving that up by telling him?
Is it because you want to keep both of them around?
Which is not a bad thing.
It's not necessarily about keeping either of them around.
It's more of just avoiding the conversations, not wanting to have the conversation.
You know, my friends with benefits here, I don't know.
I guess I just, I don't know how he's going to react to it.
I don't know if he's going to be totally okay with it or if he's going to
just not ever want to hang out again or like, and I just like the way that our friendship is,
and I don't really want to change that, whether we're sleeping together or not.
And I'm afraid if I do tell him, then it's going to change our friendship.
And that's why I don't, I think that's why I don't want to tell him.
Well, let me ask you this.
Has he ever asked you about, because listen, he knows that you're an escort.
He's listened to all of these episodes.
I know that.
So he's very aware of who Molly is, right?
There's probably a lot of people in your life that aren't aware of exactly who you are,
this whole other life and how free and open you are and what you do, but you, he does.
So why would you think that it would ruin things?
I wonder.
I don't know.
I honestly, I don't know.
I guess I just didn't want to find out.
But I mean, do you think that it's because he has feelings for you and you think that
his feelings would be upset because, you know, it's one thing for you just to be banging
clients, they go home and that's it.
But this guy is becoming something more and maybe going to take his place and you're worried
that maybe he would be afraid that, you know, it's too similar to what he has going on with
you.
I don't know.
Maybe.
But, I mean, it's been a year and it hasn't really affected it so far.
Right.
But, I mean, he doesn't know.
I just, no, it's just interesting to me that you, as such an open person that you are and the
type of relationship that you have with him, which is very open. I mean, he knows everything
why he wouldn't know about this. Like, what would be the deep down inside reason for you doing it?
I would think it's because you're afraid for some reason that he would maybe not be okay with it
or the other one wouldn't be okay with it. And you kind of want to, you know, be with the both of them.
Yeah, and I think that's it. And I can't, you know, have them.
You know, if things progress with the one guy, I can't have them really both in my life at the same time.
Like, if we were, I don't know.
No, talk it out, Molly.
It's good for you.
No, it's good to talk about it.
It is.
So do you, okay, the chances of you and your real guy, the long-term friend and booty call friends with benefits, the chances of that ever turning into a relationship are like zero to none, right?
That's never going further than where it's at.
but it's great where it is, correct?
Yeah.
But the other guy, there's potential for that to turn into a relationship.
I mean, you say you're dating him.
You say the other guy is a friends with benefits.
So they are very different.
Uh-huh.
So the thing that I would just tell you, you know,
and it might make you think, oh, maybe I really should have this conversation now
as opposed to later, is that if I was like,
I've had friends with benefit situations.
And I think what's always great in those situations is that everyone's like very open with each other and very honest. And I think it would be a real fucking blow to him. And it would really feel like the rug was pulled out. If all of a sudden out of nowhere, you were like, oh, I'm like in love with this guy and I can't see you anymore. It's like, why didn't you tell me eight months ago when you met this person? You know, so that it could have happened slowly. And it's not just like a boom. You know, it's all over. And because that would be, there would be so many.
parts of that happening that would affect him because it would A, B, okay, now I can't even bang
this girl anymore. B would be, what the fuck? Why didn't she tell me about this guy all this time? Like,
we've been so open, you know? And so we would, I think it's, it's worse that way than if you tell
him now, like I just met him and this is going on and just be up front. So that, if ever it does
change, he, that, you know, you're softening the blow. He knows what to expect. There is,
trust that needs to go into a booty call relationship. I think that that's an important ingredient
and also in a friendship. And you have that with him. He's your really good friend. And I think,
you know, you really should just have the conversation. I think that he'll be totally fine with it.
And I think the reason why he'll be fine with it is if you be totally open with him about it from
the get-go, when you tell him out of nowhere, oh, by the way, I'm dating someone I can't see you
anymore, that's where you're going to have a more difficult time. Whereas I think if you just tell
now and he's he's in the know and you know by the time it happens that you you have to cut him off
he'll be okay and he'll still be your friend whereas you're more likely to lose his friendship if
you're just like one day springing on him yeah and I think that's what I'm most worried about
like I can I can live with the not sleeping together anymore but I don't think I can live about
not being his friend anymore you know but you might lose his friendship if you're dishonest it and it wouldn't
be about you sleeping with other people he knows that you do it would be about the dishonesty
sure eventually if you have that strong of a relationship, you know, he would get past it and say your friend. But there's no reason to hurt him that way. I think it's just hurtful in the long run that he would feel like, why didn't she think she could tell me? You know, you guys aren't dating. There's no reason. He knows that you're doing everything else. Why would you keep this little thing? And so I think, you know, just tell him and ease him into it. So by the time you and this guy gets serious, like I said, and you have to maybe put that off, he still remains in your life. Don't you think?
Yeah. Yes, I do. I do. I don't need to tell the other guy about him. I don't, you know, that's a different, that's a different scenario because you would stop seeing that guy, you know, and I know there's people in their cars like, Kathy, that's fucked up. Like she's, she, he doesn't know about that one and she should tell him. I don't know. That's a different, that's a whole different story, right? The guy that you're sleeping with, you know, he knows you're an escort, he knows you sleep with other people. Does he know that you have a booty call guy that you also sleep with? That's your best friend. No.
I mean, that's another conversation.
But I would suggest the friendship guy,
you just be clean with him.
Just tell him.
And don't even make it a big deal,
but just say, like, I've been seeing this guy
and I didn't even really think, like,
it was a thing, but I'm starting to like him.
I still want to sleep with you,
but like if it ever got serious,
I wouldn't, but it's not at that point yet.
You know, do like something like that.
Yeah.
And like the thing is,
we've never had those conversations.
Like, he knows everything I do,
but I don't know everything he does
because I don't ask.
ask.
Right.
Maybe because I don't, I don't know, I kind of feel like it's not of my business, but
I don't know, maybe it is.
But, you know, he can do whatever he wants, but I just don't ask him about it.
So, like, it's, I think that's what's strange about it is.
Right.
Because you guys don't really, you have a like a don't ask, don't tell kind of unspoken rule,
which works.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he asks me all the time and I'll tell him.
Oh, he does.
But I don't ever ask him what he does.
Yeah.
but when it comes to just, you know, clients and just stories and, you know,
yeah, he might dig it.
Stuff.
But, yeah, when it comes down to like the, you know, whether if he was dating somebody,
for all I know, he is dating somebody, I have no idea.
I've never asked, you know, and he's not going to tell me unless I ask.
Yeah, yeah, interesting.
Well, listen, because, you know, if things do change and you become just more like friends,
that would be something that you would discuss it.
It would be no big deal if your relationship changes and grows into something like that.
get that it works that way and that's cool. But just in case, you might just want to give him like some
sort of warning that maybe you're copping feelings for somebody else and, you know, there might be an
expiration date down the line. I don't know. Maybe people are going to disagree with me and be like,
why the fuck are you telling her that? Kathy just let her up. He doesn't care. You know, he, you know,
listen, he probably gets off on the fact that you're with other people and it might just be like a
a no big deal to him. But, you know, I think sometimes I don't care how old you are, whether you're a man or a woman.
you know, and if you're just having it friends with sex, friends with benefit, there's a little bit
of abandonment issues that goes along with that. No matter who's there, it doesn't even mean you like
somebody. It just means you like what you have and you don't want to lose it, you know, whatever that is.
So, you know, just give them a heads up. It's fine. So you're still escorting you love it.
People really should listen to your other episodes to hear all your things. What you said on this one,
I mean, I know that you had some really older guys. I remember there was like an old man that
fisted you. I remember that situation because he was like really old, but I didn't realize that most of
your guys were in the 60s and 70s. Oh, well, 50s, 60s 70s. It's about, yeah, that's about average.
I mean, I don't see, I don't normally see anybody under 35. Right. And most of them are probably mid-50s,
I'd say. And now I know that I get so many emails, like I want to meet me.
Molly, she sounds great. Because the one thing that really stands out about you is you do escorting
because you really love it. You love sex. You were doing this before. And you know, when I would
spoke to you in the beginning when you first called it and you weren't even escorting. It happened
over time while we were speaking. And then and but even before that you were sleeping with the
random guys all the time loving it, you know, and just being very open to her. And and as an escort,
you're the same way. It's not like a job for you.
You really like it. You really connect with the guys.
And so they're always multiple guys emailing me, tons of guys emailing me.
Like, oh, put me in touch with Molly. And I send them your way.
Now, have you ever had a guy like pay for you, you know, become a client for my show?
Or do you just get lots of emails?
No, I did see one.
It was a while ago, I think.
he had gotten my contact and so through you.
And I did see him once, I think.
And it was great.
And I can't remember.
I don't think he ever got back to me after that.
So I don't know.
Yeah.
It was a great for him.
Yeah, but that's cool.
But yeah.
Because I just know so many guys are always like, oh, could I, you know,
because I think what we always did was we gave the shut out of if you want to get in
touch with Molly.
You could email me.
I send them your way.
You vet them out.
And then contact whatever.
Yeah, and I try my best to get back to people.
I'm not the best at it, but I really do try.
And that's an email I don't use very often.
So when I go on there and then I have, you know, a bunch of emails, it's like, oh, then it becomes overwhelming to bring people back.
But I really do try.
And if you have it for me, I will do my best to get back to you.
And so I do apologize.
But now that I'm starting school, I'm actually going to graduate school for a degree in sexual health because I figured it's what you know.
So, yeah.
I love that.
So what does that mean?
Like, so, like, who would you be seeing and what would you be doing with that degree?
There's a bunch of, I actually just had a meeting with my advisor today.
There are a bunch of avenues that I can take.
They're sex therapists.
I always joke that 70% of my job is therapist.
Yeah.
I know more about these guys' marriages than their wives do.
Yeah.
I, you know, people would be surprised at how many people I see that I don't actually have sex with.
a lot of these guys just want to vent or want to talk about things or just get a female
perspective on things or, you know, maybe make out a little bit.
So there is a good chunk of clients that I see that I've never even had sex with.
Wow.
Interesting.
That is interesting.
Yeah.
So, you know, and that's one avenue I can take.
I'm actually looking more towards advocacy and public policy.
I think there's a lot of laws being made recently in the last couple years that,
you know, whether what political side you're on, I just want people to have the correct facts about things.
I know when like the phospha sets of laws were passed a couple years ago.
Yes, I understand that's to, you know, combat human trafficking and that's a good thing.
But at the same time, it put a lot of other girls in danger on the streets because they couldn't use the resources they had to verify clients and, you know, to check with other people.
So I just think that the voices of the other side aren't being heard.
Okay, you're doing this to protect.
And what I always said, it's like you can't shut down all the bars to keep the alcoholics out
because their alcoholics are going to find a way to drink anyways.
Exactly.
And shutting down the bars is not going to do any good.
That's not solving the problem.
It's not solving the real problem.
It's just a Band-Aid, but that issue goes someplace else and then it's actually worse
and more dangerous for those people.
Yeah, and that's what I want to do is be an advocate and give a voice to those people that these laws are affecting in negative ways.
And, like, I'm all for combating human trafficking, like, don't get me wrong.
But there are people and situations that are unseen that need to be seen and be taken into consideration when these laws are being passed.
Yeah, there's Holly Randall unfiltered.
Do you know her?
Her mom was like a porn photographer, I think.
and maybe director.
And she has a podcast where she interviews porn stores.
And I listen to her because I was going to think maybe to get Nina Hartley on.
She does a lot of podcasts.
And she was interviewing her.
And she was talking all about this, exactly what you were just saying.
You should listen to her episode.
Oh, I definitely just check that out.
I think if you get into sex therapy as well just to help people one on one,
I think that's really great because I think you have a talent for that.
You know, I think it's wonderful.
How long will you have to go to school for?
Because, you know, once you're done, you're going to come on my show as Molly the sex therapist.
You know, it'll be so interesting.
Yeah, yeah, I should graduate in fall of 2023.
Okay.
Hopefully when I come back then I'll be.
Who would have thought so many years ago when I talked to you?
Like the first episode was Molly sleeps with, you know, men and random men and women.
You know, that I was.
Yeah, yeah.
So many, so many years ago that I would be talking to you.
So the chances that, you know, by the time you graduate, I'll be talking to you and how wonderful
would it be for me to have you on as that because, you know, you all have transitioned and been
so many different people. And that's such real life. And I love that story. I love people that I've
talked to and stayed in touch with over time and seeing them change and grow. Because to me,
that's real life. We don't stay static. Most of the time I'm talking to someone. We see one chapter,
one little piece of their life. With you, I've seen a bond. And it's so, it'll be.
be so great to see you on that side of things, because that is a really nice, natural progression
to what you've been doing. And it'll just take your experience in escorting and, you know,
help. And you'll be helping people because of that experience, which I think is wonderful.
Well, yeah, and this show has helped, too, because another thing I want to do is, you know,
promote the fact that you don't have to hide from sex. You know, it's such a taboo topic.
and people just don't discuss it as often.
Everybody does it.
Everybody does it.
Everybody who has a child has had sex.
Yeah.
And the fact that, you know, I lived out on the West Coast for a while,
and then when I came back here, you know, to the Midwest area, I was like,
it is, like, people don't talk about it here.
Yeah.
It's just, it blew my mind about, you know, even my best friends, like,
would rarely speak about it.
You know, and me being open about it, it scares the shit out of people.
Totally.
Why not talk about it?
Yeah, I think I used to just, I talked about sex so much when I was younger,
was always like talking about it because it was like a way of getting attention because
nobody did.
And it's like, if you just talked about sex, everyone would be like, oh, my God, you're like
fascinating or you're crazy or you're this or that.
And I was like, oh, it's so weird because I just didn't care, but I think I just used
it as a way to get, you know, attention.
But because it was the type of thing where like you said, nobody did it.
So if you had the balls to, you were like, you know, the spotlight was on you.
And it's so weird because I'm like you, I don't think it's that big of a deal.
It doesn't fucking matter.
But it is really important.
I think the younger generation is very different in times or changing.
But I think it's still important for people.
Yeah, for like my show to be out there for our generation, right, who didn't, weren't raised in the newer environment where people are more open.
We still need this kind of help.
And there's still a lot of people that are going to need your help when you become a sex therapist.
There's still a lot of guys that need your help when they're seeing you as an escort.
and you have a relationship that's starting.
And so it's going to be so interesting to see how that goes.
Are you in love with him?
I don't know.
I think that's a no.
I think that's kind of like, do you have an orgasm?
If someone's like, I don't know, it's like, yeah, okay, that's a no.
I mean, you know, like if you, you know.
So you wouldn't know if you're in love.
But you've been seeing him for a year.
He's long distance?
What was that?
Is he long distance or does he live close to you?
no it's it's long distance it's not it's not real far but it's not real close right right so you know in the future
so you're seeing in a year it's COVID year so it's COVID time so it's like so weird you know but anyway
I love this update I think it's it's great that you're going back to school I think it's great
that you're in a new relationship and I think you should just have that conversation with your friend
and it's I don't think it's that big of a deal I think he'll be okay with it I know it's probably built
up in my head a lot more than it should be so.
It is. Just do it for him.
And just get past that fear of conversation for you because you're doing it more for him
and just do it. It'll be fine. And let me know when you do and how it's a big nothing.
But good luck with everything. And thank you so much for calling in and giving me this update.
It's great. Absolutely. Thank you so much, Kathy.
Thanks, Molly. Bye.
Bye-bye.
Hey, Leo, welcome back to the Strictly Anonymous podcast.
You were episode 394.
You have an interesting update.
The reason why I wanted you to call in.
You were a guy, though.
I mean, your episode is pretty hardcore.
People should go back and listen to it if they haven't.
It's 394.
You were into a lot of things that, I mean, are kind of like painful.
Because you're definitely like a submissive.
You're into glory holes.
You're into guys.
but always with women around.
The thing that was hardcore about you
was that you really like for women to abuse you,
like kick you in your balls and shit.
Like, I mean, it was like,
that's what I mean by hardcore.
But when you wrote me back and said you had an update,
you told me that you had sex and hooked up with two of my listeners.
So I found, I was like, oh my God,
I want those stories on my show.
Because it's kind of like, how did that happen?
Did you give a shout out to your email
or something when you called in?
I don't remember.
Yes, I got received both from the emails I gave out.
Oh, okay, so you gave out your email.
And was it just two guys that emailed you or did you get a lot more?
And these guys were just the ones that lived close to you.
I got lost more, though, like probably close to 20.
I think that's a body number.
Okay.
And then.
And yeah, some are like on East Coast.
I'm living in Los Angeles area.
And those are pretty near to me
And we got an opportunity to meet our family
And so I decided, okay, yeah, we're finding me too
So these were two guys that lived in
More like, it's actually two couples
Oh, even more interesting, two couples
Yeah, because on my email I'm giving all the information
I'm looking for a couple
Like a dominant woman's side
with her husband.
Okay, so let's tell those two stories.
I want you to tell me those two stories.
So the first couple, how did you meet them?
What did they look like?
What were they into and what went down?
It's probably almost the same kind of story, though,
and this is it was all like the, yeah, all of like one-time thing.
I don't remember all the details, how it started,
but I can say,
Like the second couple I was down around there because that was more like interesting because I might not mean the in the local hotel
Yeah and before we meet up
They asked me what we like and actually those couple like a
Both are dominant dominant and they're looking for a unicure
male slave which is me I'm into it and yeah and the lady going to be
dominant for the whole timing and then so we meet up in the hotel.
Yeah, and the lady going to, uh, forcing me to blow his guy and, uh,
help me facing up on the bed and make her mind like a slow fucking, you know, like face fucking.
And also the most interesting, like, uh, is in the daytime, probably.
like three, four AI.
Oh, sorry, three for PI.
And leave the door like half open.
And there's like two girls walking by.
They saw it.
And they're standing outside and they take a look like for 10, 20 seconds.
And they laughed and they walk away.
Well, what happened in all there, though.
Oh, so did you guys, was that their idea to keep the door open?
Were they exhibitionists as well as being doms?
Actually,
Or was it an action?
Well, because the lady asked me to face up after that.
So her man can stand in by the by and like face fucking my throat all there.
And the lady saw there's a, the wife saw there's a two girls coming up.
And the wife like opened it all on purpose because he, he know we all like this live exposed.
and the humiliation
found from strangers.
I don't know.
That's just hyper.
Oh, okay.
So she could see
that the girls were approaching.
I guess there's a window there
or something.
It's one of those kind of hotels.
Now, what was the demographics
of this couple?
Were they older?
Were they younger?
Were they hot?
Were you attracted to them?
Does it matter
what they look like for you?
There are a couple of white
American.
I've seen the lady
like a sexy,
blonde lady.
nice shape
and
her husband is like a tall
Mustang guy
probably like a mid-40s
I remember I didn't ask all the real details
yeah of course yeah
from the yeah
when I meet them
it looks young
yeah but not that young though
but like mid-40s I think
yeah yeah and did you see them
more than once or was it a one-time deal
actually just one time
both the two couples one time
but after that I moved to the other city though
And basically we stayed together about like four, five hours.
We actually did all the things we could and we got satisfied.
And we got what we were looking for.
But we didn't get an opportunity to get back together.
Right.
But they actually found you from listening to my show.
These were two couples.
Now, you kept saying face, fisting.
Like, what are you talking about?
I don't know.
Sometimes it's hard to understand.
What?
I'm sorry.
sorry about like face fucking.
Face fucking.
What's that?
When you're just like going down on him or something?
I don't understand.
What's face fucking?
Yeah.
You know,
like if I blow a guy.
Yeah.
I mean like I give her husband a bro job.
He was like looking,
humiliating me.
And the other way is like they're going to put me on the back and the guy going to move.
You know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's why I say face.
fucking.
Oh,
right, right.
He's fucking my mouth like a pussy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right.
So his,
more dominant.
Right.
And that's the kind of stuff
that you love.
It's not really, though.
Just, you know,
I'll be fun.
I still like going to the glory hole.
So, you know,
very single.
Oh, I thought you really like that,
you know, to be forced
and to be dominated and stuff like that.
Yeah, I do.
but I do. I have a lot of the things I mean to someone there, you know.
Yeah. And sometimes, yeah, I crave blowing someone from the grey hole as the local, I go to the local stores.
And after that, yeah, probably, I don't know, sometimes I have a little bit feelings, like how strong craving.
I need to go there, blow some.
And after I did, I kind of regretting.
I don't know.
There's a feeling all there, though.
But it comes off right away when the desires come back.
Oh, at the glory hole, you feel like dirty about doing it or something like that afterwards when you're done.
Yes.
And before, you know, when it turns on, I don't know.
But afterwards, yeah, that's right.
don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's common. I think if someone's doing something that they don't maybe
necessarily wholly agree is the right thing. And, you know, so you feel really guilty afterwards.
But then when the urge starts coming up, when you start to get quote unquote horny, you lose all
of that kind of rational thinking and you just want to do it again. And therein lies the cycle of
like going back for more and then you feel bad, right? Yeah, that's what happened to me after
we took the first, so for the almost a year, I say.
Mm-hmm.
A long time ago.
Oh, so you stopped going for a year?
I know.
I mean, for the last year, I just keep doing this.
Oh, and you keep, but you also still feel not so great about it.
Do you feel that same way after you hook up with, say, that couple or the other couples,
or is it only when you go to the glory holes, or is it when you do any of this kind of stuff?
Like, I say only like a small part of the times, not all the time, though.
So people
If people haven't heard your episode
One of the other really interesting parts of your episode
To me was how you had recruited
Two girlfriends
Or co-workers
Right?
And they went with you to the glory holes
Because you really
It's not just going to the glory hole
And doing what you do
There's something about having somebody
A woman witness it
you took two girls' coworkers at separate times.
And then when that didn't work out,
you also would like Snapchat and do stuff with people,
women on FaceTime.
There's something about somebody as a witness,
a female witness that really turns you on too.
Have you been doing that as well
or have you been going by yourself?
No, I haven't.
I have met any girls who's really into like directing me,
dominantly, like how to give me instructions, others to blow some guys.
I haven't met any lady yet like that.
Right.
So, yeah, while I craving, I have the desire.
I just go by myself.
Right.
And now, so the second couple, you did the same kind of stuff with them as well,
and it was just as good?
The one I told you, I think that's like second couple,
but it doesn't matter though about them.
for Sukkamp water.
Yeah.
All happened in, probably like EMS.
And the other one, which is the first couple,
I met them at their place.
And I think that's the first time the husband receiving a blow job from a guy.
Yeah, that's clear straight.
And maybe they heard our episode and they might be interested.
And the email me, we share some information.
like what we did before, what's our experience, what you're looking for, what would you like?
And they're pretty new to this, but I think they are kind of interest.
And I think her husband feels a bit awkward.
We single blow your job in front of her lady.
She's into it.
And so we finally decided the night I go to their place.
And they're going to use a pillow, cover the man's face, and the lady going to slap him next to him and make me blow him.
You know, it's like without seeing his face.
Right.
And so that's what went down.
I mean, that's what you discussed ahead of time, and then that's what went down.
Yes.
So, yeah, I went to their house.
I blowing him.
while the ladies instruct me and then give some worldview abusing and just say blow my husband
just those kind of words happening and I blow him and that's all happened yeah and I worship the
ladies feed some kind of and yeah she kicked me in the balls yeah yeah that was your other thing
the foot worship the humiliation yeah ars in a little bit face slapping
and calm eating.
Yeah, all that stuff.
And I know that you also said the other last thing that we'll talk about the difference between the last time we spoke and now is typically when you were blowing guys and you were with guys, that female aspect was a part of it and needed to be there.
You were never really with guys alone.
But I think you said to me, recently what's gone down is that you haven't been able to find female.
to take part.
So you have been seeing guys solo, correct?
Yeah, but all in glory holes.
Okay, right.
So that's what it is.
So you've been doing that normally before,
like I said, you were with the women with the glory holes.
Yeah, so that's great.
Listen, I love this brief little update
because, you know, I don't know.
Craigslist went down a long time ago.
Somehow I should set up something with my show
to make it like some, I don't know,
like a dating app or something.
I don't know, because you're not the only person who has been on my show that gave a shout
out that has hooked up and met up and made friends with listeners.
Typically, when people give me their emails, people do reach out to them.
You know, it's interesting to me that you met up with not only one, but two couples and
had a good time.
Yeah.
I'm glad to have helped.
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah.
So, you know, thanks so much for calling.
and giving that update.
Glad to know that you're doing well.
And why don't you give your shout out again?
Give your email.
Yeah, sure.
But I'm still, yeah, I'm looking for maybe a couple
who's into dominant, like a kind of dominant street.
You know, I like, yeah, I like guide directions
from the lady to blowing,
her man, you know,
and like a unicorn slave,
yeah, co-coding slave.
That's more like that.
That's what, yeah, that's what I'm looking for, though.
Yeah.
Okay, so, and how do they reach you?
Uh, yeah, email.
So my email is just, uh, uh,
chaos a lot, so C-H-A-O-S
and zero-zero-2 at gmail.com.
So chaos,
zero zero two.
Yes.
It's not Chaos Live.
Chaos Live.
I'll give that.
I'll give it.
My bye.
Yeah.
It's okay.
I have it.
I will give the email address as well.
So it's Chaos Live.
C-H-A-O-S-L-I-V-E-0-2.
002 at Gmail?
Yes.
Yeah.
And I will, don't worry, people who are listening, I will put that email in the
description. So if you want to email Leo, I always forget everyone's fake names, email him there.
Chaos Live Zero, Two at Gmail. Thanks again for calling back in. Thanks so much.
Thank you, Paisy. Hi, nice day. Bye, you too. Hey, Dr. Guy and Victoria, I have you both on the line.
I know you guys are kind of laying in bed ready to fly off to Istanbul today, but I got you on
to give your update of where, you guys,
I saved you guys for last because I think your update is fantastic.
Last we spoke, you know,
you're Dr. Guy, you've been on my show many times.
Victoria has been on more than once, once with you,
and then once by herself or maybe twice by herself.
If anybody wants to hear your guys' episodes,
they have to go back and listen to them because they're great.
But you guys are an open couple.
You're a happy, successful, non-monogamous couple.
your friends of mine, I know you guys.
And you do have a big update of what's been going on since your last episode.
So I don't know who wants to talk about it first because I have you both.
Big George just pointed to me.
So I'm doing more of the talking, but we both share the same enthusiasm.
We got engaged this past July.
Oh my God.
That is so exciting.
Very exciting.
I think I shared it with my Patreon members.
They're in the know.
if you join my Patreon, you get like the scoopage way earlier.
And you see anonymous picks.
I will put up a pick of her ring because I did before.
I'll repost that.
How many carrots, Victoria, did you score on this one?
Because I saw it.
It's huge.
It's five.
Five carrots.
Yeah.
Now listen, I mean, the thing with Dr. Guy, because I knew him before you started dating
him was, it was hard.
He was really looking for a relationship.
You're a relationship guy.
That's what I always got from you.
but you, you know, you couldn't be monogamous.
And, you know, I think your relationship is a true testament to, like, there is somebody for everybody.
And if you're really lucky enough, you'll find that somebody, because I really think you guys are so well-suited.
You have exactly what you want, the both of you.
And it really works.
Yeah, I mean, it's unlike any other relationship that either is their experience.
and we've all, you know, everyone's been through bad relationships.
And it's not even, not only the monogamy, which is the issue.
I mean, obviously we're on the same page regarding sex and how we treat it and where it fits
into, you know, a relationship and love and that these are separate things.
So no question, that's obviously a huge thing and that's where it all started.
But beyond that, the connection between us is this so insanely.
strong that we're literally around each other like nonstop you know we used to you know go to work
and have breaks so like that and you know it's it's amazing that we're together and we can be around
each other and that's hard because most people you know after a little while I don't care if they're
your brother your sister your mother your girlfriend your boyfriend your husband your wife they get on
your nerves you know and we have tremendous empathy intolerance and love
And it's just, and we reinforce this over and over and over again.
It's just the most amazing experience.
And because we, as a couple, you know, obviously we've gone to another level.
And what we've also done is really eliminated all the negative, you know, experiences, energy and people who draw upon us.
You know, everyone has that in their lives.
And so when you go through that process, and we're still going through it and we're still figuring things out, obviously.
You just feel like your life starts to soar.
And we've seen that, you know, in terms of our own personal relationship and how special that is and how reinforcing is every day.
And there's days, let's say we're in a bad mood.
But we actually navigate that where one person becomes the buffer for the negative energy, the other.
Let's have a bad day with, you know, some bad news with work or whatever, or she has some bad news with her family or with her, you know, other.
things that are alive friends, we can sense that and we are patient with each other.
So it's just like, it's just amazing.
And we're soaring emotionally, spiritually, financially, you know, it's just a crazy, crazy
experience.
And the engagement is just, you know, we're not looking to get married right now.
And that's not really what the purpose of it was.
It was more to show, you know, the,
our love and a symbol of our love, you know, and really nothing has changed in our sexual
life, you know, because we got engaged, you know, nothing really changed, but it just reinforces it.
Yeah, well, we're going to save that for the end.
Wait, wait, yeah, no, but that's where I want Victoria to step in.
Victoria, I want to, I want you to tell me the whole way the, the, the, him asking you to
marry him went down.
Now, like, were you surprised, where did it happen?
How did he ask you?
And then what did you guys do after?
Okay, that's how we're going to end it.
But start with the story, Victoria.
Yeah, I was totally surprised.
But when we walked in, so it was a friend of ours place.
It was opening of the showroom.
And it was like a bunch of our friends when we walked in.
Everyone acts so weird.
So apparently everyone knows about engagement.
that I'm going to propose me.
So everyone actually appeared and it was like,
what's going on?
Like, so weird.
And I told.
That's so funny that she's picking up on it.
Yeah.
Yeah, I told my friend.
So I bought the ring from a friend of mine who was also there.
I told my friend who obviously I asked him it was okay.
It was a, you know, it's a beautiful place.
And we actually were dressed up for the first time in our entire relationship.
She was wearing a cocktail gown.
And I was wearing a suit.
As we're walking into Uber, she says, it feels like we're going to a wedding.
Oh, my God.
That's so funny, Victoria, that you said that.
And then, so I told my friend, obviously, because I had to ask his permission.
And he told his boss, who's also a friend of ours, about the engagement,
and make sure it was okay because, you know, we don't want to steal the thunder of the opening of their showroom.
And, you know, it was a beautiful place.
It's out of penthouse.
You know, a band there in champagne and hors d'oeuvres.
and but but my friend with his big mouth went ahead and told a lot of people he told everyone so
oh my god so victoria so pick it back up victoria you walk in everyone's acting weird and you
still don't know what's going on of course of course not but everyone acts so weird and like
people we see almost every night so it's like that night was like so weird feeling
for me don't even talk to me it's like so yeah so weird so weird
at the end and I was so hungry and I told him we should go we should leave and
Adam said no let's wait till the end and so I was so hungry so angry so angry and at the end
so he proposed me and it was like stay on his knee like it was so beautiful oh my god in front
of everybody yeah yeah so and you had and besides the fact that everyone was acting so
you had no idea.
Had you guys talked about this at all?
Like,
was it something that you wanted him to do?
Yeah, okay.
So she put,
it wasn't,
what didn't come from me,
okay,
but she did say,
I want a ring,
you know,
and in our relationship,
because we do deal,
you know,
mostly,
most of our,
you know,
sexual experiences
outside of our own relationship
are more often with women
than with couples or men.
So,
you know,
it just,
the way it works out and that's where the energy is.
But she really wanted that to just make sure that other people knew what her staz was.
So there was no confusion.
So that was really the basis of the idea.
So she told me, and of course, I acted stupid, you know, and kept on saying, yeah, we'll do it someday.
I mean, I want to put it wrong.
So it wasn't hard to, I mean, it was hard, rather, to engineer because I had to go looking for a ring and, you know, I had to keep on making excuses where am I going?
I had to be my friend to go with the jewelers and and you know it took it took a while to get everything done and I certainly
You know get the saying yeah yeah someday one day we'll get engaged you know
Yeah, so I try to put it off the scent a little bit
Yeah, it's also like kind of when we deal with women
This girl so it's like kind of competition for example
You know they're trying to
Put like themselves in a wrong position that's why it's like cause me like I want to I want to
feel that I'm the queen
and I want to put the ring on my finger
so it's like kind of like
just one of the reason.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And let me ask you this.
After you had it, was that
the experience that you've had ever since?
Do you feel like there is a shift
even when you have those other girls around that
they fucking know because of that ring?
Yeah.
Yeah. Well, I think
people who are generally
very happy for us.
Yeah. And you could feel their joy
friends of us sent flowers.
Yeah, but also I said some people change and some people like some goals got jealous.
And it's like I see the people act so different after that.
You know, like from people who I didn't expect.
Oh, interesting.
They're very like sincere and genuine happy for me for us.
Like, but some people are close friends.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like, and they can't like hide it.
It's like that's a crazy part.
Wow.
that really helped you weed out who was maybe having secret alternative, you know, maybe different
motives than you even knew. But, you know, I do know, because when I was talking to Adam, I'm like,
listen, I'll only have you on for 15 minutes. You'll tell me the story about getting engaged. And then
you'll end on a hot story. He's like, oh, I have a hot story of that same night that we got engaged.
So Victoria, because you have the hot accent, why don't you tell everybody what happened after you got
that ring? Because I know you guys had an experience that evening, that same evening.
Yeah, I mean, it was nothing like special, it's like one of the usual nights
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but whatever, because you have so many
So it's, we just got home with a two, we came with one girl
Yeah, we went to a club and then this girl texts and we knew she would be down and she
She came with us
Yeah, and then after maybe one, two hours, I was a girl text
But from nowhere, so we never like, you know, with her before she just texts like five
for him in the morning.
She said, like, I want to join you guys.
I was like, okay.
But wait a second.
Were you ready with the other girl?
Because it's 5 o'clock in the morning.
Are you still out?
Yeah, we're still at our place.
Yeah.
Okay.
We got home.
We weren't there.
Maybe an hour.
We're home.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then.
And then.
We got with that girl.
So, and other girl taxed after a few hours.
Right.
And she came.
And we had like, yeah.
Yeah.
So it was a foursome.
before. So, yeah.
And so you did,
now when you guys hook up, right?
Victoria, you're with the women.
Dr. Guy, you're with the women.
It's a free for all, right?
There's no rules of regulation,
just in case anyone hasn't heard your episodes before.
I mean, we have some boundaries,
but like it's not,
nothing like special.
So when we're free in sex,
everything was free,
but then like there's a boundary,
so everyone have to leave and go home.
It's something to stop to get these girls that go home.
We're calling Uber's really.
Yeah, so Foti's over.
The lights on, do the music off, okay, you know, it's time to go.
But how much, so how long does a foursome?
I mean, you have two girls over.
One you had already been with for an hour.
The other one shows up.
They fooled around, too.
I mean, how long does this whole escapade for some go on for?
I mean, they want to stay, like, for 24 hours here.
us it's hard to, but usually
for us it's a couple hours
and we're done. Yeah, the actual
sex part, it's probably
an hour. Yeah,
yeah, then there's little breaks and
you know, you do a second round, you know,
so we switch it up a little, we change
it, you know, so we'll start in the kitchen, then we'll go
over to the couch or ends up
some place than else, you know, that kind of thing.
So, yeah, I'd say it's like a
cycle, basically, that
happens, you know, and
everyone's
taking turns.
Yeah.
And some girls are more open to other girls.
Some are not is so open.
You know, so sometimes, you know, it's more concentrated on one or other person, you know.
And usually I end up with Victoria last.
That's always, that's usually the sequence.
Oh, interesting.
One girl, another girl, then, yeah, she gets like the big finish.
And now you guys are traveling.
You travel all the time.
You're always on a plane going someplace else.
you're going to Turkey today, do you play everywhere where you go?
And how do you meet couples?
Is it just because you're out at the clubs and everyone's drinking and you meet people?
Or like, you know, how do you hook up when you're traveling in different places?
I mean, when we travel, we're not so focused on it.
Okay.
So we just kind of focus on the environment and food and culture.
So it's like more about this.
So if it's happening, it's happened.
Sometimes it's happening.
You know, we put off a very sexual energy.
I think people sense it
and for some reason
you know
we were a funny story
we're in a bar
you know
like a month ago
at an art
and an art
show
and there
there was a couple there
and Victoria was talking to the wife
and what did she ask
she asked you some question
yeah she asked me like
I asked her
what does she do
and she asked me
what do I do
I do I said like
I have a
what did I say
had a swimwear.
I said the swimwear company.
And she said, oh, they're swingers too.
Oh my God, hilarious.
I was like, oh, actually, we had swingers too, but also I have a swingwear company.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, you go ahead.
No, that's hilarious that she was, you know, she couldn't wait for you to say that.
That was like definitely a projection.
Yeah, it was like, yeah, it was fine.
yeah so you know
the energy kind of drives
and they say like we were just in
Puerto Rico we were staying in a very quiet
very quiet yeah
it depends on the situation
like we're in Puerto Rico
was very quiet a lot of families
kids everywhere
yeah there was no
there was no sexual
experiences yeah
in Miami we went a couple by the pool
one day and just yeah
sexy couple you know so
so you know it happens
I mean it's easier
when we're in our hometown
where where where we're
We know people where we're out, you know, where the clubs are like a couple blocks from our house and we, you know, we got to.
Swink Hotel in Palm Springs.
Oh, yeah, we went to a swinger, yeah, we went to the Swingers Hotel in Palm Springs.
That was an interesting experience.
What happened?
Let's end with that.
What happened there?
No, no, it's just.
Everyone naked.
Like, no.
Like, but the crowd is like weird.
So it's not our crowd, but it was interesting experience because it was.
So boy in the deserts, there's no fires, no, like, sexy couples and sexy people.
It's like kind of, yeah, we just try to experience that.
It's like we came to hotel.
It's everyone naked drinking.
It's like it's normal, like normal hotel, but everyone's going around naked.
Yeah, I mean, people are mostly older couples.
Not sexy couples.
It wasn't, yeah, we came with a friend, another girl of ours who we had sex with.
Yeah.
So it was like the three of us and people were asking us if we were a triad, you know,
You're asking a lot of questions.
We were all in a pool together naked.
Everyone was just chatting it up.
And so it was interesting experience.
I mean, you know, we were only in there for a couple hours, and it was super hot.
It was about 110 degrees or something like outside.
So you weren't even in the movie.
You're like, you're just trying to stay cool, you know.
So, you know, nothing really happened there.
But, you know, one day we'll go back there too.
I'm sure, you know, you know, if you stay later into the evening, it'll be a little more spicier, you know.
Yeah.
But it depends on the crowd.
Yeah, that's the thing. So sometimes you can go and you get nothing out of it in terms of just, you know, just the experience just to be there. But it was very freeing to see people so open. You know, everyone in the whole hotel is on the same page. So it's actually very interesting. But they're all ages.
You know, forward towards the retired center. Let's put it that way. Well, that's kind of like Palm Springs in general, isn't it? It's a little bit skews older just across the board, no?
I think it's famous for swingers
Yeah
Yeah
Yeah
Yeah there's an open
Mind in this
I think there's one other place there
There's also similar
It's just you know
I mean you find that if you go to real swing clubs
You know
Older couples have been married for a long time
You know
More comfortable with each other
Tend to gravitate towards that
You know
It's a younger couple
sexy
You know, there is still very idealistic very much in that, you know, original sort of societal ideal of monogamy and stuff like that.
So usually when you see a younger couple at like a swing club or a swing party, they usually stay in.
They're just more observing.
They're staying by themselves.
You know, it's it's hard for people to get to that point.
They may be attracted to it and dabble in it and want to explore it, but to actually be fully on.
you know, it takes a while.
So, I mean, I think that's maybe why,
but you'll see most places,
it'll be about, you know, say, 25% young people
and 75% older people.
And, you know, we're not necessarily,
we don't want an older couple.
I mean, if they're super sexy and it's the right fit, right energy,
not saying never, never, never.
You know, it depends on the moment,
but in general, that's not, you know.
But you're with middle-aged couple, so.
Yeah, or older.
Or older.
Or all the, but we were, like,
Miami was like, middle age, so, but they were hot.
Yeah, yeah, they're in the 40s, but they're both very sexy, sexy couple.
So once in a while, we get lucky.
Never young couple.
Yeah, never really young, that we've never, ever, ever, ever seen.
Yeah, that's interesting.
So, Victoria, why don't you give a shout out to your swimmer line?
I have a lot of females that listen, and for the guys that listen, like,
you want your girl to be in a super hot bathing suit.
You have to check out your bathing suits.
because they are super hot.
Why don't you talk about your company so people could go and, you know, I don't know if you have any
discounts or anything or like a specials running right now.
Yeah, I have all the time some specials so you can check on my website.
So now it's 20% off actually.
How much?
How much?
20% off.
20% off.
Okay, cool.
Yeah.
For all stores.
So you can put a code.
code on a website.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
It's a lot of new now items.
It's a lot of every day I got a new item to collection.
So it's always some hot pieces coming.
Undressed.
It's UndressedBoutique.com.
Right.
Undressed boutique.com.
I will put a link in the description.
You have, you don't just have bathing suits, right?
You have bathing suits.
You have cover-ups, correct?
Yeah.
It's a beachwear and swimwear.
So it's a cover-ups.
beach jump suites like skirts dresses it's everything yeah and they could find yeah and they could find undressed
boutique as well on instagram and see a lot of those girls in those pictures are your friends correct so
these are people that maybe yeah yeah so i mean lucky lou should go check it out because you're
probably going to see a lot of the people that they have hooked up with a lot of sexy girls in there
wearing wearing her hot bikini me and my friends yeah yeah yeah you're always
You might be able to figure out which one is Victoria.
We're not going to say because this is strictly anonymous, but you need to.
Yeah, you need to go check it out.
Buy her bikinis.
If your females, go check it out.
If you're a guy, buy it for your girl.
It's undressed boutique.com.
You guys have a great time in Turkey.
I'm very jealous that you guys are going.
And I will put a description to your shop in.
I'll put a link to your shop in the description.
so hopefully I could get you some business.
Thanks so much for your update.
Congratulations again, even though I knew for a while.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Bye, you guys.
Bye.
Thank you.
Have a good time.
You too.
Bye.
Hey, Angel.
Welcome back to the strictly anonymous.
I know.
Happy almost New Year's for sure.
Just like one or two more days.
Listen, you, I emailed all my guests that called
in 2021 asking for updates.
And when you send me back your email with shit,
all the stuff that went down,
I was like, oh my God.
There were so much in your email.
I hope you remember it all because it did include gangbings
and golden showers and swingers clubs and threasons that didn't happen
and another woman who's Mormon and tears and a fucking cliffhanger on top of it all,
which I'm still curious about.
And even more has happened since I emailed you that.
Okay.
Well, you do your thing, Angel.
And I'm just going to say where we left off, okay?
You are a woman who has been married for a very long time.
You and your husband do have an open-ish relationship.
You play totally separate.
You have another guy on the side.
And what I remember where we left off was that this guy had recently met another woman
who you know about.
She's the Mormon other woman, correct?
And that was kind of boring.
bothering you. That's where we left off and that was a new thing. So why don't you pick up
your story and get to all these bullets that you included in there? Okay. Where we left off
with you is that I had found out that he had an ongoing long distance relationship with this
Mormon woman who's younger than me and that she was more all BDSM and he had made her a sub and
all that. So anyway, I had learned that. And,
I was really having a hard time because of the two sub-issues.
And, you know, I'd really learn, like, in the morning, I'm sending him a kneeling picture,
and he's getting another kneeling picture.
And there was a lot of things, I think, because that was, well,
the one thing that I felt like was exclusive to us or what I thought.
And I tried tempering it.
Well, here's a thing, Kathy, I should have listened to you.
Maybe if I would have listened to you.
When you said, you don't need to know, you know, that, you know.
just go ahead and try the fuck or whatever.
I mean, I maybe should have, like, listened more to that,
but of course, I couldn't do that.
So what happened is not too long after I gave the podcast,
he invited me on another work trip.
And that's where I was, lo and behold, wanting to find out,
okay, what is really going on without relationship?
And the reason that it bothered me to understand BDSM,
I knew that they were playing in a lot harder world.
He had also divulged to me that she was coming back out
to the state that we live,
and that date, which coincidentally was the week that I took this little trip with him,
the week out, she was coming the following week.
And so I meet with him, you know, I meet him and we go to dinner.
We actually fly together.
And at dinner now I'm like, I want to know more about what is going on with this other relationship.
And I'm trying to add up all this in their head, but it tells me about her husband kind of being like,
It's either a cook or a hot wife situation, that they had sent videos and that she had been out twice for several days,
and that she was more into the heavier BDSM, and I was not, and I was more of a girlfriend type.
He said that she ended up getting like a boob job and a tummy tag.
I guess that was a game changer for him, and they started seeing each other long distance.
And one of the things that he talked about as we were sitting there, we had had threesomes,
I'm a little bi, I would say situationally by.
And he really loved those.
And I said, well, I said before you know, you're going to be doing it with her.
And he says, well, no, you know, we're maybe working on a gang bang.
And I'm like, for some matches, I don't want to compete with this, but I can't do a gang bang.
I mean, that's just something I don't think I'm wired to do.
And he said, well, I don't want you to do that.
But, you know, the way sometimes my mind works, well, you know, if he's out doing that, I started going out with my friends.
And then I go to one of my favorite bars, and I'm not supposed to be playing at this bar based on me and my husband's roles.
So it's probably our one and only role.
Right.
That's why I said that in the beginning about not being able to play, because I remember that in the email that we were at this bar.
And for some reason, so that's where you're just not allowed to play at that bar, I guess, because he goes there a lot or something maybe.
Yeah, we go there together.
We go there together.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there was a couple there that I'd met before, and I walk in and she's like in her 30s,
And like, she's all over me and we're drinking and this and that.
And they invite me to a threesome.
And her and I go into the bathroom and we're making out in the bathroom.
And she says to me, just promise me you won't have sex with him.
And I'm like, I don't want to have sex with him.
I want to be with you.
But we don't have to do this.
And I could tell what she was doing is what I had done is she was trying to get his attention
because the guy had told me he was not all that into her.
And she was using me as a pawn to try to.
And so I tap out and say, hey, we don't need to do this.
I almost did it.
But we didn't.
And I go home the next morning.
I'm like, what the fuck have I made of doing?
First of all, anybody, people know me.
This is a really prominent town.
Anybody could have saw her and I in that bathroom.
Like, I'm out of control.
I'm out of control.
So the next day, he messages me, D, and I basically tell him that I can't do this anymore.
Like, I'm out.
like I'm too emotionally and hooked up on this.
I cannot do this anymore.
I'm out.
It's obvious that this is going down.
You can't handle it.
He's, you know, telling you things to try to get you to handle it, but it's not working
for you.
And I do know that eventually there is some kind of stalking that happened.
So is that, I'm assuming, that's on your end.
I mean, does she ever find out about you this girl?
Of course it's on it.
No, of course it's on them.
So he ends up.
bottom line breaking up with her and i do believe he broke up with her because of how i stalked and what i
saw and this is what i did so he breaks up with her and he tells me it's over i'm not going to get
any emotional whatever is so i i put two and two together and i figure out kathy who she is and i was
fucking floored why i was floored is this the cliffhanger because he well okay first of all
his wife is beautiful she's the counter of me she's black
I'm white, she's beautiful.
Yeah, I remember that.
Yeah.
When he said this girl was like, yeah, no.
When he said this woman was, and I don't, I'm really women positive, so I don't like to shame
anybody or anything like that.
But bottom line, she looked like a guy.
I mean, and when you said to me about, well, you need to play with her, I guarantee you
I didn't play.
I play with really beautiful women.
I love beautiful women.
Okay, I'm sorry.
You know, the girls I play with are beautiful.
Like I don't know if I would have an attraction.
Like if I wanted, I know this is weird, but if I want to be with a man, I would be with a man.
If I want to be with a woman, I want to be with a woman.
Right.
She was a manly, she was like a more manly looking.
Well, he did say she's kind of a tomboyish, right?
Is that what he used?
Yeah.
She didn't, yeah, like he had to teach her how to wear makeup and all that jazz.
So anyway, we get started about two weeks later.
I'm at my condo in Florida.
And when he broke up with her, he said to me, okay, you have to step up to really being a sub.
And I said, okay, he was going to put things together.
Next thing I know is I get this video from him getting a blowdrop from some girl.
And that when I get home, we're all going to have a threesome and her boyfriend's a cook.
And he's been talking to her for a year.
And I'm like, okay.
Well, I get home, long story short, this girl backs out.
is not, if she was ever coming over.
I still don't know that for sure, but she backs out.
Well, from this point now, he is working a lot, and I am left hanging a lot and feeling lonely
and this and that, and this is where it now I get into crazy zone.
So I break another, I'm not seeing a whole lot of him, and I decide that I meet somebody.
and I have not had sex with any other man in almost two years.
And so I meet somebody and I think this was my revenge buck.
But I meet him and he's staying at, has a big penthouse.
But he's real drunk and the equipment doesn't work.
And I'm like, what the fact am I in here for?
And I roll out and go home.
I'm like, okay, I just, I shouldn't be doing this.
Okay, another week later in the bar that I'm not supposed to be playing with.
with my husband. I meet this guy and he's single and he's all like into me and I start going out
on dates, a date. And my husband finds out and my husband almost threatens to divorce me if I
continue that relationship. But I did sleep with that man. And then I stopped it. So now I've had,
now I've just literally a month, you know, two people right away. I slept with. So if I find out,
that there's this swingers party and I mentioned this to D over Halloween and we he's able to go
and so this is what happens at the swingers party that takes over a third party floor so we go
up there and it's pretty crazy and before you know it's somebody's like hey you know I want
someone with a big dick to you know so I can give a blow job too and so I just look at and say
that's you because no one would step up and
you know, he's getting a blowjob and everyone's watching.
Before you know it, I'm like a chick magnet and I'm kissing a bunch of girls and this and that.
And we end up going into one of the rooms and him and I start fucking on the bed and people are watching.
And before you know it, somebody wants to give him a blowjob and pulls him away.
And so he's getting another blowjob.
And the girl that I was kissing, she comes in with a big strap on.
and her and I start going at it and then there's another girl.
So on the bed for me and two other girls, I would say it's like a big girl orgy,
which was a lot of fun.
I was drunk, but it was a lot of fun.
And he ends up fucking somebody.
So he gets like three or four blow jobs for different people.
And we kind of seem like we're like the show or something because there was a lot going on in this room.
and he starts fucking this other woman.
Then it stops and then he comes back to me.
And then another woman once realizes maybe he's a dom
and he wants to be whipped with his belt.
And then I want that because I think it hit a nerve because of what I wouldn't do.
But we end up leaving after that.
Like he holds it all together and then we go back.
up to our room after we've played with all these people and we finished fucking.
From that point on, things again get a little crazy.
But wait, back to the Strip, the Swingers Club.
Like, you're having sex to all these women.
He's fucking another girl.
He's blowing someone.
Like, you're okay with all that, right?
I am.
It was just the other woman bothered you because there was an emotional attachment, correct?
That's right.
Right.
That's right.
Yeah.
And I think also.
So this is the problem with that situation with him
is he wasn't up front with you straight from the beginning with her.
You kind of found out, correct?
Correct.
Right.
So it's like when you start shit like that,
like I think if he would have come to you,
because you guys, listen, here you are this woman,
you're married, you have an open relationship with your husband.
You know, you're not trying to lock this guy down or anything.
You're down to fuck other people in front of him.
He sends you pictures of him getting blow jobs from people.
people and you're cool with it all. Where he went wrong is keeping that situation a secret from you.
I really feel like if he told you straight up in the beginning about it and always was honest about
it with you, you would have been able to deal with it totally fine. It was that it was the not knowing
and not knowing whether you could trust him about it because he wasn't forthright about it from
the get-go. And then so then you have to question everything. Well, you're in my head.
Yeah.
You are in my head because even though, okay, so the week, that Halloween weekend that I spent
with him and we did that.
The other thing, like now he's been like trying to make it up or trying to bond with me.
So that's where the, that's where the pee play comes in.
So he takes me into the shower.
I'm giving him a blowjob.
It was agreed to.
I knew this was probably going to go down.
and that's where he pease on me.
He's marking his territory.
It's more symbolic.
It's less sexual.
I mean, afterwards, we had some really, really hot sex in terms of that.
But he's trying to create that bond that we were struggling to keep because of everything
that happened.
But I would not, I think you're right.
If he would have told me, and I told him this, if you would have just told me you had
this long distance thing, I think I would have been okay.
But because it was so hidden, because now,
I'm questioning every, I'm just questioning all the time what he's doing.
Of course.
You know, if they're another person or he's, you know, I mean, because just to be honest,
honest about what is going on, you know, I just want the damn truth.
In this kind of situation where it could go gray, meaning like where are the lines,
what's fucking going on here, you know, it could go in that direction very easily if there
is not open communication. And that's where he loses out. All those things could exist. Yeah, he cares about
you and he loves you and all those things are real with you, but he has this other stuff going on.
Why he didn't tell you, why he felt the need not to. Who the fuck knows? I know people like that.
It's just his business and he wanted to keep that to himself and that's how he rolls. But in this
situation, it doesn't work and it wouldn't work with anybody. It's very hard to,
keep that kind of relationship going with somebody that isn't being completely honest?
Well, this is where I guess the cliffhanger is now.
We have agreed after the first year to sit down in person and have a conversation.
I've agreed to that.
I can't guarantee that I'm going to stay or leave or whatever,
but I've decided that some of the bullshit that's in my head that I've hid from him
that I'm going to tell.
either he can like it or not and, you know, just see where that is.
But I think some of the stuff that we were supposed to do together, that was a whole other thing.
Like, I was, again, putting things together.
And I did that with my husband.
And I'm not going to do that.
I mean, it has to be, you know, if a man wants to be involved with me, I mean, it has to be more of a give and take for sure.
Right.
But you have to understand that.
You guys are both married.
You have other people.
open relationship, you're involved in another open relationship.
It seems like you're putting, you know, you want more of a traditional kind of relationship.
This is where it gets really blurry and really confusing and really conflicting and it could
become hurtful and feel abusive, you know, but who's, you know, people would say and you're
going to see it on YouTube, like, what the fuck does she expect?
Like this isn't your husband.
This is a guy you're fucking, while you have a husband, he's got a wife.
like you guys are you're fucking other people too you know there's a lot of great areas and therein lies the
problem i don't know that you're ever going to be able to wrap your head around this one and it's just
going to get a mat it's just going to get to the point where when have you had enough of torturing yourself
that's what it's going to come down to because he doesn't matter what you say to this guy he's
it's not going to change.
He just wants you back.
He wants back the situation the way that it was because you've given it to him before and
because you've agreed to see him.
He believes there's a chance he could make that happen and he probably will.
But what's how you're going to feel three months from now?
I don't know.
You know, hopefully you could build back that trust.
I don't know that that's necessarily going to happen.
And I think eventually the learning lesson for you.
this is when do you say, hey, you know what? I think more highly of myself than I do of this situation
and I'm going to take myself out of it. Like when do I say that I am enough? If you were enough,
you would leave, if you really believed you were enough, you wouldn't, you would walk away from
this situation. I was just going to say that, I mean, I just, it's back to, I think, love or not,
or feeling not love for so many years, I think makes you do some crazy things and probably not
think as rational on some issues as I should have.
Yeah, but you're going from one I don't feel loved to another.
I don't feel loved.
And that's wrong.
That's where I was saying.
That's why he kind of tapped out and said I can't keep doing that.
But you're going to go back there because he's saying he loves you.
But that's the story that you have to change.
And you will and maybe he's going to be the catalyst to help you.
And that will be a wonderful thing.
Who knows?
Who knows?
All I know is I would never get.
get married again because I don't pick them well.
You've been married.
You're still married, okay?
Just keep working it out and having fun.
I know.
Thank you so much for calling.
I'll give a little update on my husband.
I'll give you a little update for anybody who, okay.
So he is no longer seeing the one girl that he really, really liked because she now
was really escorting one, a lot of many.
He is now for the first time kind of involved in what I would consider a real relationship.
and I'm real happy for him.
He's just trying to keep it, you know, low-key
because obviously he doesn't want to change his situation.
So we are more like brother and sister.
We fight like brother and sister,
but it is what it is in terms of our marriage
and we're not getting divorced.
Well, that's good because that's where you want to keep that relationship.
And I think that that works for both of you,
and that's a positive thing.
I just think you've transferred your issues over to somebody else.
Well, I think deep down I would have preferred in my life to have a very solid, if there is one out there,
traditional relationship, with the exception that I could see myself in a more traditional relationship,
but I would probably swing.
I would, I like that aspect with somebody.
Yeah.
And that might happen for you.
Like, seriously, that might happen for you.
Eventually, at some point, you might meet somebody that you do fall in love with and you're like,
you know what, I want to have a commitment over here now.
And I'm done with this transactional relationship with my husband that I've been for so long.
And maybe you agree to part ways.
You know, that doesn't, you know, you're still alive.
Like, as long as we're alive, like, we could change and grow and do different things.
Who knows?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know?
So keep doing what you're doing.
Keep me posted.
Good luck with everything.
And thank you so much for calling in with your update.
You're welcome.
Thanks, Angel.
Thank you so much.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.
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